dumping.
>Zensho is tommy wisaeu
KINO
>>290372889Afro really is best boy.
To Be Continued!
>>290372620tags: mind rape
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>>290372847Powerful
>>290372889One would think a professional that's been on stage for so many years would have figured out by now his looks are just too funny to self-insert into a serious story.
>Zensho LandIt really is just like how anime adapted Karashi's BM. Also fitting since Karashi had some "King of Comedy" parodies going on while Zensho is the "King of Comedy" in Rakugo>Karashi's performance in Karaku! Zensho Edition>Akane's "Jugemu" references with Kaisei (one of the first stories he learns from Issho as a child is Jugemu ala Akane tongue twister with her dad; the display of parental love through the name they chose via "Haru" from his mom and "Kaisei" from Issho; his actual name being revealed when the Jugemu episode in the anime came out)>Kaichi telling Kaisei he ended up rooting for him during his performance, referencing Issho's first talk with Akane about the audience's applauseDamn "Issho's specialty being Shibahama" stocks just keep piling upAlso semi-off-topic>"I don't want this to be another dream">Akane and Kaisei on their walk were passing some spot saying "DREAM"(something)kek
>>290372996How many people has he mindbroken for life kek
>>290372847I don't like this.I was looking forward to Zenshou actually being a master craftsman himself too, but he seems to have zero control over the audience and is only popular because everyone else thinks he's inherently wacky.
>>290372493>can only see his face no matter how hard you tryActually hilarious
>>290372847
>>290373937Sorry about your weight
>>290372847>>290373937yeah i dunno how to feel about this either
>>290373937Isn't that why he's so pissy?
>>290373937It makes me feel sad for him. He just wants to be taken seriously but is cursed with a sort of comedian... charisma? reputation? people just will not take him seriously no matter how hard he tries.
So how is issho supposed to be funnier than this?
>>290372493>>290372582>>290372620>>290372665>>290372713>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBn3jxuOFsY&t=1sAnd now Karashi writes fanfic (and beats Hikaru's specialty kek)
>>290372665Is this the most powerful nin ability we have seen yet?
>>290374130He played the clown on TV to make people take notice of the Arakawa school and now can't leave that stigma behind.Isshou and Shiguma should be far more respectful of him he's the only reason they managed to break out of obscurity and are enjoying their current fame.
>>290373937He does have the raw skills otherwise he can't pass those skills to Taizen who ended up at the top of his craft.
>>290374134He isn't. He's actually gonna pull an emotional to make Zensho seethe>This is how Zensho thought he was moving btw
>>290374134Issho doing funny stuff feels completely out of character which does a complete 180 and it does in fact become funny.
>>290374262He should just do plastic surgery.
mindbroken Akane is cute
>>290373937No he definitely has both the skill and works hard as fuckHis problem is that his personality is so fucking overpowering that a normal audience can't help but see the King of Comedy in everything he doesHe's cursed by his reputation to a point that the crowd can't help but laugh their ass off even if he's currently executing a flawless performance of the most depressing tear jerker classics
>>290374505You just KNOW she's gonna have nightmares about Zensho's performance for weeks
>We trained him wrong, as a joke
so this is all this tv hags fault for putting him on nothing but comedy shows right
>>290374262I'll never get over how this super serious guy of all people is one of his students.
>>290374700I think he got put on nothing but comedy shows because he is so funny looking.
>>290374646Kiroku is truly the villain of the story>>290374708>inb4 Taizen was struggling to make people laugh due to how intimidating he is and funny man Zensho was his best bet
So dude's got a midas touch where everything turns to comedy gold regardless of his intention
>>290373429He cannot see past his own ego.And he has been extremely successful with his comedy, but he yearns for the prestige of sincere acting.But between his extremely unusual looks and his association with comedy, he is not seen in his intentions.However, being a vain egomaniac he cannot see past himself. He looks in the mirror and sees a great rakugoka. People look at him and see a clown.
>Let's put Zensho in the Rakugo Federation as a joke
>>290372996The more time passes the more I think Afro is right and Shiguma was a giant dick.
>>290372847Not going to lie, this sucks for him. All the zensho haters before these chapters now see he's constantly getting dunked on and hates how the audience seemingly looks down on him. Like he's a tommy wiseau who managed to find actual success
>>290372996What did he tell Zensho?Isshou has to hate what he does to rakuga right?
>>290374963>What did he tell Zensho?Probably something similar to what he told Kyoji
>>290373429It's not just his looks, it's his entire vibe.
>>290374856Honestly looking back on all of zensho's interactions with this knowledge it seems to be more of a weird pitty thing and a sort of thank you for getting the arakawa school popular?
>>290372343I find it kinda hard to believe that in the world of internet Akane wouldn't have already seen videos of the Big Rakugoka exibitions, there's probably hundreds of Issho\Zensho's\etc. performances on youtube telling all sort of stories
>>290374917Apologize
Does anyone other than Akane and Issho actually hate Zensho?
>>290372847>aren't laughing with him but at himHow is this second-rate rakugoka even part of the elite four?
>>290375221I really don't see any of the big characters doing anything out of pity.The way I see it Zensho is actually extremely talented and his performance super skillful, but he just can not leave his ego behind and the crowd always treats him like a gigantic joke. The only ones who really know how good he is are probably Issho, Shiguma, and a bunch of the other experienced big name Rakugoka.
>>290375364Not really if anything it seems to be the opposite everyone else finds him funny and chill
>>290375377He can pull in the audience numbers and money no others can.
>>290375364I mean it's Zensho who bares his fangs at any Shiguma apprentice. You make it sound like it's irrational to develop a dislike for someone who is antagonistic to you.
>>290375221It looks more like he was the only choice left for the Rakugo Federation to have as Arakawa rep>Shiguma is in the Wordless Realm>Issho is huge no-no>Ikken is Issho's dog>Taizen is socially awkward>Maikeru was in fucking New York for some reasonOnly Zensho is left>>290375236Akane has been living in quite a small bubble where she's been mostly idolizing her dad and Shiguma and her revenge towards Issho>>290375364Chocho probably because he mindbroke Taizen for 6 years
>>290374563It's not so much his reputation, it's his looks. Even back when they were young he couldn't figure out why Issho and Shiguma were popular by themselves, even if it was not reflected in school's popularity, while we were shown he scored first place in celebrity you don't want to date. People are biased, they are more likely to sympathize with pretty guys than a fat guy with afro.
>>290375236Anon I don't think you understand how Japan works, that's pirating and the Japanese would DMCA that shit so fast.
>>290375364Does Issho like anyone
>>290375507>>290374563It's a combination of everything. His public persona as the King of Comedy, how he looks, his mannerisms, how he likes to dress, his exaggerated style of speech, everything.
>>290375236yeah but it's been years already since she began studying Rakugo seriously, why wouldn't she study the Top Dogs' performances, or at least get curious to see how the best in the world do their Rakugo>>290375535there's tons of legal Rakugo masters videos on Youtubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rELFGpk8YNY
>>290375549He seems to have a thing for middle-aged women running their own restaurant/bar.
>>290375601>why wouldn't she study the Top Dogs' performancesI think Akane has been tunnel visioning for so long she thought there was nothing good to learn from those she dislikes. Until Issho came along and forced her to be his student.
>>290375549>Kiroku (he still longs for art, still keeps the 生 kanji from Kisoba as Issho, and tried to project his daddy issues with Kaisei and the tab)>Ikken (they seem to be getting along doing shows together)>Kaisei (his "son" he tried to push away to not end up like him, the only apprentice whose name he gave the 生 kanji in Issho and "nooo you're still a young bud don't go to the concrete realm just because you lost")
>doubting zensho's skillName a single student that Shiguma,ikken or issho have thats on par with taizen despite having way more time to develop a top level practitioner.
>>290375886Maikeru.
>>290375822>>IkkenThat's only because he is the most nicest dude in the manga, he probably has intrusive thoughts about leaving his ass
>>290375364That one young adult woman that really really really doesn't want to sleep with him from last chapter
>>290375950>Behind Kaisei's mask lurks demon>Issho's a demonThere might be something fucked up with Ikken behind his chill atitude too considering he's the Issho student who had front seats to the man becoming who he isOfftopic but hilarious how right he was about Kaisei hating Rokuro but so off about how he actually felt about Akane
Issho wins again.
>>290375507this reads like projection.
>>290375462There are supposedly two more shin'uchi in the Arakawa school aside from Issho, the Arch Four, and now Maikeru, but we've never seen them. They're probably not influential enough to be of any help to the Federation.
>>290376150All at the simple cost of a cosplay mocking him
>>290376436If Issho is the greatest of his generation how come he didn't inherit the Shiguma name? Checkmate, Isshofags.
>>290376479Because Shiguma is evil and Issho is the good guy
>>290376479>"Your art is your Humanity">Issho is obsessed with art in the purest senseHe lacked the "Nin" (kanji for "benevolence, compassion, humanity) for itAlso I think he fucked up at the third story at some point and hence Kiroku failed him.Now how did Shiguma fuck up that he lost the rights to perform Shiguma's art is the real question
>>290376479God knows what happened back then. Old Shiguma was a rebel type with knack for psychology, Issho could have still been the best of the best among performers, and not been approved cause of his personality.
>>290376130Ikken finds Issho's behavior amusing, he actually enjoys the drama. That alone is proof he has a screw loose even though he has been nothing but fair and helpful (unless you are Hikaru's manager). I still wouldn't trust his account of Shiguma's "sin" that Kaisei just passed along to Akane, like your picrel shows he can be wrong sometimes.
Going back to this page>The panel of the sea at sunset between them>"Akane" = the vermilion SUNSET sky>"Haru" = the tiny butterfly crossing a treacherous SEAKINO Kaisei is a bottom, confirmed kek
>>290376682Yosuke/Rokuen/Shiguma VI lied to or kept a secret from Kisoba/Issho, betraying his self.
>>290372847>>290372889The King... of Comedy...
>>290377436>spoilerWe already knew that since the third chapter
>>290377685Hey another reminder is always goodAlso, exchange-related is funny as shit considering Rensekai onwards>Akane does her best with Changing Time but loses by 1 point>"If that was you trying your best, I'll just give up on you" = checks on her afterwards ("Ikken called me" my ass), still thinks about her and smiles about it, still waited for her to catch up>"Oh believe me I wouldn't complain if you did" = ends up crying because she lost her chance to compete with him and disappointed him (moment that lived rent-free for years), still thinks about him as her goal, "Ayo I've been confirmed for Futatsume; I'll catch up to you for real this time"
>>290372752>Zensho's already at the second half of the storyUh... surely they wouldn't offscreen Issho's specialty a la Kaisei's performance at the Arakawa Breeze ("And then Issho won") r-right?
>>290374221Karashi is the real hero
It does feel a little weird that one of the powerscaled super mini bosses in the Arakawa Arch Four is a guy who can't do rakugo correctly.
>>290374563>>290375507It's definitely partly reputation. IRL a lot of comedians will talk about how after they make it it doesn't matter how good their materiel is anymore, the audience shows up and laughs no matter what. It makes it really hard to improve or not backslide in skill after a certain level of fame.
>>290380265He is just that funny
>>290374700I have to assume comedies were his specialty for decades and he's just pissed because nobody takes him seriously in his old age as he tries to branch out but he also fails at it because he's so used to doing shit like slapping a bald cap on top of his afro and expelling the audience.
>>290375601You are not supposed to watch Rakugo performances as an audience member, if you are a Rakugoka yourself.
>>290372847Beat Takeshi had this same problem when he first got into movies
>>290380714But they have watched it from behind stage and competition footage on tv, a video would not be much different.
>>290380265He's clearly respected among the rakugoka. There's no way he isn't skilled as fuck with his position in the Arch Four, otherwise a lot more people than just Issho would have taken an issue with him being there.I think it's just that his skill really doesn't matter to the average Joe that visits his shows.Those people come expecting to laugh their asses off at the King of Comedy making a fool out of himself, whether the rakugo is good or not is completely secondary to them.>>290380565That flashback showed the Arakawa School got their start doing random bullshit live entertainment, not specifically rakugo, and we've seen a young Zensho make a name for himself and put the spotlight on the otherwise incredibly obscure school by starring in a lot of comedy shows on TV.From what we've seen his comedy is in no small part responsible for the Arakawas hitting it big.Unlike the others he just never really seems to have been able to leave that old King of Comedy persona behind and put the focus back on rakugo. Probably because he was so successful on TV. Entire generations probably watched his shenanigans regularly when he was fighting to give his school a future. That's an entirely different level of exposure from his brothers singing and dancing and doing lord knows what in run down bars and random theaters.
>>290380986On the other hand, Rowan Atkinson's role as Maigret amazed people that he could do a really good performance in drama, so it's probably down to how much skill you (and the director) have to hit people with sudden realization stuff is not funny any more.
>>290380986A really good modern example is Jared Leto actually.The guy will never be able to leave all those memes behind.No matter how serious the movie he stars in is, he will always be the DAMAGED Joker and Morbius
>>290372847Wow...that's really sad.
>>290381674Not really, Leto's career is too big to be reduced to two roles that most people probably don't even remember anymore. Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger are sooner to be remembered when one speaks of Joker.
I can't sympathize with him, if he wanted to be taken seriously he should've lost some weight
>>290382136Calm down, Issho
Zensho is gonna make Issho cry, mark my words
Notice how akane aka issho 2.0 didn't criticize zensho's technical skills at all.
>>290380265He is so good that he doesn't have to try to be funny, even when being serious. His apprentice is part of the arch four showing Zensho is at a high level. Zensho himself uses the latter as an argument that he is better than Issho and Shiguma by having an apprentice in the arch four.
>>290377436Not just a bottom but a total masochist. He's going to enjoy Akane's fangs a lot someday.
>>290382747She was too mindbroken by Zensho doggies to think of that.
>>290380986I laughed at the end of Instructions Not Included. I couldn't take the film seriously even at a depressing scene. Spending most of your time as a comedian can be a curse for the time you want to be taken seriously.
>>290372847Afro had a hard life...
>>290372847Now THIS is a good twist.
>>290372665Malkovich? Malkovich Malcovich.Malkovich.
>>290372847Its basically two takes on "Becoming Rakugo">Become Raguko by erasing yourself so the story can be expressed>Become Raguko by literally replacing all the characters with yourself
>>290373937>because everyone else thinks he's inherently wackyWell he is, that's the whole conundrum.
>>290374936>But Doctor, I Am Pagliacci .
>>290374936>Like he's a tommy wiseau who managed to find actual successAny real life exemple of that?
>>290372620>>290381214For me it's the storks
>Maikeru couldn't make the audience laugh at the comedic half of the story>Zensho can't make them cry over the tragic half
>>290372343nice
>>290392590>Shiguma canHe's something of a family guy
>>290372343Thanks
>>290374505I live spiral pupils so much
>>290392590Really makes you feel bad for Zensho since the tragic part is the core of Time's Up
>>290392590It's strange how incomplete his master left him, when Zensho was said to have been his favorite. Maybe he just came in too late and old Shiguma croaked before the really good lessons, like how to channel your seething and cryptic requests into magic vanishing acts.
>>290398808Guess Kiroku went a bit overboard with "You can turn any story into comedy gold!" by that point in life, and when he met Zensho the embodiment of Comedy, he went>This is the Magnum Opus, I don't have to teach this man much!
>>290398808>It's strange how incomplete his master left himI don't think he's incomplete.He's still part of the Elite 4, there's not gonna be many people that are better than him.
>>290399593dude can't make audience react with anything but laughter, even when he tries his hardest to tell a sad story. If he can't cross that hurdle, then his place in Elite 4 might have been acquired in different manner from one you'd expect logically. From what was shown, even Akane is at this point better, despite being way below in rank.
>>290399705That doesn't have anything to do with technical skill.Did you see Akane laugh her ass off at him? No, you didn't.You can be the most skilled motherfucker in the world, if the audience goes into it thinking you will do comedy your performance will never be anything but comedy.
>>290399747Akane got shocked by Zensho self-inserting into every person, animal and even the sun. She didn't recognize amazing skill, she wasn't laughing cause she was too busy being confused what the fuck was he doing. His self-inserts meant that he is essentially serving the audience comedy without realizing he is doing comedy again, which is hardly good technical skills. Akane herself learned to step out of being a comedian and evoke other emotions in her audience, but Zensho is just stuck.
>>290400073I don't think Zensho is self inserting. There hasn't been any reason to believe that so far.I think it's more that his extreme reputation warps everything into comedy from the listener's perspective, if you didn't know of him at all you wouldn't have that "everyone is Zensho" effect at all
>>290372847No... His pure and sincere heart TRAMPLED by the ugly masses!
>>290400108>>290400073>>290399747I don't think we have enough information yet desuHis tragedy could be that he's a misunderstood genius but he could also just be comedy incarnate with very little grasp on the finer details of rakugo
>>290400165His greatest tragedy is really that he hasn't realized the damning effect of afro and sunglasses when worn by a fat man.
>>290400487My wife and daughter think I look manly with my afro. I'm fat with glasses.
>>290400507They love you, anon. Love can affect how you see people or what you tell them to not hurt their feelings.
