>broooo watch witch hat atelier it's so gooooood bro>the backgrounds are so painterly and comfy bro>c'mooon bro, i know you liked frieren>watch witch hat atelier, the magic system is so good>watches the show>ends on a exam arc fight cliffhanger
yeah it was painfully middle
I've literally never heard of anyone talking about hat hat hatelier except here and we don't seem to like it
>>289384001We just ended our 2nd/3rd storytime.
>>289384238that's just a bot for some filipinos who got geo blocked out of a real manga piracy site tho
From what i can tell it is for girls.I remember way back when on /a/ People were hyping it up as the next dungeon meshi. This was way before either had an anime 2016ish.I read the first dozen chapters kinda forgot about it. Tried recently watching the first couple episodes and I just feel like it is for girls. If you are a guy and you aren't really mentally there. I would recommend against watching it. We don't need any more loony troons because of this girls anime. Please for me, your uncle paulie, don't watch it. You aren't the target audience. The girls aren't even cute.
>>289383972No one posting in good faith uses "bro," bro.
>>289383972Good. Now read the manga like you're supposed to, coward.
>>289384288It's in a seinen magazine. That being said I've largely lost interest in it. Though I also read a lot of shoujo manga so I'm still in the category of people you don't want I guess.
>>289384329i'm just shitposting. i liked the show, but the characters are a bit.. i'm not sure what a good word for it would be. childishly schizo, i guess. main girl is also a bit too "chosen one" in a ya novel sort of way
>>289384264Why present such a cope?
>>289384366She's a 1 in a million pull in the Witch Gacha game. Eyeball Man handed out tons of those booklets. Coco is the one that isn't dead or lobotomized.
>>289384356Seinen just means they show murder and risque light erotica scenes. Some stuff is designed for girls in mind and some stuff is designed for boys. All im saying is that this is a show intended for women girls and it could be destructive to guys who are mentally unstable.
>>289384288> i can tell it is for girlsWe’re all little girls here so what’s the issue?
>>289384687Go watch precure then.
>>289384288What is a series for men?
>>289384471>Seinen just means they show murder and risque light erotica scenes. Some stuff is designed for girls in mind and some stuff is designed for boys.Ignorant people are always the ones that state their opinions the most confidently.
Author is a westaboo woketard libshit troonlover
>start cartoon>hear British accent>close cartoonsimple as
>>289384795>Ignorant people are always the ones that state their opinions the most confidently.Welcome to Earth, anon. Enjoy your stay.
>>289384799I didn't realize she was so based.
>>289384781Fairy Tail
>>289384799>buzzword buzzword buzzwordLearn new words or you’ll keep making holes in your brain.
I want to protect Coco’s smile and also fug Agott
I watch it for the groomkino
wasn't coco the tranny that pico and chico had a threesome with?
>>289384366With a bit of good reason.Besides she learns about how the world works soon enough anyways.
>>289385390I guess you would know, huh anon?
>>289385416if you haven't seen all three entries in the pico saga then you're not a true /a/non
>>289385430I streamed Azumanga Daioh and all of EVA for /a/nons back 8 years ago I say that makes up for it.
>>289385451>streamedyou were never one of us
>>289383972Nobody actually watched this. Who are you trying to fool?
>>289385477Streamed it FOR people moron, not watching fucking shitass streamsite anime.We have watch parties all the fucking time.
>>289385507Don’t you have the other thread to continue to ruin, bot?
>>289385593yes the fake-/a/non squatters have their gay orgies all the time and nobody is there to tell them that the real /a/nons left 10 years ago
>>289385666>muh oldfags
>>289384799you can just say woman, anon
>>289385698falling back on that when you thought your were the oldfags before the real ones started coming back because Frieren is just that good
>>289384288>From what i can tell it is for girls.It's a seinen manga, which means it's for adult men.
very good animation and a good magic system but the author can't write for shit so it's dead on arrival
>>289384288I watched all of Inuyasha, Sailor Moon and Hamtaro before finding out that I wasn't the target audience.
>>289386113If you enjoyed it, anon, you were in the target audience.
>>289386113the difference is that all of those were good
>>289383972loco for coco's cocosyeah the cliffhanger hurts. either read the manga or wait
Do you feel alone if you do not have active shitposting thread on the catalog?
>>289385998it certainly doesn't read that waythe characters are too young and act that way. i don't say that as a dig against lolicons, i mean the characters act like they are emotionally stunted
>>289385346She is too precious >>289386113You were the audience.
>>289383972>cour 1 of a split-cour anime ending on a cliffhanger is bad somehow???
>>289387951Its only a split cour if you don't have to wait several years for the second one.
>>289383972I'd watch if not for Aggot being such an angry faggot.She's everything wrong with informal education. Explain nothing and being a cbt when you made clueless mistake
>>289387969Have you seen the trailer for the next part? They've got a decent chunk done already. Now I'm sure it'll be a longer gap than they intended, hence the re-branding as season 2 instead of split-cour due to production issues, but it probably won't be that bad (I hope)
>>289383972It's simply too plain for my taste, 4 anime girls with 4 textbook anime girl personalities doing mundane magic
>>289384238>weA thread with 4 troons samefagging ad nauseam
>>289383972Mid as cgdctBad as fantasyAnd absolute dogshit as a work of art
>>289384799This but unironically
>>289383972The only good thing about the manga is the detailed art style, the anime do its best to do that with the animation but regardless of that you start to see how bare and basic the story is. Definitely a solid 6 though, the brimmed hats let me down further in the story though.
>>289383972Is that a fucking unironic gojo clone?
>>289388526>Witch Hat Atelier is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Kamome Shirahama. It has been serialized in Kodansha's seinen manga magazine Morning Twosince July 2016>Jujutsu Kaisen 0 is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Gege Akutami. The manga, which was originally titled Tokyo Metropolitan Curse Technical School, was serialized in Shueisha's magazine Jump Giga from April to July 2017. Nope. Gojo is an unironic Qifrey clone.
>>289383972It's a story about little witches learning magic.Students get tested.What did you expect?
>>289387979She's only like that at the beginning. She grows a lot.
>>289383972Nobody expected the cliffhanger my gf got me to watch it because she reads it and she was pissed when it ended there, feels like second season bait but that never ends well
>>289389810They planned it as two cour but split them because they wanted more time, they didn't plan for the mean cliffhanger all along.
>>289389051We have prototype Gojo which was different and had a differnet pwoerset, but still looked like Gojo.Hard to tell when the characters were first put in drafts, and it helps nothing that it cannto be a copy if your'e not aware fo hte original.
>>289384805>watching in dub
>>289383972It sucked, and after flipping through vol 1 I can say that the art is not even good, which is the no. 1 thing the series is praised for. It has a similar uncanny valley feel and bad anatomy like western comics. Also it was fun getting gaslit by some trolling fag who called me a retard for comparing it to HP, then the exam arc begins and there's an obvious clone of fucking Severus Snape.
>>289387993>but it probably won't be that badMy ass
>>289390470WHA does not have any bad anatomy.
>>289390470That art point just proves you're retarded. WHA has problems, but art is certainly not one of them. Saying it has bad anatomy is even more nonsensical lmao, you've never read an anatomy book
>>289383972You know it's bad because it's a show about a grown man surrounded by cute little girls and /a/nons still hate it.
>>289384366>i'm not sure what a good word for it would be
>>289387993October 2027 so that it airs together with Frieren and Dungeon Meshi.
>>289389623Oh they learn about magic alrightWhat it can do. What it can’t do.What it supposedly SHOULDN’T DO.And most importantly; who are and are not allowed to learn it.
>>289389823>>289390943Think of it as how Dandadan split its cours up.It didn’t take dandadan long for season 2 to come out.
>>289391141Truly the fantasy trifecta will launch together.
>>289391366Suffering builds character.
>>289384781Cardcaptor Sakura
>>289390971You've never seen a human being you faceblind retard.
>>289383972>exam arc fightKek why is it always like this with shonenshit
>>289391460Based.
>>289391466Should be easy to post some then since you can find it so easily by skimming vol. 1
>>289391460Glutton
>>289385713Japanese women havent all been infected by communism like western women have
>>289391600For example, humans are not supposed to have rat teeth. Their facial bone structure is also not supposed to morph at a drop of a hat. Also they are fucking ugly, like you. No one wants to look at that crap.
>>289391466Post whatever you saw as a "mistake" please, I want to laugh
>>289391648Anon, that's a shadow. Do you have autism?
>>289391648oh no he’s losing it
>>289391648Anon, in the future, please open with the most retarded statement.That way nobody will have to waste time engaging with you thinking you actually have something to say.
Which witch hat girl will fill out when they get older?I’m thinking Coco will have a good rack, Richeh will remain flat, agott will have b cups, and tetia will become a tiddy monster
>>289386113I can actually understand Hamtaro and Inuyasha for their own reasons, but how did you not immediately realize it for Saylor Moon from the visual impact alone?
>>289383972My main problem is that I have a hard time not viewing the coneheads as outright evil, while I'm sure the author wants it to feel more nuanced. Like, yeah, they help people and it's all largely peaceful outside the occasional brimhat shenanigans, but the social order is being maintained through dogmatic teachings and enforced with literal mindwipes done by roving spooks with no real due process. And the social order hinges on the illusion that wizards are a special class of people who deserve tax money for their living expenses, while the reality is that anyone can be a wizard and the current group of wizards are just a straight up cabal. When that level of propaganda is on the table, it makes it difficult to take even basic information at face value because nothing is trustworthy. That would be fine if this was supposed to be a conspiracy thriller, but it's not really.I feels like the author wants to present the third path beyond conehead vs brimhat as something visionary, but when you're dealing with a draconian cabal and schizophrenic anarchists, literally anything between the extremes is preferable.
Agott? More like FAGOTT
Which witch hat would you atelier?
>>289392187Coco has a lot to live up to.
>>289384781Candy Boy
>>289383972The anime itself is mid in terms of logic and world building, and honestly some isekai slop I've been watching would be better at that. But it's not bad and can be enjoyable if you turn off your brain a bit.Since the whole magic system runs on ink and lines, it would make perfect sense for them to make tools (such as modifiable stamps and compasses) or devices that automate the process instead, and if the populace wraps itself around that magic system, then the whole world building would rather look steampunk-esque with all the automated printers one would be carrying around and learning how to use instead of it being high fantasy, or at least it would look like they're always carrying something that looks like a Yugioh duel disk with them.But instead the show so far fails to show that logic, they never even mentioned usage of devices of such apart from their wand pen, of which they should've already shown even to beginner learners.
>>289393348>Since the whole magic system runs on ink and lines, it would make perfect sense for them to make tools (such as modifiable stamps and compasses) or devices that automate the process insteadThey don't want magic to be easy or automated. One of the main skills that you have to learn is how to draw essentially a circuit diagram without looking because they're so paranoid about muggles finding out about how magic works.
>>289388267>>289384799I think she's naive but the politicization of identities (identity politics) is a well thought out money making grift scheme heralded lobbyists in order to shove a person to a particular identity they construct (it doesn't matter which side of the political compass), so then you'd be forced to donate resources to them and vilify the opposing side and you being vilified by the opposing side lures you into an even darker road to the point you'd be willing to give them money or advertise their constructed identity movement for free so that they get money from other people who are willing to pay for their merchandise, donations, or whatever they're trying to sell you. This is a detrimental looping cycle that only seeks to exploit people's time and money.The author doesn't realize that, and often times these identity opinions likely came from someone paid to say so, or from botted accounts trying to propagandize and so to grift from identity movements. It also muddles the political sphere so that real issues are tucked away under the rug while people fight over identity politics, and this is the entire point of USAID / DEI / Anti-terrorism or whatever program governments want to label them as, but they all function the same way. And by "tucked", that doesn't necessarily mean hidden, but more like people don't give a shit about them when the opposing identity offends them more than facing the fact that they're being taken advantaged of or that their own rights are being violated. It's induced helplessness to control the population. This is why people don't protest about Epstein at all.
>>289393379Yes but the thing is that doesn't stop people from creating them. In fact we would already be expecting the witches from the resistance movement to be utilizing them to their fullest extent, but for some reason that's not shown at all. It's as if nobody is trying to mention the biggest elephant in the room here when it comes to just thinking logically. There are many risks that come with not automating the whole process, especially when they want to keep it hidden. If anything it would be easier to hide them when they're all automated. It's also a lot faster to do so. There are no downsides to it. I think it's either they're all just being extremely stupid or there's a big plot hole that needs a huge explanation.
>>289393461Between the two Brimhats we get in the show, their issue with the system is not that it isn't efficient enough. They don't exactly want to spread magic around so that literally everyone can learn it, either. The point of the whole system is to gatekeep magic to only those with high physical dexterity, a willingness to grind out lessons for years until you learn everything, and a desire to fall in line with the Pact and limit the spread of magic and prevent muggles from learning about it. The point isn't to cast as many spells as is possible, as conveniently as possible. If anything, the point is the opposite. To limit the accessibility of casting spells and to limit what subject matter you can cast spells to address.
>>289393348Part of the point is that the society is backwards and regressive because of the coneheads' strictures. Everything in the setting is the way it is because the coneheads prefer it that way and they mindrape anyone who strays too far from it. But I suspect the author is too sympathetic towards their concerns about safety and stability to fully hammer them.
>>289393562It's not that difficult to create stamps or tools like a metal compass to make perfectly straight lines and circles while still being able to hide everything as normal tools. Gatekeeping them based on writing dexterity is incredibly inefficient and possibly even dangerous, both from a safety standpoint and the risk of getting caught due to being too slow. And they know they're at a huge disadvantage being at war with the resistance who are using taboo magic that are possibly tens if not hundreds of times stronger, so it makes no logical sense to not even think about that. It's not even reasoned out why it automating it should not be allowed at all, and if anything someone should've already done that, not everyone is willing to waste their time writing everything. It's like what you're trying to argue is that a car exists and people know how to use them but nobody will use a car and everyone would rather just walk for hundreds of miles for no reason at all, apart from reasoning that they should strengthen their endurance or whatever flimsy excuse. It's completely illogical in many ways, especially when you include in the fact that they needed to hide it.
Oh hey the bot is here now
>>289393710There's a legend that a glassmaker and inventor once presented Emperor Tiberius with a new type of flexible glass he invented that would never shatter or break and could be moulded very easily. And then the Emperor killed him to protect the glassmaking industry. Now, this story didn't happen, but the values within it weren't considered wrong to the Romans that talked about it. The point was not to make an efficient world, but a stable one. If the glassmaking industry collapsed across the empire, that would be bad for stability. Therefore, flexible glass had to be suppressed.The Chinese Emperors sent out massive fleets of treasure ships to explore the known world, the biggest ships probably ever built at the time. And then one day they burnt them all or dismantled them for timber, because they decided that actually the outer world sucked. The idea that efficiency and improvement is the end goal of everything, is not a universal ideal. The Pointed Caps don't want an efficient system. They don't want spellcasting to be easy or for it to be easy to learn and implement. They want it to be restricted, very secretive, and very limited. Things like stamps or printing plates aren't desirable. They're the exact type of thing that Witches don't want to exist because they make magic too easy. The Brimcaps don't want magic to be as limited as it is, at least not for themselves. But they also don't really care to make it accessible, either. Their goal isn't to create a peasant revolt against the tyranny of the Pointed Caps.
>>289392187Tetia will become a dragon.
>>289393850That's false equivalence, a new type of flexible glass isn't the same as everyday tools like compasses and stamps that witches could easily use instead of a brush pen. And even the resistance movement would also utilize this especially if they want to push the boundaries of what is magically possible in that world. I could think of many ways stamps could have adjustable ring circles and modular parts, while also still being able to hide as a regular tool. But there's none of that. Even if they want to gatekeep the system, it's even much easier to gatekeep them using tools that takes time and effort to learn and master. This way it's far more efficient and safer than draping your robe over your arms hoping you finish everything before the wind or whatever interference makes you fuck it all up. If anything I'm not saying it's a complete replacement to the brush method, but rather it should exist as a popular concept found althroughout the show no matter which faction or skill level. Not everyone is that stupid to not expedite the whole process to make it easier and far more efficient for the witches. Even if the witches do fuck it up, there's always the memory wipe option either way, but there would be far less of that with tools. There are literally no downsides. It's illogical to make them not exist or at least every single character ignores them as a viable concept like they're all somehow brainwashed or just stupid.
>>289394029It takes more time to learn how to master freehand drafting compared to doing it with compasses, t-squares, templates, etc. You keep saying the words 'easily' and 'efficient' when the point is that things shouldn't be easy or efficient. It is very hard to draw without looking inside your cloak. That is why Witch training is shown to basically be >90% muscle memorization. This is not accidental. The entire society works in favor of this. The whole apprentice system, as opposed to just a standardized draftsmanship course, exists because of this need to freehand draw seals in awkward positions while under observation.
Wouldn't a stamp essentially be doing the same thing as one of those magic items they use that have the circle built in? The point of learning to draw by hand is that you can adjust it on the fly to suit the situation.
>>289394131No one in that story should have that opinion, because why would they be gatekeeping themselves? Not even pondering about it at all? Even if the "good witches" somehow were all brainwashed to just ignore and never use/develop them for some reason, the resistance faction shouldn't ignore something like that either way. It takes a lot of time and effort and practice to assemble tool parts to stamp the perfect magic circle one wants. And it makes a lot more logical sense than risking drawing magic circles by painstakingly drawing every single line, especially in a combat scenario. When it comes to life and death, that should be considered as well. Logically speaking, if the whole system were to be as intended, they would be learning how to construct "safe" methods with tools as opposed to learning to master freehanding their magic circles. Sure they can freehand them any time they want, but in a tight situation they should be able to use tools. It's just not exciting when the whole world building itself is broken because somehow you MUST expect things to be that way just because without properly following logical outcomes.
>>289394228A stamp is just one of the tools one could use and could take any form, even a ring could be a stamp. A compass tool would be really good for drawing perfect circles especially with adjustable rings. Heck even a literal piece of string used to draw a perfect circle would even be a valid usage of a tool. I dunno why none of that is being considered at all. The whole show just feels so stupid.
>>289394291The brimhats are often doing forbidden experimental shit. You don't have a stamp for a spell that's still in development. Stamps are for consistency, not innovation.Also you act like they don't have tools at all, but magic items are all over the place. Even for one-off spells, you've got stuff like Ollie's rings. But you have to know how to make the engravings and shit in the first place, right?
>>289394291The reasoning why they're gatekeeping themselves is a central part of the story. The origins of the Pact and the culture of self-limitation associated with it are hinted at but not revealed, as it is a central mystery of the setting. We're told why society is that way: when magic was easy, it nearly destroyed the world. We aren't told how it went from that, to the intentionally gatekept and inefficient system that exists. Magic is not meant to be easy at all. Hell, we see that they have compasses in the world, when the Witch Telegraph machine is shown. Its just not applied to spellcasting, because it isn't meant to be. Spellcasting is meant to be hard. When it comes to life and death, most witches stay away. Healing magic is totally forbidden, and even doing research on healing herbs can be considered sketchy if you are a practicing Witch. Let alone stuff like bonesetting or stitching up wounds. Combat is very rare because Brimhats don't pick fights randomly and are greatly outnumbered. They're never going to win the war of attrition. And as said, their opposition to the status quo does not mean that they want to teach magic to every muggle around. Most Witches will never have to cast a spell in anger.
>>289394351>even a ring could be a stamp
>>289394459They should be taught how to imprint symbols and improve symbols and even make tools for their benefit and to be able to hide magic far easier. This is the safest way even for a beginner to learn and master their skills. Why is the brush the only tool they could use? Does magic not work without a brush? Is that somehow special? Why can't they just replicate that with other tools? Stamps are good for consistency when they're trying to fire off magic especially in a public place, they don't have to worry as much about trying to hide them or messing it up. It literally benefits them in every possible way. It doesn't make sense for them to gatekeep themselves.>>289394476>>289394486You're comparing apples to oranges here, gatekeeping magic is different from gatekeeping tools to conduct magic. Of which the latter one is never explained. They are learning magic and it's easier for them to use standardized safe magic conducted through stamps and other tools for consistency and ease. If their worldbuilding were to be logical, magical tools would probably even be far more common than manually drawing magic themselves, even if it's all gatekept. And by tools it could even be disposable tools, think of it like arrows of a bow. Their world should've been steampunk-esque instead of whatever they're doing.
>>289394660Did you learn how to write using stamps?
>>289394738Non-sequitur. Do you write all of your posts instead of typing them? Why would you let beginners handle magic without properly being able to understand how to craft use standardized safe tools any way? If anything freehand should be banned for something that dangerous, with the good witches.
>>289394660If you want to make something hard, you don't make tools to make it easy. If I wanted to make it hard to program a computer, I'd repress text editors that provided error correction or normalized tabs vs spaces or provided autocomplete or auto-compiling or did things like color code different operators, etc. I wouldn't give you an IDE that provided all of that, and then tried to cut you off at the end and stop programs I don't like from being made. I'd make it very hard to program anything, in the first place. So only true believers learned.
>>289393850>Now, this story didn't happen,it was never assumed to have happened, it was an episode in the Satyricon
>>289394818That doesn't answer the question, why in the heck are they making it hard for themselves then? Computers these days exist and is standard because it's easy to use, but it's not easy to program. In a way, computers are gatekept by the code writers themselves because they are the only ones that lets you utilize their code, so it's like a standardized super-tool in the witches' case. Let's see you try using a computer without even the BIOS or OS code then? If safety is in the minds of the "good witches" they should be prioritizing creating tools as their standard and not freehand drawing. The whole world building itself is just wrong.
>>289394809Somebody has to learn how to draw at some point in order to craft the stamps in the first place. Now if you want to create two classes of wizard, people who can actually make spells (and therefore create the tools) and people who can only use tools, then that's a whole other thing. Even the coneheads don't go that far.
>>289394969Drawing magic is far easier and safer with the widespread utilization of tools among witches, and activating magic is far easier with both disposable and non-disposable tools. It makes no logical sense for them to gatekeep themselves and make everything far riskier and more dangerous to execute for no benefit at all.
>>289394961We know why it is meant to be hard. Because when it was easy, you had cities turning all their bums and lower classes into golden statues. You had gravity being reversed permanently. You had who knows what other crazy shit happening. The why is easy. The how, in how the Pact was actually implemented and enforced onto the world, is the hard part. Now we're getting into story theories. But I think it makes the most sense that a small number of 'enlightened' Witches gathered together and mindwiped the world of magic, and then reintroduced it in a very tightly controlled manner. With those that survived the mindwiping either becoming the first generation of Brims or being slowly hunted down like the healing Witches we learned about. With those groups not necessarily being exclusive.
>>289394961>That doesn't answer the question, why in the heck are they making it hard for themselves then?The coneheads are dogmatic and regressive. Maybe it'll be easier to digest if you think of them as essentially a religious group.
>>289395053They literally do use tools, like the link rings or the sylph shoes. And stamps don't help you learn how to draw circles better, so I don't see how they'd be much use for education.
>>289395121No. Again you're comparing apples to oranges. It's explained in the story that there are certain banned taboo magic they aren't allowed to use, but it never mentioned that they aren't allowed to use tools to make it easier for them to draw and activate their magic. Why aren't the resistance witches even using supertools then, if that would even further push the boundaries of magic? It doesn't make any logical sense both from the perspective of the good and the bad witches to just neglect the usage of tools or devices to improve their magic or make it safer. As what >>289395161 said, it's a lot easier to digest if you accept the fact that everyone is somehow just stupid or brainwashed, and also just turn off your brain and enjoy the ridiculousness of the show.>>289395293Those aren't proper tools, they are then "turned" magical items, not actual tools one could use to make drawing easier, safer and more efficient. Tools would allow a witch to print magic like it's nothing and solving the secrecy issues very quickly. It would also allow them to safeguard themselves against the resistance witches, who also for some reason refuse to use tools as well (or at least it wasn't shown, maybe they did).
>>289384288you're just too young to self insert as Qifrey
>stinky fujos ceaselessly flicking their beans on xitter claiming Qifrey and Olruggio as their ship of the decade, turning the smell of the whole website into that of a fishmonger market>watch the show>literally 0 fujobaitingWhy are rotten girls like this?
>>289395389Okay, let's reel it back a moment. When you talk about stamps, do you mean full complete spell circles that you're just stamping onto a page and then casting, or do you mean partially completed circles that you then insert additional elements into?
>>289395389Let me try and be very clear with you. Spellcasting is not meant to be easy and things like efficiency or increased safety are not the goals. The explicitly banned magic is paired with the implicit goal of making magic a hard thing to learn so that it doesn't spread easily. These facilitate one another.The point is that magic use is supposed to be heavily gatekept, even to those within the system. Your logic is based on the idea that more efficient is the same as more good. That is not the logic within the Witch society.
Witch Hat Atelier is like if the Amish had magic powers and regularly sent out the Amish Inquisition to mindwipe people whenever they heard about someone inventing steam power or growing a mustache. All in the name of pacifism and simple living, of course. And the only people who manage to evade the Amish Inquisition are innawoods schizos who occasionally sneak into village to hand out handguns and pipe bombs to kids like candy.
>>289395709There are many ways to do it. Differing tools would be awesome for this show.Tool 1: Handheld printer>insert paper into device with ink>configure appropriate modules to their spots by activating certain buttons>press the main button to stamp the magic>there's another button to activate the magic>there's an eraser to erase any traces of magic symbols on the paper>nobody would even know symbols were printed off into the paper>remove the modules when not in use so nobody could figure out how it works>rinse and repeatTool 2: Ready-made stamps>one adjustable stamp for each differing elements spaced out depending on the configuration>overlay the symbols with these stamp after stamp>activate the magic with the stamp that only creates a circleTool 3: A guide>place the guide on top of the paper>trace the guide effortlessly>some kind of a braille system to indicate what is being drawn even without looking>trace the ring guide last then to activate the magicTool 4: Compass>compass about less than an inch thick, is firmly clamped onto the device with paper>the compass is also a pen that only allows for rigid movements so every drawing is perfect>draw whatever you want perfectly>deconstruct once finishedEtc.I could keep going on and on, there are many ways to make tools, even a string in the middle of a paper is also a tool. Come on now. A resistance witch would probably make a supertool that just shoots off magic like a machine gun.>>289395752That's not an excuse that even if magic is restricted, the tools are somehow also restricted to even create or use, despite their benefits and zero downsides. Tools would be perfect for safety, convenience and gatekeeping, in so many different ways. Not doing so it just plain stupid, and ruins the immersion of anybody with an IQ higher than 95.
>>289396060The downside is the ease of use.As said, it is easier to draft with tools, over freehand.
>>289396060i'm so proud of your 100 IQ anon
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>>289396115Again, gatekeeping themselves makes no sense. Gatekeeping other people makes perfect sense, but tools could literally even erase any trace of any thing at all. The average person wouldn't even know how to use a tool just like a person won't know how to activate a PC without the code in it. A monkey wouldn't know how to assemble a gun either, and tools would just be like that in that world. It would be safer for them to use tools to gatekeep. How could you not understand this? It would take a lifetime to master and to create different tools, just like here in the real world with computers and smartphones. Only idiots would neglect them. There is no valid reason not to do so, not even with gatekeeping.
>>289385315Can't create a hole in an empty space
>>289395389Aside from all the other reasons stated the witches of the present are ULTRA traditionalist, educated from birth (practically brainwashed) that this is the right and absolute way. Inventions like that would be meet with contempt and disgust. A way to easily replicate seals would't be acceptable if we go with Aggott backstory.Heck. If you go and try to explain your logic reasoning to the witch law enforcers it probably gets you mindwiped by rockin the boat to much.
>>289396187Gatekeeping themselves makes total sense.The entire point of the Pact is self-segregation and self-limitation.
>>289396234What you're implying is that even the resistance witches, who wants to know the limits of magic, are also like that as well for some reason and it's not even explained in the show, and even moreso that literally everyone acts like this, not even a single dissenter or a genius to come up with literally anything, even a guide as a tool. It would be cool if they introduce something in the story like they get cursed if they use tools or something, but there isn't even a mention of that. At all.>>289396260No. I'm talking about gatekeeping themselves from safety. If what you said is true, then they wouldn't allow them to go freehand at all, and force them to use tools without ever showing them what symbols look like. Doesn't make any sense either way in that world.
>>289396319Accepting an increased risk of miscasting for the sake of keeping casting difficult and gatekept is entirely rational regarding the goals of the Pointed Caps.
>>289396362Of which tools can easily solve instead of accepting the risk if the whole story / worldbuilding actually makes any sense. That's also not a reason why they should not be using tools either. Keeping casting difficult using tools is far easier than letting someone go off knowing what symbols look like and misuse them. If anything casting dangerous spells is far easier with freehand, and tools could be used both for control and safety, and also for abuse. Tools should be the main point of that show, as it is both perfect for gatekeeping and exploring the limits of magic. Somehow nobody has a brain it seems.
>>289396419The exploring the limits of magic is the bad part.
>>289396461And so it would even make more sense for the resistance movement to use tools because they are the apparent bad guys who wants to do just that, but they don't. Even if we accept that it's just the way the good witches are, it doesn't make sense for the bad witches to not do so. Either way, again, the whole story and world building is broken with a gaping plot hole that needs to be fixed.
>>289396419Casting spells in much harder free hand, because the straightness of your lines and the exactness of the geometric layout of the spell impact it's power.Most freehand spells by a novice are going to fizzle out and be useless. Coco had to trace a spell exactly to cause great harm.Limiting access to drafting tools is far harder than simply using the obvious skill barrier of manual dexterity and muscle memory.
>>289396545How many times do I have to tell you they could literally gatekeep every single magic symbol with tools to the point that even witches don't know they exist or work? They could simply learn how to assemble tools much like how people know how to assemble computers but don't actually know how to write the code that runs your computers. Good witches being provided their standardized tools for magic would make far more sense than letting them go free hand. You've been blabbering about this or that being hard without even actually thinking at all about how the world building should logically be if it were to be a proper one without a gaping plot hole. Tools would literally adjust the power to a standardized safety much like how your PC isn't a ticking time bomb because it's already prepackaged with certain power draw limits. This would make perfect sense for good witches if anything.
>>289396319Story isn't even halfway point so there are a lot of mysteries so that could be for later but even the brims should understand than easily replicable forbidden magic is a fucking bad idea when the story starts with a kid that just copy a circle and shoot a spell to destroy an army.
>>289384781Kokoore.Mushoku tensei.Chainsmokers cat.
>>289383972Overrated Manga for women. Only good thing about it is the art. It's otherwise empty
>>289396696I'm willing to give it a benefit of a doubt that they could somehow fix the plotholes in the future but it's just hard to watch when you consider how things should logically be in that world. Plot holes could be fixed with further explanations to some extent, much like how I said that if there's a plot that states them using tools gets them cursed, would be a pretty cool thing. This should be explained from the very beginning already if it were to be the case anyhow. But until then, the show feels dumb.
>retards find out that dictators want everyone powerless, poor and weak while they keep all the tech and power and moneyShocking huh.
>>289395752>fag flagKek this manga is pathetic
>>289385390The tranny in this manga is tetia, the pink haired girl
>>289385315He's right you know, retard
>>289396837Not him but the concerns of the witches are certainly understable even if their laws needs improvements and if something most of the witches REALLY believe in the cause. One of the highest authority of the witches is slowly dying and don't even cross his mind use healing magic.
>be good witch>ban heals>let people dielolperfect.
>>289396657What you just proposed is far more complex than the scheme used in the manga.The idea of locked down PCs work because our society has a huge division of labor where some people are computer engineers and some people are lawyers and some people are car mechanics and most people will never be good at all three, because there is only so much you can learn in life.Witch society doesn't work like that and you'd have to build it around that structure from first principles. Where there are tool and template engineers that know how spells work and keep this a massive secret, and then there is everyone else that just uses these tools and templates blindly. And the latter can never learn about how the former operates because then they could just freely make any spell.This is way harder to set up than our IRL division of labor and it barely limits the use or learning of magic.You are so stuck on your idea of using compasses and rulers that you make things more complicated to facilitate their usage.
>>289396060>Handheld printerSounds very intricate and complicated and would require a lot of spells just to function in the first place. All just to do something simpler tools or trained hands can do.>Ready-made stampsThings with similar functionality exist all over the setting.>guide>compassConvenient, but basically just training wheels at the end of the day. For a student, they would need to get put aside eventually if they're gonna grow.
>>289397030Not really, you're spouting full of nonsense. Even a piece of string in the middle of the drawing pad would be considered a tool and make things far easier to do so. A tool can range from very simple every day items to very complex items that are like computers. Yet NONE of them is even ever considered in the show. Not a single person no matter if they're good or bad, has every considered that maybe using a piece of string or a compass pen would be a good thing. Again, I reiterate, when I say tools I'm not talking about shit like Iron Man, even a simple compass or a piece of string would make it far easier to do whatever they're trying to do, especially if they are hiding their magic. Anybody could do that, even a disposable ring or whatever magic tool they've used in the show is far more complex than a literal piece of string or a compass pen. You can't be this stupid.
>>289397138The reasoning was already given.The free hand drawing technique is the standard for a reason. It is meant to be harder.
>>289397128>>Things with similar functionality exist all over the setting.Yet they're not using that and have to drape over their arms and legs like a retard when drawing magic in public infront of everybody where they are risking their lives and getting their memories wiped. It's stupid.>basically just training wheels at the end of the day.So you think architects and engineers who use tools and computers are simply just using training wheels so then therefore they must go freehand all the time in something that always requires exact precision? The same logic applies here. Are you this dumb?
>>289397203>It is meant to be harder.This is a buzz word. You mean it's meant to make it so that they are always in a do or die situation despite learning how to properly use tools would easily solve all the issues that freehand has? And they justify putting themselves in a risky situation with no benefit whatsoever? You might be just as stupid as the plot it seems.
>>289383972I think the resolution and death of the gold statues would have made for a much better ending and it would only have required one(1) extra episode or the same number of episodes but with a normal pacing instead of the slow as balls shit we got.
>>289397218>Yet they're not using that and have to drape over their arms and legs like a retard when drawing magic in public infront of everybody where they are risking their lives and getting their memories wiped. It's stupid.Only when they have to do something completely off the cuff, which a ready-made stamp wouldn't help with anyway. Otherwise they use tools, like Qifrey's sword or Olruggio's rings. The students don't have tools because they're just students who aren't really supposed to be using magic in front of people at all.>So you think architects and engineers who use tools and computers are simply just using training wheels so then therefore they must go freehand all the time in something that always requires exact precision? You're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying you can never use a convenience again after a certain point. Rather, you should be capable of going without one when necessary and you'll need to practice that at some point. If you ONLY can draw a straight line with a ruler or CAD, you're not a particularly good draftsman, are you?
>>289397480>The students don't have tools because they're just students who aren't really supposed to be using magic in front of people at all.No retard. They are meant to learn how to use magic in front of people and they even have tests for it, as a student. Did you even watch the show or read? It should be that they should learn how to use tools far before they are even allowed to take the test to perform magic infront of people. They are putting their lives on the line here. Magic items aren't tools, they're simply magic items, not something that would help them draw faster and with far more consistency. Magic items can be disposable tools however, but that's besides the point. The whole show should've been filled with stuff about tools.>If you ONLY can draw a straight line with a ruler or CAD, you're not a particularly good draftsmanThis does not make any sense for the show when they are putting their lives on the line here performing magic infront of people and even fighting without tools. It makes sense to learn how to draw and write magic as a starter, but not when walking around especially in public where you have an obligation to hide magic and protect yourself. Not utilizing tools despite being able to easily create one is plain stupid. Again the entire world building is stupid.
>>289383972why is Gojo in this?
Also just because I say that the show is stupid doesn't mean it's bad. It's a good enjoable show if you turn off your brain, but it definitely falls off the world building aspect when you put it through a logical lens.
>>289397887>It's a good enjoable showIt's boring as hell if you're not a lolicon with no standards or obsessed with gay identity crap.
>>289383972Better than Clevatess and that faggot-shit MT
>>289397960>It's boring as hell if you're not a loliconWell I gotta admit I probably watched it for that reason alone. I feel like it had its good CGDCT and other SoL moments, and the art is not half bad at least. I'd watch any show with cute girls in them, especially lolis.
>>289397667He predates Gojo by a year or more.
>>289397275Yes, the magic is structured to facilitate the plot.Coco has two legs and no elephant trunk for the same reason. Now, the plot being facilitated is one where magic is intentionally kneecapped by the Pact so that it is more difficult to use than it needs to be, deliberately to repress its usage. Your solution of making a dualistic Witch society of engineers and uneducated assembly line workers just to allow for the use of magical tools is untenable and would even contradict the intent of the Pact.
>>289397634The students aren't supposed to be casting magic in front of muggles at all until they've passed several tests. If you're in a dangerous situation AND there's muggles around AND you don't have a magic item that can help, then you're supposed to go get your teacher instead of fucking around yourself.Basically, by the time they're allowed to cast in front of muggles, they should be past the training wheel stage anyway.
>>289398123If they prohibit the use of any sort of tool whatsoever no matter how simple then they should've at least mentioned that very specifically. But so far from what I've seen they prohibit the use of certain magic, not creating or using tools to eliminate all sorts of risks from using permitted magic. It's not like they're not allowed to invent things, one of the main characters literally an inventor. But somehow it's only limited to magic items and not tools that help making magic safer and far more convenient for witches. And even moreso nonsensical that not even the resistance is doing it either.
>>289398276>AND you don't have a magic item that can helpThen that's basically the same thing as not having a brush to use. That's not really an excuse. Heck in fact just replace the brush entirely with another magical tool that is far more accurate and convenient to use. There endless suggestions I could make, that's why the show should've been about tools instead.
>>289398283Why would it be mentioned? The point is that not using tools is normalized. One of the main things they train for is drawing in public in secret, freehand. The norm is to draw freehand and not to use drafting items. Who would talk about tools that they don't use? Banned magic has to be focused on, because even normal spells can be used for illegal things, like medicine. But if you don't use the tools why would anyone mention them?
>>289398276i think with that logic they should be using their fingers instead lol
I think something that's muddling the conversation is that drawing aides like a compass and ready made spell stamps are getting referred to interchangeably as "tools", but they're very different concepts in practice.
>>289398351Because it's a possible and logical thing to do and literally nobody is making use of? The use of tools apart from a brush SHOULD be normalised in that world logically speaking. There is nothing stopping them from doing so, and not doing so is only to their disadvantage and they risk literally everything. Brushes aren't meant for precise drawing anyway, there are far better tools for that. Engineers and Architects don't use brushes to make lines when it's crucial, and even moreso with the witches when it's a do or die thing for them. Banned magic doesn't mean banned tools.
>>289398322Honestly, students shouldn't even have magic ink and paper on them in public until they've passed the tests, given how strict the pact is about the concept.
>>289398351Are you a fucking moron? First off, all you've seen are witches that work on the field, ner normies that need to cast in secret and often improvise their spells. There's other witches, like artisan that will surely work with tools, you actually see Tartah's grandpa working like that. And othert witches like the Knight Moralis also work with tools instead of casting with their free hand.
>>289398441Fuck me, its like you're a broken record. Your logic is that it is good when magic is more efficient to cast. That is not the logic of the Witches in the setting. Your standard for 'makes sense' doesn't mesh with what their rationale is.
>>289398460Yes this is another flaw, but I expect since they're in the middle of nowhere that everything goes. They don't have to follow academy rules. But really if they were headed down that path they should at least experiment with using different tools. There's a lot that needs to be fixed with the world building / writing.
>>289398460Well, indeed they need to past the first test before.
>>289398487>Your logic is that it is good when magic is more efficient to cast.Yes? What are the literal downsides to this then? They risk EVERYTHING getting everyone's memories wiped even them dying just because they didn't use tools that would've saved them. The mentality doesn't make any sense nor has any justification whatsoever. If there is a justification for that, I haven't seen that in the show at all and I haven't seen someone come up with a valid logical one. You say that's not the logic of the witches, then what is their logic? Let people suffer and die when it could've been minimised with tools?
>>289398473Those artisans almost certainly train so that if they must, they can cast around muggles without letting anyone notice. Knights Moralis members use purpose built weapons to attack others. They aren't spell duelists, and post-anime finale, we learn that some members aren't even interested in actual magic. And while likely basically competent at casting spells in public, would not be skilled Witches. Neither links to the "why don't they use a compass" question.
>>289398568>Neither links to the "why don't they use a compass" question.A compass limits how big a circle for a spell can be. That's counter productive if you have to improvise on the fly. See for example episode one, with Qifrey ahving to fix the wheel.
>>289398551>What are the literal downsides to this then?>then what is their logic? Let people suffer and die when it could've been minimised with tools?The downside is magic becoming too prevalent and too easily used to solve everything by people that haven't been indoctrinated. Yes. That is their logic. The point of the Pact is to repress magic. Not to empower it or to empower Witches. Allowing people to suffer for the sake of keeping the balance of magic versus the world is an accepted part of Witch philosophy.
>>289398632But we're talking about tools here, not magic. You keep confusing the two like a broken record. People are literally not banned from inventing and using tools just like they aren't banned from doing the same with magic items either. The type of magic that is banned is within a specific genre and there is no mention at all of tools or helpers being banned. A witch attaching a string to a pen to make a perfect circle or using a compass to do so, isn't going to be the same as what some of the banned magic's been doing. They're just all stupid and it feels like anyone who defends not using tools or any sort of helpers is plain stupid.
>>289398551>Let people suffer and die when it could've been minimised with tools?Literally yes, that would be their response. These are zealots who banned healing magic because it doesn't fall within their strict rules. Are you fucking getting it yet? These are Amish wizards.
I really like witch hat, it is more fun with the english VAs too cause they put an effort into the accents
>>289398709Again if that's what they wanted then it even makes far less sense for the show to not ban magic overall or to not use tools to ration out magic and hide the symbols from everyone else. Again, the world building is stupid and broken. And even if let's say rationing out magic is impossible, the resistance side also not using magic tools makes even far less sense. Go read the posts earlier so I don't have to repeat myself.
>>289383972bro you need to use bro more, bro
>>289398708What part of magic is not meant to be easy is it so hard for you to understand? Can you explain what part of that sentence you do not get?
>>289398708You're confused, again, the witches we follow are field witches how usually need to be able to improvise and draw free hand. See pic related for an example of what is expected. Artisan probably use tools, and if you're going to cast the same spell then you just use a magic tool like the ring or the banner.
>>289398863Learning how to draw freehand and not using tools especially in a public setting is a completely different thing. If they were really drawing something that precise it would make sense for them to use a pen or some other tool to do so. They use a brush just because, probably for cool points or something, but it makes zero logical sense whatsoever. Other tools would literally make far more sense than what they've been doing. Drawing freehand with a tool is basically the same thing as having a wand pen. The fact that they use a brush makes zero logical sense. Do I need to repeat myself 10x over for you to get it?>>289398861What part of them not using their brain and the tools not even being banned, is so hard for you to understand?
>>289398971>. They use a brush??
>>289398971Yea or Nay, would tools make it easier to draw a magic sigil?
>>289398992I meant to say a compass pen or some other toolEspecially the one with a guide and all that allows them to draw it far easier and more convenient to do so. Instead they rely on the wand pen that only serves to disadvantage them and they don't even experiment with differing tools. Again, this whole show should've been about how to use different tools, as it is not a banned topic in that world.
>>289398971The only brush is this fella.
>>289399015Tools would make it faster and more convenient to draw a sigil, especially to conceal or in a fight, but learning how to draw the sigil is a different thing. Just because one has the tools doesn't mean they have the knowledge of how to draw a magic sigil so.
>>289399027Again, compass would stab the paper which can also have its own issues, not even saying in situation like when Qifrey had to draw over his arm, so he end up stabbing himself if he relied on something like a compass.
>>289399073Then they can experiment with a rotational compass with a clamp that doesn't stab the paper. Again, experimenting with different tools, which is not banned in the show, but nobody utilises because the world building is stupid. Again, this show should've been about tools.
>>289399071One of the major gatekeeping methods to being a witch is the physical capability to draw a spell. Tools make that easier. Therefore tools should not be used according to the intentions of the Pact.
>>289398776>ban magic overall They still want the power and privilege of being wizards.>use tools to ration out magicThat's what the mind wiping is for. Just wipe anyone you don't want to know magic.>hide the symbols from everyone elseThat's literally what they do.Okay, I think I see your misunderstanding. There's not supposed to be a distinction between coneheads and regular wizards. Everyone we see who isn't a brim or a muggle is a member of the coneheads. That's the default, because the OG coneheads wiped every other faction.
>>289399114I think that is mostly used by stationary witches that can work in the tranquility and safety of their homes, not for traveling witches.
>>289399116But there isn't a single mention of tools being banned now is there? People are allowed to invent magic items and magic tools, as long as they don't use the banned genre of magic. Unless it explicitly says that helpers and tools are banned, whatever you say holds no meaning.>>289399141There are many ways to make it portable. The way they hide under their cape or robe or whatever, is extremely inconvenient and dangerous to do so even. It would be far better especially if they can do everything just by one hand using a tool. Or something.
>>289399156You talk like someone who never went outside to draw, not using tools is not the most confortable way to do it. I can draw a circle by myself, can you?
>>289399169They're not drawing a painting, they're literally drawing exact shapes and exact lines. This is not even comparable my dude. And tools specifically to ease that process is very much required. In a lot of fantasy settings, they use wands to direct magic, and in this world it would be the tools acting like wands themselves; directing perfect lines and circles. Even stamps if possible.
>>289399156When freehand drawing skill is the main thing tested throughout your education as a Witch, why would anyone make a tool for it? Using a tool would just make you worse at drawing by hand, when that skill is literally the most important talent a Witch has to have.
>>289399202You need to adjust size and placement of the shapes for different effects, you can see that in the roosting nut episode. And a tool is limiting in the ways you can do that, specially if you re over-reliant on it.
>>289399221If there was a fight between a tool user who could stamp out and draw magic in a split second vs another witch who needs a minute to draw all the intricate lines by freehand, the tool user would be infinitely far better and faster. It also takes a lot of time and effort to master tools.>>289399246Then adjust the tools in many ways as needed. It's not that difficult. You're talking about reliancy as if they aren't already relying on their wand pens either. Them having a tool is no different from them having the wand pen that they have, only that the other tool is far better, safer, more convenient and more efficient, and it's not even banned.
>>289399277The pen can be replaced with some clever work around like Coco did in the first test. But if you become over reliant on an specific tool, such things become harder.
>>289399277>a tool user who could stamp outYou already have that, they're the rin, banner, etc. If you're only going to stamp one spell you are better just having a magic tool that does the thing.
>>289399317That pen got replaced with a some rock, that's not a tool. Replacing a pen with another pen-like object makes no difference. A tool is meant to help make it faster and more convenient, not necessarily more comfortable for the user. The show should've experimented with differing tools and that different witches use tools in different ways.>>289399379Magic items especially disposable ones aren't tools like I said before. Tools help a witch draw the magic, not just activate them. They're basically like a pen but in a different form.
>>289383972I read a few chapters when it was a newish manga and didn't dig it, despite being a dungeon meshi fan and liking early frieren before I got tired of it. Just don't watch it if you don't like it, I've never gone into a WHA thread to bitch
>>289399073>>289399114why would stabbing the paper be an issue? they just have to connect the lines right? it affects nothingthey draw on rocks lol, where it's full of holes and uneven, and it still works.
>>289399508You just did.
>>289399425Fool. Rocks are the original tool
>>289399548It could change the intended shape of the central sigil depending on the damage.
>>289396944Ok, show me some GOOD manga from the least 10 years where the author is some rightoid incel israel asset, then.
>>289399602I'll give you that, but they're not "magic tools" in a sense they're specifically used to help draw magic. They could probably make a magic tool out of rocks or crystals though, and I do separate magic pens from magic tools, as magic tools specifically helps the user far more than any pen could. For example an abacus or a handheld printing press is a tool. A stamp is a tool, a stapler is a tool, a scissor is a tool. Any device with some sort of a mechanism is what I would consider to be a tool in that world.
>>289399592I came to lurk, and bitched en passant
>>289399425You are confusing your definition of tools. Tool is a object to help your do something. The magic items we see as Quiffrey sword is a tool. Good in a fight yes. Better that draw in the moment but thing is witch society has grown complacent barely someone can fight with their magic. The brimhats are a problem yes but they are a terrorist group not an entire army so the average witch does not need to worry much about them.
>>289399277Witches almost never do PvP.
>>289399771I've been very specific about what I consider to be magic tools that helps a witch draw sigils and magic items that are only meant to fire off spells. I think you should go reread the posts. That's not the official definition of course, especially since they're not even mentioned to begin with. But that's what I'd expect from the story building if it were to be logical at all.
>>289399829nta. You have a very specific brand of autism, just came to say that.
>>289399901The show triggers my autism both in a good and a bad way, so the only way I could really see people enjoying this show is if they turn their brain off and just let everything be. I specifically like anime that are very detailed when it comes to the mechanics of how systems work and how characters exploit that system, and so otherwise the CGDCT aspect is the only other thing I could enjoy.
>>289399829Also as I said before the witch society are ultra traditionalist to the point of some teachers physically abusing their students if they don't follow the estableced ways. They would hate that. Agott backstory alludes to this. Quiffrey also mention it.And some could think about it but considering how the law enforcers operate the would demeat it dangerous and mindwipe you for it. They have that authority as we see with the see-throwh-it glasses.The brimhats don't do it becuase is not priority. The priority is the magic itself not the process. The pens are fine for it. Recover forbidden magic is the goal. But they probably have others reasons for not as it you know, destroying the world. Otherwise nothing stops them of just reveal the secrets slowly to the masses
>>289400080No onan, you have to turn down your autism a little and wait until the author finish before complaining about stuff that may be explained later.
>>289400088Even if they're ultra traditionalist in every way, it makes no sense whatsoever why the usage of tools and helpers is not even mentioned or considered. The concept itself is not even banned, it just seemed to me like a concept vaccuum that's been glossed over just because. It's not even because of magic doing so. If someone in that world came about and started using tools and helpers because they thought it would be convenient, they would dominate both the good and the bad witches all at the same time. While you could make arguments for why the good little sheep witches aren't using them, there are no valid arguments as to why the outliers and the evil witches aren't. Again I say, it's not a banned thing to do so.
>>289400177I try to but if there's something as rudimentary as this be glossed over without explanation from the get-go, then it makes the show a bit hard to watch unless you turn off your brain.
>>289400353I think you over valorate tools and underestimate how good people can get without using them.
>>289400492Think about it this way. You can't beat a calculator no matter how hard you try. Magic tools in a sense are like halfway between a calculator and solving equations manually. People in that world would need to justify being able to beat a calculator the manual way and justify the downsides of the convenience of tools. Tools could be from something very simple to something very complex, like from an abacus vs. a supercomputer in that calculator example.
>>289400613Sometimes, just drawing the circle yourself is easier.
>>289400613Imagine if you had a society where doing mental math or math on just a blackboard was considered the most important skill possible. How many people would use calculators?
>>289401132>>289400957That's what people in the real world already thought as well until until people with calculators and compasses wiped out the people who do mental math and took over their lands. The thing is with this show, their society should be advanced enough to make even the simplest tools, unlike even the most basic form of calculators today. They can make magic items far more complex.
>>289401235Knowing how to do basic calculations without a calculator saved The Mercury-Atlas 9 Mission
>>289400201What is banned or not depend on the pact and the veredic of the law enforcers and you don't want to risk them getting in your case so better do things the traditional way. And I already mentioned with the bad guys don't do it. But manga isn't even half point so I better wait until the end and don't make a fool of myself for things that could be reveled later.
>>289401235None of this analogies work because the magic nature of the pact, the mindwipe and systematic elimination of forbidden magic. For what could be show later when we get a flashback to the days of yore we could see they have had those things and then were destroyed.
>>289401235What if the Blackboard Majority lobotomized the Calculator Minority?
>>289385403I look forward to Coco getting disfigured even more.
>>289383972Gay ass anime
>>289383972Based ass anime
>>289385721Did you have a stroke, anon?
Christ at the very least post pictures if you're going to argue about stupid shit that doesn't matter.
>>289395509Because they read the manga. Please do so too anon
I'm fAgott's strongest soldier.
>lanky metrosexual guy with spiky white hairyeah this shit is for girls
>>289404656to be fair to that guy, a simple drawing helper like picrel that helps you draw perfect circle would go a long waybut the guy treating it as be all end all is acoustic, can't deny that
>>289395509There is an actual gay couple in the show but it's the only actual relationship of that type in it. Everything else is baiting with no hard feelings or caressing or love or nothing. Like people can just say "And they were good friends" and in this case it is true. But Qiuefry and Olruggio are in fact VERY good friends. It is clear Shirihamais a fujo .Though it kinda goes both ways with Aggot and Coco baiting too.
>>289405736>in the showin the mango*
>>289405620Wrong that's MEI want to Floof Aggot's hair!
Why is raw sewage leaking into the streets!? Disease is the one thing these fuckers can't fix! Why is Coco the first witch in history to address it!?
>>289405795Witches don't fucking bother because they don't live with muggles and see how muggles live, and muggles rely almost entirely on magic or their own ways to do things. Coco's whole deal is she's a muggle who become a witch and lived a muggle life. Granted it is kinda of dumb happen stance and Aggot did help fix it, but that's mostly the reason.
>>289405795it aint that sewage leaking into the street, people have dedicated waste hole to dump waste into after all, but its that the sewage now became a street because its a place out of watching eye for the less blessed to congregate inand its most likely the jurisdiction of the medical king anw
The way to solve this debate is to ask the autist if he is the German anon who seethes in the Frieren threads about demons as the posting style is similar. If so then do not argue further.
>>289405880But witches have a public service quota to meet and nobody's fixed the capital's shit street. >>289405930The sewage-cleaning spell sees use in the rest of Ezrest. This is a blind-spot nobody bothered with before Coco & co.
>>289406058Shit like that happens these days too. I'm not calling it contrived, but I still believe it could happen. At least they have free health care
UN hat AtelierWhoa. I like privatized healthcare so I can pay for Insurance/middle men.
>>289405620Will Coco ever put out?
>>289405795No one put in an order to clean the area. Witches don't randomly walk around capital cities, making changes. They do which jobs they're paid to do. Either the King didn't know or didn't care that there were slums by the sewer drains.
Will we ever get to see Aggot's spell now? Will Coco ever try to cover up her new scar or will it heal on its own? Will Tetia have her time soon?
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>>289406252Humanitarian work doesn't mean overhauling the sewer systems of an important metropolis by yourself.
>>289406271It's not an overhaul. It's a circle you scribble so there's less shit in the city.
>>289387979Aggot is unironically the best girl.
HER NAME IS AGOTT WITH 2 “T”sStop calling her “AGGOT”
>>289406058>The sewage-cleaning spell sees use in the rest of Ezrest. This is a blind-spot nobody bothered with before Coco & co.i don't understand what you're saying thenezrest already have sewer system, the shit doesn't leak into normal street, and they have circle that cleans waste waterit's just that there's only so much of those circle but the waste tributary to said circle keep increasing, so there's still waste sewer before the waste water reaches those waste-cleaning circle
>wizards just let two men live unsupervised with 4 lolis
>>289406571welcome to high trust society
>>289406571Correct.
>>289383972I finished watching the anime last week in one sitting.I knew of the series before (mainly from seeing manga volumes in book shops), but I never picked it up.+The art is prettyInteresting world and magic-bad charactersbad story7/10It's good, but I sort of got disappointed by it. Mot because I had high expectations, but because there wa a lot of potential that I think got wasted
>>289398745>dubfag
>>289406571The men are the ones at greater danger.
