the worst arc post 23rd tournament easily, so much so id even take demon king piccolo or red ribbon army over ithow do you have an arc that can only progress due to nothing but character stupidity..EVEYONE lost a whole half their IQ at least during this entire arc. these niggas vegeta and krillin had 2nd form cell in checkmate, both forfeit and throw the whole board out the window? what is this shit bro. everyone trolls in this arc from vegeta and krillin to even trunksso you telling me if trunks really wanted to he could have stopped 2nd form cell but didnt because he didnt want to hurt vegetas pride? for someone so antsy to save the future you dam near just as badandroid 18 could have ran away forever ago, gohan trolls at the end costing him his dads life, piccolo could have stopped first form cell so on and so forth
everything with adult goku is trash
>>290102991wrong. saiyan and namek both have the highest highs in the series
>>290102991...is what someone with zero testosterone and dogshit taste who laughs at poop jokes would say!
>>290102964>these niggas vegeta and krillin had 2nd form cell in checkmate, both forfeit and throw the whole board out the window?Vegeta did something completely in character for him. He was on top and wanted to wave his dick around.Kuririn didn't have it in him to kill a cute girl. Nothing out of place there.>so you telling me if trunks really wanted to he could have stopped 2nd form cell but didnt because he didnt want to hurt vegetas pride? He's not a martial artist and doesn't understand that raw power =/= actual ability. When he said that, he was referring to his third transformation, which was worthless to anyone with an understanding of actual martial arts.And when he does try to stop Cell, Vegeta keeps getting in his way.>android 18 could have ran away forever ago,Not without exposing herself and abandoning #16.>gohan trolls at the end costing him his dads life,That's called a character flaw.>piccolo could have stopped first form cell so on and so forthHe actually couldn't have stopped Cell. Cell literally got the upper hand on him and drained energy from Piccolo in addition to crippling him.
The constant retcons and rewrites bog the arc down.
>>290105506Every DB arc has retcons. The Cell arc isn't even particularly noteworthy for them compared to the shit some other arcs insert.
>>290105554>Every DB arc has retcons. The Cell arc isn't even particularly noteworthy for them compared to the shit some other arcs insert.Examples?
>>290105816Off the top of my head>21st Tenkaichi BudokaiGoku being 12 instead of 14.>Red Ribbon ArmyThe entire arc hinges on an absurd concept if the work is taken seriously, but I'll put that aside for now.The timeskip is made to be a year when previously it was said to be 8 months.>22nd Tenkaichi BudokaiActually pretty retcon-free.>Piccolo DaimaoRoshi isn't immortal anymore.Mafuba is a suicide attack until it isn't (Tenshinhan special exception?)The REAL holy waterGoku's nyoi-bo is actually not a weapon (yes, this is a retcon since the mantlepiece on the tower didn't exist until this happened)>23rd Tenkaichi BudokaiThe entire Piccolo fight is just "Hey wait, why didn't he use this innate ability he always had when fighting Goku the first time">Saiyajin arcGoku's an alienPiccolo and Kami are aliensMost of Goku's innate traits are because he's an alien btw (this is more as the series goes on, but it begins here)>Freeza arcThe Dragon Balls had a password..? (it's weird wording but this was never specified before and they make it sound as if this was true on Earth as well)Freeza destroyed Planet VegetaDensetsu no Suppa Saiyajin was a transformation all along (this happens during the arc, I imagine Toriyama just never thought too hard about it)>Cell arcI actually can't think of any big ones. I was going to say Gero but if I recall that's not really contradictory in the manga.What is contradictory is that Trunks says #19 and #20 are the androids, not #17 and #18 as he claims later in the arc.>Boo arcBaba has a one day only rule now despite that not being stated or even implied for Gohan prior.Genki-dama has a donate feature.
>>290102964>>290105461You forgot the entire arc happens at all because saiyans went wakuwaku, when told about impending human genocide by a time traveler with direct first hand knowledge that none of them will survive it, and then threatened to kill anyone who might consider stopping it pre-emptively now that they know about it coming.
>>290106151>Freeza destroyed Planet VegetaThis isn't a retcon, the meteorite story is false history and propaganda spread by Freeza's men >Densetsu no Suppa Saiyajin was a transformation all along (this happens during the arc, I imagine Toriyama just never thought too hard about it)The possibility of a character becoming a "Super Saiyan" of legend is first introduced once the characters reach Planet Namek, with the Namekian Elder wondering if the one to defeat such a genius member of the dragon clan was actually a "Super Saiyan", and in particular with Vegeta watching Goku's incredible growth and overpowering of the Ginyu Special Force, all the meanwhile reflecting on what he believed to just have been a legend of a "Super Saiyan" appearing once every one thousand years.
>>290105461>completely in characterIn character would be to steal the Dragon Balls and become immortal/super saiyan while Goku's gone. Everything after Freeza is a different person.>Cell literally got the upper hand on him and drained energy from Piccolo in addition to crippling him.That whole exchange was a fakeout. That's why Cell had to blind Piccolo and flee.Also the time travel is stupid, the rationale for letting Gero do whatever he wanted was pure sophistry, the powerscaling/feats were fucked beyond all repair, everything with Gohan is forced as fuck.
>>290106151>Roshi isn't immortal anymore.He's immortal, not invincible. What that means is that he can't die from old age, not that he can't be killed.
