>I want the trend of being reincarnated into another world to just end already. It makes me wonder—is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?https://jin115.com/archives/52456690.html?hl=en-US
>>290228139What's the saying about World of Warcraft where if you're doing good in the game it makes you feel better about real life and things start improving? Not the Always Sunny quote, the good one. Because that's how I feel about Isekai.
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?Obviously
>>290228139japs are just spoiled as hell
>>290228139>現実で何も成し遂げられない奴が異世界転生したからって何か成し遂げられるわけないだろｗｗｗ>Someone who can't accomplish anything in real life isn't going to be able to accomplish anything just because they've been reincarnated into another world, lol.Lol lmao indeed
>>290228139Yes.
>>290228356It's true but that's also why theres the power fantasy of being extremely over leveled in the new world.
>>290228139pretty retarded points to criticize when there's so many valid complaints about formulaic naruouslop
>>290228391Every isekai follow narouslop formula thoughbeit?
>>290228139Isekai is an insult to life itself
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?uh yeah? no shit?
Is life that bad? Where did it go wrong
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?Yes. /thread>>290228356Idk. Depends on the atmosphere of the other world. A change of scenery could be relevant.
>>290228578It all started since the iphone..
>>290228578300,000 years ago when we went from monke to man.
>>290228139This is literally the exact question I ask about isekai. Especially from a Japanese perspective. Is life in Area 11 really that bad, these days, that everyone younger than 40 wants to be reincarnated in some generic fantasy land?
>>290228578Everything has been getting progressively worse over the years. Even anime/manga itself is also getting enshitified. Nothing escapes modern enshitification curse.
>>290228733This is my biggest issue. If I'm living a power fantasy I don't want to reincarnate in some shitty DnD campaign, I'd rather be in Star Trek.
>>290228578CapitalismAnyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot or a useful idiot
personally, I would want to be reincarnated as a battle harem protagonist with my very own twintailed thighhigh wearing flat chested tsundere sidekick and main love interest.
>>290228139Realistically speaking in half the isekai stories it's just a generic formulaic introduction and then doesn't matter at all beyond that and it's indistinguishable from other generic fantasy slop. Then the ones where it actually matters fall into either them not being a shitter who hates their past life and that translating into whatever they're doing, they're just a consoomer who's in a thing they read/played/watched, or they're actually just a reprehensible piece of shit and it shows. And lo and behold, whether any of these are good depends entirely on if the author is shit or not. Basically the problem is more just formulaic slop content than isekai as a concept. If it was a different genre that caught on it would be just as creatively bankrupt and garbage. As a matter of fact, we already had a flood of interchangeable battle harems before isekai, and there's probably something before that I don't remember.
>>290228139It's just nu-age power fantasy, there's no deep meaning to it. There's so much of it because it's easy to copy and easy to get money from with no effort, not because everyone actually wants to jump off a bridge.
If there was a bridge infront of me I would jump off it right fucking nyow.
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?Most major religions across history will tell you that yes, this is indeed the case.
>>290228139>fatigueThe children who were born when isekai erupted from the corpse of battle harems are going to finish college shortly.
>>290228935Nyatleast you'd land on your feet haha
>>290228953If you think about it, a decent amount of isekai are just old trends in a trench coat.
>>290228669i dont think a change in scenery can change someone like rudy, a neet and loser for decades.
>>290228139
>>290228139no one cares about escapism, but the fact that it is the very same boring escapism all over and over again. Try some sci-fi for a change
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?Duh, but I still agree with him. Escaping into fictional worlds doesn't mean you have to like isekai stories. You can watch anime or play video games with fantazy settings without the isekai theme. There's nothing wrong with isekai conceptually, but the current flood of isekai anime is too similar.
OP IS BIG FAGGOT. It's been news since 2023 but it wasn't even news since one merely had to watch the anime that came out to see the isekai trend naturally fade according to the usual pattern.
Isekai is just means going into another world like Alice in Wonderland is isekai. But the okatu crap we're getting is always some loser who dies and ends up in some medieval video game style world. We need some variation.
>>290228935>>290229091>>290229420Fuck off, Nyaggers
>>290228139I'd like to say I'm glad to finally hear this but I can't help but feel the next big trend will somehow find a way to be even more vacuous.
>>290228796>>>/pol/And stay there.
>>290229550The next trend will be korean slop, look forward to it. All the shittiest elements of shonen with none of the good.
>>290229610It's the rise of webtoon that makes my skin crawl.
>>290228139So you're saying you have a strong desire to escape? The ironing.
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?I don't care much for Isekai, but for many around the world, yes. Also is he aware of nip work life balance issues?
>>290228827Based
>>290228894Reminder that of the people he had to bully to come back to reality, one was a cripple who could finally walk, one got his dead mom back, and the girl just stopped getting made fun of for her hair color.
>>290229550>>290229610Yeah. The new trend is "what if stat windows and cheat skills... but in the real world?"
>>290228139Jokes on them - I've been tired of isekai-shit since the second season of SaO.
>>290228578Living cost keeps rising and the climate keeps getting hotter. I won't make it.
>>290229867I was pretty fed up since Dot Hack
>>290229983I was over it during El Hazard
>>290229996Probably could have stopped with Dunbine really
>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?How privileged do you have to be to even ask such a question?
>>2902285781942 thereabout
>>290229610G*okslop came and went. Shit sucked and it didn't took long for people to look past the hype and notice
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?Yes
>>290229775And everyone learns to accept their circumstances and grows up at the end.Marche did the right thing.
>>290228139I mean, you can say the same about high school battle harem craze from back then bring them back please
>>290229610Depends on if ORV does well. Its been delayed a bunch of times already. If it gets a decent adaption it'll probably push the chances of more getting made out.Another thing that might have a chance of trending is SCP styled stuff.
>>290228139Isekai tensai has always been a suicide fantasy. Even if Kadokawa stops rolling out narousloppa it's never truly going to go away.>>290228669>change of sceneryIt'd be more apt to say it's a change in environment desu. Isekai rarely does it in a believable way, but realistically if you're born in another body to another family in another world with another society, culture, etc., you're going to end up very different even if you retain all of your previous life's memories. Both your nature (barring the soul) and how you're nurtured becomes fundamentally different.
>>290228139This is going to result in Isekai Samurai getting a budget adaptation, isn't it?
It probably doesn't help that most of them is written with mmo rpg mechanics in it. Why not let your skill you learn just be a normal thing you actually learn? Most of them are just medieval fantasy settings too. Why not try futuristic fantasy?
>>290228139>It makes me wonder—is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?YES, YOU FUCKING DUMB CUNT.
>>290228356unless they were born into money, with good genetics and started grinding from the moment they were born with previous knowledge. the lst point means shit tho>>290228578horny useless parents
>>290229583Useless idiot
>>290229610Nobody cares about gookslop. Solo Shittery was so astroturfed here all the threads were one paid whore samefagging.
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?You don't need isekai slop for that
>>290228578the french revolution
>>290228356failure in real life is mostly structural and luck problem
>>290228578>Where did it go wrongIn the year 680 AD, the Christian army of Constantine the IV was defeated by the invading Bulgar tribe
>>290230869>unless I got MUH CHEAT SKILLZ like isekai protags I can't do well in lifeYup. Sounds like an unironic isekai watcher alright
>>290228763>shitty DnD campaignIsekai took massive inspiration from your generic JRPGs and the end product somehow looks like some aberrated version of Dragon Quest every single time
This isn't sad news.
>>290230938All me
>>290228139this world sucks, I want to get isekaiedhowever, would prefer shoukan to tensei, so long as I don't have to go home at the end
>>290228210According to Gintama the CHADDEST you are in a mmo the biggest loser you are irl
>>290228139>Boomers make the world awful>Wtf why are kids escaping to another world?
>>290231003Failure in real life? What?
I actually don't mind isekai at all, some are slop, some are samey but enjoyable, some are different and is actually good, some tried to be different but still turned out to be shit.Do rom-com or horror or other genres not have this problem? Are they all good unlike isekai? Of course not, then why is isekai the problem?
>>290231617It's escapism and it's not healthy.
>>290228139Isekai can't die fast enough.
I turned into an ice cream scoop and became lvl999 dungeon delving with my special ability
>>290228139Anime fans are the biggest normalfags crying about shit like this>waaah it’s not real life!I thought anime fans were disgusting incels who give no fucks and total 3DPD death
>>290231641Even if you removed Isekai then they would isolate in games, boobs or fanfics.If your society is so bad kids chose escapism that's on you
>>290229456Then just say that. They deflect from their own point by turning into Jordan Peterson like this, just say shit’s getting samey bra
>>290228935Noooo you are everything wrong with anime why do you hate 3D women?
>>290228139TL DR
>>290228578Shotas brighten up my life
>>290228578It's just boring like not bad but boring
>>290231617Isekai is shit not because it is inherent to the genre or le escapism fags keep parroting itt but because it has the potential to be whatever the fuck the authors could have think of but they all became shitty DQ ripoff tiny twist to it with very few exceptions
Isekai will be replaced by afterlife/shinigami related series:>>290218613>YYH, Bleach, Mao, etc. are all well-known and popular but not the most popular>Isekai was the same way before it blew up (Escaflowne, El Hazard, 12 Kingdoms, Dunbine)>afterlife stuff is still really escapist, you can be much cooler after death than you were in life>Yusuke was the original Truck-kun victim
>isekai? Ewww that's for losers CRINGEEEE>precure and Aipri? Ewww that's for little girls CRINGEEEE>kamen rider? Ewww that's for kids CRINGEEEEEAnd so on.These people just want to look down on other people and feel good for themselves, they're basically jerking off without touching their dicks.
>>290229301Rudy is a failed normie as well, just tall volcel who chose to be fat like Lizzo. Even messed around with a hot girl at school wtf, mogs me to fucking death. We need actual incels in isekai who improved but are still ugly as fuck
>>290228733This type of isekai came from gook comics. It's being use to hurt anime and manga.
>>290228733Isekai settings aren't a necessary feature of escapist media, so the prevalence and popularity of isekai are not necessarily a function of societal misery.
>>290231947Narcissists think the world will bow to them for some fucking reasonTurns out they are just empty creaturas with no hobbies and at the end of the day even the biggest loser won't admire them.As you said, they would never stop at isekais, it's not our fault they are so boring they lack hobbies
Gook isekai is die and be reborn in a new world. Not isekai is get sent to another world like escaflowne Digimon and re zero.
>>290232019>We need actual incels in isekai who improved but are still ugly as fuckI got just the man for the job
>>290231641As opposed to?
>>290232201Engaging with higher level art that trancends being entertainment and enters the realm of philosophy.
>>290228139I would too if I had to see isekais up the wazoo.
>>290231925You haven't look for it hard enough, there are plenty of non isekai that are DQ-like and there are also plenty of isekai that has no DQ aspect at all. In the end it's all up to the authors what they want to make, they can make isekai for people who like isekai, or they can make non isekai for people who hate it.
>>290232226The same ones who sell themselves as soon as they see some money?
>>290228578In Japan life is pretty shit, yes.
>>290232378Yeah, Gaza and Khartoum are unironically better than Japan
>>290232378But I am moving there soon... oh no
>>290232445you chose the wrong decade to do it
>>290232477Can't be worse than the US
>>290232378It's not exactly sunshine and roses elsewhere either.
>>290232226Still entertainment
>>290232477It can't be helpedI'm going anyway
>>290232485depends on how your life is in the US. however, a fresh start for someone moving to japan as a foreigner is generally very difficult as a baselineif you're a student you have very limited work hours. if you're going as an ALT for example then it's abject poverty when you get there, and poverty + 2nd year taxes from there
>>290232226Such as
>>290232608Boku no Pico
>>290228578>Where did it go wrongFor Japan, 1990. Remember how they called the 90's the "lost decade" after the end of the bubble economy? Guess what, the japs have kept expanding the term to cover the 00's and then the 10's and soon enough the 20's as well, arriving at 4 lost decades and still counting. The stagnation never ended to this day and ordinary jap wagies do feel the fallout.
>>290232694Could they have let their economy collapse and rebuilt stronger instead of opting for stagnation?
>>290230221moscow and pearl harbor were both 41
>>290230577One of the biggest samurai wank I've ever witnessed.
>>290232734Not really. Japan became a willing participant in an American treasury bond scheme.
>>290228578>may 14th 1948>women's rigth to voteYou can trace every breaking point to a certain tribe...
>>290232734Doubt it. All roads lead back to fertility. Japan was already an aging society at that point in time, which affects the makeup of the franchise and how it's excercised. You cannot very well sell the idea to old people that you gotta raze the failed system to the ground to start anew. Old people don't want to start from zero, that's a young people's game.
>>290228669Some old manga about a guy being teleported into his own manga nailed a good point before, when he starts interacting with his characters he realizes all of them are dumb as a rock because they're all a reflect of his own intelligence and none of them can be more intelligent than their own creator and this is simply what isekai is in a nutshell: a controlled safe enviroment for losers who in reality would never be able to adapt to a new world when they can't adapt to a small change in enviroment like let's say, finding a new job or even leaving their own room.
>>290232734they don't get to make economic decisions on their own
Fascinating how a thread about isekai turned into a bunch of obese fat diarrheashaded incels talking about fertility, systems and societal woes. We get it you're a big shot in Mumbai
>>290230516Environment is everything, I believe just being in the right place or being around the right people can completely change the course of a person's life. In the same way, being in a bad environment or around toxic people can curb a person's potential for life
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?Yes, yes it is. This is not just a Japanese thing.
>>290233090It's not actually a thread about isekai, it's a thread about whether life is really that terrible and cruel. OP intended this too, learn to read the room.
>>290232170Uncle is not an incel. He is a volcel if anything, because he is too autistic for anything that isn't SEGA.Read the manga and watch anime before you use picrels, dumbass.
>>290233010Perchance, do you remember the manga's name?
>>290228796You are the NWO useful idiot who don't even know the definition of your buzzword. Capitalism help you a lot for generating interests with your savings and winning a lot of money with the dividends of your actions. You simply have to learn how to master your own money.
>>290233182>He is a volcel No, he genuinely just doesn't believe any woman could be interested in him so he doesn't pick up on any signs of affection. Mentalcel at best
>>290232128Isekai the logical end point of real world hopelessness. People who have problems with the world but believe they can be fixed are less drawn to isekai. They would rather write, read, or watch something about the world changing. That's still aspirational and can even be escapist. But it isn't defeatist. Isekai escapism is for those that have given up all hope that the world can possibly improve. The only aspiration left is to not be in it.
>>290233262That's not capitalism, that's banking. Capitalism is when you subdue all national interests and questions to the pursuit of greater wealth for a handful of shareholders and bank owners who then command everyone as their slaves.
Life is shit because I resent a lot of people who hurt me in life and there is no ways of inflicting them pain without going into jail. I also realize how evil and stupid many people are around me, there is no protections of any sorts anymore and the real ways of changing things are based on violence most of the times.
>>290229499>Isekai is a spectrum>very few are competently written>the ones that are trash get multiple seasons>the competent ones end after 12-13 episodesYes, this was a Grimgar post
>>290233323Also not capitalism. Words have specific meanings. We cannot address what is wrong until we establish what things are.
>>290233331But Grimgar had vidya terminology.
>>290233354Yes, but none of the MCs cast ended up overpowered and they were trash to begin with. Of course, there was also that other team that seemed to have steamrolled the world, at least based on the anime.
>>290228139Ppl been saying this since 2019
>>290233157If it's not about isekai then why don't you isekai yourself out of your terrible and cruel life you coward?
>>290228578>Where did it go wrong
>>290228139>Weebs think japan is a heaven and the best country int the world>anime's most popular trope is dying and hopefully reincarnating away from japanalways makes me laugh
>>290233381Tbh, Grimgar is kinda weird. In the anime, the isekai plot is pretty much inexistent and its just a starting point.
>>290233182every incel is a volcel
>>290228578Globalizim. Unironically, trying to fit every single economy of the world into a neat little box has killed almost everything.
>>290233202Lasboss x Hero
>>290228356It really depends. Factors that are meh today might help succeed under other circumstances.Like being mediocre smart would make you a scholar 500 years ago. Or being overly aggressive and well build might make you an elite warrior in a 99% peasant world.
>>290234193Thanks, I'll check it out.
>>290233262Loud and useful idiot, seems to have confused the capitalist mode of production with some pithy quotes from a Personal Finance for Dummies book. Sad!
I dont mind fantasy worlds but I hate the trope of "loser gets reincarnated in fantasy world with videogame powers"Just make a traditional fantasy work with well written characters not cucked self inserts
>>290233521Japan is a tourist's heaven and a worker's hell.
>>290234463>Like being mediocre smart would make you a scholar 500 years ago. Or being overly aggressive and well build might make you an elite warrior in a 99% peasant world.Not at all, the real world is not a movie.
>>290234745This is the reason you will never be a successful writer
>>290233521Everyone is into escapism these days difference is at least you don't get stabbed in Japan and that's an improvement already
>>290235261The japanese stabs themselves instead
>>290233521>>290235088It's really not, if that was the case most people moving there would be utterly miserable but third worlders are more than happy to live there, a regular paycheck on a factory or anything of the sort is enough to live a confortable life and (for now) Japan is still a safe country to walk around even at night.The japanese are miserable because their culture offers no real solace to modern miseries, their values are meaningless in capitalism and often all you're left to cope is with consumism.
>>290228356Depends on their base stats aka genetic traits
>>290235488>would be utterly miserable but third worlders are more than happy to live therethird worlders are happy to live anywhere that isn't a third world no matter how fucked they get though
>>290228733Nips cant evolve so project their clan based mentality in corporations turning them into a timestealing hell. You must have drinks with the boss even though he will never promote you. You must work even if you finish work. You must stay on UNPAID overtime if boss hasnt left building yet. Anything else is dishonorabu, what an insane breed of bugs.
>>290235545>no matter how fucked The thing is, no one can really expand on how bad this really is because most people just know Japan from anime and jewtubers, it's really not as bad as you think it is. Most americans would be also fine living in Japan simply because you can't get stabbed at night, the whole depression thing is most a japanese thing which indicates there's something wrong with their thought process rather than the country as a whole.
>>290235681>Most americans would be also fine living in Japan simply because you can't get stabbed at nightThere are more japanese living in america than americans living in japan
>>290235681Because most Americans who live in Japan aren't salarymen. They're consultants or work remote jobs. You get all of the upsides of living in Japan without the negatives.
Why do normalfags hate it when losers and rejects find a fantasy to escape to? Why does it piss them off so much if they can find peace in a delusion they ultimately know will never come true?
>>290235757Yous ee more burgers wanting to go to Japan than vice-versa
>>290228578Bad guys won the war
>>290232485Ahhahahhahahahhahahahhhahahahahahahahahhaahhaahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah
>>290235866Because it's not just a minority doing that, more and more men are quitting society and want to be left alone. Turns out society is too female to admit their mistakes and beg for forgiveness so they think shaming men will make them magically come back and work and save all those future sprinters.Narcissists HATE when losers don't give a shit about them
>>290235656NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP DONT DO IT
>>290235757>Doesn't expand on how bad it is>Doubles down on something being wrong with nipsYeah.>>290235844I'm not talking about remote workers, I'm saying entry level jobs aren't particularly worse there than they are in America. Miserable jobs for the majority of the society is just a trait of capitalism as a whole, japanese people tending to being unable to cope with it is mostly a trait of their culture.
>>290228578tl;dr Regan and Thatcher era easing of currency controls.
>>290235866Who's more disgusting a normalfaggot or a shut in pig freak? One smells like piss and sweat the other smells like shit and gunk
>>290230811>hy not let your skill you learn just be a normal thing you actually learn?Because one of the biggest appeals of "skill number go up" is having a measurable quantifiable way of seeing your effort and knowing without a shadow of doubt that your effort and hard work is paying off and is progressing and will earn you benefits and rewards.Someone in real life could do everything right. Go to school, study hard and long, all the steps a person "required to succeed" in current modern society and still completely fail just because the guy ahead who was a lazy faggot his entire life had a firmer handshake and his dad knew a guy who knew a guy.>Most of them are just medieval fantasy settings too. Why not try futuristic fantasy?Because we currently live "in the future" and the future has turned out to be lame as fucking shit. Why would you want to go to the future but more if that's what you want to escape from? Medieval fantasy gives you enough familiarity while also at the same time making things but more simpler. And well, fantastical, unlike the boring-ass realism of the "future".
>>290231012kek
>>290235261You do if you somehow make a yandere falls for you
>>290236111>lifu is unfairu so give me life where i can farm exp points and nobody else can now that's fairoh wait it's solo leveling plot
>>290235985>Miserable jobs for the majority of the society is just a trait of capitalism as a wholeThat's a trait of reality as a whole. You think the average peasant in ancient Egypt was working a great job? Or the average serf during Medieval times? Or the average laborer in Soviet Russia? If anything the average worker drone in modern capitalist countries is probably having a better time than any of those other people.
>>290228578You live in the greatest moment in history so far. To be crying about it you have to be a complete fucking loser.
>>290236480With technology most jobs should be easier but boomers ego need constant attention sadly
>>290236480>Humanity used to shitty jobsExactly? Their depression and suicide rates aren't particularly due to poor work conditions.
>>290236695Most jobs ARE easier due to technology, what are you talking about? Prior to the industrial revolution and for almost all of recorded history most people worked as farmers doing back-breaking work from sunrise to sunset. After the industrial revolution people moved to work in dirty factories where industrial accidents were common and cleanliness was of no concern. A couple of decades ago people worked in clean air conditioned offices. Technology has clearly changed the game completely and this process has not stopped, in fact working from home has become increasingly popular in just the last few years. If you're working a blue collar job then you're still going to have to get your hands dirty and might hurt yourself at work but technology has still made things way easier for you, for example plumbers now having access to things like cameras and pressure tools for unclogging pipes. You sounds like you get all of your information from the anti-work plebbit or maybe tiktok.>>290236834I was replying to the claim that miserable jobs are a trait of capitalism rather than just a constant of human existence. I don't know enough about Japan to say for sure what the cause of their depression is, but I've heard that their work-life balance is quite bad and I could see that being a major factor. People work such long hours that they don't have time for relationships so they either remain perpetually single or drift apart from their own children, leading to social isolation and burnout. The strongly hierarchical culture presumably doesn't help either with how it impacts the dynamic between bosses and workers. I doubt work is the only reason for Japan's situation but I think it is a contributing factor. Unfortunately most people are allergic no nuance and want to explain everything with a singular cause so that they don't have to think too deeply about the issue.
>>290235866Because modern society needs people who are willing to slave away their entire life to function.
>>290237521>Most jobs ARE easier due to technologyYou are missing something in this however, I'm not the anon you're talking to but as technology has made jobs easier, they've also expanded how much you do. And the trade off isn't actually good. One of the biggest examples is women's house work, before the fridge was invented they actually had to do less housework, when it came about expectations went up and so they had to do more. Now obviously some things are just good, like pasteurisation meant no more toiling over raw milk.
>>290237733>call plumber for a deep clog>has to break my wall to get at the pipes>call plumber for a deep clog>pulls out a long thin anal bead device and sucks my entire pipe clean in one tug
>>290237733>One of the biggest examples is women's house work, before the fridge was invented they actually had to do less housework, when it came about expectations went up and so they had to do morePrior to fridges women had to go buy groceries from the market in the morning so I'm not quite sure about the idea that refrigeration increased the amount of housework, especially when the improved preservation meant that meals could be either fully or partially prepared ahead of time rather than on the spot. It's also worth nothing that vacuum cleaners, washing machines, dishwashers and the like also reduced the amount of workload in the home quite significantly. I think a better example of what you're talking about would have been to examine the range of skills that are required for office work versus working at a factory line. It's also not entirely clear whether wages have kept up with the increase in the demands of modern jobs (note that this is not the same thing as productivity).
>>290235866>Why do normalfags hate it when losers and rejects find a fantasy to escape to
>>290228139>[Sad News]Fucking engagement bait right here, kys.
>>290228796Anime is a product of capitalism
>>290238205I told OP to kys himself but the thread is still going.
>>290237733>things are just good, like pasteurisation meant no more toiling over raw milk.Pasteurisation is one of the worst things, because it directly correlates with the rise of lactose intolerance in the modern population. The fact that Rothschild supported it should tell you all you need to know. And the toiling over raw milk is also just a wrong statement, it was quite easy to do, considering you could get fresh perfectly drinkable milk each morning. Only thing that needed bit more work was butter.
>>290238316Do not fall for the soap jew. Clean hands are for serving master's food, historically.
>>290238316>rise of lactose intolerance in the modern populationDoes that even matter if you can just make lactose free dairy products? It has no biological role beyond providing some calories.
>>290238484You can do that, but it is a solution to a man-made problem. Which was definitely intentional, to sell these lactose-free products, considering they are often more expensive. Which yet again shows the issues of the modern society.
>>290238484>It has no biological role beyond providing some calories.Also, this is blatantly wrong. Biological milk has plenty of other nutritional effects that lactose free milk doesnt have.
>>290238582I don't buy that. Pasteurization has been around since the 1800s while lactose-free products are a much more recent phenomenon. In fact I highly doubt people in the 1800s even had any idea that pasteurization could impact rates of lactose intolerance in the long term since that doesn't seem like something they could have figured out with the tools and knowledge they had at the time. It's also worth noting that pasteurization increases milk's shelf life which should help drive down the price due to more flexible supply, so it's not even clear milk would be any cheaper in a world where pasteurization never became a thing.>>290238609You haven't exactly convinced me with that statement but even if that is true it would have to be due to factors other than the lactose itself.
>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?Yes, clearly. Is he for real that out of touch?
>>290235656Kotoshoho's yusho was indeed a dark moment
>uhhh life isn't bad at all guys. my life is going great!Every normgroid in existence.
>>290233456Cane here to post this
>>290238962What value significance do you think your statement has? What exactly are you trying to say?
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?
>>290228139I had enough after konosuba. But yes life has gotten so terrible and awful that people escape it.
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this muchWhy ask the question when he already knows the answer? Is that some rich parents kid that never had a worry in his life, and as such fails to comprehend that for the vast majority of people life simply sucks?
>>290228578Jews
>>290233263He doesn't get off from doing all the ecchi comedy abuse with elf and Mabel. He must be asexual. He clearly got severe social issues but those can't kill the drive
>>290235250Succesfull writer = pander to retards?I dont get this trend either, isekai feels even more misserable cause it outright negates life.I never heard of an Isekai were the protagonist is forced to live in an objectively worse world, and he is terrified by being reborn in this shithole instead of still living his cozy life with friends and family.Back then we watched sci fi when we needed hope for a better future.TNG and shit.Or Slice of life for the good vibes.Man i dont fucking know.Its just so fucking formulaic, everything is the same.People lost touch with the divine.
>>290231864Based horny, girl failure, Onee-san.
>>290241442trek's a shit example, that shit takes place in a future where humanity got bailed out by space elves after nuking themselves into oblivion after being ruled by superhuman indian warlords, and everyone gets to lazily neet it up with holodecks and replicators afterwardsand if we're still just counting TOS, that shit was low-key horror, dudes get routinely obliterated by space gods. there's zero hope in trek
>>290235866I will sound like a boomer, but read this shit.The escapism we grew up on still relied on self improvement.Become stronger through dedication, become a better person by meeting others halfway, learn to appreciate life through the simple and noble things, whatever you do-o your best so you wont disappoint your loved ones, protect people for the goodness of your soul.All this good stuff.Isekai is twisted.It relies on you fucking dieing or winning the lottery to become your best "overpowered" self.Youre the big dick giganigger that slays all the stacies and conquers the world through your godlike abillity that was granted to you because you died a sad bitch ass hobo death.Btw, its never suicide, since most mcs couldnt muster up the braveness to harm themselfs, so life wasnt even THAT shit in the first place.And all you had to for all this was to be a bitchass loser that croaked.Its inherently anti-human, and therefore, anti soul.
>>290241659>Superhuman indian warlordsKekWe wuaz Khan saars>There is zero hope in trekTrek is the single most hope pilled piece of media that was conveived in the 20th century.But if that is sincerely your opinion, its no wonder that everything gets shit.There is no hope cause youre terrified to see it.Even if 99% of humanity gets obliterated, 1% woud remain.What kind of future do you see?What woud you want?How woud you achive it?Bros, believe in yourself and create the future wich you want to see.Become the hero of your own destiny.Even if you think heros are shit, and its not worth the effort.Do it for yourself.Try to be the most envied fucker in the room.Not for glory.Or if you prefer it, for glory.
>>290228356There's nothing IRL that I care about accomplishing.
>>290228356>ｗｗｗThis is how they lol?
>>290228139Personally i don´t want it to disappear, i just want it to be good again. I don´t care for the characters that are reborn overpowered and get automatic harems or get familiar video game interfaces or stuff like that. I want the other kind, the isekai on which the character face a reflection of it´s struggles, learns the lesson and, sometimes, comes back. I much prefer stuff like 12 Kingdoms, Escaflowne, the ancient magus bride or even Zenshu over stuff like slime and jobless.
>>290242454>12 Kingdoms, Escaflowne, the ancient magus brideFirst they would have to better written than MT.They're not.When you guys write something better than MT you can complain only AFTER that.
>>290228139>please please become salarymanAnother boring antiisekai thread with a misleading OP.
>>290228139>SadThis good news, let creatives make shit they actually want to make.
>>290228356>someone full of healthy issues will not be able to accomplish anything by moving to a better bodyAnd the dumbest quote of the year goes to...
>>290242712Nigga please, Konosuba is better than jobless. In fact, the only reason jobless is not at the absolute bottom is because stuff like shield hero, SAO and Re Zero exist. You are allowed to enjoy it for what it is but don´t pretend for a second it has anything to do with the writing.
>>290242871Not part of this discussion, also not relevant to the discussion.
>>290242893It completely is, the anime and manga industry is based on what will do numbers, not what people actually want to make half the time and the manga that is that tends to go unnoticed by the public because they want to do promo for it.
>>290242891Nope. >12 Kingdoms, Escaflowne, the ancient magus brideThese are not better than MT.Write something better and come back, comparing masterpiece like MT to this trash is literally insulting read nigga read.
Mangaka: ''They should stop making dogshit''Otaku: ''WHAT?! WHY DOESN'T HE WANT THEM TO MAKE DOGSHIT?!''
>>290242922I thought it wasn't making numbers, if it's making numbers then there's no problem.
>>290242975Stuff that makes numbers tends to be low quality, basic and made to please everybody, you want basically the MCU of anime/manga.
>>290228139Isekai flood is a shit trend, but yes, real life is bad. Why the fuck do you think people dreamed of a better world in all of human history?
>>290242958Wouldn't this imply that the Mangaka is making dogshit since the Otaku who enjoy dogshit are reading his work?
>>290228139They have Isekai fatigue in the same way America has Superhero fatigue. People aren't bored with the genre, they're bored with the same old boring stories they've seen a billion times before. They're just as bored with blank slate self insert protagonists with harems in a fantasy world inspried by JRPGs, as Americans are bored with Superhero blockbusters where a hero has to save the day by stopping a bad guy from opening a portal in the sky. If someone came up with an actually interesting Isekai story that shook up the formula, people would immediately flock to it. Here's some suggestions.>Don't give the main character a power up and have him or her realistically struggle with adapting into a medieval world>Base a fantasy world on medieval Asia instead of european medieval shit>Have the main character be an actual defined character with flaws and issues. >Have the main character actually miss his life back on earth and want to return home>Make the fantasy setting actually grounded and realistic like Berserk. Not obviously artificial like Sword Art Online or Overlord.>Adapt or remake a world of older isekai fiction from before the craze. Like Twelve Kingdoms or Those Who Hunt Elves>If you must include fanservice elements like harems, make it so the main character has to earn them through struggle and sacrifice.
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>>290228139Just now?
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?>>>>>>
>>290242292>>ｗｗｗ>This is how they lol?yeswe associate kek and a frog with funnyjaps associate www and grass wuth funnyhttps://selftaughtjapanese.com/2020/01/08/why-is-grass-草-used-in-japanese-to-mean-something-is-funny/
>>290243137yeah yeah realistic grimgar my ass every single character gets some kind of rpg ability and classes, they have friggin class trainers what the heck?Ahahahaha you isekai haters are delusional.
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>>290243865based
>>290243898That's not slavery, that's indentured servitude.
>>290243898>My MC is not a scumbag at all, look how ethical slavery actually is.
>>290228139Damn imagine reading deep thought-provoking life changing literary fiction every day after wagecucking for hours. It makes your thoughts DEEP. Wait...you can just watch 4 hours long essays on youtube instead.
>>290243959Yes.
>>290243959Someone has yet to prove my guy wrong, I believe it will happen one day.
>>290243821Grimgar isn't the most realistic isekai, just the one most people would know about.
>>290244103Proves many times already. Its a trustworthy business.
>>290244140proven*
>>290244140>>290244163>>290244092Do the MCs ever become slaves?
>>290242938>comparing masterpiece like MTMT is trash, watch more anime faggot.
>>290244184Eh sometimes through betrayal and things like that.
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?You're unironically crazy if you would choose this world over a comfy isekai one
Don't see anything wrong with slavery.It's a mercy.Think about it logically.
>>290228139No shit. It's overdone, and being an Isekai is an indicator that a story will be wish fulfilment dogshit for tasteless middle schoolers. It and LitRPGs need to fuck off and die as quickly as possible.
>>290244367Yeah pretty much. So now that we have established that slavery is good, how do we convince the normalfags and include it in capeshit and other stuff. Riiiiight problematic you say?Guess isekai is here to stay.
>>290244436>Isekai is an indicator that a story will be wish fulfilment dogshit for tasteless middle schoolersWe need more Isekai like Twelve Kingdoms. Which is the exact opposite of wish fulfillment. >Being Isekaid is treated as a traumatic horrifying thing>The culture shock horrifies the isekaid students modern beliefs and sensibilities.>The fantasy world is actively hostile and violent, and can kill and do far worse to you>The characters have to deal with a language barrier, and one character never fully overcomes it>The happy ending is earned through violence and intrigue. Not through OP powerups or through the power of friendship>Romance and fanservice, while present is underrstated and tame.
>>290244436This so much this.Time to read real literature deep with real messages!
>>290244712You can pushing twelve slopdom but it will never catch on kiddo.
>>290244750keep pushing*
>Which is the exact opposite of wish fulfillment.Twelve Kingdoms is isekai for girls. Female wish fulfillmentReal adults read history and not some low brow fiction and anime
>>290244787Twelve SLOPdom is from an era where no fun was allowed. Glad we're done with that shit.
>>290228356TRVKE
>>290242712>pedo tensei fag
>>290244874There's a difference between no fun allowed and takign a story seriously. You can still have the fun stuff in Isekai, without having to compromise on actually making a story that's compelling.
>>290242712Twelve Kingdoms first thirteen episodes are pretty good. After that it kind of loses me. Especially when they switch from the isekaid character to focus on the fallen princess who was born in the kingdoms. Yeah I feel bad for her character. But it's not what I come to an Isekai anime for.
>>290228139I'm a 5'5" ethnic chronically diseased 30yo virgin NEET. Why the fuck would I not want to be reincarnated in a new body in another world?
>>290228356Lets be real for a sec. You really expect me to believe some hikki neet who entirely dependent on modern amenities like electricity, the internet, and modern plumbing will somehow survive in a fantasy setting with monsters and ghouls?
>>290231003>failure in real life is mostly structural and luck problemPick up that pencil and get drawing motherfucker!
>>290232159>Narcissists think the world will bow to them for some fucking reason>Turns out they are just empty creaturas with no hobbies and at the end of the day even the biggest loser won't admire them.>As you said, they would never stop at isekais, it's not our fault they are so boring they lack hobbies
>work hard in real life>only kikes benefit>work hard in isekai world>I benefit
>>290233456he was fleeing from the horrors of the sea, going back wont do us any good
>>290244963Sure try creating 12 SLOPDOM thread right now. See how many people find it interesting.
>>290245070You are indonesian
>>290245070When are they gonna make an anti-Israel anime anyway? Or are they scared the US would cut them off?
>>290242712mt fags have a warped view of what a good story even is. they only measure it by power fantasy and wish fulfillment standards which is why they cant see that mt is completely shallow and philosophically meaningless at its core
>>290245189Ironic considering MT is all about how the main character actually has to change and improve as a person morally before that wish fulfillment can happen.
>>290245054I work 11 hours a day, most of my days off I work as well, now what?
>>290228139this also means less villainess slop so it's good
>>290245116How many millions do you have? life is so easy right?
>>290245096its called low and high art. low art is garbage but enjoyed by the masses because it doesnt challenge its audience while high art is unpopular but appreciated by patricians because theyre able to engage with it at the high level it asks for. therefore argumentum ad populum is fallacious because popularity is in large parts independent of quality rather than the reliable indicator that a normgroid might mistake it for
>>290245096And ultimately what makes narou/yomu work is that the story lets the reader indulge in things that conventional stories often treats as problematic, while still giving those indulgences enough characterization, worldbuilding, conflict, and consequences to become an actual narrative.12 slopdom, escawhateverthefuckery can never ever do that. That's why we have narou era and not the boring slop era. Enjoy. its never going away because people crave that stuff. And best of all? They have already managed to create a storytelling framework which works, that's what people overlook the most about narou.Even if narou dies right now today, that framework is not going away.
>>290228578We allowed politicians to be influenced by money rather than the idea of an angry mob beating down the door.
>>290245417Difficulty is not the same thing as quality. A work can be extremely difficult to understand because it is badly written, because it is obscure, or because the author is simply incompetent at communicating what he means. Conversely, something can be immediately comprehensible while still containing enormous artistic depth.Twelve slopdom is such a story. 0 depth. 0 impact. Now you can continue pretending its not sloppa. But that will never change.
>>290229775>and the girl just stopped getting made fun of for her hair color.She was an albino, that's a life-changing disability that can render you near-blind or take a huge chunk out of your lifespan because of vulnerability to skin cancer. It's not just "white hair".
>>290245280>MT is all about how the main character actually has to change and improve as a person morallyLike Rudy supporting mental illness such as polygamy. And him cheating on his wife? And her forgiving him because if she didn't it would offend the mentally ill incels who self insert as him? Dumbass Pedo Tensei fag
>>290245465a complex work is not necessarily great but a truly great work is always complex and multi-layered in one way or another. anything that is easily comprehensible in its entirety is by definition shallow because true artistic depth cannot be seen at the surface. what youre thinking about is probably a work that has superficially appealing elements that make it viable for mass popularity but still hides a greater depth and meaning that general audiences will always ignore, only to be appreciated by patricians.this is why a layman cant distinguish between art that is great but not easily digestible and art that is simply convoluted, because its all the same to them, they are colorblind to good art.
>>290245713A haiku is not exactly some insanely complicated art form. A folk song can have very simple lyrics. A good joke can be understood immediately. That doesn't mean there's nothing there. And I don't really buy the idea that "true depth cannot be seen at the surface.If a movie portrays grief or loneliness or alienation incredibly well, and I immediately understand what it's doing, that doesn't somehow make it shallow. In fact, I'd argue that being able to communicate something complicated clearly is itself a form of artistic skill. Making something confusing is easy. Making something simple without making it stupid is much much harder.Sadly your favorite show twelve slopdom is not better than your average modern isekai. It never was and never will be. The other thing I don't buy is this idea that normal people are basically colorblind to good art while the patricians can see the secret layers.
>the pedo tensei fag is seething over the vastly superior 12 kingdoms that he writes tl;drslol
>>290245843>loses the argument>you must be MT fagMEDS
>>290243137>Have the main character actually miss his life back on earth and want to return homeI still have fatigue of this from isekai before it was called that.
>Polygamy is a mental disease.>MedsYou only need to start mass quoting.
>>290245938You would have fatigue because everyone remembers how mid they were.Only certain mentally ill people have short memories. That's why the narou era won over the slopdom era.
>>290245984I guess I should correct myself normalfag slopdom* era.
>>290245805>And I don't really buy the idea that "true depth cannot be seen at the surface.This is because the act of interpretation, what you need to actually understand a piece of art, inherently requires effort on the part of the viewer.>If a movie portrays grief or loneliness or alienation incredibly well, and I immediately understand what it's doing, that doesn't somehow make it shallowyou didnt immediately understand what it was doing, you merely *felt* it which is a completely different, but you didnt understand how it accomplished that. Just because you felt the right emotion doesnt mean you understand the writing devices and techniques the story used to elicit that emotion, and its that what you need to grasp in order to understand interpret a piece of art and actually grasp the deeper meaning that is born from the symbols, metaphors, references etc. working together to create an additional layer of the story. making something that easily and directly elicits emotion is its own skill, but its not a substitute for creating real artistic depth, that would just be a hack writer employing popular tropes and archetypes without understanding what they were originally in service of.>The other thing I don't buy is this idea that normal people are basically colorblind to good art while the patricians can see the secret layers.normal people only like good art by coincidence, the kind that knows how to jingle keys to keep the layman entertained while simultaneously building a greater layer of depth. if that layer was gone, the layman wouldnt be able to tell if the patrician didnt tell them, which is what traditionally the role of the critic was before they succumbed to the pressures of the entertainment industry.
This isn't really about isekai specifically but why do the masses eat up such low level garbage. It can be harem slot, it can be isekai shit, it can even be MCU garbage. It's not that I expect or want everything to be such high level concept artistry but why must it be so bottom of the barrel? I like to think people are generally intelligent. I like to think the best in humanity. But then someone tells me how much they loved Ready Player One and I die a little inside each time.
>>290246419>I like to think people are generally intelligentThe average person is NOT intelligent, go outside and interact with people and you'll see this. And that also means that half of the people are dumber than the average person.
>>290228139Just make something better and have it be super popular.
>>290228356Imagine you are a gamer in 2026 and get transported back in time to 1996. Would you be much better at 1996 games just because you have experience with 3 decades of games more than other people?
Worst part is that the issue isn't the concept of isekai itself, it's the fact that most stories with that setting are HUGE power fantasies, so of course it reeks of escapism.It's a shame we never had more isekai stories like Twelve Kingdoms. I'm not saying it's a masterpiece or anything because it's not, but omit the chinese autism and it's a compelling story where even the MC struggles like hell to even have something done, starting with the fucking language barrier or having a functional magic weapon. Romance is at most teased, but it's not the focus. Fanservice is nonexistant. All you have left is the story
>5-10 isekai every season.>"I think I'm getting tired of this???"I'd fucking hope so.
>>290228578female votenot that I think they shouldn’t have the right to vote, I just know that they’ll destroy society with it and we’re gonna let them do it out of principle because what else can you do
>>290228139I mean in the first place it was going to happen at some point just because of oversaturation.Same reason we no longer death game shit, east or west.
>>290228139People ITT.
>>290228356>get born into rich family>get born in healthy body>get born with magical powersYes you fucking would. Bitch's retarded
>>290228139>>I want the trend of being reincarnated into another world to just end already. It makes me wonder—is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?they could fix all of that if they started air dropping japanese kids in the middle of india to then rebuild the country with the survivors
>>290228578>>290228796both world wars
>>290245026Some people literally only use shit like internet all day because no one wants to do anything outside and no one around them gives what they want to do a fair shake. I get constantly ridiculed by my parents and other family who I share anything with for having certain hobbies but when I ask if they want to play a sport or something at the park or do anything outside 99% of the time they say no. This also goes for like everyone I know. Also a case where I have good ideas about things but no one listens and I'm not in a decision making position nor have any chance to do so. I even apply for jobs but never hear anything back because everything is done online and thus there is never a real 1 to 1 conversation with people so they can't actually judge me based on my work ethic or not because it is proven that White males literally don't get hired anymore unless there is zero other choice, so people toss out my resumes based on just that. I haven't worked a full time job since like 2021 because no one gives me the time of day when I do apply. Even going in person and asking. Why even bother reaching out if every time I get denied or burned?That being said, some people are addicted to shit like internet and gacha and you are right about them, they have no impulse control. But some people only partake in massive computer use because there isn't much else to do in their position. I would go out and lay brick if I had the opportunity and if there weren't 10000 permits you needed to be a brick layer.People are frustrated with how shit modern society is in general. Japs still have it way better than the West because of demographics, but even they have legitimate grievances and they are learning about why demographics are important lately.
>>290228578Industrial Revolution, global finance, and the obsession with cheap non White labor.
>ridculed by my parents and other family.Why people live such shit lives? Are functional families so rare?
>>290231617>Do rom-com or horror or other genres not have this problem?If we were having seasons where like 90% of the shows were cookie-cutter templated horror, people would absolutely be complaining about horror. People do complain about the glut of formulaic romcoms where the girl likes the boy because he's nice, it takes 1000 chapters for them to make eye contact and 2000 more to hold hands, at which point the series ends.The backlash towards isekai is the result of two things: over a decade of sustained overexposure, and the generally low quality of the adapted material. Most isekai shit is coming from Narou, which is barely a step up from the dregs of FF.net or AO3. These are unskilled amateur writers with no editors to guide them and little life experience, so what you end up getting is the same "truck-kun into Dragon Quest" combo over and over and over again. The overwhelming majority of this shit flops too, but the industry has kept spamming it in the hopes of lucking into one more Konosuba or Slime that prints enough money to make up for all the flops. It's only recently that they've started to calm down a bit, but it's going to take a long time for the isekai tag to stop being an instant drop for many anime/manga fans after all these years.
>>290228139for the past 5 years people have been spamming and screaming "isekai will die soon!" and it hasn't happened, japs keep lopping it up so at this point it just sounds like cope>2 more weeks
>>290233182theoretically every incel on earth is a volcel, in a technical sense an incel genuinely cannot exist it just means they haven't tried or cared enough
>>290228139>double digit isekai released every season>fatigue only JUST set infucking freaks!
>>290235866normalfags hate losers enjoying things they don't like, so keep enjoying things bro
>>290243137>People aren't bored with the genre, they're bored with the same old boring stories they've seen a billion times before.No, we're bored of superheroes. "Subversive" capeshit is even more done to death than vanilla capeshit.
>>290228139Based the current output, isekai will always be a large segment of anime produced. It is the perfect otaku blend of escapism. The output may be reduced overtime but it will never truly go away.
>>290231933>Yusuke was the original Truck-kun victim
>>290228387That just makes it even sadder. Even when given a fresh start, you still believe you're so useless that you require every single crutch imaginable just so you don't immediately shit your pants and die. Like, that is a whole new level of learned helplessness.
>>290247999>destroy societyI think men are doing that just fine right now
>>290249685It's not even Japan slurping this shit up the hardest, it's SEAmonkeys and jeets. Truly the lowest common denominator genre.
>>290248395No you wouldn't, you'd just become a typical failson that relies on the family's influence just to keep your sorry ass from being hit with consequences.
>>290228356based
>>290228356like other anon said, this is why the don't just restart but have also a cheat skill
>>290228578Japan is pretty bad, they country is nice, but there is a cost in that. Basically you overwork yourself, but to just to live alone in a shitbox just to barely sleep and with no one saying to you "good job"
>>290249754Romcoms are doing just fine, and there's way more romcoms than isekai.
man, even if it's in you to like isekai, how can you STILL like isekai
>>290231933None of that shit was "isekai". Nobody that like Narou isekai likes isekai-as-a-plot; they like Narou and are plot agnostic.
>>290231947Anon if you don't see the fundamental difference between superheroes meant to give kids something to look up to and shameless escapist masterbation, I don't know what to tell you.
I don’t really care about the isekai aspect but that’s the genre with overpowered MCs fucking a bunch of hot girls of all kinds of species. I can only hope the next trend includes harems getting fucked. >>290250202
>>290228796>Capitalism>Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot or a useful idiotthisLast Stage CapitalismOne-Stop-Shop for Evidence of our Social, Moral and Ideological RotJapan in Danger!
>>290247932The genre itself as old as writing itself. When did the word isekai actually start being used as a genre term. Because for the longest time we either just lumped it with regular fantasy or called it something like Portal Fantasy. Once people started becoming obsessed with TROPES and inventing new terms for things works have basically lost all identity. They become paint by numbers or written like it was with a checklist. I honestly can't get over how they can't even change the stupid truck.
>>290250251Romance novels and media have been mankind's friend forever. It can't be helped.
>>290250363What are you trying to say? People look down on Precure and Rider fans the same way they do to isekai fans, to them the only acceptable anime are le deep anime like Evangelion and Shingeki no Kyojin.Am I supposed to take these people seriously?
>>290250914Because anglos don't know what Narou is to call it Narou. They just got social media infected by the low value concept of calling it "isekai" even though there is not a pube-width of difference when you start talking about like "kicked from the party" or "secretly overpowered skill" or a dozen other fad Narou plots.
>>290228139>>290228356It's not just simply real life that's awful to live in. It's real life in current year, with inflation far surpassing any wage increases and cost of living shooting through the roof. Simply being reincarnated in the 1950s would already be better, never mind in another world.
>>290250979>What are you trying to say? People look down on Precure and Rider fans the same way they do to isekai fans,No they look down on those groups for being grown ass adults watching shows for babies.
>>290228894>>290229775>>290230307Doned's only mistake was not defending his world with his life. If you truly believe in something, you should die defending it. Marche's victory not resulting in the corpses of Doned and the others is why I can't take that story seriously. Besides, no matter how unhealthy escapism is, it's still healthier than dying.
I love the trend of millionaire trust fund kiddies being baffled why the average person is totally checked out of reality.They feel the need to go on streams and interviews to announce how absolutely unhinged they are. Too bad normalfags will never wake up and just start shooting at these faggots whenever their luxury cars happen to be outside their gated communities and heavily secired villas.
>>290231641Right, you should instead work 100+ hours a week with all your overtime being completely unpaid. That's totally the healthier option. Yeah.
>>290251227But violence bad....
>>290241716Tbh the reason why most isekai stories give MC everything on a silver platter is because it's much easier to do than the gradual progress that is self-improvement. In other words, most authors are hacks. Pretty much everyone who wants to be isekai'd will be more than happy with having to put in effort to improve, because unlike in real life, especially current year, effort is actually guaranteed to translate into visible results. This is also the same reason why so many stories have stat systems: to more clearly and obviously display improvement.
>>290244184Offhand I remember Barrier Master
And yet the one dying is battle shounen.
>>290241716>>290251451Also no you do not sound like a boomer. Those who actually sound like boomers are the ones who don't understand how shit the world has become compared to past decades. How little you get for the same amount of effort compared to past decades. How working a minimum wage job used to be enough to buy you a big fancy house after 10 years but now wouldn't even be enough to pay off rent for a cramped one room apartment. Put it another way, unlike what >>290228356 claims, people who can't accomplish anything here actually CAN accomplish shit just by reincarnating into another world, simply because the bar to clear is *that* much lower. That's the thing that the vast majority of people ITT and outside simply don't get.
>>290251153What's the difference? They're telling people to stop liking isekai or kid shows, it's none of their business, there's nothing wrong with people liking isekai
>>290228578Japan's economy And America's will likely collapse by the end of the decade.
>>290251785Not the same. Of course you can watch whatever you like even if god forbid you are into furry shit. But people will judge you for your taste whether you like it or not.
>>290242712>better written than MTLmaoooooDo you confuse wishfulfillment with good writing you absolute mongoloid?
>>290247908Yes.
>>290247908Worked for Konoha
>>290252234Well have you read MT or twelve kingdoms? If you haven’t you won’t realize that MT is the better written series and you’re only embarrassing yourself. Samefagging won’t help you.
MT is designed in a way which no other isekai author can replicate no matter how hard they try.There existed some very mediocre isekai series in the past, series that didn’t even manage to surpass MT’s mediocre arcs.You see when it comes to isekai there was first the dark age.Twelve kingdoms, escaflowne etc.These are all works that were mediocre to the core, absolutely unremarkable series made for the female audience forgotten in like a few years and nobody even talked about them for ages. Do you notice how you have to constantly barge in MT threads and remind MTchads how their inferior series also exist? This is because they’re inferior and if you made a thread about them they would die quite fast. In fact they wouldn’t even get like 2 replies. I know this is a hard pill to swallow.But anyhow, before Mushoku Tensei there was the dark age of isekai. Works such as I mentioned above were frankly trash and nobody took them seriously.Then came the age of shousetuka ni narou: leadale no daichi nite, Meikyuu harem, Re monster and some new narou series started sprouting but also not many people gave a rats ass about those. Because they had this one gimmick and bam author wrote themselves into a corner they quickly devolved into cheap fast food type shlock. Nobody even cared how they would end and most of them never did end either or ended in a way that was awful.But then came the light of civilization so to say. Came MT which was like the Roman Empire civilizing all the barbarian savages. It opened the gate. It opened the way.Sadly of course, even after it showed others the way none of them managed to surpass MT which stayed as a masterpiece to this day.
>290252487I read up to the second fight with ostred or whatever the fuck his name is. Then I realized it was just series of dumb shonenshit tier fights under multiple layers of wishfulfillment for self inserters so I dropped. It was never the masterpiece you fags claimed>290252487>quintessential copypasta after getting btfo'dlol>samefaglmao what a clownNever change mtfag
>>290252659Calm down ack....just because your agenda has been subverted doesn't mean you have to lash out.
>>290250979At worst, people look down on precure fans because they're generally seen as creepy dudes lusting over the little girls. In terms of Kamen Rider thougj I have never seen anyone actively mock someone for being into it. Power Rangers is far too embedded in mainstream pop culture for that to make any sort of sense.
Whether "anime should be le deep philosophy">never was btw, real /lit/ makes all anime look like shit for teenagers at bestlike it or not, escapism is appealing to many people and while I think it's oversaturated right now, it certainly will always be a core aspect of anime
>>290249783>No, we're bored of superheroes. "Subversive" capeshit is even more done to death than vanilla capeshit.Comparing capeshit and narou/yomu isekai is retarded. The situation with Hollywood and here are not even remotely the same.Some people like ack are completely clueless retards sadly.
>>290252907Ack isn't even a prob much anymore after jannies perma raped him, the loser gets killed on sight now for going out of line.
>>290252773Kamen rider fans get dunked on all the time, I see tons of normalfags on twitter call them autistic manchildren.
>>290252773It's not like that in Japan, just like how the Japanese dude in the op is looking down on isekai, they look down on Rider fans and tell them to grow the fuck up.But what you said has some truth to it, it's not that bad for rider that's why they make some toys for adult that cost 50k+ yen but with Precure or other franchise for girls there's literally nothing for men, the companies have to pass up free money not making toys that pander to male otakus because liking shows for little girls is le bad, it's morally wrong according to these people.I think wish fulfilment isekai is cringe but I'll never tell people to stop liking it, or the companies to stop making stuffs for them because they're allowed to like what they like.
>>290233331Grimgar is fucking nuts a few volumes after where the anime leaves off. It kind of goes weird for a bit when they find another dimension in a dungeon, then everything goes to shit and they go to a different different dimension, then they finally get back and go an Odyssey like expedition to get home that ends with them in a different different different dimension (when they were almost back) where everyone is nuts and has a power based on their mental illness, then everyone gets mindwiped again when they finally make it back to the starting area except Mary because she died earlier and got revived by having the MPD consciousness of the No Life King that gets new voices by transferring between people stuffed into her and one of the alt personalities ate the memory wipe after taking control for the entirety of the mental illness dimension.Also orcs took over almost everything and half the cast died and the world started ending, but that's a whole different conversation.
>>290253071>the companies have to pass up free money not making toys that pander to male otakus because liking shows for little girls is le bad,I think the bigger issue is it might confuse or even taint the brand. Your target demo is still little girls and you don't want to create the image that this isn't wholly appropriate for them.
>>290233331>>290253575Well. Piss. You know if you go just by the anime I don't think Grimgar was a bad little series. It's certainly not power fantasy but it had this melancholic tone were they kind of grew to accept their lot.
>>290253612I'd argue it kept pretty reasonable up until the author read Alice in Wonderland and decided the story needed a trippy what the fuck is happening arc. Though the schizo goo was also kind of a decision.
>>290233331Grimgar didn't seem that interesting to me.I think Zero no Tsukaima is still the best Isekai even if S4 was rushed and the author died before the LN finished. I can name other good ones but ZnT is still my favorite because the anime concluded satisfactorily and it knew from the begining what it set out to do, in the anime anyway. The LN becomes convoluted in some ways because of the author dying.The issue with most Isekai is they fall victim to scale creep and power scaling, or the worlds they take place in feel ill considered by the author or pretty generic.Ironically Overlord doesn't have this despite people complaining about it. Most Isekai I like don't have power creep and power scaling problems, the only one that I like that does do it is probably Villainess Level 99
>>290253580There's nothing to taint the brand man, it's not like they're asking for naked figurine or anything, they just want a high quality figures that's as good as what other series get, the price will be out of reach for little girls that's why if they make it some people will use it to attack the company for pandering to le disgusting otakus.For example Gundam can make cheap stuffs for kids and expensive stuffs for adults exactly because it's acceptable for adults to like Gundam.
>>290228139>It makes me wonder—is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?yes
>>290253716>it's acceptable for adults to like GundamI make it my mission to bully all Gundam fags when I saw two series, one was middling and the other flat out bad. Gundam is infantile and Gundamfags need a stigma attached to them
>>290228139Where did the trend of dying before you get Isekai'd started? older Isekai series like "El Hazard" and "Those Who Hunt Elves" had the characters being teleported via magic/science to another World without dying, even older stuff like "Alice In Wonderland" and "Wizard Of Oz" had a rabbit hole and a tornado as portals respectively (no death)
>>290243520>and a frog with funnyI knew this thread was filled with tourists. God damn.
>>290253992Oldest I know is John Carter. Who seemed to die back in the 1800s only to wake up on mars. Oh, also I guess there's the religious angle.
>>290248526Just lie lol. Lie until you get caught, and then face near zero consequences because society is a joke.
>>290254183>Just lieI'm not brown enough to do that
>>290254194Is the president brown?
>>290254199Yes, orange is just bright brown
>>290254205>willing to lie to yourself but not to othersgood goy
>>290228139These bunch of faggots start only complaining now? The problem was never the whole purpose of "isekai", the problem was always retarded and uncreative authors copying other existing works like a fucking template, then making the same uninteresting characters (especially main characters) and a world as interesting as dry bread.Isekai is just the perfect theme to demonstrate how fucking worthless and retarded an author can be, most of their authors continue to make worlds that run on handwaved vibes instead of actual thinking people with their own needs and tastes interacting with each other, with the real world they at least had an illusion in place that the background isn't a void of personality, not so with isekai. They don't even try to make a GATE type of Isekai, because they know they can't actually worldbuild an isekai world to be as interesting as the real world, perfectly demonstrating how much these authors truly give a shit about their writing.
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruelYes? What fucking planet is this guy living on?
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?Yes. But I still hate Isekai anyway.
>>290228139>>290228356t. Riajuu
>>290253754been looking for this image since forever, thanks
>>290235866Essentially "crab bucket" mentality.
>>290254504Isekai will die but you know whatever the next big popular thing is, you know whatever the next trend setter is, is going to have the same level of mindless copycats plaguing us just as long. The problem doesn't go away because the flavor changed.
>>290241716>>290235866we went from creating lasting aspirational figures to just putting ourselves in the work. A character like Conan is absolutely escapist fantasy, we pretended to be Conan, we wanted to be like Conan. We had fantasies of fighting monsters, getting the damsels and being a general badass of legend. The Hyborean ages is world of HIGH ADVENTURE! Isekai is different though. Isekai is just LITERALLY ME. But I suck. And it's not like the story has a me that doesn't suck. In fact a lot of the time I suck even harder than I might in real life. This somehow makes me a worthy choice for a god to give cheat powers to and then set me off on my way to a world that functions like a video game. I'm not on some quest. I'm not out to slay a great evil. I'm just supposed to sandbox this shit I guess but that doesn't make for an interesting story. I'm not interesting. And changing my location doesn't make me interesting. There's a reason a lot of older isekai heroes tried to get home. And then you have the kicked out revenge fad which is just pure narrative seethe.
>>290254504>the problem was always retarded and uncreative authors copying other existing works like a fucking templateTo be fair, they are all amateur writers on some random website. The problem is that the nips with jewish mindset at kusokawa had a bright idea of producing anime base on these amateur series and nip zoomers keep gobbling them up like whores on crack
>>290228356Lol
>>290248395>get born in healthy bodyPut down the fork, fatty. You were born into a healthy body and now you're balding and morbidly obese because of your own choices.
>>290252487>have you read this story about a morbidly obese pedophile
>>290229610Holy retardation. People have been saying that over a decade already, and guess what? No ome remembers tower of gook or that king of the highschool shit
>>290228578it all happened when beloved character Chef san was killed off American anime series South Park
>>290228356The only ones who say that are complete losers who never went out of their way to go beyond their comfort zones, nor ever managed to grasp the opportunities that come with a changing situation/environment, so they'll just assume everyone else is a loser like them. It's the same kind of projection as the ultra-vocal supposed anti-pedos that soon after end up getting arrested for being pedos themselves.
Isekai makes people seethe because isekai does the opposite of most fiction. While isekai are aesthetically similar to each other, they are each very unique structurally as they don't follow standardized structure formulas in many cases. Popular things like battle-shounen do the opposite wherein they are aesthetically unique, but structurally very similar. The contrast between isekai and mainstream stuff makes these traits very noticeable and thus shatters the illusion of originality for mainstream stuff. So a reaction caused by this cognitive dissonance is that isekai is just forcefully portrayed as "low-quality" and "not even worthy of comparison" in hopes that this somehow restores the illusion. This is also why evaluation standards for isekai are so blatantly changed from story/characters/world-building to just bullshit such as "many tropes, bad, fewer tropes, good". All in the name of protecting the "originality illusion" of mainstream stuff.
>>290228139Oh nooooooooooooo yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeweeeeeeeehfjwjejjdjendjdjejdiwoskjwidusg2fshsb
>>290228578Past 2000s
>>290255513It's all about Donghua now.Total Chink Takeover.Trust the plan.
>>290248553>and the obsession with cheap non White labor.We used to get cheap white labor too when countries like italy and spain were basically third world countries.
>>290228139Japanese are getting poorer and poorer after decades of living the 1st world life style, this isekai trend becoming worse just shows how the japanese must feel seeing their country becoming a cheap tourist destination to the likes of thailand and philippines and seeing all the tourists having way more money than they do while they keep poorer, to the point they now stopped having fantasies of ecchi harem set in highschool and just swapped it to getting out of japan and reincarnating in another world.
>>290256064https://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0
>>290228210First post most pathetic post because holy shit, you are not even "doing good" in an isekai you are reading about some nondescript NPC doing well.
>>290233281that's nice anon, but some people just want some dragons to slay. and not gay metaphorical ones.
>>290245280really it's pretty funny how many people miss the obvious hint in the title. Rudy's only moral failing in the author's eyes was being "jobless", so that's the only aspect the author thinks he needs to improve on, his motivation.
>>290247908If you were alive then, yes. If they weren't alive then, no, they'd be filtered by tank controls and the non-identical un-"solved" game design.
>>290236514I don't think even liberals say this anymore, everybody feels fucking depressed
>>290229550If isekai fad ever ends, japs have *at least* three routes to follow:- Romcom is the very first that comes in my mind, because Kaguya, Rent-a-Girlfriend and some others were succesful hits; “will they, won't they” seems almost to be a fetish- the second is “YOU ARE EXPELLED FROM MY HIGH-RANK PARTY, FUCK OFF AND KYS!” premise as some stories end up with MC either moving on to another party and being more succesful than before while the other enters a fail streak or it becomes revengeslop because jap work model, or so I've heard- the third is what I call “fauxia” stories, which take place in China with chink characters, but avoid the main topic that Wuxia/Xianxia stories have in common: Cultivation, not to mention the authors are japanese “chinkaboos”; examples are Maomao, Kingdom, The Raven at the Inner Palace and more recent Though I'm an Inept Villainess.
>>290256064im starting to worry about the isekaifags, i used to think they just willingly enjoy slop but maybe they are actually clinically retarded
>>290259320- this has already crystalized as the standard shonen romcom, and its already starting to become self referential with things like hyakkano and makeine showing up- this is just isekai adjacent or native isekai, since it still uses all the same templates (adventurers guild, heros party, demon king, ranking system), just without the isekai setup which makes it seem more stupid- the japanese have been "chinkaboos" for as long as they have existed and taking inspiration from traditional chinese culture is just making a comeback after the two countries got estranged during japans fascism phase
I promise you, what takes the place of isekai will be so much worse.My guess? Influencer and VTuber waifuslop.
>>290228139It feels like Isekai is a bit on the downwards trend though, we get tons of non Isekai fantasy every season. The problem is it uses the exact same formula as isekai aside from the beginning
>>290228139>>290228230yesbut don't worry, my anon(s)it's gonna get so much worse
>>290228356don't show japcels this trvke
>>290231399>it is the kids these days who are lazy
>>290228356Hence "cheat abilities" and special "hero" status
>>290244184Reincarnation Colosseum.
>>290257342>>290260293Doubling down on the denial by just insisting once again that "isekai... bad" still doesn't make it true. You faggots can't even explain why isekai is supposedly bad aside from very superficial aspects or by deluding yourself into being god-tier psycho-analysts who can somehow perfectly psycho-analyze both the authors and the audiences of all isekai. Don't even get me started on shit like "all isekai are the same" while being unable to show even one concrete example of two isekai being nearly identical.
>>290228356so why do people immigrate to new countries? They think they can achieve something more, right? Isn't that the same thing as isekai?
>>290263498Indeed it's the same. When you go way back you observe that the Europeans sailed to the New World. Travelling to a different continent is literally isekai.
>>290229550Dungeon streamers. Trust me. I see the future.
>>290259320>- Romcom is the very first that comes in my mind, because Kaguya, Rent-a-Girlfriend and some others were succesful hits; “will they, won't they” seems almost to be a fetishI mean that would just be going back to the Rumiko Takahashi formula
>>290228356You know he's right because of all the cope and seethe.
>>290252514>pedo tensei fag writes another tl;dr post to cope about the world finally turning against it
>>290247016Don't pretend your first anime ever wasn't some kind of shonen.It's a lack of interest, they don't dive into the hobby, it's like old people on computers it's not a lack of intelligence it's the fact your dad does not want to give a shit about this tech. He doesn't need it. Casuals don't care about great works, certainly not why they're great and you're the only one who cared leading you to build a knowledge base becoming capable of differentiating. You graduated from nerd school now with your self-important diploma in good taste.Their lack of intelligence is your abundance of it, huh.
Did you know that during a 10 years period after Evangelion's famous Ikari Shinji, fragile boy MCs started showing up in every other anime.watch more anime
>>290267228Eva's trend was more about totally important philosophical social commentaries featuring REAL PEOPLE in dark cities. We were repute of that shit by the the newave moe saved anime, i tell you what.
You are too weak to handle isekai...
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?Yes.
>>290228356they hated him because he told the truth
>>290254980>Got bored from the Cimmerian life>Started travelling at the age of 15>Already get a reputation for being a mighty warrior.>Have the simple wishes of fighting, getting rich and fucking.>Ends up a king.>With his own strength and wits.Conan is too much for the Narou audience.
>>290263498The key difference is that the people immigrating actually were trying to start a new life. Or they were running from tanks. They weren't just fucking around in "adventures guilds" because the writer can't think up how to create conflict. God even the very concept of adventurer guilds makes me want to wretch.
>>290228356Reading the replies to this post made me realize how many actual losers I share this board with
>>290268004When I was a fighting man, the kettle drums they beatThe people scattered gold dust before my horse’s feet.But now I am a great king, the people hound my trackWith poison in my wine cup, and daggers at my backGleaming shell of an outworn lie, fable of Right divineYou gained your crowns by heritage, but Blood was the price of mine.The throne that I won by blood and sweat, by Crom, I will not sellFor promise of valleys filled with gold, or threat of the Halls of HellWhat do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft, and the lieI, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky.The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords singRush in and die, dogs, I was a man before I was a king
>>290248526>I would go out and lay brick if I had the opportunityKek I've known a few neets and all of them have said this. Yet when given an opportunity they never take it and instead do nothing or create some excuse then lament about the missed opportunity when it has passed. >and if there weren't 10000 permits you needed to be a brick layerAnd there is the excuse. There are always shit jobs for bottom feeders but you people think you're too good for it.You won't do shit. You think you will do shit. You might want to do shit. But you won't because like all neets you have no willpower and basic self-discipline. I really hope you're underage or at most in your early 20s because I can't imagine a grown adult typing this.
>>290268432>Yet when given an opportunity they never take itI literally was doing it for a time and the only reason I stopped is because it was a temp job and I don't have a driver's license which was required for full time. I would have kept going if I could and if there was reliable transportation for me.>And there is the excuse. There are always shit jobs for bottom feeders but you people think you're too good for it.I won't work service, but I will do other manual labor no problem. But getting 100 fake permits to lay fucking brick is just bureaucratic bloat and corruption to waste time and money of the average person
>A soldier who dove on a live grenade to save his comrades>A fire fighter who gave his life to pull a child out of a burning building >A worthless gamer shut in who never did anything good for anyone and spends all day watching anime and jacking offWho should the gods favor?
>>290268742God doesn't care about circumstance, it's how you act when there is a moment to do something. Some people just never get the opportunity to do anything, living humbly has always been seen as a virtue for a reason in societies that aren't hyper materialistic. Modern society is in a weird place right now where there literally are not enough jobs and things for people to do, and society is so atomized it is hard to get connections with your community unless you are already a big participant. In the past a lot of those idle hands would be doing stuff like learning to read and copying books, or farming, or whatever else. Most jobs are fake bureaucratic jobs.
>>290230938Isn't the Tomb Raider guy's anime doing well right now
>>290268052This doesn't happen in any isekai ever. Name one.
>>290257377You misunderstand and perhaps, willfully so. You're still young, get offline for a while.
>>290268880>Some people just never get the opportunity to do anything, living humbly has always been seen as a virtue for a reason in societies that aren't hyper materialistic.Oh shut the fuck up. You have a life you have an opportunity. You make your own choices about what you do. This isn't about materialism. Fuck if anything to do nothing retard is more materialistic because he's not making anything of himself. This is the same bullshit you see in MHA. "It's not my fault. It's unfair." It explains a whole lot about the success of the medium when it basically rides on the notion that the self insert isn't the architect of his own life. It's built on the notion of unfairness. That it's everything else to blame you wound up this way and if you just had magic cheat powers given to you it'd turn around.
>>290231003The question is did you roll for that specific life yourself or was it rolled for you
>>290269148>It's built on the notion of unfairnessThings are unfair. I've made peace with that long ago. Only idiots think "life is fair". If they do think that it is because they are in a position where they have had multiple things going for them. They were at the right place at the right time to meet critical connections, was born to the correct people, and had certain talents that meshed well with their already living circumstances, etc.There are plenty of people who fail in the modern day because simply put, society is aimless. It used to be that a job would naturally happen upon you just from the people you know and the structures around you, nowadays you literally have to find one, and not only that, but merit means nothing for them - it is all about connections. Even worse that we are in an era of easy mass transport and so people can just move at will, meaning you are competing with the entire world and not just your local area. Someone like me never had a chance at something great because simply put, I never had the circumstances for it. Not to mention that in general, we are in an era of decadence and decline. Even coveting success in this era is a waste of time because of how unstable everything is.Not even talking about cheat powers, just circumstance. Again, this modern era is unlike any other in how society is structured. Normal merit is worthless.
>>290268742What the fuck are you even talking about? What isekai has God "choose" an MC whose main characteristic is being "A worthless gamer shut in who never did anything good for anyone and spends all day watching anime and jacking off"? The only case even remotely tangentially related to that description, Hell Mode, has a 5-8 working fully functioning member of society salaryman as the MC who just happens to have a hard-core /v/idya hobby in his free time and he fits what one of the otherworld's gods needs in a plausible way that becomes very apparent as the story continues. That's just one and it's not even a good match to what you said. And aside from that? None, nada. When you make a point don't conjure them up from thin air. Make a point that actually applies to isekai, retard.
>>290250022nigga that's how half of successful people function in this day and age. Dig into any rich person's history and it's a mixture of cover ups and getting catapulted into success through familial connections. ESPECIALLY the ones who want to pretend they're self made
>>290252907>Comparing capeshit and narou/yomu isekai is retarded.Not really. They've been the dominant recycled slop templates in western and Japanese media respectively for over a decade (going on two in capeshit's case) and have become symbolic of creative bankruptcy and stuck culture as a result.
>>290252871Not wanting every other anime in a season to be a low-budget adaptation of some awful "My Immortal"=level crap from a glorified fanfiction website is not the same as wanting all anime to be "le deep" or even hating escapism.
>>290252514>But then came the light of civilization so to say. Came MT which was like the Roman Empire civilizing all the barbarian savages. It opened the gate. It opened the way.Aura Battler Dunbine is 10 times the story MT is and it was there decades before it.
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?>t. privileged danger hair faggot
>>290270318Capeshit is just burger battle-shounen though.
>>290228356TRVKE. Stop isekai right now.
>>290228139>—is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this much?what a boomerPeople can't afford houses, can't afford children, they can't afford to live, their countries are overrun by foreigners who hate them, their home country prioritizes the foreigner and hates the citizen, you pay taxes on everything, the government finds new ways to take away your rights and squeeze you dry more and more each year, nothing ever gets better, laws increasingly stop favoring you, and each year you're told the country will run out of money for social security long before you ever get a chance. People want an isekai because they want a chance to start over in a system that isn't hopeless from the start, where even your basic skills will be appreciated, and you can simply build a house without it being declared illegal and the government tears it down the next day because the government owns all the land. They want a system that at least gives you a chance to build from the bottom up, rather than system that's already designed to fuck you over before you're even born.
>>290228139I can't believe that after more than a decade of repeating the same reincarnation story thousands of times made people bored with the concept
>>290271314>the same reincarnation storyWhich is... what exactly? It's always the same thing supposedly, yet no one, not a single person who claimed that, ever, has been able to point out what this "always the same story" actually is. It should be very easy to say it when you have seen "the same story" even just 10 times, not to mention 1000 times. Yet all I see are excuses, vague-posting and dodgy phrases like "it's sooo MUH obvious, you are at fault for not getting it!" or leaps in logic like "both introduce an adventurer guild in the first book, therefore everything until book 15 is identical!" But hey, maybe (You) are the one to finally enlighten me about what this "same story" is?
>>290234463Unless you understand how X works and can replicate it, you're still just a peasant that will probably go into shock under 500 year old conditions. Knowing about penicillin or airplanes is useless if you can't make it yourself.
>>290247908I'd be that fag baiting Sonic in smash cheat codes.
>>290258710If you are a true otaku then you can overcome any barrier like that. Normalfags would get filtered though
>>290228356Many of the anons here would fail in reincarnation scenarios once they actually have to put in grit and it becomes apparent the new world and people aren't just NPCs waiting to be wowed because you can wipe your ass.
>>290228578When mobile phones were invented. Then people realized just how much their own life sucks, rule of law is a lie, and just how much billionares rule over them. You can't articulate how much your own conditions suck until you can picture how much better it could be.
>>290272573Things were trending this way since the industrial revolution. You could even argue the enlightenment.
I dunno why you anons reply to threads like these, the purpose isn't to discuss isekai but to attack your identity or make you feel insecure. Threads like these are sorta like the ones on /v/, they don't discuss video games but instead off topic culture war. This thread isn't about anime. It's about making fun of neets to get them to reply to the continuous bait being spammed.
>>290232019>>290233182>>290233665>>290249730>normie>incel>volcel
>>290228139you been saying this shit for like 3 years and yet the slop doesn't stop
>>290228139Most peoples lives suck, so they escape to the unreal world of fiction. The pushback comes from those with an ego far too inflated and those that believe they are more important than others. Those types of people believe most art isn't some form of escapism and they are above that. It's a very pathetic mentality. The ones who indulge in that escapism and recognize that it is escapism but still do so anyway are much more honest.
>>290270816Okay, but let's not kid ourselves. Isekai doesn't actually delve into any of that. It's not making any social commentary or commiserating with the average joe on what's shit about modern life. What it's actually doing is stroking the ego of the lowest common denominator. It's running for student council on a platform of recess all day and ice cream for lunch.Also, most of this isekai slop goes for a faux-medieval setting that conveniently glosses over how much it would have sucked to be a peasant with no modern medicine or sanitation, which just further shows that the appeal of this shit is lowbrow fantasy, not a reaction to societal problems.
>>290273114You sound pretentious desu, kinda insane how you can't comprehend why people want escapism like "I am the hero and a million women love me" or whatever. You can call it trashy or whatever but it has a purpose, people want to indulge. Focusing on the gritty life of a farmer from 1000 years ago is not appealing escapism to many. Instead many prefer that farmer can somehow cure all diseases that plague his land instantly. We already have enough media focusing on the depressing aspects of modern life.
>>290273188No, what's pretentious is acting like the popularity of slop like Re:Zero and MT is because of some thoughtful reaction to housing prices and immigration policy. The majority of the audience for this stuff is either teenagers who weren't buying a house yet anyway or the same turd-worlders being flooded into our countries.It's fine to like trashy escapism, but why not just admit it instead of pretending it's deeper than it is?
>>290273339Well I think it's trashy and I love it, however acting like most anime is above isekai is quite the take. Anime is a pretty lowbrow medium. We get tons of romcom/ boy meets girl or Yuri escapism every season that is very blatant. We get slow life, nothing ever happens and everyone's happy anime every season. We get action, well we always triumph against the bad guys in the end! Anime every season. So what's your point?
>>290273401>Anime is a pretty lowbrow medium.Maybe, but something has to be the lowest of the brows, and most isekai has been exactly that. I don't even blanket hate all isekai, some of it has some charm and life to it, but when the industry has spent the past 10+ years adapting any old slop they can scrounge with the isekai tag from bad amateur writers on a website, there's going to be a lot of garbage. And it's hard not to wish all those resources and staff had been directed towards something else instead.
>>290273578Hm, well I disagree because I like it. Narou is fun.
>>290229610>implying it won't be about cultivationdo you even cultivate, bro?
>>290228139fucking finally
>>290228139https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F4WOxzv_wOkThe jp YouTube comments are clowning on him calling him an out of touch old man.
>>290269060konosuba. Do you never realize the main cast are there at the adventure guild half the time just fucking around getting new jobs, eating and doing nothing fucking productive most of the time? Then there's that campfire isekai where all the MC and the wolf does whenever they stop by a guild is to sell shit and then fuck around with the guild masters and how OP they accidentally are instead of just ignoring them and just nope the fuck out of town
>>290274198The main cast literally get rich and fuck around because they are successful by like S2
>>290274198Konosuba is a slapstick comedy nigga, nice job outing yourself.
>>290274198>konosubaThis has to be bait. No way someone's this stupid.
>>290274283You asked, I gave an answer. Ask an AI next time if you don't expect an obvious answer you retarded larper.
>>290274325Oh now you're angry after people dunked on you? Damn you're weird lil bro.
>>290269060I liked Odayaka Kizoku no Kyuuka no Susume a lot, but I have to admit, Lizel spends a ton of time throughout that show flirting with Studdo-kun at the guild.
>>290274390>Odayaka Kizoku no Kyuuka no Susume anon...
>>290274149This comment was really good, really exposed how behind with the times these guys are.浅野いにお「ま、要するに現実見たくねえんだろうなみたいな、なんかこう他責な感じ。」俺だったらこう言う。「現実を観たくない、自分の能力をほっぽって、周りにどうにかしてもらいたいと思うのは他力本願で、受動性の極みだ」氏はそこで「他責」という言葉を使うが、それは微妙にずれている。なぜなら彼ら＝なろう民が世界、国、政府を批判してるかはわからないのだから。なろうを読むような層を大雑把に分類するのが許されるのなら、彼らはあまり自分が考えたりしないし、自分から行動もしない。何より彼らは現実を変えようとしはしていない。少なくとも男なろうの主人公はそのような思想が見える。女なろうが状況に適応しようとして、周りの敵や友好的な人物と戦ったり、仲良くなりながら派閥を作って、現実を書き換えていってるのに対し、男なろうは座って股間を開き、ずっと待っているだけだ。そして彼らの層は多くの場合政府の言ってる事を丸のみにしているようにみえる。再度確認する他力本願(受動性)と他責(責任転嫁)の混同してるが、正しくは他責ではなく、他力本願が正しい。じゃあなぜ浅野いにおは他責と言ったのか？近年の言説(ディスクローズ)のトレンドに無意識に脳を侵食されている証左だ。「自己責任論」と「他責」は明らかにここ最近、特にここ10年の流行語であり、ある政治思想の人たちが好んで使う言葉だ。
>>290274506文春は『あのとき、誰が「自己責任論」を言い始めたのか？』という記事でイラクでイスラム過激派に3邦人誘拐された2004の事件をとりだし『特筆すべきは（あのときは）小泉純一郎首相や首相周辺、つまり国のトップたちほど「自己責任」を声高に問うていたことだ。あそこから時代が変わったんじゃないか？ と思うほど。』と書いている。この他責というワードは危険だ。なぜなら他人を他責だと叩いてる本人こそ、思考停止で政府や体制側に事大的に隷属し、自分の状態を棚に上げて、思考したり現実を変えようと運動してる人々をレッテル貼りしてる事が非常に多いからだ。>When he tries to act like a sociologist diagnosing young people, but he's just a manga artist, he tries to act so detached yet he's so interested in the subject LMAO浅野氏は「現代の若者のリアル」を感覚的に捉える能力には長けているが、政治学者ではない。もちろん社会学者でもない。そのため、若者の「現実逃避の空気感」を言語化する際に、もっとも流通していて座りの良い(と思い込んでいる)「他責」というバズワードを無意識に引っ張ってきた。その結果自分は冷静で距離を置いている、なんて思いながら、政治のプロパガンダ活動、及びそれの思想、及び彼らの言語に染まっているのは俯瞰が足りないと言えるのではないか？
>>290274149異世界系アニメはかつての萌え日常系アニメごちうさとかのポジション最近はリアリティ路線の「解像度が高い」アニメがブームで、緩いアニメが不足してるその不足を埋めているのが実は異世界系アニメだと思ってる解像度高い系アニメって見るのに気合いが必要どんなに面白くても平日はあんまり見るテンションになれない自分は片っ端から見るタイプだけど多くの人はスキマ時間を埋める程度の趣味で意識高くて重いアニメは求めてないSo the japs thinks isekai is moe animes replacement?
>>290274149This guy says好きな人には申し訳無いけど、まじで異世界転生モノ嫌いすぎる。現実でうまくいかないヤツが転生しただけで大した努力もせず上手くいく世界線が大っ嫌い。完全好みの問題だけれどAnd this other guy respondsぶっちゃけ今は批判してる側の方が問題ある気がするわ。「なろう系はクソ!」って言うだけで共感・賞賛されて、誰かの受け売りとかニワカ知識でも会話できて、どれだけ辛辣に批判できるかの大喜利で盛り上がって、そのノリを内輪の外でやった作家が炎上する——みたいな流れけっこう見る気がする
>>290274683フィクションにも「大した努力」とかを要求しちゃう人は何見ても面白くなさそう。「現実でうまくいかないヤツが転生しただけで～」っていう作品は確かにつまらないけどそういう作品は少ないしあってもアニメ化までなかなかいかないよ。転生系にずっと文句言ってるおっさんは攻殻機動隊とかずっと見とけばいいんじゃない？見たくないなら見なきゃいいだけの話Ouch
>>290274506>>290274526>>290274590gay homo nigger we cannot read this shitolafucking faggot dick lickerstop sucking cocks Asano Inio: “Well, basically, I guess they just don’t want to face reality—there’s this vague sense that they’re blaming others.”I would put it this way: “Not wanting to face reality, neglecting your own abilities, and hoping that other people will somehow take care of everything for you is dependence on others—the ultimate form of passivity.”Asano uses the term taseki (“blaming others”) here, but that is slightly off the mark. After all, we do not know whether “they”—the Narō audience—actually blame or criticize the world, the country, or the government. If we are permitted to generalize broadly about people who read Narō fiction, they do not seem to think much for themselves or take action on their own. Above all, they are not trying to change reality. At least, that is the mentality reflected in male-oriented Narō protagonists. Female-oriented Narō protagonists try to adapt to their circumstances: they fight or befriend the hostile and friendly people around them, build factions, and gradually reshape their reality. Male-oriented Narō protagonists, by contrast, merely sit there with their legs spread, waiting the entire time.Moreover, that demographic often appears to accept whatever the government says at face value.So, to reiterate: this confuses reliance on others (tariki-hongan, or passivity) with blaming others (taseki, or shifting responsibility). The correct term is not “blaming others,” but “reliance on others.”Why, then, did Asano Inio say “blaming others”? It is evidence that his mind has unconsciously been permeated by recent trends in public discourse. “Personal responsibility” and “blaming others” are clearly fashionable expressions of recent years—especially of the past decade—and are terms favored by people of a particular political persuasion.
>>290274763Just use embedded translate or something? Stop seething fag.
>>290274718Been google translating this and>The middle-aged guys who keep complaining about the reincarnation genre should probably just stick to watching *Ghost in the Shell* or something. If they don't want to watch it, they simply don't have to.
yep that's a trvke, notice how also a lot of fags hate the new gits anime because it's looks too moe
>>290274848for >>290274815Also we still get "deep" anime
>>290274815>If you don't like it don't watch itIs hardly a worthy counter argument.
>>290275161I would rather keep getting isekai slop with the occasional good series than go back to the era of battle shounen. I would be okay with going back to battle harem maybe, but battle shounen I always hated. Also it's not like isekai is the only thing being made, and the people who don't want to write it are already not writing it
>>290275161I mean it literally is an argument, if you don't like it don't watch it otherwise you should be okay with people coming into whatever shows threads you like shitting all over the genre and show. Isekai as a few nips mentioned in the comments is mostly done by younger aspiring artists, the jaded ones are often the ones complaining that they aren't up with the times.
>>290275261>I mean it literally is an argument,No it's not. It's at best ad hominem. It's basically shutting down any discussion. If your audience is secure and you're doing well you don't have to engage with your haters at all. But to give them attention with a NUH UH is retarded.
>>290276082Well that's true however every audience is not secure because you always have a couple tards engaging with the haters. Itst he nature of humanity. You can make any engagement bait thread template you want of shonen/seinen/BL/yuri/isekai/sol/romance etc etc and bait the tards by saying how their genre is for children you need to grow up! Or for degenerate losers that don't get laid irl! Same idea now apply it to anything else in the medium. Isekai at it's core is wish fulfillment that was influenced by rpgs/jrpgs from the past and then it morphed into other things. Now if you wanna argue "wish fulfillment bad" okay apply that to every medium though and that's a shakey argument in general when many seek out exactly that. It's bad subjectively to *you* and someone else might say that seinen is edgy slop for people that don't understand what real hardship is.
>>290276249>You can make any engagement bait thread template you want of shonen/seinen/BL/yuri/isekai/sol/romance etc etc and bait the tards by saying how their genre is for children you need to grow up! Or for degenerate losers that don't get laid irl!The difference is that it's true for isekai, but not true for the more mature, intellectual genres like yuri.
>>290228356Isekaisisters...
>>290232694If you agree to pay the bill for someone else's party four decades ago, who is really to blame?
>>290244991>Twelve Kingdoms first thirteen episodes are pretty good. After that it kind of loses me.Read the novels. They're better, even the early stuff is heaps better. The anime was edited and changed from the source material because large chunks of the first novel are pure introspection inside Yoko's head. Her classmates were added to the anime to avoid portraying that. In the novel after she arrives she's lost, almost completely alone and increasingly paranoid and schizo as the plot progresses.
>>290278125>Tokyo popdare I ask how the translation is?
>>290278148Really, really bad. Just read the Woodbury translation.I only own the first toyko pop one for my bookshelf because the hardcover is kinda nice. IIRC Tokyo pop translated the immortal sages as "wizards". I couldn't believe what I was reading when I saw that. The translation would really confuse someone who isn't familiar with the material.
>>290228139>is real life really that terrible and cruel for people to want to escape it this muchThis nigga is so disconnected from the average Nip that its hilarious.
>>290228356True, but thats the point of escapism. To escape into shit that would never happen and you would never to. To pretend for a while that you could be the hero and do a bunch of awesome shit.
>>290270414I didn't like MT or Dunbine.
>>290228356The MTfags seething over this post are pretty funny
>>290228139He just wants isekai to end because he can't very well travell to isekai to take pics and trace over them.
I figured we would've moved on by now. I wish we could go back to battle harem or mecha. Isekai is just mindless wish fulfillment and in many cases, its just pure cringe.
>>290228356>Someone who can't accomplish anything in real life Doesn't this apply to most people except perhaps top few dozens / hundred(s?) elites in the world or so? Majority of us (including him) basically don't accomplish anything special and are easily disposable in the big picture
>>290280906I just want, please forgive the term, REAL fantasy again. I'm sick of reincarnation, I'm sick of adventurer guilds. I want a real goddamn fantasy with a real goddamn quest.
>>290281021Those do still exist you know
>>290281021>I wantTo complain about isekai. There are multiple non-reincarnation non-game shows airing right now.
>>290228139>look into his artstyle>slopat least the backgrounds are good, but the characters look like trash drawn by a retard. Does he use assistants for the backgrounds or something?
>>290228139If they want it to end then they need to stop being a shitty place to live in.
>>290233010> finding a new jobNormalfags cannot even find new jobs. They have to organize across the entire country sniffing out scam jobs and blackmailing employers to hire them.You are out of touch.
>>290281455You're replying to a boomer who got on the ladder early before it got raised beyond everyone else's reach.
