Volume 61Uchiha Brothers United FrontChapter 584: Yakushi Kabutohttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504Previous thread:>>289765131
Will the chapters ever be interesting again? Kabuto should have had his backstory forever ago. Kishi did not develop him well.
B&W
>>289813714>this is my favorite island … no one knows about itNo way he didn’t groom other children before here
>>289813714How did Orochimaru build and bring all these materials here by himself in secret?
>>289813786>>289813801The chakra scalpels seem way more effective than anything he's done in Sage Mode
>>289813728>You were awesome, Kabuto.
>>289813714What the fuck, his hideout isn't decorated with snakes / the entry way isn't a giant snake's mouth?What kind of shit tier hidden base is this? I expected better from you, Oro.It looks kind of comfy though
>>289813775Does the CIA do this
>>289813853Is this the only mention of the Sound village in all of part 2?
>>289813899Kishi is so gay
>>289813815I can’t believe orochimaru is fucking dead
>>289814014Why not
>>289813728That explains why they had to bring a nun out of retirement due to lacking good spies.
>>289813899Ah, the Sound Four being prisoners/test subjects wasn't something the filler made up, it came from this panel
>>289813749Did Kishi already forget how Danzo had a jutsu specifically made for making his subordinates unable to spill out any secret about Root even if they wanted to? >>289813775Do you really need to go to this extent when you exist in a world with magical abilities, and you could probably just use some jutsu to literally brainwash her into forgetting what Kabuto looked like?
This backstory started out almost interesting but now it's just retarded and I will not read.
>>289813909He literally put Orochimaru's corpse in a giant blender
>>289814127Based
This backstory is the most "ninja" sort of stuff in the whole series.
Done!
>>289813786>>289813801>blitz OrochimaruGODbuto upscale
>>289814103>Did Kishi already forget how Danzo had a jutsu specifically made for making his subordinates unable to spill out any secret about Root even if they wanted toDanzo knew his seal wouldn't work on GODbuto.
>>289813693>>289814192arigatou OP
>>289813853THIS is how you groom someone into being your 'sibling', Kabuto.
>>289814103The seal apparently doesn't work that well since they can still tell people that Danzo put the seal on them and what it does to them, which is enough to let anyone know he's shady.
>>289814128NINJA SCIENCE.
Sex with Shino!!!
>>289813920Man this guy really got beyond mindbroken
>>289813698Why and how was he watching lmao
>>289813728Horrible dialogues from Oro and stupid DANZO DID EVERYTHING WRONG plot
>>289813775What a fucking retarded plot. I often defend Kishimoto, even the war sometimes, but this... Wow
>>289814900It's very obvious he never knew what to do with Kabuto's character
Kishi should've made Kabuto the Bakura of the series. Actually give him a realistic motivation and keep him as someone that's friendly/minor foil to the main cast and have him slowly be built up as an actual main threat. This backstory and him injecting AIDS is very stupid.
>>289813870Good shot here at least
>>289814127The foundation part is retarded. The individuality stuff is decent
>>289813909woah... his distorted reflection in the bottle symbolising his warped self-identity... masterful work, kishimoto-sensei
>>289815060Never compare a genius like Takahashi to Kishimoto. Although I have no issue with Kabuto injecting AIDS into his blood here
YAWNNNN this chapter looked so boring that i just skipped reading it.
>>289813728>>289813749>>289813758>>289813775Danzo was so suicidally evil he would have ended destroying Konoha himself killing anyone competent.
>>289815134This reminds me of another, similar analogy by one of the greats, when, in the last chapter, Kabuto's distorted reflection in the water symbolized his warped self-identity...
>>289815166It's not a comparison. Kishi is oblivious on how to develop his characters and villains. Kabuto could have been much more interesting, but here we are.
>>289813944Easy when you don't have to break through Susanoo + Yata Mirror
Well, at least there's only 3-4 more chapters until we go back to Madara antics and seeing how useless the Kage, minus Oonoki, are.
T-1 day till we're back to Itachi bowl
>>289814103Maybe he hadn't developed it yet at that point?
>>289815505>edo-jinchuriki 2 tiers below the guy they effortlessly would've oneshot
>>289813889I agree with the anon from 1-2 threads ago.Kabuto should've been Sasori's agent from the get-go and that should've been the reason for why he has no memories instead of him becoming Sasori's pawn after he already started working for Orochimaru.
>>289813909He's just making Orochimaru broth.
>>289815599Which guy?
>>289813920>end of chapter>flashback still not doneomg wrap it up already.It was getting interesting again with Itachi and now this bullshit.
>>289815806No, we need a flashback of a character that's about to be disposed of
>>289813920>>289814176>>289814192Arigatou, OP!>>289814378HEY!
>>289815505Sasori being 2 tiers below Gaara doesn't feel right.
>>289813749>You ended up knowing too muchKnowing what? What information does kabuto possess that would be so threatening to konoha?
>>289815639Why do you type exactly like the post you're referencing?
>>289813775The one time when "Sharingan did it" would've made more sense and instead we get "she was just so dumb she never questioned why your face suddenly changed"
>>289815505Neji will end up in not impressed won't he?
So when Kabuto was acting like a genin during the Chuunin exams, wouldn't have Danzo noticed he was still alive?
>>289815639That sounds stupid
>>289813714An island where he brings young kids eh?>>289813728That’s so fucking stupid. Killing your best spy for “knowing too much” like what intel do they know that root feels is worth killing their own over?
>>289816055Danzo didn't exist yet
>>289815639why? let kishimoto cook. he's never made anything bad
>>289813853
>>289813909>>289813920thought he was gonna drink it
>>289813775I remember danzo brainwashing her but I didn’t remember it being this fucking stupid. Woulda been better just to say it was some genjustu spell
>>289815967Do you not have anything better to do with your life other than to constantly accuse other people of samefagging in these threads?
>>289816241yes, i do. but i can get blowjobs from my hot gf while posting on 4chan. i am sorry you can't multitask. btw, i just busted down her throat while typing this.
>>289816241Kek. Seething.
>>289813899Tayuya and Karin sharing a page together wowza!
>>289813749Is that a fucking Gorgon in that tank?
>>289815759KCM1 Naruto of course.
>>289815060I originally thought where he was going with kabuto’s character but I don’t think he had any idea until the war started and he needed to wrap up his storyline somehow
>>289816346>gets called a retard after acting retarded>calls it seethingLmao. Project harder.
>>289813749Damn Oro turning some dude into snakeman
>>289813698>Remember meeeeeee kabuto?!>When I took you and your mother!>I Talked!>JUST>LIKE>THHHIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS>*pulls kunai and a hypodermic*
>>289816450I wasn't even the anon who was replying to you, silly seether.
>>289813714>KABUTO>BEHOLD>MY PALATIAL LABOROTORY AND ISLAND ESTATE WITH ADJOINING BRIDGE TO THE MAINLAND>IT'S A SECRET TO EVERYBODY
>>289813775This is so cartoonishly evil and goofy kek. Couldn't Danzo just have Orochimaru kill them both? Why insist on having this woman and her adoptive son kill each other?
>>289813950>>289816560I don't see a bridge to the mainland, just a random light house. The color looks shitty.
>>289813920Not a bad chappy
>>289816594It's funnier.
>>289816174worse, puritan
>>289816671I don't understand why you need to bite her or how it was even discovered. Seems like some weird fetish shit Kishi has.
>>289816853>Oro has her fight to the death with other prisoners>Someone fighting her bites her and their wounds heal>Profit
>>289816990Nah, i think Kishi just has a biting fetish
>>289813775Nobody would've fallen for this IRL.Also, none of these people are too different than Kabuto, surely Nonou would have been like "Kabuto?" when she saw a white haired medic boy with glasses calling her "mother" and handwave any difference she's seeing to a concussion or something.
>>289813801>>289813815Why don't Sakura and Shizune do this?
>>289817135Sakura uses a scapel to cut open Naruto.
>>289813714Why is there a microscope in there? How did Orochimaru design that one on his own?
>>289816476That makes you even more pathetic then kek
>>289813815>WHO THE FUCK AM IAn orphan and medic shinobi? god, you don't have to be so dramatic about it. Plenty of orphan kids out there.
>>289817302>still seethingLol
>>289813728>Danzou wants to kill his most brilliant spies because they're just too good>But he's 100% cool with Orochimaru and him doing whatever the fuck he wants
>>289817347Nta, I just think you're really pathetic and embarrassing
>>289813909>DNA manipulation is as simple as dumping various ingredients into a pot of stew
>>289813758What if Orochimaru is lying and he did this stuff in order to get Kabuto on his side?
>>289813775Last chapter>Nono doesn't recognize Kabuto, and when Kabuto says outright "It's me, KABUTO", she keeps asking "who are you?">implying Nono was brainwashed into forgetting Kabuto altogetherThis chapter>Nono didn't recognize Kabuto simply because she thought he had a slight different look
>>289817347He doesn't sound like he's seething, he's just saying you're a retard. And he's right.
>>289817382>still seethingLmao
>>289817462>i-im not seethingKek. This is getting embarrassing.
>>289813909Why didn't he take Sasuke's DNA.
>>289815967Impressive how much this set him off
>>289817533He forgot.
>>289817544it happens everyday
>>289817533you think you can STEAL an Uchiha's power by taking a blood sample? think again, loser
>>289817474>>289817503>>289817544>>289817573>samefagging this hardlmao
>>289817342Kishimoto desperately wanted this to be the theme of Kabuto
>>289813920This is so goofingly simple you'd think everyone would be doing it.
>>289817592Nope
>>289817659>still seethinglol
>>289817653What? this kind of pseudo scientific facility could only have been developed by a mad genius like Oro
>>289817544idk what part of this you consider setting him off. most of the replies are just anons calling each other retards and saying that the other poster is seething.
>>289815505Tenten too low
>>289817717samefag
>>289817717>what part of this you consider setting him offThe thread
Seems someone is desperate for attention. Guess I'll come back later when the thread is in its necro-bumping state.
>>289815505Why is Kabuto so high? he doesn't have crazy destructive power or jutsus? healthy Nagato is a cheat code that needed to be taken out by another cheat code
>>289817177I meant offensively.
>>289813920My headcanon:Along with Izanami, Itachi also made Kabuto believe he was always devoted into finding his true self.This whole "Kabuto always had identity disphoria all his life" doesn't fit Kabuto's character at all.
>>289817761"Necrobump" is not a term that applies to 4chan. It has the wrong definition here. That is an old forum term where threads could last months and years.
>>289817696But part 1 told me the anbu of each village completely erased their shinobi's corpses precisely to avoid this kind of situation.
>>289813815>>289813825>>289813838>>289813853Insane levels of kino here. The War arc ain't that bad after all.
>>289813728>>289813749>>289813758>>289813775Only Kishimoto can put so many crimes aganst humanity on a character -Danzo- who's long dead and doesn't matter to the plot anymore
>>289815639Damn, and this post was an honest attempt at normal discussion, too. Shame it attracted all these flamewar retards.
>>289818043If Kishi really felt like taking a shit he would have said Danzo timetraveled and also caused the Senju and Uchiha conflict.
>>289818150Fuckface is still butthurt from getting his low quality posts deleted yesterday so now he must make it everyone's problem
>>289818155I'm legit surprised he didn't say Danzo was the one that forced the cursed forehead mark on the Hyuga's branch family, though that's probably only because he forgot about the Hyuga completely.
>>289818280He remembers them, he just doesn't care.
>>289818313>He remembers themHe does?
>>289815933you seem kabuto knows what the enemy villages know, and the enemy villages know things about konoha they thought they didn't know, and they know that he knows other people in other villages and could tell them what he knows so they also know, you know?
>>289816062Why?
>>289817787Because he slaps Edo Itachi around. That means either Kabuto is high or Itachi is lower.
>>289817948Nobody cares. You seethe about this everytime someone says it.
>>289813775>>289813758>look closely kabuto>we used AI fakes to make her slopbrained>she hasn't seen a photo of a real person in five years
>>289818238You're the problem
>>289816594Because you need to know that danzo is evil. Ignore all the other times it’s been shown how evil his is.
>>289818332If he didn't they would never appear.
>>289813775DANZO USED AI
>>289818238Kek. This is why I still come back every now and then. Sad pathetic posters like you just make it obvious this dead general is all you have going on in your life. Always makes me feel better that I'm not as pathetic as you lol.
>>289818558I'm your problem.
>>289818238Are you the archive schizo?>>289818897Based
>>289818238You got him riled up anon. Please don't do that again
>>289819022>Archive schizo I'm talking about last thread with the complaints about posts getting nuked.
>>289818897Definitely touched a nerve with this>>289819191I wasn't in the last thread, but it's been awhile since I've seen comments being nuked in these threads. Kinda figured most people left.
>>289813853>yes our sovereign village where our lives will be simpler and real easy from now on
>>289819328I read the archives. Some of you really need to step away from this website. Seems there's like 2-3 schizos attached to these threads.
So, why didn't Kabuto grabbed a sample of Hinata's DNA when he healed her?Why didn't he took Sasuke's DNA in the 3 years they spent together?
>>289820422Go outside anon. The thread's dead. No need to necrobump.
>>289820447It was on page 4, that's not a necrobump you idiot.
>>289820472It was page 8. Actually.
>>289820537Sorry if i didn't reload the page before replying to make sure i wasn't necrobumping?
>>289820604It's okay anon. Go outside.
>>289813853SHAMONE
Hiashi won.
>>289813899>yes kabuto>we need to complete the penis inspection day>it's very critical to my plans
>>289816172This is her acting like a innocent academy student. then she summons the demons and tortures you in the dark flute realm
>>289820447>necrobumpNot a 4chan word. This thread is not even a day old so that term can NOT apply here.
>>289820770>if I keep saying it, it'll make it true
>>289820801Precisely, so why do you keep saying "necrobump"? It's a forum term that has no place here. You are using it incorrectly.
>>289820933You realize more than 1 person says it, right? You're in the minority here pal. None of us care you believe the word is used "incorrectly".
>>289817910Kind of a weird theory. Isn't it simpler to admit Kishimoto decided to retcon the character a bit to fit the villain = sad backstory template?
>>289821003At this point, I just say it because I know it triggers his autism
>>289821137As long as you know you're wrong, at least.
>>289813909
>>289821290To bump a thread that is dated, old, hasn't received any activity in a LONG time. A thread that is effectively dead.4chan has no dead threads except for threads that are closed or deleted. 4chan does not keep open threads for multiple weeks, months or years.The term does not apply on 4chan.
>>289821385>The term does not apply on 4chanYou keep telling yourself that schizo, I'm sure you're convincing all of us to stop using it correctly here.
>chapters are so bad anons are discussing the correct use of "necro-bumping" instead Quality threads.
>>289821211
>fooling literally nobody>been at it for YEARS at this point
>>289813728>>289813853>Root wanted to eliminate you>that's why I'm going to put you back into konoha as a regular ninja, make you attend the academy, put you on missions and let you participate in the chunin exams multiple times all under your real name
>>289817135Because they're women in a Kishi manga/
>>289822088Kishimoto's writing is legitimately offensive.
>289822080What did he mean by this?
>>289822088you have to understand that Danzou was even more committed to letting Orochimaru do whatever he wanted and get away with everything than Hiruzen. the only thing he did against Orochimaru was trying to assassinate Sasuke, and we all know that he just wanted that Uchiha dead.
>>289813920>awww yeaaah inject that shit right into my veins
>>289813775>>289813786wait I'm confused. If Orochimaru has been dispatched by Root to take out the sole survivor, does this mean the flashback is from before he officially turned into a missing nin, and he is still (on paper at least) loyal to konoha?
>>289813775all of those fake ninja info cards
>>289822194It's impossible to tell, since Danzou continued to work with Orochimaru after he went missing.
>>289813853I shouldn't even have to mention the copious amount of retcon applied here
>>289822088I don't remember the exact exchange between Danzo and Orochimaru during Tenchi Bridge, but my head canon is that they both remained in contact/worked together even after Orochimaru's banishment. They both shared the same goal of retiring Hiruzen, and the Pain arc showed that Danzo doesn't care if the village gets demolished in order for him to take the mantle.
>>289821385>4chan does not keep open threads for multiple weeks, months or years.You mean /a/ doesn't? You clearly don't go onto other boards. I was on /y/ earlier and saw an open thread started in 2024.
>>289822088Pookie bears
>>289813728>You were awesome, Kabuto. >Top 5 glowies I ever spied on
>>289822088The artwork for part 1 looks really nice and clean
>>289822088I still find it really funny how Kabuto was a Kakashi level fighter and Orochimaru's most important henchman who ended up starting the next world war while the other guys from his team were 2 literal who massive shitters who couldn't even take out genin Sasuke.
>>289813899Imagine Oro and Kabuto taking turns "testing" Karin that day
>>289822833Do you think Yoroi hated Kabuto so much because Orochimaru was the one who forced the name onto him just to match theming of their group all being named after armor pieces?
>>289822425smolnata
>>289822278>Bottom right panelBut none of the konoha rookies' teams had any medic until part 2.In fact, Team Gai and 8 didn't even get a medic nin by part 2.
>>289813728>You did your job too well, so you had to be eliminated. Did I mention that the root is lacking good spies?>>289813758So cartoonishly evil
>>289813853At this point I figured Otogakure had been soft-retconned
>>289823526>You did your job too well, so you had to be eliminated. Did I mention that the root is lacking good spies?I wonder if that's when Danzo decided to make the root tongue seal
>>289817653I think most people don't want Orochimaru juice inside them
>>289822823That's how I feel when I read early One Piece arcsIt's so tragic when authors start clogging up the backgrounds with unnecessary shit
>>289823898Doesn't have to be his Juice, could be anyone else's.
>>289813698>hey, aren't you...?>That's right. I'm Sploosh.
>>289813749>you ended up knowing too much>>289813758>assassination was planned the moment Kabuto joined the foundationA retcon literally one page later. Has to be a record of some kind.
>>289813714>behold my secret science mansion >no one knows about itHuh???
>>289813728You would think there would be some sort of mind wipe ninjutsu that they could use on their spies
>>289824165Fucking kek
>>289824072Orochimaru did freaky genetic experiments to himself, I don't think it works if you just try to inject distilled Uchiha blood inside yourself
>>289813909How the fuck did kabuto get that giant snake corpse up there??
>>289824410He scooped it up with that bowl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8mNncnEQJkdo we trust kishimoto to deliver a good LA movie?
>>289824544Only if he gets that editor to ghost write for him again.
thanks for another fun daily thread everyone
>>289824544No
>>289824381I'm going to assume that whether or not it works is luck based, which would explain why Kabuto even needed Sakon's kekkei genkai to the abilities of the other sound members.
>>289824381It works at this point of the story.
>>289824544>AI slopDios mio
>>289822370once, long long ago, threads were deleted just for being old.
>>289822833>I still find it really funny how Kabuto was a Kakashi level fighter and Orochimaru's most important henchman who ended up starting the next world war while the other guys from his team were 2 literal who massive shitters who couldn't even take out genin Sasuke.It gets better. Their names conveniently had the same theme as his! Yoroi = Armor, Kabuto = Helmet, and I forgot/don't care about the third one.
>>289825010maybe there'll be a reason to do that again soon. the oldest thread on this board is 13 days old. that's almost two weeks. it's gotten quiet...
>>289823142>>289822425Team 8 spinoff fucking when
>>289814192thanks op. orochimaru was a true hero of the people.
Maybe everybody would have been better off if Orochimaru did destroy Konoha.
>>289822161
>>289825627>Raikage has 10W and Hanabi 10L
>>289825627Aw, you saved your boyfriend's comments. Cute.
>>289823142What an ugly looking child
>>289824544Kishi hasn't delivered anything good in 2 decades.
>>289813853>Orochimaru wants to create a village which celebrates individuality as opposed to ROOT which erases the self>this is supposed to be the villain
>>289825477When some japanese writer wills it.Unfortunately, we can't be like the Hokuto no Ken community where even Jagi gets a spin off of his own.
>>289825627Please don't keep this up, the thread was peaceful for a while.
>>289813920>Looksmaxxers c. 2026
>>289826231>translator note: peaceful means dead
How do you feel about kabuto's character
>>289825477Goddamn I hate how hard Kishi forgot about them in part 2, and when they are present like in the Sasuke vs Itachi arc they do fuck all. They were so much cooler than Shikashit's team.
>>289826289Need to see Kabuto smashing his face with hammers
>>289826426Why don't you read the thread?
>>289826518Why don't you answer the question
>>289826443They had not only a dog but also a sexy drunk neechan archetype for a teacher… and you could make the argument that Kiba, Shino, and Hinata fit the tsundere, kuudere, and dandere archetypes pretty well. God, the soil is so rich when it comes to what could have been done with them.
>>289826145The problem is that part 1 Orochimaru was a serial killer while part 2 Orochimaru wants to be a black ops agent
>>289818150I don't believe anyone actually comes here for discussion anymore. Most comments are shitty reactions or no-substance replies. Then you have the drama instigating fags. This daily is dead.
>>289826569Kiba has some really womanly hands in that pic.
>>289826565Because I already made a comment expressing what I thought about Kabuto's character.
>>289826585Nah, here's what an actual dead thread looks likehttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/282986493/#282986493
>>289826604Kiba is a fag so it makes sense. >inb4 TamakiThey have no kids and are unmarried… she is an obvious beard
>>289826443Their teams is pretty lame though >KibaBrunette Naruto, and lame fighting style>Hinata Only purpose is to end up with the MC and pales to Neji for fighting >ShinoIsn't even a character. Don't know anything about him. >Kurenai Is unfortunately a woman in Kishi's manga
>>289826628>Then you have the drama instigating fagsLike i said
>>289826426I mean, I do appreciate that he's one of the few strong and relevant characters in the final arc that isn't an Uchiha or Naruto, and I really liked him in part 1, but him being a main villain like this just doesn't fit him. I know that that's kind of the point with him stealing Orochimaru's persona, but he's just not that interesting. It would've been better if Oro actually took over his body and he was the one with sage mode and the one controlling the edos (though at the same time I probably wouldn't want to see him in this fight with Sauce and Itachi just to watch him job to these Uchiha shits for a third time).Also, like many others, his backstory is really lame and unnecessary. Yeah, we get it, he's an orphan and he wants to be loved and accepted, there are like 50 other fucking characters in this story with this kind of past.
Maybe it's because kabuto is one of the first antagonists, but I found this backstory much more interesting than the previous war arc storylines. It was pretty good if we ignore the danzo shit.
>>289826824It was horrendous and makes no sense even without the retcons.
>>289826707>Don't know anything about him.All you need to know is that he was made to please hoardes of older men moments before his parasitic insects kill them from the inside out. He was put on Kurenai’s team for a reason.
Good thread
Shit thread
>>289826707>>Kiba>Brunette Naruto, and lame fighting styleHe has a cool design. Should've been given some pseudo sage mode.>>Hinata>Only purpose is to end up with the MC and pales to Neji for fightingBlame Kishi for not developing her. She's still a more interesting character than Ino or Tenten (I'd argue she has more going on than Sakura, too).>>Shino>Isn't even a character. What do you even mean by that?>Don't know anything about him.Again, blame Kishi.
>>289826955I did blame Kishi for the women>What do you even mean by that?Shino is a noncharacter anon. He barely talks. After the chuunin exams he's just *there* and Kishi sidelined him hard in favor of a worse characters like Choji and Shikamaru.
Couldn't they technically make a Naruto: Super since there's a huge timeskip after the war?
>>289826824>previous war arc storylinesSuch as?
>>289827042Nta but there was that backstory for Bee and Ay, which was also really boring.
>>289827026Pointless spoiler. Yes they could do a lot with Naruto if they wanted to, but do we really need another forced IP dragonball equivalent? Just let the series die. Boruto is already bad enough. You don't need to keep milking the dead cash cow.
>>289827021Shino could have been written like Nagato Yuki but Kishi can’t do moe very well at all so he just let him roam free in the pastures so to speak.
>>289826145Oro isn't being honest, he doesn't really care about shinobi individuality, he's just saying whatever Kabuto wants to hear
>>289827042The jinchurikis and the tailed beasts, the previous one.
>>289826346Yeah, that's better than the alternative.
>>289826824It's only interesting because we knew nothing about Kabuto, but the backstory is pretty stupid. I don't remember if Obito's is any good, but I can't wait for the "you let her die" line.
>>289827085>Nagato YukiImagine him doing this; https://youtu.be/RwG-Kg_JDdk
>>289826707But isn't that exactly what makes them endearing in an underdog way?
>>289827230I don't find any of them endearing. I like Kurenai's design. That's the best thing I can say for them.
>>289827139Óbito is the worst character in the series by far. Kabuto gives me nostalgia for early naruto.
>>289826955>(I'd argue she has more going on than Sakura, too)Why do you say that?
>>289827354Oh god. Not waifuwars.
nice and fun thread
Lame and stupid thread
>>289814823It's Oro. Do you really need to ask?
>>289827331Kaguya is worst.
>>289827354It's just that she has more interesting elements attached to her as a character. She was supposed to the heiress to her clan but then got rejected for being too weak, she is initially too kind and soft-hearted to be a shinobi, and she is connected to Neji who is more or less meant to be her slave and his dad died after she got kidnapped. Meanwhile, the only motivations Sakura has is that she wants to protect her teammates and she has a crush on some runaway terrorist because she thought he was cool in the academy. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but she is a pretty boring character.
>>289827470>She was supposed to the heiress to her clanTo be fair. That applies to basically all of Naruto's classmates.
>>289813714Orochimaru treats his instruments of torture poorly. Kabuto would never.
Dead thread
>>289813775He's so ugly lmao>>289815986That makes sense actually. Kabuto left the orphanage when he was like 6 years old, and the fake Kabuto initially looked a lot like him. Kids can change a lot as they grow.
>>289827820>That makes sense actuallyIn a world where you can transform into a rock, the fact she didn't even question it or think twice about someone calling her Mom is very stupid.
>>289827902I think he used the english word mother, so he called her a nun, also she was literally dying.
>>289827940She still should have questioned it at some point or at least done a "Kabuto?" As she was dying instead of "who are you" given how stupid this backstory is. Just mind erase her or some put a genjutsu on her. The long game brainwashing is just not believable in this setting when better options exist. It's like Kishi read about FBI/CIA techniques and tried to incorporate it in the story.
>>289827325How do you not find Hinata's self esteem issues endearing at face value at least?
>>289827523Not Kiba and Sakura, he's just a random Inuzuka.
>>289828091The whole manga is stupid.Using this >>289827902 logic, the real Kabuto looked like an enemy ninja trying to impersonate Kabuto via shitty transformation jutsu based on outdated info to get some intel out of Nonou before she croaks.
>>289828188>he's just a random InuzukaHis mom is literally the clan head.
>>289828172>Hinata's self esteem issuesI personally found them annoying. It's like Choji going through the exact same characterization in the war that he had back in part 1.
>>289828221She's not.
>>289828355You still have Choji, Shikamaru, Ino, Sasuke, and Shino(?). So what does it matter? Hinata isn't unique in this aspect.
>>289828306>It's like Choji going through the exact same characterization in the war that he had back in part 1But Hinata (and Lee) did it first.
>>289828500>Kishi is an unoriginal hackWe know
>>289813889I don't even remember why Oro joined Akatsukiwhat was in it for him?
>>289828657Bitches
>>289828657He was probably recruited like most of them. Doesn't seem like any of them sought out the organization to join it, except for maybe Itachi.
>>289828306Hinata's issues are at least more respectable since her background is more grounded in Ninja history rather than Choji just being fat.
>>289813693NS 4 life
>>289828986Based
>>289828948Idk anon. The idea these self conscious kids are supposed to go on life or death missions is just silly to think about. Hinata would be such a burden on the team with her timid shy nonsense.
>>289826145He's not lying. He did create a village that celebrates individuality, his own. His top henchmen are also quite an eccentric bunch, and his favorite is Sasuke, a schizo avenger turned revolutionary. Oro's kids are very likely literal clones of him, but they look nothing like him, and he trained/brainwashed the younger one to disobey him and follow his own path to surpass his parent.
>>289829199 for >>289827114
>>289829175>Hinata would be such a burden on the team with her timid shy nonsense.Yeah, that's kind of the point.
>>289813775Sai how are the fake Kabuts coming along, did you make his nose really big like I told you
>>289815173>>289814127>>289821723Nobody reads the chapters in this general.
>>289828436I think anons point is more so that the Hyuuga impose more expectations imposed upon the heir.Also Sasuke no longer has a clan by part 1 and Itachi would've been the heir if it was still alive.
>>289829175Hinata being an untalented kind hearted person in a family and world that value strength and utility above all else is exactly why she's endearing, because there's a conflict of ideals and she's trying to conform and contribute with all her being.Hell, fucking Lee and Naruto were paralyzed from fear in their early missions, seeing Hinata go through that wouldn't be any more egregious.
>>289829566>Hyuuga impose more expectations imposed upon the heirWe don't really know the expectations of the other clans, and Hinata was just a shitter disappointment. They probably would have treated her better if she was good. No idea why she was forced to he a shinobi anyway. She's a female. Her role was always going to be a housewife.
Big fat tits.
>>289829708You find her endearing because you like her design.
>>289817342Amnesiac ones? Turned into a spy with gorillion fake identities? Replaced by some ugly bastard with a big honking schnozz and nearly assassinated by their adoptive parent? Molested by a sexy snake man in their very own evil lair? I don't think so.
>>289829708>Hinata being an untalented kind hearted person in a family and world that value strength and utility above all else is exactly why she's endearingSpeak for yourself. It's just another rehash of failed loser troupe that we saw with Naruto, Lee, Choji and even Sakura. You just like Hinata because she has tits. >>289829743
>>289829782>It's just another rehash of failed loser troupe that we saw with Naruto, Lee, Choji and even Sakura.But she's different enough to stand out among then.>You just like Hinata because she has titsI liked Hinata before getting my first boner/noticing her chest, so no.
>>289829743I always preferred Tsunade's.
>>289829862>But she's different enough to stand out among thenBecause she has tits. That's all the difference is.
>>289829782Naruto and Sakura were losers because they lacked guidance and were fucking LAZY.Choji is just fat.Only Lee and Hinata really felt like they were fighting uphill battles, but they were different in their own way, Lee was effectively disabled and Hinata had her early years be nothing but multiple humiliation rituals one after the other.
>>289829907I already like Lee for similar traits and he doesn't have any tits.
>No! You cannot like a f*male for her ""character""!!!
>>289814017Nope. Iirc it's on a map in the war arc, don't ask why.
>>289829725>We don't really know the expectations of the other clansBut the Hyuuga are already established to be hella strict and prideful, so it's safe to assume the pressure is higher.>and Hinata was just a shitter disappointment. They probably would have treated her better if she was good.Pretty sure that was the point anon was making, it would've been cool to see her gain their respect.>She's a female. Her role was always going to be a housewife.Calma down there, Kishi.
>>289829743cute playful toes
>>289829972You don't like Choji though even though he's the exact same. They even highlight how he's the kindest person in their friend group.
>>289830114Imagine Naruto running up and punting her face in like a football lol
>>289829725>No idea why she was forced to he a shinobi anyway.She wasn't, Hiashi didn't care if she died in a mission and Neji implied she could've spent the rest of her life chasing cats in D rank missions if she wanted, Hinata is doing it out of spite.
>>289830139Because Choji's schtick is just not well executed enough for me to care about him.
you will never convince me that kabuto's backstory didn't just go like this in real time for kishimoto>literally just supposed to be a nerdy konoha genin infodump at first, his lauded ninja info cards are literally never used again, implying his plot purpose changed almost immediately>hey it would be cool if orochimaru had like, secret spies inside konoha, umm, these guys I guess, and oh! info card guy, what was his name? him too.>what if he was like, secretly orochimaru's right hand man? I know that makes no sense, what with him on a years long mission to...take the chuunin exam a bunch of times, but it's so COOL, let's draw him with a scary face! oh yeah, I'm totally doing that>umm I need somebody to be working with sasori... kabuto isn't doing anything>I'm not done writing orochimaru scenes, but he's sealed in the gg totsuka blade... what if kabuto just injected boiled orochimaru skins into his veins and like...BECAME orochimaru? no, editor-san, look, it makes sense, because orochimaru is the Weird Science Guy... he came out of a curse mark, okay? we are way past making sense, and I want to do it!>also at some point he "travelled to snake mountain" and spent years training to achieve sage mode? when did he have time to do this? who knows?and then after performing edo tensei, kishi doesn't have anything else to do with him, but milk him for pages and give itachi and sasuke another undeserved win on the side (itachi was even already dead and he's winning more fights!)
>>289829942Lee is the only one I was fine with. Choji is lame, no idea why Kishi kept giving him so much screen time. Naruto ironically got worse the more Kishi tried to develop him. Sakura didn't have any actual guidance until Tsunade, so it's not entirely her fault. Ino had her clan. Hinata had her clan. Sakura was left out to dry and was ignored by Kakashi in favor of Sasuke. TenTen i guess had Guy? Not like she ever accomplished anything interesting.
>>289830205You forgot the "will he won't he" plotline of him potentially betraying Orochimaru for unspecified reasons that gets killed off for good in the Tsunade Retrieval arc. Also him healing Hinata for genuinely no reason.
>>289830222to me the ending of Naruto and the magic rabbit goddess from the moon just shows that Kishimoto never had any idea what the fuck he was doingimagine developing characters to have these little relationships and ugly cry all the time and try and build up these hype moments and what you always had in mind for the end (or didn't, what's worse?) that a rabbit god from the moon would come down and Team 7 would have to fight her together, I just don't give a shit anymoreit's so fucking stupid
>>289830163
>>289830222>Hinata had her clan.I don't think Hinata was being trained by any Hyuuga after getting disowned, only in the timeskip they would accept her back to train.
>>289830205You could probably do this for literally every character kek
>>289830391She was still trained enough to know their techniques. Sakura and Naruto(and maybe Tenten) are the only ones that received no specialized training until they met the Sannin.
>>289830425She knew how to use the byakugan and use basic gentle fist pokes but couldn't block chakra points and such.I'm not really trying to underdog scale here.
>>289830205I think Kabuto was always meant to be something, but Kishi never knew what direction to take him. He was alluded not to be loyal to Orochimaru in his introduction. Was played up in the beginning as being skilled, but Orochimaru wanted Sasuke, so Kabuto's actual relationship with Orochimaru never really got fleshed out and eventually Kabuto just ends up being super loyal to him, no questions asked.
>>289830510I won't track it down but doesn't Kabuto sort of halfway threaten to kill Sasuke just because he's jealous of Orochimaru's attention towards him? But Kabuto knew by then Orochimaru's methods and plan for Sasuke... was he mad that he wasn't the one getting killed and used as a host body?
>>289830488>but couldn't block chakra points and suchIt's implied she could, Neji was just that much better.
>>289830573Kishi might not even have thought about Orochimaru being able to swap bodies when that scene was written.
>>289830573I assume you're talking about this. His whole conversation with Orochimaru makes no sense with how we see him later.
>>289830604>It's implied she couldNo, that's exclusive to 64 palms and other advanced techniques, Hinata's pokes were only stated to be "regular" gentle fist which only attacks the chakra network but doesn't block it.
>>289830678Kabuto looked a little disgusted with Orochimaru when he mentioned dying Sasuke in his colors, and Orochimaru noticed and decided to tease him. However, it wound up being a tease of the readers that never paid off.
>>289830678>>289830695id like to point out that neji can block chakra flow even in lee and deny lee his eight gates shit and this feels like a tremendous oversight considering this actually happened in shippuden too with shira
>>289830695Damn. Hinata is a shitter.
>>289830205Now that I think of it Kabuto has a surprising amount of longevity, first appears at the very beginning of the chuunin exams and makes it all the way to the end of the war arc.
>>289830751She can still make people bleed internally which is the most important thing about the fighting style anyway, she's just not fast enough to do anything with lmao.
My biggest issue with Hinata fans is how hypocritical they are. Every female in this story is written horribly when it comes to romance and Hinata is no exception. She develops a one-sided die hard crush on Naruto even though he never acknowledges her but she gets a pass for this when Ino and Sakura are ridiculed for obsessing over Sasuke, which is just as bad. Hinata just idolizes Naruto and eventually charges in to die for him against Pain despite there being 0 development between the two of them after the chuunin exams. It so bad. Kishi at least admits he doesn't know shit with romance, but I never understood how Hinata fans have no issue with her crush on Naruto when it's just as bad as the other females.
>>289830948Nobody brought up romance bro.
I like Naruto girls because of their tit size. More size more like.
>>289830962Doesn't change anything i said, especially since Hinata's entire character is just to be the MCs ship.
>>289831061Bleach is better
>>289831103Bleach also has some massive-breasted girls. Good all around.
>>289831061>>289831103>>289831135bleach is /fa/ the anime with some swords mixed in. if you ignore any of the nonsensical writing and just want to enjoy some visuals its great. is it worse than naruto? probably, but who fuckin cares? kubo sure doesnt he just wants to draw stacked bitches with good clothingi say this as a narutofag
>>289831184>is it worse than naruto?No. I don't think so. Especially not after re-reading Naruto in this failed general. I think Bleach held up way better.
>>289831229> I think Bleach held up way better.How so?
>>289831061
>>289831229i dont remember asking what you think but since you said it anyway, bleach is holding up significantly better especially so because boruto exists
>>289831184>is it worse than naruto? probablynot a chanceall of part 2 is liquid shit
>>289831229>>289831238To be honest, I think Bleach is the best of the big 3 when taken in their entirety.It has the weakest start, but it never manages to reach the lows of the Shinobi War or Wano. The worst I can say is that the ending is rushed, but I've come to realize that rushed is better than padded.
>>289831401>The worst I can say is that the ending is rushedAt least the final villain didn't come out of left field and existed for the sole purpose of making a shitty sequel. Yhwach >>>> Space bunny.
The war arc is a viable contender for worst shit ever made, and not just among the big 3.
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Was this whole identity confusion actually a theme with Kabuto before this flashback?
>>289832230No, it's just a reflection of the author not knowing what to do with the character.
>>289830704It wasn't simple teasing. This shit comes up again in the search for Tsunade arc, a moment before Kabuto comes to warn Oro about Tsunade's betrayal. Also disloyal Kabuto fakeout happens again on the Tenchi bridge, so looking shifty around Orochimaru (at least to the reader) is a substantial part of Kabuto's character.
>>289813775This ugly fuck's big schnozz is doubly hilarious because of picrel. I don't know shit about samurai armors, but this guy's face is probably meant to look like this kind of mask that Orochimaru's eldest clone son (so basically Kabuto's replacement) wears with his armor in the gaiden. Incidentally (or not) Log's armor also lacks helmet. This whole chapter/origin story actually plays out a lot like Mitsuki gaiden.
>>289823384if i was kishi's lawyer, i'd say it's a bit wasteful to assign medics to (supervised) scrubs only used for menial labor and stomping down on thugs. and some squads even develop their own medics naturally, so there's a decent chance it sorts itself out before they are ready to do any big boy missions. and if not, you just reshuffle teams and that's that. now team 8 or gai squad is undefendable desu. an oversight likethis is downright comical with a god level medic as hokage that (hilariously) also supposedly innovated that very change. maybe all that boozing made the dementia kick in early for tsunade, lol.
>>289814857But he did, everything Danzo did served no purpose to protect Konoha in the end.
>>289822088What could they do about it? No one outside the foundation knew anything of this and getting rid of Kabuto would raise a lot of questions.
Kabuto’s character stopped working the second he stopped being Orochimarus secretary and set up his own business
>>289817410Isn't that how the Powerpuff Girls got created?
>>289813889When did Orochimaru join foundation? After being kicked out of Akatsuki?
>>289834416Professor Kabutonium...
>>289816197It looks like prune juice...>>289815134Does Kabuto self-id as a muppet?
>>289834335ROOT should have guys that can make it look like an accident. I'm sure all those Uchiha eyes that mysteriously disappeared or vicious Orochimaru crimes raised all kinds of questions, but fuckall ever happened to either of them. I guess no one ever reinstated the police after Itachi genocided them. Sandaime-sama, you little rascal. Anyways, I digress. The bottom line is that casting doubt is not enough. You'd need incontrovertible proof they did him in and even that might not be enough in a corrupt shithole such as Konoha.
>>289829782>Naruto, Lee, Choji and even SakuraHer arc came before Choji and Sakura, and her arc is also different enough from Naruto's and Lee's.
>>289828986this was Naruto's infinite tsukuyomi dream
>>289834254I'm not arguing it's not canon in Kishimoto's head. I'm saying it's a retarded subplot
>>289831308Part 1 wasn't very good either. Naruto was always bad manga carried by vibes from part 1 and 2000s angst
>>289835537cope
So what did Kabuto and Mother know that was too much?
>>289835551If I were coping I'd defeat this trash heap for nostalgia reasons.
>>289835567Danzo's dick size.
>>289835589Defend*>>289835567Kishimoto doesn't know.Same way he couldn't give Mother proper reasons for that long term spying mission, it's as simple as "erm.. 5 villages... village A might be trying to attack us we don't know.. missions and such...". That's the entire worldbuilding.
>>289835537thats untrue. the power system and visuals alone are phenomenal. Chidori/raikiri was the coolest thing in the universe for a good while.
>>289835634The power system was always bad and made no sense at all. I think what you mean is "we had some pretty iconic designs for attacks and characters", and yes, that is mostly true, but my point still stands. It's carried by vibes, and on most levels it's pretty fucking bad.
>>289835537*opens the 4th gate*>RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH*teleports behind you*>Never cook again niggaRASENGANN
>>289835802That was badass
>>289835537>>289835761seething shitpooden guzzler
>>289826797>there are like 50 other fucking characters in this story with this kind of past.The obligatory brother figure was an overkill.
>>289836000Shippuden is also bad don't worry
>>289814128yummy orochimaru juice, freshly squeezed
>>289822370and there's a thread in /po/ that was posted in 2016
>>289826346I don't know what your standards for a dead thread are, but hundreds of posts every single day doesn't really fit.
>Urushi>bootleg Kabuto>Log's samurai maskWhat is it with Kabuto and getting cucked out of a parent figure by a fat-nosed chud?
>>289837433If they're by one person they don't really count
>>289835761What's wrong with the power system? You've got regular & illusion magic powered by some fuel (not everyone has the same -> elemental affinities), and physical prowess. By specializing and combining these, together with fundamentals like how do direct your juice, hand signs, elemental affinities, tool usage, and general fitness you create your style as a ninja. It's a mish-mash of different ideas that borrows from HxH in places, but I don't see anything that dooms it to fail outright. Even the bloodline limits that haunted Naruto through much of its run are primarily a problem with execution, not the system itself. I will admit that it sounds like a nightmare to balance and (obviously) Kishimoto shat the bed completely, but if done properly it would've been ahead of most battle shounen EASILY. It doesn't hold a candle to actually excellent systems (i.e.: see WT) and even stuff like nen probably kicks its ass all things considered. But not being able to make this foundation into something that can be confidently claimed is better than what you see in OP, Bleach, JoJo, ... is a skill issue tbdesu.
>>289838641>(obviously) Kishimoto shat the bed completely, yes, the minute jutsu that instantly delete anyone with a single glance unless they have super-specific counters got introduced, it all turned to shit (and I'm not exaggerating, its literally how Amaterasu, tsukuyomi, kamui and the rest work)>but ifthat sadly never happened
>>289838641I think he is talking about the way it was implemented. The system itself is cool as it is explained, but in practice everyone just does whatever they want, while ignoring the restrictions the powersystem should be putting on them.Part 1 has retarded shit like Sasuke copying Lee's speed too.
>>289835537Truke
>>289838902You don't have to tell me. I was in the trenches reading this shit weekly back then. fucking sunk cost fallacy, man. So you weren't talking conceptually, got it. >>289838908Didn't he just train really hard for a month? Not that that makes it any better. Imagine busting your ass for years only to have some faggot come in and steal all your moves with his gay magic eyes. And then he matches your speed, too, after a month of summer camp. How do you not rope on the spot if you're Lee?
>>289839615>Imagine busting your ass for years only to have some faggot come in and steal all your moves with his gay magic eyes.Rock Lee got that speed after less than a year with Guy.
>>289839719I think it was implied that Gai at least watched over him during his academy days. The anime made it explicit with a backstory, which is not something they could've aired without Kishi's direct approval. It also doesn't really make sense that he would survive ninja academy with no one in his corner and neither talent, nor an insane work ethic.
>>289838641It's a mess. Hiruzen used 5 elements against 5 elements and only matched them without using type advantage
>>289840352It was explicit that he was genuine dog shit until Guy got personally involved and lifted him up to the point where even Neji got surprised by how quickly he has changed.
>>289839615>Didn't he just train really hard for a month?15 days actually.
>>289840530Honestly, fuck you for making me check the episode. He didn't do anything hands on until after graduation, but he's "scouting" him while Lee is still in the academy, silently impressed with his long and gruesome workouts. Him improving by leaps and bounds after meeting Gai doesn't change the fact that he was busting his ass FOR YEARS, as I said.
>>289841634Because the revenge obsessed Sasuke just sat around doing nothing all day, right?This has always been a retarded thing to quibble over.
>>289832230>>289832965>necro-bumping
>>289835537Facts
>>289842219No but things very clearly came easier to Sauce because he was a geniusHow can you not understand this
>>289837433Samefagging can only obfuscate so much...
>>289842219Yeah, you're right. Sasuke and all the other tryhards always grinded just as hard and Kishimoto just made a big fuzz about nothing. Whoopsie. Come on now, anon
>>289838641The requirement to do hand signs for jutsu was a cool concept at first, but even Kishi saw the folly in that and characters seldom use more than 1 or 2 at all in part 2. I think Itachi vs Sasuke is the last time Kishi actually wasted panels showing them using hand signs. Also, genjutsu was a mistake and Kishi had no idea how to implement it. It was too OP.
>>289842635>>289842692
>>289835262Actually, Sakura's arc about being useless and overcoming her insecurity happened in the Forest of Death and her fight against Ino, both happened before Hinata vs Neji, which is when her struggle is actually introduced.
>>289837726>>289842662You can tell there's a lot of samefagging because all it takes is 1 additional anon to engage with the thread and the post count jumps by at least 100. There's that, and all the shameless necro bumping as well.
>>289842969Lee is still considered a hard worker by the story regardless of what Kakashi's inner dialogue saysI swear every person who posts this page is a fucking moron.
>>289843569Yeah, except this gets validated later when guy says "you're a genius at hardwork" lol
>>289843569>>289843607the jig is up
>>289843607Being a genius at hardwork and being a genius prodigy from a clan with magical eyes are two different things.
>>289843463You can also tell it's OP since the comments always die completely when he goes to dump the next chapter, and then nobody is commenting much until he finishes dumping. It's amusing to watch.
>>289843849Your point?
>>289843902Why would people remain here instead of going to the next chapter?
>>289844100>he asks as he remains here
>>289844153I'm on the other thread as well.And i wasn't even part of the discussion above, so don't expect more replies from me here.
>>289842811I think the hand signs are fine even if you don't show them most of the time. It's something you highlight whenever you feel like it, once you've established them. It can only add to the story, unless you're really clumsy with it. Are there even people who have strong feelings about that? Agree fully about genjutsu. You need to think hard about how it affects all the other systems in place every time you want to introduce something related to it and Kishimoto just isn't that guy.
