Why did Saber lose against Souichirou Kuzuki? He's just a normal human.
>>290299189Saber is trash, shouldn't be too hard to reach that conclusion.
>>290299189the power of the japanese education system
>>290299189What was the explanation for this shit?>He is le magic spec ops assassinNot valid
>>290299189Explain why you think Saber shouldn't lose to a normal human.
>>290299189Because she's a woman
>>290299189He had a weird fighting style, Saber wasn't expecting a Master to be able to fight against her, and he was being magically enhanced by Medea.
>>290299189hype and aura moments
>>290299189The guy just starred at the "strongest" servant charging him with a invisible weapon, and casually beat her ass with his bare hands.This is the same Saber who beat the fake samurai whose blade bends time and space.
Because Fate is a trash series that makes no sense and consistently contradicts itself.>mages cannot fight on par with serventsExcept when this very thing happens multiple times.>this attack is unbeatableExcept when it is.You get the picture.
>>290301262meh it's a literary and philosopical point I don't like the nerds who decry dorky abstract points like this and bend logic to their will to nitpick. Soujuurou Shizuki from mahoyo nasu made the same ish points... I mean the entirety of the game he makes the sameish points and its relatively profound. He does the same thing with Gilgamesh and shirou... and other variations of this martial art philosophy. It's also a in KnK, my favorite example of this is with souren, where it also has this buddhism and its a very good literary example of the profoundness of buddhism
>>290301275power level fag fears the rock paper scissors
>How Nasu came up with the title "Fate/Stay Night" >TMACE 9I was surprised by the title since "Tsukihime" and "Kagetsu Tohya" are so distinctly Japanese. Where did the title "Fate/Stay Night" come from?Nasu: The word Fate was already part of the novel edition I had previously written, and I wanted to put the word to good use, but looking back at it now, it's quite embarrassing.Including a slash (/) felt quite unique. Was that from the novel edition, too?Nasu: No, the novel edition didn't have a slash; it had an interpunct (・). However, after finishing Tsukihime, I started to really like slashes and wanted to pair one with the English word "night (yoru)." Furthermore, I wanted the title to sound like a Visual Kei band. The staff members said, "Nasu-san, you're letting your preferences show too much!" and "Honestly, wouldn't kanji be better?" (laughs). But I had such a fixed idea of what the title should be that I forged ahead.
>>290299189Souichirou is not a normal human when he's being magically enhanced by Medea. It's the same way he was able to fight on par with Archer but after Medea was killed, Archer effortlessly killed him.
>>290301418>Soujuurou Shizuki from mahoyo nasu made the same ish pointsIt’s not. Mahoyo’s entire point is really that something unpredictable and novel is usually the strongest. Also, Beo is a little kid, not a freaking war hero with thousands of battles’ worth of experience In Fate, you get a premise in the Fate route about the servant saster dynamic and how they work together, only for UBW to completely break it turning servants into basically just characters in silly outfits rather than something actually special
Caster used her magic to engance Souichirou's strength and speed. She can canonically even make humans immortal.
>>290299189You know why. You know what you're doing. The thing is the japanese schoolteacher lost the moment he was unable to kill saber in his first attack. She would have gotten back up and pwned him as easily as archer when he killed Souichirou. That's how his meme combat style and her instinct skill work.
>>290299189Wobbly punches.
>>290302845peak chuunige
>>290303641>Luck : Bwhat
>>290299771He's a super assassin trained all his lives in a remote mountain village to be the ultimate assassin who only practiced a single move all his life, and he was buffed by caster to be servant tier. Caster didn't realize that buffing him would cause this much of a buff because she didn't realize even before she buffed him he was far stronger than any normal human.In Nasu's ideology being a mountain man is the peak of humanity, it makes you the strongest type of human.
>>290299771Bad premise and a badly written unreliable narrator
>>290299771>What was the explanation for this shit?I got you.
>>290299189Because Saber was constantly nerfed to make Shiro useful. Typical shounen writing
>>290299189The King got wobbled.
>>290299771Souichirou is incredibly fit and well-trained physically and is getting buffed by Caster who is able to us magic from the Age of Gods which means her spells are incredibly potent. Despite being a jobber herself if she happens to buff someone using magic to make them stronger then they are super fucking strong. Shirou is a shit master that can barely supply Saber with any mana and as a result her stats suck; with Shirou her highest single stat is B rank when her stats should all be A or A+ rank across the board with a good Master. Souichirou's fighting style is also unique to Saber so she couldn't just cheese the fight with Instinct like she normally does so the difference in their strength became much more apparent. Oh and most importantly it was required for Saber to job in order to advance the plot. Hope that helps!
>>290299189I felt sad about killing a person, probably was a piece of shit too to get one punch man to kill them. But please eat all my students and fellow colleagues mysterious gajin woman.
>>290299261we hate shitber here
>>290299189Please ignore that she keep up with in speed and overpower Lancer, or the fact that her instincts are described as bordering precognition, or the fact that she undoubtedly routinely trained with some of the most skilled knights who ever lived. Random mountain assassin man kung-fu with stat buffs can overcome Merlin committing dragon eugenics to create the best King possible, because "this fighting style just always wins the first fight, don't ask questions."
>>290305406>In Nasu's ideology being a mountain man is the peak of humanity, it makes you the strongest type of human.I wonder why. Did a random person come down from the mountains and save his life or something?
>>290306987Retardation. We are dealing with a man who refuses to realize almost no one gives a shit about Extraverse besides some of the Servants that happen to have come from it.
>>290306954Her instinct works against his fighting style, it makes her fall into his trap and get rekt even more. Is that bullshit, yeah definitely, but that's how it works, also Nasu mountain man chuuni kino. Archer's equivalent mind's eye skill aka batman wouldn't have the same terrible matchup.The thing is despite being directly countered by his style and her suffering from Shirou being a shit master, it didn't matter. Saber does her token jobbing and gets some ryona, but 60 seconds later she would have cut the kungfu snake man apart if Caster didn't intervene and teleport them away. Green man gets one shot to do his magic trick, and it's not enough.
Ignore OP, post welsh butt instead.
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>>290307134It's not even interesting though, it's like trying to cram in One-Punch-Man into a serious setting.
>>290307234This is where we must part ways. It's fun, and you're gay.
>>290307161>>290307305made for invading saxon cock
>>290306987Mountains are distanced from civilization and have more mystery. That's why you got myths of gods and dragons dwelling in mountains, sages cultivating in mountains, kings retiring to mountains until the end times and so on
>>290307344Made for Shirou.
>. Mahoyo’s entire point is really that something unpredictable and novel is usually the strongest.Like I mention, I disagree with this contrived and naive literary "analysis" where you fit the logic according to your own defined naive opinions. Even according to your premises is the idea that because Saber has a bunch of patterns that somehow surprises aren't a thing? Only nerds analyze literature in these crude calculations >Beo is a little kid, not a freaking war hero with thousands of battles’ worth of experiencedid you even read it, he's thousands of years old, to call a beast a kid anyways is odd, also he has a lot of experience >In Fate, you get a premise in the Fate route about the servant saster dynamic and how they work together, only for UBW to completely break it turning servants into basically just characters in silly outfits rather than something actually specialThe routes are supposed to subvert previous routes and demysticize them. They are supposed to conflict each other philosophically and morally that is one of the greatest things you can pinpoint about fate in particular. It's very Homeric in this sense where it iterates: Achilles shows us in Illiad that the best life is death is nothing before the immortality in this spirit drama play of the gods that is life, and in the Odyssey Achilles says he would be lower than the lowest form of human if he could live again
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>>290307402what the fuck
>>290303556((they)) are messing with my computer... it was supposed to tag this guys in this post.... >>290307440
>All of the "good" Chapters written by Nasu in FGO just happen to focus on F/SN characters/alt versions of them.Wow! What a strange coincidence.
>>290307440>>290307440One of the best techniques in fate is how the routes does this casting away the lies, an exhortation that we take a route as being true from another perspective is falsities of mysticism, philosophy, and even history, of higher ideals of the previous routes, getting progressively more cynical as in the last route where the culmination is only that which we are certain to be true: that life is tragedy, Sakura's biological urges and how it manifests materially and destructively... none of the pretty lies of noble ideals in previous routes, UBW already being a sleeker understanding of the world with more clarity and less moralizing and emotion
>>290299189wobbly fist
>>290306987Nasu believes civilization is evilTherefore the further humans are from civilization, the more inline with nature they are, the stronger they are. Nasu believes outside of civilization humans will revert to some proto primal humans with powers far surpassing modern humans, because they're detached from modernity.All the strongest humans in Nasu settings are always mountain men
>>290307440Soujuurou had his brain detached as a child, which is what gives him his powers. So he has to move every muscle in his body manually at all times or else it won't move. Every breath he takes, every move his muscles takes, his heart, his lungs, everything has to be done manually. This somehow gives him super human precision.>○ Hyakkotsu Bansei Sentou Shugen: A>Hundred Bones, Ten Thousand Lifetimes, Thousand Pagodas Asceticism.>In a state of servitude, one second in darkness is like a single drop of pure water seeping through bedrock over eons, thus accumulating into countless trials.>The basal ganglia are meant to serve as an automation system to convert the body's incredibly intricate movements into simpler, limited movements, reducing the burden on the brain. Those subjected to this superstitious practice have their basal ganglia ■■, forcing them to consciously monitor and calculate the complex coordination of respiratory, skeletal, muscular, and neurological activity. Those who undergo this folk remedy have their basal ganglia ■■, enabling them to manually control the complex coordination of respiratory, skeletal, muscular, and neurological activity.
woobly punches
>>290299189The vast majority of servants were just "normal humans". In fact, they're weaker than they were in real life because the class system can't fully realize their essence.That said, the world is much different compared to Saber's time.
>>290299771>Buffed by Caster>Plus Caster's magic is being boosted by the temple's leyline>Souichiro is a martial arts assassin mountain man (as mentioned below) and thus superhumanBut also>In the anime he physically mogs Saber and pummels the shit out of her>In the original VN she gets caught off guard by his unexpected power and weird ass fighting style and is just briefly forced on the defensive, not beaten up
>>290303641is missing>Class Abilities: Woman Moment
Caster turbobuffed him and he's an expert at kung-fu whereas Seiba is actually isn't a very good fighter, gets hard carried by ECKSU-CARIBAAAA
>>290308975Oh come on anon, she has mind's eye, that means she's goodShe also has riding b, she's a good warrior.
>>290307817So when he fucks caster it means he REALLY wants to fuck her.Good for medea, that cunt.
>>290299189Wobbly Japanese fists and special Japanese breathing
>>290309192What are some techniques that western magi hold in high regard but eastern magi do not?
>>290308987What do half of fate stats even do? I get ones like speed, strength, and luck but some are just so abstract .
>>290310233Riding gives a heroic spirit the ability to use vehicles of all types with varying proficiency, both organic and mechanical ones.Mind's Eye lets the servant sense or see the immediate future, however there are two types of Mind's Eye depending on whether it is an innate trait and therefore "True", or if it's basically instincts so good that they border on precognition, and therefore "False".
>>290310233>>290308987BTW Arturia doesn't have Mind's Eye (False), I think that anon is confusing her with Archer who does have Mind's Eye (False).
>>290310325Riding sounds like a pretty terrible skill.
>>290310670It's not that bad in the modern world, since it includes bikes, cars, planes, helicopters, ships, anything that moves.High level Riding also lets you ride winged Magical Beasts which are pretty strong. Though it is explicitly clarified that Dragons are too overpowered to be ridden by anyone.
>>290310670And to be clear, it doesn't just let the heroic spirit use those vehicles but also allows them to use them at a very high level. If Saber decides to use a car she will drive it like a Formula 1 pilot. If she sits into a plane, she will be the Red Baron reborn, etc.
>>290310715Do you get to summon the magical beasts too? Or do you have to go find one yourself?
>>290310800You get to summon them at will if your heroic legend relates to theirs in a significant way (meaning that your legend includes taming them and riding them), though usually it is used as a sure kill attack or a desperation move because you have to call out their name to summon them, which almost always gives your identity away.
>>290310800Also, I may be wrong on this, but I think it is also said that while dragons are off limits, Temu dragons such as wyverns, cockatrices and such are not.
>>290310851>>290310911Got it, thank you. Every time I try to read the wiki to answer a question I only end up witu like a dozen tabs open and more confused than I was going into it.
Is there a shittier class than Berserker? Any Berserker that you can think of would have been stronger if they weren't lobotomized by their class.
>>290299189Because the series wasn't autistic about power levels back then and was much better for it
>>290310947I only read Stay Night and Hollow Ataraxia myself, so I'm probably really far behind on current lore. But what I said is what Nasu said in the two earliest main entries, so...hope that helped lol.
>>290299189Why does this moment still bother shonenfags and steinsfags so much? The explanation is obvious, and Fate has many worse moments to discuss.
>>290306987Probably from oriental mythology. You see it in Pokemon, for example. A hermit monk meditates there and becomes Buddha. Or they're martial artists instead. It is probably from China.
>>290312672Look up taoist immortals, the xian. Hermits are a big deal in the Orient.
>>290312721funny delusions
>>290299189Because he know how to use the WAVY PUNCHES
>>290307440Lol, you just refuse to acknowledge that your favorite work has a literal primitive structure, such as the hare and tortoise fable>he has a lot of experience He literally just got win after win after win, never actually experiencing any real struggle or defeat. So getting beaten once would make him paranoid, even though he could still get back up and fight again. I wouldn't call him truly experienced. Sure, he has experience, but the quality of that experience is nowhere near the same as that of those servants>he's thousands of years oldFor an ageless being, being thousands of years old doesn't necessarily mean much in terms of maturity, lol
I love saber so much.
>>290299189Her Instinct told her to move in ways that didn't make sense so she ignored it. After that she's taken a lot of damage and couldn't rebound.
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>>290303641Honestly Casters are just absurdly overpowered.
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>>290299189To hype him and give a threatening boss fight to Shiro.
>>290299189>>290309192Ancestors are proud
>>290306954Nah training by yourself on a mountain with no real experience will totally give you fighting skills above that of a king that fought countless battles.
>>290312672>>290312721There's probably some Chinese influence, but Japan also has some mountain trained superhumans like Ushiwakamaru who was trained in the mountains north of Kyoto by a tengu in the martial arts, tactics, and sorcery.
>>290318447Look up the yamabushi and shugendo syncretism.
>>290305800The wobbly dick.
>>290314255I can't believe Saber is fucking dead.
>>290310215Hitting the target.
>>290299189Read.
>>290318708I think I'm starting to understand why the Orient never pulled ahead of the West despite inventing gunpowder and the printing press centuries before the waito pigguzu did.
>>290309192Glorious nipponese breathing, folded over a thousand times...
>>290299189She was too strong to win
>>290318931Welsh women too stronk.
>>290318974The strongest.
>>290307766No. F/SN says in the very prologue that the past moves toward magic and the future moves toward science.The Modern world is just in that awkward spot right in the middle where magic has mostly already diminished to just the level of modern current-day magecraft (kinda pathetic) and science is still far away from rivaling magic, not even having fully surpassed magecraft in all areas yet. I don't know if any of the Nasuverse entries, spin-offs, FGO, etc. ever retcon that away again, but looking at just that statement from the prologue there is no mention of anti-civilization, but rather that you should fully commit to one or the other and not be a half-assed fence-sitter.
>>290319040giwtwm
>>290318708>archer threw away nippon bow meme meditation in favor of western archery
>>290319060Sounds like Arcanum a bit.
>>290319040That's some fucking gay shit right there.
>AAAIIIEEE SHIROU HELP ME HE KNOWS KUNG-FUUUUShe never recovered from this humiliation
>>290319060Moon Cell was kinda sci-fiish.imo.
>>290314203My King
>>290319108west > eastalways
I believe her to be best girl
>>290321650She is the best, no contest.>>290319739>says the biggest homosexual ever to walk the earth
>>290299189He gets to roll initiative. He’s playing backgammon while everyone else is playing chess. He should be level one, but he’s boosted to level 50 because of hacks.
>>290299189she never lost, he got 1 good attack and saber recovered instantly it was supposed to be a kill move so he completely failedno your fanfiction anime doesnt matter,
>>290322409Uh bro it was the same in the anime and VN
>>290318836It's just brutal competition and wanting to be the best. The west very much tried to imitate this intense will for competition and to be superior than your others, to conquer space The history of the civilized East was always this paltry sense of refinement, cloaking themselves in these lies about having moral superiority from being packed together and more "socialized" despite it being endless slums and shantytowns. This why barbarians ran through china with just some horsebros many times
>>290299189Wobbly fists + witch magic
>>290299189Fate doesn't have good writing.
>>290323047>imitatelollmao
>>290299189Kuzuki is basically superhuman to begin with, see >>290309192. Putting that aside, when they fought, Saber straight up did not comprehend the idea of a blocking a sword barehanded like that, and the fight was decided by that first move already because Kuzuki just starts wailing on her without giving her a chance to recover. But the important thing is that Saber isn't even down for the count after Kuzuki went for a fatal blow, and as soon as she gets back up Kuzuki backs off knowing that she's going to fight for real this time and she's leagues stronger than he is. Basically it's a miraculous fluke, and once Suzuki gets in a real fight with a servant without the plot armor he has here, he gets annihilated in two seconds.
>>290308996Soujuurou and Souichirou aren't the same
Mahoyo bros.. we're finally winningVolume 2 is 480 pages longVolume 1 is 416 pages long
>>290327910After tsukihime remake, I can't really trust Nasu anymore. Like, I just hope Nasu can keep anything that's not Fate more secretive and supernatural instead of turning it into some battle shounen cape shit. But since everything has turned into Fate, I can't really hope for much anymore
>>290299189do people are really not understood?
