>>289386950
If you are smart it can invite you to profound themes without being a pretentious anime.
If you are not you can still enjoy his plot. It's a good anime.

>>289387124
/thread

It's not deep but it's very well written and executed.

>>289386950
Your girlfriend is at my place rn btw don't worry

>>289386950
I wish we could talk about this show here without the yuritroons showing up and ruining everything, because there is quite a lot to talk about. Since that's impossible, wait until your gf dumps you and then watch it on your own and never talk about it with anyone here on /a/. Or, you know, be a man and watch what you want whether she sees you or not.

>>289386950
it's nice but it's not gonna make you feel a reddit "This Show Changed Me..." moment. it's basically melodrama with high effort presentation and it's very entertaining

>>289386950
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/image/oxOrMEgTKTV0702hxaTMwg/
Kill yourself already you worthless cunt.

>>289386950
Do we really need another kind of pajeet engagement bait ritual posting about this series? Something about it must really piss off the kikes for this to happen like that

Madoka is a feminist work that uses the concept of magical girls to explore constructed gender roles with each of the main characters reacting differently, though earnest in their own ways, to a status quo that demands the sacrifice of girls hearts and individual identities with the expectation that they'll do it simply out of duty to others despite the inevitable end of being sucked dry. Homura and Madoka strive for a rebellion against that system, the former being trapped within it and the latter realizing that the system itself has to be changed.

>>289389631
This gay little analysis falls completely flat when you remember they have to first accept that bargain and that they are rewarded with a wish

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>>289386950
>is this anime deep
shut up
it's neither deep or well written. what it is instead is really fun. the music is great, the voice acting is great, the visuals are great, and the writing while flawed is really chuuni and endearing

>>289386950
You're already a faggoty little girl picking the shows you watch to appeal to your master.

>>289390098
Or the fact that being a magical girl is presented as a secret alternative lifestyle, as opposed to wagecuckery which is what is expected of people.
Kyubey doesn’t rule openly like libtards believe Trump or Elon musk do, he does so in secrecy like the kikes and masons.
That kind of ai generated slop posts trying to depict Madoka as supporting an ideology that was literally created by the people it calls out will never not be funny.

It's profound by technical definition, it has characters good enough to be considered as such. Something isn't pretentious because it's intended for a slightly more skilled audience, most of what could be considered pretentious is directly poorly written, like many popular anime such as shingeki or erased

>>289386950
> wouldnt be caught dead watching faggoty little girl shit especially since my gf moved in
You watch anime, your girlfriend already thinks you're a child-touching soiboi homo but is too polite to confront you about it

>>289390822
true that. I don't why "people" insist on posting shit like that.
as if the anime used little girls to spin some feminist allegory rather than the fact otaku culture worships moe and that the mahou shoujo genre was well established by the time meguca rolled in

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>>289386950
I like being pretentious.

>>289386950
>>289389631
It's a Gnosticism anime about loosh harvesting.

>>289388324
Lesbian lolis are sexy, and men love them.

>>289390127
True.

>>289391338
Rebellion referencing Nietzsche is also more proof that feminist schizos are retarded.
Feminism and lgbt shit are inherently anti-Nietzschean. Nietzsche fucking hated anyone who sees themselves as "oppressed" and depicts that as a virtue (which is also why he hated Christianity which does this shit as well with martyrs).
In fact modern leftists are the perfect incarnation of the Last Man. Pretentious entitled retards who believes everyone for all of history until they were born was retarded. Nietzsche unironically predicted reddit

>>289391387
Nobody likes lesbians

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While we're at it, was it ever properly explained how Homura managed to hijack Madoka's godlike powers and recreate the universe? Or will I have to accept it's some "the power of love" shit?

>>289386950
Gen Urobuchi is a big Tomino fan. All the misery and shit that comes with his anime is due to that

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>>289386950
There's some "deep" (inter-religious, Hegelian) shit to look at with Madoka if you really wanted to go far into it, but that's more than anyone on nu-/a/ is willing to do since they'd rather argue about if it's Yuri or not (fundamentally doesn't matter and if you think it does you missed the point of what 'deep' means entirely)
Then there's the more obvious themes like those pertaining from Faust, to utilitarianism, to Nietzsche, Which obviously most people would've already gotten after the first 2-3 times they've watched it.
I'd just wait for Kaiten to either pull it all together or break apart before I say anything final on the Weltanschauung of Madoka and what Uro was trying to say about both eastern and western morality, in the face of modernity

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>>289392334
>Or will I have to accept it's some "the power of love" shit?
In universe it's some "the power of love" shit

>>289392518
you're gonna have to try a tad harder to salvage the "little girl emotions generate eneregi and reverses entropy" anime

>>289388324
True. Madoka threads have a lot of yuritroons.

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>>289392596
I don't need to. It does that on its own well enough by the fact that it's just a good, well written anime regardless of any "deep" aspects

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>>289392559
Figures... I hate to see it. I hate when a fictional setting has this thing in which emotions are the source of power/magic/strength or anything physical in the broader sense. Since the "strength" of emotion isn't explained rationally you can just pull explanations out of your ass whenever convenient and have the characters have their abilities grow without bound. It's just so lazy and overdone really. Plus it leads to retarded powercreeps in which the entire constellation of all parallel universes are in danger or whatever because one guy is fucking pissed, pretty much any hysteric could become god at any moment.
Madoka keeps things somewhat bounded at first with the single wish thing and having each magical girl have a power set in stone but if they're going to disregard that whenever they need to raise the stakes why even bother
>>289392757
Well written? Cut me some slack

>>289386950
well for starters it runs that trope of "becoming a concept" which is one of the gayest in modern fiction so there you have it

>>289387666
I hope her larger cock didn't make you insecure anon :3

>>289392334
She is the most powerful witch that has ever existed, and apparently her power is enough to imprison Madoka in a parallel world.

>>289386950
Imagine being so pathetic you let some foid decide on your behalf what you can and cannot watch. Fags win again.

You should get self respect before worrying about anime recs.

>>289392910
Well, witches are born from emotions; the series revolves around people's emotions. The antagonist seeks to make humans feel emotions. Time travel is an excuse to make everything bigger, but the story remains about what the characters do. Madokami was born thanks to the constant resets and how the universe changed, something Kyubey said emotions caused. We already saw that Homura would become a witch and her very possible connection to the big final witch; these are emotions that have reached unnatural or impossible limits, and the series uses them to create the most powerful witch. While it works with an "abstract" concept, it uses a sufficiently logical system behind it so that everything has cohesion and thus develops its characters; that's a well-written supernatural system. Regarding the girls' powers, I don't see any problem. What are you supposed to want to happen? Homura's dream was to change them, that's why they're different.

>>289392334
>>289392910
Homura’s wish was to be able to protect Madoka, so when doing that required her to transcend to a higher dimensional plane, she was able to do so.

>>289392334
Explicitly, no. But consider a few things.
Madoka's "karmic potential" was artificially increased as a result of Homura literally warping the future around her repeatedly (with a visual metaphor of being bound by numerous threads). Furthermore, after Madoka's final wish, Homura should, in her recognizable form, not exist. Kaname Madoka (the human) never existed, Homura never met a classmate who doted on her, never finds strength and purpose to become a magical girl, and dies unceremoniously. Logically, that's what should happen. The law of cycles, being baked into the laws of the universe should be independent of the chain of causality that resulted in Madoka's wish.

That's not what happened. Instead, Homura was a displaced walking temporal paradox. She has the experience of a hundred overwritten timelines which never existed because Kaname Madoka and witches never existed. The ribbon on her head should not exist; her wish should not exist because Kaname Madoka never existed. She exists only because of Madoka's interference. Her karma is intrinsically tied to Madoka. When she steals her power (represented by wrapping pink thread into a neat spool), she's just tugging on the string that binds them. It is a mistake to think of Homura as an ordinary magical girl when her existence is already a twist of fate manifested by Madoka's interference.

>>289388324
>>289393925
I'm physically incapable of reading sentiments like this and not imagining them being said by a stinky obese fedora neckbeard in dirty clothes watching my little pony on a laptop in public. You're just wrong, watching cartoons for little girls IS embarrassing.

>>289392334
I'm 95% certain it's the wording of her wish.
Her wish wasn't to just "protect Madoka" or "make Madoka safe" or "I want to go back in time and save Madoka".
It's, specifically, "I want to be strong enough to protect Madoka".
When her despair got kicked out of her and she fully remembers Madoka in Rebellion, her wish jumpstarted her strength to Madokami levels.

>>289391387
>men
zoomer boys*

>>289396458
So men

>HIDOI HIDOI HIDOI
>wow so deep

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>>289396799

It's a descent into madness, of course there will be complaints from the girl who only understands the world through concepts of stability and reason.

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>>289393860
But I remember that Madoka wasn't truly "imprisoned", there was something to do with foregoing her memories and playing along? And even then that's beside the point, we've seen what witch Madoka looked like and she's implied to be considerable stronger than both Walpurgisnacht and Homura. Kyubey himself commented that she was the strongest magical girl destined to become the most dangerous witch or something among that lines. I think that Homura being able overthrow Madoka without some impossibly clever mechanism, instead ultimately relying on her emotional energy generated ex nihilo like in pretty much any shounen, weakens the story considerably.

>>289394062
>>289396027
Unless I'm missing something, this "wish" thing, much like the "emotional power" thing, is just not very convincing mostly because the wishes are granted by Kyubey. Emotional energy, too, is also harvested by Kyubey. What I mean is that Kyubey is a necessary middleman to this reservoir of magic, so to say, thus you'd imagine the wishes are bounded by what Kyubey is willing to do, or what he is able to do. Kyubey's whole deal is like an entropy-defiying pyramid scheme, he gives the girls these occasionally monkey-paw wishes so they become magical girls, despair, and generate more energy (or magic, or karmic potential, doesn't matter since these are treated interchangeably) than he puts in. If he were able to rewrite the universe he'd have likely done so, and besides, he'd have no incentive to grant this power to Homura, specially not when she (alongside her kin) is his food. To be honest even Madoka's wish in the original anime felt kind of forced, being able to rewrite the universe with the "karmic debt" generated from a finite number of Homura's timelines, come on now. If we take that to its conclusion then Kyubey should've been able to rewrite the universe a few hundred times considering all the magical girls he tricked throughout history

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mmmmm
magical lesbians
mmmmm

okok but what if

CUBE-ey?

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>>289396799
I say this

No no, it really is just about the struggle facing girls/women as society places certain expectations on them and has nothing to do with gnosticism or your neonazi nonsense. That's why Madoka's mom gets so much focus as a role model despite being unconnected to the magical girl plotline. It's really obvious if you just watch the show lol

>>289386950
Imagined your gf invited her entire extended family over and they all walked in on you flicking your clitty to homura and madoka lezzing out on some deep shit

>>289397002
>But I remember that Madoka wasn't truly "imprisoned", there was something to do with foregoing her memories and playing along? And even then that's beside the point, we've seen what witch Madoka looked like and she's implied to be considerable stronger than both Walpurgisnacht and Homura. Kyubey himself commented that she was the strongest magical girl destined to become the most dangerous witch or something among that lines. I think that Homura being able overthrow Madoka without some impossibly clever mechanism, instead ultimately relying on her emotional energy generated ex nihilo like in pretty much any shounen, weakens the story considerably.
To enter the "pocket dimension," it's assumed that Madoka enters to help Sayaka and Bebe, but she doesn't have all her memories to prevent Kyubey from harming her. We never saw Madoka as a witch; her transformation is a "god" or rather a new rule of the universe. While it's true that Kyubey spoke of her potential, it was never explicitly stated that a witch couldn't break a universal rule. The idea is to make everything bigger and bigger because the girls open up more psychologically; it's not trying to be your average battle shonen. Furthermore, Homura's "technique" is indeed a "clever strategy," as she simply trapped Madoka in the same way Madoka entered the pocket dimension (labyrinth).

Homura is the most powerful witch and is capable of breaking the universe, but the idea isn't power scaling, but rather taking character analysis to the extreme.

May I get a suggestion list of all /a/ media that truly fits into the "intellectual" lifestyle?
I want to consume as little as possible not to invest precious study and practice time on filler media. And I'm tired of spending my leisure time set to enjoy a fine craft, studying techniques and admiring human accomplishments by erasing name after name in recommendation lists filled with void entertainment. I don't need entertainment. I don't need "it's great for anime" (in this case). I need the utmost peak, and only that, to never step below it evermore.
I may die watching a movie. I want it to be worth it or at least not regret the time spent when on my deathbed.
I want to know stuff that can be put on pedestal. Not compared to the anime landscape, but to any other media form. Then, compared to actual gems. Stuff that can be considered a masterpiece and a fine craft, either due to the quality of the animation, a true exploration of deep themes or as a solid work of cohesive kino without flaws.
For example, no matter what you think of Akira, you can't argue it's not a condensed marbel of frame by frame drawn animation. "Normie this, writing that, there's this one that's better fag" whatever. It's a great example of what can be done. Therefore, great. There can always be a bigger pyramid.
Just like, despite being an almost legendary achievement in terms of sheer size by itself, you wouldn't recommend One Piece to someone with better shit to do, that wanted to see anime just like they see a marbel statue, myth or chapel. You'll tell them "It's so long running and ever expanding. It's amazing. Wow, human beings are cool. A wall of China of storytelling or something, yes. Yeah, don't watch it though!".

if they don't have sex or kiss this was all just a waste of time for like 10+ years

The birthplace of witches the synopsis mentioned is probably where Madoka physically was (as far as that could be true) pre-Rebellion.

>>289392334
No, bu one can assume that the karma accumulation due to the repeating time loops also affected Homura and enabled her to ascend when her sool jim was consumed by lesbianity.

>>289398131
If you have so little time, do you really want to watch TV? Anyway, if you liked Akira: Spirited Away (a film with excellent animation and thematic depth that invites analysis), Kaguya Hime no Monogatari(the Ghibli version has one of the most stunning visual styles in history, entirely hand-painted with watercolors), Perfect Blue (another excellent story with thematic and narrative depth). Series: Ping Pong (one of the best in terms of writing, short and with a strong visual identity), Evangelion + EOE (a classic that invites analysis thanks to its excellent cast and central message; eoe is a cinematic masterpiece), Haibane Renmei (another of the best in terms of writing, short and with very noteworthy direction and atmosphere). There are more, but depending on how you feel about those, you can choose what to watch next.

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>>289398067
>We never saw Madoka as a witch
We did! We saw her looming right after she one-shot Walpurgisnacht in one of the timelines in episode 10, and she became a witch right after. She's like some Xseed-4000 tier monolith too, you can see it in this image. Plus Kyubey outright says that after becoming the strongest magical girl, she had no choice but become the strongest witch. There's nothing to suggest Homura is stronger than Madoka except for the fact she overpowered Madoka in the movie, but this would be circular reasoning (she can only overpower Madoka if she's stronger, but we know she's stronger because she overpowered Madoka). Which leads to the next point

>Furthermore, Homura's "technique" is indeed a "clever strategy," as she simply trapped Madoka in the same way Madoka entered the pocket dimension (labyrinth).
What you called "Homura's technique" wasn't outsmarting Madoka in any sense, it was overpowering Madoka, which I find hard to accept for reasons aforementioned. How is she able to hijack Madoka's godhood status? No, seriously, how did she do it? As far as we know her power is time travel. Now suddenly in witch form she's able? It is presented as some power of love asspull, but that too is debatable. Sayaka used her wish on the boy she liked, much like Homura did for Madoka, and there's nothing to suggest her love made her unreasonably powerful. I guess Homura's love in particular is just soooo strong it just breaks all rules huh. Why bother then?
So even if Homura somehow became strong enough it's already an asspull, but whatever, I don't personally believe she's the strongest, for reasons on the first paragraph but also because Madoka was trapped in the labyrinth on purpose as a step of Operation Save Homura. Unless the next movie shows Madoka allowing herself to be overpowered on purpose for whatever reason, this plot point will remain a rule of cool mess that can only be justified after the fact by fans trying to pick up the pieces

>>289398131
>May I get a suggestion list of all /a/ media that truly fits into the "intellectual" lifestyle?
there's none, but if you wish i can suggest some that will fit in the pseud lifestyle

>>289398785
Oh, I forgot that scene :o Then Homura being stronger now doesn't make sense, even though she's clearly strong (Or maybe she became stronger than Madoka during that time, or maybe Kyubey didn't understand her power because he just kept saying she was different). I understand your point, but the idea is much simpler: Homura has traveled through time hundreds of times, her emotions are no longer "normal," her obsession is now "supernatural." The movie used that to extend her arc, and I understand why you don't like it, but there's some logic behind it. Witches don't have the powers of magical girls; I mean, they create labyrinths and launch strange projectiles, as we've seen. What's clear is that a powerful witch seems to be able to break universal rules, something Kyubey also seemed able to do with his Pocket Dimension, since the idea was to trap Madoka. That's really what Homura's labyrinth is: Madoka is inside a fake dimension, but she's still Madokami, and it's almost 100% certain she'll escape in the movie anyway. I think what bothers you is that something as abstract as emotions literally breaks the universe, but I think the idea is to make everything very big to take the characters further (and also because the visuals will look cooler).

>>289399747
>I think what bothers you is that something as abstract as emotions literally breaks the universe
In a way it upsets me because it makes the writing weaker, and of course I'd like that the writing in one of the shows I like was stronger and that everything neatly fit together, but in the end of the day it's just an anime. It doesn't have to be a masterpiece of writing to be engaging, which it is. It should be clear that I really the show, I wouldn't be on the thread writing walls and fetchign screenshots if I didn't. I like it despite its flaws.
>I think the idea is to make everything very big to take the characters further (and also because the visuals will look cooler).
Yeah, if monolith witch Madoka shows up I'll lose my shit. I guess I just have an axe to grind with fans who act like this is some deep, well written show when it isn't, and it doesn't have to be, having rule of cool shit justifying events is cheap but it's fun. People can't have that though, they must act like the anime they watch has all these nuances and intrincacies and that their taste is very sophisticated indeed. As some other guy said the music, visual and voices are good. The story is flawed but engaging. What's not to love?

>>289392334
Homura should have the same potential as Madoka. If all those timelines are centred around Madoka, then their fates are decided by Homura.
However, unlike Madoka, that potential didn't come into play until after she became a magical girl.
Homura prevents Madoka (with her own hands) from interfering with the collapse of her soul gem, her soul gem shatters and in the process (as stated by Kyubey, when describing the process of harvesting energy) releasing a vast amount of energy. It's in that moment that Homura shatters the law of cycles, taking away the human part of Madoka and separating the law of cycles from her/it's hands.
As for recreating the world, it's simply a galactic sized witch labyrinth.

>>289401086
Is this confirmed canon or some attempt of fans in coming up with a plausible explanation?

>>289386950
It's a good show but most of the intellectual themes people reach for are just cope

>>289401478
That's my interpretation based on what is shown and said from the series and movie.
Even if you wish to ignore the first half of the post, everything I mentioned in the second part is sourced directly from the movie/series.
>homura prevents madoka from interfering by grasping her wrists
>her soul gem shatters
>vast energy is released (info from the series)
>the law of cycles is shattered, human Madoka, LoC Madoka (missing hands)
>a witch labyrinth unfolds and envelops the galaxy

>>289401563
By being the cgdct version of Faust, its able to piggyback off of the intellectual themes of better works.

>>289401563
Those who over-intellectualize it are just reaching for anything they can grasp at because they dislike the simple, blatant feminist themes around which the show is centered

>>289397814
>it really is just about the struggle facing girls/women as society places certain expectations on them
as symbolized by little girls living comfortable lives before making deals with alien cats, traveling in time or becoming god. no offense but you're really reaching

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>>289397002
You shouldn't be applying numerical values to such things. Homura's timelooping would require universal quantities of energy to reset every particle in the universe to its state 1 month in the past even under the most naive assumptions; otherwise, if you take the calculation of faster than light velocity results in going backwards in time, that's an infinite quantity of energy.

Kyubey also has a very limited understanding of how or why emotional energy is anti-entropic. It's not explicitly specified whether it's violating the first law of thermodynamics or the second. It really doesn't matter. If you take issue with Madoka's wish as a product of 100 timeloops increasing her potential, then you'll never get anywhere. You can't even begin to calculate the energy required to introduce a new law of physics because there's no model to account for the laws of physics not being fixed.

To bring it back to Homura, you should not think of it as "overpowering" Madoka. There is no arbitrary metric by which you can quantify Madoka's power versus Homura's. Homura is merely exploiting the connection she has with Madoka. Her fate is inexorably tied with hers, in a way no other magical girl has.

>>289402352
>symbolized by little girls living comfortable lives before
That comfort is bought with the sacrifice of other girls and crumbles as soon as they begin their contact with adulthood; characters like Madoka are classic examples of naive bourgeois existence within nations whose stability requires domestic and/or foreign sacrifices. The crux of the series is how Madoka reacts to learning about the martyrdom of other women. The style of magical girl that each of the main characters becomes reflects a different answer as to how to use one's own potential as a woman (which all result in despair because society is fucked).

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>>289397814
I always assumed her mom was a hostess at a hostess club, but maybe I misread the situation.

>>289386950
Don't watch this, watch Shaft's Negima!? instead.

>>289403748
It doesn't particularly matter what she is or what she does, only that Madoka sees her as an ideal of femininity and keeps running her own problems by her to get advice. The mother-daughter sequences are another one of the big neon signs telling the audience what the themes of the show are.

Homu

Sex with Homu

Madoka Kaname was raped in the breezy autumn of 2013.

>No one found the rape art mentioned last thread
sad

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>>289407054
This is as far as I will go.

Stick to Reddit Tensei, OP

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>>289407091
>Coppery Sayak pussy
Need

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>>289392334
Per her own wish you can already conclude she's apt to always get enough power to protect Madoka (even from herself).
>“I wish... I can meet Ms. Kaname all over again. But this time, instead of her protecting me, I want to be strong enough to protect her

But I also like her "new" wish from Wraith Arc. It feels more in tune with what happens in Rebellion.

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>>289407437
Fake but not gay

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>>289402763
...So you're going to ignore the fact they chose to become magical girls. They did it willingly, for a wish. Plus whatever that other guy mentioned about it being presented as an alternative lifestyle to being a wagie. Completely disregarding the fact that there isn't anything intrinsically feminine in the witch-hunting job, the only reason a boy can't do it in the series is because kyubey wants maximum meguca suffering for his coal mines. Gotcha.

Well while we're at it let me spin an interpretation that is as valid (read: as retarded) as yours. Since you said
>characters like Madoka are classic examples of naive bourgeois existence within nations whose stability requires domestic and/or foreign sacrifices. The crux of the series is how Madoka reacts to learning about the martyrdom of other women
It's fun to point out that the "domestic and/or foreign sacrifice" you reference is the direct result of their choices. Not because they choose to sacrifice in a rather altruistic way (you're the one who used the word martyrdom, for the record), but because they want their wishes to become true. But wait, witches already exist, right? Somebody still has to fight them, right: But the issue is that all witches are preceded by wishes, thus the status quo in which witches exist can be traced back through history to some kind of primordial meguca which set the vicious cycle in motion by commiting the original sin of doing the first contract with an incubator.
So with that you could just as well interpret the series as reinforcing the idea that girls, and only girls, are liable to actualizing an original sin that is not only life-destroying for them but also society-destroying via the mayhem of wishes, and they do it on their own volition too, because they're too stupid to question kyubey's motives and too enamoured with their whims, that is, their wishes.
Two can play the sophist game. Do you now get how retarded you sound?

>>289399427
thumbnail made me think she was sucking on her own toes

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>First was Walp
>Now Oktavia
Interesting, if this continues then next would be Charlotte followed by Paola, right?
Imagine if it's Gretchen

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>>289408322
Max I can see is this girl sitting at you.

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>>289408372
>Selma
Eh, I'd take it.
I wonder how hairy she is down there

>>289408361
What’s the deal with her arms?

How do you sit "at" someone

>>289408456
weird for the sake of being weird

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>>289408428
I guarantee you it should be a little needly.
Try to not die holed at least.
>>289408476
The needle will hit you first. Hence why "at" and not "on".

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Big fat Kyubey/Walp titties

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Why is everyone in this movie so fucking hotter?
Did Ume polish her pervertness at her utmost potential even more?!

>>289408644
>Did Ume polish her pervertness at her utmost potential even more?!
Probably

>>289409067
Sayak agreeing to sleep with me

>>289408199
>reinforcing the idea
This is where your sophistry fails. It doesn't reinforce any sort of negative interpretation, that's the basis for Madoka's answer. The act of wishing is affirmed and she rewrites reality to negate the tragedy that follows. Her transcendence isn't used to punish or instruct at all.
That's how it's so easy to tell you're just pulling an empty interpretation out of your ass, there's nothing in the show that points to that reading even if you can twist around your shitty description of the premise into misogynist nonsense. Similarly, while you can say there's a contrived reason for why only girls get offered contracts, that creative choice is an intentional one reinforced by the emphasis on other female characters like their teacher and Madoka's mom. Whether it's Sayaka's tomboy complex and love triangle or the discord that forces the magical girls into conflict with each other on all of the doomed time lines, there's a constant exploration of girls' feelings about themselves in relation to the world and other girls. When Kyoko manifests her divine feminine potential, her father becomes an enforcer of batshit orthodoxy. It's absurd to think the show isn't flashing its femininity and feminism in your face at all times. Homura even does an ugly duckling to black swan, where she becomes an aesthetic dead ringer for a black haired Japanese beauty but has a personality that is the antithesis of the chauvinist expectations of a yamato nadeshiko. Psychic trauma tea party.

You can be a pathetic sophist all you want but anyone who just watches the show and observes what is happening on screen will immediately agree with everything I've said.

>>289386950
It’s just a more fleshed out rip-off of the final arc of the Sailor Moon manga which was the first actual deconstruction of the genre.
>little girl shit
Well luckily for you Madoka and the Sailor Moon manga it’s ripping off was meant to drive off that original little girl audience to pander to smelly virgin old men like (You) instead. That’s why both barely have any male characters while inserting tons of yuribait instead.

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>>289409184
I don't remember making this post

>>289410038
Neither do i

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Pic related whenever someone asks you to explain the ending of Rebellion.

>>289409331
Madoka is nothing like the final arc of Sailor Moon, also yuribait isn’t real

>>289397814
Women struggle with shady third parties attempting to trick them into alternative lifestyles while they’re kids while hiding from their family and the wider society, telling them they’re gonna be happier this way when it ultimately turns them into degenerates that harm themselves and society as a whole?
Yeah, I guess you’re right.

>>289412678
>Madoka is nothing like the final arc of Sailor Moon
Actually read the manga first before attempting to speak on things you know nothing about zoom-zoom.
>yuribait isn’t real
What is it then?

>>289395044
Good thing Madoka was never for little girl and the author even said he was surprised to see women like it. Madoka was aimed solely towards men, women only get into it for the same reason they get into other male hobbies, to get male attention.

>>289412730
Name one thing the final arc of Sailor Moon has in common with Madoka. Literally fucking nothing. If anything the end of S1 of the anime is closer to it
>What is it then?
Your delusions. Madoka characters were never presented as anything but straight, and there is no ambiguity about that whatsoever. Same goes for the sailor senshi outside of Haruka/Michiru and that’s in great part due to Haruka literally having both sexes in the manga.

>>289412773
>Name one thing the final arc of Sailor Moon has in common with Madoka.
>Sailor Moon = Madoka
>Galaxia = Homura (though Homura & Madoka are more obvious expies of Hotaru & Chibiusa design & relationship wise)
>The Galaxy Cauldron = Kyubey
>Chaos = Entropy
>Cosmos = Godoka
>Sailor Crystals/Star Seeds = Soul Gems
>Stars is the arc we learn where being a Senshi is suffering just like being a Meguca is
>Sailor Moon watches all her friends and loved ones get slaughtered one by one till she’s left standing all alone in the end
S1 of the 90’s anime also has it’s deconstructive elements, but it doesn’t attack the very FOUNDATION of being a Magical Girl/Senshi the way Stars in the manga is which is where Madoka clearly takes it’s inspiration from.
>Madoka characters were never presented as anything but straight, and there is no ambiguity about that whatsoever.
Only Sayaka is, none of the other Megucas even have any boys in their life to say one way or the other, also Homura is clearly outright in love with Madoka if the Rebellion is anything to go by if not the original series itself.
>Same goes for the sailor senshi outside of Haruka/Michiru and that’s in great part due to Haruka literally having both sexes in the manga.
They are all portrayed as bi in the manga (and Hotaru a lesbian) except for Ami & Makoto, but even there Naoko retconned them into being bi for Crystal cause she got the idea from the 90’s anime. Even in the 90’s anime the only truly straight Inner is Minako, though I will admit the yuribaiting is far less egregious there since at least one Inner is presented as unambiguously straight and they don’t go full pedo and yuribait the lolis Chibiusa & Hotaru the way Naoko does.

>>289412773
>Same goes for the sailor senshi outside of Haruka/Michiru and that’s in great part due to Haruka literally having both sexes in the manga.
Troonshit still counts as yuri because most of the yuri audience is comprised of transbians anyways so it simply makes it easier for them to self-insert.

>>289412915
>Sailor Moon = Madoka
All maho shoujo leads are inspired by Usagi
>Galaxia = Homura
What
>The Galaxy Cauldron = Kyubey
>Chaos = Entropy
Insane fucking reach
>Cosmos = Godoka
Because they’re both stronger forms of the mc?
>Sailor Crystals/Star Seeds = Soul Gems
No lmao
>Stars is the arc we learn where being a Senshi is suffering just like being a Meguca is
SM has presented magical girlhood as not being all pink and sweet since the beginning
>Sailor Moon watches all her friends and loved ones get slaughtered one by one till she’s left standing all alone in the end
Which never happened to madoka but to homura
>deconstructive elements
reddit
>none of the other Megucas even have any boys in their life
They do in spinoffs and they talk about boys, there’s also no reason to question their heterosexuality whatsoever
>Homura is clearly outright in love with Madoka
Explicitly not romantic love
>They are all portrayed as bi in the manga (and Hotaru a lesbian)
You’re making shit up
>Naoko retconned them into being bi for Crystal
Take your meds
Outside of Haruka and Michiru all senshi are completely straight
Well not Seiya if you count that

>>289412946
Not troonshit because Haruka is both male and female while troons specifically claim to not be male

I can’t believe Homura was actually an alien magical girl that got possessed by entropy into collecting soul gems from megucas to build an army of zombie megucas she then tried to kill Madoka with

>>289413080
>What
Like Homura Galaxia despises the entire system of the Galaxy Cauldron and Star Seeds and seeks to destroy it, she’s also a Dark Magical Girl. Plus she started out as a weak girl & made herself stronger when she grew jaded with the system, just like Homura.
>insane fucking reach
How so? They both serve the same purpose in showing how the system that creates Senshi & Meguca are both ultimately broken but also are part of a natural occurring sci-fi phenomena.
>No
Why no? Both Sailor Crystal Star Seeds and Soul Gems is what gives a Senshi or Meguca their life force and without it they can’t survive, like Soul Gems Sailor Crystals also can’t be too far away from their Senshi holder or else the Senshi’s body will disintegrate.
>SM has presented magical girlhood as not being all pink and sweet since the beginning
Yes but mostly through external forces, not the very nature of being a Magical Girl which is what the Stars arc tackles.
>Which never happened to madoka but to homura
It happens to Madoka too in the timeline we witness the original 12 episodes in since she loses Mami, Sayaka, and Kyoko.
>Explicitly not romantic love
What kind of love is it if it’s not romantic then? Especially since Homura is portrayed as being very possessive and yandere over Madoka, which is something exclusive to romantic love.
>Take your meds
Watch the Cosmos movies ending and listen to the Crystal image songs
>Outside of Haruka and Michiru all senshi are completely straight
Naoko would disagree with you with her Reinako, Chibitaru, and Haruka/Usagi ships, Usagi herself is for sure canonically bi since she’s shown as being attracted to Haruka and even gets heart-eyes over Rei when she first meets her.

>>289413290
>possessed by entropy
Retarded anime only, Galaxia was never possessed by Chaos in the manga like she was in the anime and was merely pretending to go along with it so she can use and destroy it together with Sailor Moon.

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>>289386950
>muh profound themes
sometimes you just need a beautiful friendship story with top tier direction, music and a batshit insane plot

sayaka will always be best girl btw

>>289395044
>I'm physically incapable of reading sentiments like this and not imagining them being said by a stinky obese fedora neckbeard in dirty clothes watching my little pony on a laptop in public
your opinion on what other people look like is not important, this is a anime and manga board, not gossip, faggot

>t. fitness autist

>>289397814
>>289412711
so the message is actually about doing what your dad tells you lmao

When the fuck is this new movie coming out god damn it's been over 10 years.

Anyway, OP, watch it WITH your girlfriend. Don't mention anything you know about it other than that you'll think she'll like it.

>>289395044
Lol I love not being insecure at all like this guy and op

>>289407091
I need more of this. Go further.

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>>289413380
So because they’re both magical girls that oppose the magical girl system they’re the same character? That’s completely fucking retarded
Especially since their actual actions are nothing like each other. Homura doesn’t want to destroy the system, she doesn’t even think that’s possible, she just wants to save one person from it.
>Both Sailor Crystal Star Seeds and Soul Gems is what gives a Senshi or Meguca their life force and without it they can’t survive
Soul gems are just magical girl souls, and narratively they don’t function like star seeds at all, nobody collects soul gems, and star seeds don’t grow cloudy and need them to kill enemies to survive. You’re comparing two completely different elements from two completely different stories
>Yes but mostly through external forces, not the very nature of being a Magical Girl
I would argue the end of the first arc of the anime was that
>It happens to Madoka too in the timeline we witness the original 12 episodes in since she loses Mami, Sayaka, and Kyoko
Only one of those was someone Madoka knew for a long time, and in fact Madoka was the one who died multiple times timelines after timelines. The one who saw others die over and over is clearly Homura and that’s even pointed out in the show
>What kind of love is it if it’s not romantic then?
Ask the writer or character not me.
>Especially since Homura is portrayed as being very possessive and yandere over Madoka
You’re larping. Homura was never possessive of Madoka, she just wants her to be safe and happy against her sacrificial tendencies. She doesn’t want her "for herself" at all and in the movie she even leaves when she sees her being there is making Madoka remember
>Watch the Cosmos movies ending and listen to the Crystal image songs
Take your meds
>Naoko would disagree with you with her Reinako, Chibitaru, and Haruka/Usagi ships
Meds

>>289413380
>Usagi herself is for sure canonically bi since she’s shown as being attracted to Haruka
She isn’t, Haruka is attracted to her, it’s one sided
>gets heart-eyes over Rei
Watch more anime

>>289413410
That sure makes your comparison less retarded

>>289413550
To be fair that’s the right message to give young women. Especially nowadays.

>>289392334
Forget all other responses. It's all
>AI YO

>>289402763
That megucahood = adulthood larp needs to stop
That kind of posts was never to be seen before covid
Go the fuck back
How is adulthood something that’s hidden from society retard, it’s straight up expected of people, it’s the polar opposite of megucahood which presents itself as an alternative to what’s expected of young girls

>>289413645
>You’re comparing two completely different elements from two completely different stories
Of course it’s not the exact same but one clearly took inspiration from the other
>it’s one sided
One-sided still counts, and besides Usagi DID feel attraction towards Haruka otherwise she wouldn’t have kept having that dream of her kissing her and even feeling guilty with Mamoru over it.
>Watch more anime
Are you that same /pol/tard who’s in denial about Naoko being a yuritard and thinks homosexuality isn’t real and is just a mental illness?

>>289409235
Feminists really are the lowest iq people on earth or at least they’re up there with the climate schizos.
Madoka presents a supernatural solution to the problem by getting rid of the degeneracy while conserving the temporary benefits that inevitably lead to it, but does that mean dooming themselves to becoming witches when such a supernatural option is out of the question is desirable? Of course not, retard.
>while you can say there's a contrived reason for why only girls get offered contracts, that creative choice is an intentional one
BECAUSE IT’S A MAGICAL GIRL SHOW
Uro even said he didn’t even have women in mind when writing. The characters are girls solely because the genre demanded it.
>When Kyoko manifests her divine feminine potential, her father becomes an enforcer of batshit orthodoxy
No, he loses his mind because he finds out his success wasn’t due to his own accomplishments but due to magic. Kyouko says times and times again that her father’s ideology was right. She agrees with his orthodoxy.
Kill yourself faggot

>>289413887
>Of course it’s not the exact same
Or even kind of sorta remotely close for that matter.
>clearly took inspiration
No
>Usagi DID feel attraction towards Haruka otherwise she wouldn’t have kept having that dream of her kissing her and even feeling guilty with Mamoru over it
God forbid a girl thinks back about that time a kiss got forced on her and feels guilty over it as someone’s girlfriend.
>Are you that same /pol/tard who’s in denial about Naoko being a yuritard and thinks homosexuality isn’t real and is just a mental illness?
Do you think everyone who holds those opinions is the same person or comes from a board that is younger than those opinions?

>>289413570
Watch the first couple episodes of Seitokai Yakuindomo or those later episodes of Evangelion. Those are among the few times that girls being on the rag are a part of the plot, but they don't go into detail.

>>289413887
>Are you that same /pol/tard who’s in denial about Naoko being a yuritard and thinks homosexuality isn’t real and is just a mental illness?
Stop noticing patterns and the autistic behavior of certain anons!

>>289386950
Anything I like is intellectual. Therefore it's intellectual.

>>289387124
>If you are not you can still enjoy his plot.
There is no plot, it's villain of the week shit for like 10 episodes and then 2 episodes of what the series is actually about (homura timeloop)

>>289413991
>Do you think everyone who holds those opinions is the same person or comes from a board that is younger than those opinions?
Are you going to pretend to be "people" now?

It's not profound it's just emotionally engaging

>>289386950
It's about lesbian witches fighting the patriarchy, it's profound and woke. Your girlfriend would probably like it

>>289392334
Lesbians can just do that

Thread became very shaky all of a sudden…

>>289396799
how will madokafags ever recover

>>289392334
Akuhomu basically puts the world in a Witch Barrier in which human Madoka is now a part. In the same way Madoka making her wish at the end of TV takes full advantage of her karmic weight, Homu Witching Out then AI YOing through it takes advantage of hers'.

>>289414229
It was already shaky.

>>289414305
Nah

>>289414229
in what sense...?

>>289414333
In the sense that a shaky buttplug user seems to have entered it

>>289413168
>>289413800
Should we invite this aidoru asshat here? I think we are going to have fun with him

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I guess Homura's love was so strong she suddenly didn't need prescription glasses anymore
This whole "I time looped a bunch of time now my Karmic Weight is enough to become GOD" nonsense just to keep raising and raising the stakes, like any garde-variety shounen shitshow for that matter, is so cheap I don't know how anyone can attempt to defend it
Just enjoy your meguca suffering hidoi hidoi torture porn show with high-budget without sniffing your own farts. Is that so hard?

>>289414420
She healed her eyes with magic
Also nobody is defending steins gate

>>289414411
How do we do that?

>>289414420
Steins;Gate will always be shit