>>289788266
The innability to see oneself as the problem in that situation. The hubris of Asuka.

>>289788266
I don't know, but people who don't commit can't love another for sure.

>>289788331
It isn't hubris. It is the only way Asuka has to protect herself after Shinji destroyed her

>>289788368
Shinji didn't destroy her. Asuka had it in her mind that she only had any value as Eva pilot. When inevitably she fell short of being an ace pilot, it destroyed her ego. But it was ego built on tenous premesis, it was bound to collapse sooner or later.

>>289788368
>It isn't hubris
Asuka's whole character is pride and pure narcissism.
>It is the only way Asuka has to protect herself
From what? The consequences of her own actions?

>>289788368
>It's the fault of Shinji if he is a better Eva pilot and doesn't appreciate her rude behavior.
>Shinji tried many times to be friendly and the bitch always treated him like shit.

>>289788266
Accessorising someone is not love

>>289788409
It wasn't just her ego. Shinji didn't just fail to save her, he actively validated her deepest fears. Her trauma is being seen as a doll/object (her mother). What does Shinji do? Visits her comatose body and treats her like a sexual object, confirming he doesn't see her as a person. Then he abandons her, and he watches the MPs destroy her and uses her suffering as a trigger for his own awakening, not as her tragedy. And finally, he only looks for her when she's the absolute last option (after Kaworu, Misato, and Rei are gone). She's not his choice; she's his safety net. For someone who demands "all or nothing", being the "last resort" is total annihilation. Shinji didn't just inherit a broken ego, he shattered it

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>>289788432
no bro, Asuka's "pride" isn't narcissism, it's a survival mechanism built on a foundation of sand. The moment her piloting ability fails, her entire selfworth collapses because she was never taught she had value beyond being a tool. That's not hubris, that's trauma. And what are the "consequences of her own actions" exactly? Being abandoned by her mother? Being raised as a child soldier? Being sexually objectified by the one person she tried to open up to? Her "actions" were desperate attempts to be seen and loved. The real question is: why does Shinji get a free pass for his failures while Asuka is condemned for hers

i really love Asukas CGF

>>289788509
she's 13, traumatized, afraid of intimacy. Her bitchy behavior is a wall she built because vulnerability terrifies her. Those tests (the wall of jericho, walking around halfnaked) weren't rudeness, they were desperate attempts to see if he'd actually pursue her. And he didn't. Not because he's bad, but because they're both broken kids used as tools by narcissistic adults. Shinji tried, yes, but he also gave up quickly. Neither is the villain. They're children in hell. The caress isn't forgiveness. it's understanding. She sees how shattered he is. Finally, "kimochi warui" isn't rejection, it's the weight of everything they've been through. Do they end up together? Unquestionably. Does it take years to heal? Probably. But that final gesture is love, the only kind two traumatized kids can offer each other.

>>289788266
yes

>>289788568
Shinji has his own trauma to waddle through. Ultimately, there's no "saving" when it comes to trauma, it's a lesson Asuka and Shinji learned at the end.

>>289788792
>Finally, "kimochi warui" isn't rejection
It is though, it wasn't supposed to be but Miyamura is a shitty seiyuu, so it is.

>>289788432
Yes.

>>289788266
I have Asuka fatigue.

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>>289788868
In fact, it captures her character quite well. Asuka says one thing but does another. She says "how disgusting," yet she caresses you even as you strangle her to death. She feels revulsion because Shinji used her as a sexual object. In any case, they both ended up together and happy

>>289788266
I don't remember this part but why are they doing this in front of rei?

I did not care for Evangelion
It insists upon itself

>>289788636
>And what are the "consequences of her own actions" exactly?
People treating her like she treated them.
>Being sexually objectified by the one person she tried to open up to?
''Open up'':
>treating Shinji like garbage
>treating Shinji as a sexual object, don't take the kissing scene as a connection when Asuka used it to keep herself afloat mentally using Shinji as a stepping stone for herself
>unable to face her problems when they're pointed out by Rei and instead lashes out and slaps her
Yeah ''opening up''...
>The real question is: why does Shinji get a free pass for his failures while Asuka is condemned for hers
Because Shinji looks past the Evangelions. He doesn't see himself only as a pilot, but as a human being. Asuka is just a doll. The irony. Calling Rei a toll while she is the one to escape that state while Asuka's only worth for herself is being a tool for NERV.

>>289788636
because people see themselves as the protagonist and her as the Other

>>289789087
>She feels revulsion because Shinji used her as a sexual object.
The mentality of the modern female.
>Dresses like a sexual object, then gets mad when treated like one.

>>289788368
>Shinji destroyed her
An actual woman wrote this post.

>>289789161
>treating Shinji as a sexual object, don't take the kissing scene as a connection when Asuka used it to keep herself afloat mentally using Shinji as a stepping stone for herself

Thank you! This is rarely brought up when discussing Asuka and Shinji. Asuka was using him to gratify her own ego, she didn't really care about his trauma either.

>>289788792
Asuka is a bully and always tell shitty things to him and Rei. I don't give a shit if she is young. She was insufferable at any discussions during the show. They are all risking their lives and she has never manifested any empathy and unity like a true team after fighting together.

>>289789161
>People treating her like she treated them
She treated Shinji harshly because she was terrified of vulnerability. That's not an excuse, but it's a REASON. The difference? Shinji's actions toward her were sexually objectifying and abandoning. He didn't "treat her the way she treated him", he treated her WORSE. She was mean to him. He used her body, watched her die, then came back only when he had no one else. These are not equivalent.

>"Open up"
You're confusing "opening up" with "being perfect at it." Asuka tried. In her own broken way. The kiss wasn't just "using him", she was desperate for connection. She wanted him to hold her. She even said it: "You won't even hold me." That's opening up. That's vulnerability. The fact that she did it while ALSO being mean doesn't erase the attempt. It's called being a traumatized teenager.

>Shinji "looks past the Evas"
Does he? Really? He literally says "I have nothing without Eva" He only pilots because it's the only way people approve of him. He runs away when he can't pilot. His identity is just as tied to Eva as Asuka's. The difference? When Asuka's identity collapsed, she was left with nothing. When Shinji's collapsed, Misato and Rei still tried to save him. He got support. She got abandoned

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>>289789363
False. She cares about Shinji, visits him after he falls to Bardiel, and also hides the fact that Toji is the other pilot from him

>>289789372
>He got support. She got abandoned
When Shinji was trapped in Leliel Asuka didn't show a speck of empathy. So much so that Rei confronted her about it.
>The kiss wasn't just "using him"
Yes it was because she knew that Kaji wouldn't return her feelings so she used the second closest thing to not drown.
>She treated Shinji harshly because she was terrified of vulnerability.
Not really, look at the first time she's in Japan. She treated him like absolute garbage before she got to know him. Even kicked him out of his room.

>>289788266
Love is inseparable from the desire to possess, especially in men.

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>>289789239
you're missing the entire dynamic, Asuka wasn't just "sexually provoking him" for the sake of it. She was testing him. She wanted him to take the initiative, to prove he actually wanted her. The kiss in episode 15 wasn't just boredom; it was a desperate attempt to get a reaction from him. When he gave her nothing, she felt rejected and humiliated, so she covered it up with disgust. But the truth came out during Arael's attack: "You won't even hold me." That's what she really wanted. Not sex. Not a kiss. Just to be held. To be seen as someone worth embracing.

And the Wall of Jericho scene? She literally told him there was a barrier between them, then left it wide open, hoping he would cross it. She couldn't say it directly because she was terrified of vulnerability, so she set up the test and waited. He failed it. That's not her being "crazy." That's a traumatized kid who doesn't know how to ask for love directly, so she creates situations where the other person has to prove they want it.

So the real question isn't "why did Asuka do this?" The real question is: why did Shinji consistently fail to read the room? And the answer isn't that he's a victim. He wasn't. He was paralyzed by his own fear of rejection, and that paralysis made him blind to her signals. Both of them were terrified. Both of them failed each other. But people only blame Asuka for being "provocative" while giving Shinji a pass for being "confused." That's the double standard

>>289789239
I assume you've had a girlfriend at some point in your life, at least back in your teens. Anno does a great job portraying a teenage girl with trauma and a deep fear of intimacy or vulnerability. Asuka wants to be loved but doesn't know how to ask for it, that’s another one of her tragedies. Watch the series again, you faggot

>>289788266
No, it's more or less expected as a couple.
You can share, to the extent your partner is ok with, but anymore than that and things are going to become strained or fall apart.
>>289788636
>no bro, Asuka's "pride" isn't narcissism, it's a survival mechanism built on a foundation of sand. The moment her piloting ability fails, her entire selfworth collapses because she was never taught she had value beyond being a tool. That's not hubris, that's trauma. And what are the "consequences of her own actions" exactly? Being abandoned by her mother? Being raised as a child soldier?
You had me right up until:
>Being sexually objectified by the one person she tried to open up to?
He wasn't the only person she tried to open up to, and his reaction was pretty typical of a 14 year old interact with an attractive girl.
He still took the time when she did want to talk with him to listen and her death at the hands of the mass produced evas was the thing that finally broke him.
Not the death of Rei, the death of Kawrou or the Death of Misato, it was Asuka that made him fall into screaming insanity.
You don't do that for a sex object.
>The real question is: why does Shinji get a free pass for his failures while Asuka is condemned for hers
They both get a pass, terrible adults using neglected children.

>>289789490
Asuka literally tells him, "I gave you my first kiss," looking extremely frustrated. The fact that you lack media literacy isn't my problem

>>289789573
>He failed it.
He didn'y ''Fail''. He chose not to because Asuka gave him enough reason not to indulge in her ''games''. Remember when she sneaked in his bed? Shinji tried to kiss her but saw her tears and recoiled while saying ''you're just a kid too''.
>He was paralyzed by his own fear of rejection
Yeah because everythime he DOES try to take initiative Asuka pushes him away.
>But people only blame Asuka for being "provocative" while giving Shinji a pass for being "confused." That's the double standard
Because Asuka gives Shinji so many reasons why he shouldn't go for her. Take Rei for example.

>>289789610
>I assume you've had a girlfriend at some point in your life, at least back in your teens.
My eyes are only set on Rei Ayanami. Women aren't worth it.

>>289789728
that’s the problem, my dear incel. The show itself is telling you that Rei and Kaworu are a fantasy, that you should go out into the real world and find a real woman. Asuka is a real girl, she isn't submissive

>>289789809
But people and their egos are too complicated....
Can't things be simple like my Isekai harem shows

>>289789809
>Asuka is a real girl, she isn't submissive
There's what's wrong with society. Too bad you've been gaslit into thinking that is what makes a woman a ''woman''. No, it doesn't. Women are meant to be submissive. It's the basis of a functioning family and further a functioning healthy society.

>>289789693
Rei is another point entirely. The real conflict of the whole show is the hedgehog's dilemma. When Asuka shows up in episode 8, she becomes a protagonist, and the series revolves around resolving that dilemma. With what you said earlier, Shinji didn't understand what the hell the hedgehog's dilemma even was. He's a 14 year old Japanese kid, completely paralyzed. I think you said earlier that she used Shinji for sexual reasons or something like that, which is stupid. You even quoted it yourself. She got into his bed, she was awake, which is confirmed at the end of the episode, and she started crying. She was waiting for Shinji to comfort her, emotionally. That's the whole point, man. She literally wanted to be seen and loved. The problem is that they're both equally traumatized and alone. Shinji's inaction is what triggers Asuka to react the same way. I don't know if you've ever had contact with women, but in my case, I can name personal situations where after I stopped texting a girl or giving her attention, she started acting the exact same way. Over and over I see Asuka trying to be loved and seen as an adult by the boy she likes, but she doesn't know how to achieve it, and Shinji is too innocent and traumatized, and they constantly clash. That's the hedgehog's dilemma. The point, and like I mentioned before, all of this gets resolved, bro. They end up together

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>>289789942
Well, I could debate that, but the point is that the series' creator thinks that way, anon, that's why Shinji and Asuka end up together

>>289789634
Look, first of all, it's stated outright that Shinji saw Asuka as a sexual object, a "side dish." And there are even drafts where instead of masturbating over her comatose body, he masturbates over her photo. Shinji was constantly masturbating while thinking about her. He goes to see her in the hospital because there's no one else available, he even says it himself. He wants Asuka to break his AT field, he really wants to open up, but she's in a coma and can't hear him. He gets desperate and masturbates, acting impulsively. At that point, he saw her as a sexual object. I'm not saying he never saw her as a companion or tried to be friendly, but in that moment he saw her as an object, and that's exactly what Asuka throws in his face during instrumentality. First, the masturbation thing, but she doesn't even care about that as long as she's the only one. Imagine how messed up they both were. And second, that anyone would do for Shinji, and that's true. He would obsess over anyone who loved him. Shinji matures quite a bit after masturbating over her, he knows it was wrong, that he hit rock bottom, and he doesn't want to live anymore. That's when he starts seeing Asuka as a human being, but by then it's too late. He liked her and cared about her, but he didn't love her. Asuka did love him. But after Asuka caresses his face in his worst moment, he receives genuine affection for the first time in his life, and that's when he would fall deeply in love with her

>>289790010
>but the point is that the series' creator thinks that way, anon
Okay?
>that's why Shinji and Asuka end up together
Doesn't quite make sense if we consider what you said above.
Only a relationship where the male takes the ''Dominant role'' and the famale takes the ''Submissive role'' can work. Otherwise it's not a relationship. At least it's a a symbiotic one which is the right one.

>>289790307
*At least it's not a symbiotic one

>>289790207
>Look, first of all, it's stated outright that Shinji saw Asuka as a sexual object
No, it is outright shown that he is aware of her sexually, that doesn't mean he see's her as a sex object.
You don't fall into screaming insanity if your ohahole gets a tear in it.
He was also aware of Misato sexually, are you going to claim that he just saw her as a sex object?
>And there are even drafts where instead of masturbating over her comatose body, he masturbates over her photo
Drafts are not the final work.
>Shinji was constantly masturbating while thinking about her
Pure speculation. Stick to the contents of the actual series.
>I'm not saying he never saw her as a companion or tried to be friendly, but in that moment he saw her as an object
He was a traumatised kid at the end of his rope.
>And second, that anyone would do for Shinji, and that's true.
If that were the case, he wouldn't have rejected Misato.
>That's when he starts seeing Asuka as a human being
He always did, that act was a coping mechanism from a person that has never learnt how to connect properly. Much like Asuka's attention seeking is her fumbling around trying to connect with people because she doesn't know any better way.
>but he didn't love her. Asuka did love him
This is purely interpretation, and I'll actually own that:
I think they both loved each other but both they and the circumstances they were in were far too messed up for them to connect properly.

>>289789087
>it captures her character quite well
That's hindsight bias. Asuka was supposed to accept Shinji in the end, while pretending to pretend she didn't, but Miyamura wasn't able to capture that. Anno criticizes Miyazaki for Porco Rosso piloting the red plane and getting the girl, but he wants to be Char just as much as Hayao wants to be cool, with his own mommy gf. Miyamura couldn't be the mommy gf though, while also being Asuka, so he retreated into his pile of cash, bought a mommy gf, and made a movie about her.
>>289789809
>Asuka is a real girl, she isn't submissive
She's way more submissive than Rei, you're confusing "being loud" with "having a personality" or even "being strong". Asuka literally resents Shinji for not wanting her submission, she wants to be taken down a peg, that's why she's loud, she craves being put in her place.

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>it's love
>love beams
>luv u

>>289790708
>Asuka literally resents Shinji for not wanting her submission
What? She's not even trying to submissive. She's bossing Shinji around the house and doesn't let him get close to her and then barks at him behind his back that he's not putting moves on her. Her AT fields manifestation is her personality that repulses everyone around her.

>>289790841
>>289790708
so if Shimji cums inside Asuka (instead of on his hand), she doubles down or actually submits?

>>289791039
That's a big jump. But there was that whole instrumentality orgy thing. Shinji looked dissapointed when Asuka was on top of him. Anyone has the pic? Sex is when you literally ''connect'' with eachother physically (penis in vagina) and spiritually. Shinji connected with all three in Instrumentlity if I'm not wrong. With the whole of humanity too.

>>289790841
>calls others incel
>fails to understand women to this extent
She's provoking him because he won't even acknowledge her otherwise.
>>289791039
Only if he doesn't apologize or show any guilt.

>>289791212
>Only if he doesn't apologize or show any guilt.
Has Asuka ever apologized? That's the thing, Asuka only looks at the situation one sided. She never aplologizes and that's the problem. She will never stand on equal grounds which are crucial in understanding each other as equals.

>>289791339
She's a kid, kids don't learn what you tell them to, they learn what you do. Her mother didn't apologize, so Asuka never learned to. She only knows violence, which is why she goes that far to elicit conflict from others. In her subconscious, if she annoys Shinji enough, maybe he will choke her, like her mother tried to kill her, and take her mother's place as the authority figure she yearns for.
In that sense, she's submissive, because her whole being is just searching for someone she can submit to; and she has to be abrasive, because no one she knows of is in the market for a 14 year old maso sub in Tokyo 3.
Rei is way less submissive, the only thing that can stop her agency is literal death, and only until the next one is dried after coing out of the vat. Unlike Asuka, she will not care about the validation of just anyone around her, and what is seen as submissiveness is ostly just a lack of interest or care for matters and people she deems mundane.

>>289791610
It's not in Asuka's nature to submit, she's a sadist not a masochist

>>289791767
It is in her nature to submit, she's a sadist because pain is her only connection left with her mother, she submits directly to Kaji because she knows he's already the kind of guy to cause a woman pain; she annoys Shinji because he doesn't see himself as someone worthy of piercing others with his spikes, and she wants the spikes, she wants them badly, so she pokes him with her own, to show that his distance is not further than her proximity. Rewatch the show anon, everything she does screams "poke me, hurt me, love me, tell me off".
Asuka only stops being like that in 3.33, and by then we're dealing with a different Asuka altogether.

>>289791892
>she submits directly to Kaji because she knows he's already the kind of guy to cause a woman pain
What ignorance. Kaiji was the nicest person to her and the only pain he caused Asuka was not sleeping with her out of obligation.
>she annoys Shinji because he doesn't see himself as someone worthy of piercing others with his spikes
Shinji doesn't want to be hurt or hurt others.
>she wants the spikes, she wants them badly, so she pokes him with her own, to show that his distance is not further than her proximity.
Man, mixing headcanon with your messed up perception of women does not do any favors in understanding the character. But then again you're not trying.
>everything she does screams "poke me, hurt me, love me, tell me off".
What hapenned to ''hold me''?
>It is in her nature to submit
Should be, it isn't. Since she didn't have a proper upbringing that would teach her to be submissive.

>>289792011
>Kaiji was the nicest person to her
Is her way of rejecting her. When he accepts a woman he hurts her, just look at Misato.
>Man, mixing headcanon with your messed up perception of women does not do any favors in understanding the character
And yet you insist on doing so.
>Since she didn't have a proper upbringing
And women without proper upbringing overwhelmingly choose males that will hurt them, it's the default factory setting.

>>289792084
>Is her way of rejecting her. When he accepts a woman he hurts her, just look at Misato.
Kaji wasn't in a ''relationship'' with Asuka. He was her caretaker.
>And yet you insist on doing so.
no u
>And women without proper upbringing overwhelmingly choose males that will hurt them, it's the default factory setting.
Funny how Shinji hurting Asuka is the result of how she treats him.

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Since we have a lot of Eva scholars here, I'll give you a topic to discuss.
What is the most destructive relationship that Shinji has? and why is it the one he has with Kaworu?
I'll check back in a handful of hours, if you can keep the thread going that long.

>>289788266
It's both and Kensuke films Shinji and Asuka fucking

>>289794096
No, Kensuke schizo gonna have a melty over canon

>>289792981
Kaworu does not have a romantic or toxic relationship with Shinji. Gay and transgender fans, as well as those with delusions, gave that character too much importance by shipping him with Shinji, when in reality that isn't the case. Shinji is not in love with him

>>289792166
>>289792084
>>289792011
Here is the translation into English:

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Kaji was an idiot. The more I read his literal dialogue or watch the series again, the more I can only think he was a selfish bastard obsessed with his own goal, finding out what the hell was going on. Misato at least had a clear mission, revenge against the Angels, and she did try to get close to Shinji, but Kaji didn't. He was a bastard. He never set clear boundaries with Asuka, well, we also have to consider he was her guardian, but even so, that bastard knew exactly what was going on with every character and never did anything for anyone. He was deeply selfish and a total faggot. On the other hand, Asuka idealized Kaji, but she didn't love him. She saw him as a fantasy, the perfect man, the next step to becoming an adult, but even so, if he had actually gotten close to her, she would have cried like a little girl. Just think about when Shinji tried to get close to her and give her a kiss, she cried inconsolably calling out for her mother. She gets jealous later because Kaji doesn't give her attention, and that's true, Asuka stops receiving attention after episode 8.

>>289788266
Love is possesive

>>289788331
Harems are for cucks, no women who respects herself would permit her man chasing other skirts.

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>>289788266
It's cluster B personality.

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>>289792981
>just be myself
>ignore asukafags, reifags, misatofags
>"huuur duurrr most destructive relationship"

Mari a cute, I am pretty sure I am the last one.

>>289788266
>she knows Shinji jerked off to her
>she's absolutely fine with it
>But she wants Shinji to only have jerkoff fantasies about her
Kindov hot actually.

>>289792981
Gendo

>>289796986
Checked all the boxes

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>>289792981
Honestly an accurate post. The problem with Kaworu is that he's TOO good for Shinji. He offers Shinji effortless, consequence-free love and affection. While this is what Shinji's been craving, it's not what he actually needs. Kaworu being able to truly embrace Shinji, to take him away and love him as much as he was loving him in Episode 24, would doom Shinji. It would prevent him from growing an independent soul and leave him permanently in a stunted, infantile spiritual state. It would make Shinji less than human; it would reduce him to the level of a creature, a pet, who gets fed and watered and petted but not truly treated like a human being.

>>289788792
Asukakeks actually believe this

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I can't be the only one who grew up and thinks how stupid it was to make this show about 14 year olds.

>>289798947
Nah, I get it. The show basically IS about growing up, about leaving childhood behind and becoming a mature adult, and learning to relate to the world in a mature way. And 14 is really when the transition from childhood to adulthood starts.

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>>289788266

If Shinji just married Misato or Rei he would become a stable person.
If he married Asuka he would've killed himself.

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>>289799199
I've always said that if you could get past the age gap Shinji and Misato make a decent amount of sense as a couple. They kind of fit together, you know? They cover each others' flaws with each others' strengths decently well. It's worth remembering that they settle into living together pretty well, long before Asuka shows up, and their dynamic really only starts to break down when EVERYTHING starts breaking down after Zeruel. It could have worked.

>>289799287
Oh yea they work together quite well. Shinji might still need to man up a bit but I think she could help with with that.

bump

>>289797690
He really is that retarded.

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>>289799330
>Shinji might still need to man up a bit but I think she could help with with that.

I can see it. That IS the major problem with Shinji's pairings: that he takes the submissive, feminine role in almost all of them. It's worst with Kaworu, since there he's literally primed to take a cock up his ass. But he's still in the passive role with Misato, Asuka, and Mari.

But yeah, maybe Misato could help him grow up and be assertive. She certainly gives him the most outright positive affirmation of anybody he gets paired with.

>>289789573
good post

>>289788266
Asuka only ever actually wanted Shinji whenever it felt like someone else might have him. Otherwise she just fucks around with him for fun.

>>289798947
Anno and the gang didn't exactly have a consistent plan from day one. That's what makes it a fun watch. You can tell it gets a less coherent and more personal as it goes on.

>>289788266
It's your 14yo self, unable to move on because you didn't have the emotional tools to build a healthy relationship. You don't marry your 14yo crush. Forgive yourself, let it go, and meet new people.

>>289795416
Relationship does not always mean penis in orifice.
>>289797274
Even the, what barely can be called, relationship he has with Gendo spurs him on to try to be a better version of himself, if only to try to gain his acknowledgement.
I would probably put it in second place though.
>>289797612
Closest to knocking the nail on the head.

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>>289802665
It's a little awkward that most of the fan content I've seen that gets how bad Kaworu is for Shinji is caught up in some, uh, additional interests, too.

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>>289798947
you are

>>289802422
I actually think it would have been better if it was more consistent, the first ~13 episodes are nowhere near as good as the rest

>>289799287
>>289799330
>>289800817
Maybe maybe but I'm not sure their relationship would turn out well if they actually moved to romantic field. I think Misato still tried with Shinji because after all he's younger than her, and she had higher hierarchy than him, it's just natural to be protective of someone more vulnerable and younger than you (especially since you project whatever issues of yours on the kid). But when Shinji becomes adult, a woman doesn't like it when she always has to cheer up her man everytime, if that keeps happening she would eventually resent the man. iirc isn't the reason Misato broke up with Kaji because his aloofness reminded her of her father?

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Huh, guys... what did Anno mean by this?

>>289797612
I like how 3.0 pretty much called out everything you are saying about this relationship. By the end of the movie, Shinji was an emotionless husk of a person because he relied too much on Kaworu as an emotional crutch.

>>289804909
can't rape an arm

>>289792981
>and why is it the one he has with Kaworu?
Because there's nothing worse than faggotry.

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I'm disappointed in most of the posters here.

>>289788266
It's pure need for validation with no consideration whatsoever for the other, of course there's no love there. This scene spells out loud that Shinji is a mean to an end for Asuka, which also happens to work the other way.

See >>289788531

>>289788568
thanks chatgpt

>>289788792
>she's 13, traumatized, afraid of intimacy
Irrelevant, the whole world is in that state.

>Her bitchy behavior is a wall she built because vulnerability terrifies her
Her bitchy behavior is her personality, see how she's perfectly fine with Kaji. The strong facade she puts on is there to hide how weak and fragile she is, the entire reason she's piloting the eva is to run away from having to face her real issues, which of course is completely retarded as it can only lead to her own (self) destruction.

>Not because he's bad, but because they're both broken kids used as tools by narcissistic adults
Shinji didn't pursue her because she was just fap material, something to fantasize about, the moment Asuka invited him to kiss her, there was nothing left for Shinji to fantasize about anymore.

>Neither is the villain
Shinji is 100% the villain in EoE.

>Finally, "kimochi warui" isn't rejection
Of course it's rejection, which is why she spent nearly two decades seething about it to the point she needed ooc fantasies to cope.

>Do they end up together? Unquestionably. Does it take years to heal? Probably. But that final gesture is love, the only kind two traumatized kids can offer each other.
Two decades of Soryu seething actually.

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>>289807339
NTA.
>Irrelevant, the whole world is in that state.
You can't expect a child to act like an adult. Even by the standards of ancient times, she still wouldn't be considered old enough to shoulder the full responsibilities of an adult.
>Her bitchy behavior is her personality, see how she's perfectly fine with Kaji.
You mean the "bitchy behaviour" that she doesn't display to Kaji?
>The strong facade she puts on is there to hide how weak and fragile she is
This is actually correct, which makes me wonder how you managed to mistake the mask she projects to the rest of the world as her real personality.
>Shinji is 100% the villain in EoE.
He is a victim as much as Asuka and Rei.
>anti asuka raging
You don't understand Asuka and you don't understand the series.

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>>289807430

Is this some millenial boomer fetish to overanalyse this dogshit series. The hypno flashes were so annoying throughout the series i almost stopped watching it srsly.

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>>289808631
Ironically, I have way more fun analyzing fan overanalysis about the show, more than the show. the show itself is pretty straightforward with its themes. but fans will make 10 minute video essays on a single frame and make it so much more interesting.

>>289808789
The show itself is pretty fucking boring and gay, a bunch of kids acting like dorks and a bunch of adults acting like kids and le psychopath villain genius. Give me a fucking break why are boomers on this board obsessed with this garbage?

>>289809676
Because it's good

>>289799287
>I've always said that if you could get past the age gap Shinji and Misato make a decent amount of sense as a couple
Remember that Anno's previous show was Nadia.

>>289805401
Says who?

>IM LE VICTIM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

>>289810973
my shrink

>>289811164
That poor, poor person.

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These threads...

Genuinely what if they just chilled out and drank some dr.pepper and smoked weed. Ts not that serious

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>>289805401
>>289811164
Not with that attitude

>>289788266
She's demanding his devotion. She will be his/devoted to him if he is to her. In other words don't look at other girls.

>>289816322
Asuka seeks validation as she needs it to function. At this point of the story Shinji is the only one who can give her that, but it can only work if his attention is solely directed toward her, otherwise she's not special and it Shinji is no good.

>She will be his/devoted to him if he is to her
No of course not, even if Shinji gave her what she wants, she'll quickly realize that Shinji actually fucking suck and the validation he provide isn't doing the job, and she'll eventually need to find someone else to validate her.