>>290286950It was just starting now it looks better
>>290286950Also all early digital anime has a horrible DVD look due to the low resolution.
Modern digital animation at its peak has way higher highs than any non digital show has ever seen, and it will only continue to get better as techniques are improved.
>>290287102>the higher highs in question
>>290287229fuark so much aura bros
>>290286950>same studioACKCHYUALLY, the original ToHeart was all OLM but Remember My Memories was heavily outsourced to AIC ASTA.
>>290286950I think right looks better.
>>290287229Yea I mean this whole season is visually better than pretty much any predigital show. After the BDs come out and it's fully fleshed out it will be a visual masterpiece, even if the story itself is pretty garbage.
>>290286950Remember my Memories sucks regardless of animation process
>>290286950To be fair, the studio making the first season used their own character designer while the second season was more faithful to the original game designs which had the typical late-90's jank look to them.
no chance in hell that's the same studio
>>290287102Bait used to be believable
This entire debate is cringe because art is subjective.>>290287102Not even true.Old anime did stuff modern anime just won't do anymore. But at the same stuff modern anime has a level of refinement and freedom of expression old anime can only dream of.
>>290287758>modern anime has a level of refinement and freedom of expression old anime can only dream of
>>290287689I've been told by pseuds that matching the original over-the-top 90s expressions is "cringe," and "sóy"
>>290287689>soulTranny buzzword. I don't care about cherry picked examples that have nothing to do with my statement. Especially when you're argument is about you being blinded by nostalgia. >>290287758It is true. There may be some lost/unused techniques but the peak of the modern industry, the shows/movies or whatever sakugafest garbage is being released has significantly better animation than anyone could have hoped for in the 90s. Cel animation just doesn't have the same resources that digital can. I agree that art is subjective, and people can like what they want, but cel animation has flatlined and digital surpassed it in quality years ago imo, and as it constantly improves more people will be forced to admit it.
>>290288046>seething zoomerkekmodern anime is pure dogshit, sorry to break it to ya
>>290287689both are actually pretty good, but the execution of the former has more character.its not a bout digital its about direction in this case.
>>290288098>blonde shota wrapped up in chains.what did they mean by this?
>>290288171>both are actually pretty goodnah
>>290287229why anything in 3D always looks like shit in anime?
>>290288171>both are actually pretty good,lmao no, bottom is utter trash
>>290288098I'm older than you, and still don't care about your cherry picked examples. Pretending everything old is good doesn't mean you fit in here.
>>290287689>>290288098https://desuarchive.org/a/search/image/zXqF4gf7kDG1sb_-AmDM0A/https://desuarchive.org/a/search/image/c-d6hEvrW6taNzFXA4Xd2A/>Retarded schizoposter has nothing of value to say and just shits up threads with his weird superiority complex
>>290288098So when are we getting BD remasters of the old HxH show?
>>290287882You don't actually watch anime so you wouldn't understand.>>290288046It's more about how old anime had different sensibility and you would get stuff that modern anime doesn't do anymore. Not because they can't but because styles have changed.I agree that generally modern tv anime has made a lot of advancements though.There's a reason people who glaze forgotten 80s OVAs will only post the same couple of webms. They do look great but it's still a trash anime.
>>290288483What, in your opinion, would be the most important of the "sensibilities" missing in modern day? I did say earlier I can agree that it's not 100% an improvement, but a slight trade off, and that I think it's better overall.
>>290288473Never. The master tapes were thrown in the garbage.
>>290288740Right where they belong, 2011 rapes your shit
>>290288663Speaking purely visually I'd say dark colours and contrasts.Digital colouring has improved a lot since the 00s. Modern anime is great at doing bright and colourful worlds.But looking clean isn't always the best. I want dark colours, strong contrasts, dirty characters. People used to complain about "lack of shading" which was always bullshit but I think there's some truth to the sentiment. Problem isn't lack of shading but poor contrasts and overall tone.
>>290288235Because anime studios pay peanuts. Good 3D artists and animators are absorbed by the Japanese gaming industry.
>>290288913>Good 3D artists and animators are absorbed by the Japanese gaming industry.And then every game is an ugly piece of shit switch game lol
>>290288853That's a good one, I think modern shading is solid but every show is vibrant with little contrast, especially in night time scenes, everything has a dark blue hue because visual clarity is prioritized over stylization. I watched the Angel Egg 4k remaster recently and the whole thing basically being shot at night reminded me of a similar idea.
>>290288306>seething zoomoidkek
>>290288937I don't think you are really aware of how many Japanese games release every year.
>>290289113Japan has not put out impressive visuals since the PS2.
>>290288853>>290289031Modern anime hates dark tones and vivid colors. Also, really good shading is completely ruined because everything has to have the "Instagram look" with overblown bloom filters and color bleeding. When you take that out you get shows like the GiTS reboot that looks just like late 90s cel anime.
>>290289139RE engine? Platnum Engine? Luminous Engine? When Japan does anime/realism mixed style rather than the cgi unity tier cartoon looking shit they have some of the best visuals on the market.
>>290289139While they are no longer wiping the floor, the modern Resident Evils, Final Fantasies and Souls and the like are on-par with anything released in the West. And miles ahead of any CGI shown in anime.In fact, CGI in anime has somehow receded since the early 2000s.
>>290289139Huh?
>>290289139Have you seen Guilty Gear?
>>290289418>>290289458>>290289463RE is the one good looking thing they've done since the PS2.
>>290289496That's not RE, m8.
>>290289496Pc Monhun? Nier? Elden Ring/DS3? you're being disingenuous these games are beautiful in motion.
>>290287229Is this what you think is a "high"? If yes then you're a retard and it is a waste of time to talk with you. If no then you're a dishonest shitposter and it is a waste of time to talk with you
>>290287229this looks so bad that I think this guy is trolling and sabotaging his own argument
>>290289265The bloom filters aren't everywhere but it's so painful when they're used.>GiTS2026ScienceSaru is a different breed. Their dedication to staying in style and faithful as they can to the shows is so impressive. Dandadan, Sanda, GiTS all such drastically different styles and tones but the adaptations are peak.
>>290289568Sorry, I guess you had this in mind when talking about the way higher highs of modern animation.
>>290289621>>290289568The TV versions of JJK always have placeholder CGI. The Maki and Higaruma fights were much better animated, but the final episode on BDs will probably be the peak of the season.
>>290289706Dishonest shitposter then
>>290289706The fuck is this.
Rant deleted. Do i need to pretend in this thread that i'm talking to a bunch of noobs? Do i need to list examples, do i need to argue as if it wasn't obvious?What are we doing here? Who's this discussion meant for?
>>290289568>>290289621was the JJK webm not sarcasm…?
>>290286950Would it look better if they printed out all the different components of each digital frame (characters, backgrounds, etc) and photographed each composition frame?
>>290287377i think you're clinically retarded
These arguments always revolves into cherrypicked images or doing poor research of the matter (and intentionally giving misinformation in most cases). Add some dumb buzzwords at the mix and you get a recipe for disaster.
>>290291569Mom always said I was special.
>>290291769A disaster or a recurrent experiment to track anon's mindset across time using a static control.
>>290286950They both look like ass. What's with the eyes? They're so big.
>>290289727Fuck off zoomie. Just face it. The modern animation you're praising is an overanimated mess, full of particle effects, a bunch of filters, 3D backgrounds, camera doing 360 degree spins, and zero actual fight choreography. It will never match the cinematography of retro kino.
>>290289706wtf is that? way too fast for no reason, I feel like that shit has damaged the eyesight of so many teen boys
>>290292374retard
>>290288896this is just rotoscoped real drop of water
>>290292580Why do you say that? It's uncanny.
shonen exampleold anime would focus on the impact of blows while modern anime focuses on the speed and movement of the fight leading to gear 5 garbage
>>290292497>esl schizo babble
>>290288245>I'm older than youKindergarten-tier reply.
>>290293413I try to keep my replies on par with their mental level.
>>290292926>no arguments>baseless esl accusationsConcession accepted.
>>290293518And pretending to be an oldfag doesn't give you any privileges here either. 4chan's whole schtick is ever changing flow. The community doesn't ''own'' it, it may influence it's image, but it's all about changing with it or leaving it if one can't accept the change in the flow of time.
>>290293604You didn't deny the ESL part though, it's pretty much obvious you're also brown. You simply can't argue against truth.
>>290293684Sorry but schizophrenics deserve the least amount of respect possible. I couldn't care less about the opinion of some tween who discovered 90s anime on Twitter and made it their whole personality. People who actually like anime, who grew up with it and continue to watch it in modern times are indefinitely more relevant than generation warring retards.
>>290289047This can't be real.
>>290286950To Heart is a good show.
>>290293750>baseless esl accusations>You didn't deny the ESL part thoughReading comprehension? Also>still no argumentsJust off yourself at this point. You've been BTFO.
>>290293980>I couldn't care less about the opinion of some tween who discovered 90s anime on Twitter and made it their whole personality.Nice projection.>People who actually like anime, who grew up with it and continue to watch it in modern times are indefinitely more relevant than generation warring retards.Caring about ''relevance'' is something only a twitterfag like you could do. Considering that twitter is all about that. You should go back there.
What a bunch of retards.
>>290287100Only Ufotable bothered keeping their work files so Shinobuden and Manabi Straight look pretty good. Bluray took a while to catch on because Sony sabotaged it. HD-DVD might have taken us out of the 704x480i hell a year or two earlier.
>>290292841It's annoying when they have an acid trip mid battle and the colors are all over the place. You can tell that modern shonen has no directors with a vision.
>>290288046>Tranny buzzword.You're a buzzwording retard zoomer and tourist.
At least half of your anime consumption should consist of pre-2000 titles.
>>290295786But what if I'm not in my 40s?
>>290289047You know it's not just the art that's better but I think It really makes a strong case for times when it's probably better to go off the source material.
>>290295819You should only watch anime that catches your eye and you find enjoyable enough to sit through till the end.
>>290293863This is a good example of why modern anime sucks. It's made by hacks who know nothing about the visual medium. They think sakooga and le funny gags are what makes anime good when in fact it was direction all along.
>>290295911Modern anime fans are sadly incapable of that. They'll need to spend at least a few hours asking for opinions and getting things vetted so they don't waste their valuable time on god's green earth.
>>290288098Style vs Sense. The left is obviously better but is incredibly pretentious and tryhard for a casual explanation sequence.
>>290295961See, everyone always complains it's the animation that's the problem but the big issue has always been a lack of competent directors. Even a low budget show can look half decent if a good director knows how to actually stage things.
>>290295911I see, thanks. I'll try to do that more often.>>290295962It's choice paralysis caused by having like 60 anime on your backlog, 20 unplayed Steam games and half a dozen VNs.
>>290296051>It's choice paralysis caused by having like 60 anime on your backlog,See that's the part that troubles me. Having to download and actually wait a while for said downloads to finish is certainly a bit more of a process than today's options but it's not as if we weren't given plenty of choice on what to watch. We had a lot of available. The difference is that if we had our share of all of the Gundams to watch our reaction wasn't WHAT DO I WATCH FIRST! It was.... fuck yeah. No. I put the blame squarely on social media. People don't want to watch anime to watch anime, they want to fit in with the group and that means blindly following group think.
>>290294324It's pathetic how you're so mindbroken that you're either breaking your bit or defending a schizo, either way you lost.
>>290287689the fucking pan on the sword gets me every time
>>290296138There's an element of truth to that, I mean whether my friends watch a show is always part of my decision process. It's more fun to discus stories in person than on /a/. Currently a 2nd friend got into Kara no Kyoukai through the movies so I feel obliged to join in.
>>290296546Well yeah, I agree, but there's a bit of a difference between watching with your pals or having an active conversation and treating things like homework.
>>290295786you'd have to be born in the 60's for this to be true.
>>290286950i think a lot of anime from 2000s(foggy brown and dark 480p) and 2010(bloom, high saturation, minimalism, post prossesing cgi hell) are really hard to go back to. But I think 2020 anme has been really beautiful so far. On par with the late 90s.
>>290287229bruh ts peak af ong deadass no cap
>>290296546I personally watch more with friends than alone. Get together 2-3 times a week for seasonals + we take turns picking older shows to watch through. I don't always care for the stuff she picks, but it's still better overall because I feel like I see more varied content without having to dig through sludge.
>>290288098It feels like old cell animators used to be good artist that could paint on their own while modern animators have never touched a brush in their life.
>>290289047I dont really mind digital animation but why does nobody know how to draw backgrounds anymore. Shit used to be majestic even in low-quality works.
>>290287102You can't show me a single digital anime that goes higher than Vampire Hunter D's movies
>>290296959I wouldn't expect them to, but I feel like the digital craft still hasn't really been perfected in a similar way. Honestly I think in a lot of ways CGI has actually gotten worse. At the very least I think older directors would have framed or hidden things better
>>290289139Nips are great at style but they've always sucked at high-fidelity stuff.
>>290297076CGI has definitely improved but I think the issue is how badly it sticks out compared to modern animation. There is actually decent CGI techniques being developed, but it's more for shows that fully use it, like HnK or Girls Band Cry. They both had a beautiful style that worked really well for the shows themselves.
>>290297076>Honestly I think in a lot of ways CGI has actually gotten worse.This is just not nip thing anymore. Old cgi movies like Avatar and transfromers still blow anything today out of water.
is this not the toheart thread
>>290295962This isn't even exclusive to anime fans Most people in video games movie and anime circles are like that now
>>290295961>modern>2011
>>290287229Yes 99% of the world agree this is a masterpiece, think about why.
>>290297121that's a good thing the west should takes notes so they can stop making ugly characters
Maybe it's not anyone's fault really. The whole system is broken and rushed with people needing to constantly rush to put out content it really shouldn't be surprised that's all it becomes. Content. It's not there to be scrutinized or appreciated or even rewatched. It's all by design made to last just long enough for a season and then everyone rushes to the next thing to continue the process.
>>290298497Definitely. Things have changed unfortunately. Just because the medium is the same (well not really even that), it doesn't mean the process which produces is anything at all to how it used to be
>>290287229Do people really watch shounenshit like this
>>290298618What a retarded question. It's literally on par with the best selling of all time manga, it's like top 20. That's the third season of the show, obviously people are watching it retard.
>>290298593You just have to look at the OVA market. And how there really isn't one anymore.
>>290298715Generic battle shonen fags are not people
>>290287229I never cared for JJS. It's just low quality shonenslop. When's the last time you rewatched Fullmetal Alchemist (both iterations)?
>>290298783It honestly annoys me a great deal when people try to flex about anime and manga being better art forms and how they're doing so amazingly well and then it's just.... this.
>>290288206>ShotaAre you retarded?
>>290298783"Do I fit in yet" type post. You asked a question then dragged the goalpost. How intellectually dishonest can you be.
>>290299104he's from twitterhe thinks a character that isn't an ugly buff gigachad abomination = prepubescent boy
>>290299217I'm starting to notice it more and more, that and people pretending to be old fags without understanding what they're saying. Reminds me of when someone was doing an /a/ watches thread of some movie and they got a hundred replies saying something like ">Streaming, kill yourself faggot."
>>290298796JJK I mean, I don't know how I made that typo.
>>290286950Yeah. The early 2000s were definitely weird looking. Mainly because they were switching over to digital, so most animators were still used to the older way.It was uguu for the most part at least.
>>290296160>either way you lost.Like I said ''kindergarten-tier reply''. If that doesn't indicate your desperate attempt to feel like you've ''won'' the argument, I don't what does.
>>290301772>I don't what doesESL, lost and raped
>tfw we will never get a new anime with animation this good
>>290304386>ESL, lost and rapedProjection much?
Looks good to me
>>290304553wait, what is this show about?
>>290304547Sorry, you already conceded the moment you showed you can't form a coherent sentence. Thanks for playing, but unfortunately you're brown.
>>290288913>>290288235The CGIdra from Mushoku Tensei season 2 unironically looked pretty good for a seasonal anime.
>>290304809>Sorry, you already conceded the moment you showed you can't form a coherent sentence.You conceded when you started to avoid the subject matter. Which you still do since you have none. Keep coping.
>>290297013Some studios can still do it, but it's rare.
>>290288171no bottom is sterile looking trash
Mistakes correct themselves eventually
>>290304952Uhh can anyone translate?? This beaner found his way to an American website
>>290287689Top, corny cringe overanimationBottom, stoic coolheaded acting adequate for a historical drama.
>>290286950>mostakeSpeaking of mistakes
>>290305077>This beaner found his way to an American websiteWell, you guys seem worship them so what do I care? And just like America this place is owned by a Japanese man so you shouldn't boast unless it's your pride to be owned by foreign powers? Don't forget to die for Israel, goy!
>>290287229this looks like fucking shit.i cant believe zoomers think this looks good compared to high end anime from 20-30 years ago.
>>290287229
>>290304926CGi fights always bug me because the environment suddenly feels like it's 100 times bigger. There's a weird sense of perception and scale.
>>290287919what anime is this?
>>290297184Fucking Jurassic Park 1 still blows most of modern Hollywood out of the water, simply because of how incredibly well the early CGI has been used and implemented by ILM. Another fantastic example being Davy Jones in Pirates 2.But yes, Transformers is another high point, simply because "we know how to light cars" due to the TV ad industry, also because Michael Bay unironically knows how to make things look good.
>>290305613i think it's also because back then CGI was still new and they actually took their time with it now it's seen as the norm and cheap, last minute additions you'll just add in post
>>290305564Have you just not been paying any attention?
>>290305708/a/ not actually watching anime isn't a meme. Hell, it seems many of these people don't even browse the site somehow.
>>290305706>i think it's also because back then CGI was still new and they actually took their time with itAt the very least it seems like there was a fascination with a still nascent technology. A lot of early 2000s stuff, for example Gonzo's entire body of work, feels more like they were trying something exciting and new. maybe it aged them poorly but it was clear they weren't, always, cutting corners. Some of the stuff I've seen studios use CGI for is honestly baffling.
>>290286950feels like that's less of an argument against digital and moreso an argument as to why the character designs were so shit in the second pic.
>>290305941sort of a symptom vs the disease kind of situation
Genuinely why is it so difficult to recreate the cell shaded look?
>>290286950>complain of digital.>post digital made anime made on different times.I laugh.
>>290307736You're such a boomer, no one wants to recreate old art. We want new art styles, new stories, new cinematography...etc. It could be worse than the past but it's not stagnant, that's the important part.
>>290307736>Genuinely why is it so difficult to recreate the cell shaded look?It's not. It's probably just expensive and there's no real value in doing so when most modern audiences don't want it. G-reco looked very retro and there was that Eva short a bit ago. You're also missing half of it. Things aren't recorded on film anymore. That's largely what you're seeing. That's were the beautiful beautiful grain comes from.
Cherry-picking: The thread
>>290287689old has way too many "le funny" moments
>>290297076long riders changed my life. got me biking for over 3 or 4 years now. Can put away 2k miles a year just biking after work. I dont remember any other scenes as bad as this. Even with the obvious CGI. Give it a chance
>>290304926I always hate this term seasonal anime. Id say 95% of anime are seasonal. So just about every anime is seasonal. They air, they come and go. What the definition for anime that is not seasonal? Permanent mainstays like sase-san? or whatever? Its easier to count the animes that arent seasonal
>>290308661A seasonal is just someone who jumps from fad to fad with no lasting interesting or impact. It's a pretty effective term for the kind of fast food assembly line content production that just shits out thing after thing because the audience can bear the sound of their own thoughts for a minute.
>>290287229the part that always gets me is you can see the aliasing. they don't even know how to render at high resolutions and downscale. did they hire third worlders for this?
>>290308799>TFW you have co workers talking about this like it's the hypest shit ever.You know there was a very brief period in my life where I didn't feel the need to hide my power level and I think I wasted it.
>>290287229I think that one naruto vs pain episode (you know which one) looked better
>>290287229>2000s CGI-looking trash is now good animation
>>290305564just in case you're not baiting, the new ghost in the shell anime
>>290309092don't spoon feed retards.
>>290292505No. Masturbating to her did
>>290291769This guy gets it.
>>290309618yeah, suspicious how there's never any Dai no daibouken posted in there "old good new bad" threads
>>290309618
>>290309618I love that now retards are taking this obvious shitpost image at face value
>>290309728I love how desperately incensed newfags get at the very suggestion that people like old stuff better
>>290309746Lol that image implied the opposite, I like cute 90s girls.
>>290286950Only the most daring takes from OP, uh?
>>290309618Note how moe in the 90s actually had fanservice
>>290286950>old good new badFuck off
