Most Japanese commentators and critics are claiming that many shonen titles are not that good and that one piece is boring or absolutely overrated.https://youtu.be/s6WF5ZvlDD0
shame it took them 50 years to notice
>>290260900One Piece hasn't become boring, Japs attention spans have become lower due to all the shorts slop they consume daily, rewiring their brains
>>290260968the tiktok jingling key audience are the only ones who can stomach modern one piece
>>290260968Worldwide issue there, not just Japan
>>290260968Elbaf is super boring, I keep forgetting to read the chapters because how uninteresting it is
>>290260900Maybe they should take more cues from american comics, since those are apparently doing very well nowadays.
>>290260900>I miss the days when (I was a kid)
>>290261124sometimes I forget Jump is the only magazine that publishes manga
>>290260968It's been mediocre since the timeskip.
Kagurabachi is the only good Jump manga ever.
>>290260900when is the EIC getting fired? it's obvious that his decisions are terrible
>>290261249I would agree with this if it ended like 50 chapters ago. I hope for his next work the mangaka makes enough money to move to a magazine that respects him more and doesn't force him to milk the shit out of it.
>>290260968One Piece was mediocre after the timeskip and became complete dogshit in Wano.
>>290260900Oda keeps forcing Kiyoshi flop and axing anything that has action
>>290261249Lol
>>290261135I miss the days when gaslighting retard were openly hunted and sequestrated.
>>290261317Personally I fucking hate One Piece because regardless of its quality it's completely killed the chance of someone ever making another pirate manga because the pressure of being compared to it would be too big. One Piece isn't even about pirates anymore.
>>290261372>one piece isn’t about pirates anymoreNever has been.
It's the freemasons, unironically
>>290261135Everyone misses the pre-10s, not just people longing for their youth
>>290261124>Maybe they should take more cues from american comics, since those are apparently doing very well nowadays.lollmao evenJump would need to crash, burn and implode onto itself before it reaches the level of irrelevancy burger comics are at.
It's kind of tragic when you think how many good series were axed during golden era.
>>290260900HXH WON
Fuck shounen.
>>290261405Nah.You won't find a single person who was an adult in the 00s longing for how the entire world changed after the Patriot Act.You won't find any adults who miss the world during the 2008 financial crisis.You won't find anybody who thinks the world was better during the global AIDS scare.It's only people who were too young to have any responsibilities.
>>290261510Okay, retard
>>290261501>Fuck young boydon't mind if I do!>>290261421anon I'm pretty sure he was joking
>>290261510My dude, everyone longs for a world where they could buy a house on a single year's salary. That was the past.
>>290260900turns out if you keep garbage like akane or roboco artificially alive your magazine turns to shit
>>290261510>t. zoomer
>>290261635This, you can't fucking force unpopular things foreverNo, nobody likes RobocoNo, rakugo won't become popular with little girls you desperate boomersAlso advertising existers indirectly would help bigger ones too, years ago you had a lot of existers/mids that attracted even more readers who would eventually read the big ones too.
>>290260900They're going to be begging Fujimoto to come back soon
>>290260900>>290261124The thing that happened to American comics will likely happen to manga, we already got the grading issue now, the cycle repeats but what publisher will go bankrupt like Marvel?
>>290261372Oda is still mad at kny, Jjk and csm popularity which is why he made edgy Imu and ANOTHER one piece anime, he can't understand kids don't want to read all those chapters and that gear 5 Luffy sucks.And any manga trying to be adventure is axed too soon. Even dr stone announced its ending way too soon
>>290260900I'm crying, they're using roku cover for example
>>290261445This right here
>>290261635>>290261372You don't get it, every fucking time something new is made it must be sent to the bottom of the toc and give Kiyoshi ANOTHER cp. Anything with some battle gets U19
>88k video>Japanese youtube commentsmods clean it up
>>290261957Even the last cover was just the characters reacting to LUFFY. It's just Kiyoshi, OP, Kiyoshi, Akane, Roboco somehow high in the toc etc
The people here are going to stop fucking with me or they will have serious problems. I didn't know shit then, but I certainly know a few things now, don't I?
New stories require risk, which is not something anyone wants to take to entertain the masses because modern entertaining stories are going to provide an unspeakable truth that will cause controversy.I'm going for big booba magazines anyways.
>>290262060The editor just refuses to advertise and no matter what you do you are stuck at the bottomEvery new manga is being used as Kiyoshi cushion
Average anime watcher is moving from reading/watching shonen slop for little boys like Wan Piss to watching proper seinen. Just look at the recent popularity of Frieren, JJK, Dandadan, etc.
>>290260968You're right about the attention span, but One Piece objectively has more and more problematic arcs that dragged far longer than necessary. If anything it's a miracle One Piece still has a huge audience following the story weekly for years when it has been going on for so long. It just shows how good it was, very few shows would've stayed for that long.
>>290262166Wano killed the hype and Oda doesn't care about the rest of the strawhats. He also wasted all those 80 big mom pirates despite having cool designs and he sidelined Law so no Lawsisters
>>290262138Yeah cause DandaDan and Frieren are suchnmature, deep seinens. They're totally not popular only due to online arts and larp. I won't even talk about JJK. 80% of its fan base are indians
>>290262227Disliking popular things don't make you interesting. :)
>>290262220Even before Wano, there are so many arcs that should've been cut like Punk Hazard, Thriller Bark and so forth. Hell even Fishman's island arc is pretty bad and absolutely unwatchable in anime. I know like 3 people who dropped the anime between Fishman's Island and Dressrosa. Wano was great but for most people it's just way too convoluted to follow properly.I'm still all for having at least one very long term story in the industry but One Piece really hits that too long mark for me. I've dropped Elbaf twice by now even if it's not too bad compared to some horrendous arcs
>>290261510>You won't find anybody who thinks the world was better during the global AIDS scare.I'm straight, so I definitely do since I have nothing to worry about
>>290262261It just means I have taste and don't blindly follow trends, especially online ones were bots and indians can just spam it to oblivion. I like popular and less than popular series too, and for the record I've been following Dandadan and Frieren ever since they were published and liked them. Doesn't mean they're not overrated.JJK is absolute trash though.
>>290260968Retard, One Piece's first chapter released in 1997 and that rubber scrub still hasn't become the Pirate King or found the One Piece treasure. He only has 3 of the 4 poneglyphs needed to go to Laugh Tale and the fucking series has been going on for 30 years. Oda has made the series boring by stalling the plot and leaving every interesting aspect of the series like the origins of devil fruits and the void century a mystery. I dropped the series after Egghead because Vegapunks message was supposed to expose the void century despite a long setup time and then he just didn't and then died.
>>290262138>JJKHey wait a minute, that's a WSJ series.
>>290262395>It just means I have taste and don't blindly follow trendsYou literally do, but you just do the opposite.
>>290262471No you fucking retard. I usually enjoy popular anime, and sometimes dislike them when they're trash like JJK.Just kill yourself pajeet
>>290262329Thriller Bark wasn't that bad.
>>290260900Well, they failed to produce enough lasting new titles, it's only natural.
>>290262547JJK is like objectively better than majority of other battle shonen slop like OP, Bleach, DBZ, etc. though. I say this as someone who's not a big of the genre in the first place. Your random deflection to jeets also indicates that you're probably either a spic or a seanigger. Or a self hating jeet.
>>290262750JJK sucks, its just the current popular ongoing that ended up being some people's First
>>290260900He has to come back and take down one piece and influence other mangaka
>>290262885Forgot pic
>>290262750Every single JJK glazer I've seen online was a jeet and I'd bet my money you're one too.JJK is absolute trash, even Gege knows it's trash and that's why he begs for forgiveness in every volume. JJK has one of the worst endings I've ever seen in any manga, completely botched and rushed. It doesn't even compare to Frieren and Dandadan, let alone bigger shonens and seinens. It never would've been serialized 20 years ago either.
>>290261445it's the most fresh thing in the magazine
>random shitposter:-|>random shitposter, Japan:-O
>>290262919if you mean kishi he tried and was part of the problem, nepotism artificially keeping a flop aliveif you mean naruto then you have boruto for that and is well... just there
>>290263014Jjk became bad when gege fired the editor
>>290261510>You won't find anybody who thinks the world was better during the global AIDS scare.it absolutely was better then. though. if you weren't a faggot you were completely fine.
>>290260900I don't know how ANYONE can watch or read a story that lasts hundreds of episodes/volumes that drag the plot out endlessly with jobbers of the week until the main villain finally appears. All of that using the same characters for literal years.
>>290261864You are right about gear 5 sucking.I can't believe they even approved that nonsense.
>>290263144Kishimoto basically fluked himself into having a huge manga, and I'm more and more convinced he just got lucky and got a perfect editor. Because Naruto was garbage by the end and just shit on all of its early themes.
>>290260900B-but KGB next big thing!!!
>>290263262Ruined the fights and Luffy's character.
>>290261635>>290261729>muh akane and robocoLol.
>>290263266>got a perfect editorRemember, Naruto was supposed to be a literal fox, but the editor tardwrangled Kishi into making him human.
What the fuck is this low quality thread?
It's the age of Light Novels anyway. In fact, I've improved my Japanese reading by reading cues from the novels more than when I read manga and guessing the actions from the illustrations.
>>290260900Maaaaybe if they stop making hundreds of shonen that basically are the same goddamn shit written by a no life loser and start making actual variety of shonen stories like the days before Naruto/One Piece success people may start finding shonen more interesting.But nah, they keep shitting clones trying to be the next Dragon Ball ZThere are too many ongoing mangas and mangas artists.
>>290260900Is it just me, or do all modern manga look the same? It's as if every character could be from the same work. Compare 90s Jump with the current roster
Ohnonono
>>290263370That's just what post-hack /a/ is like now. Oldfaga have left and now we're stuck with twitter subhumans.
>>290263495What hack?
>>290263352His first editor also got him to make Sasuke and Sakura
>>290263433>Gohan used to represent Dragon BallWhat?
>>290262547Name two shows from the last two years that you liked.
>>290260900Who the fuck reads nowadays? Books are going to disappear long before humans disappear.
>>290263433This. Shonen used to have a lot of variety and flavours.You can also compare how different these two games are: J-Starts Victory Vs and Jump Force
>>290263144I mean as whole naruto should just ditch the boruto sequel and fucking make a part three with some other plotline or anthology to the previous ninjas and gokages.But then ayy lmao shit and power scaling is fucked.
>>290260900Japan being 10 years behind as usual
>>290263433Honestly it kinda highlights how samey they look when you put One Piece front and center like that. It's depressing that it's the most unique looking series they've got right now.
>>290262426>rubberACKSHUALLY it was revealed to be a super special rare unique fruit 1000+ chapters in because Luffy is the chosen one.
>>290262750>buzzword spamming 14-25 year old newfag defending JJKGojo is a wish.com Ban Midou because the mangaka is a hack.
>>290261510>global AIDS scareGRIDS, that's what it was called
>>290264411Naruto could be anything it wants to be. I for one think the filler part 1 should have been cannon because it expands the lore and world building.
>"I miss the time when I was reading it as a teen, when it was still good">t. 49 year old man
Most young people are permaonline and otaku are now glued to gacha games 24/7 or terminally gooning.They don't care about new titles, unless it's goon fuel.But WSJ has dropped the ball and they need a high energy adventure title. The assassin/isekai/exorcist/battleroyale shit is totally played out.
>>290260900>Most Japanese commentators and criticsare not the target audience.
>>290261372no one would make a pirate manga anyways
>>290265118Oda won't allow ANY kind of competition.
>>29026372825th anniversary would have been the brief period where Gohan was the main character in 93 before Goku came back
>>290263708Who are both just as popular as the MC.
>>290261244>>290261304I think it has its ups and downs now, Zou was great and the tea party was kino.But many parts are boring, predictable or needlessly stretched out. After the tea party with all its twists and turns we got like 50 chapters of running, luffy getting his ass whooped and sanji taking forever to make the cake.By comparison, pre-timeskip pretty much every chapter was fun, very few low points overall.
>>290267066>kinoopinion discarded
>kaido been using applied conquerors haki for years>stretchy boy learns how to do it during the fightWho would win?
>>290263336Both are shit but at least akane is cute, but roboco? Nobody fucking reads that shit
>>290265696Oh, that makes sense then.
Only yuri can save WSJ
>>290262823>>290263014>>290264678Lmaoing at Wan Pissjeets malding at JJKinoEnjoy you're cocomelon tiktok slop the manga, pups.
>>290267623Seriously though, what's up with all the yuri-adjacent titles and oneshots? is it really what's popular with current jump audience? Or are editors probing the trends to decide if they want to go all in or backtrack?
>>290265169You talking about the mag or OP? Current One Piece is for people that are already One Piece fans, although it conveys this poorly by centering on shit nobody cares about which is why its sales are falling
>>290267699Not sure if it's popular, but lately shonen authors have been doing yuri oneshots and serializations, so there must be some audience overlap.
>>290267623I'm so sick of yuri>>290267699I genuinely think there is some sort of push for more of it in the industry as a whole and I hate it
>>290267623Jump was better when its writers hated women and hated writing them.
>>290260900Have we really reached a point this low on /a/ where we're posting fucking youtube comments?
>>290267915Maybe, but it's exactly why the magazine instead turned into fujo jump and every guy is a massive faggot who isn't allowed to date girls anymore
>>290267915Facts. I'll soon start reading fucking BL just because I'm so tired of yuri trash polluting my manga.
>>290261445always been winning, that one.
>>290261635>>290261729>>290267396i like and read roboco. it's not as good as the promised jokeland but it's still fun.
>>290268395>I'll soon start reading fucking BL You already have been for the last 15 years at least.
>>290261124>Maybe they should take more cues from american comicsNah, comics have more to learn from manga than vice versa. Best thing manga could gain is having more relatable dialogue.
>>290268793Bro, the only one that kinda had BL vibes was Owari no Seraph, but instead they bloated it with random women like Shitnoa and Shitsuba instead of focusing on Yuichiro and Mikaela.
>>290263433they probably make the author have a "form" in the artist designs to be on jump
>>290260968Reading it weekly is a real slog. With Oda's shit pacing and constant breaks. There's nothing wrong with his health. He's just turned into another Togashi.
>>290260968It's insanely boring. Oda the hack has been making the same arc over and over again since at least the timeskip if not day one. The only thing that's changed is that the quality of its art and paneling has collapsed, and the art wasn't even very good to begin with.Maybe Oda should focus on making his own manga good, rather than getting any other manga better than his slop axed and forcing WSJ's editors to reward his cronies and assistants instead.
>>290260900oh no I'm devastated
>>290260900Kagurabachi is the only manga I read on it nowdays, besides One Piece and HxH.Some of the bottom feeder existers were interesting once but I stopped caring about them, Jump+ is where it's at.
>>290268793You must have been reading a completely different magazine from the rest of us.
>>290260900America would be a better place if we had Jump in hospital waiting rooms.
Fujos saved Jump and now they don't have any popular fujobait series
>>290271527I do not understand how MAD is not blowing up right now god damn is it good
abandon jump. read magazine
>>290260900>in December 94How weirdly specific. It was only good for a month?
>>290271527>Jump+ is where it's atRecommend something. Only good one I'm reading is Hey Devil Girl.
>>290268395very organic post
>>290274369CenturiaMake the Exorcist Fall in Love
>>290260900I liked fire force a lot
>>290260900the lack of shotas is causing shounen jump's down fallall the big shounens now are slop with adult looking teens instead of little boys
>>290260968Success!
Finally people are leaving battle shounen garbage in the dust. I've been waiting for this for so long.
>>290260900literally whooooo
>>290267697It's worse than GetBackers which it ripped off of, newfagGPT.
>>290274369Gash bell 2dark gathering
>>290260968One Piss has been terrible for the past 20 years Y'all are cooked.
>>290261392Yes it was before the time skip. But one piece turn into dbz with mindless fighting instead of a great adventure to find the one piece.
>>290260968>Japs attention spans have become lowerThat's true and One Piece became boring precisely because it started to please them. The pages now are bloated with content, there's no pauses or character interactions anymore.
>>290260968Both can be true.
