She really is perfect.
>>290205203Indeed
>>290205203She's incredible math.
>>290205203>brownI will now watch your anime
That 6th episode was insane. Really enjoyed it but it's kinda sad the bad guy got taken out so quickly given he had history with Motoko. It's weird how he reacted before dying. Maybe he was mind controlled by the puppeteer?
>>290205222That's a nice run she's sitting on. Really ties the room together.
>>290205203so true
>>290208613That's just like, your ghost man
>>290205203She's goofy!
>>290205886Wow, where did she learn how to surf?
>>290206637He wasn't. But the Puppetmaster is aware of him. He'll be mentioned later, if Saru don't fuck up
>>290210332she's like Samus.Girls just wanna have fun, yknow
Okay NEXT EPISODE the Puppetmaster arc resumes.In case you aren't already familiar with the story, keep the following facts in mind:- In the opening of the show, Aramaki busted the silicon mines deal with the help of Foreign Affairs. This happened on 05/03/2029- Section 9 was able to solve the Gavel Republic case very easily because the assassination plot was sloppy as fuck (outdated virus, plenty of puppetmaster proxies out in the open, very conspicuous equipment, Togusa's ex-gf was involved, the hacker shows up while Cl. Malles is under surveillance)- the Minister of Foreign Affairs wanted to get rid of Cl. Malles cause he's a diplomatic liability, but also didn't want anything to do with the new government of the Gavel Republic because they just suck up international aid- Malles still controlled the platinum mines of his country- As a result of the botched assassination, the peace talks with the new government went nowhere, and Malles is behind bars.-Nakajima, a corrupt spook, was apparently behind it all but if he sure hired a SHIT hacker. He claimed to have been assigned to Malles' case.I also suggest that you rewatch episode 2 and take a look at some of the background characters for future reference.Am I missing anything crucial?
>>290206637For him, when Motoko made him kill his only son was the most important day of his life, for Motoko it was Tuesday. He was just an ass that ruined her day, thus no need to hear him have a villain monologue before capping that bitch.
>>290210708She truly is a lawnmower.The grim reaper rides a Johndeer.
>>290210316MARK IT ZERO
>>290210708except Motoko clearly also vividly remembers that encounter and surrounding events, misses her old comrades, expresses regret that she failed to kill him back then, and expresses anger and familiarity when executing him in the presentlet's not go overboard about how Motoko is cool and above it all
>>290210965>I'm sorry :(>that I failed to kill you >:)AttagirlThat's our major!
>>290210965what are you talking about, all she said is that he is the only one that managed to run away from them. And her angers towards the end was clearly the result from being almost killed in that day, not from any past reasons. The fact that she joked around before he attacked them in the panzer unit shows she didn't take it seriously at all>let's not go overboard about how Motoko is cool and above it allI didn't say that, what I said was that she made so many enemies in the past, that this one is not special among them.
Motoko is 100% BLACK
>>290211107shiiiiieeetNegrotoko works better than "Mira Kilian" desu
>>290211033>her angers towards the end was clearly the result from being almost killed in that day, not from any past reasonsthat's your interpretationmy interpretation is that she wouldn't wax philosophical about how he should stay in the other world if she didn't have unresolved business with himher remembering him alone makes it not a "it was tuesday" situation and there's all the other evidence I mentionedand well, the entire episode is structured around blast from the pastbut I don't like discussions about what we think the author thinks his character thinks and how she would show it, when there's no definite evidenceI believe I'm right, but I'm not going to spend too much energy convincing you, because who knows, maybe you're rightcheers
Anybody else thinks Apeface's russkie gf was supposed to look like an Enki Bilal character or is it just me?
>>290210477Extremely cute
>>290211502They both like to curl up into a ball, you see? This is part of a subliminal motif Shirow put all over the manga: a central hub with branching connections. This is how the Puppetmaster will appear as well
The major is NOT a "girlfailure", alright?She isn't settling down, she's just being realistic about her options and trying to find a good work/life balance without dismissing her previous commitments.She may have an entry-level chassis but she's decked out with tons of upgrades and NO, having 16^2 skin is STILL very rare, just because more girls can now afford it doesn't mean she's falling behind the curve.Besides, if she really was a girlfailure she'd have let Batou take a shot a long time ago. It hasn't happened yet, and won't happen anytime soon.I mean it's not like she's out there dating robots or anything, right? She's got some self-respect.
What a wanker. Glad he's gone.>>290211373
>>290211848I extend a sliver of goodwill and that's what I getmaybe acting like a tumblrina with other anons is more your speed
>>290211899pretty sure that's a random troll, anon
one thing to note is that Section 1 sold out Motoko just to get info and evidence on Anacondawhereas Section 9 skipped due process and straight up iced the guyso it's not just S9 mogging S1 due to S1's lower competence (although there's plenty of that, too)it's also that S9 sometimes makes things easier for themselves by going above the law, even in non-crisis situationsalthough I suppose S1 also aren't saints, since I doubt selling out fellow government operatives is legalso perhaps it's more accurate to say both sections tried to play dirty, S9 just did it better
>>290212032>sometimesI mean 95% of the time is technically some of the time I guess
>>290211817>She isn't settling downThere's no real reason for her to settle since she can't have kids due to her whole body being artifical sexbot.
>>290212048Settling down as in settling for something lower than she'd like. Which she definitely isn't doing.
>>290212032I don't think S9 skipped due process, after all as Mokoto said, she intended to celebrate with other top generals and stuff the successful assassination, including all proper formal military uniform. Meaning, everything was going by the book. It's S1 that was being entirely corrupt.After all the entire reason why Mokoto wanted to create a division inside the governments military for her own unit is so that she can do all the stuff she does legally.
>>290212155I thought it had more to do with job security
>>290212198well, because being a soldier is all she knew, and being 99.99% cyborg means she needs a lot of money to keep her body in shape anyway.
>>290208663>JudasThat asteroid can't come soon enough.
>>290212155I'm not convincedif S9 had the evidence, then why go for the assassination? S1 made it seem like they needed legal legs to stand on, not that they were inapable of offing Anaconda themselvesmeeting with generals doesn't necessarily mean it's above the boardthe scene opens with Aramaki explaining you should learn to control the terrorism rather than try to exterminate it, which again is an extralegal measureAramaki literally says to him you shoud go for results first, principles secondit all aligns with S9 way of doing work, and this episode themesI think they just got together to smoke some cuban cigars and congratulate themselves for a job well done
>>290212329ntaI agree
>>290212329>if S9 had the evidence, then why go for the assassination?to get a scumbag off the eartheveryone knows crime lords just pay their way out of prison. Even if they end up in prison, they have henchmen that will continue to do their business.Remember this is a dystopian view of the future, where even child slavery is accepted by the government.
>>290212377correct, which is why they didn't try to do it above board.
>>290212985Not sure how I feel about the triangular texture on the padding there, doesn't look like how Shirow would approach it, feels like texture for the sake of texture
what a cute little creature!
Shirow-sensei...
Behind scenes stuffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZZoL_IoBZs
>>290214746I'm starting to think the whole "cosmic seeds" plot was just an elaborate ploy by Shirow to draw weird porn of the major without it upsetting Kodansha>no, editor-san, this is TECHNICALLY not Motoko, this is Motoko 19, you see? She goes by uuuuhhhh Cyril Brooklyn
>>290214935Motoko is very /fa/
>>290215033All Shirow girls are very effay.Deunan regularly gets full pin-up panels to show off her new fits
>>290214935why don't they show us the bikini model sheet of the boat scene?
>>290214963But that hoe doesn't even look like Kusanagi.
"Son, we have Ghost in the shell at home">Ghost in the shell at home
>>290215275are you implying there is something wrong with key the metal idol?i remember loving the series but i last watched it decades
>>290215275Imo Key is not that bad, and it would have been a lot better if the first film wasn't just an hour long exposition monologue stating plainly all the mysteries that had been established and instead let the viewer guess what it was all about based on the hints provided throughout the series
>>290214746shame about the text, it's a good bikini design
>>290211107
>we gottem boys>should we tell the other sections?>no I like surprisesBasically.
So, this series is a standalone adaptation of the manga right?Itās not in the same continuity as the movies or the 2000s anime?
>>290215275I like it a lot but let's be honest, it has almost nothing to do with GitS.Like there's psychics, there's robots, and that's about it.If you mean it has a GIANT INFODUMP that's pretty standard, it's just the kishoutenketsu structure aka OH SHIT WE TOOK TOO LONG NOW THE THIRD ACT HAS TO HAPPEN IN THE LAST 5 MINUTES QUICK QUICK QUICK
>>290215536correctwhich is funny cause the manga is not a stand-alone thing
>>290214746Cyril likes it.
>>290215463Yes, on a leash and in shibari bondage, as well as other soft BDSM implements and fetishwear.
>>290214935
>>290215634She HATES it.
>>290215815Sure she does. We'll put out a section-wide memo to make sure to let everyone know she isn't into any of that stuff, how does that sound?
>>290215583Elaborate.I feel that this standalone issue is complex.
>>290215815>>290215634
>>290215919I mean the manga's got a bunch of sequels and spinoffs (most of which are porn) and it ends on sequelbait. And some of those (like I dunno Real Drive) were advertised as part of SAC so it really makes things confusing cause they actually make way more sense within the manga continuity from what little I know.
>>290216007>Real DriveWait, what?
>>290216189Maybe I got that wrong then. I thought I saw somewhere that it was connected to SAC, but like I said, makes way more sense if it isn't.It is connected to GitS though, they even did some kind of real drive / GitS / Black Magic M-66 spinoff called Black Magic Ghost Drive but it looked kinda shit
>>290216007maybe it was a situation where other manga is in the same continuity unless the anime decides to depart from it?after all, SAC is Oshii, manga is Masamune
>>290216253>>290216253>9/11Oh no...I told you we needed that WTC edit.
>>290216263>It is connected to GitS thoughWell it's a Production IG and Shirow collab with multiple terms and technologies shared between it and GiTS so comparisons are bound to happen
>>290216312I'm probably just wrong about the SAC connexion.
>>290216341No I mean it's canon within the GitS IP, that I'm 100% sure of.
>>290216399It's been years since I watched Real Drive, but I'm going to press X to doubt unless you can prove it. By which I mean not just three being similar things in universe but actual word of Shirow that they're part of the same universe
>>290216449I think I saw that on the show's website; regardless, even if that wasn't originally the case, there's still Black Magic Ghost Drive.
>>290216449my nipponese is only so-so, but jap wikipedia does have something about how it started as a shared universe with SAC at leastbut then drifted apart, I think?
>>290211373didnt she literally just slit his throat in the middle of combat with a greater threat with no mention of it though
>>290216614there we go I wasn't 100% making shit up
>>290216614>>290216684>It shares some of the same settings and concepts as Production I.G and Masamune Shirowās Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex series, but it is not, at least in terms of the story, a direct sequel. Rather, the work aims to depict a future world that lies beyond the world of Ghost in the Shell, making it, so to speak, a kind of "sister work" or companion piece.Which is pretty much exactly what I said in the first place about it having the same concepts, etc. (>>290216341)
>>290216670no, that was a random S1 schmuckSouma was the one in the tank
>>290216714yeah except "the same settings" is a bit more than just concepts. You can see the ambiguity there.
>>290216758>Ghost in the Shell and Non Non Biyori both take place in JapanClearly they must be in the same universe as they share some of the same settings
>>290216739i thought soma must be the one in the tank since one would assume he's more important and motoko fucked up his face but they kept showing that fat spic she slit the throat of throughout the episode and in reference to soma stuff so idk nigga
>>290216789I dunno if that's sarcasm, but if it isn't, then yeah that's why I claimed it was canon.As opposed to how Shirow described Dominion Conflict as an "alternate universe" compared to Dominion.
>>290216810then check again nigga, it's very clearly spelled out multiple times
>>290216864Anon, is Neuromancer in the same universe as Ghost in the Shell?
>>290217052Burning Chrome is.
>>290213025 it's like a motorcycle seat texture. that's the spirit of what shirow was going for but he'd probably go for a ribbed padding specifically
>>290216917sorry nigga, soma is that fat spicit's been decided
>>290217148I like you, you're the one I like
>>290217052A setting is a place, right? I know Newport also appears in non-canon works, for example, so it doesn't automatically imply canonicity. But unless there's some contradiction in continuity, the natural assumption to make is that it does take place in the same universe, isn't it?Plus "sister work" sounds a lot like spin-off to me, so even if it's not part of SAC, it can be part of the manga continuityUnless I'm missing something.
>>290217198S9 needs to accidentally merc you down while forging a paper trailfor a good cause, of course
>>290217294i trust in the major to put my death by alcoholism to good use
>Make major into a cute baddie>Suddenly series skyrockets in popularity.IT WAS THAT EASY.
>>290217344They tried making her cute in 2045 too but it's really not the same kind of cute
>>290216189the only thing I know about this is the thicc woman
>>290208613>>290210316>>290210792Big Lebowski references on /a/ now? I guess the zoomers have not raided the thread yet.
>>290205203why is she brown now
>>290217678>she's brown now!?she's brown now!
>>290217678They turned on the Mexico filter
>>290217265>A setting is a placeNo, and this is the point that I've been making: "Setting" does not simply mean "a place." In fiction, setting can mean the whole framework of a work: time period, technology, institutions, terminology, social conditions, geography, and other world building assumptions. In fact the word čØå® (settei) used in the image from earlier explicitly means concepts/world building/configuration, not its geographical location.>Newport also appears in non-canon works, for example, so it doesn't automatically imply canonicity. But unless there's some contradiction in continuity, the natural assumption to make is that it does take place in the same universe, isn't it?Again, no. Continuity needs positive evidence, not merely an absence of contradictions. Two unrelated stories can avoid contradicting each other simply because neither discusses the relevant events. If they're connected then provide what it is rather than just saying that "well I think they are so it must be true">Plus "sister work" sounds a lot like spin-off to me, so even if it's not part of SAC, it can be part of the manga continuity"sister work" does not mean "spin-off." "Sister work" is a loose description of a close creative relationship: similar concepts, shared staff/creator, thematic kinship, or development alongside another production (you know the stuff I pointed out). It doesn't inherently say anything about diegetic continuity. Production I.G's own page presents RD as an original Production I.G/Shirow project and describes its 2061 world and Meta-Real Network on its own terms; it does not present it as a Ghost in the Shell installment or sequel.And even "spin-off" wouldn't automatically solve the problem. A spin-off can itself occupy an alternate continuity.tl;dr: Shared setting elements ā shared continuity. Shared location ā shared continuity. "Sister work" ā spin-off. And absence of contradiction ā evidence of canonicity.
>>290217678She's a normal girl. A well-adjusted, proper, self-respecting and socially responsible grown-ass woman. A genuine yamato nadeshiko.Not a psychopathic tomboy at all.
>>290217678this is Browntoko
>>290217788Okay here's the way I look at it.In the absence of contradicting evidence, it takes exactly 1(one) piece of positive evidence for "these two stories take place in the same universe" to be the null hypothesis.However, it only takes 1(one) piece of contradicting evidence (if it's obvious enough and can't be dismissed as a joke or something) to prove that this cannot be the case. I don't know if there's any such thing withing Real Drive. If there is, I'll be happy to consider it a different universe altogether.>concepts/world building/configurationsounds like a fair amount of positive evidence.>A spin-off can itself occupy an alternate continuity.Never seen that term used that way.
>>290217895Nagatoko
should i buy a philip k dickhead book or should i pirate one instead
>>290217788I think at the very least the quote proves that both works share ancestryso it's more than a few common elements and concepts, but rather at some point in the past both continuities were identical, before they diverged
if they wanted to resemble the hair color from the manga why wasn't her hair red/pink in this scene?
>>290218103the last episode should just be a splitscreen of shirow himself masturbating on one side and niggerdick on the other
>>290217944>>290218055Prove it then.
>>290205203I hate any pre-2000s anime artstyle. Especially if they actually use fashion/hairstyle choices from like the 1980s. Maybe GITS's pre-2000s artstyle would look nice if only the hairstyle of the major was updated to look more like a sexy 2020s female hairstyle.
>>290218143eh there's technopaths, there's cyberbrains, there's operators.Now, if the show says WW3 never happened or something that blatantly contradicts GitS then yeah it's a different universe. >>290218055yeah but which version of GitS are we talking about and how strong is the connexion exactly?I mean I don't actually care that much, I just wanna find out if I was way off base or not.
>>290218193name ten sexy 2020s female hairstyles
>>290208663>that artistIlya Kuvshnov is addicted to ambient occlusion in his "art".He's got that AI-generated look down before AIslop was ever a thing.
>>290218143like I said, the quote is "RD began in the same setting as SAC"whether present SAC or past SAC is ambiguousthis is all I'm going on, I didn't even watch Real Drivebut it seems like it should be enough
>>290218193you're fucking dead, kiddo
>>290218217>there's technopaths, there's cyberbrains, there's operators.Your Forma had those, must be in the same universe I guess.>WW3 never happenedIt didn't>>290218240And you don't actually understand what the word "setting" means, despite having it explained to you several times. So again: Prove they're in the same universe
>>290210332I loved that moment
>>290215275What happened with this show? Did the writers go on strike after Tussle in the Temple? The second half of the OVA's are just the characters standing around telling the viewer what they need to be doing, or going out to eat to talk about what they need to be doing, or telling you things that already happened, followed by AN HOUR-LONG EPISODE where most of its runtime is detectiveman recapping to boyfriend every single event that happened in the series without answering a single question or introducing anything new.I'm still livid over this series, mostly because of how strong it comes on in the beginning.
I finished all 3 volumes of Shirow's GITS and enjoyed them a lot.Now I've started reading Human Algorithm, I appreciate all the MMI stuff but why the fuck is Motoko now like "if plot device you wish to see, solve my riddles three!" Hardly seems in-character
>>290218489Key was originally intended to be a 26-episode OVA series, but the collapse of the Japanese economy in the mid-'90s led to declining sales. It was cut short and the story arc that would have been developed over the rest of the series was summarized in two 90-minute episodes.
>>290212032Should have told S1 sooner Anaconda was dead and the Episode wouldn't have happened
>>290218339>And you don't actually understand what the word "setting" means, despite having it explained to you several times. So again: Prove they're in the same universethis is getting tiresomeI said already what is my understanding of the situationrepeating prove it, prove it brings nothing new to the discussion
>>290219388>this is getting tiresomeThat's the first intelligent thing you've said>I said already what is my understanding of the situationAnd you've been repeatedly told that your understanding of multiple terms is wrong you extraneously chromosomed afterbirth.>repeating prove it, prove it brings nothing new to the discussionRepeating "but my incorrect understanding of the English language, the Japanese language, and the methods by which people talk about media says I'm right though" brings nothing new to the discussion and yet here you go once again. Now either prove that they're in the same universe or shut the fuck up.
>>290205203How are you so sure is a she? Where is the evidence?
>>290220752>evidenceMotoko doesn't know how to walk with a penis.
>>290218607She was bored.
>>290219967>you've been repeatedly told that your understanding of multiple terms is wrongmaybe you just suck at explainingalso, you've been talking with multiple people
>>290222067>I'm a retard spoon feed meI accept your concession
>>290222100I'm not the one who keeps asking for "proof"but I don't give a damn what you think and I wasn't trying to convince you in the first place
>>290222196Whatever you say little man
>>290222273whatever gets you through the day dude
how many episodes are left?
>>290218339I'm the anon you were responding to right here, the other guy you're currently arguing with is another>It didn'tWell then here we go, different universe.Good enough for me.>>290223972three, maaaybe four>>290218607Yeah it's annoying, and at the end of the manga they're RIGHT BACK WHERE THEY STARTED because she's gonna keep doing the same shit whenever she needs their help.It's not a very Motoko thing to do but it's a Puppetmaster thing to do. I wish they'd get that pesky AI out of her head at this point honestly.
>>290218607if I'm playing devil's advocate I guess you can chalk it up to her trying not to fuck with the strands of fate through direct intervention too much especially after her latest experiment resulted in a lot of collateral damage.But who am I kidding, there's still a giant Royal Rumble AI war on the horizon at this point in the timeline
>>290205203if she's perfect why does she screw up every other episode then?
>>2902052032017 movie > every GITS media ever made
>>290225347kill yourself
>>290205203is this anime following the manga exactly?
>>290225402yes
>>290225347>2017 movieI was supposed to go see this piece of shit back in the day with a good online friend but he cancelled on me like an hour before and we stopped speaking not long after. At least he refunded me his half of the ticket.I never did go see it.
>>290225766check it out, they did a good job with the practical effects and set design of some stuff
>>290225347Ayy lmao.
>>290218229>addicted to ambient occlusionanon....did you mean to say chromatic aberration
>>290218229>addicted to ambient occlusionanon....did you mean to say film grain
next episodes are gonna be super serious
>make kurosagi a bart simpson main>shameless lesbian sex scenes>retarded family guy style episode writing and pacing>nonsensical political quips inserted>battou written as a bozo>bart simpson dressing as spike spiegalyep the future for fat brown anime likers is brightnot even a ghjost in the shell fan but this shit is so trashy and brown coded its unreal. just low effort low quality trashy ass anime
>>290205203She is a brain and a spine.
>>290211107is that a block of c4 shoved up his ass lol
>>290216007Real Drive was apart of the SAC universe? Never knew that
>>290212311seethe, nerd.
>>290227035retard
>>290205203if section 9 is this competent how is the puppet master making them all look like retards?
>>290218193This is such an unbelievably dogshit take I can only assume this to be ragebait.
Potemkin's design has to be based a little on Batou right? He's got the slick-back hair, the ponytail, the muscles, the weird fucked up eyes. It's even more prevalent in-game.
>>290218607I'm shocked to say this but Motoko was by far the thing I enjoyed the LEAST out of Human Algo. There's a lot of fun stuff in there, and at the fect least Motoko is being a bit cheeky this time around (unlike in MMI where she was too serious) and teases people like she used to, but it's really shocking how uninteresting she's become when compared to how she started out. She's just a proxy between the Channeling Agency's shenanigans and S9 and that's kinda lame.The worst part is that, NOT ONLY do they keep cockteasing her reunion with S9 without ever committing, they also keep lampshading the fact that they're cockteasing us. So I can't even gaslight myself into thinking I'm the only one who feels that way. They KNOW it's dumb and annoying, they TELL us it's dumb and annoying, and I don't find it cute. At least Tsunagi is fun as hell, but she ends up making Motoko seem lamer by contrast (like Tamaki in MMI)It's not like we're seeing her evolve as a character anyway. When she got cosmic powers Seska was still facing adversity and getting her comeuppance when she fucked up, unlike Motoko.And it sure as fuck doesn't help that they made her look like ScarJew.Thanks for reading my blogpost
>>290227203Apparently, turns out it isn't, but the original idea was that it was gonna be
>>290227365If anything it made them look like geniuses by spoonfeeding them clues to solve a case.They would never have solved it if the assassination wasn't some convoluted rube goldberg machine with fifteen points of failure>>290226409probably on par with Robot Rondo in terms of seriousness.Remember Motoko goes gremlin a few times during the final infodump too.>>290225829>practical effectsoh yeah like what? The geisha mask? Big fucking deal, it doesn't even look like it's from the same universe, it's some Del Toro clockwork thing when cyborgs have transparent muscles and shit. The design language of that movie is fucking schizophrenic.
>>290205203they ruined this series.
>>290228755it's okay, yurifag, there's still a non-zero chance the puppetmaster will have be female this time aroundI won't bet on it though
I know he wanted to build towards something greater but I wish he kept GitS as a slightly more serious Dominion with its cool week to week adventures and action. Or hell maybe I wouldn't give a shit if this fat faggot actually gave us more than one volume of Conflict 1. It's hard when you get something short and sweet but leaves you wanting more.
>>290228998yeah and we still don't know what the handsome guy's deal wasyou know the guy who got the pumas onto the forcemaybe he's a bioroid or somethingvery frustrating cause it's the ONLY plot thread left hanging in an otherwise airtight and intricate series of A B C D E F G plots
>>290225347After watching the current anime this statement might be true.
>>290229054Wasn't it just 'they bribed him?' I could believe there's a little more going on there but they also give us a little more like how it's good publicity and what not. The answer could be something as simple and stupid as "he wanted to be a punk and join Buaku's gang but was too much of a pussy" or "he's got a hard-on for the sexy amazon catgirls" but it's not too pressing.I just wanted to see more of my favorite retards, my favorite tomboy, my favorite tanks, and stupid police office drama, especially from the menopausal slut division.
>>290229154he says he's "like them" whatever that means
>>290227035>make kurosagi a bart simpson mainShe should switch to Marge since she has the best weapon range in the Simpsons arcade game.
>>290230157>No nipples
>>290230135>>290230157Mechabarefags rejoice!
Poster for next ep
>>290205203I cant take this seriously once i realized the author draws blacked porn kek
>>290231013Imagine ever taking anime seriously. What a loser.
>>290231075Its more like not watching it at allThe author being mind broke is funny tho ngtl
What happened to Shirow between GITS 1 and 2? I finished the first one is just 2 days and when I opened the second one, I completely lost the interest. Almost everything about it seems like it was a fanfic rather than a sequel. First there are so many colored pages but all of them look worse than in the first volume. The only nice parts were black and white. Visually, overall, it's a mess. Those 3D models look cheap, same with all cyber world stuff. Instead of silly fuchikomas you have those ugly blobs. Then there's a "plot". A bunch of pseudo psychological techno babble for three hundred pages.
>>290231981A few more words. 2 has almost none of the things that I liked in 1. Instead it seems like a distilled version focused solely that cyber bullshit.
>>290205203Been hyped about this anime since the announcement, since loved SaC and all the nitty-gritty cyberpunk SpecOps day to day work. Not the biggest fan of the movies, although I enjoyed them for what they were.Didn't get much time to catch up with the show, I'm still on Ep3. The art and animation is great, as are the VAs. But... what the hell is that breakneck pacing?
Have you seen it? Shirow was involved in this.
>>290210332She's incredible goof
>>290233031How gay it is?
I don't get it, why was her hair brown this episode?
>>290230940have you got the posters for the other eps?
>>290234128If you scroll back through the official twitter they post them there
Will this get 2nd season?
>>290231981>Then there's a "plot". A bunch of pseudo psychological techno babble for three hundred pages.This was already sneaking its way into volume 1 in places. 2 is just Shirow fully pursuing the esoteric spiritual shit and autistic technological speculation that interests him a lot more than the framework of a cop show ever did. Everything that used to be dense footnotes became the entire manga. It's his true self and I respect that.I bet there would have been a ton more cyberspace diving in the earlier volumes (probably to their detriment) if he'd had all those computer graphics available to him, thinking how long he must have spent creating these overwhelming eye rapes of detail is astounding.
>>290234128https://www.theghostintheshell-anime.jp/gallery/
IT'S UP
blue hair is back
Would you?
>>290205203>Be me. >Read the original uncensored manga back in the day.>Scroll through /a/ see "She" >Laugh and carry on.
>>290235537Average femanon.
>>290205203it's GitS
>>290235562que?
>>290231981ShirÅ-Sensei didn't write it. The only input he had in any GitS product other than the manga is the PS1 game.
>>290235145I don't really envy them the task of trying to turn Man-Machine Interface into something entertaining. Sorry to the anon who likes it.
I watched the first 3 minutes only
But I want her to be pregnantā¦
I'm not quite up to date on Shirow's weitd techno spiritualism, what exactly happened when major connected with the puppet master? Is that the "cyborgs can see the future/have ESP powers if they turn off their sensors" thing?
>>290235824On top of being highly graphic, comedic and ultra violent. The original manga implied (never actually showed their life before being digitised) that they were a boy before the accident.The story is about gender, sexuality, identity etc. When you body is a machine and you're going through puberty as a cyberbrain who exactly are you?
>>290211467I noticed that too
good news, Motoko is now Christian tradwife and no longer a lesbian degenerate
>>290236102ItŹ¼s bad news.
>trans colorsthis shot will be used in every trans profile pic
>>290236047Interesting, it's been a bit since I read it, when/where was that implied?I heard somewhere else too in relation to SAC that apparently motoko deleted several portions of her early and pre-cyber memories
2deep4me
>>290236047>The original manga impliedThat's more of a fan theory that could potentially be true but not something that's certain.
That what she said.
>>290236205The original conversation "she" has when she gets the male body. It's literally referred to as their "old self." Later official translations as well as taking out the sex scenes also removed these comments.
Juice.
>>290230791only if female voiceif male voice I'll be like "eh">>290232190dumb brat!>>290236044yep and since the puppetmaster was dying, she channeled its dying consciousness, turning it into a disembodied ghost>>290236186Nowhere at all, he's trolling you, dude>>290236205Well it could potentially be true in the sense that Aramaki could potentially be a gerbil piloting a human-sized mech.Nothing supports it, there's plenty of evidence that suggests the exact opposite, but it's not literally impossible.So if you're gonna support the male Motoko theory I'll support the gerbil Aramaki theory.
>>290236205>>290236304>her old selfLmao you don't even know where she got that male body.
When will this "another episode that covers a manga part that the GitS 1995 movie made good" stop???
>>290235824Nothing, you're being goofed on by a guy who doesn't even know GitS enough to come up with plausible bullshit.see>>290236047>digitisedBro doesn't even know how becoming a cyborg works. He probably never even watched the show or the movie, let alone read the manga.
Note: The "MAG Union"(?) referred to in this episode is actually the USA in the source material.
>>290236047>The story is about gender, sexuality, identity etc. When you body is a machine and you're going through puberty as a cyberbrain who exactly are you?Oh my god so brave and powerfulI love they/thexm
>>290236560>Nothing, you're being goofed on by a guy who doesn't even know GitS enough to come up with plausible bullshit.Nah, I believe her, you sound like a malding Motoko waifufag
>>290236531We've established by now that you haven't seen the movie. So I'd like to hear you explain in detail the differences between that scene in movie and that scene in the source material, cause that's gonna be funny as fuck.Not why one is better than the other, mind you, just how they differ.
>>290236563ah yes, the Make America Great Union.inspired stuff
Ah I see /a/ still stands for autism.
>>290236641>We've established by now that you haven't seen the movie.I know that you're probably the "one guy" of this thread (the big shill who is 24/7 in whatever this-must-be-popular anime) but I hate to break it to you - everyone who is making fun of this anime is a different person. You're just projecting yourself onto your "nemesis" when in fact /a/ itself is full of your "nemeses". But feel free to link to the last time "we" talked, I can use a good laugh.
>>290236445>It's a Batou doesn't even bother to inspect an aftermarket model he got from Craigslist because he's a dumbass episode
Really good episode. They killed it and I feel comfortable saying the visuals and music made that sequence more effective than the manga version, it conveys Motoko's sheer "holy shit" spiritual experience with more impact and the finale will feel better-earned as a result.
>>290236738I reiterate:explain in detail the differences between that scene in movie and that scene in the source material
>>290205203
>>290236789Oh it's even worse than that. You'll see.Anyway the point is, it's absolutely not one of Motoko's old shells.
>I am GesthalWow she's larping as Final Fantasy 6 now. Embarrassing.>mid anime rips off FF6>meanwhile good manga inspired FF6 (Hyskoa created Caefca)
>>290210792>>290210316>>290208613Great, now we need to commission an artist to draw Motoko Togusa and Batou like this.
>>290236805did they go for a male voice for 2501 again?I'm not seeing yurifags baseding out so I'm assuming they did
>>290236835>explain in detail the differences between that sceneSee? Mentally ill schizo & shill is shitting himself and he wants me to pretend I am his boyfriend. Pathetic bait + dodging. Link the last post in "our conversation" next or else I am accepting your concession, you cowardly little maggot.I can't read thoughts and even if I could I definitely wouldn't find any in your head.
>>290236878I could, but it's gonna be sloppy as shit on short noticemight as well do the normal thing and ask grok
>>290236563What legally-distinct names will they invent for Israel and Mossad in the last couple of episodes? Epstadt and Zoggio?
>>290236941>might as well do the normal thing and ask grokYour Saru GITS enjoyer, 'ladies' and gentlemen.
>>290236861
>>290236961isn'treal
>>290236931lmao let's make it easier for you.Who is Nakamura and what does he want?
>>290236899No it was clearly a woman's voice here. Wasn't especially yurified though.
What the fuck did I just watch
next ep starts with this
>>290237007Oh good! Very happy to hear that, I've had arguments about this in the past because Toren Smith went with "he" for convenience's sake in the manga translation.This also means I can masturbate to 2501 without any risk of it being gay.
>>290237001>lmaoConcession accepted.>let's make it easier for you.Double concession accepted.>Who is Nakamura and what does he want?He's Togusa's voice actor.Never touch me with your filthy hands again, you pathetic loser.
Barbie dolls look so awful
>>290237017Unironically: a spirit medium who doesn't know she's a spirit medium inadvertently helps a robot's soul pass on to the afterlife and is flabbergasted by what she sees.
>>290237017>What the fuck did I just watchSlop for broccoli haired easily impressed NPCs.
lol
>>290237127Motoko is a zoomette herself, please understand>>290237113She's bimbomaxxed. Nipple removal is the next step in bimbo evolution and it's hella hot
>>290235145Thankfully no.
>>290237143Man, even besides the obvious nipple removal, the breast shapes also look like shit.
>>290236193Nah, it's just deep enough for you, don't sell yourself short honey.
>>290237123A spirit medium? In MY gritty cyberpunk thriller?
>>290237251More likely than you think. Completely bog-standard in the 80s and 90s as a matter of fact.>Angel Cop>Akira>Lain>Key the Metal Idol >Genocyberoff the dome
So Motoko was just about to become a wave of pure energy and merge with the collective consciousness of the universe, but first thing next episode Batou is going to yank her back to the shitty real world? Wow, that sucks. That must be what heroin users feel like whenever they sober up.
>>290237342No she's not gonna "become" a wave of pure energy she's just doing some astral projectionYour soul is still tethered to your body by the Silver Cord, it's like the thing surfers have on their ankle that connects them to their surfboard, but for your brain.it only snaps when you die
>>290237341I completely forgot about hoe weird Key got towards the end
>>290237073>He's Togusa's voice actor.Yeah, but what does he want? Besides playing vidya with Sugita.
>>290237520I love how even Motoko's ghost is all floofyshe can change her hairstyle all she wants in meatspace but the floof is literally built into her soul
Does this need to be spoilered or not, I really can't tell.
>>290237484>Yeah, but what does he want?I think he wants to have sex with at least one 16 year old J-POP idol.
>>290237765Way worse than Illyasviel, looks like something you'd get out of an LLM when you ask "draw sexy robocop doing the GITS pose". But since it's a Japanese, no one will criticize this.
>>290236443OMFG teh Rei
>>290237765My nigga Robocop trooned out? The horror.
>>290237996Sorayama was doing the visor thing before Robocop came out
>>290237876ŠŠ“Šø Š½Š°Ń ŃŠ¹, ŠŠ»ŃŃ, Š½ŠøŠŗŃŠ¾ ŃŠµŠ±Ń Š½Šµ Š»ŃŠ±ŠøŃ
>>290237842Doesn't everyone?
just checked the manga and this "Majora Mask" tree with the evil shadow isn't in it at all, as well as some other stuff, and the scene is much shorter. Manga accurate my ass
>>290235969wahaha
>>290238263Yeah that's fucking weirdis this happening before or after>>290237520?they better not pull a Mamoru Oshii on us and reveal this was all a simulated experience all along there
Maybe the ghost was really in the shell after all.
>>290238322Consciousness is just ghost trapped in the shell.Shell is just light organisized
>>290238185>ŠŠ“Šø Š½Š°Ń ŃŠ¹, ŠŠ»ŃŃ, Š½ŠøŠŗŃŠ¾ ŃŠµŠ±Ń Š½Šµ Š»ŃŠ±ŠøŃI played enough dota 2 to know that this means "hah, hahaha, NTRR, nobody you is love.
>>290238322What if we're all ghosts in the shell? Pretty spooky.
>>290238378>Consciousness is just ghost trapped in the shell.nah, that's just neo-religious larp
>>290238417And other such attempts at small talk from Costanza to his new girlfriend Motoko Kusanagi
>>290225347>Takeshi Kitano: ohhh noooo i will never participate in video games again because they're dumb, i'll stick with comedy shows and movies as they're clearly a better media>also Takeshi Kitano: let's act in this piece of shit made by westerners, and let's do it half-assed at that, not even bothering to speak some semblance of english
>>290236878Don't forget Togusa at the back or a Tachikoma
Honestly, Saru never made a single good anime, they just helped with Ping Pong.
What did I just watch?
>>290238650Kino
>>290235562Shirou himself said Major = natural born womanShove your tranny fanfic back to the gundumb threads you freak.
>>290238650Latent Happosai genetics.
I swear this is the output from a scanning electron microscope. Boy and His Atom comes to mind.
>>290238751It's not. It's clearly CGI.
>>290237765I remember the old loverboy albuns too.
>>290238650gremlinizationEveryone is subject to it. It's contagious
>>290237876Sorayama's been drawing Sexy Robocop since before Robocop itself was even a thing.
>>290238855motoko has no shameeven when she's wearing a skirt she must show her pantsu. What's wrong with her?
Was the minister's"international rescue unit" dig a Thunderbirds reference?
>>290238751It's for sure meant to look like that, as a more cinematic substitute for the diagrams that were used in the manga.
Anyone got that image of akira walking towards the motorcycle but it's motoko and a fuchi?
Why we never get a female Robocop movie?
>>290238919I'm about 60% sure I saw Shirow mention Captain Scarlet in one of his lengthy afterwords so I'm gonna say yes.
>>290236993moss'aint
>>290238936>akira walking towards the motorcycleCowboy BeBop at his computer.
>>290238936>akira walking towards the motorcycle
>>290238946We did.It's called Lady Battle Cop and it ALSO has psychics. It's pretty decent toku, go watch it
>>290238990ye? thats what I said, bet you didn't even watch akira noob
Why did one of these pig things flash up for a few frames during Motoko's wild ride? I need someone who recognises what they are to tell me because I only know them from this one page of MMI lol.
>>290238869I would fuck that robot
>>290238992Champion tennis player Kaoru Okoshiba, mortally wounded by terrorists from the mysterious Cartel organization, is revived as the cyborg Battlecop, who seeks revenge against her assailants and their superiors.Sounds stupid.
>>290239083Motoko is likely having premonitions of the futureYou see she says right before merging with the puppetmaster that she has foreseen that she wouldso in order to substantiate this, Saru are dropping little hints of her future in there to show that she did indeed get glimpses of the futureThat's my interpretation anyway
>>290238543I don't think she'll be his for long after what happened this week. I still have no clue what it was, but I doubt she's coming back from it the way she went in.Still hoping to draw some art of the two, though. It's funny.This is to say, I get the feeling she's going to get a lot more serious in the next two episodes. Again, don't know what happened here, but I doubt bonus pay and vacation will be the most important things she thinks of anymore. I think I'm going to miss that side of her. From what little I've seen of MMI, that Motoko seems more serious, less playful. You could say the color has left her eyes. >>290238955>Captain ScarletI wonder if they find the show more believable in this world, considering many cyborgs are almost as indestructible and many AIs are pretty much immortal. Also, what is it with Gerry Anderson and Japan? Anno and Shirow both seem really into it.
>>290239127Correct, it's tokusatsu. Go watch it.
>>290239091>>290239114Does she wear sunglasses just to look cool? Or are cyborg eyes are sensitive to light?
>>290230940>Guy with the prosthetic chin
>>290239245Just to look cool, she doesn't really need them cause her cyborg eyes have natural filter in them if needed.
>>290239166Costanza does have a killcount. She better get the hell out of dodge. give it a shot, why not >This is to say, I get the feeling she's going to get a lot more serious in the next two episodes.Next one for sure, but the last one will probably have a couple of goofs.>From what little I've seen of MMI, that Motoko seems more serious, less playful. You could say the color has left her eyes. Yeah kinda, it's a bummer. She's still playful in Human Algo though, but not in a bratty way like she used to be
seen crazy shit man crazy shit
>>290230940thats the poster for this episode, idiot
>>290239336you know full well I posted that about 7 hours before it aired you little imp
>>290238955Based. I know Japan loved the Anderson stuff, for obvious reasons, but it's cool to see a reference in 2026. Amazingly, I started watching Thunderbirds again for the first time in twenty years just yesterday.
Project 2501 has a pretty voice! And it sounds properly robotic so that's an extra charm point.What's her name anyway ?, Puppetmaster, Project 2501 or just 2501? We could also call her Marina, they didn't show that name for nothing, after all.What do we think, chat?
>>290239166>Also, what is it with Gerry Anderson and Japan? Anno and Shirow both seem really into it.Mainly nostalgia, as most of his shows aired in Japan. Thunderbirds in particular was a pretty big hit.
Shit taste
>>290239512Ningyoutsukai
Sex
>>290239114>>290239245>>290239279Better to look good than to have the distractions of another agent who needs backup.
Nice
>>290239527Anglo detected.>>290239546gomenasai, /a/
>>290239527Rain is great except the wet part.
Cute
>>290239590>Anglo detected.No
Love the colors
>>290239635the major is such a cutie!>>2902396272501 is so pretty!They're both my wives.
>>290239608>Rain is great except the wet partYou need a little suck in your life to make the little pleasures feel big. Like when you get caught in the rain and get to take a moment to appreciate the scenery when you take cover under something. Or getting soaked and coming home to a nice hot bath or shower.
Okay no seriously though I'm pretty sure water in the manga is supposed to have some psychic symbolism, like it binds stuff together or something, like it helps Motoko channel.In the movie it's a bit different
>>290239674>>Rain is great except the wet partSo someone should invent dry rain then.
>>290239789great idea. Let's give it a name.How about "snoo"?
>>290239674It arguably isn't worth the in-between part where I get stuck trudging around in warm, wet shoes for a couple of hours.
>>290239608I hate rain. It makes my nose itch, it gives me headaches, brain fog, sore wrists and restless leg syndrome, it brings out all the nasty smells that are normally stuck at ground level, it makes driving a pain in the ass, it floods your fucking basement every other year, and it makes the pavement dirtier because all the detriti stick to the ground instead of being swept away by the wind.And on top of that it's cold and wet.
>>290239555DO NOT sex the roadkill, anon
>>290239935>And on top of that it's cold and wet.Just like Motoko's cyberpuss
>>290214935for me it's the puffy cyber-trenchcoat
>>290240018I like her tibetan costume, it looks comfy, makes her look extra huggable.>>290239975hey now.she isn't a cold fish if that's what you're insinuating that'd be Oshiitoko
Is this where the plot gets all trippy and religious?
>>290240111you bet!I'm glad they went full hog with the trippiness cause it really emphasizes how different Oshii's approach was when it came to religious stuff. Hopefully that'll help.
>>290239083I think these are katoributa. They're used for burning mosquito coils to keep them away during the summer. Maybe they're there to keep away the internet mosquitos.
>>290240111>Is this where the plot gets all trippyTrippy trips.Yeah but only when she's talking to the poopmaster. Outside of that it's still your government military/spy antics. We've only got 2-3 episodes left max so enjoy it while it lasts. Unless they decide to go straight into Human Error Processor, which is so unlikely it'd be absurd if they did it.
>>290240111I'd say it goes back to "normal" for a chapter, but gets trippy again in a big way at the very end.
>>290240273>the poopmasterThis better be a fucking typo hot regardless
>>290240273Human Error Processor was pretty straightforward, more cop drama minus the major. Man Machine Interface is where shit got weird
>>290240333Yeah I know but the artsyle is different, it's more serious overall, and more importantly, each story is pretty disconnected from the next, so it doesn't really play into the themes of the first manga.
>>2902403331.5 is still a bit of a departure in how dry and straightforward it is. Not to mention the manga it's a pretty large stopping point in the next chapter.I don't know if I'll ever bother to read MMI. I got filtered really early and I don't think it was purely because of the weird CG integration.
Whoaaat???The Puppetmaster is a g-g-g-g-girl ??!?!?!?*gulp* Oh gosh... What do I tell her? I don't want her to think I'm weird...
>>290240369>each story is pretty disconnected from the nextThat's 90% of the first manga too. The Puppetmaster doesn't do anything until the latest chapter, he's only brought up earlier to tell you "there will be a puppetmaster" and "he will be significant"
>>290240491I want the Puppetmaster to tie strings around my dikc and balls and make them dance like a little marionette
>>290240507Hard disagree, each chapter feeds into another either by introducing an organization, a character, a piece of technology or a concept that becomes relevant later. I've been busting my ass in these threads pointing them out whenever they get brought up. Sure it's not always something as significant as "here's the bad guy from another chapter" but there's a whole bunch of setups and payoffs all across the first run. It's a manga about connexions, you aren't supposed to dismiss this stuff, even if it isn't always a big dramatic thing.
>>290240565Kurutan knows how to speak to girls, doesn't she.
>>290238312Not really, she is having a life enlightenment realization Oshii never addressed this in the movie and Shirow have different thematically idea to end the Puppetmaster plot line; Neither 95 and Innocence, SAC, ARISE and 2045 touched the thesis of what he wanted to comply Shirow in the first place"Both Oshii movie and the manga have two different thematical endings. While Oshii is more ambiguous and self discovery, Shirowās is differentMotoko is experiencing Peppet Master's vision, but Puppet Master is not connected to digital networks or even to their cyborg body. By losing all the electric connections, their "ghost" is directcy connected to the whole universe.Shirow explained in the notes, full cyborgs tend to be like a sort of telepath. They can sometimes see the world without eyes and cameras. Normal human beings don't feelMotoko sees the vision of that vast network of the world through Puppet Master's ghost.So the "Net" in the final scene doesn't mean the Internet or any other artificial network.They're talking about this whole multi-verse. "
>>290240646multi-verse shit? In MY gritty cyberpunk thriller?
>>290240646of course, but the spooky ghost next to a literal tree (as opposed to a tree of light) felt a little too subversive, like that's the type of imagery Oshii would use, see what I mean?
>>290240415The cgi really is the least of MMIs problems, I didn't find it offensive.But perhaps that's because I was too preoccupied trying unsuccessfully to understand what I was reading
>>290240602>introducing an organization, a character, a piece of technology or a concept that becomes relevant laterIt's pretty standard world-building. Those concepts, agencies, technologies, etc aren't single-purpose built to service the puppetman. You can get rid of him entirely and you've still got a good story and a great world and characters.
>>290210332THIS FUCKING WEBM TRIGGERS MY AGP LIKE NOTHING ELSE FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>>290238919If you think about it Paz, Borma, and Saito are all collectively the John Tracy equivalent.
>>290240831>AGPAuto-gynophobia?
>>290240831AGP isn't real. You just want to be a girl.
>>290240646Sounds like some Eternal Champion bullshit.
>>290240884but I CAN'T. I want to be cute and quirky and be loved and want to wear slutty clothes and other times cute dresses and want to be a bombshell adored and worshipped by all men and envied by all women FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>>290240820Except when you compare the first run to 1.5, you'll notice that he doesn't do it NEARLY as often in 1.5. And the reason for this is because in the first manga he wasn't just trying to write a cohesive world, he wanted to illustrate the concept of connexions between systems, so he even included some where it would have been superfluous or barely noticeable.by contrast in 1.5 he's a lot more restrained when it comes to reincorporation, reoccurring motifs or setups and payoffs across chapters
>>290240931No you don't. You want to be dead and self-abasement through humiliating roleplay is as close to monastic mortification as you're willing to go because, as much as you desire death, you're also afraid of it, because you're afraid of consequences in general.right now it's "girl" it could also be "dog" or "U.S. marine", it's a cheap substitute for suicide>>290240888yes, very much so and I'm pretty sure he mentioned moorcock once
>>290240940Just because he doesn't do it doesn't mean he can't. 1.5 is kind of a victory lap, Shirow's resting on his laurels. I understand the culmination of the Peepeepoopoomaster was a big driving force behind his motivation to do what he did, but his story-telling, world-building and narrative are still in a mostly disconnected and standalone format.
people will pretend this ep was technobabble when they were basically just saying different permutations of "i'm diving deeper", "shit is strange yo", "this net is vast", "woah this net is everything"
>>290240872My Advanced Graphics Port!
So this is theā¦. NET
I really don't get the need to change real life country names
>>290241208Major's evolution into a SHODAN entity is inevitable
>>290241178I know he can do it, my point is that if you shoehorn 1.5's stories into the same show as the original stories, you're gonna dilute the themes. So it's a good thing that Saru didn't.>the culmination of the PeepeepoopoomasterNo the puppetmaster also exists as a vehicle for Shirow's overall thesis. At the end of the manga she basically turns into a sockpuppet for Shirow to show off all the cool shit he's been reading about and which were already shown at other points of the manga. And those things have to do with connexions. Big ones and subtle ones.In 1.5 he pretty much ditched that theme and the writing gimmicks that went with it. So it would stick out like a sore thumb in the same show.
>>290238919did you forget the first two episodes? the budget was passed for the Koukaku Kidoutai because it has the cover of being an International Rescue UnitThe Shell Squad is an actual thing in the manga and it's a part of Public Security Section 9 unlike in SAC or the movies where it's just Section 9
>>290241316The thing in the middle screenshot that looks like a sea anemone is the Net, yes.And we've already seen it in episode 5.
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>>290241433>>290238919i think its really interesting all the major public beaurocrat divisions have their own semi-autonomous black ops squads.
>>290241450BAAAAASEDI'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR YEARSwhatitmeanstobehumanfags RECTALLY DESTROYED FOREVERMORE
>>290241493Yeah it's like some feudal shit over there. And of course Aramaki has his ninjas.
>>290241178>the PeepeepoopoomasterStop calling her that.She doesn't even poop. I know she wants to be a lifeform and that lifeforms poop but she isn't there yet.
Does Motoko realize that most flesh and blood humans have also never seen their own brains?
>>290241624Look she isn't thinking about this too hard.The fact of the matter is cyborgs could see their own brains more easily than humans. She's just trying to spook Kurutan because she's cheeky like that, not because she's seriously anxious about this shit.Now if we were talking about movie Motoko then yeah, maybe you could call her stupid, cause she does take that stuff seriously and that's the best she comes up with.She's a military brat, please be patient with her
>Boo Doo>Peo Ple>MurDer>Peo Ple
So what did we learn from this episode other than the fact that Motoko was born male according to manga experts ITT.
>>290241859I get the reference. This means I am too old.
>>290242358yes, manga experts who don't know who Nakamura is
>>290241433>the budget was passed for the Koukaku Kidoutai because it has the cover of being an International Rescue UnitNot that anon, but I figured that was also reference to/subversion of Thunderbirds' International Rescue, where the rescue operations are what needs covering up.
>>290242358fuck off tranny
>>290242416>mentally ill schizo thinks I am his manga reading nemesisI don't read slop, so I never read the manga, but now that I know it triggers you I side with they/thexm. Manga/SaruGits Motoko is born male, experts agree (1995 and SAC Motoko is female, which is canon confirmed in the anime because they're superior).
>>290205203is this really a scene from the anime? >>222633852
>>290242504Try again shartranny who never read the manga in japShirow said and is WoG = Major was born female
>>290242571I don't mind if it has more humour, but Motoko really comes across as a violent retard. And the scene doesn't look good
So the puppet master is a conciousness, a life form born from the flow of information? It was created by japan foreign minister and was working for them until it became sentient and decided to do its own thing whatever that was... But what are the implications of the last sequence? The puppet master is probably dying after being torn to pieces by the explosion and then we see it becoming part of the "net", becoming one with the universe or something and we see the iconography of angels and the divine and Motoko has an out of body experience after diving into the puppet master "mind". I don't quite get it. Is this supposed to show us that the puppet master is ascending to a higher life-form and thus can be considered as a human and even more than that a god?
>>290242679Are you talking about an actual scene, because >>290242556 did not link to one. That was a link to a 5 year old thread on a totally different subject. Maybe you missed out a digit.
>>290242686then you must be homosexual, a straight man wouldn't act like a catty bitch
>>290242768He must be a crossboarding newfag who can't figure out how to crossboard link.
>>290242689Not quite.She was created by Neutron Strategic Solutions, an American spook company, as part of a covert agreement with the Japanese ministry of Foreign Affairs.>I don't quite get it. Is this supposed to show us that the puppet master is ascending to a higher life-form and thus can be considered as a human and even more than that a god?She's now a ghost, plain and simple, in the truest sense of the term: the disembodied spirit of a dead person (a dead robot, in this case).She isn't a god, but she's now in contact with the Net which is as close to God as it gets at this specific point in the timeline.Now mind you, this experience will alter the Puppetmaster's understanding of life. So far she had banked it all on "I think therefore I am", but as it turns out, when you're a ghost, you aren't really alive.
>>290242689its not going into humanity or godhood it's just shedding excess stuff from a cyberbrain while actively being able to sense ultra weak low level potential? connections, that shit like major's barriers can't even detect, between anything and ride a little net on that. what's interesting is that it kept its "self" while being reduced to nothing but signal.
>>290242686>>290242571>>290242504>>290242358This is not good 'trolling' because your tortuous language tells us more about your own autism than about anyone you're trying to mock. When you're the one trying harder and writing longer replies than your supposed victims, something's not working.Please just dial it down a notch and discover a sense of style.
>>290242858ok thanks that's interesting. I think I'll read the manga after the anime because the translators don't do their job when there's japanese text on screen and even if it's just techno stuff I think it's always a good thing to have in mind>>290242926So it basically creates links between everything in the world and the puppet conciousness is now part of the whole and able to sense everything while still being conscious?
>>290242991>So it basically creates links between everything in the world and the puppet conciousness is now part of the whole and able to sense everything while still being conscious?that makes it sound like the Noosphere from 40k
>>290215275I am now reminded of the bench.
>>290242991>So it basically creates links between everything in the world and the puppet conciousness is now part of the whole and able to sense everything while still being conscious?yep
>>290242933>When you're the one trying harder and writing longer replies>>290242933356Longer than every post you quoted, except >>290242686, which got more than twice the amount of characters in response.
>>290243005If the Admech's superstitious understanding of the Noosphere was correct, then yes. Really the Net is a little bit closer to the Warp, but with way less crazy evil shit roaming around in it. You know it's your bog-standard "higher level of reality" Atman-like thing you hear about in all those new age religions
No one except Shirow knows what all the technobabble at the end of that ep said.
>>290241410But what IS his theses?
>>290243076>>Really the Net is a little bit closer to the Warp, but with way less crazy evil shit roaming around in itoh right. not to constantly try to find comparison but perhaps like the wired, after Lain fully ascends to HTML or whatever the fuck actually happened in that show
>>290243084I dunno dude he lists his sources in the liner notes, all you gotta do is read them if that bothers you.Genuine skill issue
>>290243106lain is simple if you can walk through it in order. they discover some frequency that harmonizes with the collective human unconsciousness so data and human minds get mixed up. so yeah pretty fucking close.
>>290243096it'll be explained in the last episode, my quick and dirty smoothbrain understanding of his thesis is over there in the archives:https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/289922416/#q289922689
>>290243111Does the anime have liner notes? kek
>>290243084WRONG. Not even Shirow knows that.
>>290243173>Does the anime have liner notes?It actually does in places yeah, they straight up took some of Shirow's lore footnotes from the manga and rendered them in little white text in the corner of the screen to recreate his information-dense style. The amazon subtitles have ignored virtually all of them.
>>290243106Yeah that's a pretty good guess, but the big difference is that the Wired only started becoming conscious when humans started fucking with it by blasting radio waves into the atmosphere, because the Wired specifically has to do with electriticity.The Net, on the other hand, has always been around doing its thing, you can connect to it even if you're a fucking caveman I have a pet theory that it's actually a remnant of the Yamata no Orochi from Orion, because it likes eating negative karma
>>290243211>The amazon subtitles have ignored virtually all of them.This is what people get for supporting corporate subs over fansubs
It's amusing that Shirow found profundity in 1989-1990 over the idea of AIs living on the internet to the point he compared it to a religious experience--when in reality it's just bots shitposting at other bots and it's viewed as horrifyingly dystopian now.
>>290243388theyre not really living IN the internet. like plankton in water or whatever.
>>290243388Nigger did you not read the exchange we just had right above your post?The Net is NOT the fucking internet.
This episode was amazing and I'm sure they Will nail it too with the finaleSadly 1.5 took a nosedive and 2 is fucking dogshit, Shirow really got fucked in the head from drawing horseporn
>>290243460Then it doesn't exist and is irrelevant.
>>290243388He was imagining actual artificial consciousness, not the glorified autocompletes currently using the label.
one day I will buy a Motoko robot
>>290243484Well duh, neither do cyborgs or spider tanks. Neither is God for that matter, doesn't prevent people from finding it relevant, so why not try to describe it?
>>290243532Your robotoko will never be as expressive as the genuine article I'm afraid.And what's the point if you can't make her do goofy expressions as you fuck her?
Why does that one guy look like a monkey? Everyone else is normal.
>>290243211The problem is it can't show translations of the dialogue and notes at the same time. It doesn't help now but I've written them about it.
>>290243589>everyone else is normalMotoko looks like a gorilla and Batou looks like a freaking horse. That's why he's called Batou. Bouma looks like an umibozu, Paz looks like a tengu, and Ishikawa looks like.... Iunno a nerd
>>290243481I liked 1.5
>>290243597Fansubs in literally 2002 could've done it.
>>290243619me too anon, but it lacks that extra oomph. It's kinda like SAC but without a nice buildup to a climax
>>290243589I thought it was a bit out there myself when I first read it, but I've seen some people since who totally fit the description of aramaki
>>290243505>He was imagining actual artificial consciousness, not the glorified autocompletes currently using the label.Is that even any more profound than regular humans browsing the internet and shitposting at each other though? It wouldn't necessarily seem to be.>>290243537Usually scifi authors are trying to predict future trends or portray some kind of relevant near or far future situation for people to consider. It was a bit unexpected to use the manga to posit something that is independent of human technology out there called 'The Net' exists and use language that in 1989-1990 evoked the early internet to describe it. But I guess plenty of scifi stories have had transcendental themes that were not 100% tied to technology. Maybe he thought the metaphor would make sense to people, although at the time of the manga's publication the internet was mainly just used by researchers and academics, but I guess he could see it would become more widespread and in use by the general public, and so the metaphor would make sense down the road.
>>290243647100%. Back in the 00s there'd have been some controversial subgroup release putting a stupid amount of effort into lining up the captions exactly with a matching font and everything. God I miss that era.
>>290243846'The Net' isn't futureā¢ internet?
>>290243614>Ishikawa looks like.... Iunno a nerdHe looks like my dad after the divorce.
>>290243149I'm afraid I may still be a little too dense to understand what that means. It sounds similar to what the guy was saying at the end of sac, which I also didn't quite understand
>>290238269Fucked up that they removed the Flat Batou frame. I guess even they have their limits.
OshiiKEKs status?
>>290244028see? Another cryptid.>>290244060ok let's see-you gotta do what you gotta do-there's no one-size-fits-all solution-when something can't change, it can't adapt, and if it can't adapt, it's gonna get fucked as soon as something unforeseen happens-you CAN'T foresee everything cause everything is influencing everything else all the timeYou know like Dune.
>>290244096Looks like a panel from the simpsons. was the gits manga subtly influenced by the simpsons?
>>290244010No, it's something that's part of life and the universe and that serves as a link between all existing things. It's internet but in real life
>>290243619I like it too, but you can tell Shirow's just kind of spinning his wheels with it because it's not his real vision for a GITS sequel.2's problem is that it doesn't have much of an emotional pull to it at all, it's Motoko 11 being hyper competent and kicking everyone's ass for a whole volume then some wild Alan Moore shit happening so he can expound his take on Japanese creation myths. It's still a fascinating journey and like no other manga I've read, but it's lacking the basic pleasures of a dramatic story with a memorable cast of characters that the earlier volumes had in spades.
>>290243846>although at the time of the manga's publication the internet was mainly just used by researchers and academics, but I guess he could see it would become more widespread and in use by the general public, and so the metaphor would make sense down the road.That's because he WASN'T talking about the internet he was talking about the structure of the universe. Thinking of reality as a computer program. Not as a simulation, mind you, but as a system that computes information.It's an idea that VASTLY predates the internet. It's in the fucking Yi-Ting, ok? It's Leibniz and shit. Every fucking mathematician or physics nerd who grows a little too big for his breeches inevitably starts thinking he can become a mystic, and they've been writing books about computing reality for a LONG fucking time. That's where GitS comes from, not from discussions about the internet specifically.>>290244010No, read the fucking thread.
>>2902443231.5, as described in Shirow's foreword, is literally leftover story ideas he didn't have time to properly insert into the manga, so he turned them into a sequel>2's problem is that it doesn't have much of an emotional pull to it at all, it's Motoko 11 being hyper competent and kicking everyone's ass for a whole volume then some wild Alan Moore shit happening so he can expound his take on Japanese creation myths. It's still a fascinating journey and like no other manga I've read, but it's lacking the basic pleasures of a dramatic story with a memorable cast of characters that the earlier volumes had in spades.big agreement
>>290244230I dunno about that specifically, Batou's just cartoony in general.
>>290243570It is more easier to mod curie in fo4 to be major, she literally becomes a smug sarcasm machi e after she becomes flesh, blood and organic circuits.
>>290244178And that's what convinced motokomtomoko to fuse with the puppetman?
>>290244742well yeah cause she's experienced a lot of that for herself:she's tried to fix the system from the inside, but she's been manipulated by section 6 and the russiansshe's constantly fighting for survival and trying to perform better than everyone else because her competitors always have bigger and better toys (even her girlfriend gets the same skin as her to fuck better)she saw a lot of big ambitious plans go wrong and her own strategic approach almost always fucks up at some point which requires her to improviseand that's in spite of her relying heavily on her gut instinct which are hinted to be mild precognitive abilitiesevery time she tries to kick back and relax and live a stable life, something gets in the wayand she has to rely on violence a lot.So when 2501 gives her a big abstract rundown of things she already knows because of her personal experience, she's inclined to agree.Plus, she's had premonitions of it, and she trusts her gut instinct. She knows it's risky though, but having a super hacker AI in your brain is a very useful tool when the bad guys are after you.
>>290244742>puppetmanpuppetgirl, if you pleasepuppetman is in the film
>>290211467And the cat is fine too...
What would happen if someone called her Motoko-chan?Self-punch?
>>290244916That makes sense, but I guess with all the weird god imagery and net and connections, I was expecting something more high concept. It kind of seems like just generally applicable advice
>>290244987Well you asked me to dumb it down for you so I did.There's also this you have to consider>>290244346you know as it related to karma and stuff
This episode is deep into the dc comics turf, and something out of grant morrisson.
>>290245215No cause if it was like Morrisson, there would be a ton of heavy-handed meta-commentary about manga as a medium.
>>290245253Which happens next.
>>290244155>ripped off the movie but made an inferior scene to the vastly superior and iconic movieOshii made this mediocre manga a multi million dollar franchise and Shirow better thank him every single day for never having to work again
>>290245324I dunno I find it kinda subtle, it's only in hindsight that you realize "oh yeah he was talking about his projects as a mangaka"
>>290244245And is that what everyone is tapping into with their cyberbrains, or is that part the actual futureā¢ internet?I think I'm going to have to reread the manga either way, it's been a while
>>290240491I always thought Puppet Master is asexual. Oshii chooses male while Science SARU chooses female. Both are right.Picking Kikuko to voice this version is interesting though.
>>290239091>>290239114>>290239169What Major's pits smell like?
>>290237765I thought Sorayama was dead. Damn nice pickup.
>>290245435small motor oil
>>290245393No, that is actually why NOT everyone is tapping into it with their cyberbrains>I think I'm going to have to reread the manga either way, it's been a whileI suggest you do, because you'll find out that"mystics of all Ages"have been tapping into the Net. Besides, nothing suggests that the tank in episode 5 was in a chatroom.Oh, also, we know what going online looks like in GitS : it's shown to us in the orgy scene, and it looks way more realistic than what we just saw. Motoko had nipples and stuff in the orgy scene, her ghost doesn't.And even though it's not written by Shirow himself, Human Algorithm runs with that explanation: Tsunagi doesn't have a cyberbrain and she's got a bunch of psychic powers.Also, pay extra close attention to the liner notes as you re-read the manga, Shirow explains that you need to achieve meditative trance by shutting off your senses. Not by communicating with your cyberbrain.
>>290245410Well the Puppetmaster's ghost has pretty feminine feet in the manga. I will also add that the body you see is inspired by some depictions of Gaia, the earth-mother, so Shirow clearly was attached to the idea that there was something inherently female about the Puppetmaster.
>>290235511oh no shes gay again
What the fuck is this NIPPON STRONK slop...not muh GITS, Shirow was never this cringe about the real world politics. I'd rather they be sanded off like in Saru's than whatever this is
For all MMIs faults, I liked the pirate sailor androids
GentlemenIm unfortunate to tell you but Puppetmaster is realhttps://x.com/Skoorbkaz/status/2089459332173689292
>>290245577>What the fuck is this NIPPON STRONK slopgee I dunno>>290245587I like the one with the exposed bottoms. Orange is a good color for high-cut bottoms
Was the snes Appleseed game ever translated?I heard its gud.
>>290245618That's not how 2501 works, that's actually creepier
>>290245455You're just used to Japanese artists dropping dead in their 60s.
>>290245587Wat are their functions?
>>290245749manning the submarinemashing muff
>>290245749iirc they were legit sex robots they just stuffed navigational software into
>>290245838oh so that's why they have filippino names
>>290245640Anon. There's having characters drink sake in beautiful cherry blossom scenery. And then there's having an entire 3 volume arc revolve around China Bad Japan Good and how inherently immoral it is to do business with China, punctuated by how epic and based it would be for Japan to symbolically stick it to China. It's unbelievably overcompensating shit that feels a world away from Shirow's grounded depictions of the various self-interested nation states.
>>290246000>how inherently immoral it is to do business with ChinaThis is correct though.
>>290245577I don't remember this scene from 1, 1.5, or 2
>Flickering red dot in the dark as an electronic intelligence talks about making contactThis reminds me an awful lot of the contact scene with Ayre in AC6 for some reason.
>>290246164The AC6 shot in question for comparison's sake
>>290246141Yes that's my point anon, I am comparing this fanfic sequel unfavorably to the original work.Having said that, Motoko's little pig people from MMI show up a few pages later so all is forgiven.
>>290246164>red dotAnon...
>>290239284A shame I can't actually draw human beings...
>>290246385fanfic sequel?
>>290205203making a 1:1 adaptation was a mistake because it wastes lots of opportunities to rise up the action scenes and there are sideplots that go nowhere like Togusa tracking the US doctor in today's episode
>>290239316I've...seen things...you people wouldn't believe...
>>290212398>correct, which is why they didn't try to do it above board.There is doing things the legal way, and then there is getting silent approval to bump someone off. The meeting with forign government officials is basically negotiating to make sure they silently allow Anaconda to be killed and make preparations around that. It was a sanctioned hit, it just wasn't officially legal.
>>290246804I am reading through The Human Algorithm, a spinoff manga by a different writer/artist duo that ran for about 108 chapters through 2019-2025 and purports to fill in some of the timeline between volumes 1.5 and 2 of the manga continuity. From what I've read so far, it's notable first and foremost for trying to engage with some of the concepts in 2 that have mostly been ignored in the rest of the franchise, while incorporating them into a narrative that is more reminiscent of the traditional cybercop action from vols 1-1.5.I am enjoying it, it's not bad and I like the willingness to visit this territory, but it's also very referential while not measuring up to what's being referenced (regular callbacks to moments from v1 that get kind of groanworthy, occasional le silly faces that feel forced compared to Shirow's goofiness).
>>290246834Unfortunately 1:1 is what everyone in Japan wants these days
>>290245577Haven't read it myself but it's a shame these new authors did that, while there are lots of foreign adversaries / frenemies for Section 9 to face in the OG GitS, they spend just as much time dealing with their own nations internal corruption. Shirow's approach to nation states and their interests can be summed up as "same shit, different butt".
