Japan ranks Sakura and Sasuke as the worst pairing of all time.
>>289899245>worstMost hated*, which on this case is just Sakurafags and fujos seething at their ships sinking
>>289899353This, most of this list is canon endgames which is naturally hated by all of the countershippers, even if the ship is also the most popular.
>IchigoOrihime>KiritoAsuna>ErenMikasa>ToumaIndex>ToradoraHalf of this list is just angry shippers.
I thought Japs loved CP.
>>289899245Isnt this poll ran by a bunch of fujos
>>289899245>Kirito/Asuna in 4thNice
1. Sasuke Uchiha × Sakura Haruno (*Naruto*)2. Trunks × Mai (*Dragon Ball Super*)3. Ichigo Kurosaki × Orihime Inoue (*Bleach*)4. Kirito × Asuna (*Sword Art Online*)5. Yuki Amano × Yuno Gasai (*Future Diary / Mirai Nikki*)6. Hiro × Zero Two (*Darling in the Franxx*)7. Louise × Saito Hiraga (*The Familiar of Zero*)8. Taiga Aisaka × Ryuuji Takasu (*Toradora!*)9. Misa Amane × Light Yagami (*Death Note*)10. Nina Einstein × Euphemia li Britannia (*Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion*)11. Makoto Itou × Everyone (*School Days*)12. Rachel × Twenty-Fifth Bam (*Tower of God*)13. Kana Arima × Aqua (*Oshi no Ko*)14. Mikasa Ackerman × Eren Yeager (*Attack on Titan*)15. Touma Kamijou × Index (*A Certain Magical Index*)16. Kazuya Kinoshita × Chizuru Mizuhara (*Rent-A-Girlfriend*)17. Nina Tucker × Alexander (*Fullmetal Alchemist*)18. Sekai Saionji × Makoto Itou (*School Days*)19. Kotonoha Katsura × Makoto Itou (*School Days*)20. Nina Purpleton × Anavel Gato (*Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory*)
>Nina Einstein x EuphemiaYuribros we made it
>>289899725>All canon endgame couplesLoserfags are as pathetic as ever
>>289899353>>289899515Probably a bit of both, if it was just countershippers being mad, you'd have Naruto x Hinata near the top too.
>Makoto on the list 3 timesKek
>>289899625>>289899829All of them are trash.
>>289899725kek just a bunch of angry losers and fujos
>>289899245>>289899725
>>289899884You tell 'em, loserfag.
>>289899245don't know what's the point of doing these polls other than to show the world how much of an assblasted faggot you are
>>289899725>>289899245>Makoto Itou × Everyone (*School Days*)LMAO
>>289900065I assume your ship is on this list?
>>289899245The problem is the lack of chemistry between them. And the fact that Sakura is reduced to a “housewife” role, even though that’s totally unlike her character arc in Shippuden. Sasuke’s absence isn’t justified by the series’ “times of peace” statement. That just makes Sasuke a jerk and Sakura a dumbass.
>>289899725>Makoto Itou × Everyone (*School Days*)Fucking lel
289900103i'm not a woman or a troon no
>>289899245>>289899725>Makoto Itou × Everyone>Nina Tucker × Alexander
>>289899725Trunks x Mai legit may be the best gift Toriyama left us before his passing it filters so many faggots
>>289900250That's not a good pairing. Mai doesn't even care about present Trunks.
>>289899725>Nina Tucker × Alexander (*Fullmetal Alchemist*)Wtf are they doing here?
>>289899725>15. Touma Kamijou × Index (*A Certain Magical Index*)Asspained birikeks
>>289900281It's meant to be comedic and clearly going nowhere shippers can never get their heads out of their asses and have a simple laugh
>>289899725>Nina Purpleton × Anavel GatoClassic.
>>289899725You don't get to choose when you're a playa.
>>289899245>>289899353NaruHina won fair and square. Cry harder, SakuRats.
>>289899725Huh, all of these are correct except 7 and 15, what's the big fuss?
>>289899829>Kana-aqua canonLol, lmao
>>289901765Mikoto is still? the most popular and Index is fucking annoying. Like genuinely who is worse than Index among the Toumabowl participants?
>>289899245This list seemed based, good to know that just because they're the author doesn't mean they know what the best ship is.
>>289901783>t. loserfag being as pathetic as ever
>>289899725I agree with all of this, number 11 is fucking hilarious tho
I love how everyone seething at this truth can't even defend their shitty ships with bonafied arguments and factual evidence they are good ships and deserve to exist.
>>289902290>He doesn't know
I never disliked NaruHina but SasuSaku indeed blows.
>>289901691You don't have to be a NaruHina fan to hate SasuSaku
>>289899725>10. Nina Einstein × Euphemia li Britannia (*Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion*)A lot of rabid Table-kun supporters out there I guess.
>>289899245>Makoto x Everyone>(School Days)Hearty kek.
You might as well just rename it 'unsatisfying' because that's what most of these pairings are. There's no actual chemistry between any of these characters that doesn't feel forced.>Three different NinaWhat an odd coincidence.
>>289899245>>289899725The interesting thing is that it's almost all boomer (millenial) anime.
>>289899725Hinata won as she's not in that list
>>289904551dragon ball supersword art onlinedarling in the franxxTower of Godoshi no koattack on titanrent a girlfriendall of those are zoomer anime
>>289899245https://imgur.com/a/hall-of-devastation-now-reverse-chronological-order-because-imgur-sorting-is-fucked-XKwJ4#0
>>289899725>13. Kana Arima × Aqua (*Oshi no Ko*)subhuman incestfags still seething. cope and seethe. you lost and got raped
>>289904731Dragon ball is a boomer franchise although super is zoomer.Sword art online, Darling in the franxx, and attack on titan are sort of straddling the threshold.
>>289904848all of those are on netflix therefore they are zoomercore
>>289899245Solid list
>>289899245When did they have a mass outbreak of sense? The rest of the list is making me question the survey demographic though.>>289899353Oh, that makes more sense.>>289899725>4. Kirito × Asuna (*Sword Art Online*)Sidegirlfag seethe>5. Yuki Amano × Yuno Gasai (*Future Diary / Mirai Nikki*)I'm surprised Future Diary's still this memorable for them.>6. Hiro × Zero Two (*Darling in the Franxx*)Ichigofags forever mad>10. Nina Einstein × Euphemia li Britannia (*Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion*)The first unfulfilled pairing in the list, give or take Trunks x Mai which I know nothing about>11. Makoto Itou × Everyone (*School Days*)Kek>17. Nina Tucker × Alexander (*Fullmetal Alchemist*)OVER THE LINE>18. Sekai Saionji × Makoto Itou (*School Days*)>19. Kotonoha Katsura × Makoto Itou (*School Days*)Damn, they really hate the guy.>20. Nina Purpleton × Anavel Gato (*Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory*)Nina x anyone, really.>>289900065THE WORLD MUST KNOW
>>289899922Nobody seems to hate NaruHina, tho.
>>289905107>he doesn't know about the HOAD
>>289905107I don't like how they completely retconned Naruto's personality and his and Hinata's backstories to make it work
>>289899675All these kinds of polls are just autism. The sample sizes are too small to be a judge of anything other than who's autistic enough to actually vote.
>>289905098>give or take Trunks x Mai which I know nothing aboutIt's 60 year old loli x 7 year old shota, so it's just anti-/ss/ shitters seething
>>289899625Good
>>289899725Should add Utena x Kiwi to that list, Kiwi is the worst main love interest in any manga in a long time
>>289905107You weren't there, were you? How old are you?
>>289900452They hate it for being real
>>289905967That's almost every pairing on this list. Fags are mad because these ships won and their ships lost.
>>289906100Canon doesn't mean good or well-written
Crack ships are better than these
Naruto should have gotten both like asta did , noelle the tsundere and mimmosa the yandere Sasuke should have either stayed single to preserve his character or found some random girl in his journey.
>>289899245The Japanese are right for once
>>289906197a sakura fag drew this since she has a flatchest
>>289906169If the story was better written then the ship would remain canon, just better written.
>>289906607>drewPrompted.
>>289899245Post the source i dont believe this since japan was Sasusaku #1
>>289899725Fujoshi smell is strong here
>>289899245Both Ichigo and Orihime (Kubo robbed us Ichigo andRukia) + Eren and Mikasa on the list, >Japanese are becoming based again.
>>289899725I have strong feelings only about toradora here, because it failed the mission to show them as soulmates and as manzai duo
>>289907098"Most popular" and "Most hated" are not mutually exclusive.
>>289899245>Fair.Literally the only reason they're together is because Sakura thinks he's hot. He never, EVER did anything for her and as far as canon material is involved, he banged her once, got her pregnant, fucking disappeared for 10 years and left hear to take care of the children almost by herself to the point where he didn't even recognized his own daughter, and only after all that, he gave her a ring.
>>289906197>>289901691
>>289907098Sakura and by extension anything that related to her has always been the most hated anything for the last 20 years, I doubt anyone ever surpass her.
>>289907165Japanese Bleach fans have been turning on Bleach lately again. The viewership has been atrocious there, it’s dropping much lower than the fullbring arc in terms of relevance and their final cour got cut short with several budget cuts.
>>289907701Whyyy
>>289907369This. She was doomed from the start.
>>289899725>20. Nina Purpleton × Anavel Gato (*Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory*)nina was just so fucking dogshitI hated her even before she was revealed to be not only a whore, but a snake tookou sucked dick toodogshit anime, just like 90% of all gundam series
>>289899725People are genuinely just jealous kek
>>289909413How would you fix her character after a plap like that.
>>289899725wait im so confused about the one on tower of god, because unlike the other parings, rachel and bam are opposed to each other and are antagonists to each other and barely interact, and also the series hasn't even finished, so they aren't even a real couple in the first place, so unlike SIU shits the bed and pulls some eren mikasa level bullshit its not gonna happen.
>>289900360WAIT did touma actually end up with INDEX in canon? I thought rail dex hasn't ended yet?are they gonna pull the multiple continuity bullshit?
>>289910201>>289910237These don't have to be canon pairings, just ones people hate.
>>289910201To be fair, Baam wasn't wise to Rachel's true nature at first unlike the audience. The anime hasn't reached his "Fuck Rachel" arc yet.
>>289910790in that case why are 99% just canon ending couples and not actual outlandish ones like goku x jiren , kakashi x obito aizen x rukia or some retarded shit.
>>289899725>11. Makoto Itou × Everyone (*School Days*)>17. Nina Tucker × Alexander (*Fullmetal Alchemist*)Holy KEK
>>289901691this is an even more delusional ship than Naruto x Sasuke
>>289911034Crack ships with less canon backup are easier to ignore, I guess.
>>289900105>sasuke is a jerk>sakura is a dumbassPretty true to their characters imo
289907701even in other threads you can't stop spreading your shit Kubo really owns your ass
>>289899725EreMika should have been number one, shit was atrocious.
>>289904731Aside from DITF, OnK and RAG, all of those are 10+ years old.
>>289899725>Makoto Itou × Everyone (*School Days*)>Nina Tucker × Alexander (*Fullmetal Alchemist*)fucking LOL
>>289901691Mashima should’ve at least ship tease these two
>>289899725>>289900250>Mai's straight bangs to Trunks' curtains>Blue hair/blue eyes + black hair/black eyes, just like Bulma and Vegeta >one is a sword autist the other is a /k/ autist >dress similarly with military-wear and even wearing emblems on similar spots of their clothing >both had their lives drastically changed by going back in time (Trunks through time travel and Mai through a wish) >both tied to Goku>Mai is motherly, compassionate, caring, and sweet, but is actually badass. Perfect match for Trunks who has to be a serious ruthless badass all the time, but deep down is a shy and polite good boy>They also both have a dorky/goofball side and are very sexually chaste and reserved (Despite being so attractive)>Saiyans love strong women; Mai fits the bill because she's an agent gun-for-hire who's attempted to kill Bulma before, as well as threatening to shoot Trunks in the head in their first meeting. In the future, she's a female combatant and leader of the resistance >She was one of the few people who managed to survive along with him and fought alongside him to the very end even when nothing remained. Truly a woman who never gives up HOPE Trunks and Mai are pretty cute together desu and both have great chemistry in design, story, and character. Toriyama nailed it, I'm glad it's canon.
>>289899245>Sakura and Sasukethey're STILL mad? KEK
>>289899245Are they actually saying they hate the pairing or do they hate that it wasn't Naruto and Sakura or Naruto and sasuke
>>289899725>Trunks × Mai (*Dragon Ball Super*)Wow, I wasn't aware anybody had a problem with this at all (outside hardcore leftists with the age gap)
>>289914262Nah, itnis forcedLike or hate the pairing, I don't care, but it's forced. Dragon Ball was never good at romance or pretended it was, and none of the ships are good. But they exist as plot conveniences. Goku got with Chichi to make Gohan so Toriyama can tell a father-son story, Bulma got with Vegeta so Toriyama could have a time traveling Saiyan and Krillin got with Eighteen so he could have an excuse not to shut her down and Cell go perfectTrunks and Mai have none of that because there's no story purpose to them. It's actually amazing how Toriyama could outdo himself in shitships. Mai came back but her entire character was rewritten so that she can exist solely to be paired with Trunks, of which just makes me wonder why not just make an entirely new character anywayBut I also think creating a character just to pair them with another character is not a good idea either
>>289915500Exactly none of this shit matters, shipping in shonen doesn't matter in the slightest so I never understood why people were always so fucking annoying about this topic, it's like getting mad at a wall.
>>289905107The west certainly doeshttps://imgur.com/a/hall-of-devastation-now-reverse-chronological-order-because-imgur-sorting-is-fucked-XKwJ4/#0
>>289915500if your definition of "forced" is that the author 'made it happen', then all relationships in fiction are forced. fact of the matter is, that's just how they happen in fiction and in manga, the author writes them to happen. Shippers are never happy because shippers are ultimately just a different type of self inserter and they're mad their self-centered fantasy is broken. It's not about these relationships being bad, it's >>289909588 or >>289899891. And for all the criticism shippers will throw at canon relationships that trigger them, they never once will give an example of what they consider to be a good relationship instead.>they exist as plot conveniences. Goku got with Chichi to make Gohan so Toriyama can tell a father-son story, Bulma got with Vegeta so Toriyama could have a time traveling Saiyan and Krillin got with Eighteen so he could have an excuse not to shut her down and Cell go perfectGross oversimplifications, but Mai gave Future Trunks something to live for so he wouldn't kill himself in a desolate lonely future, that seems like a good reason. You want him to have no friends or family after everything he's been through, nothing to fight for? Can he not have a single girlfriend? And they'll definitely have kids in a matter of time, so there's your reproduction argument gone. >her entire character was rewrittenShe was a gag character minion in the first arc of Dragon Ball, she barely had a character. but even then, decades of living + surviving apocalyptical threats will change someone. Future Mai even retains some of her traits despite all that, as seen when she meets Pilaf again in the present.
>>289915752Future Trunks was already defined by his profound empathy, his burden of loss, and his relentless drive to protect humanity, though. His heroism was fully forged by Gohan's death and the tragedy of his world in Z.Placing Mai beside him doesn't spark any new character growth or challenge his worldview; she simply functions as a emotional reward, a narrative trophy to ensure Trunks isn't "too lonely." When a character's presence doesn't meaningfully transform or challenge the protagonist, then they're just an accessory rather than a partner.When Toriyama paired characters together, he used romance as a plot driver. >Toriyama put Goku with Chi-Chi both because he wanted to spite Torishima who pushed for Goku x Bulma, but also he wanted to tell a father-son story>Even if it started as a utilitarian way to spawn a Saiyan time traveler, the fallout mattered. It directly forced Vegeta to confront domesticity, human vulnerability, and pride, giving birth to one of the most celebrated redemption arcs in shounen history>Krillin and Eighteen created immediate, high-stakes moral conflict (destroying the remote) that fundamentally altered the trajectory of the Cell SagaMai's inclusion doesn't alter the trajectory of the Goku Black Saga in a way a generic resistance fighter couldn't have done. Taking a 1980s gag villain, de-aging her through off-screen dragon wishes, and converting her into a stoic freedom fighter requires the audience to swallow immense narrative gymnastics for very little story payoff
>>289915285If they gonna do age gap, I'd rather see Trunks with Pan
>>289899245Hahahahahahahahahaaa
>>289911912Kubo has been living rent free in shipper heads for a decade, at this point he's basically their landlord.
>>289899725>11. Makoto Itou × Everyone (*School Days*)hefty kek
>>289900360Headcrab a shit, biribiri carries the franchise on her tender young back. Know your place.
>>289899245>016 X 002Why the fuck are japs still seething about this one, lmao. Strawberry was never realistically on the cards
>>289909413>Says this to her crush who she doesn't know is also an orphan, proving she's also vapidIt was over before it began
>>289899353>>289899515>the seething immediatelybros i am not a sakura hater but your fucking galaxy tier coping if you think sasuke and sakura are a good ship kek they barely ever talked and sasuke never even kissed her and he left her alone with sarada, like for years kekkkk
>/a/ seething blaming fujos or the Japanese for not liking canon shietlmao japanese people btfo /a/ faggots yet again
>>289917913>not liking means automically seethingi don't understand why in zoomeroids brains not liking something can't coexist with being normal about it, like you have to like everything ever created ever or else you're seething. I guess that makes sense since they ingest so much slop they don't understand the difference between genuinely liking something or being sponfed into liking it.
>>289918100To be fair, fujos are such atrociously horrible people and have ruined so much that it's difficult not to blame them.The japanese hate them too, so the feeling seems to be pretty universal.
>>289899725>sasuke x sakurathey are correct >trunks x maithey are correct and it ruined trunks character even thou mai is a good character>kirito x asunacorrect since kirito is stuck with her even thou he had an harem full of girls even in games that he had far better chemistry with>yuki x yunomirai nikki as an anime is complete slop and yuki is one of the worst main characters ever so its not far off to think the ship is bad>hiro x zero twolool lool lool >louise x saitosame as kirito and asuna but asuna its a loli tsundere>yurishit lol schizo shit >makoto from schools days??? what? he fucked everybody in that vn?>kana x aquaaqua and ruby was the only good ship so correct >mikasa x erencorrectt it literally ruined shingeki no kyojin and made the ending one of the worst endings in shounen>rent a girlfriendloooooooooooooooooooooolcuckshippingfags are real????anyway the rest i don't know but most of the list is correct
>>289918147>atrociously horrible peopleyou sound butthurt, every single fanbase has worse fans than fujos unless by fujos you just mean female fans.Japanese don't hate either
>>289918136>"I-I'm not seething!" seethed the strawberryfagGenuinely, tho, why are you still so mad about it? For all its popularity at its height Franxx has had zero staying power. This is the first time I've seen it mentioned outside of seeing zero-two in outdated FOTM waifu compilations. It's bizarre that you're still here nursing your seethe long after even the most ardent fans have moved on.
>>289905098Asuna is so forgettable kek look at re:zero's Emilia, still popular no matter the cast
We strongly support and agree with japanese people's opinion itt
>>289918333you confirmed my point, you think refusing to eat shit is seething
>>289899725A lot of these feel like sour grapes or meme picks (fucking Nina x Alexander) The only reasonable hated ones are Kana x Aqua, Kazuya x Chizuru and Nina x Gato, fuck Nina
i want people to explain the good writing behind the ships if they think it's just "sour grapes"
>>289912445The fact this wasn't on the list shows how legit it is. It's not fujoshi seethe.
>>289918525>crickets
>>289918527they blame fujos for wetting their bed at night some people
>>289899725How tf trunks and mai that high? I thought japan don't give a fuck about anything after Z?
>>289918527there is also no one piece, jujutsu,demon slayer, or frieren ship, and these fandoms are huge, almost as if the ships in those fandoms are considered good?
>>289918637These have no ships
>>289918422I guess asking for introspection from a random salty anon was too high a task. It's comforting to know you and the butthurt brigade will still be there to gnash your teeth over it long after it's completely left the public consciousness tho.
>>289918698demon slayer has canonical ships and frieren too?
>>289918710interesting you keep thinking i am the one that is seething when you wrote a spergy reply like that.bit projection perhaps?
>>289918729Who cares about them?
>>289918407based Japanese for once>>289918710>public consciousnesstourist hypefag detected, do you also make decisions based on whether the public consciousness agrees or not?
>>289918746Buddy, you picked my post out of all the hundred-odd before it, including the very first post itt, to launch your diatribe about seething. You're not nearly subtle enough to get away with your "I'm totally unaffected" play
>>289917092trunks had chemistry with pan, and if they got together it would get goku and vegeta's family lines together
>>289916890I feel like you're arguing for a couple things. On one end you want to say that a good partner should be plot relevant plot initiators ("plot conveniences"), and on the other, now, you say that they should be character developers ("spark new character growth or challenge his worldview"). >plot relevant Mai is relevant to Trunks' plot, Toriyama established that well after her re-inclusion to the series in BoG onward, especially starting from his Super arc. This wasn't a hard feat since any female could have been created to do this, but she reaches it nonetheless. >plot initiation Your examples are mostly based around children (be it the effects of them now or later). Trunks and Mai can have children and that will initiate plot, but they're simply not at that point yet so it's unfair to judge her for that now. Mai does initiate plot though in Super regardless of children, you've waived that fact. She nearly dies and its traumatic to Trunks, since at this point, she is basically all he has left. Losing your only reason to keep fighting after everything he's done is pretty bleak and he almost gives up and has character struggle with it. Mai is also a combatant and unlike the other DB girls, she actually fights the main villain along with her partner (Chi-Chi does nothing, Bulma offers tech support, 18 only fights if absolutely necessary, and Videl does nothing). Mai and Trunks work together to enact the mafuba and the earing destruction plans, both of which were major plotpoints in the arc for how they could defeat Zamasu. Lastly, Mai (along with the other survivors) is the emotional reason Trunks is able to push his power so much higher in that arc. Without her, Trunks would have remained weak and unable to defeat Zamasu.
>>289899245All i can do is kek https://youtu.be/NrLESymbupY?is=cKWScyv4gctIlb4e
>>289919069(cont.)>character developmentA lot of the plot Mai was a part of begat growth for Trunks and I've already touched upon some. I think the biggest though was his love of humanity and reasons for fighting. We see it in his DBZ time, but only in snippets. Though Trunks is a good young man, you feel his mindset is still an immature one. We hardly see Trunks interact with the rest of his world nor truly grasp the ramifications of what he's done, with his reasons for helping the past being righteous obligation, grievance, and naivety. In Super, Trunks grows a lot. We see the connections he actually has to all the survivors and how he cares for them and them for him. His actions have immediate impact about something he values, and we're shown all of it. Trunks also has to pay for his naivety and must face the result of his past actions. He now has responsibility, consequences, and of course, people he loves (Mai). It's huge character growth from DBZ where he's just a kid who shows up to give Goku the magic medicine and then hovers around Vegeta the whole arc while he realizes he's an asshole. Sure, he shows drive to protect humanity and loss, but besides making you feel bad for him, it really doesn't mean much because he's mostly just a plot device and we're never shown anything more for him besides just his trauma. Super develops beyond that, and Mai is the direct connection to that whole character growth. Trunks goes from being just a heroic naïve kid in DBZ to actually becoming a fully examined hero for humanity and defeating Zamasu himself (... and then they all get erased).I think a lot of your waiving is just due to Super's writing/pacing issues and that's understandable, but it's not actual criticism against Mai as a character and her being paired with Trunks. Super is Super and has tons of writing and pacing and quality issues, so it's not as good as Dragon Ball was, but the underlying plot is still there regardless of the execution of its elements.
>>289905098Mirai Nikki is still quite culturally relevant for having THE yandere and being THE god game manga even if it didn't technically invent either of those things.Particularly despite the proliferation of the yandere trope, Yuno is still unsurpassed as a symbol due to the newer contenders usually just being a cliche.
>>289919333You can count the notable yandere on one hand desu
>>289919410It's still rare for the story to center on them, yes. There's stuff like Toga from MHA but she isn't allowed to win.
Sauce ?
>>289919069>Mai (along with the other survivors) is the emotional reason Trunks is able to push his power so much higher in that arc. Without her, Trunks would have remained weak and unable to defeat Zamasu.Mai almost dying and giving Trunks some power-up isn't character development, though. That's "fridging" (a trope where a female character exists primarily to be harmed or threatened to give the male lead an emotional boost). Trunks' core motivation in Z was the loss of his entire world and father figure. Giving him a girlfriend just so she can almost die to give him a new Super Saiyan transformation doesn't make Trunks a "fully examined hero", it just repeats a tired shounen trope. It didn't change who Trunks was at his core; it just turned up his anger volume>Mai is also a combatant and unlike the other DB girls, she actually fights the main villain along with her partnerBeing active in action scenes doesn't equal romantic chemistry or meaningful character depth. Bulma and Vegeta don't need to fight side by side against Cell to have a compelling dynamic, their dynamic comes from two massive, contrasting personalities clashing and eventually softening each other. Mai and Trunks have almost no dynamic outside of "staring at each other solemnly while the world ends" and blushing. Firing a sniper rifle at Black Goku is a cool action beat, but it doesn't give Mai an actual personality or make her relationship with Trunks feel organically earned.
>>289919181>I think a lot of your waiving is just due to Super's writing/pacing issues and that's understandable, but it's not actual criticism against Mai as a character and her being paired with Trunks. Super is Super and has tons of writing and pacing and quality issues, so it's not as good as Dragon Ball was, but the underlying plot is still there regardless of the execution of its elements.You cannot separate character romance from the execution of the writing. A pairing exists only through its execution. If a writer takes a massive, ridiculous leap like turning a 1980s comedic villain into a stoic, romantic resistance leader via off-screen dragon wishes then the execution has to be masterclass to make the audience care. Saying "ignore the bad writing and pacing of Super, the concept is good" is admitting the execution failed.
>>289915285Mai in DBS isn't the same Mai as OG DB at all, the ship doesn't work and that's coming from someone who likes taboo relationships and DBS.
>>289899725Someone explain the School Day joke please.
>>289920037People just hate Mankoto.
>>289899245Source ??
>>289899725>9. Misa Amane × Light Yagami (*Death Note*)This one shouldn’t even count as a pairing. Light hated her and she openly coerced him into dating her. The manga never pretended there was any love there.
all the retards asking sauce either learn to reverse image search or go to xitter
>>289920286Do you not see the bottom right?
>>289920578Can't find this poll neither on SpaComic website nor on their votes twitter.Reverse search returns this thread.
>>289899725I'm surprised Future Diary is relevant enough to get so high.
>>289920815it was where the yandere trope peaked
>>289914262They are both so lucky..
>>289920855Ahh the peak of true love. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO-G5DVNlw4
>>289899725there is not a single couple in that list that is good, the best is neutral.
>>289899625>ToumaIndexIs this one real? Whenever I see people talk about the series, they say she's been almost irrelevant for most of the series
>>289899725>4. Kirito × Asuna (*Sword Art Online*)I don't think Asuna's bad but it makes sense. A harem series where every girl is still slobbering over the MC's dick despite him being in an established relationship from the start is annoying and that's probably projected on Asuna>11. Makoto Itou × Everyone (*School Days*)kek that's a good one
>>289905107You were definitely not on the internet when Hinata won. NaruSakufags were having an internet wide meltdown. I'd say it was a once in a lifetime event.
>>289920617Yes but were is the link to the article in spa comics retard
>>289899245This is considered bad why ?? I understand ichirukia had more potential but fuck thats a little bit irrational
>>289921458>NaruSaku.Its insane how this is still alive in fan fiction to the point were they have created a spin off series of their kid.That shit must have been really intense
>>289899725>Makoto Itou × Everyone>Nina Tucker × AlexanderNice list, lmfao.
>>289919069Super is dumb because Future Trunks shows romance to a literal who despite Zangya, Marron and Android 18 being more connected to him.
>>289918978also it thematically fits with gohan being future trunks teacher
>>289921458It then got immediately followed by Rukiacucks having a meltdown over Orihime winning and Mistyshitters having a meltdown over Serena winning.That sure was a year.
>>289899245fujoseethe
>>289921458I still remember how a popular artist posted art of Naruto kissing Sakura while adamantly denying Kishimoto’s end. It was spectacularly funny to see the meltdown live.>>289921640I can understand why, it’s in part fags who hate Sakura but still wanted to fuck her (self insert)+Sakura fans who recognize her ending with Sasuke as bad for her (they like their fanfic version of Sakura only)
>>289923148>Mistyshitters having a meltdown over Serena winning.I've never heard anyone outside the Pokémon fandom talk about Pokémon shipping like I did with Naruto and Bleach. The only thing I did hear from Pokémon was Ash losing the finals or something
>>289918305Jap fans do hate obnoxious fujos, I’ve seen them complain about how annoying they are every once and while.>>289918527I think it’s because this is an old poll or something, I can’t seem to find it anywhere.
>>289899725>Ichigo x Orihime is there>but not Naruto x HinataWhy? They're the same.
Explain the Mai x Trunks hate from Japan's POV. Is it muh age gap or anger over killing Trunks x Goten? I can't think of another reason why it would rank so high.
>>289923401Yume seethe they wanted Trunks for themselves
>>289899245filtered, they are great together
>>289923341Hinata would likely be more hated had she been a main character and had more screen time imo. Plus, Sakura isn’t as beloved as Rukia.
>>289899245Fake poll, bait thread.Even if I'm bad at internet search and it's real, SPACOMIc polls are not representative because the number of respondents is usually around 600-700 people.
>>289923401I don’t think Japan really cares about the age gap, it’s likely from salty yumes and fujos.
>>289923540They're also all pushing 40.
>>289923254It was massive at the time, you underestimate the amount of especially western Mistyfags taking rewritten dub lines as evidence she was ever intended as a serious romantic interest.
>>289923468You don't have to be a yume to look at a ship, recognize that it required massive mental gymnastics and character retcons to exist, and say, it's forced. Personally, I think it's a shitship because we learn in Super that the Pilaf Gang used the Dragon Balls right before Piccolo died to wish themselves back to being babies and because they used the wish on themselves for a stupid reason, the Dragon Balls were rendered useless right when the Z-Fighters desperately needed them to bring back Goku. The Pilaf Gang's self-serving wish is retroactively the reason the future timeline fell into absolute ruin.Having Trunks fall in love with the exact person whose selfish action directly led to the death of his father, his mentor, and the destruction of Earth without Trunks ever even knowing it is the ultimate narrative disaster. You cannot ask the audience to ignore bad writing, bizarre age-gaps, and off-screen retcons to appreciate a "theoretical" relationship. If the writing fails to make the romance feel earned, natural, or believable, then the relationship fails. Period.
>>289924360This is fucking hilarious and 100% in line with Toriyama's sense of humor though.
>>289924360I still think its pretty cute and Trunks deserves a gf even with it being a very unlikely one.Also it was nice for Mai come to back. And her being different after having to grow up again in the hellscape that is Future isn't that strange.I really like her early dragon ball design.
>>289899245>Nina x Anavel slipped in at the endlmao
>>289924500That's not how Toriyama's humor was, and this is coming from someone who prefers Dr. Slump over Dragon Ball. When Toriyama was at his comedic best in OG DB or Dr. Slump, his gag writing worked because the stakes matched the tone. A villain failing to conquer the world because someone wished for a pair of panties is funny because the story isn't asking you to take the world seriously yet.The Future Trunks timeline was explicitly designed with heavy, tragic drama; genocide, orphanhood, lost mentors, and apocalyptic despair. Dropping a low-effort gag into the *exact* moment humanity's final hope dies doesn't read as hilarious. It just reads as a tone-deaf shortcut to patch a plot hole.Good dark humor usually has a punchline. What's the punchline here? That an entire timeline of billions of people suffered and died in a hellscape because three gag characters didn't want to be old? That Trunks is holding hands with the woman who accidentally sealed his father and mentor's death sentences? That's not a joke, it's just reckless retconning that retroactively undermines the tragic weight of the original Android Saga.
>Trunks is holding hands with the woman who accidentally sealed his father and mentor's death sentencesBut that's actually kino
>>289925147i noticed especially with dbfags that they love to invoke toriyama's name as an impenetrable shield. if something makes no sense they claim "oh that's just toriyama being wacky and forgetful" but forgetting your own canon or writing a sloppy extra chapter to handwave a shipping plot hole isn't a brilliant artistic choice. is just bad writing
>>289899725>17. Nina Tucker × Alexander (*Fullmetal Alchemist*)Only good for doujins.
>>289921640The authors wife got mad at him for not making it cannon thats how big NS is and rumor has it she made some b5 doujins.
>>289899245Is this even real
>>289923540Damn, that's more than /a/ polls...
>>289926381She got mad at him because he had said he based Sakura on her. He tried to recover by lying about how Hinata was based on her too.
>>289918305I've yet to see a single fanbase in which the fujos aren't the absolute worse "fans", if you can even call them that, and they are absolutely hated by the japanese, to the point that they aren't even allowed in the normal communities, they have to make their own.
>>289927959Wait hold on a second he based sakura on his wife, and sasuke is based on his brother…. Well i guess kishimoto is a case study that needs to be investigated.
>>289928817Lol oda won
>>289924360>Having Trunks fall in love with the exact person whose selfish action directly led to the death of his father, his mentor, and the destruction of Earth without Trunks ever even knowing it is the ultimate narrative disasterIf you read it, Mai and Shu look at Pilaf with disbelief at his wish with the latter outright questioning him. She’s not responsible for that.
>>289928964She is only with him because of the fame and money take those away and see how she divorces him.
>>289929960Nah, she was a massive One Piece nerd and married him because of that.
>>289923582Just like us...
>>289928817Minato is his ideal self and Kushina is the ideal form of his wife. Also Kishimoto's Wife did knit a scarf for him.
>>289918527They're very well liked despite MHA having an utterly insane fujo fandom. There was another poll by the same author about straight ships that had Izuocha ranked alongside Kamijirou
>>289928964>>289929960Shes literally nami , i think nami is going to win against boa
>>289930556She's a Nami cosplayer, Oda first met her at a One Piece fan event.
>>289899725>Kana Arima × Aqua (*Oshi no Ko*)Akane chads... in the end we won
>>289931215>in the end we wonThe seething losers award
>>289931325you lost and got raped
>>289906197Naruto is genuinely unlikeable as a person until right near the end, ending up with a chick who was already crazily obsessed with him was the best he could feasibly do
>>289931393>Still seething Pathetic
>>289928817The women are largely an afterthought in general to be fair
>>289931455>Near the end.Naruto had 1000’s of women in cannon begging to be impregnated by him since he was the savior of the world
>>289899725>>289899245
>>289920014It could work, but it doesn't work. The execution just isn't there. Toriyama could have pulled it off, as he has numerous times in the past with unlikely oddball couples, if it were left entirely in his hands. But Toyo can't do it. I'm not even hating on Toyo; it's just blatant fact. He can't and couldn't make that relationship be believable or charming.
>>289918147Fujoshi have their own ship wars. If they were voting on this poll there would have been gay ships in the list like One Piece guys or something.
>>289915650>Content not available in your regionI fucking hate the UK
>>289923401Trunks is WORSHIPPED by women (literally, websites and shrines devoted to worshipping him from women). There was no reality where he gets a wife and there isn't vitriol from them. Mai is just an easy punching bag because she's a baba, a gag character, and Super had bad writing.
>>289899245Asuna is Agil's BBC property
>>289899725>but no Sesshōmaru and Rinof course not
>>289932661Agil is happy married to his wife who stayed with him and kept his cafe running whilst he was trapped in the game.
>>289916890High IQ post, wish I saw more of these.
>>289923401>anger over killing Trunks x GotenMore like Trunks x Pan, excuse my oldfaggotry but I remember it was one of the biggest DB ship back in the days
>>289924360>Mai indirectly killed everyone Trunks lovesstop being dumb. Pilaf made a stupid selfish wish like an ignoramus, it's not Mai and Shu's fault. You can even see Shu remarking in your image how it might be a bad idea, thinking about how they could maybe use the wish for good if it was needed. Ultimately they're not evil, they're gag villains; they're silly and short-sighted and not intellectually or morally deep. And Pilaf really can't be blamed either, they had no idea what was truly going on. While they know kid Goku exists, they're under the assumption that's the scariest thing that's out there (they even know he defeated King Piccolo), not the demigod androids that are stronger than a million kid Goku's and could wipe out everyone. Also, the Dragon Balls are free to use for everyone. It's not an exclusive right to just the Z fighters. Yes, you'd have to be a retard to not use them against the world ending threat if you could, but a big downside to the Dragon Balls is the fact that anyone can use them, even random humans and looming gag villains. Constantly banking on the dragon ball's existence and that they'll always be available to fix whatever is a weakness, and here, it finally bit them in the ass. >The Pilaf Gang's is the reason the future timeline fell into absolute ruinThey were wiped out because they relied on a single random monkey boy to defend them endlessly, in addition to their magical balls which fix any problem they have. That monkey boy greatly pissed off an evil genius who wanted to destroy humanity, who also just so happened to be able to create machines stronger than the emperor of the universe. This is hammered home in the Cell arc with Goku not even being the one able to defeat Cell. Banking on Goku forever was just not sustainable.
>>289919954but Mai doesn't exist 'just' to die and give Trunks a powerup, she is a character in her own right that just so happened to nearly die. You might as well criticize Krillin dying on Namek for the same reason. >Giving him a girlfriend just so she can almost die to give him a new Super Saiyan transformation doesn't make Trunks a "fully examined hero"I didn't say that single act was what made him a fully examined hero, I said that his connections to the survivors and his world and his evolution of his own morality and motivations as a result of them and consequence of his actions that he faces do. >Being active in action scenes doesn't equal romantic chemistry I said it and the actions she performed in combat were an instance of initiating plot, which is one of the arguments you stated was necessary for a romantic partner to be good. There was nothing said about chemistry there. >Bulma and Vegeta don't need to fight side by side against Cell to have a compelling dynamic, their dynamic comes from two massive, contrasting personalities clashing and eventually softening each otherDefine "dynamic", because now you're arguing this is what makes a pairing good whereas earlier you had different arguments. But on that matter, Bulma and Vegeta. You bring up the evolution of Vegeta and make the presumption that Bulma is the cause (thus being a good "dynamic"). However, is this the result of Bulma specifically or would have any woman had done? What specifically about Bulma was necessary for this to occur with Vegeta? Her connection to Goku was only utilized for plot. She was rich and that allowed her to supply him with training supplies. Anything regarding their personalities? No, Vegeta and Bulma were just thrown together and Vegeta's development as a character was due to becoming an earthling in general, and not necessarily his "dynamic" with Bulma.
>>289933266This reminded me of the one lady who had a shrine for Trunks x (future) Android 18 but it was an AU where she was made good or something. I do miss the overall "purity" of fandom back then--if you were talking to another anime fan online you were probably both some flavor of freak about it.
>>289920037You can fuck multiple characters at once in the School Days VN and the anime depicted that.
People are shocked that Sasusaku are on the list but not NaruHina need to remember that they had a canon movie showing them getting together meanwhile, Sasusaku meanwhile got that whose the baby mama drama with the idea of Karin being Sarada's mother unironically making more sense than Sakura.
>>289899245>doesn't show number of votes
>>289929172What complete nonsense. Mai is a founding, fully willing member of a criminal gang whose entire life's mission in Dragon Ball was to steal the Dragon Balls for selfish gain. Standing there while your boss uses the stolen magical artifacts you helped track down and gather doesn't make you an innocent bystander, it makes you an active participant. If you go on a heist to steal money, and your boss spends it on something stupid right before the bank burns down, you don't get to claim zero involvement. Mai helped gather those balls. Her actions directly enabled the wish>>289933335"This was a thematic lesson about how the Z-Fighters shouldn't rely on Goku or magical balls" is an absurd level of over analysis for a 2 page special promo written decades after the original manga. Toriyama didn't write the Android Saga thinking, "ah, yes, I am going to teach the audience a lesson about relying on Dragon Balls via Pilaf, I'm so smart! (Laughs)" The future timeline was created in part because Toriyama was a fan of Terminator and to be a desperate, hopeless scenario to establish Trunks as a tragic hero. He slapped together this bonus chapter specifically to handwave a continuity question fans had been asking for years ("why didn't Bulma just gather the Dragon Balls in the future?"). Trying to reframe a clunky plot patch as a profound moral critique of the Z-Fighters' overreliance on Goku is headcanonEven if I accept the excuse that they had no idea what went down, it doesn't fix the problem>Trunks is in love with a woman who was part of the gang that accidentally doomed his entire existence>Whether Pilaf was "ignorant" or "evil" doesn't change that Mai's group robbed Gohan, Bulma, and Earth of their only hopeThe excuse that anyone can use the Dragon Balls ignores how people digest dramatic narrative; watching a hero romance someone linked to the literal cause of his lifetime of suffering without either character ever acknowledging it is fundamentally broken
>>289899245>no link> no numbers > Ai
>>289899725>17. Nina Tucker × Alexander (*Fullmetal Alchemist*)Yeah that is a pretty bad pairing, huh
I will never understand why people want the girls to get together with the guys in the work, don't you want to fuck the girls yourself? Why be a cuck?
>>289933916>You might as well criticize Krillin dying on Namek for the same reason.No and this is a false equivalence. Krillin was Goku's best friend of their entire lives, a cornerstone character of the franchise, and his death works because it was the culmination of a massive spanning arc in Frieza Saga. Mai is a shoehorned romantic lead who has known Trunks off-screen for a fraction of that time. Treating her like she carries the dramatic weight of Krillin is a *massive* reach>I said it and the actions she performed in combat were an instance of initiating plotBut that *completely* undermines your own ship. If a pairing doesn't require chemistry and the partner is just an active body in a fight, then literally any generic resistance soldier could have filled Mai's role. If the character doesn't need unique romantic chemistry, why even bother de-aging an 80s gag villain into a love interest?>Vegeta and Bulma were just thrown together and Vegeta's development as a character was due to becoming an earthling in general, and not necessarily his "dynamic" with Bulma.That's not true. Bulma is loud, arrogant, wealthy, fiercely independent, and completely unafraid of a psychotic space prince who can blow up planets. A generic woman or a submissive partner would have been vaporized or ignored by Vegeta immediately. It required someone as equally stubborn and ego-driven as Bulma to stand up to him, refuse to be intimidated, and humanize him from inside his own orbitVegeta even states in the Buu Saga that Bulma's hospitality and Goku's kindness got to him and he started like living on Earth and Super reaffirms that by having him state that her stubborn refusal to be cowed were what attracted him to her. His relationship with her wasn't just a byproduct of becoming an earthling in general, it was specifically forged through the unique, abrasive, and deeply human friction of their clashing personalities
>>289909413Sakura is probably the character I've jerked off to the most in my entire life.Never watched Naruto btw
>>289935833>This is a false equivalence. Krillin was Goku's best friend of their entire lives. Mai is a shoehorned romantic lead who has known Trunks off-screen for a fraction of that timebut what you're saying is a false equivalence. Goku is the main character of Dragon Ball and Krillin is his best friend. They've had more screen time together than any other character up until that point on Namek bar Bulma. Of course Mai isn't going to have the same amount of 'weight', but only to the viewers. Future Trunks was only in one arc, and Mai in parts of old DB. We're only shown them briefly before drama quickly ensues in the Future Trunks arc. My point is, you're saying that because Mai and Trunks don't have the same story longevity that Goku and Krillin did, then her character and what it does to Trunks are just tropes and should be dismissed, but you're not actually arguing against any of the dynamics of their relationship and how it affects Trunks. >If a pairing doesn't require chemistry and the partner is just an active body in a fight...This is a strawman, I did not say that. You stated earlier how one of the components of a good pair was it had plot initiation, and so I brought her plot important actions into light, that is all. I did not discuss whether those things had chemistry with Trunks, good or bad. >Bulma is loud, arrogant, wealthy, fiercely independent, and completely unafraid of a psychotic space prince who can blow up planetsAnd Mai is a very caring and supportive woman for someone like Trunks who is a defeated and depressed soul. She's even motherly towards him, which makes sense considering how Future Bulma is killed. But we see Trunks develop from this dynamic where in the climax of his arc he finds his resolve and strength from the people that care about him (and not just the other way around), and he uses this to defeat Zamasu. Like it or not, their dynamic does fit well and it does lead to character growth for Trunks.
>>289910201>>289910852Yeah, besides they had some really "couple moments" going on even if it was some kind of a "mother-son" relationship as well. Besides nobody knew the shitshow that was going to happen at the end of the first season.
>>289899245Het ships are only good for NTR
>>289935797Based chad>>289936061Seethe cuck
>>289931215Akane literally won. She was the only one that got to actually be with Aqua. Kana lost and got raped by the director
>>289918637there is also no yu gi oh, yu yu yakusho, hunter x hunter and evangelion.and especially evangelion has a huge shipping community so it's almost as if the writing is better
>>289935685learn to use google search retard
>>289928817many mangaka base their heroines on their ideal waifus.Tolove Ru creator based Haruna on his wife, Belldandy creator said she is his ideal wife and married a girl who cosplayed as her like Oda did, and Anno for created Mari for his.Also put the obvious rent a girlfriend schizo schizo author that choose chizuru over his own real wife lol
>>289936591>Goku is the main character of Dragon Ball and Krillin is his best friend. They've had more screen time together than any other character up until that point on Namek bar Bulma. Of course Mai isn't going to have the same amount of 'weight', but only to the viewers.That completely misses why I even brought up Krillin in the first place. It isn't about raw screentime; it's about earned emotional weight. When Krillin died, the audience felt Goku's devastation because the relationship was built *on-screen*. When Super tries to give Trunks a dramatic power-up through Mai's fake-out death, the narrative is asking the audience to feel the weight of a deep, life-altering love that was never built on-screen. You cannot demand the audience care about a tragedy when the foundation of the relationship happened off-screen via a series of bizarre retcons>This is a strawman, I did not say that.That's not a strawman. You're just dodging your own logical corner. You explicitly tried to dismiss my point about Bulma and Vegeta's chemistry by arguing that Bulma was just a tool for training gear and that chemistry didn't matter as long as actions "initiated plot." Now, when called out on how replacing Mai with a generic soldier would yield the exact same plot result, you backtrack and try to claim Mai does have a specific dynamic. You can't argue "chemistry doesn't matter, only plot initiation does" in one breath, and then claim "their specific dynamic is what caused his growth" in the next
>>289936591>And Mai is a very caring and supportive woman for someone like Trunks who is a defeated and depressed soul. She's even motherly towards him, which makes sense considering how Future Bulma is killed. That only makes it 10 times worse and horrifying because you're arguing that a woman whose mental age is in her 60s acting "motherly" toward a young man after his real mother dies is a great romantic dynamic. That isn't even a defense, it's a complete self-own1. Trunks losing his mother and replacing her emotional role with a 60-year-old woman in a de-aged body who acts "motherly" toward him is not a healthy, romantic dynamic, it's incredibly bizarre psychodrama2. A romance built on "she replaces his dead mom by being motherly" completely strips Trunks and Mai of actual romantic chemistry and turns the ship into a weird, Freudian coping mechanism
>>289900048they are and you like shit
>>289935448You sound like a vindictive yume lol,
>>289931742Get a VPN already, dummy
>>289935797They aren’t real, it’s all just jerking off in the end.
>>289900250That was genuinely a terrible choice and it didn't put much of filtering like you claim either
>>289899245If your ship isn't in the list, its irrelevant Only popular things are hated. But why give so much attention to random poll from random websiteWhats the total vote counts? 100??
>>289905107Naruhina isn't as popular as SasuSaku So for many people Naruhina is irrelevant
>>289904842> gay shipper calling others subhumanLmao
>>289914262Most of this is just cope
What's your most hated ship, anon?For me it's probably Takanashi x Inami
>>289935797You lack any proper social development to understand why people pursue romance in media.
>>289935797>don't you want to fuck the girls yourself?You know they aren't real
>>289941532it was posted on famous tiktok japanese page so its fairly popular also popular things are hated if they become popular, nobody cares if something unpopular is bad.>naruhina isn't popularjust because yumes don't insert as Hinata and make coping fanart doesn't mean naruhina is not popular, naruto and hinata had an entire movie dedicated to them, and that movie was extremely popular in Japan.Fanart is not always = popularity, there are things with no fanart that are popular.
>>289941956meant for >>289941557
>>289941956>it was posted on famous tiktok japanese page so its fairly popularDon't know what "famous tiktok" are you talking about, this poll is nowhere to be found on SPACOMIc official Tiktok (unless it's ancient), on their website, where they conduct polls, or their polls twitter.Regardless, judging by the other polls they hold, number of respondents is usually around 600 people, which is miniscule and unrepresentative of any demographic.
>>289899725>Nina Purpleton × Anavel GatoKoubros...
>>289899725>half of the list are fine pairingsWtf is wrong with Japanese>Trunks × Mai What? How is that 2nd place? Looks like shounenhomos are mad
Was Sakura ever interested in Naruto? I didn't watch it so I don't really know?
>>289942212Short answer: No.
>>289899245>makoto x everyone>makoto x sekai>makoto x kotahanalmao: some really hated makoto>rachel x bamunexpected for people to actually care in japan>Nina x GatoA classic
Conclusions of this thread: If you’re writing a series featuring a fujo-pandering male, don’t let him end up with anyone; just leave him single and bring the series to an end so that it remains a mystery.
>>289930507That's Bakugo/DekuBelow it is Gintoki/Hijikata from Gintama
>>289942536>>289912445anyone saying this le hecking fujos is a mouthbreather
No Kira x Lacus?
>>289942536was good for sasuke and trunks until they pulled bort and dbshit out of nowhere
>>289942166>fine pairingsdo you genuinely have that much of a trash taste
>>289942556exactly 99 of the list doesn't even have a yaoi fandom lol, only naruto does.where the fuck is the yaoi fandom of bleach or zero no tsukaima or oshi no ko or darling in the franxxx?
>>289942536none of those series were fujo oriented, fucking school days has literally 3 spots for fuck sake. Even if naruto and bleach had big female audiences, they never made more than 30/40% of the audience
>>289942587even the only ship of code geass featured is the lesbo ship lol even thou lelouch is shipped with suzaku, nobody hated lelouch with cc or kallen
>>289899725some of these were clearly meant to be bad pairings>Yuki Amano × Yuno Gasai (*Future Diary / Mirai Nikki*)>Misa Amane × Light Yagami (*Death Note*)that's the whole point. are japs retarded?
>>289899353FPBP
>>289942693people shipped Yukki with notkaworu and Light with L
>>289942718is sarada even her daughter
>>289942757that doesn't make the pairings good, people can still ship other ships and also the canon ships be shit, i know it's hard for some people to believe two things can be true at once but you know
>>289943072I still think Karin makes more sense and they just chickened out of it
>>289942587Bleach has a bigger female fandom than Naruto in Japan though they may be otome.
>>289905098>Nina x anyone, really.Gato was a piece of shit too. The best character in the show was probably the girl who sacrificed herself to let Kou pilot the new suit
>>289943258I don't think Bleach has that many big gay ships. It was Ichigo/Rukia that was the big one that lost.
>>289942536>don't write what you want or what makes sense for the characters because delusional retards will throw a hissy fitNo thanks.
>>289899725>Makoto Itou × Everyone (*School Days*)>Sekai Saionji × Makoto Itou (*School Days*)>Kotonoha Katsura × Makoto Itou (*School Days*)Damn he's iconic
>>289943341the faggot you are replying too is wrong because the 80% of the series that had a shitty main pairing don't pander to fujos, here is an example >>289943258
>>289899725>11. Makoto Itou × Everyone (*School Days*)At this point it's seems they just hate him.>2. Trunks × Mai (*Dragon Ball Super*)I don't follow DB much, but I thought these two were cool, no?
>>289943341have you ever considered the possibility of an author to be a shitty writer?
>>289923341>Why? They're the same.Idk. I think I see what you mean, but I feel more supportive of Hinata. When it comes to IchiOri, I can't even remember scenes about her liking him. But when it comes to Hinata, I feel like her feelings were louder, even though she didn't speak much.
>>289914308>>289909588how can anyone like sasuke x sakura is crazy.Sasuke literally forgot she existed
>>289942542No there was another poll with only straight ships made from the same account as this>>289899245 that included Kamijirouhttps://spacomic.com/ques/0310-2
>>289943937what's wrong with it? >Sasuke literally forgot she existedSasuke was pretty busy the entire story, he didn't have time to have sex.
>>289899245Why no gay ships?
>>289899725kaninibros…
>>289944071Cus none of them are canon lmao
>>289944071canon relationships only, and I can't recall a fujo ship ever becoming canon.
>>289899245Where's Hinata and Naruto
Where is Sanson x Marie?
Where are Shinji and Asuka?
>SAO fans want yaoibut.. how..
>>289944057he never loved her
>>289944094they put the lesbian shit from code geass you retard
I'm surprised Makima isn't on the list considering she is the most hated character in the anime history>>289899245>>289899725
>>289944108it's not canon ships only thou, kana and aqua are not canon and so aren't touma x Index
>>289915500If Mai ends up with anyone, it should be Yamcha lolImagine stealing your ex’s son’s girlfriend as revenge, kino
>>289899725>13. Kana Arima × Aqua (*Oshi no Ko*)Why is this hated? it isn't canon
Mai is an adult trapped in kid body. Shipping her woth trubks is weird. Super isn't canon
Sasusaku is just sasunaru for hetero women
>>289942536Oshi no ko has a fujo pandering MC and he didn't end up with anyone and you still have Kana x Aqua in there
>>289944666>Why is this hated?Because it's canon
>>289944806It's literally not deluded faggot. Read the manga
>>289944777Fujos aren't interesting in OnK.Yumes like Aqua x Kana and Aqua x Ruby thoughNobody likes Akane
Where's my incest?
>>289944903>t. Seething loserfag
>>289944777Yuricuckolds too with the familiar of zero.
If Oshi no ko's mc fucked girlfailure instead of his sister then hate is justified
>>289945060Kana literally lost and got BTFO. Stay seething, tranny
>>289899725>4. Kirito × Asuna (*Sword Art Online*)Who the fuck is upset at this? Foids who self-insert as one of the irrelevant girls then get upset Kirito doesnt end up with them?Main Guy X Main Girl is like the least upsetting pairing ever
>>289944666Because Kana fucked the director and purityfags seethed
>>289945169See >>289945060
>>289945232See>>289945212
>>289899725>Trunks x MaiThey're right, this was retarded.
>>289945232>>289945291akane won
>>289943757yes
>Akanekek got triggered againLosers never change
>>289944666Yeah I don't get it. I thought shippers hated the manga ending precisely because Aqua died and didn't end up with anyone despite the fact that it was always going to end in tragedy.
>>289944927>Fujos aren't interesting in OnK.Not per se but half the fanbase are women. Aqua also has the main traits of a shoujo MC so in a way he panders to women (fujos)
>>289945661If we go by social media women absolutely hate fujos because they make their husbandos gay
>>289945661Husbandfags are called Yume
>>289945726not him but most women that get into anime are fujos. that's just a fact
>>289940972>It isn't about raw screentime; it's about earned emotional weightYou implied that if something doesn't have weight (in comparison to something ridiculous like Goku and Krillin's time together), which you have not defined other than screen time at this point, then it's just a trope. That is a fallacy on two counts: one on being a false equivalence ("everything needs to be equivalent to this thing or it's meaningless", i.e. , "I'm going to treat all dynamics as if they were the same and dismiss the ones that don't stand up"), and the other a flawed conclusion entirely ("I personally didn't feel any weight, therefor the dynamic has none"). >a deep, life-altering loveIt's not to that degree yet. They are more like lovebirds/young couple, similar to Gohan and Videl after Buu's defeat.>a series of bizarre retcons... you're talking about Dragon Ball. Even then, what "bizarre retcons"? You do know that Mai wasn't just brought back for the Future Trunks arc, right?>That's not a strawman. You're just dodging your own logical corner.No, you strawmanned me and now you're attempting to double down on it. You stated there were multiple elements to what makes a good pair. I simply dissected that and gave examples for each of your proposed elements. You then attempted to take one of my examples and use it as a basis for some "chemistry" claim. I will not argue for your own strawman statements. >You can't argue "chemistry doesn't matterAnother strawman from you. Chemistry does matter, but you so far have stated no objective facts as to why the pair is bad other than you think Super is shit and personally don't like the pair. Your defense behind Bulma and Vegeta is absurd considering it is one of the most random pairings ever and even Toriyama's own explanation for it.
>>289900250>>289914262>>289915285Based
>>289945921That's false most of them are husbandofags who are homophobic but larp as woke
>>289941014Women are motherly, it's a feminine trait and a sexually desired one due to the purpose of sex. Acting "motherly" towards someone isn't by default from a fetishistic viewpoint, it simply means they are being supportive, caring, nurturing, etc. All women are capable of acting "motherly", be it mothers or not. Your projection about sexual fetishes over something so intrinsic to humans is gross. >it's a complete self-ownthe only "self-own" is using the term "self-own" in any seriousness, especially after projecting about your own sexual problems. >incredibly bizarre psychodramaDragon Ball is bizarre. Go read it first before arguing about it. >A romance built on "she replaces his dead mom by being motherly"She doesn't "replace his dead mom" nor is their relationship even remotely built on anything like that. She just emotionally supports him in the lowest point of his life, like he needs and as a good partner should. This is the same Trunks that asked Cell to kill him after realizing he stood no chance against his perfect form. Trunks has always been a sad person suffering from loss, so badly it defines him entirely. A soul like that can't do it alone and they don't just magically wake up the next day with the determination to keep going. That's why Trunks has always held on only with hope for the future and the little family he had left in Future Bulma. With her gone, it is entirely understandable Mai gives him more love. That is just a normal thing to do for a woman and not whatever the hell you were projecting.
>>289946272(my last reply, but I've said what I needed to.)
>>289946780based
>>289899829>>289918262>>289899245>worst>Zero and Hiro are in the listI genuinely don't care. Like yes, I came itt just to post picrel. Like without a word because of been offended or to give a word of defence.Just a picture of the most beautiful shipment in anime.
>>289923148>Serena winningwe got a live one over here! reminder, Ash's final episodes were about him bonding with and reminiscing with Misty, he didn't spare a single thought for the French whore and she doesn't even get a speaking line.
>>289900250it's bad because Super Mai is effectively a different character from the old Mai. she doesn't even look the same. nobody is especially angry about it, but it is dumb.
>>289948244>Just a picture of the most beautiful shipment in anime.maybe on planet retard
>>289900105it's a realistic outcome. Sakura is the dumb girl who thinks her pussy is good enough to "change" the brooding dark bad boy, and inevitably ended up as a temperamental single mother. Sasuke is utterly broken and hollow inside after a lifetime of experiencing nothing but pain suffering and loneliness and therefore does not know how to love anybody, so fucks off the instant he's confronted with the need for commitment.
it's funny because i remember like 20 years ago sasuke/sakura was the most popular naruto pairing
>posts image with no source>image of a polling vote shows no numbers>gets passive aggressive when asked for source to said image.>reverse image - Nonexistent no trace of image.>search up topic on website zero results came up. pure Ai slop bait
>>289923254Well, here you got one guy still being mad about it >>289948712
>>289948712It's been 10 years my guy. Time to let it go. This salt isn't healthy.
>>289899245>half the list is series from after 2010>no Ranma x AkaneI'm getting too old
>>289943216she was supposed to be but fans started sending death threats to people at Shueisha during the leadup to the reveal so they changed the plot.
>>289899245Sakura and Sasuke as the worst pairing of all time.you dont say ??
>>289945209incestfags who wanted Suguha to win
>>289942212 Early part two is undeniably proof that she had grown feelings for him until Sasuke returned to the screen and it all went away.
>>289948995>>289949084Serenafanboy mass delusions would be cute if it wasn't so sad
>>289899922>share an eng VAan interesting coincidence
>>289943072>>289943216she inherited nothing from Sakura and somehow has large chakra reserves ?? it's almost as if sasuke shat her out.
>>289942363during the Tenchi Bridge arc she is one sentence away from saying she loves him at multiple points.
>>289949348You are literally doing the Narusakufag equivalent of insisting you "technically won" because Sauce fucked off while Sakura lives in the village with Naruto and sees him every day.Go embarrass yourself somewhere else.
>>289949471>Sauce fucked off while Sakura lives in the village with Naruto and sees him every day.I have no doubt Naruto is fucking Sakura's brains out as well as Sarada being her illegitimate child.
>>289949522Pinkshitbros, we won!
>>289918305You don't know what are you are talking about fujo cock sucker
>>289923401It's just goofy asf if you have been watching dragon ball from start. Kinda ruins trunks character.
>>289949967Super in general was like this, not just because of the ship desu
>>289946645>homophobicNah this people are more likely to be closet bi especially third world fujos. There was a pol on some bl sub and turns out half of them were bi. Yaoi being exclusively straight girls fetish is just a myth.
I still believe that Akane could win if OnK was shounen or mecha.Not sure why her ship with Aqua is hated because Kane herself is very popular in Japan. Maybe people hate Aqua.
>>289950181I was talking about yumes. They hate fujoshis more than małe otakus
>>289946272>You implied that if something doesn't have weight (in comparison to something ridiculous like Goku and Krillin's time together), which you have not defined other than screen time at this pointNope. I wasn't saying Mai needs 400 chapters of screentime to matter. I'm explaining the basics of narrative payoff. If a writer wants an audience to care when a character gets shot/injured to trigger a dramatic transformation, that emotional weight *must* be established for the viewer on-screen first. Dismissing viewer investment as "that's just your opinion man, you didn't feel it" is a complete misunderstanding of storytelling. If the audience doesn't feel it, the scene failed its narrative objective>They are more like lovebirds/young couple, similar to Gohan and Videl after Buu's defeat.No. Gohan and Videl were high school teenagers living in a peaceful era, getting to know each other through everyday banter, school life, and fighting local crime. Trunks and Mai are surviving an apocalyptic genocide where billions are dead, mothers are being murdered in front of their sons, and humanity is on the brink of extinctionTrying to equate a lighthearted teen romance in peacetime to a grim war-torn romance is absurd. You can't claim a ship is "just lighthearted lovebirds" when the narrative uses it as the high-stakes emotional core of a bleak extinction arc>what "bizarre retcons"?See >>289924360>Your defense behind Bulma and Vegeta is absurd considering it is one of the most random pairings everThat actually proves my point. Bulma and Vegeta WAS random initially. But Toriyama earned it after the fact by giving them clashing personalities, unique friction, explicit dialogue, AND an arc where Vegeta directly attributes his domestic growth and redemption to Bulma and his familyTrunks and Mai are also random. But Super failed to earn it after the fact, replacing personality friction and chemistry with off-screen setup, blushing, and generic military beats
>>289946780>All women are capable of acting "motherly", be it mothers or not. Your projection about sexual fetishes over something so intrinsic to humans is gross.I never mentioned fetishes or sex, though. I pointed out a basic narrative flaw: if you frame a romantic partner's primary dynamic as replacing maternal care *right after the hero's mom dies*, it strips the ship of actual romantic chemistry and turns it into a grief-coping mechanismYou're just flailing because you got called out on using the word motherly to justify a romance involving a 60-year-old woman in a teenager's body comforting a guy whose real mom just died>This is the same Trunks that asked Cell to kill him after realizing he stood no chance against his perfect form.Trunks didn't give up out of sheer depression. He realized his bulky Ultra Super Saiyan form was too slow to hit Cell and that he had recklessly endangered everyone by using a flawed transformation. His request for Cell to kill him was an act of shame over his tactical failure, not a total loss of his fundamental heroic drive. Trunks' entire core in DBZ was that, despite endless tragedy, he kept fighting no matter how lonely he was. Reducing Future Trunks to a broken mess who couldn't function without a de-aged gag villain to hug him actually cheapens his character and the mental fortitude he showed in the History of Trunks and Android SagaIronically, that panel you posted illustrates what I have been saying all along. Where is the romantic chemistry? Where is the personality clash, the witty banter, the shared worldview, or the mutual attraction? It's just silent trauma-bonding. Mai functions purely as a emotional leaning post for Trunks' grief and comforting someone in a war zone is a human act, but trauma comfort is not the same thing as a written, developed romantic relationship
>>289907701>Kubo himself is coming back to jumpYeah right nigga
>>289941098Doesn't matter. They have sex everyday and (You) don't. How does that feel?
>>289922036>Two people who he fought to the death with and a literal toddlerKEK wtf
>Trunks x Mai
>>289899245Which is fine, because it's a revolting, beyond utter ship pairing, and I wouldn't have it any other way, because it keeps both of those awful characters away from better ones. It's the shit containing marriage. >>289899245>ErenMikasa>ToumaIndexBased elevens. Those ships are garbage too.
>>289944237Good. Shitkura is a bitch, she deserves single motherhood. I'm glad Naruto didn't end up with a women who beats and abuses him like she would.
>>289899829The fuck are you on about? A bunch of the list are series that either haven't ended, or don't even have an actual endgame pairing. Raildex for example is far from over, and nobody knows if Touma x Index will ever be canon. And it'd be highly disingenuous to call Eremika canon, despite the fact that the manga established (more like forced) that their feelings were mutual.
>>289943794>When it comes to IchiOri, I can't even remember scenes about her liking himAre you fucking serious niggaThis was a better confession than I've read in any romance series
>>289951436>They have sex everyday >Sasuke and Sakura who canonically went through a decade without having sex despite being married>Mikasa and Eren, who never even kissed (while both were alive) >Touma and IndexLOL, LMAO even.
>>289949522>Slutkura's best ending in your eyes is being the town bike and a single mother after getting pumped & dumpedKek, fitting end to her character
>>289949522>I have no doubt Naruto is fucking Sakura's brains out Naruto doesn't give a single shit about Sakura's life as an adult. They canonically rarely see each other or catch up since he's always budy doing hokage stuff or having sex with Hinata or whatever the fuck he does.
kirito and asuna are number 4? really?
>>289899625>>ErenMikasaTo be fair, the ending poisoned it and everything thing else
>>289899725>Makoto Itou thrice.Lel. >>289899829The male self insert ship (NaruHina) is exempt
>>289950242Akane literally won and her ship with Aqua isn't hated otherwise it would be featured in this poll.
>>289944253She's evil though, that's the whole point. She's a cunt
>>289907701Limp dick Japs can't appreciate a series for tall, handsome intelligent western Europeans like Bleach.
>>289952996BASED GOKU. MY HERO!
>>289952996Know your place, puppy
>>289899725>Nina Einstein × Euphemia li BritanniaI'm more confused by this than anything else considering they had pretty much zero interactions.
>>289899245>NinaxGatoIt's honestly impressive just how awful 0083 is that people are still mad 35 years alter.
>>289953581Nina was a gar for her.
>>289954211I know she was gay but they never interacted once, so why the hate?
>>289899725>3 Nina in the listIs that name cursed?>>289954223Well, ships aren't about canon. Probably their shippers are very loud in Japanese community. I like Code Geass but I've never interacted with its community so I can't say what's going on inside.
>>289954253It's a meme like the table scene. They just hate her so much just like we do
>>289954223Nina is a pretty messed up character. You think she's just the cute shy glasses girl, but then...>racist against Japanese>sexual obsession with the most virtuous character>builds weapon of mass destruction>urges its useHaving her one-sided infatuation make this list is crazy, though.
>>289954285>>289954387I agree that Nina is fucking shit but putting her into shipping list only for that doesn't make sense for me. I think her shippers exist and they are very loud.
>>289899725>Kana Arima × AquaIt's good to see the losers recognize this is the canon couple
>>289951896It's clearly not a one size fits all situation with lists like this. For example, Sasusaku is relatively popular in both the west and in Japan, but other than its fans you have people who like other ships better and well, people with common sense hating on it or at least thinking it's bad, so it ends up here anyways. Likewise, Naruhina is also popular in Japan (The Last, AKA Naruhina: the movie is a romantic season classic over there) and the west, yet it still has tons of haters, just not enough to feature here and specially in lists made in Japan. Ichihime has the opposite issue to SS, it does have a fanbase but with Ichiruki being so huge within the fanbase, that means it's going to be hated by a lot of fans despite not being inherently offensive or anything like that. It does seem like with the TYBW adaptation, lots of people among the flicker anime viewers are coming around to like Ichihime, though.
Now that Onk is done people recognize Akane is best girl and best character
>>289899725>Misa Amane x Light YagamiI agree
>>289954223Euphemia gave her clothes to wear, so Nina got all thirsty and stalkery but then had to find out Euphemia liked Suzaku instead kek.>>289920313Ohba even said it was fine for Light to manipulate Misa since she was evil for killing people.
>>289954387Some people would say the racism and nuke are bad, but can't compare to the molesting of poor Table-kun for the sake of Euphemia.
