One Piece>known for the interesting worldbuilding, ongoing to this day, beloved series, loyal and dedicated fanbase, theorycrafting, has the most successful live action adaption due to Eiichiro Oda giving a shit Bleach>gets more anime adaptation after it ended, new arcs, new characters, Kubo has also managed to write a good series after the initial release of Bleach, and Bleach has a well-received fighting game released recentlyNaruto>Known for the homoerotic relationship between the protagonist and the rival, worldbuilding is a joke, the ending was a complete mess that everyone laughs at even to this day because it was so bad, sequel so bad that looks like shit and the characters looks like hookers and parodies of Araki's characters, Kishimoto's other project is so trash that you can't finish 2 chapters and the protagonist is a cripple gamer that meets mickey mousecan we agree that from the "Big 3" Naruto is a fucking joke and it doesn't deserve the spot at all?
>>289504639Didn't readShill your noname clickbait "news" site elsewhere, thirdworlder
Ok. Why shill some news site for free, though?
>>289504639Kishi has easily the worst aesthetic sense if the three.
>>289504639The Big 3 is a historical milestone. Three very long and popular manga series, all running simultaneously in Jump. That's where the name comes from, not because they're good—everyone knows Bleach and Naruto are garbage. If the Big 3 were based solely on quality, there wouldn't be battle shonen, and if it were only based on battle shonen, none of the current members would be an option. Zoomers really believe they are called the Big 3 because they're good kek
>>289505672that does not contradict the OP bro, you're trying to sound smart but failed... there is no statement of what Big 3 means
>>289504639>can we agree that from the "Big 3" Naruto is a fucking joke and it doesn't deserve the spot at all?No. One Piss is
>>289504639Yes. Naruto was only popular with kids because it was Harry Potter with ninjas.
>>289504639>One Piece>known for [...] loyal and dedicated fanbaseWut? One Piece's international fanbase pretty much only started existing after all the tourists consumed it during covid lockdowns, it is by far the most flaky fanbase, made of streamers that didn't watch other anime.>theorycraftingall of the three had it, but OP is the only one still ongoing, so obviously people won't speculate the ending as much for things that already ended.>any praise for the live-action at allopinion discarded, you are worse than dubfags if you watch western live-actions.>due to Eiichiro Oda giving a shitnot an argument, go watch Naruto filler if you think the author greenlighting shit makes a difference in it not being slop.>Bleach has a well-received fighting gameNaruto had several, not that this is in any way, shape or form related to the quality of the manga.>characters looks like hookersApplies to all 3.>Kishimoto's other projectNeither of the other 2 had good side-projects.>can we agree that from the "Big 3" Naruto is a fucking joke and it doesn't deserve the spot at all?You don't know what being fro the "Big 3" entail. It's like saying "Christian Laettner shouldn't be considered part of the 1992 olympic dream team, we should put LeBron there instead". It's historical revisionism, like >>289505672 mentioned.
>>289505751kill yourself zoomer, thats what the term means. if you think naruto or bleach are good you are retarded and your opinion is worthless, you cant change the meaning of anything
I mean he wanted Naruto to be a literal fox. You need 10 editors to tardwrangle him
>>289504639>and it doesn't deserve the spot at all?It sold a ton at the same time as the other two, which sold a ton at the same time, so yeah it does. That's all le Big 3 has ever been
>>289504639>naruto ended 12 (twelve) years ago>onepiecefags still haven't grown out of their inferiority complex
>>289505869retard no one said that big 3 means good. It was about Naruto being the worst of the big 3 and that it doesn't deserve the popularity, why are you so dumb?
>>289505912stupid zoomer tourist
>>289504639>one piecewas genuinely magical during its peak pre-timeskip, romance dawn, romance soul.ennies lobby was the last 100% sovl arc, thriller bark has a mixture of soul and unsouleverything afterwards from that point is worthless, a lost vision>bleachnice art, some nice fightsif kubo could go back in time and write the manga with both a clearer purpose and stronger understanding of the lore and worldbuilding he wants it could reach new heights
>>289505935>onepiecefags started loving it 5 years agoIs it hiatus week? Why are hiatus manga fans so annoying?
>>289505953>thinking that popularity is related to quality
Naruto did only two things well: cool powers and realistically retarded female characters (also redpilled about old "people").
>>289505980you can't read
>>289504639>gets more anime adaptation after it endedNigga the Bleach anime got canceled due to low ratings and sales it coming back a decade later doesnt mean anything especially when its trailing behind everything >Kubo has also managed to write a good series after the initial release of BleachBurn the Witch? The absolute nothing spin off of Bleach where he only wrote two volumes and bounced?>Bleach has a well-received fighting game released recentlyReally scraping to the bottom of the bottom of barrel huh? Also ot was arena fighter slop that floppedAlso you didn't mention that Bleach also had a live action adaptation why is that?
>>289505852>Harry Potter announces new series>Naruto begins casting the actors for the live action moviecoincidence?
>>289505992BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPseethe harder Jeremy lmao
>>289505751I does, OP goes>can we agree that from the "Big 3" Naruto is a fucking joke and it doesn't deserve the spot at all?Correlating quality with being in the big 3, and saying Nardo doesn't deserve to be in the big 3, despite being the biggest show when the term big 3 was relevant.
>>289505964how ironic
>>289504639Bleach? Best animanga.
>>289506112Now post the popularity polls when naruto was airing. Go, I dare you.
>>289506117popularity =/= quality. Big 3 = most popular. Naruto = doesn't deserve the popularity. Deserving popularity has nothing to do with quality.
>>289506175>Deserving popularity has nothing to do with quality.Then why doesn't Nardo deserve the popularity? No true argument other than quality was given. OP absolutely argued that deserving popularity was tied to quality, he tried so hard to lie about the other 2 having more quality.
>>289506112>reddit>mal
wan piss, narushit and blech. all garbage for kids, grow up
>>289505605Which can be measured by the amount of semen demons in each manga and naruto being dwarved in comparison.
>>289504639Even the premise is wrong because Kishimoto hasn't written anything else after Naruto. Boruto is not by him, it's practically a fanfic.
>>289504639Bleach got axed.
>>289506297So did Zombiepowder, Kubo's first manga
>>289506245Nah, he did that one samurai series.
>>289506297>this meme again
Naruto and Bleach are both failed shows. Every with an ounce of taste acknowledges their endings as bad. Any place that holds community aggregate scores has them reviewed much lower than One Piece. One Piece IP is also getting brand deals, TCG's, LA adaptions, restaurants, baseball nights, and movies.
>>289506378>One Piece IP is also getting brand deals, TCG's, LA adaptions, restaurants, baseball nights, and movies.That means it's good!
It means it's relevant. Also, again, you ignored how every place on the internet that holds scores reviews the One Piece manga higher than any other Shonen besides JoJo Part 7.
>>289504639The problem of Naruto is specifically Part 2. You can CLEARLY tell Kishimoto just gave up on world building, planning the story, giving characters interesting things to do or even developing them socially. When Part 2 started Kishimoto gave up on all of it and just concentrated solely on the narrative, racing through it with barely any time to truly breathe or let the characters develop.His imagination seriously waned and he just stuck to what mattered until he could end it with very little intent to improve on anything.He probably could have continued for 300+ more chapters, but he just got lazier and lazier the more the plot got convoluted and events spiraled out of control.
>>289506469Are we supposed to pretend that Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke are well written characters with good character development? Because that's a fucking lie and delusional. Character writing for most characters is the biggest sin he committed.
>>289506112Yes, the big 3 are popular with kids. No surprise there.
Forever unequivocally based and absolutely correct the entire time as well.If Kishimoto had the stones or the patience or the retrospect, he would have contradicted or corrected Neji's entire ultimatum a long time ago. But he never did and he forgot all about it.
One Piece won 20 years ago.
>>289504639bleached>nart>wan piss
>>289506613Your slop show got canceled and they had to beg a decade later to finish the final arc up. Bleach failed worse than Naruto.
>>289505972nah, hiatus x hiatus started releasing chapters 4 weeks ago.
>>289505966
I was never a narutard, but I think naruto from an aesthetic point of view was superior to Bleach and Oneshit.I'm heavily filtered by Oneshit style and Bleach seems boring to me, seems to lean even more heavy into shonen territory than naruto.But yeah, Boruto was a disgrace that should never have happened. Worse than fanfiction.
Hunter x Hunter mogs the 3 troonslops
One Piece doesn't have good worldbuilding, it's simply created thr illusion of a big world by going on for hundreds of chapters
>>289506214Something being for kids has zero effect on its quality, retard
>>289505672AI
>>289506507Naruto and Sasuke are well developed, yes. The problem is that everyone else isn't. Which in turn drags Naruto and Sasuke down because the world around them is just window dressing.
>>289506613Bleach was cancelled for a Rock Lee spinoff.
>>289505966>everything afterwards from that point is worthless, a lost visionSabaody is after Enies Lobby though.
>>289507077Naruto is a cringe lord from start to finish. Sasuke is an emo edge lord from start to finish. Get some taste.
>>289504639One Piece is easily the worst given that it was the only one I dropped
>>289507077>Naruto and Sasuke are well developed, yes.I found their friendship in the manga to be hard to believe, which made the emotional core of the majority of the manga feel very hollow to me. Kishimoto seems to think that shared trauma is the same as friendship.
Big 3 is indeed a bit of a misnomer, Naruto was always leaps and bounds ahead of the others and it took One Piece a decade to catch up to where Naruto left off. Bleach is barely even in the running.
>>289507226>Naruto was always leaps and bounds ahead of the othersYet when you actually get the cock out your eyes and ass, there's no data to back this up.
>>289504639>just ignore that the Bleach anime was canceled for almost 10 years Hahaha
it takes some real hack talent to have a character like this in your story and do absolutely fucking nothing with her for 20+ years
>>289507268When I was 8 years old in 2008, my mommy let me watch Naruto on TV and I never enjoyed watching wan piss and blech.
>>289507226lol. lmfao. one piece was ALWAYS bigger than naruto. maybe you were only focused on your favela?
>>289507326based
>>289504639the only one that doesnt deserve the spot is bleach. but the big three isnt real anyways, japan has the big 6. the legendary shonen jump manga that created a enormous print in japan and naruto is there. cope some more. even if his samurai manga flopped, he still created naruto
>>289507393Bro they canceled the Bleach anime for almost 10 years. Of course it wasn't as popular as the other series.
>>289507393bruh is that demon slayer? the legendary shonen jump series? LMAO
>>289507421>Of course it wasn't as popular as the other series.op was miles ahead of both naruto and bleach, not just bleach. but naruto had worldwide popularity which oda was jealous of. OP had the sales, naruto had the worldwide popularity, what did bleach have to put it in their ranks?
>>289507452>he doesnt know about demon slayers sales which are pretty much an anomaly do you not know how big it was in japan?
>>289507173Naruto and Sasuke both change a lot as characters throughout the story.
There was never a "Big 3", Bleach was never anywhere close to the other two.
>>289507534You're fighting against a historical narrative that will never be overturned. It was in third place but it was the Big Three. This thread coping and seething won't change that
>>289507462Literally nothing, Bleach is full of boring designs. Ichigo is just boring looking Naruto.
>>289507565>historical narrativeonly relevant to NA really
>>289507519Nah, Naruto is still a cringe-sad boy for most of the manga with his gay "believe it!" line. Sasuke is a sad-emo faggot throughout the whole show. Naruto instantly loses to something like OP because of character writing, without even getting into world building, plot progression, symbolism and foreshadowing.
>>289507611You didn't read the manga. Naruto is a very positive and optimistic character for most of it.
>>289504639The worldbuilding is shit in all 3.
>>289507657No, I unfortunately didn't read it from 2006-2015 and I regret it
>>289507674You haven't read One Piece if you say this.
Naruto had okay worldbuilding at the start, the problem is that almost all of it was dropped.
>>289507452anon it has 220 million in sales with just 23 volumes. there are 24 manga that have 100million+ in sales, and only 4 stayed below 30 volumes.
>>289504639>Bleach has a well-received fighting game released recentlyThat game was not well received at all. It was fucking broken garbage. >Kubo has also managed to write a good series after the initial release of Bleach,BtW was only 4 chapters and it wasn’t very good.
Bleach shitters trying to slide into the position of second least embarrassing of the big 3
>>289507452the delusions of amerifat social media chimpanzees are amazing
>>289504639>gets more anime adaptation after it endedAn anime adaptation that has fans divided. Even now they're bitching that cour 4 is just 10 episodes instead of 13, and all the new animeonly additions have been sparse throughout the last three cours. It hasn't been some horrible adaptation, but I think a lot of people expected more new content since the final arc needs a lot of rewriting especially the last few volumes and I think they expected more SAKUGA. Naruto was popular enough to get a couple of films along with the light novel contents animated, Bleach won't be getting any of that despite there being 4 volumes that take place after the nazi arc.
>>289507491>>289507757>>289507845Sales will never reveal how great something is. The fact that single moms buy it to put on the walls of their house doesn't mean shit.
>>289507706I chose to cut my losses and move on.
>>289507957bleach chimps are really something
>>289507674there's a bigger problem if the worldbuilding sucks in Naruto because a big part of the plot is political issues and the characters act like inter-state hatred is at the root of their conflict. Kubo never acted like there is a complicated world out there when Ichigo wants to save his friends with a big sword
>>289506967Naruto is unironically the most heterosexual shounen. Every character is in a heterosexual relationship and every character are only two genders: male, femaleWan Piss has an entire island just for trannies, SHITch has a tranny that /dbs/ uses for shitposting and Homo x Homo has a tranny plot device
Was it ever explained how the shinobi society that is supposed to hard to get promoted out of junior baby "fetch the cat from the tree" rank suddenly has 80k soldiers ready for war?
>>289508257In times of war, armies conscript able-bodied citizens to protect their country.
>>289504639>Bleach>new arcsWhat new arcs?
>>289508291I guess but in real life its usually cannon fodder vs cannon fodderNot cannon fodder vs ninja gods and their clones
>>289508177naruto and sasuke are gay
>>289507328>favelaNaruto isn't the series with a brazilian MC, you're thinking of One Piece.
bleach and naruto both have their ups and downs but the downs are lot more visible with bleach and the endings are very different. when it came to naruto, we finally got to see him as the hokage which was his goal from the very start and kishimoto went with the pairings that made most fans happy. the bleach ending leaves out a bunch of characters and their fates (wheres urahara? where yoruichi? wheres isshin? wheres grimmjow? etc), doesnt tell us what ichigo does for a living (kubo only confirms his job in the hell oneshot that came out years after the final chapter), and he went with the pairings no one really cared for (though they picked up in popularity through these years). plus bleach ends with yhwach still being a threat only to be destroyed by some toddler? no one really knows what kazui did there so it just left us with wayyyy more questions than the naruto ending
>>289507534Bleach is the biggest actually.
>>289504639At the time the Big 3 were relevant Naruto mogged Bleach. History has absolved bleach tho.
>>289509167>we finally got to see him as the hokagelmao this does not happen in the manga
>>289504639Shonen is garbage in general, no matter how many kids and retards get into it.I regret wasting time on naruto and bleach, and one piss is such repulsive shit I didn't even bother checking it out (same as boruto).
Hint status?
If you look at how many series have been inspired by the three then Bleach was the most popular and most successful. Warm Piss hasn’t inspired anything.
WHY OH WHY did they tease these characters??Did Kubo just kinda forget??I need my twin tails one eye psycho fuck you,kubo...Brown tomboy isn't too shabby either
>>289506837Then OPfags are eating worse than hiatus x hiatus fags this week. No wonder the posting quality went down, they don't have 15 pages of nothing to masturbate over.
>>289504639I wish I failed as hard as Kishimoto, I'd be filthy rich while barely doing anything.
>>289509491Shonen is not a genre, it's a demographic.
this thread is so pointless just look up the real numbers https://ultimatepopculture.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises
>>289510656>Fucking Thomas the tank engine and Sesame Street make more money than bleach ultra kek.
>>289504639>One pieceDidn't get cancelled >NarutoDidn't get cancelled >BleachCancelledHmmmm
>>289504639Nardo's pre timeskip was so good it carried it all the way to the end of the series and when it was over people started realizing it was trash all along
>>289510756Well, to be fair, Thomas and Friends has mass appeal to both kids and adults unlike Bleach lol
>>289504639>loyal and dedicated fanbaseI love One Piece, but the fanbase is the worst thing about the series. Whenever I go into places to discuss One Piece, I rarely feel like I’m among people who actually like the series; it happens here with the /a/ threads and pretty much everywhere else. There’s a lot of cynicism and negativity that I don’t see in other fanbases. Naruto and Bleach may have all the flaws you want, but at least the fans seem to genuinely love those series.
>>289509425read that final chapter again anon
>>289507962Then, you missed out, I guess. Oda shouldn't have dragged his heels with the current reveals.
>>289505992>Nigga the Bleach anime got canceled due to low ratingsIncorrect. The Bleach anime was canceled because the staff was sick of creating filler arcs to buy time for more chapters of the manga to release. All of the big three anime received filler but only the staff working on Bleach put their foot down and said enough.
>>289511662Yeah, sounds about right.
>>289512418ironic. Isn't the bleach filler well remembered for fixing Orihime? I remember people praised it more than the other two at least
>>289508177>Naruto is unironically the most heterosexual shounenNaruto had a tranny who was praised by Naruto himself as prettier than the main heroine.
>>289512526Haku was a cute guy and he never identified as female
>>289511662it wasn't like this 8 years ago.
>>289512883>a cute guy>who wears lipstick and women's clotheslmao
>>289504639I loved Bleach until the last arc. Fucking horrible.
>>289512975>lipsticknot canon>women's clotheshe was a rogue ninja working as an assassin for gangs
>>289504639He would have gone down as one of the greats if he just retired, and left his success at Naruto. The problem was he gave the awfuk Naruto sequel the green light, and he had a large presence on the failure that was Samurai 8.
Decided to do some research into OP's "news site">Site name claimed in 2019 via wordpress, hosted in philippines>Owner unknown>Original articles were genuine anime and manga news without bias>Gained a very small following but didn't survive financially>Got bought out in late 2025>New owner, a "John", and server hosts both located in Russia>Reporting is mixed, with some unbiased reporting, and some with subtly implied political points, most commonly used word is "woke">Has grown like 3x in site impressions and traffic compared to the original, but still a small following compared to medium sites
>>289513083>I'm a rogue ninja, that's why I have to wear women's kimonos and skirts so my ass is available to any man like the little slut that I amDude, Naruto is gay as hell and pretending otherwise just makes you look retarded.
>>289504639I refuse to believe anybody still reads or watches these shows. Within my first 2 years of watching subbed anime I moved on from battle manga adaptations made for submental teens and that was over 15 years ago. There's so much good anime out there and you still choose to waste your time on this dreck?At least Bleach girls look good and Kubo has a sense for aesthetic but the content of these manga is not fit for any human with a fully formed frontal lobe. I seriously doubt there's anything worthwhile past the first 60 eps of Naruto and first 150 of One Piece which were all I could stomach. That's time I could have spent watching 10-15 complete and worthwhile anime. Meanwhile Bleach I didn't make it further than 10 episodes.
LEGO ONE PIECE TRAILER IS OUThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFZ5HW-LRZIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFZ5HW-LRZIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFZ5HW-LRZI
>>289513290classicI remember one, I think it was Sankaku Complex, that tried to twist the words of one of Toriyama's assistants to imply he hates the Saudi Arabia (what Japanese person even gives a shit?). At a point it stops being about manga since the culture war gets clicks.
>>289513357>usopp without a nosecursed
>>289513355The age of show's target audience affects absolutely nothing, anyone who uses that as an argument is a fucking retard
>>289513382I think shitaku is still owned by the same loser as before, but ever since Artifact realized he wasn't getting a cute JK gf in Japan when he lived there for 3 months or whatever it was back in very early 2010s, He shifted from being pro japan news to anti japan news when it's not about anime or manga (and even then it's usually ladled with muh woke muh westoids LOST). Then came the "ebin" culture war where multiple of these bloggers went full on culture war retarded (like oneangrygamer site) because it gets click and it aligns with their personal views. Suddenly unbiased and neutral reporting went out the window.
>>289513395I think the Hollywood directors were afraid of Usopp being called a racist caricature, or maybe even a jewish caricature kek. Plus it would just look odd as fuck in live action. That said they did give Brogy an unnatural big ass nose, and not giving Sanji his twirly eyebrows are the biggest mistakes though
>>289513357Why are One Piece females so fucking ugly?Is Oda allergic to making attractive characters?
>>289512962Yeah, it was more enjoyable to be an OP fan back in the Dressrosa era and before. The series might have been much less popular back then than it is now (outside of Japan, of course), but the atmosphere within the fanbase was better.
>>289513501I think any other nose would have made Ussop look more like an actual racist caricature, the long nose just makes him look like a silly/funny drawing.
>>289504639Didn't watch either of these dogshit retard shows not even a second
>>289512418No, it was cancelled due to low ratings. I forgot the website since it's been years, but Bleach ratings were lower than Naruto ones during the Fullbringer arc. Someone anon linked the jp website years ago in a Bleach thread.
>>289513017The last arc is like a third part of the whole manga's duration
All he had to do was not make Boruto. Naruto and especially Shippuden may have a lot of problems, but by the end and after The Last people were reasonably satisfied with the ending and with Naruto finally achieving his dream. All he had to do was leave it at that, or if he HAD to make Boruto then holy shit he could at least not have crapped all over the original cast.
>>289504639
I fucking hate westerners so much
>>289506967Lol this. HxH mogs the ever living fuck out of all three of these in terms of quality. Well I haven't watched OP but I highly doubt it's as good and consistent overall
>>289513932Why doesn't Luffy fill Nami like a turkey? Is he gay?
>>289515466Way too focused on silly pirate adventures right now. Give him a couple more years and I'm sure he'll be interested in trying new things.
>>289504639as a hunterCHAD, i am here to laugh, chortle and cackle at a onepissfag doubled with a bleachfag snobbing a work that is no different
>>289513123>>289514463You are also not going to lie to yourself if kishimoto pulls back and says yea no more boruto and produces a part 3 after Shippuden it wouldnt knock down OP ??similar to how HunterxHunters comeback volume 39 gave OP a run for its money.
>>289516454It's too late to roll back the ay lmao plotline naruto and sasuke are literal gods unless you add world building to create uber enemies of some sort and new conflicts.
>>289506967>>289507018trvke comboone piece's "world" is just a series of disconnected theme parks
>>289515110Naruto has one thing over Homo x Homo that puts it a league above it no matter how much the obese fans hype up their favorite pseudo-LNNaruto has an endingHomo x Homo will never end, it's "Potential Man: Manga Edition"
>>289504639Bleach never had even close to the popularity of the other two
>>289505672One Piece fandom is all tourist from the past 5 years
>>289518003Yeah blame people like Ludwig and CDawgVA
>>289514232Maybe both are true? Maybe it was cancelled because of the staff not wanting to do more filler and the ratings being generally low (probably *because* of said filler)
>>289509958Basically this. Like, yeah, he wrote 2 manga series and the second one really flopped but compared to 99% of mangaka he's living the dream. Patrick fucking Rothfuss wishes he could be as much of a failure as Kishimoto.
>>289513357>OPLAHARD PASS NIGGA
>>289505605Part 1 Nardo had great aesthetics. It went down hill after part 2 became a dedicated story board for the anime.
>>289504639Kishimoto writes homokino.
Naruto makes more money than the other 2 put together from that dumb Chink gacha game.
>>289513083>straightwashing Haku, who is completely devoted to a man, compliments his body and has a flirty impunity instead of behaving as a subordinatelmao
>>289520600>straightwashingGo back to plebbit, faggot
>>289520986No one will ever believe that Haku is not gay.
>>289504639Bleach had both its manga and anime cancelled. It took all of its noteworthy contemporaries to receive a complete adaption and finish before it resurfaced recently.
>>289506128Lmao
>>289516580Excepting the part about HxH beating anything, it's still shit anon, just because OP is shittier does not mean HxH is not fucking garbage.
>>289523139And its no wonder - people like to rewrite history, but every new chapter of Bleach beginning from the Fake Karakura Arc was met with derision and mocked regularly. The writing was abysmal all the way to the end. Nowadays everything is called peak
>>289524086Bleach was made fun here every week for a decade and I still remember the meltdowns when the anime was confirmed to be Cancelled, let alone the Manga. Every single week people bitched that absolutely nothing happened. The lile fight was like 3 fucking months itself. The anime is condensing this shit with 9 chapters in episodes, literally 2-3 months worth of chapters, and still adding 5 minutes of new slop per episode despite that. Bleach Manga was fucking garbage weekly. Reading it in quick succession is frankly I assume every different, and the anime is well done, so the peak retards just don't understand. It is impossible to explain 6 months of one page of the Gerard fight every single fucking week just for him to get off screened. People say the Manga endingwwas rushed but kubo wasted like 10 months on absolutely nothing before offscreening everything important. Nobody cared aboit 3 months of Lile. Then we get one chapter of Ywhach. Lmfao. The anime isn't going to fix anything about some of this. People act like some of this shit is rushed when it's theeexact opposite. There is just no fucking substance. The anime will fix hashwalt and a few other things that were for sure products of being axed but it's clear kubo wanted Squad 0 to be offscreen. He wanted everything up until the final aushwalen to be exactly as it was. Or he wouldn't have wanted a fourth of the year on it. Retards. But the anime ten years later this doesn't matter. So I see both sides. And bleach is somehow better than most current shit despite being trash that I laughed at being Cancelled (twice) back then.
I don't think most people really appreciated Bleach until it ended. It's not without plenty of faults, but trying to read anything else in JUMP post 2016 is unbearable. Not to say that sharts like MHA/JJK/CSM existing suddenly makes Bleach a 9/10, but we didn't know what we had til it was gone
>>289524574Naruto was better and I don’t even particularly like Naruto. I think Bleach should have ended sooner.
>>289504639Kishimoto was the only self-taught non-professional among those people. Basically, he was never all that good at drawing, which is why Naruto's art collapsed so dramatically. It's no wonder he couldn't come up with anything outside the scope of his original idea for Naruto.
>>289504639As always Bleach has the most bland description out of all three. It's better to be bad than forgettable.
Bleach is one of the worst written shounen titles i've seen. Kubo is an amazing designer but by the gods he's a terrible writer. Not even shitty Naruto is as bad as that manga.
>>289504639Kishimoto really should have leaned on Togashi for inspiration. The Naruto world has so much potential to be expanded upon but his worldbuilding is so nonsensical and lame.
>>289506850It's a crazy thought that someone would dislike Enies Lobby and say the exact same shit people say about the time-skip arcs but there you go
>>289511662I genuinely don't think anyone hates the Naruto series more than Naruto fans.
>>289516625Naruto is a direct copy of hxh.Gon= naruto free spirit motivational talkerkurapika= sasuke clan survivor with eyehaxleorio= saukra healer and comedic relief killua=kakashi assasin with white hair Hisoka=orochimaru creepy pedo villain.Hunter exam =chunnin examNen=chakra
>>289505992>Burn the Witch? The absolute nothing spin off of Bleach where he only wrote two volumes and bounced?It's also the series that silenced the "Kubo can't write women" retards and is well liked enough to have gotten an anime and is generally well liked.Compare that to nobody giving a shit about Samurai 8 and Boruto being a joke.
>>289504639Didn't read, Kishimoto is the most talent artist out of them all, he consistently drew such good artwork on a weekly basis, you could genuinely say he is on par with Inoue and Miura
>>289512526haku lasted like 4 chapters and was a crossdresser if anything. one shit and bitch have troons that IDENTIFY as female and have insanely long screentime
>>289508177To be fair, One Piece depicts trannies realistically, trannies IRL do not look like Haku ever
>>289508177>Naruto >heterosexual
>>289526741>you could genuinely say he is on par with Inoue and MiuraAre you gonna post anything to actually prove your point, narutard? It had good art, but it wasn't exceptional.
>>289526741Naruto part 1 is good but he failed in shippuden. OP is falling in that same direction with odas exhaustion.
>>289526741>you could genuinely say he is on par with Inoue and MiuraHahaha, no
>>289526922OP is genuinely too long at this point. There's really no defending what a fucking mess it is now.
>>289527188How is length an issue? Asking sincerely.
>>289527199We dont know shit about the VC after 20+ years of circulation
>>289527474And? How is LENGTH an issue? Your complaint is related to your desire for information on a specific topic.
The Big 3 = Bleach, Naruto, and One PieceThe Big 2 = Bleach, and One PieceThe Big 1 = Bleach
>>289526922I was talking about the artwork in Naruto, his art just kept getting better and better, the story divides a lot, some posers like just regurgitate whatever they hear from youtubers and whatnot, i believe it's a good manga from start to finish
>>289504639>One Piss>Not garbageTI's shit.
>>289527704>Dude, tubes!! I love Akira so much bros!! look at the cool art and stop questioning the world of ninja and how nothing makes sense in it. One conversation with Naruto and his ideology is completely obliterated by the words of a dumb teenager
>>289527199Because it continually inflates the cast and requires the stakes to be continually increased, to the point of removing the suspension of disbelief. Oda doesn't deviate from the same basic formula every rc, it's just retreading scenes to hit same tired emotional "rollercoaster"(is that a heckin princess CRYING!???). Notice no one really gives a shit that G5 Luffy just got stabbed through the chest. We've seen this same fucking thing so many times that I just rolled my eyes when I saw the panel. If it didn't have an overarching story with a specific endgame goal and numerous characters requiring a resolution to their own arcs, the length wouldn't be as much of an issue, but it's not a fucking 4koma. It's spread itself too thin to satisfactorily conclude it all now, and there's a good chance Oda will die before finishing the series (despite having 30 fucking years already). Also, every single editor Oda has ever had is either spineless or incompetent (probably both given how Japanese businessmen are).
>>289527764Napoleon with a single speech gathered all the brigades that were positioned to stop his insurgency, that's who Naruto is.
>>289527764>One conversation with Naruto and his ideology is completely obliterated by the words of a dumb teenagerKek. This was probably the dumbest shit I've ever seen in any shounen series ever. I was actually in disbelief to see things conclude just because an idiot like Narruto trotted out a few cliche aphorisms.
>>289527830So your problem is that the story follows a formula. This still doesn't say anything about why the length is a problem.You're getting so flustered I don't feel like talking to you anymore though so let's just agree that you don't have a problem with the length in the first place, okay champ?
>>289505605One Piece has no aesthetics
>>289527932I literally just explained it to you, you insufferable moron.
>>289527941Marine uniforms though
Søybøys really struggle to understand this but charisma beats ''logic'', a charismatic leader can change the opinion of a spineless faggot who wants to condemn the world cause a girl who never liked him died or something, charisma IRL changes everything, it's not about words or a speech
>>289528021Naruto is an annoying faggot though
>>289528032He was voted as a leader of a nation by a landslide, the hidden leaf disagrees with you
The biggest problem with Naruto is that the story pretends that Naruto and Sasuke are friends, but they are never shown to be friends. They are rivals at best, and they both had a traumatic childhood. Having similar trauma does not make you friends though. And yet the entire emotional core of Naruto part 1 is that they are supposed to be friends (they are not), and the entirety of part 2 builds upon that hollow core.>>289527764I honestly never had problems with most talk no jutsus.
>>289504639Only one relevant and respected in 2026 is One Piece.
>>289504639Narukeks…
all mogged by NuBig 3
>>289527188>>289527830so your argument basically boils down to not having bullet points that you can fill into a wikipedia section, is that what I'm understanding? You're so focused on the end point that your blind to the journey you're currently on. What an absolute awful way to appreciate art.
>>289528329The cultural impact of the series leaves something to be desired
>>289505859> Wut? One Piece's international fanbase pretty much only started existing after all the tourists consumed it during covid lockdowns, it is by far the most flaky fanbase, made of streamers that didn't watch other anime.Kek’d, can’t out yourself as a braindead newfag faster. OP will always be more successful than your favorite mango. Whine more.
>>289505859>Wut? One Piece's international fanbase pretty much only started existing after all the tourists consumed it during covid lockdowns,Are you American by any chance?
>>289528440Good porn though.
>>289528329Chainsaw man is the only good one
>>289528329>naruto cape faggotry clone numebr 1>naruto clone number 2 gone full retard>naruto clone number three drenched in 2 pints of whisky testosterone and a pinch of cocaine.
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>>289529479JJK is inspired by Bleach
>>289528448>>289528497>samefagging this hard>while being this wrongCovid was the first time wanpiss could compete with Nardo worldwide, it was only comparable to it in Japan before it.>more successful than your favorite mangoOf course it will, just like mumble rap is more successful than my favorite band, or how the NBA is more successful than One Piece. Success is not a measure of anything but marketability. Still, Getter Robo G, or Dynamic Pro in general, heavily influenced Oda.
>>289504639Kishimoto is a hack
>>289504639>theorycraftingMost OP theories are just "is this guy related to this other guy?" and they all suck ass.
>>289529582A group of three people an exam , nature and divine sorcery, a boy with a demon inside of him its all naruto coded anon.
>>289504639Naruto was reigned in hard by the editorsBut then the new series must have had Kishi surrounded by yesmen who thought his success was his own.
>>289526741miura was better at drawing monstrosities than at drawing humans. inoue isn't overhyped at all though. moreover it feels like kishi drew significant inspiration from inoue. i always thought the dynamic between naruto and sasuke is literally the same as that between sakuragi and rukawa. event the comedic art is highly similar if not the same.
>>289531128even*
>>289504639Naruto didn't need to be good and only had to make people emotional and it did. The show is filled with revenge fantasy edgelords and unnecessary love triangles who only exist to make you feel a certain way. Sad flashback after sad flashback, everyone is just misunderstood or taken out by asspulls if they don't. However the flashbacks and villains in Naruto do feel more genuine than in One Piece since they all seem to represent different stages ijn Kishimotos depression and inferiority compex.
>>289505672One Piece isn't good either, it was good for the first half and then became shit. Bleach was never good. Naruto was good until the Chuunin exams.
>>289528329All three of these are bad compared to Kagurabachi.Chainsawman was carried hard by his assistant being the Dandadan author, who did all the good art. The writing sucks.MHA is good until All Might gets written out and then Deku remembers he can use his legs to kick things and gets 7 quirks. It's written horribly and is exemplified by Deku going 'I should save the mass murderer whose power can literally only be used to kill people instead of just killing him and saving everyone a lot of trouble'.JJK is mediocre throughout and written very poorly, it relies entirely on 'aura farming hype moments' that are forgotten about as quickly as the author thought of them.
>>289529444Trips of truth CSM Part 1 is genuinely the best Jump manga of the last 10 years
>>289531558Because kagurabachi much like ichi the witch has good plot and good art work
>>289531678No, it really is not. Denji is a bad protagonist, the plot sucks, and it is devoid of any real meaning
>>289506245He wrote Samurai8, which despite the name branding, Jump killing everything else besides it to try and keep it alive, STILL ended at like 25 chapters.
>>289531872>25 chapters.Really? I remember it going for at least a year…
