you've had more than enough time to learn Japanese and stop relying on third parties to tell you what the characters are saying

Subs nowadays are kinda shaky yeah

I miss the fansub wars of the early 2010s. Coming on here and comparing all the releases of the first episode of something like AnoHana to see which team made the least mistakes/flowed the best. The past is a foreign country.

>>289951129
I can tell that you weren't around for the fansubs age, because then you'd remember waiting for subs and never knowing when they were out, and some of the atriocious groups like hadena.
Now you get them immediately at the same time as the japanese, and you still just torrent them. And several has different translations.
Honestly your complaints are just silly.

>>289951299
And the shit AI is only going to make things worse.

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>>289951129
>Fansub
I'm not a pirate.

>>289951129
amazing how CR subs were bottom of the barrel in the early 10's and still are a decade and a half later.

>>289951681
You wouldn't know that looking at the image because the CR subs are clearly the best of those options other than the native Japanese

>>289951129
Crunchyroll subs are actually much more consistently good than fansubs ever were.

I notice nowadays Crunchyroll subs have gotten worse. It's way more common for honorifics to be translated as like "Miss Sayaka." Would be better to just have it say "Sayaka" or "Sayaka-san."

>>289951129
Cracked subs are better

>>289951129
>>289951299
Most subs today are fine, I feel like you're retarded or easily amused by flash effects if you think there's been any significant change in sub quality.
If anything, the "good old days" of whatever, probably 2004-2012, were loaded down with awful quality subs.
A lot of shows would straight up go unfinished and another team would have to pick it up if you were lucky (but the actual scenario was that a real licensor picked it up and finished the show). The third season of RnK is still three episodes away from being fully subbed, its been like twenty years.
There'd be fucking crabsticks subs everywhere. You couldn't watch ZZ and V Gundam without getting the worst subs possible, where half the dialogue was some insane telephone game shit (if not outright made up), or Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei's subs not getting half the jokes in the show. The best subs for all three shows I just mentioned are, ironically (to this thread) the official subs from Nozomi Entertainment.

The reality is that most of you fags probably just want honorifics (which you can hear) and flashy subtitle effects, both of which you can do yourself. Open up SubEdit or AegisSub, dick around for two minutes, and you've made your meme subs. Put them on nyaa (and remember to not seed your dogshit release like every other dipshit who thinks subbing is just this).

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>>289951129
I just want an accurate translation of what the characters are saying with untranslatable terms being left untranslated, honorifics and with proper Japanese name ordering. Why is this so much to ask?
>le learn le japanese
fuck off

I miss translated OPs and EDs.

>>289951989
>want honorifics
Yes. Also jp name order.

>>289951654
The Kraken is lurking

>>289951129
Post the Ace Attorney version of this.

audio: talking about sex and porn
subtitles: “yes”

>>289951129
CR is exactly what you niggers wanted. Every TL is flat and lifeless, never has anything that sounds like it could be le epic meme (even when that's what the characters are actually saying), very ESL friendly, no TL notes (people complained about those all the time in the fansub era)
>>289953097
Just weaboos who hear single words out of context and think they know moon and culture warriors trying to invent a fifth gaymergate

>>289953414
Sorry for not wanting to have trump incel amogus wubba lubba dub dub in my subs anon, I’m sure reddit loves it though

>>289952219
Yeah you can do that yourself dipshit

>>289954239
No fuck off the lazy subbers should do it like the slaves they are!

>>289951654
Go away, moralfag zoomer newfag.

>>289953987
Fascinating.

>>289953414
>people complained about those all the time in the fansub era
Not really accurate.

>>>/vg/576625951
Unmediated

>>289951129
you say this now, but at the time you'd be the dumbfuck who complained about quality of subs without knowing a word of japanese
seriously kill yourself

>>289956435
>>289956493
A*K and his psychopath friends?

>>289956435
more like unmedicated

>>289951129
It's genuinely thankless and takes too long compared to the CR/whoever so everyone will just go for the first available sub anyway.

>>289957050
They don't make 'em like they used to

>>289957176
This is exactly how fansubs died.
I wonder when the first MTL groups appear, that generate subs out of the audio within an hour.

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You're not a real fan unless your subs look like this

>>289951129
ZOOMOIDS don't know how into fansub.
ZOOMOIDS cry when fansub has colors, honorifcs, cursing, and "problematic" language. You have exactly what you deserve with nu-anime being garbage and having garbage subs made with AI from crunchyroll.
ZOOMOIDS are cuckolds who don't own any anime and Crunchroll will remov any anime they want when they feel like it from their PAYPIGS.

This is an example of the tourist subhuman zoomoid >>289951989. This is the species that invaded the scene in 2020.

>>289954239
>all subs are fine because you can just edit them to be good
lmao what a based retard

>>289951129
Super accurate image because not one of them translates “hai” as “yes”.
I was reminded of this watching Nu GITS when Batou literally says “Lucky!” but the subs translate it as “sweet deal” like the guy said the English word “lucky” there’s nothing to even translate and they still fuck it up.

>>289958039
What's wrong with modifying every ASS file so the scripts of my harem programs are about Anon going on adventures with tumblr sluts?

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>>289957580
>This is an example of the tourist subhuman zoomoid >>289951989(You).
Based on your own criteria, no.

>ZOOMOIDS don't know how into fansub.
I actually do make my own fansubs, specifically for my personal groupwatches that none of you are invited to. I even insert dumb sub jokes into them.
>ZOOMOIDS cry when fansub has colors, honorifcs, cursing, and "problematic" language.
Nope. I don't really care if colours or honorifics are used, but I also don't mind if they're not. I don't need honourifics when I can, you know, hear them.
As for cursing and "problematic" language, most of the time it's made up by the subbers. Big name for that is ARR, I bet there's people here who honest to god think they actually watched Raideen with those subs.
>You have exactly what you deserve with nu-anime being garbage and having garbage subs made with AI from crunchyroll.
You'd be surprised by how many fansubs just used MTL.
>ZOOMOIDS are cuckolds who don't own any anime
I don't know why you'd bring this up when anime has been a piracy scene in the west for over fifty years.
>and Crunchroll will remov any anime they want when they feel like it from their PAYPIGS.
I don't even know why you think I use CR or why CR precludes one from 'owning anime'.

This type of hate of specifically anime streaming is what really denotes someone doesn't watch anime because at WORST, all CR does is
>Provide the highest quality video source for a broadcast show
>Provides a sub file that can be easily fixed if it has issues since all the tedious work is already done
Unless you were buying BDs, there's no real reason to actually hate CR.

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>>289958039
>>all subs are fine because you can just edit them to be good
>lmao what a based retard
Oh yeah, on this. I kind of addressed it here >>289958209 but yeah, it is fine.
The issue with subbing isn't even really translation. Even if you don't know Japanese, you can pay a guy like $30 to translate for you and then you just paste their translation into the already timed, already styled subs.
I don't see this issue at all because subs are the easiest thing in the world to fix when they come from CV, HiDive, Amazon, etc.- they did all the boring tedious work for me. If I need to fix anything I just open up subedit and do it myself, it's so convenient that every anime that has issues with prosubs usually has a group taking the subs and fixing them within the same day they're posted.

And this is all ignoring that the prosubs are usually fine. Again, some of the best translations came from prosubs- the first good translation of Dragon Ball was Funimation's subtitles. I still have the old manga fan translation, the variety of old DB fansubs, some of the Hawaiian prosubs, and all of them are infinitely worse than the subtitles done at Funimation (and ironically, DB prosubs only got bad when Toei got more creative control over them in the late 2010s).

>>289958119
There's no "hai" in there

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>>289958344
>subs can never be bad because you can just pay someone $30 to translate the episode for you and then you can copy and paste it over the existing subs

>>289958119
That's what it means ラッキー isn't the same thing as English "lucky."

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>>289958884
Wrong. Why lie?

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>>289958346
Right here bud.
What’s up with these bots?

>>289951299
>nowadays

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>>289958382
The point was that even if they were bad to the point of requiring a full retranslation, the effort needed would still be significantly less than making the subs purely from scratch.
They are a net positive no matter how you look at it.

>>289959339
>wiktionary
damn, sure showed me
and get off your fucking phone while you're at it

>>289958119
>>289958884
>>289959339
ラッキー is literally 'lucky' but the way Japs use it gives it different technical meanings if you want to naturalize it into English.
The thing with GITS as well is that it's licensed by Amazon, so it's likely that they tender their subtitles in such a way that they can be easily prepped for dubbing. I wouldn't know though.

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>>289959373
look at the Japanese
then again the original meme didn't have the Japanese and that was reconstructed later, so who knows who's right

>>289959373
>>289958119
>strong opinions on best practice for translations that everyone just needs to know right now
>doesn't even know enough moon to read 良い
every one of these threads in a nutshell

>>289959516
>an actual source
Yeah boss you got one of your own or you just wanna keep spouting bullshit all day?

>>289959636
>>289959700
I’m not talking about the Japanese I’m talking about the literally typed “hai” which is written on the image which anon claimed did not exist. Stop moving your goalposts.

>>289951129
I want to shove a plug up the asshole of every person on CR

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>>289951129
AI subs...? If you've a setup that can take care of the dialog timing.

>>289951129
Learn polish. There are fucktons of fansub groups. Frieren alone got like 6 versions.

>>289951129
I just want to watch my haremkino with good subs man, that's all I'm asking

>>289960287
All those fansubbers translate from english anon...
it's a telephone game which results in less authenticity than the original CR subs

>>289960705
The point isn't to get a more accurate or readable translation it's too avoid words that might trigger our very sensitive /a/nons. And Polish subs won't do that since they're in Polish

>>289951989
>YOU CAN HEAR THE HONORIFICS SO YOU NEED TO WRITE CONFLICTING INFORMATION INSTEAD
>>289958209
>Also I make parody subs for fun and do not give a single fuck about the written source material by the way but yeah take my opinion on official subs seriously guys
No. I wish people like you would just shut the fuck up every time someone that DOES care opens their mouth to speak, instead of you just telling them to not care because you don't. What do you have to lose if you are writing your own subs? Nothing at all, unless you are being a subversive piece of shit and actually do have an investment in this.

>>289951129
T/N: 1/1=0

>>289961180
>>YOU CAN HEAR THE HONORIFICS SO YOU NEED TO WRITE CONFLICTING INFORMATION INSTEAD
I said it didn't really matter what was written, but dropping them isn't writing conflicting information. It's excising irrelevant information.
>>Also I make parody subs for fun and do not give a single fuck about the written source material by the way
I include flashy effects in the OPs and EDs as a joke actually. I've probably put more effort into subbing than you've put into anything you're ever done, translating and doing karaoke for insert tracks (with Conan a fair chunk had just never been subbed before from what I'd seen), getting custom consistent styles down, having to retime entire films and specials was a fucking pain (and I am thankful that CR subbed Episode 345 of Conan, a special running over 120 minutes, immediately before I did my overhaul to the translation and my various additions).
>every time someone that DOES care opens their mouth to speak,
You don't care. You don't sub, you don't know how to despite it being the easiest shit in the world to do and most of the effort comes from tedium or knowing someone who knows Japanese in the absolute worst cases, you don't do anything. You don't contribute anything.
You sit on your fat fucking ass demanding that people cater to you because you fetishize dumbass shit you don't even understand anyways. You should kill yourself for posting this. Put a gun in your mouth and blow your brains out for writing this self-aggrandizing drivel, and you will have contributed more value to this scene than you ever would have otherwise.

Why did I get tagged from another board

>>289961385
What thread

>>289951129
Calm down anon, stop shaking with anger

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>>289961367
>if you don't make the anime, you don't care about the anime your watching
>waaa you should just die for daring to confront me :c
Fucking piece of shit cunt with zero logic coursing through your brain. Nobody is talking about your scene retardnigger, whether I have made subs in the past or occasionally even now is not even relevant and not something worth discussing. You are addressing complaints of fucking dogshit subs by saying you should just make them yourself. Maybe I don't want to have to fucking spoil myself on the anime by fucking writing the subs myself every time i watch an episode of anime? Have you ever for one second thought about how fucking annoying it is if I have to go through and rewrite every fucking line for like 8 hours before I watch it and then fail to have all the scenes be as impactful because I know all the lines by heart at the end of it? All I fucking want is the official nigger who receives the script to not fucking strip every ounce of Japanese culture out of it and replace it with some shitty american culture but noooooo thats too big of an ask.
Now shut the fuck up and get back to westernizing your next work you blatant corpo trannylator who insists on propagandizing your slop on this site still.

>>289961937
>>if you don't make the anime, you don't care about the anime your watching
Holy shit you're a retard man.
You don't understand a single word being posted.
Go use an AI to make your subs and shut up then, I don't care. You have no insight and are too retarded to both make subs and read posts.

>>289961967
>this mad your logic immediately backfired
KEK

>>289962004
The logic is that your complaints are stupid.
You have failed to provide examples of bad prosubs whatsoever, you've failed to explain why they're bad for merely existing, and you've failed to argue against any point I've made, instead leaping to incredibly dumb and wildly off point conclusions.
When I said "If you have issues, you can edit the subs yourself", that was the alternative to "There are no subs at all".

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>>289962057
Every fucking sub is bad? The fucking subs will say "I pulled" and the fucking line reads "I didn't push." Do you genuinely need me to go compile examples when half the lines of every single episode of every single anime are just flat out wrong and ruin all kind of subtle details? Virtually all English subs available are a mockery. Also I just joined in here for your information >>289961180

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>>289962173
All four of those are completely accurate

>>289951129
The seeds were always there

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>>289958209
>specifically for my personal groupwatches
Narcissistic zoomoid really thinks he is a celebrity. Do you want a crowd and a kiss in the lips pretty princess?
>I don't really care if colours or honorifics are used
We're not talking about YOU retarded zoomoid. I know your generation are retards who can't only think of themselves, but we're talking about what's good for anime. And in that regard, fansubs from the past are superior to subs from today which follow your shitty race to the bottom low effort garbage for low IQ cucks who don't care about this hobby.

I gave you the privilege of reading the rest of your retarded post but you really made it about yourself in particular. No wonder you faggots are so useless. Is all about ME ME ME. Anime motherfucker, do you watch it?

I have old good, new bad fatigue

>>289963267
>shut up and consoom product :)

Translations need to be more Accurate, Clear, and Kept-in-context

>>289951989
TRVKE

>>289963335
That's very informative, dude. I'm sure you can shake "localization" wokefest with your mind breaking argument.

>>289963172
>Narcissistic zoomoid
Ironic to call someone else a narcissist given the rest of your post.
>I know your generation are retards who can't only think of themselves, but we're talking about what's good for anime.
Honorifics don't really matter much at all.
In the vast majority of anime, they exist because they're token. You can drop them with no issue whatsoever because the relationships that honorifics imply are always clear in a vast majority of anime.
As for colours, they're not important at all. If anything they're for a viewer who struggles to actually pay attention to anime in their utility, as the most they denote is who is speaking when the characters aren't in frame.
>And in that regard, fansubs from the past are superior to subs from today which follow your shitty race to the bottom low effort garbage for low IQ cucks who don't care about this hobby.
It's funny that 'caring for the hobby' means not watching anime and jerking off to crabsticks subs that typically made shit up most of the time anyways.
>Is all about ME ME ME.
Of course you're ESL as well.
>Anime motherfucker, do you watch it?
You clearly don't, given this specific image is only posted in /v/ and this thread is being raided by /v/.

I say everything should be DUWANG for consistency

>>289951129
But only when anon scans it.

>>289963927
>You can drop them with no issue
No you can't lol. The honorifics are literally their way to refer to someone of higher or lower standing, as well as someone who is a close relative, just a friend, or a stranger. Best you can is try to adapt it to the equivalent in the language, but these HONORIFICS are specific to the japanese language, they're not always going to work. And in the worst cases, like the ones you're defending, they outright remove the honorific and just put the name of the character because they're lazy retards and engage in cultural imperialism and corporate enshitification.

Listen retarded zoomer, just because you don't care about this hobby because you started watching in 2020 or whatever or you're a faggot who enjoys crunchyroll doesn't mean your opinion is valid. Your OPINION is dogshit. And you're objectively wrong. YOU and people like you, made this medium WORSE. And with things like this
>If anything they're for a viewer who struggles to actually pay attention
The people who started this hobby did colors. You're just a lowly pest invader, and worse, a low effort shitter. Since you gave yourself pats in the back before saying OH MY CHUNGUS I DO MY OWN FANSUBS FOR MY SICRIT CLUB, you're a negative unlike the people who did those colored subs.

>>289964232
nta why don’t you just learn Japanese?

>>289951129
>upper case kino

>>289964232
>No you can't lol. The honorifics are literally their way to refer to someone of higher or lower standing
I addressed this in my post. Learn to read.
>Listen retarded zoomer, just because you don't care about this hobby because you started watching in 2020
You newfags keep bumping up these years like it has any meaning. The reality is that you're probably a massive newfag and just don't think you are because you watched Tardruto in the 2010s.
It's also the dumbest thing to purity test because how can you even prove it. What, do you want me to post my DB Saga sets that have been OOP for like 20 years? My Hunter x Hunter OVA import? My Case Closed sets? Oh but that's being le consoomer so it doesn't count or whatever.
>The people who started this hobby did colors.
No they really fucking didn't, because doing colour subs using your VCR and limited equipment would've been a pain in the ass beyond what anyone would actually want to do.
Colour subs exist for the same reason that zsnes has snow in it. Some dipshit thought it looked cool and just did it. That's it.
There is no grand history or intent to colour subs beyond someone, specifically someone in the 00s LONG AFTER fansubbing was already an established thing, thinking it looked neat. And yeah it looks neat. But it's not some essential piece to anime subs, it's just a thing you can choose to do or choose to not do, and most people throughout history chose not to do it. It largely only exists for moeblob and kodomo shows for a reason.
>OH MY CHUNGUS I DO MY OWN FANSUBS FOR MY SICRIT CLUB
That was me pointing out how easy this shit is.
You want your stupid coloured subs, do it yourself. It's easy. Nobody does it because it's pointless.

>>289951485
>hadena
Your Mom.
No, I'm not insulting you. Your Mom was the worst. Or, if you REALLY wanna go back, Anime Junkies.

>retard can't make colored subs
>blown away by this FACT
>he's simply inferior to elité colored sub artisans
>l-learn J-Japanese (if food is bad you've to be a chef)
Sad. Shameful spray.

Regarding fonts in fansubs, lowercase fucking sucks.

>>289964599
It's funny how you've never actually responded to the part where you get called out for not actually watching anime.
If you did, you'd quickly figure out why your fascination with coloured subs is retarded.

All subs should be colored (yellow)

>>289964319
why would I? most of the anime I like is not that new. if you want to do shit subs then do it. you're only hurting yourself and the retards who defend your behavior. don't cry when you get publicly humiliated though
>>289964599
retard probably couldn't make a single karaoke but acts like he's hotshit because he streams for his clique in discord. what a faggot.

>>289964806
>retard probably couldn't make a single karaoke
Also not that hard to make. Mostly just tedious.
You don't watch anime btw.

>>289963335
Agreed

>>289964847
and yet you can't do it.
>y-you don't watch a-anime bro... you are arguing against me that means you don't LIKE ANIME!1111 ;__;
healthy kek. the low T reeks from here.

>>289961204
lol

>>289965089
>and yet you can't do it.
I can actually. Because it's just timing. I do partial karaoke subs as a joke as well, whenever a song enunciates each individual syllable.
>>y-you don't watch a-anime bro... you are arguing against me that means you don't LIKE ANIME!1111 ;__;
Nah I'm saying you don't watch anime because you haven't talked about anime even once, and watching anime would make you quickly realize why not every anime could have coloured subs.

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>Fandubs were better
HAhahaha, oh man no they weren't
>episode might not come out for weeks because someone on the team is delayed or wants to do another series first
>series dropped because no reason given
>want to use X subs 3 seeders in Philippines who all have 56k
>it's another episode of subbers getting mad about random beef so they won't do something or just straight up change things
>it's another 144/240p upload (srry hdd low on PC w/e I don't really liek dis series anyway) download
>subs are obviously made up
>hey guys I wanna use commie because (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

While I am not a fan of AI slop, the ability for AI to simply take the audio and give me a 1:1 translate is kinda nice. You don't know how good you have it these days, sure there are "some" problems out there with direct translations being off but it's minor compared to the "I know japanese lemme sub I took 2 classes in HS pl0x"

>>289965150
if you haven't uploaded an anime episode with karaoke subs for everyone to download/watch in a public site then you can't do karaoke. that's what matters. your circlejerk in discord is irrelevant.
>haven't talked about anime even once
because the thread is about fansubs, not about a specific series lmao. you really are expecting a kiss and a hug now? add some tongue to tongue action too

>>289965415
>if you haven't uploaded an anime episode with karaoke subs for everyone to download/watch in a public site then you can't do karaoke.
Crazy how you complained about ego and then whine about people not giving you free shit.
There's perfectly adequate normal subs for most shows. I'm not uploading a borderline clone because I inserted some dumbass memes into the OP and ED.
>because the thread is about fansubs, not about a specific series lmao.
And you can't bring up any examples?
You're clearly some /v/tard that doesn't watch anime. The fact that you're so defensive (and obsessed with non-anime things, and only post images no used on /a/) exposes this fact.

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>>289951129
I like how most of these are dead now, and 4kids is considered the gold standard that some fags actually defend.
But hey, at least we get shit released on time.

I sure do enjoy it when people who barely understand Japanese fight over anime subtitles with people who barely understand English

>>289964455
To be honest, the only shows I remember AnimeJunkies being Hadena-tier bad on were GITS SAC (which everyone knows from the meme), Yumeria, and Chobits. They were solid most of the time quality-wise, more like a Hatsuyuki type of group. At the time, what actually made them hated was their lolcow antics surrounding their releases, like their open letter to Urban Vision, or holding episodes hostage behind getting a certain number of people in their IRC channel.
I don't remember Your-Mom being Hadena level bad either. Keep in mind, Hadena subs were legitimately nonsense like the kind of shit that Babelfish would spit out in the early days of MTL, and they were proud of it. The bar to be as bad as they were is in hell, and just slipping in a meme or two or making a couple errors is not bad enough to get there.

>>289951509
No it's not, when subs are bad it's usually a conscious choice by western translators, AI will be better

>>289951989
>"Zetsubou Sensei's subs not getting half the jokes in the show."
>not waiting for [afk] subs.

Include me in the next mass tag.
Hi /v/ or /vg/

>>289966638
??? ...What the frock?

>>289965994
don't worry. you're just a larper that doesn't speak neither.

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Remember [Shinsen-subs] subbing Heroic Age and baking a " :3 " onto DNA-sama's face? (avi format after all)

>>289951129
lower case sucks

>>289967267
You will understand when buttplug hours end.

>>289951129
3 > 7 > 4 > 5 > 2 > 1 > 6

>>289962173
>xitter cancer posts mustn't use xitter cancer language!!!
come on now
it's ironic how 4chan has become a sort of hugbox where people expect to protected from all the painful normalfaggotry of the outside world

>>289951129
I miss the days of fansubbing: Candysubs, KrakenSubs, Aromi-raws, SolarHub, and so on. They were the best.

>>289951129
I miss Eclipse and Static-subs.

>>289951681
but they're the best and clearest translation

>>289969180
no they fucking aren't

>>289951129
>old subtitles from people who aren't fluent in Japanese were so much better than modern subtitles from people who aren't fluent in Japanese. I'm so it's of just getting Crunchyroll rips made by people who don't know Japanese

Bad things about fansubs:
- no margins
- awful fonts
- ugly colors
- op/ed translations

Good things about fansubs (sort of):
- styled signs
- translator notes

But the translator notes should have been given in a README file not on screen in the middle of the show.

Overall I don't miss fansubs. I prefer srt format subs to limit the damage that 'creative' (i.e. tasteless) people can do.

A problem with modern subs is that when two people are talking they put lines of dialog at the top of the screen instead of the older dvd style format where they used hyphens at the start of a line. Also people still add op/ed translations.

>>289969432
>op/ed karaoke bad!
What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

>>289969442
Music is for listening not reading. The op/ed looks nicer without subs on screen. If you're going to translate anything in the op/ed it should be the credits but that would be bad too.

>>289969456
You represent the exact type of cattle that Netflix and CR subs are for. Congratulations on your horrible and incorrect standards.

>>289969432
>>289969442
The standard for most OP/ED translations are pretty bad since the credits are never touched and the songs themselves usually have iffy translations.
>>289969503
CR translates all their OPs btw.

>>289969503
No from what I have downloaded CR subs are not for me either despite being better than fansubs. The closest to my preferences are DVD subs.

The modern tendency to put two people speaking at the same time on top/bottom of the screen and have different durations is awful.

The best method is either hyphens or two colours while keeping lines short and the same duration.

>>289969585
I genuinely cannot understand you or him. DVD subs are garbage. I do not miss that piss-poorly formatted yellow text that takes up half the screen and neither should you unless you're mixing up your nostalgia for your childhood with actual quality standards for typesetting, because DVD PGS subs had approximately zero.

>>289969645
The limitations of the format made them better. Also professionals understood their job better. Subtitles are for conveying information not artistic expression.

I'd take yellow subs in a readable font over blue border subtitles in a stylized serif font that is directly on the maximum bottom of the screen with no left/right margins any day.

Most dvd subs were white anyway. Yellow is a good secondary colour when two people are speaking at the same time, as an alternative to starting lines with dashes.

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This is the type of trash that fansubbers used to output. No margins. Coloured borders. Serif fonts.

And this is a relatively tame example I found quickly. The fonts could get so much worse than this.

>>289969442
They had excessive animation that obstructed the video, contained Japanese characters that were wasted on the supposed audience and they didn't even get the lyrics right.

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>>289951129

I feel a giga massquote coming on a video game related board

>>289969781
What hardsub pisses me off more than unnecessary TL comment.

>>289969432
all of your "bad things about fansubs" are things that are up to individual preference that can be changed with zero effort
all the "good things" are things that take an unreasonable amount of effort so official subs are never ever going to have them because it doesn't pay off
in other words fansubs are completely superior