>millions of anime about rock, pop rock, heavy rock, heavy metal, black metal, math rock, etc.>almost no anime about house or techno musicWhy?
D4DJ exists
metal is essentially electronic music, electric guitars aren't real instruments
>>289791478It doesn't count
It's not real music, duh.
bum p
>>289791799That hasn't been viable bait for 30 years
Electronic music is for cocksucking faggots.
>>289792130there is literally nothing gayer than rock music
>>289791440>no anime about some autist in her room making loopsThe potential is there. Start them off with simple trackers or a beginner's drum machine.Can probably include vocaloid somewhere in there too.
The real answer is the major companies that control the anime industry, such as Sony Music Japan, don't publish house. Its more of an indie genre. How many times are ya gonna make this thread?
>>289793056I've only made this thread once. Has someone else been making threads like this?>House is more of an indie genreIs Daft Punk indie?
>>289792130Then you must love it
>>289791799>>289792130rock is dead, deal with it
>>289791440>houseIs that wub wub wub bass shit?
>>289798155No, grandpa, that's brostep.
>>289791440what anime had black metal?
>>289799156If it isn't metal, rock, folk, classical or pop from the first half of the 00s latest it's for wiggers or worse.
>>289799627Yes grandpa, everything that upsets you is for wiggers. How about we get you to bed?
Give me JKs doing post-rock.
>>289799715>my music and culture is totally fucked but you're like LE OLD and lived in a world before enshitification how sadOk. I do have some pity for you guys, because you really don't know how far things have fallen, but it dries up every time I'm reminded how snarky and bitchlike you are.
>>289799793No, fuck off with rock already. How about JKs doing ambient drone and overdosing on mushrooms.
>>289799866Not everybody's as miserable or incorrect as you are.
I would love to see a trance, dream trance, or happy hardcore animu with cute girls.>>289799793YES. I would fucking love that.
would be kino i'm tired of series that are basically the director or mangaka being like>look at MY music taste that's like a middle schooler from burgerland >;]god i hate that shit>>289800523yes, this needs to be the OST, or some denpa or doujin music would be awesome toohttps://youtu.be/M6UvS7BJfh8
Imagine if there was an actual slice of life show with cue moe moe girls making a psyrock album in a house that resembles Tame Impala's wave house And when they would start playing and practicing the entire screen would just mix colors and be some cinematic psychedlic animation
>>289800523>trance, dream trance, or happy hardcore
>>289791440Apart from the fact that pop and rock are simply way more popular than electronic music genres it just wouldn't make for a good show. Your average band show is always about finding members and becoming friends, learning an instrument and live performances. What are you gonna do with house, show them sitting in front of their PC fiddling around in FL studio? The social part also falls flat and how are you gonna make the live performance interesting?It would just be following around 1 guy with a laptop and a keyboard for 13 episodes.I like electronic music I just think it's way harder to make the creative process interesting to watch.
it would be required to have at least one pretentious character who only spins white labels
>>289801304What's more pretentious: spinning white labels or standing two inches away from the booth so you can identify every record being played?
>>289800804Yeah. Have a problem with that, bitch?
Sounds like my rock genre superiority has caused some controversy.
Gabberdisco + VRChathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28wExxCaEOI
>>289799627Rock is ultra gay, it will never beat the absolute perfection that is 90s-2000s electronic music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3yxsXgH3zA
>>289803047based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq1ZYSuEnu8
>>289803047No, that shit is gay. And it's worthless and there's no talent in it. Total faggotry.
>>289802208...at the retirement home.
>>>/wsg/6205734
>>289803755I already stated that rock is ultra gay, no need to expand on that methinks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDB-2Xw3yx0
>>289801489for a character like that he'd be getting really mad when he can recognize any song at all, even the samples, even if it's interpolated, covered, remixed, etc.>daft punk? cascada? hixxy? the fuck is this guy doing? what an amateur. surely anyone can enjoy what they know, but if they wanted to do that, they can just do it at home. a true club DJ would NEVER play the classics, you only spin what they *don't know* they wanna hear~!
>>289803889>methinks.Bullshit, you don't think. That's why you listen to a series of beeps and wubs.
>>289803958I think aplenty, I always imagine something that fits the rhythm of the music I listen to; which is bleeps and bloops, get it right. Meanwhile all you listen to is twangs and twongs, booms and bams that are accompanied by a drunk faggot in makeup whining about social issues and shit.
>>289801023make it about a guy who becomes a dj so he can fuck rave sluts
>>289802208But I like rock. I absolutely adore post-rock.>>289803889As I said in another post, I'm more of a trancefag, dream trancefag, but those are cool too.https://youtube.com/watch?v=Js_yFp1wXXwhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=gt2DZWZJqZA
>>289804258I personally prefer music that has a sound that's closer to something like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnW-Ms-Girg
i'd find it personally amusing if there was an entire unironic half episode dedicated to explaining the intrinsic nuances and localized histories of booty bass
>>289804344I think it's cool, but I don't enjoy it as much as other genres.https://youtube.com/watch?v=mGlg0md2J0Ehttps://youtube.com/watch?v=epMD5KmvOi8Being somewhat drunk while listening to dream trance/trance in my room at night has been a hobby of mine for about 20 years.
>>289804514Might you like Scooter, then?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5pdgyOzJtEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujcgcvOD_wc>>289801023>What are you gonna do with house, show them sitting in front of their PC fiddling around in FL studio?>It would just be following around 1 guy with a laptop and a keyboard for 13 episodes.I think the solution to that would be either have the characters prefer the old school way of producing music (physical synths, drum machines, etc.), or to set the story in the days when that was the only option. I'd find it interesting to watch them create, look for, and combine the right samples to create the best music they can.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFIlDVa1BMw
>>289804662djs love hunting records with isolated drum samples, leads you into territory of finding obscure deep cuts that turn out to be absolute dancefloor firehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_48Mv4n9Vk
>>289804662>Might you like Scooter, then?I remember him, and I like some of his tracks, but I wouldn't say they are up my alley either.https://youtube.com/watch?v=nAmfmawjE7Qhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=DdadNg6QSBchttps://youtube.com/watch?v=EYSYLt14miM
>sharpnel>scooter>generic weeb garbage>the "artist"'s name is ""Trance"">streaming algo youtube mixesyou guys are demonstrating exactly the worst properties of this hobby.ep1 would be entirely calling out and eradicating the stereotypes (You) bring into it
>>289805045Exactly what's wrong with scooter? What the hell are you talking about, in general?
>>289805045I can be more autismo if you want me to.
>>289805133hands up sucks. scooter is total cheesecore. a disneyland anthem sellout. this nigga makes music videos for mtv for fucks sake. it's the kind of shit your 8yo nephew streams through his airpods in crunchy 144p after discovering it in a mr beast video. a level of lame equal to picking up a "best of dance [current year]" compilation CD from FYE. it's lamer than just asking chatgpt to print you a list of dance music artists, one of them ending up being Divine Styler. if you could name one person to serve as an artistic equivalent to erectile dysfunction, scooter would be it.>>289805153do it
>>289801023>social partelectronic duos exist, djs can travel with other djs, f2f/b2b/vs/2x4 sets exist.>PC fiddling(ignoring dj equipment) its no different from showing a character fiddling on a piano or guitar
>>289805299I've never seen somebody hate Scooter so much. What exactly makes them lame?>>289805390Also, not every producer is a DJ, and not every DJ is a producer.
>>289805438not exactly making music to appeal to fans of dance music as much as he's making generic swathe synth samples to sell to sports stadiums to play while their broadcast is in commercial break showing nike and pepsi ads and a man in a chicken costume is on the court trying to make a slam dunk off a trampoline while everyone ignores it staring at their phones or leaving their seats to take piss wanks.
>>289805438>not every composer is a performer, and not every performer is a composerhow does what you said not apply to any form of music? the topic was why there is an abundance of rock anime and not house or techno.
>>289799866>LE OLD>enshitification You're literally a child.
>>289805299>>289805438Don't forget how most Scooter songs are mashups of other artists' songs, which they've never credited or paid any respect to. If you think there's nothing wrong with Scooter it's because you weren't even born when they peaked, they were a genuine tumor in the industry.
>>289805045What the fuck is wrong with shaprnel, faggot?
>>289805515>if I change the words it's the same thingRetard.Perfoming music by playing instruments and DJing are completely different and unrelated skills.
>>289799219Remember the time when Bocchi had naked women crucified and tore up animal carcasses on stage?
>>289806965never intended to hurt your feelings, mister sharpnel, but i hate to tell you you've done nothing memorable at all. how the fuck is any anglo-saxan, clinton-voting kid supposed to remember the names of your fucking garbage songs outside the context of a DDR cabinet in 2009? it's all gook toilet sounds. are you retarded?
>>289807122Good, it's not for you, never was intended for you, white trash
>>289807146nobody likes your music nigger, just your faggot orbiters.fuck off
>>289807340Oh no, looks like Sony Music Entertainment's newest intern got mad.
20 years of slapping anime grills over effortless shit poser hardcore nobody likes damn that's dedication
>>289806952Plenty of artists just mash up other peoples' songs; and I mainly listen to Scooter for their synths, I like how they sound.
Did I take a wrong turn and end up on /mu/?
>>289808180/mu/ turned into the kpop board, nobody actually talks about music there anymore
>>289805299Yeah, the only respectable sound is Birmingham techno played out of a speaker system that causes hearing damage in an abandoned warehouse set in a deindustrialized and burnt out city.Japan only has depopulated cities, not deindustrialized crime-filled ones, and their young people don't seem to want to leave the cities at all
>>289793567>Is Daft Punk indie?Daft Punk haven't made a house record since they put on the masks.
>>289799793https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tYQs4PQwbE
>>289809785>Birmingham technoI hope you you meant to say Bristol, but you are directionally correct.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaDPrBByQXY
>>289807095Remember that time Bocchi drove an excavator through the wall of a live house?
>>289805390No, it's mostly about listening to music, buying records and going to clubs.It's why the best DJ movie doesn't really show how the sausage is made.
>>289808110>I mainly listen to Scooter for their synths, I like how they sound.Literally the only reason to listen to Scooter is the man himself, anon. There is no need to pretend to be discerning when you're talking about fucking Scooter lmao.
>>289809825Then what have they been doing since then? If you say disco I'll slap you
>>289810450I do like Baxxter as well, but I genuinely like how they make the synths sound.
>>289805045how about you try this weeb garbage on for sizehttps://youtu.be/ROP-v3IfBBo
>>289805299Hey Ishkur, when are you going to update your electronic music encyclopedia?
>>289810479Just so we're on the same page, house sounds like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDtZupAibxchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYkb2nKnZWEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AtGhHQZy5Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lTvH6guypkIt's very organic, it's very "human", yknow. House was largely developed based on disco instrumentals and the like, it has a very specific feel to it, even if the introduction of the 303. Nobody had heard anything that, basically ever, and it just took over. Everyone was making it and everyone wanted to hear more of it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJJ5FxpVGUYDaft Punk is, weirdly, like a microcosm of that exact thing happening again, 10 years later on the other side of the Atlantic. Thomas was making shit like this, which while ok, wasn't really anything to write home about. Just standard filter house shit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dcXwwzL97QOf course, then they put out Da Funk and everything changed:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwILkY9gRrcSuddenly loads of people were doing this kind of shit. Justice, Kavinsky. People called it "french house", because these people all came out of this house music scene, but they weren't making house music anymore. On top of that, "french house" already was an established term for a specific style of (actual) house music even before that, which is what the track from Thomas is. It's yet another confusion born from the language around electronic music being just generally fucking stupid, because most people who talk about it don't know anything about anything.So sure, "Daft Punk make french house", but not the french house that is actually house music.
>>289810865The best tune on the entire soundtrack is this, but I am certain that you will not be able to articulate why:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5qwsqnwDEQ
Need more future/kawaiicore anime like LuluttoLilly
I like this onehttps://youtube.com/watch?v=K0VYSthqzHE
cute girls going to ¥ØU$UK€ ¥UK1MAT$U boiler rooms anime when
I would much rather have a (good) show about classical music. Pretty please.
>>289811051>People called it "french house", because these people all came out of this house music scene, but they weren't making house music anymore. On top of that, "french house" already was an established term for a specific style of (actual) house music even before that, which is what the track from Thomas is. I see, that is pretty confusing. I always thought it was just a regional sound that branched off from previous influences like Chicago and the guys you posted. Also, I assumed house was like techno in that its aesthetic boundaries were large and loosely defined. Has there ever been a proposed alternate name for this !not-house "french house" music?
>>289791440because any talentless hack can buy 2 or 3 random beats off of a literal website that sells them, splice them together randomly, adjust the tempo and various audio settings until it sounds vaguely original to the drug-abusing plebs who consoom it, slap on retarded voices they lift off youtube or something, and call it a song.Its easy, it can be done with a shitty laptop, it requires no real skills, your audience are shit-eating plebs who will dance to anything while high on ecstasy/dexies, and nobodies life was ever changed by that music on its own. There is no good stories there.However, learning actual instruments, learning not only to sing, but to learn how to sing in a way that makes the most of your own voice, finding a group of other musicians you can both be good friends with, and collaborate on music, AND have the music wind up actually being good and well received etc, there's millions of stories to be found there.Weird question to ask really. Its also why only 2 rappers ever bothered releasing movies about their lives, 50Cent and Eminem, and 95% of both films was about anything other than the music and performances.
>>289811517very disingenuous postthe reddit spacing is the cherry on top
>>289799219there was a comedy manga about an extreme black metal band with a crazy lead, who in real life is an awkward autist, who is extremely petty and socially retarded. Detroit Metal City i believe, they even made an anime, the OP is a banger.youtu.be/9eKn2l8utEA?si=gWhnbfU4fteLr_6R
>>289811517>shit-eating plebs who will dance to anything while high on ecstasy/dexiesbut enough about rock fans
>>289811517https://youtu.be/3kVFce1M_QQRock is so cool... these teeny-boppers don't know their heads from their asses... by the way, is anyone else getting a pacemaker this year
What's stopping anime girls from doing this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BydhxxaHgnQ
>>289811538Im a literal oldfag, and have been typing like this since before your tiny testicles dropped.Go back kid, figures you're from there, with your dogshit taste and all. Go back to your home and cry about there being no anime about your precious techno shit.
>>289811465I mean, it's kind of like "progressive house", but not really at all either. All electronic music words are nonsense, you just have to know it when you hear it.>I always thought it was just a regional sound that branched off from previous influences like Chicago and the guys you postedYeah but the regional sound is stuff like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvHzRASaCxs>I assumed house was like techno in that its aesthetic boundaries were large and loosely definedIt's kind of complicated. It's very easy to say that something isn't house or techno, but what it actually sounds like beyond "this ain't it" is extremely loose. Robert Hood is a great example, because a lot of his stuff under the Floorplan name "sounds like house", but it just isn't house. Never Grow Old is clearly, clearly straight techno.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC6sOXnBglESure, it might be tricky to play it to a techno crowd, but if you get it in, it'll work 100% of the time. It's fairly easy to play it to a house floor, but I don't think it'll do as well there.Or something like this, right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzMI3hXvkm8It has this broken rhythm you usually don't get in techno and is much more common in electro (don't ask me to explain what electro is), but it's also obviously techno.Basically, there isn't an easy way to define what makes something techno, but it's fairly easy to see when something isn't.
>>289811765epic, now go to back facebook, old man
>>289811772>don't ask me to explain what electro isthis is one of the strongest points about electronic music tbqhit's not limited by the physical limitations of instruments so you end up with so much variety in sound that defining borders and genres is impossible
>>289791440House anime peaked with the first one.
>>289812032not house
>>289811908>soo* much variety in sound that defining borders and genres is impossible>mfwyoutu.be/aOnEHhNYLqk?si=TF0ZuSVHh1mY8ysKYou could probably make an anime about the guys who recorded this anime OP frankly, these stoner-rock grooves coming from a bunch of misfit nips would make for a fun anti-establishment anime.
>>289812055yeah man it is absolutely laughable to suggest that thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kN6xjaRiswsounds completely different from something like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Twnmhe948Athey're basically the same thing!
>>289812121>they're basically the same thing!yeah anon, they're both really bad. Sorry for your taste.
>>289812055a lot of electronic music producers like punk and have an essentially punk ethos. the whole scene (underground) is based around DIY shit, founding your own labels, running your own venues (or making them if they don't exist), leaving when the cops or the landlord shows up, shunning celebrity culture and image-obsessed music industry pop shenanigans, making music that is basically impossible to put on the radio or include in an ad.stoner rock on the other hand fits right into a TV advertisement about bubblegum or insurance or sneakers.
>>289812135"thing bad" is not a meaningful form of critique, what did you think was bad about it?
>>289811765>>289811517I don't know if you're old, but you certainly are a fag (you don't seem to have a problem using retarded neologisms like "-oom"). That guy is a fag too for claiming "reddit spacing", but you're still retarded.Electronic music having a lower barrier to entry doesn't matter, any work created by a novice in any kind of music--electronic or otherwise--will be shit, great composers will make their samples sound nearly unrecognizable. Plenty of electronic music has original lyrics written for it, I don't know why you even brought that up; here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-G4A0NZqPoCreating electronic music is more similar to writing sheet music, you just get to immediately hear it in action, that still requires a lot of skill. If it's so easy, why don't you produce two or three bangers for me right now? I'll be waiting. Really, I don't understand this gay obsession with "skill" some of you faggots have.>nobodies life was ever changed by that music on its own. There is no good stories there.Bitch, please. If you've only ever heard of one-man acts, then you have less than a surface level knowledge of the electronic music scene; off the top of my head, I can name Sasha and John Digweed as people who became friends and collaborated because of electronic music. It sounds like you were trying to say something 'deep' and 'profound', but you've failed, you sound retarded. As always.Also, you're talking about junkies as if EDM is the only field where they exist, god knows how many rockfags and metalfags inject shit into their veins. Woodstock ring a bell?
>>289791440There's no anime about sludge metal
>>289811772Unrelated, can you help me figure out what genre this would be?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ractqCYdp_I
>>289812200why do they all have gynecomastia
>>289812298Listening to Crowbar enables you to cultivate mass.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2-iPAY2p4
>>289812186Guitarcels are largely anti-intellectual, they do not believe that composition is a meaningful pursuit. They think great tunes just magically appear after twingtwanging their strings mindlessly for a while.>There is no good stories there.He has a point here, but it's not the point he thinks he has. Electronic music is not about individual people for the most part. It's about the places people go and the actual music people make. The people behind all this are secondary to that. As pointed out by >>289812151, electronic music, even today, is still largely self-made, by the people who like it for the people who like it and all the big respected people and venues came into existence exactly like that as well. Like, people in Berlin go to Berghain because the beers are cheap and thee music is good. It's a good place to go out and that's really what makes it special. Not the fact that it's "Berghain".
>>289812200why is even the skinny guy in the back fat?
>>289812382He's transfat
>>289812262standard euro rave, not hard qualify as hardcore
I like techno
>>289801023You could have the composition be abstracted and get stylized animated scenes with a framework of it being like indie music producers.EDM and its adjacent genres are actually relatively popular in a specific niche in Japan, in particular the niche of like people who play rhythm games. The anime could also include rhythm games for both mobile and arcade as an element of its storytelling.There are creators like Hyadain or Sakuzyo or Camellia, who started off making music online, and then got popular and started getting bigger deals.
>>289812200you just know the people who listen to this look exactly like them
>>289812566based
Somehow, Japan is one of the few places makina took roots in
>>289811772>don't ask me to explain what electro isMy feeling was always, if it sounds like you can tie it back to Kraftwerk then it's probably electrohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urEpeSFdVG0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmQbFF9KSv4
>>289813221It needs the bleep bloops and water level feel.
>>289812833and that's a good thing
>>289812186>>289812364I don't know if it counts, but both Ratatat and The Avalanches do a whole lot of collaboration with other artists. There is just literally too much electronic music and artists out there to make any definitive statement about the genre especially since it's an umbrella genre like rock or pop is.Imagine making the statement that rock is just people commodifying revolution and pop is shopping music."It's self made" is just kind of the starting point. If you're gonna tell a story, you're gonna actually add stuff to that in the same way you wouldn't have a rock story just be a band solely when they are playing a song. You tell stories backstage and in the lives of the musicians.It just makes no sense to disqualify any genre of music from having a story when usually the story part is everything surrounding the music, not the music itself.
>>289812364I thought people went to Berghain to 1. say they got into Berghain2. attend the gay BDSM freak-off parties
>>289816558People from Berlin? They don't do 1. But they do do 2, but also there's better places for that.
>>289791440>animate retards moving around while doing technically impressive stuff to gain the audience approval.vs>some faggot pushing a button and rolling a knob for a bunch of rich junkiesI wonder why
>>289811051>he language around electronic music being just generally fucking stupid, because most people who talk about it don't know anythingCan confirm. Worked in a record store for DJs from the late 90's to about 2010. Genre lables became meaningless.
>>289816806I think people who say this kind of stuff would basically disappear overnight if they actually knew how much skill is involved in DJing, especially with vinyl. There's a reason why Jeff Mills was worshipped to no end
>>289817147I mean, if you pull up any EZ set, you really do get it. I'm particularly fond of his boiler room, because he plays half of it on CDJs and then he starts pulling out the records and continues doing exactly the same thing on the turntables.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OraL6lKoyXE
>>289791440there is one
>>289820388what's this?
>>289821731the best piece of media about DJing, ever made.
>>289791440what about interstella 555or whatever that daft punk thing was
>>289823576Some people here might claim it's not anime
>>289824482>>289823576It's neither house nor techno.
>>289816981How does a record store for DJs differ from a regular record store for the unwashed masses?Did you listen to basically everything your store had?Did you ever come into contact with famous music people while working there?
>>289824998>How does a record store for DJs differ from a regular record store for the unwashed masses?They just sell different things, lots of these. Stuff aimed at DJs and electronic music weirdos, not so much Pink Floyd albums or whatever.
>>289800582>would be kino i'm tired of series that are basically the director or mangaka being like>>look at MY music taste that's like a middle schooler from burgerland >;]>he doesn't know about the biggest and most anticipated music anime being exactly this
>>289825301this shit isn't even good, it's boring as shit
>>289791440I assume there isn't any Post Punk anime either?
>>289825301Basic like unseasoned chicken.Only thing they're missing is Wonderwall.
>>289811517>However, learning actual instrumentsExplain to anybody with a functional brain how keyboads or computers are not "real instruments".>learning not only to sing, but to learn how to sing in a way that makes the most of your own voice, finding a group of other musicians you can both be good friends with, and collaborate on music, AND have the music wind up actually being good and well received etcEach of these things apply to plenty of electronic musicians.You're just dumb.There's more talent here alone than in 90% of guitar music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20zEcVf9UUY
>>289811517Are you aware that many trained musicians, some of them from classical backgrounds, produce electronic music? Just some food for thought.
>>289798155it's electronic music with build up and a drop
>>289811517>complaining about degwenracy in musicI can precisely tell that you're a white suburbanite Christian dork who listens videogame osts and shitty power metal like Sabaton A lot of musicians, including rap artists, are classically trained. Lady Gaga, Skrillex, and Kanye West played music at their church before branching out into other genres. You sound really silly when you complain about their lack of talent.
>>289828070NTA but why the hate for videogame osts so widespread? Sounds like people use it like a dirty word. What's wrong with this for example?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGTI8MKn7A0
>>289791440eureka 7
>>289828644It wasn't the focus of that anime.
>>289809733Suprised kpop going for that long consider how aggressive C-POP can be
You guys should try denonbu though
>>289829496Maybe if the government of the People's Republic would ease up on censoring every cultural product of relevance
