We are quote on quote >don't understand Japanese manga. I think that's probably because they don't have literacy or reading comprehension.So they say or claim we are smart asses and incompetent individuals.Idk how much more gentle you want me to put it.
>>290086400they're probably rightbut in 10 years hollywood jews will own all their IPs anyway
>>290086454Lmao they think theyre making money off us when we will pretty much own them.
Who needs to fucking read? Reading is for numpties.
>>290086400Bold words from a people that made JJK popular.
Surely "quote on quote" was satire by OP
>>290086400Cope. Those nips "reading deeper" are all reading trash too, not Yoshiharu Tsuge.
>>290086400battle shounen shitlmaolol
>shounen editors thinks shounen manga have dramaIt's book with pictures for kids, retards.
>>290086400trvke.
>>290086511First as tragedy then as farce then as ESL
>>290086400snk, oshi no ko and chainsaw man ending were masterpieces accordding to these nips
>>290086400Imagine saying this about nardo and one piss of all things.
>>290086723That is a problem because??
>>290086400I know they don't want to hear this but the weekly comics for kids and teens aren't exactly the pinnacle of literary art
>>290086503I don’t understand how that became so popular?? I could not read volume 1, swapped it for kny, the anime is ducking retarded as the mc is barely even a person.
They're right, westerners don't care about plot or story, they want impact frames and fancy animation which is why China will lead the animation industry by the turn of the next decade. Japan is doomed to fall.
>>290086737Because >>290086737
>>290086400Even the editors agree that Naruto is a gateway anime and manga of the worst kind.
Naruto, JJK, DBZ, these are all shounen that don't require language understanding. You just see people punching, and that's all you need to know. This is very unlike HxH which requires one be very literate to unpack all of Togashi's walls of text.
>>290086400This thread proves those editors right,.
>>290086933Evidently so !
>>290086454>>290086476Insane amount of cope. You lost, and you'll never be Japanese
>>290087033Hes dissing Faggot x Faggot as well with that statement as he edited both of them to his liking. So in other words he is saying hes a medicore editor
Literacy rates in Japan are 99%. In the West that number drops down to 30%, on average.
>>290087102Does literacy really matter when you read a fucking shounenslop? Grow up, read a manga for adult for once.
>>290087131Calling foreign literature "slop" only shows yourself to be a philistine.I bet you read nothing at all.
>>290087153Don Quixote mogs any manga out there. cope and seethe
>>290087153>foreignIt's book with pictures in it, kid. You didn't read shit.
>>290086400BASEDThe less influence the west has over Japan, the better their media will be.
>>290086400>gaijin bad, too raudo!Every damn time, kek. Even when talking about foreigners reading their comics.
>>290086400this is correct.if gaijin actually understood manga they’d be making it themselves. but western millennials, zoomers, and gen alpha all grew up on anime and manga and they just consume. never produced anything meaningful, let alone a masterpiece.
>>290086400This is a puff piece ramping up to marketing One Piece's conclusion. This should be pretty obvious from them even entertaining the idea that it's a matter of media literacy when One Piece genuinely has a large panel of the princess-of-the-week crying in nearly every arc to establish clearly to its very young reader base that the evil bad guy is bad and evil.
>>290086400the amount of yellow knights in this thread is insane
>>290086400>My brainless infantile garbage is better and smarter than this other brainless infantile garbageDisgustingly Mexican argument desu
americans literally cannot retain, process and comprehend ideas and how they relate to each other.any manga comment section is clear proof that the average westoid is not mentally equipped to read anything more complicated than the Chuunin Exam of Naruto
>>290087153>manga>literatureChoose one.
>>290086400speaking of one piece, japanese fans hold the east blue saga in high regard, whereas western fans love the marineford war saga. this point alone shows that westerners prefer shallow, brutish power scaling and aura farming over stories that focus on the subtleties of human emotion.
New York City has more well-read people than all of Japan combined. Nips almost only read manga/comics, and maybe 10% of them read LNs and think they're gods for doing so. Reading something like Heian period literature past high school makes you 'uncool' over there. It's so much worse than the 'performative' anxiety in the West.In contrast, the modern Chinese literary tradition is bustling. Chaoyang in Beijing has a bunch of interesting stuff coming out, mostly depressing. Their output is much better than the old Dimes Square crap, though that's not saying much I suppose.
>>290088424>In contrast, the modern ChinesMan, you almost had me. Try again next time, chang.
>>290088424There are plenty of well-read Nips but they just read Western classics and modern novelists
>>290086400The early One Piece anime just sucked in comparison to the early Naruto anime. Our elementary school library was packed with Naruto manga and this was early 2000's. People just like Naruto more.
>>290088424But there's anime about those periods...Nobunaga even cameos and slashes mecha with katana.
>>290086400Holy shit even the japs do the "muh media literady" wank.
>>290086400They sound like catty bitches.
>>290088682that's like saying Rick and Morty is has historical depth because Abe Lincoln has a cameo
>>290086400It's 80-90% roughly for /a/ and MAL, the essence of discussions reveal that 9/10 people here don't understand anything they're talking about.
>>290088706>calling me out for being a retard in my media takes is bad because...uh..
>>290086603This.I can't name one fightslop shounen with a story I actually like besides a couple jojo parts.There isn't even any on my top 10.
>>290089900Getting raped by your high school philosophy teacher in a nuanced, deconstructive "Show, don't tell" way doesn't make you high IQ, you're still a midwit.A midwit who suffers through boring shit instead of enjoying his life.
>>290089900you need to return to, and henceforth remain in, preddit>>290087422gaijin cannot produce manga
>>290086400Gms
>>290086400
>>290086400>Le rubber punchman>DeepSure Takeshi
>>290086503Retard. Saying "Naruto and JJK are more popular than One Piece because they're easier to understand for children" is not "bold words"
There's only some two million people that understand Japanese as a second language.
>>290086400The Japs are kinda correct because America only licenses battle shonen shit
didn't japs copy most of the tropes in anime/manga from western books
>>290090352they copied most of them from IRL sports, history, and mysticism like everyone elseAll People Fight manga are just variations of "What if Onmyouji had to win martial arts tournaments"
>>290090352There are ogs from the East like the samurai unsheathes katana and other samurai goes brrr never gets old
>>290086400>onepiss is 2deep4u gaijinsamaI actually wish nips read at least the major works of classical literature so they can learn to make a competent writing
>>290091123>competent writingLmaoMost of classical literature are pretentious trash or straight up trashThey're only "popular" due to their status or historical significance, not because they're good
>>290086400I am fully illiterate but that doesn't stop me from enjoying my favorite series One Piece every week.
>>290086400>quote on quoteIdiot.
>>290086400In the early days of these manga this was actually trueBut as time went on Naruto evolved and One Piece became more formulaic
>>290086603acshually they just have a very high IQ, thats why they can appreciate and create such complex, layererd story elements like>punch harder>power of friendship>gear 5 hahayou gaijin simply lack the sublime and lofty nature of japanese high literature (picture books) authors
>>290091516You must plain illiterate if you think this is somehow worse than anime or manga plots, where good fully functioning story is a wonderful coincidence
>>290086454>but in 10 years hollywood jews will own all their IPs anyway>10 yearsIt won't take that long to take over a vassal state's industry
>>290086400>quote on quoteNot going to bother reading anything else you post. You’re clearly retarded and not worth talking to.
>>290086400>We are don't understand >quote on quote
This entire thread proves their point
I bet /a/nons never got it :3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTmNk8qJeU
>>290086476>weYou are a jew?
>>290091123Compared to Naruto, it might as well be Milton.
Lots of triggered Narutards here.
>>290086400He's calling narutards illiterate shitheads and he's right, there's a reason /a/ used to quarantine/ban big three threads and it was because nobody wants literal children on this board who watch that shit.
>>290086400What he said is literally true. What he meant is not. Naruto is more popular than One Piece because, at a glance, One Piece looks stupid. Oda takes a lot of inspiration from Western cartoons which are made for babies so older kids and adults look at One Piece and think it must be for babies, too - and in fact, most anons think so, too, even after reading it. I would also say other people can't abstract as well as Asians can. A Japanese person wouldn't get why that Batman/TMNT meme is so funny.
>>290086400>many people overseasCorrect. I'm not among those though.
>>290093207Same, nothing worse than being lumped together with the sludge.
>>290086400He's right.
>the gaijin are dumbyes>oda's story is complexlmao. all he does is add a trillion characters per arc while leaving enough open scenes here and there that can be given meaning later depending on how the story ends up going to make it appear more foreshadowed than it really is>that meaningless cryptic scene in chapter 756 was foreshadowing this bravo goda!!!!!!
>>290086400>the west is fucking retardedChecks out.
>>290086400Just so everyone is aware, OP found a Reddit thread posted 14 hours ago and took a phone screenshot of a screenshot of a 7 year old article.
>>290095054I'm more upset mods haven't banned this shit bait thread yet.
>>290095089Are you implying anything has changed in 7 years? Hell 7 years ago op was in the worst arc in its history.
>>290086400The funny part is that even Naruto is too complex for burgers. The amount of retards that completely miss the point of the series and instead whine about muh jesus and muh hard work is frankly embarrassing.
>>290086400He is 100% correct.
>>290086400>Please like One Pieceuu!!kekarooNart and One Piss only really had their anime adaptations to go off of in America at least, a very small % of overseas people would have the manga available to them and early Nart anime blew the shit out of OPs asshole back then
>the drama of OP is very interestingI have never read nardo but lmao what qualifies as drama in OP?muh ded parents? every princess story has thosemuh saturday cartoon baddies?muh damisel in distress?muh crying children?
>>290086400Naruto isn't popular because it's easy to understand, it's popular because most of the fanbase doesn't understand it. Those who do know that its characters, its plot and its fights are overwhelmingly stupid and nonsensical.
>>290086400>you simply don't understand why we must have scantily clad teenagers with fat tits being exposed and groped>you simply lack the literacy to comprehend the nuances of having sex with prepubescent children>you baka gaijin don't have the reading comprehension to appreciate the subtleties of solving all your problems problems by getting really angry and developing new superpowers out of nowhere>perhaps, if you were smarter, you would appreciate how our characters make Goofy Shocked Face #1919308 at the slightest surprise or inconvenience... alas, you don't, desu...we shouldn't have stopped at 2
>>290086400>they said we are smart asses and incompetent individuals.Pic related is what was taught in your classes, also look at how american comic industry is being monopolized by 2 companies.What do you think?
The only proof I need to know they're right is that THIS is what peak storytelling in American comic books looks like right now.
>>290095524>Those who do know that its characters, its plot and its fights are overwhelmingly stupid and nonsensical.sounds like OP
>>290096294Is this really a valid argument for how dumb the west is when noone actually buys it?
>>290096294you have to like peni (ゝω・)vｷｬﾋﾟ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCk7D_-pTtY
>>290096352You're right. Here's a peak moment in the current best selling American comic book.
>>290096544I concede.
>>290096046And why the fuck the author mentioned the blue courtains on the page?Not only mutt education but retards attempt to go against such autistic education is what drove media literacy to the bottom below the underground artistic sensibility.Look at this retard >>290095639>Aieeee why there is gropingIs like complaining why there is sex on Eyes Wide Shut; because none them were westoid family friendly to begin with.
>>290086400I mean yeah, we'll always be guests by the virtue of not being Japanese. Even if you're fluent in the language, you still didn't grow up in that culture.
>>290096294>>290096544I see /co/ fags are still ass-hurt from the last thread lol
This thread is putrid garbage and you should die OP for being a retard.
>>290086400no way... the prestigious editor of naruto and one piece said what? and they "been reading manga for a long time, so we tend to read deeper into what makes manga interesting". So... for literacy or reading comprehension I need to read more manga? like them, right?
>>290096664...he's quite literally agreeing with the Jump editors in saying that Americans are too stupid to understand children's manga because their own comics are far more brain dead.
How fo you feel about the death of 4chan? This thread is more proof of the braindead plague.
>>290096721You guys say this every day for 15 years now.
>>290096703Posting comic pages multiple times when no one did is just a /co/ fag falsefalgging.Not too long ago was another manga vs comic thread /here/, don't know what the fuck got /co/ cucks riles up lately.
>>290086400Are you sure he's referring to the imageboard autists who've been obsessed with Japanese manga for decades and not the wider audience of normalfags who have only recently been introduced to manga and anime?
>>290096669Too few people understand that. It's why the No Localization; Pure Translation Only! crowd has always looked stupid over on /v/ and its satellite boards. Not a single one of them could ever hope to actually understand anything more complex than an NES RPG because turns of phrase are too much for them. It's why that Legends of Localization site doesn't dare tackle anything more challenging than Playstation era games.
>>290096773>don't know what the fuck got /co/ cucks riles up lately.Maybe how it's more obvious than ever that noone gives a shit about anything produced west of Greenwich?
>>290096773Did you know there are people who read both comic books AND manga? Not everything is some psy-op falseflag invasion.
>>290096046Poor literacy is treated as a failure of the individual, rather than a failure of society itself. People also equate poor education with moral failure, literally blaming children for being failed by adults who had a legal and moral responsibility to teach them.That and there is often no way to tell if something is actually meant to be a metaphor or not, my /tg/ setting is rife with cancer and nuclear debate metaphors for example and I'm not subtle about it, but many other aspects of it are simply things that "just are" without being a metaphor for things like diabetes or immigrant integration. One huge issue that a lot of English classes run into is that many allegories and metaphors in literature are a product of their time but they don't take time to explain the significance of those allegories. Everyone knows that Animal Farm is an allegory for the Russian revolution, and that Butter Battle Book is an allegory for (and written during) the cold war, but Lord of the Rings is absolutely NOT an allegory for anything by word of Tolkien.
>>290096773Spiderman making money probably has their morale up
>>290086400Given the retard takes that are floating around, they're not wrong, but let's not pretend like anime and manga is deep. Most of the time it isn't.
>>290096840They are an extreme minority considering a single tankobon of a mildly popular series outsells the entire comic industry.
>>290096915>>290096840Those people are Millenials/Gen Xers who still go by the old definition of nerd. No one born after 2000s is a fan of multiple niches anymore. Hell, there's still a growing divide between anime watchers and manga readers.
Wan Piss is hard to read because of the dogshit paneling and clutter on every page, not because of the writing.
>>290097225And the hundreds of superfluous characters.
>>290097225Yeah, there’s a difference in comic book and regular book literacy. A lot of people don’t even read comics in America so they don’t know which panel or speech bubble to read first or how the eye is supposed to move across the page. And when you read digitally the pages aren’t always next to each other like they would be in physical
>>290096614you can just say that you're a pedophile with no taste you know. you don't need to use all those words.
>>290086400they're using one piece to try to make this point?
>>290086400If you want to know what shit taste looks like, just look at Japan. Last time I was there, I was drinking at an izakaya and this salaryman is telling me how amazing Sakura Taisen is.
>>290086400*raughs*
>>290097435You don't have to know, the art should dictate it.
>>290096773There was a thread up a few days ago on /a/ about the manga industry vs. the comic industry and it made them butthurt.
>>290097711You'd be surprised at the amount of people who literally don't understand this.You can show them a page that seems braindead simple to follow and they're either ignore the dialogue all together or not get that the panels are suppose to be specific moments in time.
>>290086400Just shut up and continue making anime focusing in hype moments and aurafarming, your role is giving us fun before your race die for not breeding.
>>290086400The chuds are giving Interviews in japanese media
>>290098582Get off the internet and go back to whatever gutter you crawled out of.
>>290086400It doesn't matter what you watch or read, westernpeople think Japanese comic writers and editors aren't wacky occultists who push heavy handed religious and spiritual ideas all the time. Kind of hilarious to see people actively deny reincarnation in their fantasy shows where it's almost baked into the premise.
Both naruto and one piece are terrible stories, 99.9% of japanese manga and LN fail at having the most basic elements of a story.And then there's the endings, holy shit the endings, even among the 1% of good japanese literature only the 0.1% has a proper ending, manga and anime is enjoyable because it's easily digestible but it fails on all levels at being good stories, on top of all of this there's the absurd amount of time it takes the average japanese author to actually get to the end, some series go on for decades, in that same timeframe a western author has shat out 10 fully completed stories.
>>290096773Falseflagging as people who hate shitty comics?
>>290091516>Most of classical literature are pretentious trash or straight up trashMaybe the "classic literature" of your country is, geg
>Naruto
>>290086400Well yes, cultural differences are pretty big, northamericans would never be able to understand the concept of honor or faith to name some.
>OP image says overseas>comments are about Westerners>conflating the West solely with America
>>290086400>quote on quote*quote unquote
>>290100327Have you ever seen a movie before? Aliens only speak english for a reason.
>>290099758>reeeee!Thats westoids coomsuming japanese otaku media with westoid perspective. Expecting shit like le hero journey from every manga or anime is the same as a westaboo expecting a nakige on the tasteless indie vidya scene outside japan.Just look at this retard >>290097494Seething over japanese drawings not wanting to be le epic or some westoid bullshit.
>>290086400>in short. Anime and manga are for the people who created it. Always has been. Fuck gaijans.
>>290086476We WILL have our revenge.
>>290086400>reading comprehension >manga and LNSummery, we want to be white like those who beat us and fuck their women
>>290101682UN says no.
>>290102402There will be no UN one day
>>290099758I'd never understand why westoids like Hollywood slop so muchThe way anything more complex than a children's fable immediately triggers them is not normal
>>290098063To be fair, dialogue and art being completely unrelated and having panels with no sense of continuity are the staples of capeshit.
>>290102948Go back to /co/
>>290102825Because you, like >>290101457 have the IQ of an hamster and 0 culture, this is all story telling that was solved millennia ago starting from sumerian myths, it's not something hollywood or the western sphere invented.
>>290096614>And why the fuck the author mentioned the blue courtains on the page?you should work on your own literacy first lol, it's for setting the scene.
>>290086400They are right but neither one piece nor naruto should be difficult for any literate people to understand
>>290086400Westerners don't care about One Piece because it's just a shitty jap attempt and trying to make le wacky western cartoon style but just looks ugly and weird to us. Its the same reason japs hate fake anime shit like Avatar. Naruto is just way different than anything westerners make and directly adapts a very japanese thing (ninja) but makes it more fantastical thats just very appealing to westerners right out the gate rather than reject cartoon designs about pirates hunting treasure a subject done to death already in western media for over a century.
>>290086400>quote on quoteWell they're right, you at least are fucking illiterate.
>>290106033This is a massive cope getting called out on your low IQ. Naruto will never be looked at on the same level of integrity that One Piece is. You'll be coping with that till the day you die. Like even the Shounen Jump editors are saying here, your IQ is too low to appreciate and understand it. You're easily midwit filtered
Why is this thread here and not in /pol/? what the hell are moods doing?
>>290086400But he is right though, Americans are completely, inherently, and utterly stupid, specially the woke and the "that's a literal a kid" retards.
>>290086820>westernsIndians are Asian
>>290106459He didn't say Americans. He said "many people overseas". Or rather, he probably said GAIJIN. If you're not Japanese you're a gaijin
>>290104790>this is all story telling that was solved millennia ago starting from sumerian myths, it's not something hollywood or the western sphere invented.This guy eats food off the floor btw.Even film writers today that claim they use the Hero's Journey don't actually follow it half the time. And executives want you to say you use it because it makes you seem intellectual.>yeah it's ubiquitous, just ignore how most examples omit 50% of the thing or have landmarks at completely different locationsGo back to YouTube.
>>290096721>>290096752But we literally have numbers to proof 4cham is dying
>>290096987>No one born after 2000s is a fan of multiple niches anymore.I have like a million of series I like
>>290086400>one piss is very deepyeah nope.
>>290106626That said Takeshi likely meant Americans.
>>290107099>Tripfag has a retarded takeImagine. my. shock.
>>290086400>naruto doesn't require that kind of reading comprehensionif you say so, goy sensei https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nPZBJq_Wg0
>adults arguing over which of their cartoons for 12 year olds is betterI don't understand this. I don't go to /co/ but if I saw two 30 year old men arguing whether johnny quest or scooby doo had better writing I would just laugh at them.
>>290091918>>290099779>literate is when u mindlessly consume overrated literature slophe's right and you could never recommend anybody any literature that isn't as pretentious as shounenshit or straight up trashwould not surprise me if fags like you worship ayn rand like a gigacuckdon't forget to tip your fedora
>>290107401>comparing narrative driven stories to episodic comedyI do too compare The Odyssey to my newspaper comics.
>>290107665>The Odysseyah yes, the good ole cuckold especialbad comparison though because the odyssey is unironically not much different from rent-a-girlfriend, it's episodic comedy disguised and dragged out as tragedy
>>290107359>vtumor
>>290086400Honestly, I think Naruto got more popular here in the US because it was more Japanese in concept than One Piece. It also wasn't kneecapped as hard when it came to localization of the anime. Frankly it's tiresome that the Japanese still are clueless that how they choose to sell and market series has an impact on what gets popular.
I think the wording in this article is off, though I get the impulse behind it. For me this isn't a reading comprehension issue in the sense they mean, westerners generally aren't failing to follow the plot or parse the language. What's actually missing is fluency in otaku culture itself, genre conventions, recurring tropes, visual shorthand, and references that a Japanese reader absorbs contextually just from growing up immersed in it. A reader raised outside that culture has to learn those cues explicitly, the way anyone has to learn the conventions of an unfamiliar genre or tradition.So I'd call it a cultural fluency gap, not a comprehension gap. Comprehension implies a deficit in basic reading skill. What's actually going on is closer to what happens when anyone encounters an unfamiliar genre for the first time, the words are all understandable, but the meaning built on shared cultural context takes longer to click.
>>290108193One Piece launched when Cartoon Network started to sabotage Toonami and had a shit dub. They arguably could've made Naruto a flop with their surrounding strategy.
Nardo blew up in the west at a time (the late 2000's) when millenials were in our edgy teen phase and it definitely scratched that itch more than One Piece for most people, it's as simple as that, every other take is wrong. I was still a scholar though and preferred One Piece, but calling it literary is a fucking joke, especially post-timeskip, I don't hate it but I read it out of habit at this point, it is crazy how repetitive it got and how many pointless new characters there are while the OG crew went into the background.
>>290108250I don't know if that's really their intent within this article, but it's definitely true that someone that isn't Japanese will encounter tropes, references, jokes etc. that they wouldn't understand without looking into it further.Still happens plenty to people that consume a lot of manga/anime, you're just not gonna have the cultural context for everything.
>>290105710The courtains are only mentioned, nothing else; neither who is the companion of the courtains is mentioned.The scene is lacking
>>290108496Most people just don't have a deep connection with media. Even the YouTube pundits and elitists don't interact with these things any deeper than a Disney adult in a theater.
>>290086400these guys might know the domestic market well, but every time they talk about foreign reception in that interview it comes off like they have zero clue, and are just trying to come up with post-facto justifications. (rather than admit they have a blind spot) it's especially embarrassing when the reasons are pretty self-evident for anyone that was there at the time.
>>290086400From personal experience, people who unironically only read manga tend to have very little to no reading comprehension, literary knowledge, etc. Hell, they even struggle to read because they never bothered to pick up an actual book outside of elementary school>>290087153>Manga isn't slopHello mr. Japenis
>>290108250Like what kind of context is lost in OP?
>>290086400What he's saying is evidentially true.The morons saying "One Piece is not political" like TheAnimieMan because they've programmed themselves to think political = bad.Americans are so politicized and angry they can't fucking read anymore.
>>290104790*Starting from some burger in the 50s The monomyth is a joke. If it weren't for the jews latching onto it to make slop, no one would care about it.
>>290107907>cuckoldAre (You) american or just brown?
>>290108700Oh, One Piece is definitely political. One of the biggest themes people don't want to admit about it is its consistent theme of illegal migrants coming to other nations and countries and overriding that countries culture to their own fitting.
>According to the JapaneseOne quote is not representative of all elevens, grow up.
>>290109245>illegal migrants Technically that is the Straw Hat Pirates.Fucking weird read but honestly sure, I'll take it.
>>290108193Americans like ninjas
>>290109325Technically it's Crocodile, Enel, Doflamingo, Kaido and Imu. Luffy is liberating the illegal immigrant regime on their countries
>>290109245>>290109325>illegal migrantsMigrants are fags who stay to live for a non public disclosable period of time on a land they are not native inhabitants. Luffy's crew are illegal because they are pirates and they move from one country to another on a shorter time spawn than a mutt jew moving to a settlement on Gaza.Not the same and I blame normalfags e-celebs applying their bogus politics wrong on the most basic white bitch and broke hood nigga anime titles.
>yfwhttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/269977009
>>290086400>One Piece is like a classic yakuza filmgetting a lot of Boss Baby vibes from this
>>290086400they meant covid anime fans, aka hood weebs
>>290086400i've read this discussion before, it's talking about not understanding japanese literature and how melodrama is respected
>>290096614Media literacy isn't a thing, this is obvious to people with a brain.
>>290092538>In Japan, the 1967 Fantastic Four cartoon was called "Space Ninja Golmes"what the fuck
>>290095386he means melodrama, it's mistranslated
I don’t understand why American otaku often interpret Japanese anime by applying it to real life without really understanding it.Many of them are eager to bring up topics like racial issues, social inequality, and politics.Japanese otaku generally tend to avoid those kinds of topics.
>>290108700Intelligent people understand that One Piece is not political and the Japanese will laugh at you for being a midwit fucktard who thinks so.Thinking One Piece is political is almost as midwit as thinking 1984 is about authoritarianism lol
>>290110811Because the Japanese can segregate fiction from reality, this fundemantal premises makes it impossible fiction to real life with zero understanding because its fucking cringe.Lower races have worse segregation of fiction and reality, and are terminally online golems who get told how to think by their eceleb masters. So of course they say stupid shit. This is how we are getting shit where they cannot cope with themes in older media or think drawings are real people.
>>290086400Honestly they aren't wrong. Though boiling it down to a lack of media literacy isn't entirely fair. A lot of the fault lies with translators who can't leave behind their western perspective when translating a work and suddenly they think that the conclusions they are coming to are what the author actually meant, even if they have to deviate from the script by a mile.>>290096801based retard
>>290110815Manga where they literally go from island to island to liberate people from a new flavor of oppressive government could not possibly be political in any shape or form.Could you, by any chance, be illiterate?
>>290110945This is some "Oda is Diddy Epstein coded because he draws minors with big tits and lacking on clothes" youtube essayist mentality
>>290110811But those are common themes and sideplots in manga.>the mutant rights city raid in MHA was definitely not political>never mind that was explicitly the whole plotline>the tentacle guy looks into the camera and tells spinner "you're about to set us back 30 years" of social progressyeah people are just looking into it too much hahaDo you get off pretending to be retarded or?
>>290086400I asked a Japanese guy I know and he said this is not true.
>>290110987Harry Potter's society structure is builded on a plotline like that; wizards vs mud-bloods and muggles. Thus, that make Rowling a progressive author amirite?
>>290110970>types like a 5 year oldOkay so actually illiterate. Definition of political>Of, relating to, or dealing with the structure or affairs of government, politics, or the state. That's literally the primary conflict in One Piece. And it intentionally tries to make parallels with Japanese and world history.
>>290111017So the plot line is about people gated from communities, called genetically inferior, and fighting for civil rights. But Horikoshi didn't intend it to be political?As a practical joke, he put Rock Lock in the mutant raid, just in case someone wanted to argue.
>>290110970The show has Christianity and Buddhism subtext all over it. It draws from the real world at every possible turn. Even in real-world conspiracies, there's the idea of an advanced ancient civilization being covered, floods etc. Oda is pulling from The real world at every turn. Even with the government structure and Imu. Only a childish, delusional escapist would say otherwise, or a leftist not wanting their worldview destroyed by how foreign migrants come and try to take a country with its own conservative-established root and warp it into their own ideal society.
>>290107907>the odyssey is unironically not much different from rent-a-girlfriendIt took at least a couple thousand years but someone finally had the courage to say what we've ALL been thinking.
>>290087066dude, they already own One Piece and Naruto. That's why they're making shitty Americanized live action trash of both
>>290111026>There is politics in muh animuh so is an exact parallel to the irl worldIs the same mentality retards had about Frieren's demons>The demons are bad guys because they think bad things against every not demon>THE DEMONS ARE LIKE LE INMIGRANTS>THE DEMONS ARE LIKE LE FASCISTS>THE DEMONS ARE LIKE DEMONS REEEEEEirl politics parallels is on UTC Gundam zoom zoom, not on a battle shonen from mf jump lol.
>>290111059>Dood believes teachers lives in school because they teach at school
>>290111095It's not. Politically loaded interpretation of demons in Frieren (painfully simple) is actively malicious. MHA is painfully obvious about its political sideplots to the point where you would have to have a lobotomy to not parse it.What do you think he was trying to do with Gentle Criminal?
>>290111112>red is blue actuallyme when the aliexpress peptides kick in and i have brain damage
>>290110811Because no matter how much you segregate a fictional narrative from reality it is rooted in it and once it's released it influences it. The japanese are just too retarded to recognize that. Also ironically enough they are the ones who fail to grasp allegorical and symbolic layers of the narratives they produce
>>290111143>the people making this don't even understand the symbolism in their own work, but I doNigger you are certified retarded.
>>290110987There's a nuance. You've plotlines that clearly concern politics, but then someone takes it to mean, "is it specifically and exactly the American politics going on rn that is this thing on twitter?" Then you may say it might not apply, but no discussion can be had because Socratic Dialogue wasn't taught in their schools and they're right because they namedropped the authority of their teacher, which supposedly wins the argument, despite that teacher being supposed to teach dialogue and the Greeks.
>>290111198I mean, some people are retarded, you don't engage in lengthy discourse with them unless it's 3AM and you can't sleep and having nothing better to do.To argue that the pristine role model Japanese authors couldn't dare to create political parallels? That's a common sentiment on /a/ and with YouTube pundits, it's just the flipside of that stupidity.
>>290111065>Luffy is an evil inmigrant because he looks like the ones I see on muh favorite grifter sitesThe last thing they speak on One Piece is about the dangers of immigration or whatever is trendy with radicals online. Do you also believe Mizuhara rejecting Kazuya and Umi was an act of feminism because rejecting men is something feminists demand to do online?
>>290111135>Blue is actually Red because Blue is actually a psyopMe when Gemini can't give me a coherent come back to post on mf 4chan lol
>>290102732>>290102402>UN doing somethingTOP KEK
>>290111188Yes they don't. The fact that somebody makes something doesn't necessarily mean that they make all of it intentionally, and it doesn't stop some other alternative readings they didn't account for from creeping in. The fact that you are incapable of recognizing this simple truth disqualifies you from having this conversation
>>290111291If there is no intention there is no ideology to begin with
>>290111306Intention is untraceable most of the time, retard, and what's more it's irrelevant. Ideology exists outside of a work, and the work can become ideological in its context even if unintendedly. Work can be interpreted differently by members of the audience and its author. A member of audience might have experience in the context of which an element of a story shines with different implications the author didn't consider. The fact that the author failed to account for them does not make them any less real. The moment the work leaves the head of the author and enters the public he has no more sway over how it is read
>>290111377Intention is what pulls people into raiding the congress. Not to draw a bunch of young pirates going on adventures with a lifestyle which is a far from what actual pirates lived.
>>290111377At this point it's entirely a matter of faith. I won't even disagree with anything you just said. But if you want to take it to the point that anything can be anything, then enjoy it I guess...Personally I'd like to experience the intended vision.
>>290111455>Intention is what pulls people into raiding the congressIntention by itself does nothing, retard. It's just a small part of context. What drives people to commit certain actions what creates intentions is the context in its totality. A story about a bunch of young pirates challenging injustice and state cruelty will not drive every single person to ideological action consistently but as a part of context it absolutely will be the last drop required for at least someone
>>290086400He's right though. More than half of Americans read below a 6th grade level, and a quarter of Americans are functionally illiterate.
>>290111496You never will. That's the point. Your interpretation of what you perceived is not the intended version. Hell, what an author produced isn't intended version. It's the version he settled on many elements of which he has no idea why he put there. The truth of the matter is that any narrative once it's published is nothing but a stimulus to which we then react in accordance to our own context. Certain elements evoke certain associations. None of that happens consciously and none of that is the same across every person, hell it's not the same even between two people
>>290111542Not to mention that they've gotten so invested in tribal politics that they have an IQ debuff as well whenever they perceive opposition.
>>290111554You raise a great point
