The Chad is here.
What is the best in life anons?
finally a non-bait thread
What a cute kid.He'll grow up to do cute things to the Middle East.
>>290044246I've been waiting
>>290044195you've literally spammed 4 threads in an hour, retardno one likes your iraqslop
>>290044417No chance OP made those bait threads.
>Be German Knight armed with superior weapons and armor.>Gets killed by some short steppeboy with a pony.
>>290044750>This smol smiler grew up to be conqueror.
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>>290044764No wonder all the men in this manga wear hats to hide their fucked up hairucts
i hate mongols but i hate muslims toowho am i supposed to support in this show?
>>290044787>Hulagu making Baghdad and essentially the Islamic world his bitch.
>>290044252Anon that's adult Hulegu
>>290044803>Hulagu and his general Kitbuqa
>>290044815Hulagu's main army in the Mongol Invasion of the Middle East.
>>290044823And the last is his list of allies aiding his armies.
>>290044750It's very likely Muhammad will only appear in the epilogue of Jaadugar, likely during the Siege of Baghdad to make Sitara's life even more of a failure in hindsight.
>>290044851why must she suffer so
https://x.com/i/status/2086497198389551147
>Toregene and Fatima's policies were so shit that even the westernslop comic where she's a lesbian girlboss felt the need to clarify it for no reasonThe future's looking grim. Fatima's execution will be justified.
>>290044795No oneThis happened too long ago to matter
>>290045121I may as well dump it then.
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>>290045727I like this guy
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>>290044795SitaraShe's gonna fuck over EVERYONEThat's what witchcraft does
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>>290045832And that's the end.Both this and Jaadugar are written by women but the author's couldn't be more different in attitudes regarding their views on the same subject matter.
>>290045790guyuk must have been salty jelly
>>290044795just wait until the mongols become muslims kek
oh there's an actual thread upreposting hereI love that they actually speak Mongolian in the early episodes. I'm sure it's butchered but it's really cool nonetheless. Very few anime even historical ones put in that effort. I don't watch dubs but I like that the dub has their own Mongolian performance instead of using the Japanese ones too
>>290045860>>290045790>no proofs whatsoever but they were definitely lebian girlbosses That was so shit and way less nuanced than the manga. Reminds me of Lockley's baseless claim of Yasuke.
>>290044213Crush your enemiesSee them driven beforeAnd hear the lamentations of the waifus
>>290045790>Such as proceedOkay if you're gonna try and say anything about anything, LEARN FUCKING ENGLISH!
>>290046099To be fair it's a lot shorter. It looks like they constructed the story based off of textual evidence and theories so I think it's fine. I like the manga where there's nuance and you can feel something for every character and their perspective.
>>290046277>>290046281What a good dad
>go to sitara/fatima's wiki page>see her fateWTF
holy kek>>290046429no wonder he's such a boyfailure
>>290046519I can't imagine Ogedei so angry. I can't wait to see it.
history is such bullshit its just some random shit that someone wrote and everyone believes it. no one knows what really happened.
>>290046519Omg ogedei really hated him didn’t he, I hope to see ogedei lose it on his on son in the manga
Ranking princesses by how good they are in the bed-Toregene>tries to act uninterested, yet blushes like crazy>very sensitive body>full body orgasms (squirts if she drinks too much wine)>constantly begs for more>leglocks-Kyrgizstani>very asertive/demanding>agile>likes riding>teases you a lot>smells weird sometimes-Khulan(Merkit)>playful>ask a lot of questions>hugs you tightly during the act>occasionally bites you, apologizes afterwards-Sorghaghtani>probably likes cuddling more than sex>will caress you during missionary>playfully eeks when you take her for round 2-Sitara>acts uninterested, yet slightly curios>obviously inexperienced, but acts confident>tries her hardest not ot react (fails)>eventually fully gives in, tries to brush it of sarcastically afterwards-Khulan(Khatun)>tells you to do whatever you please>unbroked eye contant with a light smile during the whole act>"Are you finished Anon?">starts to make sounds if you are persist for long enough-Moge>oddly stiff>ploped down like a starfish>bored expression with eyes aimlessly darting around the jurt>cant seem to orgasm ever>swears she enjoys it (you dont believe her)>she pretty, though-Boraqchin>asks you to be gentle>geriatric (+ if you are into that I guess)
>>290046646Cringe and not Ben Franklin pilled
>>290046646It's great that you don't have to choose between them and you can have sex with all of them sequentially on the same night even
>>290046519I genuinely wonder how Toregene deal with this in the manga?She been dealing with a quiet and submissive Ogedei throughout her entire life with a cold shoulder and a pout for years.But a genuinely angry Ogedei threatening to execute his favorite son might be too much her.
>>290046633You can't really blame him when this was right after Khochu who was his favorite had died
>>290046700>Correction: Her favorite son
>>290046646thanks for sharing that with us
A simple map the showcases the invasion routes and expansion of the Mongol Empire.
>>290046700Toregene never actually cared for Guyuk, she ignored him since he was Ogedei's son and then pitied him cause she saw her younger self in him with how weak and powerless he was. Given how she'd use him for political gain based on Fatima's suggestion she'd probably just be panicking that she was gonna lose her only way to power
>>290046646This is the high-quality discussion I come here to see.
https://files.catbox.moe/lotcv2.mp4
>>290046742Missing the later campaigns in Poland/Hungary and Syria, the earlier invasions of Vietnam, and omits Burma/Pagan and Java entirely (I'll give the omission of the India campaigns a pass since that was after 1294).
>>290046519The manga recontextualizes this as Guyuk finally locking in and doing some 300IQ play so they can go home and deal with Toregene's bullshit. I am curious if manga Ogedei will get angry though.
this anime is too good I keep rewatching episodes because I can't wait for the next one. I never do that
>>290046717Taken straight from his drunken ramblings with Toluiidk where he got data for Sitara and Khulan though
>>290046696I think you'll start a civil war if you do that
>>290047083haven’t been this excited for a manga and anime since golden kamuy
>>290046646Very well written
I hope they release the soundtrack I really like it
>>290044213>>290046118THAT IS GOOD
>>290047592Eternally cucked shiiirraaaaaa
Imagine being a grown ass man having another grown man acting like your mother around you
>>290046398cute
>>290047702Considering the fact that Qadaq raised him when neither of his parents would it's pretty endearing
>>290047702Would being married to Sorghaghtani help him?
>>290047702>>290047702I like their foster-son relationship BUT since I’m a degenerate I also enjoy seeing guyuk venting his frustrations inside qadaq~
>>290047859All four of her children would immediately murder him.
POV: what Japan sees if there was no typhoon
>>290044213Seeing Mongol turning into an irrelevant country.
>>290044213CUNNY
>>290048241They were always just steppe monkeys. And all it took for those steppe monkeys to chimp out across two continents and destroy civilizations was their steppe monkeys wives having a series of woman moments.
I wish the religious SEA/western moralfags can leave this series alone omg, east Asia fandom is way more chill.
Historical magic research discussion and the manga in general with Tomato Soup n cohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zB2oTdRcVU
Would you do it for Toregene?
>people are now fully invested in a ruler no one gives a shit about and was mostly remembered as a sickly cocky dipshit because a manga drew him as a hysterical twinkGuyuk's the biggest winner here. The propaganda is working.
>>290045049A nice, slow'n easy song pick by them https://youtu.be/bP3PIn8ff74?is=-oT6SYeV5cp2lc0byet it also brings some sort of aura of familiarity to the booth when singing
>>290049630I mean he is still mostly viewed negatively in Jaadugar-verse. It’s the hysteria moe..I want to bully him bad.
Uhhh how come these guys are still poor (living in tents) vs the song dynasty?
>>290049630It's to early to tell how will Guyuks or Toregenes reign be portrayed, but I have suspicion that their respective advisors (Fatima for Toregene, Qadaq or Shira for Guyuk) will have a larger role in their rule due to them both being a neurotic balls of moe
>>290049999they're unironically really comfy tents
Tolui is such a chad. If only he wasn't retarded.
>lust provoking imageI really like the animation and overall look of the anime but at times the background having near flat colors takes me out of the experience
Rate my localization.
Is Guyuk going to kill Fatima in the manga?
>thought the series is about a delicious little girl>apparently there's a massive instant timeskip where becomes a washed up old hagwhat is the appeal that is keeping this popularthis is a serious post
>>290051501>hagShe's not even 25 yet
>>290051501You literally and genuinely don't need or are forced to know
for me it's khulan
Actually, thinking of it, where the fuck is Subutai? You'd think we'd have seen him already. Does he show up in the manga?
>>290051775genghis khan...
dumb
>>290045755>Ogedei is portrayed as a smart leader in manga>Useless drunktard in this comicWho is right here? According to the wiki page, he seems like a capable ruler. >this story, and many like it, can be found atif they're as reliable as this one, then they're fucking useless.
>>290051920>>290045755>war crimesMongol part and parcel, nothingburger>overextended the militaryoh no he conquered. Genghis would never want that!>squandered the Empire's wealthhaven't looked into this but he probably spent it on really cool shit like most historical leaders who "squandered wealth"
>Ögedei was well known for his alcoholism. Chagatai entrusted an official to watch his habit, but Ögedei managed to drink anyway. >It is commonly told that Ögedei did so by vowing to reduce the number of cups he drank a day then having cups twice the size created for his personal use.kek
>>290051788Should show up next episode
>>290045755>squandered the Empire's wealth>literally built the first permanent capital of the Mongol Empire and improved administrationffs, I expected Ludwig II level of squandering, but this is just a bullshit. Gotta check the site and see where they picked this shit from
>>290051920You should how they portrayed Aurelian, the man who restored the divided Roman Empire and defeated multiple barbarian invasions in just a few years, in their comic about Zenobia.
>>290045797>>290045823>retired>all the important positions still occupied by Toregene's followersPick one
I really like the ceremonial scenes like when they get an audience with Tolui in his yurt or during the Kurultai. They have such energy to them.
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Rapehorse soon
>>290053128Honestly I have never seen such lively camels and horses in an anime until Jaadugar, sasuga science saru
How did the Jurchen manage to BTFO Ming so easily?
>>290053194Also MOE sleeves!!!!
>>290053376What is it with evil beautiful men?
>>290044834Do you have any of these in a good resolution?
>>290044851I truly was hoping for an epilogue re-encounter and Sitara marrying him
>>290053577Thankfully, I found better quality images of these.
finally got around to watching. This one was pretty slow surprisingly compared to the flashback last time. At least Sitara being a duplicitous fuckup like usual was hilarious.
>>290053999Hulagu as a child.
>>290054020Hulagu as a student.
>>290054053Hulagu as a military leader.
>>290054076Hulagu as a nobleman and the siege of Baghdad.
>>290054102Hulagu's mobile yurt.
>>290053310>so easilyIt took them many long and bloody decades.Also the Ming state was shitting itself to death at that point. You shouldn't forget that the Beijing wasn't lost to the Manchus but to Li Zichen's newly formed Shun state which quickly managed to take over much of northern China before the Qing seized the opportunity and pounced on them. Even without the Manchus in the picture the Ming would have almost certainly fallen to the rebellion and gotten replaced by some new dynasty.
>>290054120Hulagu as a Khan.
>>290054146Hulagu and the Illkhanate vs Berke and the Golden Horde.
>>290054177The main armies of Illkhanate.
>>290054221And the allies of the Illkhanate. And that's the last image for the saga of Hulagu Khan.
One underrated thing about the Mongols is that it was them who resurrected the idea of Iran as a political entity. In fact the Hulegu's state was officially known not as the Ilkhanate but as (Land of) Iran, the first state to do so since the fall of the Sassanids to the Arab caliphate.It's pretty neat I think.
Just when I finished uploading Hulagu's images, a new chapter recently dropped.Here's Ch.28.
>>290054413So the Mongols are to blame for this terrorist state increasing my gas prices?
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>>290054496No, the Mongols are not to blame for the existence of the United States.
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Volume 5 bonus chapter
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>>290054632Look at this goofyass drunkard
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>>290054674I cut it short due to Volume 5 spoilers. I just wanted to show a properly shitfaced Odegei, since we dont get him in this state in manga
>>290045797>>290045832Favorite part of this comic is describing Fatima's execution as utterly inhumane while simultaneously portraying Toregene feeding Korguz rocks until he died as the coolest shit ever complete with a snappy one-liner.
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>>290054076That image is pure fantasy. >spoonhead catapultDoes not work in real life with fixed beam throwing machines. Even in the image you can see that the projectile path is nonsenical relative to the spoon. >wheels on a catapultAnother nonsensical bit. Wheels were not put on throwing machines because a) they were to heavy to move around so what's the point and b) having wheels would absorb much of the throwing action making the machine less effective. Throwing machines were assembled at the site of usage.>siege tower being pushed by peoplePure bunk. To move a siege tower first the ground of the desired path had to be leveled sufficienty. Then to actually move the tower in an efficient way a system of counteraction chains were set up attached to the tower going towards the desired end location and then looping through chain bales away and in the opposite direction. They were then attached to horses and cattle which would then pull away from the tower in order to move the toward forward. This allowed them to be protected from any sort of attack and moved the tower efficiently. Shown in pic.
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>>290054789>please order me to catch the person who spread these rumors Fuck Fatima. She about to get this girl killed, isn't she?
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>>290054242>all these ChristiansGod a Nestorian Ilkhanate would be such a funny alt-his scenario
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>>290054904>It's poisonedH-hot...
>>290054924Ogedei with a verbal nuke.
>>290054948Heh.
>>290054971I'm loving Ogedei's characteri,a
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>>290055023End of Chapter 28.
Reminder that the Mongols got bodied as soon as they tried to invade Europe.
>>290055150Yeah, they got into the absolute bunghole of Poland and Hungary and got rekt. Not Germany or Greece.
>>290054894No, but she'll wish she was dead
>>290054789Not very halal of you fatimachan
>everyone just knows it's Fatima starting shit againTruly the stormbringer
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>>290055547I'd wish someone would make an OC out of this that fits Jaadugar. Maybe Tolui or Chagatai?
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/148264260#big_12
>>290054999Want ogedei to spew venom at guyuk just like to his mama~
>>290054999What the fuck is the translator saying in her notes?
>>290054789uh oh
>>290050032That's why he is so lovable
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>>290044764btfo'd by baybar
>>290044195>is"Was".
>>290054915it would be so awesome...
I want to see mongols dying. that is all
Is Sitara chaotic good or chaotic evil?
>>290050032Besto Khan prince
>>290057610She's fucking retarded so I'm leaning on chaotic neutral
>>290058337More than retarded, she's a scholar with Eren Jeager's levels of revenge fixation
it was neat seeing Hulegu and Kublai introduced and I thought "oh shit that's Kublai Khan! I know that guy" but looking up Hulegu and learning about him too. Been learning a lot through this anime
my wife fatima did nothing wrong
>>290057610>>290058337Chaotic stupid perhaps?
>>290061826good stupid > chaotic stupid
>>290054999and then they kiss
>>290044213To culturally dominate your enemiesSee them purchase your trinketsAnd hear their children speaking your language
>>290063423>And hear their children speaking your languageI predict that's the one thing China can't accomplish. There's just too much that's established in English in this globalized world.
>>290063507In my lifetime I definitely agree, but I bet people though the same about french back when "lingua franca" was coined. A few centuries down the line on the other hand I think it'll depend on how badly the west shits the bed and how well China avoids doing the same, and I guess if some other currently nondescript country rises to prominence.
I still don't get how the mongols managed to fucking topple down so many civilizations. The Jin Dynasty should have rekt their shit, with their better war engines and tech.
>>290063721when you do only one thing you tend to get good at it
>>290054731I don't get the feeling like it was supposed to be seen as wholly cool political maneuvering. The comic is certainly sympathetic to her but parts of it don't read as if she was 100 percent good
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>>290060070That's not her name doe
Sitara is basically an "I'm a genius! Oh no!" character isn't she?
>>290065451I disagree, the very first page of the comic makes it clear that the (self-admitted tbf) brutal regime change she did is supposed to be viewed as cool. You are simply conflating coolness with morality.
>>290063721steppe nomads in general were basically the best at warfare throughout history until maybe the 1500s or 1600s and though the mongols were the best at it there are lots of other examples, like the Huns, the Hepthalites, the Rouran and turkic khaganates, the seljuks, timur/tamerlane, the avar khaganate, other nomads that invaded India throughout history, there were also lots of dynasties in China founded by steppe nomads prior to the MongolsEven the Jin dynasty they're invading was started by semi-nomadic Jurchens
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>>290065946No she's a witch and everything is going according to her plans!
Genghis won.
Post :3
>>290048036Spongebob_boiling_in_shit.jpg
>>290049612>tries to aurafarm>immediately called out in the very next pageWhat is wrong with these women
>>290066213!
>>290066095The reputation of Lelouch, the ability of Satania.
>>290055150>>290055379Batu and Kadan won famous victories at Liegnitz against a bunch of Poles, Germans, Czechs, and crusading orders and at Mohi against Hungarians and Germans and crusaders. They then proceeded to destroy most cities in Poland and Hungary. They did it again 20 years later, and only lost in the invasion after that. They also regularly intervened in German politics (and obviously everywhere east of there) by sending troops to rulers who allied with them like the Premyslids often tried doing.>GreeceWas invaded several times in the 13th century (Mongols won most times), more if you count the Mongols telling their Bulgarian vassals to start wars.
>>290066550Japan and Egypt were the only countries to have successfully fended off the Mongols
>>290066800Didn't they eventually reach a standstill in central Europe due to bad logistics and unfavourable terrain?I know a major reason their campaign into europe ended was the death of the Khan however
>>290066550>>290066800How many invasions into Poland did they attempt? They did decently against a divided eastern Europe but none of their invasions ever stuck and eventually once Poland was able to become more unified the Mongols started to see huge losses and little gains. Not even 50 years later Europeans were actually conquering lands held by the Mongols. >>290066849>I know a major reason their campaign into europe ended was the death of the Khan howeverThat isn't true though. According to Rashid al-Din Hamadani, who had access to the official Mongol chronicle, they were unawre of the Ogedai's death.You have to realize that the Mongols had the most success invading Europe the first time against fragmented Poland but then all subsequent attempts, with even larger forces, ended in abject failure for the Mongols.
>>290066984the Mongols killed a quarter of Hungary and after they left Hungary underwent huge military reforms and a castle building to deal with the next invasion
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>>290066800Japan's performed as well as Europeans in open battle against Mongols, with regular, more lightly armored units getting devastated, while more heavily armored units of noblemen like samurai and knights in europe performing well, but in too small numbers to make a meaningful difference in battle.But Japan was extremely lucky with KAMIKAZEEEE killing momentum of the first invasion, allowing to Japanese to prepare better for the second one. Europe did not have that luxury with open access to the steppe with uninterrupted Mongolian logistics. But the second time, they were more prepared too and did better, just like Japan.Truly the only army that beat Mongols soon as they met them were Mamluks. With turkic nomadic origins, they were being trained as warriors from the young age in the style of warfare similar to Mongols, quickly adapting to them when meeting them on the battlefield. It's like Mongols meeting Mongols but on the home turf. No wonder they lost.
>ruler of ilkhanate>known for his love of boys>name is GaykhatuYou can't tell me that whoever created reality isn't just taking the piss
>>290054523Didn't they have designs by this point in the manga
>>290055644>Gun-chan is on my side, right?!lol
>>290068627Smug
>>290052284>>literally built the first permanent capital of the Mongol Empire and improved administrationSoulless
>>290066090heh, they really remind Koito and Tsukishima
>>290044213They now live in poverty and wealthy Chinese men buy pretty steppe women for themselves...
>>290049999A good yurt on the open steppe is probably way more sanitary than a palace, to be desu.Hard to get dysentery when you're constantly on the move and getting new fresh water sources.
>>290066984The first invasion of Europe was basically a scouting trip and it was practically Armageddon for Europe. The second invasion was by the rump Golden Horde that didn't even have the resources to conquer Europe if they wanted to. Half the issue is that the Volhynian Chronicle is the main European source for this and it is basically toilet paper tier as far as trustworthiness goes.
>>290044577cavalry > infantry no way
>>290044577>Should we chase after the horse archers and fight on their own terms? >Obviously.
>>290046646porn website comment tier post
>>290069674>The first invasion of Europe was basically a scouting trip and it was practically Armageddon for Europe.The first part is just wrong and the second part is an embellishment.>The second invasion was by the rump Golden Horde that didn't even have the resources to conquer Europe if they wanted to.No, it was an especially powerful Mongol invasion force but their primary target was Galicia and Poland was only attacked in order to weaken potential allies who would help Galicia. >Half the issue is that the Volhynian Chronicle is the main European source for thisThe primary account we have is from Rashid al-Din Hamadani who wrote the history under supervision of the Mongols and directly from their own chronicle.The Mongols were limited to just raiding the borders of central Europe for various strategic and political reasons. Not only did they have their hands full with central Asia but also the Europeans put up fierce resistance which started with costly Mongol victories and eventually evolved into the Mongols outright losing territory despite sending larger and larger forces. This is despite the fact that Europe was weakened from Moorish invasions, forces split from crusades and a warfare between the HRE and Papal forces.
>>290069832Based and Fire Emblempilled
>>290070003>Laughs in Bohemian
>>290068683>muslim sources are 4-10 times higher casualties
>>290054789What a cunt
>>290054999>>290054948>>290054924God, imagine the sex
>>290044213If the Mongols just wiped out their enemies instead of taking the women as wives they probably wouldn't be having this problem right now.
>>290068627That face is fucking infuriating, I don't even blame Sitara for chimping out like she did
This is a fujo show isn't it
>>290070416feels like all I've been watching lately is fujo shows
>>290070396>resting smug face>intelligent and wise>blissfully unaware of the pain caused by the empireI understand Sitara's feelings but I also just can't hate her
>>290070383They wouldn't have gotten very far in conquest. A lot of different kingdoms and regions allied themselves with Mongols just to take revenge on common enemies. Like Galica linking up with the Khan just so they could dab on Lithuania. Pop history seems to pain the Mongol conquests as a bunch of horse archers 1v1 conquering Eurasia but in reality it was a complex sociopolitical climate where Mongols built a huge mixed army land empire by taking in tons of vassal states of oppotunistic factions in a very politically fragmented Eurasia.
güyükchan~~~
>>290070447She's so modest too!
>>290070416It has all the flavors anonchan~
>>290070462>they'll never grow old together sad
>>290070659I see BOOBA
>>290070003The first invasion being basically a scouting run is not embellishing. Its a pretty standard analysis of it. Mongols rarely did all their work in one go, but would send out sweeping survey armies to see what was going on and to get some booty to keep the army going. I don't think the characterization of the second invasion as an extremely powerful force is reasonable. The only reason to think that is if you follow the Volhynian Chronicle. The Compendium of Compendiums does not seem to mention the second invasion at all in any substantial way from what I can tell. Talabuga is mentioned only incidentally and the section addressing the Golden Horde's history focuses on the fall of Nogai to civil war and then ends abruptly with it. What are you referencing regarding the invasion and it being a huge loss exactly? I could obviously be missing something, I'm using Thackston's translation of Volume 1 as my source. The Mongols didn't wreck Europe because by the time they reached that far, the situation at home would soon start breaking down. Subatai's invasion was just a looksie to see what lay before them. Talabuga's invasion later was the product of a rump state that couldn't have held vast territories even if it smoked the Hungarians a second time and Talabuga himself was a mediocre general.
Another subtle factor that makes Sitara very unsympathetic is that she has no positive interactions with anyone except Toregene and even than that's because they are both revengetards. She's distanced from the other Khwarezian women who eventually accepted their situation and she hates and only cares for Shira as a pawn despite everything he did for her.Even the likes of Eren and pre-timeskip Thorfinn has some care and insight beyond their fixation for revenge.I'm not going to be surprised if she remains unwed even at the very end of the manga.
>*rolls away from you*How do you respond without sounding like a seething retard?
>>290071265Who cares about being married when you can be a witch and fuck shit up. Nice women don't make history
>>290071396>Nice women don't make history
>>290069832Heavy infantry beats cavalry thoughever
>>290071426Perpetual cluelessnessPerpetual happiness
>>290071426Taking Sitara's book wasn't very nice!
Heavy infantry beats cav-
>>290071449>>290071427mb missed your (You)
>>290071449wait I'm retarded it's carrhae not cannae. wrong image. fuck. why did they have to lose so hard in two locations that sound so similar
>>290071444She asked her husband to find her a specific book. Not kill someone and take their book.
>>290071485>bring me back something from your spoils of waryeah of course he would go peacefully shopping in the city he's razing to the ground. looting is never violent after all
Welcome home, honey! What would you like first? A bath, dinner, or me :3?
>>290063721Horse archers was the meta for many many years
>>290063721They did it for fun, and no one could stand against that power
>>290071589Is the censoring part of the drawing itself or is there uncensored version?
>the worst she can say is "no"
>>290071938I can't wait for them to meet again
>>290071916I only know of this drawing, I don't know if there's another version. I think the censor adds to it tho
>>290071926I wonder if Toregene would've mellowed out more if she had a daughter instead
>>290071984Shira passed the first test, he's one step closer to marry the best girl
rare Temujin fanart
>>290072195forgor the image
>>290072258>>290072212Did Tomato Soup decide to make Genghis a redhead?
>>290063721People are gonna say this about drone warfare nations. There are strategies that completely transform combat, become successful and stay relevant for a long time.Also, funny how Afghans did the modern equivalent to this but with Toyotas and RPGs, they managed to scare off the Brits, the Soviets and the Americans.
>>290073148This but Sitara is excitedly splashing the poisoned soup at his face.
I am hyped for Tomato Soup's manga about Georgia, hopefully it gets a fan translation soon. From what I could gather, it also has mongols.
>>290063721>New style of warfare utterly destroying oldHappens more often than you thinkIt literally just now happened in Iran
>>290044577Actually the heavy knights were the ones to deal the best with them, doesn't negate that the battles like Mohi and Legnica were brutal defeats for army in general.But the knightly orders offered the most resistance and suffered the least casualties.
>>290071459>>290071449>CRASSUS, THIS PLAN FUCKING SUCKS CRASSUS>THEY AREN'T RUNNING OUT OF ARROWS AND THEY'RE CHARGING US
>>290073773>From what I could gather, it also has mongols.Again? Mangaka literally skipped the golden age of Georgia. I wouldn't be surprised if manga is not about Georgia, but mongols in Georgia.
>>290073773I hope it's Timmy.
>>290074479>>290074581>Treacherous Sumbat (奸臣スムバト) (Serialized from August 2023)>Set in the 13th century Mongol Empire's invasion of the Georgia Kingdom.
>>290073773The Mongols vs the Georgians is basically what would have happened to Poland and Hungary if everything went to plan. One early scouting invasion, then an invasion from another direction to discombobulate, then a final thrust that wrecks everything. Georgia had some of the world's most veteran knights at the time, but it didn't help.
>>290074581>TimmyIs there a bigger 'stupid evil' person in history?
>>290070749>The first invasion being basically a scouting run is not embellishing.It was not and I did not say that part was an embellishment. Your inability to read a simple, clear sentence is disturbing. I literally said "first part" and "second part" in reference to the two parts of your statement and you still couldn't read it properly. Therefore I will dismiss you after this post because you are obviously functionally illiterate.>I don't think the characterization of the second invasion as an extremely powerful force is reasonable.It was two to three times larger than the first and the Mongol force was more unified because their internal conflicts had lessened. This is standard history.>What are you referencing regarding the invasion and it being a huge loss exactly?I never said that. Again, you are incapable of reading. Very worrying.>Subatai's invasion was just a looksie to see what lay before themSubutai's forces were not scouting. They fully committed to trying to capture key locations in Polands, Hungary, etc and were contemplating breaching the Holy Roman Empire but their force had taken much heavier casualties than expected despite several key victories and the seiges were beginning to draw out far longer than he anticipated.>The Mongols didn't wreck Europe because by the time they reached that far, the situation at home would soon start breaking down.Subutai and his forces were unaware of the situation back home when they began to withdraw. That's straight from Rashid al-Din Hamadani who wrote his texts from the official Mongol chronicle and under the supervision of the Mongols themselves. >Talabuga's invasion later was the product of a rump state that couldn't have held vast territoriesTalabuga's invasion was the largest of all Mongol invasions of Europe and the Golden Horde was still flourishing at the time so that characterization is bullshit. Running out of room so ending it here.
>>290074648>read wiki summary>it's about a guy who really really really really wanted to rebel against the mongols but didn't join in the two times it happened>eventually gets appointed king by the mongols and then dies a natural deathUh
>>290074787It is entirely standard in Mongol studies that the first invasion of Europe was a scouting trip, because this is literally what the Mongols did everywhere they went. They'd do a quick run through of everything to learn the terrain, the types of people that lived there, its economic utility, etc., and then they'd leave and regroup. Compare the first invasion of Poland and Hungary to the first invasion of Georgia and it is one-to-one, almost. Mongols come in on a scouting run, do recon and plunder to keep the ball rolling, and then leave afterwards because the point was never to conquer land. Then later come back with later attacks designed to first break, and then permanently annex the territory. The issue with the Great Khan's death is that steps 2 and 3 never came to fruition. No one thinks the Mongols intended to conquer all that land because even by your own admission, they'd have no reason to leave. Subatai objectively destroyed every army he came across. The only reason he'd have to leave is that he wasn't ever intending to permanently conquer the land he was in at the time. The casualties taken were not substantially unique compared to what the Mongols experienced elsewhere doing the exact same things. Heavy cavalry was something the Mongols were not inexperienced at beating, despite the fanfare around knights. What is your source for the size of the second invasion? Remember, that the Compendium of Chronicles doesn't mention this invasion in any substantial way. If you are just going to fall back to referencing the Volhynian Chronicle or something similar, then why even bother? The Golden Horde was a rump state that spent most of its time in some kind of civil war or conflict with the other Mongol hordes. No one thinks that it was at all on the level of the OG Mongol Empire that had a genius like Subatai at the tip of the spear.
>>290075071Its good psychological drama. Imagine hating some group with all your heart, but also being elevated in power by them because you're a coward. Imagine looking at a feast in front of you and knowing you only can have it because you're a chickenshit toady for the Mongols and that you couldn't even die honorably for what you believed in.
>>290074648Translation when??
>>290075071>>290075109After reading these I want fanart of him with Sitara holding hands
>>290075071A happier end than our sitara
>>290075071>it's about a guy who really really really really wanted to rebel against the mongols but didn't join in the two times it happened>eventually gets appointed king by the mongols and then dies a natural deathThis is just that yandere (or was it a tsundere) GF 4koma, where she forces herself on the guy, makes him pay for the kids, etc. to ruin his life and every step of the way he's just "Amazing, just like I wanted!" to her endless disbelief.The guy is Mongols, ofc.
>>290075071Tomato Soup really loves the losers of the Mongol Empire.Here's another loser that Tomato could write for her next manga: The time the Latin Empire got rekted by the Mongols and forced to be a vassal.
>>290075917And here's the main character:>Became King when the Latin Empire only remaining territory was the city of Constantinople.>Built up his army by selling everything like his crown or holy relics and making loans, only for the Mongol Empire to invade, destroy his army and capture him.>Forced to be a vassal of Mongolia and traveling to Karakorum and basically flat broke and no more troops for his kingdom.>Spent most of his reign traveling over Europe and begging to the King of France and Venice ti give him money and troops.>The Nicean Empire reclaimed Constantinople when the Latin Empire's armies and fleet were away, forcing him to flee to Italy and die in the exile as the Eastern Roman Empire was revived..
>>290073148>>290073668I know it has already been spoiled here, but Sitara poisoning Shira directly would be way hotter. But again, Shira would not probably not survive that if that was the case.
Born to cuddle Forced to rule
>>290070458Really, this is the case with any nearly empire, Roman, Mongol, Spanish, Nazi, Soviet, American...
checking out the manga but this translation seems super off lol. In the anime it's like a ceremonial humble statement of "my descendants might become lazy scum and though we are powerful we cannot let ourselves become decadent and must keep proving our right to rule" but this translation here just reads "damn we're fucking awesome and invincible"
>>290076714Mongols fear this
>>290076458Hopefully he gets to manhandle her for a bit before they torture her
wtf I love Georgian Queens now. Hopefully the Smbat manga gets an anime in like a decade too.
>>290075917If she weren’t so focused on the Mongols she would pull of a kino manga about the conquered tribes in America, basically perfect “downfall and suffering” angsty setting. There are like dozens of viceroys and conquistadors with the personality of Tolui and Ogedei (at least this portrayal of them), also a cute Aztec/Inca version of Fatima.
>>290076714Pure unfettered seething rage.
I get that his death was really sad and impactful for Guyuk but it really falls flat when he was only around for like 5 chapters
>>290071265>>290071396All of you arent ready for the great moe transfer from Mongol women to Mongol menin the upcoming volumes. Largely spearheaded by Fatima, of course
>>290078921Please elaborate what you've just said.
>>290079511Anon is extremely gay. So gay, that anon would rather look at 100 men than several cute ladies
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, ALSO WASN'T GENGHIS LIKE 30-40 Years her senior. >Khulan entered Mongol history when her father, the Merkit leader Dayir Usan, surrendered to Temüjin in the winter of 1203–04 and gave her to him. But, at least according to the Secret History of the Mongols, Khulan and her father were detained by Naya'a, one of Temüjin's officers, who was apparently trying to protect them from Mongol soldiers who were nearby. After they arrived three days later than expected, Temüjin suspected that Naya'a was motivated by his carnal feelings towards Khulan to help her and her father. While Temüjin was interrogating Naya'a, Khulan spoke up in his defense and invited Temüjin to have sex with her and inspect her virginity personally, which pleased him
Fatima pretending to be lost was cute, that is all
>>290080985Do you really think Genghis Khan cared about consent?
>>290076714I’m glad people liked this stare
>>290080985h-hot
>>290080985>Khulan spoke up in his defense and invited Temüjin to have sex with her and inspect her virginity personally, which pleased himOVA when?
>>290080985That’s just Age gap moe
>>290066800They also didnt manage to conquer Vietnam and got backstabbed in Indonesia.
>>290081913Based Vietnam defeating everyone
>>290080985>What! He killed 10 percent of the worlds population but GRAPE! THAT'S ICKY AND GROSS!Fuck off Frietard.
7 episodes and not a single mongol shit deleted.Shut Hell adaptation when?
>>290081959In their fairytales, maybe.There is actually a comic about the period that used to be popular a while ago, though it's Vietnamese so fully /co/ territory. Which, you know, tells you everything you need to know about the "defeats everybody" narratives if you think about it, monsieur Anon.Thing even won some comic awards (remember, all comics are manga and all cartoons are anime... if you're a JP company) competition in Japan but it never got a full translation any foreign language, IIRC.>https://www.saigoneer.com/saigon-music-art/6349-vietnamese-comic-book-takes-prize-at-international-manga-awards
>>290044195/a/ tricked me into watching this show, and it's genuinely good. WTF
>>290083054Obviously this means /a/ is the nicest board and you should trust anything an /a/non tells you.
>>290078921I believe in equality so yes this is very exciting for me
Sitara's huge ass
>>290084669I'm more thinking about her huge hulk hands. Girl could crack a coconut with just grip strength.
>>290083054Love when that happens
>>290065946I love that moment you can see her facial expression when she turns
>>290052284>literally built the first permanent capital of the Mongol Empire and improved administrationThis is heretical to the nomchad lifestyle
>>290045782>before becoming a servant, she'd run local brothels Why didn't we get Sitara's madam arc in the anime?
>>290045790>more concerned with her sexuality than anything elseShe displayed a woman's way, such a proceed from deficiency of intellect and excess of sensuality.
>>290086583>she was hotI knew it
>>290045860Absolute slop propaganda.
>>290046099>Reminds me of Lockley's baseless claim of Yasuke.It's crazy how long he was able to get away with it. He was literally writing the whole wikipedia page before he got exposed.
>>290046742>excludes the Mongols getting LMAOed by the Delhi Sultanate I wonder why.
>>290080985I now completely distrust the birth year for Khulan on wikipedia of 1164. There's absolutely no way she was a 40-year-old virgin woman. Jaadugar's portrayal of her as a young girl makes more sense for this account.
>>290053310>How did the Jurchen manage to BTFO Ming so easily?>so easilyAnon, I....
Why does the ED Slaps so hard?
>>290054971Imagine the hatesex
>>290066800The Delhi Sultanate is requesting your location
>>290088155NEMURENAI MAMA DE KOKO NI OIDE YOmakes me so excited
>>290071265>and only cares for Shira as a pawn despite everything he did for her.He's probably the reason her mansion was burned down in the first place
Shira also didn't help Sitara from the goodness of his heart. It was to help him move up in the world (and not die on the front lines)
>>290088778It's because he didn't realize his feelings for her yet
>>290088853Qadaq is such an enabler
>>290088742>>290088778When Sitara stupidly screams at Tolui that he's a thief, Shira tactfully translated to Tolui that she told him to return the book he stole.If he had fully translated what she actually said to him, Tolui would have done worse than simply cut her arm off.Not to mention he gave her the motivation to live when she tried to kill herself and even reccomended her to Sorghagtani. She would have been killed or died as a lowly slave of the Mongols without his help.
>>290089394"Return the book you stole" and "thief" are the same thing. Tolui could tell she was antagonizing him thus the harsh retaliation. Shira is a good translator. Maybe he helped soften her words a little bit, and I'm sure he didn't like seeing Fatimama killed.He recommended her to Sorghaghtani because he wanted credit for getting someone to explain the book to her. He wanted their relationship to be one where they help each other out. It's not a bad thing, especially because he's in survival mode. But I can see why Sitara never had special feelings for him.Even if Shira didn't want to, he was still complicate in the worst day of her life. He doesn't seem like a bad guy, but it is kinda scary how easy it is for him to just accept things as they are and get the most out of life.
>>290089579>See his country, one of the most powerful Islamic empires at the time, get easily flattened by a scary nomadic empire in just two years.>Nearly avoided being made arrowfodder by the Mongols by desperately learning Mongolian, becoming an interpretor of Tolui.>Likely saw many of his neighboring cities being massacred and burned by the Mongols as he accompanies Tolui.I can see why he just wants to live after barely surviving that shit. The other Khwarezmians also accepted and moved on with their new lives.
Seethara
>>290089579>>290089945>He doesn't seem like a bad guy, but it is kinda scary how easy it is for him to just accept things as they are and get the most out of life.Mangaka has already massively developed his character, so a chapter or a half dedicated to his backstory would be nice. Like he is the most "self-made" character and the only one that just straight up refused his fate without anyone needing to convince him. Atleast that how he looks like now, but maybe there's some trauma hidden behind him *wink* his right eye *wink*[/spolier] ,which would make sense since it's the mongol invasion we are talking about.
>>290090267He's very intelligent and resilient so I admire him for that. I don't even know how people learn languages like that without going to school. I could never.I read a theory that where he's from they use eyeliner, so he's half keeping his culture and half assimilating to the Mongols, and it's a visual representation of his ability to translate between worlds.I'd love to see more development for him. And them getting together but I know that's not gonna happen
soon
>>290089394>When Sitara stupidly screams at Tolui that he's a thief, Shira tactfully translated to Tolui that she told him to return the book he stole.No, stupid. How do you think the monguls even found out they had the book.
>>290090344>And them getting together but I know that's not gonna happenManga doesn't have to be historically accurate and Sitara != Fatima, so she and Shira will go to the Tahiti in the end. Have some faith, son.Besides, mangaka is already changing a lot of characters (especially their motivations), so these two can still get together and die horrible deaths afterwards. . I wouldn't be surprised if this Shira reports on Sitara thinking he'll help her escape from "bad" Toregene's influence, never expecting such outcome.
>>290066339Aura farming was one of two jobs expected of Mongol princesses, yet she fails at it constantly... which is cute af.Anyway, apparently Arghun is the one of the few or maybe only official that survived Guyuks purges of Toregenes officials. I like to think that this scene is a foreshadowing of Arghuns lack of allegiance and his pragmatism, which will allow him to dump Toregene when the time comes
>>290066339Not her fault Arghun is autistic.
>>290091614> keeps winning> Ogedei loves her more than his other wives for this shit> No one thinks of her as threat and she's free to move and say whatever she wants without much explainingAre you sure she's failing?
>>290091475Yeah, Shira is already a quite non-historic character in this manga and it's quite obvious mangaka is having fun developing him before he get written to history books as we know him (if it even happens in manga that way, as you said)>that picThose 2 getting locked up in those Mongolian boxes isn't that far fetched of a scenario, since they are both little evil schemers that are definitely not made for each other.Huff...huff... there must be a way out, it's just a wooden box after all... hey why are you covering your face all of a sudden! You are the man here! That means you have more strength - therefore more responsibility to get us out of here. *Feels something hard poking her leg* Is that... Shira you are disgusting! I just *sigh*... let's just figure something out, ok? (Next morning) *yawn* These wooden picks should do... We will try them when it gets dark so not to alert the guards. *Sitara exhaustedly plops down on equally exhausted Shira*...*but she notices something's soft today* Hey Shira... now when you can see me in the morning sun *she presses down on his crotch while grabbing his surprised face*... So now you think I'm ugly, huh? *there's something hard poking her knee again*...*smirk* I see, you are in luck... for now (Shiras full legal name)
>>290091759No, she fails so hard it eventually became a "good thing". She basically traded aura farming for moe farming
>>290092206>she fails so hardYeah, because she decided to give up her power for guyuk-chan and that little rat betrayed her.
>>290092335>"Retire">All of her followers are still in power.Guyuk did the right thing to centralize his authority.See the case of the Khwarezmian Empire where Shah Muhammad II had to literally compete with his mother for influence in his very own empire.
>>290092466>Guyuk did the right thing to centralize his authority.Guyuk was a failure himself who got rekt in 2 years, no wonder Ogedei hated him
>>290092335>she decided to give up her power for guyuk-chanDid that really happen? Her power being was by definition temporary, and her being in the power for so long was the result of succession dispute between princes. So its not like she gave up her power for the love of Guyuk. And when Guyuk finally became khan, her refusal to give up all the Imperial power privileges to Guyuk obviously created tension between the two. Not to say Guyuk was right about everything, but maybe she should have expected something like this would happen.
>>290045790The only time she appealed to nuance was when questioning their sexuality lmao. All the while painting Odegei as a drunk failure that just stumbled into power, when he was in fact pretty capable ruler.
guyuk-chan kawaii...
>>290045121She would rather kill herself than to let her subordinated be executed, imagine the sheer amount of lesbian sex they had
Why was past Islam so KINO? Scholarly focus.
>>290093615I hope this pathetic moe man will be shown in the anime, I wonder who will be guyukchan~ seiyuu.
>>290094065Ogata Megumi?
>>290093844https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-GhazaliThis one guy psyopped half the Muslim world into being retarded.
>>290094335This has been debunked.
>>290094468Who made them retarded if not him?
>>290094582https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Abd_al-Wahhab
>>290094085Hmmm can’t really see it to be honest, having a deep voice (like batu) think will suit guyukchan better since he goes through character development in the manga. Also he is like mid 20s when we see him first time.
>>290094736Yeah I see that. But his dad's voice isn't very deep. It's pretty gentle, and Guyuk's voice could also be like that. Maybe they'll get an unknown seiyuu for him. It's nice when they give new people a chance. Do you have anyone in mind?
Ogedai seems like a pretty smart guy, why is history so bad on him. You do need to consolidate and establish institutions if you want to enact grand policies.
>>290094065>I wonder who will be guyukchan~ seiyuu.Katsuyuki Konishi.
the creature
>>290094979la creatura de tus
>>290094883This is why you need to write things down and tell your side of the story so people can argue about different perspective centuries later
Ending song is good but why is the MV so demonic?!?!https://youtu.be/4aIoMuNC7Bc?is=LiliVXRl0CJURgt4
kek
>>290094883Man drank like a fish. He drank too much for even the mongols. If the anime was accurate he'd be like that dude from Trailer Park Boys and he'd always have a glass of fermented milk in his hand.
>>290094823Kobayashi who voices Sugimoto from GK was abit unknown when they first started. Perhaps an unknown seiyuu would also be great for guyukchan. Even if his father has a gentle voice, I think he will take more from his mother who has a deep somber voice in the anime. (very hot might I add)
>>290094883>ruler from a rival family is looked down upon in written historyYou know why
>>290094924Oh yes I can see him voicing guyukchan anxious freakouts~
This is just standard fucking palace intrigue drama BUT ANIME.Why the fuck are you guys like this, only girls watch this genre.
>>290095133And a biiig beer belly
>>290095802yes but it's mongols and not something feminine like the chinese
>>290096065But there a bunch of asian countries that do palace intrigue drama.
>>290096065MOEmongols, does Chinese palace intrigue have that huh!?
>>290096176maybe if u count maomao anime as moe..
>>290095802they don't have palaces THO
>>290071905The desire for revenge is stored in the ass
>Mongols considered women with round faces to be especially beautiful. >Chagatai has the roundest face of all 4 brothersChagatai was the most feminine confirmed
surprised there's this much fanart (unless this is official). reminds me of elusive samurai which also has a lot
Imagine if Shira returned Toregenes bezoar stone like this
abstract fatima-okusama
Wait, I don’t get it would she have been adopted or married into the islamic scholar family?
>>290099190Having a child with the guy would have turned her de-facto free. Kids of a free man and a slave woman are free and their mother cannot be sold, gets automatic manumission if he dies before her.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_al-walad>B-but Iran is Shia...They weren't back then.
>>290054971>the first thing Toregene imagines is that her husbandfather knows her tastes and gives her the most beautiful prisoner from Persia>it's mad and dirty loli SitaraThere are no heterosexual explanations for this.
forbidden guyuqada
>>290100557time for his daily creampies from guyuksama!!! since he can’t go rough on his wife~
>>290100490>dude is into old menLike mother, like son
>>290100723It's all fun'n games until Qadaq shows him how it's done
>>290101267Especially when guyukchan is such a sloppy kisser and needs to practice with his servant…for his future khan duties…
I need :3 in my life
>>290102813We know, Tolui
>>290101267Nah, I believe in Ogedei's genes, Guyuk will top
>>290102850I love :3!
>>290102923Of course you do :з
>>290102988<3!!
>>290102988>Sörghaghtani "Becky"
> wholesome couples either die or end up miserably > ships with degeneracy in relationship are growing strongerwhat mangaka meant by this
>>290102921And highly aggressive too, like his historical counterpart, qadaq has no choice but to obey his master.
>>290102988Why do they make her this smart person, this bitch was illiterate kek.
>>290103420How dare you. :3 is wise and has all street smarts she needs. She's also really cute and modest.
>>290103400good, can't wait for their chapter 125
>>290103420>this bitch was illiterateAnd you say this based on....?
>>290103373Well a tomatosoup twt describing chinqai as big and qadaq as small is all you need to know.
>Actually, Tolui had a second wife who was latter wed to his sonhuh, I don't remember Tolui having 2nd wife in the manga. Was it really too much even for the author lol.
>>290104033All of the main Mongol men should have huge harems.
which mongol successor state is your favorite?for me, it's the ilkhanate.
Imagine the smell of these mongols
>>290107846I have to read a manga about them to have an opinion. Is that what Iran used to be called? I'll bet it was nice. What do you like about it?
>>290046630>and everyone believes itThat's not how it works>no one knows what really happenedYeah but we can look at what possibilities were most likely given the information we have.
>>290104033Toregene and her daughterwife
>>290109616Genghis Khan's daughterwife*
>>290046391History is full of moments of sadistic men doing stuff like that (and sometimes sadistic women; just look at what Wu Zetian did to the young empress and a rival consort during her rise to power). It makes me believe that a lot of people are just kept sedated by modernity, and if that breaks, they'll quickly start doing some sick shit.
