>Character says "onii-chan" in the original audio>It's translated with the name of the character they're referring to in the subsFew things make me more livid than that. So specific, but it triggers my autism like you won't believe.
>>290070380If you know Japanese why are you watching with subs
>>290070380>character says obvious English loan word in Japanese>translated sentense completely ignores it
>>290070380Translators and localisers should get the rope for that
>character says "hahaue" >subs say "mother dearest"Soul
>>290070503Kek, based.
>>290070380You already made this thread. Move on.
>>290070592Too late, my rage won't be quelled just like that
>>290070380I saw a clip of the first episode of Ao no Hako and Chinatsu said "inomata-kun" but the subs said "taiki" even though that was like the first time they spoke with each other and they barely even knew each other.Not to even mention that it's a romance anime where it's a plot point in their relationship when the topic of calling each other by their first names rolls around I'm so fucking happy i don't have to watch anime with fucking translation/localization bullshit
>>290070380>Onii-chan is translated as some arteries clogging burger grease 911 slang word like big broski or big brudder and other yee-haw hamburger hamburger bullshitSame to any attempts at "americanizing" the honorifics with the most tumblrcoded reddit tier shit imaginable. I have dropped entire shows because of this and will continue to do so
>>290070380everyone that changes or removes honorifics should be banned from nyaa and blacklisted from translating
>>290071004>big broski or big brudderI feel blessed I never had to find anything like that in any show I watched.
>>290071004>I have dropped entire shows because of thisyou drop shows because you choose to watch them with crunchyroll subs?
>>290070380Do you also seethe when the character says their name instead of first person pronouns
Crunchyroll translations in general are the epitome of souless.
>>290071004>>290071289The joke is such localization was mostly done by fansubers especially the cartel fansub like herkz and his commie.They try to appeal the localizator company so hard in hope they get invited to their secret club and can go legit translating anime, so they tryhard harder than any localizator company itself with their own release.
>>290070380What should they translate it as? Brother? Feels too formal
>>290070380>autismoperative wordtake your pills, Alice
>>290071669OBVIOUSLY you just leave it as onii-chan, since the incredible nuance in the Japanese is untranslatable.
>>290070592And I will made it again thousandfold
>>290071669Still better than saying the name of the character
>>290070466Depending on the loan word the Japanese use has, semantically, already drifted far enough from the English meaning and usage.
>>290070380Bro...
>>290071774This but unironically.
>>290070380"Big bro" said out loud hurts me just as much, if not more.Not comparing to try to deduce a best option, just saying.
>>290070813>the official subs for nu-Ranma localizes "Kuno" to Tatewaki">the official dub keeps it as " KunoI don't get it.
>>290072023I get it, we all have our different brands of autism.
Say onii-chan out loud in English and you'd cringe yourself to hell. It's not even said in actual Japanese much
>>290072401Real life is real life and anime is anime, it’s not comparable.
>>290072401Neither is reality marble
>>290072164The Ranma subs are so localized the dubtitles are unironically a closer translation of the nip audio.
>>290071669Why is it that people constantly learn regional/technical jargon or foreign words to watch and enjoy western media, yet localizers think learning honorifics is insurmountable?
>>290071004You'd rather drop shows because of localization issues instead of just learning japanese?
>>290071004That Nikocado pic is still haunting today
>>290072676>localizers think learning honorifics is insurmountable?It's only localizes translating from Japanese that do this. English subtitles for French movies don't localize monsieur to "mister".
>>290070380>Character says "Merry Christmas" in the original audio>It's translated as "Happy Holidays"
>>290072790That one is puzzling because it's literally an English phrase and doesn't needs translation.
>Character says lolicon in the original audio>It translates as pedophileFew things make me more livid than that.
I learned just to ignore all that shit, do you guys choose to be angry on purpose?
>>290071004>tumblrcodedIronic.
>>290073128Some people just hate Christmas.
>>290073356That's correct though
>>290073356They are right, you know
>>290072748>
>>290073356>girl: I like yuri>girl: I'm a lesbian
>>290073356Okay, that one is a bit funny.
>>290071669>What should they translate it as? Brother?yes, but the retards here think it needs to be untranslated because they're low IQ
>>290073745You are a retard
>>290073745Nanami(i) likes strawberries do you think nanami(i) would like strawberrymilk?
>>290070380Then stop watching it with subs>>290070425FPBP
>>290074666Faggot
>>290073612>Some (((tribe))) just hate ChristmasFixed that for you.
>>290075294I don't understand
>>290075308You'll get it with time, don't worry.
>>290075447But we don't have time
>>290074666Retard
>screen shows romaji name plate with surname then first name>subs uses localized name and changes to first name then surname
>>290070380>character is always referred to as "onii-chan", "senpai", "shisho", etc.>his name is never revealed>official subs make up some nickname for him so that they don't have to leave those yucky JP terms as is>dub says fuck it and leaves those words as is >official guidebook finally reveals his name>both versions switch to calling him that even though no character is supposed to know his actual nameI made it all up btw but the fact that I can easily see them pulling something like this should be worrying.
>>290076702>gets mad at the scenario you made up in your headbrownoid third worlder moment
>>290074666typical post with satan digits
>>290070380That is pretty bad, but I hate even more when a character is referred with "-chan" in the original and the subs translate it as "my dear" or "my beloved". Now that is truly rage inducing.
>>290073356You're upset because on some level you know they're right.
>>290077674Only if you are a retard and can't differentiate fiction from reality. Go back to redd*t.
>>290075886Okay, it's the juices.
>senseiMaster or Mr./Ms./Mrs., depending on if they're a school teacher or a martial arts expert. Use professor if its college.>senpaiDon't translate it. Don't even keep it (fuck you Persona) except in situations where "upperclassmen" or "superior" won't sound awkward. Same logic with "kouhai">-sanDON'T or follow the logic of "sensei">onii/onee-chan of whateverSimilar logic to "senpai".Don't use Japanese words when translating to English unless they're proper nouns. Had enough of that nakama bullshit.
>>290070380>"Hello Sakura-san">"We're friends, you can drop the '-san'.">"...Sakura"Official translation:>"Hello Sakura">"We're friends, you why don't you use something friendlier like a nickname?">"...Sakky"
>>290080443people complain about this like it happens all the time, but they ignore all of the much more common instances where characters say to stop using keigo or where someone changes from using boku to ore.
>>290080487>where someone changes from using boku to ore.Now how is someone supposed to translate that outside of tone
>>290070380I've seen one instance, can't remember the series right now, where one character shouts, "onii-san", another character remarks, "That person's got a brother" which made it more baffling that the subs rendered it as [brother's name].
>>290070380>お兄ちゃんエッチ，スケッチ，ワンタッチ~
>character says oh shit >subs say delicious
>>290080443I get this is a problem for dubs, but if you're subbing you should simply use the "-san" translation.
>>290081067>character says Ohio>subs say good morning
>>290079949You should translate fantasy next! >eiyuu, yuusha, hiiro? It's all HERO, baby! >kenja, kenjin, roushi, sennin? Obviously all SAGE, dude! >mamono, mazoku, majin, akuma, oni, youma, youki, youkai, demon, deemon, tenma, ma? They are all the same DEMON, of course!
>>290081174Sometimes these shows have target audiences of single digit age children. And translators often have bosses that don't know shit about the language and go "this is for kids get that foreign stuff out of here". It's actually why dubs are becoming more accurate to the manga/original script in some cases because they have more moving parts so more people can go "no it was like this originally and we want to keep it that way"
>>290080842the same way you differentiate between honorifics because it's literally the same aspect of the language
>>290070466
>>290081045
>>290070466obligatory
>>290081697Lol
>>290081697>Nissin tried to copyright super looper but couldn't so they just dropped the S and got Uper looper and now it's just a name for a thingI FUCKING HATE JAPANESE MARKETING
>>290070380Agreed It feels like a lot of subbers prefer to basically write a dub script and call that the subsIt's retardedI also fucking hate when they reverse name order in the subs. Why? We know the Japanese put surnames first.
everyone and their dog gets called uncle in this manga i'm reading. I'm pretty sure it's just oji-san abuse at this point. the translator is afk spamming uncle for oji-san and moving on with the work. it's ... vexing.
>>290082900Lol, they could simply use "old man".
>>290082924Any time I hear people from east asia speaking English they tend to default to uncle rather than old man for it.
>>290070466To be fair some English loan words have a different meaning than the original English language.
>>290082900there are millions of zoomers calling anyone older than 25 "unc" and this is what you choose to get annoyed with?
>>290081309But would young children watch subbed anime?
>>290070466>Character says fried potato>Subs say french friesLocalizers should get the rope
>>290083673We all know they're called Chips.
>>290083673>character says potato>subs say chips
>>290083830Funnily I just made the joke about how fries are actually chips, but this is actually a good example of another thing, they might get a translator from somewhere that has slightly different English to where you're from.
>>290070380>Watching Coppelion subbed with my sister over a decade ago>Aoi always refers to herself in the third-person and subs usually do that>Near the end of the series there's some line she has that's approximately translated with a saying that includes a first-person "I">Sister thinks it's character growth or something>Have to try to explain that Aoi didn't refer to herself at all in that sentence without my sister really getting what I'm talking about
>>290071774leave it untranslated because that's my fetish
>>290083936This is why localizing Japanese jokes or cultural references into Americanisms is always a bad idea, not everyone is American.
>>290084626Translation is just imperfect, we've been translating the bible for literally thousands of years and keep finding new nuances and ways to do it. Translation should just be viewed as a different artform and you're reading "X person's translation" and if you want the original, learn the language.
>>290083949Lmao, I wouldn't have told her just to lwt her be happy thinking that.
>>290079488If you don't like anime lolis, please do the world a favor and permanently fuck off back to rebbit or bluesky. Troonfolk are not welcome.
>>290086390>noooo my hecking safe spaceeeeLmao
>>290071004You don't finish that many anime do you
>>290078646>>290073356Typically whenever lolicon is used in anime, it's (kinda ironically) not referring to drawings, so the pedophile translation is correct.
This was brought up in the last retarded sub ragebait thread made and posted in by people who don't actually watch anime, but the whole honorific argument falls apart once you start bringing in pronouns, since those are objectively more important than honorifics 90% of the time and are never carried over in translation.
>>290086879explain siscon then
>>290086981Well there's no singular targeted word to describe an incestuous freak, so siscon is often kept.This is also primarily because siscon is used jokingly.
>>290073356Funniest shit was in UzaMaid, where lolicon was left as is when refering to women, but for men it was localised as pedophile.
>>290087008It's untranslatable. By translating you lose -con interplay. ***le lumps ugly shota together which is elsewhere in the -con series. The pure tone and nuance is removed because one word is from America and the other isn't. Just wrong.
>>290087383>By translating you lose -con interplay.Not really.Siscon just means sister complex. It has some interplay, but all of this is downflow from Freud.Really this seems like an autistic and meaningless hangup.
>>290081697Honestly all loanwords should be banned from every language, it's always retarded and unnecessary.
>>290087519I mean the interplay with other words that use -con. In all cases you're adding -con to X to get x-con. It's an unique aspect of the language like keigo.
>>290071004It doesn't even work as a localization since no human alive has ever called another person "big broski" or "big brudder".
>>290076953Nah, that does happen.
>>290073356This is only acceptable in doujins
>>290086981"Sister-obssessed" would be an acceptable translation since it’s a word too specific.
>hear something with your ears >read something different with your eyes
>>290091375Cute art
>>290091375The brain can truly do wonders.
>>290086981sisphile
>>290073356they're only half right. because lolicon only refers to pubescent girls, and i don't think english has an equivalent for a pedo specifically attracted to little girls.
>>290087961They're fun tho.
>>290087961How is L'Académie française posting on /a/?
How would you guys translate "Senpai" ?>Character name>Upperclassman>Don't translate, just put Senpai.ect ect? Genuinely curious. I actually think that just using the world Senpai a unique enough word that not translating it is fine but what is the line where a translation does not need to translate the world?
>>290093988The spic dub of Kakegurui leaves senpai untranslated, so it seems that non-retarded localisers understand that it's an understood word among modern weebs.
>spoken dialogue says something like “Hey, isn’t that Tanaka Junpei?”>Subtitles say “Hey, isn’t that Junpei Tanaka?”It’s such a little thing, but I still hate it
>>290070466This is a more accurate translation 9 times out of 10 because their loanwords just end up being their own thing. Or end up using outdated terminology zoomers wouldn't recognize like "SNS" in place of social media.Yeah there are shit translations, but this phenomenon isn't one of them.
>>290093988If you're shipping to a non-weeb audience, it's context sensitive to the scene. If you're shipping to a weeb audience, just say senpai.
>>290087961I worked in sales and the worst part of it was everyone using English loan words to sound more professional and capable but their pronunciation was so shit they just sounded like retarded hicks fellating their own farts, which is what they were, of course.
>>290093988It depends on a whole bunch of things. Do I want to leave some Japanese terminology in for flavour? What's the context of the scene, is it formal or informal? *sniff* i tako dalje
>>290087961I mean I don't see the problem with calling the study of matter Chemistry, which is in and of itself an ancient loanword. Like I don't see the problem.It's unnecessary when you already have an equivalent, which is the case with most of Japanese loanwords.
>>290093988As an honorific (e.g., "Mihama-Senpai")? Leave it as senpai. As in the concept of a senpai (e.g., "watashi no senpai", "senpaitachi")? Translate it as senior or upperclassman.
>>290071004Well, how else would you translate "Nii Nii"
>>290070380It can help characterize the relationships. Like if she uses "onii-sama" then "localizing" that to just his name loses that.>>290071851Most trannylators refuse to just have "mama" or "papa" translate to those terms. They will use "mom" or "dad" instead.
>>290093988Upperclassman is better than saying the name of the character, but the word senpai is already specific enough to not need a translation imo.
>>290093988I wouldn't translate it, and that goes for other untranslatable concepts as well. Sometimes it's the job of the viewer to go out of their way to find the meaning of words they don't understand because not everything will have an equivalent. A lot of people forget their watching foreign media and it's healthy for people to realize that not everything should be understood immediately.
>>290095892Senpai is 100% translatable. It's just clunky and doesn't match how English works.
>>290093988Senpai is recognizable enough that a decent degree of normalfags get it.Maybe it's because the manga I'm translating is based on a subculture where it's used a lot which makes it a nightmare to work out but I am absolutely nettled that がんばれ hasn't entered zeitgeist the same way.
>>290095892>>290095984I think both of these are important point. Like as a native english speaker if some book uses an english word that you don't know, you just look it up and you expand your vocabulary. Should be the same for anime and seeing the term "senpai"And also if the supposed purpose of localization is to make things more familiar to the non-native audience, then using a weird literal translation like "my dearest esteemed big brother" or "upperclassman/senior" is failing that check and you might as well just fall back using "onii-sama" or "senpai"
>>290095984How would you translate it then?
>>290093988Left as is. It's a Japanese anime character with inherent Japanese sensibilities about seniority, using only the character name is simply bad.
>>290094538Leave it as it is. Fuck casuals.
>>290096208wow I guess we don't need translators since you can just look up what every word means
>>290096827>no nuances, just extremesThis is why people can't have honest discussions with your kind.
>>290070380just watch it without subs if you care so much, no sub can ever be 100% accurate because its impossible to fully translate japanese into english without either localizing or just not translating some of it, hence it not being a full translation (which is not intuitive for non-weebs, hence why they try to localize)if you don't like this then just learn japanese and you won't have to care
>>290096758Preach it!
>>290083673japs call shoestring fries "long potato" and I think that's whimsical
>>290073356Context matters. If it's humorous or an otaku referring to themselves, lolicon makes sense. They aren't gonna call themselves a pedophile. But if it's said with disgust or vitriol, pedophile makes sense.
>>290070380>character obviously speaks japanese>subtitles appear in englishI will have someones head for this
>>290096906the point of a translation is to convert one language to another. if you are leaving words in the original language your translation is by definition incomplete.
why do subs translate "mama" as "mommy"
>>290099159Lmao
>>290074666>>290070425TRVKE
>>290100062The words mommy and daddy have been corrupted beyond repair.
>>290086632Pot calling the kettle nigger.
>>290096097It's recognizable through cultural osmosis because of the lasting impact of the fansub era when subbers still left untranslatable words like that intact and added a TL note or two for explanation (same with "onii-chan", "chuunibyou", "siscon", etc.). Had fansubbers followed modern translation practices back then, it's doubtful that any normalfags would recognize "senpai" today.There is a lot of more recent Japanese slang that never got registered into weeb, much less normalfag vocabulary because of modern translation practices. For example, where is the autistic rage against 陰キャ being translated as "introvert"? I'm not seeing it, not on /a/ at least. Even though it's a uniquely Japanese concept with no direct translation in English just like "chuunibyou", and translating it in any way other than leaving it as is is just as stupid as translating "chuunibyou" into "delusional", "daydreamer", "middle school syndrome", etc.
>>290102876Inkya is perfectly translatable though
>>290103015How would you translate it? If your answer is "introvert", you're wrong.
>>290100701Tard.
>>290099524Eat your jelly donuts
>>290105564That's a non-sequitur though. They could've just said rice balls, the localizers were just scared of xenophobic parents.
>>290103156"Gloomy loser" or "social outcast" depending on context. It's not some sacred nipponese rune, you just can't slap "introvert" on it because that makes it sound neutral instead of insulting.
Sometimes it feels like the failed writers themselves are camping these kind of threads to desperately try to deflect and defend themselves
>>290106108Me when I watch YouTube video essayists and lose sight of reality. Thread has been mostly reasonable discourse so far.
>>290073356don't worry anon, we gonna to convince them to change it to MAP so pedophiles like you don't feel offended
>>290093988You gotta take your potential audience in mind.Ghibli movie? just say their name, because my mom doesn't know what the fuck a senpai meansLiterally anything else? senpai, because only gay nerds are watching seasonal anime and they all know what senpai means
>>290096097Once it does become popular, make sure you write it correctly like "ganbare" and NOT "gambare" like a fucking tool
>>290105981why do you write like that, wtf
>>290106371I just think it's kinda pathetic doing that on a mongolian basket weaving forum
>changes "onee" to the character's name but leaves the honorific in the subtitleSasuga Crunchyroll
>>290107036but it's literally pronounced with a m sound and the purpose of an alphabet is to render sounds as letters.
