So we all agree that naruto is the worst in Big 3 by a mile?
>>290392005Was. That's One Piece now
Nah still bleach.
>>290392005bleach ending was fineone piece is a bit stalenaruto is fucking attrocious, one of the worst endings Japan has ever had
>>290392005It's Wan Piss. Oda has gotten so sloppy since Naruto ended.
>>290392121Nah Naruto vs Sasuke was great. Better than Bleach's meme arrow. Maybe Ichigo should have fought Uryu.
>>290392040FPBP
>>290392005Always was
>>290392005The worst is and always has been Bleach
>>290392005One Piece has always been the worst of the big three.How it ever got to be that popular is way beyond me.
>>290392005losing Naruto (and Bleach, sure) as competitors has made OP degrade rapidly. Naruto's the worst but you'll see a point where One Piece is about its equal in quality.
>>290392662>warm pissNihon dropped it like a bag of potatoes. Their new craze is Kimetsu no Yaiba. Been that way since 2020. Pedoda will rope himself soon
>>290392481What makes Bleach the worst?
>>290392662Covid
>>290393190nta. don't take this as me hating bleach, but its barely a story, the mc is barely a character, the worldbuilding barely exists. its just a sequence of cool fights and as the kids say "aura farming"more objectively speaking, its the only one that didn't get a full anime adaptation at the time when "the big 3" mattered. we'll see what people think of it now but it was definitely the worst at the time.
>>290393190Gigi
>>290393458>t. has never consumed Bleach in his entire life.Funny how one video criticizing Bleach back in the day turned everyone into parrots repeating this bullshit, something that would make you look insane in Japan lol.
>>290393690no, ive never consumed one piece in my life.my ranking is naruto > bleach > one pieceand i think by popularity it was one piece > naruto > bleacheither way the big 3 is ancient history and irrelevant in the current landscape
>>290392005Unfortunately, it's exactly the opposite. Wanpiss is the monster of the week shonenslop since the last century and bleach is so shit nobody ever cared about it to begin with
>>290392005I never got past the chuuni exams since MC seems like a faggot and his emo rival also seemed like a faggotthen I hear that it is actual soft-yaoi between these 2 fags so it was properly assessed
>>290393246One Piss was popular all throughout the 2000s zoom zoom
>>290392148>Naruto vs Sasuke was greatIn part 1, sure. Part 2, no.
>>290392005Yes, also Bleach is the best one.
>>290392005Never read One Piss because the "art" filtered me hard, but Bleach > Naruto.
>>290393690That video was only poorly researched in misunderstanding how Shonen Jump rankings worked but the thesis that Ichigo was a boring reactive character with a non-existent personality was completely correct. Even his powers are boring. Bleach also suffers from tremendous cast bloat. Naruto manages to keep a lid on it until the War arc and even then it's not too bad, One Piece does have an insanely huge cast but that's part of the epic scale of the world, Bleach's world feels tiny despite shovelling completely useless swathes of characters at you every single arc. Seriously who tf cares about Vizards? Every arc introduces like 30 new people and almost every single character sucks except for the titty monsters
>>290393690post the video
>>290392005Anyone who thinks naruto has any merit past the first arc is subhuman filth. Reversing the ban was the worst thing moot ever did.
>>290394722Based.
>>290392040Flippy Bippy
>>290393190There's nothing about Ichigo that makes me want to follow the story.
>>290392005Bleach had both its manga and anime cancelled. That's one of the most humiliating fates a series can have.
>>290396380It was worse than that, Bleach was cancelled and it was replaced in its timeslot by a Rock Lee spin-off.
>>290392040This
>>290397144Ain't no way...
>>290392005Haven't watched one piece, probably never will but Naruto>Bleach. Naruto tries to execute complex themes and character moments but fails at it. Bleach doesn't try at all. It's all too by the books shonen.
I only ever read Naruto, but I must say, that one is probably the worst.
>>290396380Bleach had no plot, zero. I mean, even for a battle shonen it was bad. And the pacing was horrendous. It was just endless fighting, with single fight sometimes lasting like 50-100 chapters.
This thread screams>please>please>PLEASE>care about Bleach
>>290392005Youre thinking bleach. the only of the original to be canceled for 10 years. Didnt even reach the finish line it was so bad. MHA anime finished before bleach slop did. Sad Kobu was waiting for AI to finish his work for him
>>290399970If you want to rub more salt to the wound, MHA manga also sold more volumes per average than Bleach lol
>>290399722jeremy and/or sraske...
>>29040001010 years of an anime being canceled probably does that. OP could have started a family in that time
>>290392005I rather have Boruto as a continuation and a manga than the absolute dogshit Solo Leveling-like garbage that Bleach has turned itself into.
>>290397144>a room of people all agreed it was a better use of their money Imagine the sales pitch where they were so hungry to throw bleach under the bus they took that instead
>>290392481Definitely this. Bleach somehow manages to be both the most pretentious and yet most toothless of the lot. It tries to shove in as much 'cool shit' as it possibly can, but has the least human substance and fails at even trying to be edgy.
>>290400279Didnt the author try desperately to reboot it and fail?
>>290392005No.One piece is sunking harder and for a much longer time.If post-timeskip was weaker than pre timeskip, from GUANO to Elbaff one piece has been a complete turd.Imu might be one of the worst and lamest villains ever written, to the point him and Joyboy are actively damaging the world building of One piece .And the characters has become a shadow of who they used to be, with Oda being reduced to retconning them to pretend they have anything new to say (100% nami is going to be the lost princess of some shitty forgotten/lost kindom).It is genuinely more painful than Naruto’s demise
>>290400327This is a fucking EU. You know what else was meant to be an EU? Samurai 8. But Kishimoto cowered and never even acknowleged it as such.At least Kubo had the right idea.
>>290392005>we all agree, right???>please, I need validation Imagine being so fragile that you can’t have an opinion unless everyone else is already on board.
>>290392005Always was and it was never close.
>>290392005Yes. Only redditor scum don't agree.
>>290392005that's still bleach
>>290392005Narutards on suicide watch.
>>290392005>Bleachfags emboldened after a Boruto esque filler episode from the Boruto teamJust when you think they can't get any more pathetic.
>>290392005>Big 3is a stupid meme made by americans because they didnt get enough exposure to anime like euros and south americans didno wonder almost every bad opinion, hoax and meme about anime comes from americafrance had daft punk collab with leiji matsumoto, america gives you somethingawful dudes making "2 nukes not enough" jokes for years before they replace those with bullshit concerns about women only trains and junko furuta
>>290394676Bleach has a total of 50-200 characters which is puny compared to the 1,000 characters Z has and owned by Freiza or R.R.
>>290392005Yeah because unlike the other 2 it was never good.
>>290400023Oh wow, you really do have no life. Stay in your narutard containment threads.
It's still one piece.
>>290400327No. This was a one shot that was popular enough to receive more chapters. Samurai Flop on the otherhand..
>>290402869If this is true, why didn't they make any good Boruto episodes?
>>290392005I haven't dropped Naruto even with the fillersI haven't dropped Bleach even with the fillers and the long break between OG and TYBWI dropped One Piece at Dessrossa and never returned. Even the lorebombs and big reveals didn't phase me anymore.That's my personal worst of the Big 3. I don't care what others say.
>>290392005yeah naruto is trash
>>290392005Have you read nuPiece anon? If you did then there would be no doubt at all and really no need to ask this question.
>>290403988some anon in an OP thread posted a while back a comparison between old OP double spreads versus nuOP double spreads and I literally felt something breaking inside me as I was staring at it...
>>290400010>popularity = quality
>>290392040And it's only going to get worse
>>290392005Naruto and OP will always be more culturally relevant than Bleach no matter how much Bleachtard think that shitty anime has "fixed" the manga (here's a hint Bleach went to shit even before this final arc which is still atrocious, adding fluff when the outcome and writing is still the exact same doesn't magically improve your story). No one talked about Bleach unless it was in comparison to either Naruto or One Piece, whereas the two others have or at least Naruto in that case seeing as OP has not ended, sustained discussion on their own. Bleach will go back to irrelevancy as soon your milquetoast anime end .
>>290403988Imagine ever reading warm piss
>>290392481MC isn't a raving retard that shouts his goal to so the retarded manchild audience can relate to him.
>>290393190Bleach is the Kingdom Hearts of manga: needlessly complicated, retarded "twists" that come off more as retcons, an MC who's the most SPECIAL BOY possible despite being the least interesting person in the story and bloated with characters who don't do shit but stick around because they're too popular to kill off.
>>290404054I think Narutards are just autistic and refuse to move on. Bleach storytime was just as popular as the Naruto storytime on here, but the fans aren't forcing cringe generals ans stupid 1 chapter a day threads. Naruto is irrelevant, nobody talks about it except to shit on it.
>>290396380Bleach knew its target audience cared only about cool characters doing cool things and that's why it was the best of the 3.
>>290404092Very, very telling that the only argument for Naruto being good is "it's popular/culturally relevant"The MCU and fucking Twilight are popular and culturally relevant too. Going to argue that they have merit?
>>290404092>Bleach storytime was just as popular as the Naruto storytime on hereThat storytime was pure shitposting and showed that any decorum left on this board is dead. You people are /dbs/ levels of clowns.
>>290392040>nowAlways was.
>>290404086>needlessly complicatedenough about One Piece>retarded "twists" that come off more as retconsOh my rubber rubber fruit which is actually the mythical zoan type HUMAN SUN GOD>an MC who's the most SPECIAL BOY possible despite being the least interesting person in the storyYou mean like Luffy, son of the revolutionary Dragon, grandson of the hero Garp, who carries the will of D., who got the mysterious strawhat from one of the four emperors, Shanks, who also has the Conqueror's HACKi and the SUN GOD fruit?>bloated with characters who don't do shit but stick around because they're too popular to kill off.Like Usopp, Nami, Chopper etc etc?
>>290404092the daily won
>>290404135When did the daily end? I was waiting for it to read the Great Ninja War alongside it (I've never finished it), but I got bored and it lost my attention. There were a lot of schizos in those threads
>>290404116>That storytimeWhich one?
>>290404106And what argument would you use to put Bleach above these others two then ? Writing ? Because Bleach certainly doesn't excel in that aspect, the story was so barebone that it took a series of novels to fill in the blank so much so that it actually became a meme, for all it's flaw at least the crap that was setting and story in Naruto was IN the manga and not some light novel spin off. Characters ? Bleachtard autistically screech about that one video when you point how much of boring character Ichigo actually is. Characters ? The most "popular" one are Aizen who's pretty flat when you actually look into his character and fucking Yuruichi for all the wrong reasons.
>>290404252It's still going. It's still just schizos flinging shit at each other.
>>290404306Bleach's characters are far more interesting than Naruto's and much less gay.
>>290397144This shit was kino desu.>>290392005Bleach was crap manga and anime wise. Ichigo is barely even a character like yuji in jjk.
Considering this thread has just turned into Bleach vs Naruto, think it's safe to assume One Piss is the worst of the 3.
>>290404306Characters, style, and knowing full well what it is and embracing it.>"But muh style over substance"Go fucking read a goddamn philosophy or time & life book.
HxH is the real winner here because naruto copied off of it and naruto is the beat of the big three. Won pisses survived through covid and it became even more popular than it was during marine ford , bleach was shit but not during its early run because kubo knows how to make good art work and good character fashion designs. Plus the tittys.
>>290404086>needlessly complicated, retarded "twists" that come off more as retcons, Itachi was a good boy who had to kill his clan because....he just did. Nagato is the mastermind behind Akatsuki, actually it's Obito, actually it's a dead guy that's treated like some ancient relic that died a decade before the story starts, actually it's a parasite of an actual ancient relic that fell from the moon and is an alien >an MC who's the most SPECIAL BOY possible despite being the least interesting person in the story Oh my destined reincarnation >and bloated with characters who don't do shit but stick around because they're too popular to kill off.The entirety of Naruto's classmates and every new character that gets introduced in part 2. Looking at you Sai and Yamato.
>>290394676You seriously think Naruto used it's characters better than bleach did? Kek, maybe going blind would be a blessing for you.
>>290392005I remember when /a/ collectively agree that narutards were not welcomed before the zoomer jeets and troons flooded this board
>>290404392HXH is leagues above the big 3. There's a reason it's not even mentioned in these conversations
>One piece keeps mindbroken Nardofags and CloroxcucksHail the king
>>290399656Bleach has the best plot of the big three and the best twists. You're just denying it because you would be driven suicidal otherwise.
>>290399970>>290400010Too bad that Deku is a pathetic failed normie cuck who watches Bakugo run a train on his "wife" every day.
>>290404135It sure did buddy. I bet your mom is proud of you.
>>290404431Hiatus x Hiatus is in a league of it's own along with D.gray-man with their big breaks lmao
>>290400327You mean the acclaimed oneshot that got its own OVA? LOL no. Nice try, I bet you're replying to yourself too. Meanwhile Boruturd's anime got shut down and replaced by Bleach.
>>290404431It also filters most fans of the "big 3" because muh walls of text.
>>290404449Are you insinuating that Deku's even into chicks?
>>290404435embarrassing esl post
>>290404116/dbs/ is the funniest place on the internet and the only place in the board that still makes OC so that's a complement.
>>290404417The internet is very centralized now and the same posters you see on /a/ you also see on twitter and reddit and narutards always had a chip on their shoulder from being mocked as THE most insufferable fanbase. They've been trying to gaslight people into thinking it's not a piece of shit for close to two decades now.
>>290404431HxH is never ending. It lost. Yu Yu Hakusho will always be better.
>>290399656Naruto's "war" is like 1/3 of the manga that lasts 2 days and the final fight goes on for like 100 chapters.
>>290404535>you also see on twitter and redditI don't go to either of those websites
>>290392662OP got popular because there was literally nothing else to read for nearly a decade Notice how most of the big OP YouTube channels used to be bleach, hxh or naruto channels
>>290404353I dropped One Piece after Dressrosa but it will always be Naruto.
The real winner here.>Two successful manga series that inspired the big three.>marries a sailor moons author>defeats dragon quest.>can tell shonen jump to fuck off and they would still kiss his ass more than oda.he is the wolf in sheeps clothing.
I don't know which is the worst but the Naruto fan base is easily the worst of the 3.
>>290404581You come here so it basically counts as going there too since most threads and posts are repeated on all platforms.
>narutard keeps trying to deflectYou'll always be the laughing stock of anime fans.
>>290392121Bleach ending was garbage, the new TYBW anime seems even worse with the woke SJW Orihime girlboss which wasn't written by KuboNaruto ending was okayish aside from Madara getting fucked over
i just hope you're baiting and reverse baiting. this console war shit is cringe
>>290404651Your tears are delicious.
>>290404613In an ideal timeline, without health struggles and frequent hiatuses, Togashi would have pumped out consistent weekly chapters that could easily have pushed HxH past 200 million copies and taken its rightful spot in the Big 3 (One Piece started in 1997, HxH started in 1998 and Naruto in 1999, Bleach came out much later) instead of Bleach. The manga sold 100 million copies in circulation with just 39 volumes despite the hiatuses, and it has a higher average per volume sales (2.56 million) than Bleach (1.76 million) across its 74 volumes (130 million total). Its 2011 anime is also more popular than Bleach's anime.But health problems and hiatuses sabotaged HxH.
>>290404132>not even a single (You)concession accepted
>>290404651Naruto ending was horrible lmao
>>290404535yeah, though the jeets and africans are genuinely unaware of that since they didn't interact with the first world much back then
>>290404753699 was okay with nard and sauce shaking hands making up to each other.Its just the last was not necessary vol 72 was not necessary boruto was not necessary and the ships were terrible.
>>290392005No, that's easily Bleach.This shitty anime is just "Aura Farming: The Animated Series." Bleach is really just the prototype version of JJK and it made me realize that I don't give a flying fuck about cool fights in battle shounen if there's no emotional weight behind them.It's important to establish that characters and their relationships are the most important part of a series, they're the bread and butter of manga as Togashi stated. Araki praised Togashi, not for his ability to write complex battles, but because he knows how to write characters that feel human, characters that could be your friends in real life. Likewise, Togashi praised Oda and said One Piece's biggest strength was its emotional moments and Oda was an expert at making his audience cry for his characters and relate to them on a human level.The characters in Bleach are not humans and they lack meaningful relationships. They're concepts, more akin to puppets. The "cool fights" in Bleach is essentially just watching two action figures going at it, beating the shit out of each other. Characters are introduced, say a few cool one-liners and strike some poses to get yumejos wet, and then are maimed and beaten up or just get written out of the story. The author is autistic and cannot imbue a single soul or emotion into his work because he's so afraid to have his characters look vulnerable and ugly. Even when they're mentally at a breaking point, they have to look cool or beautiful while doing it.None of Bleach's "hype" scenes can be as emotional as "help me" or "I wanna live" because Kubo can't write humans. Bleach is basically "Solo Leveling but Japan."
>>290392005Naruto started as a deconstruction of the battle shonen genre>So you think being a ninja is cool? Too bad, you're a child soldier and war fucking sucks. You have to deal with being frozen by fear, seeing kids your age die brutally and you're probably developing PTSD. Oh you're more talented than your coousin but caste system makes you basically a slave to her? sucks to be you, world isn't fair. That guy who's all about the hard work and dreams? Too bad his leg is broken now, this is reality dumbass, violence is stronger than dreams. until the moment it became shit>My name is choji I am a fatso... I can't do shit and need to drug myself to handle physical excercise.... BUT DONT YOU DARE INSULT MY FRIENDS (proceeds to actually win)The fact that Power of Friendship (TM) actually worked is what killed the hype for me. Naruto never recovered.
>>290404815What a waste of space
Naruto is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping drama and DARKNESS. It gets people who wouldn't normally watch anime to watch it, but because it's so long and has so many episodes, they think they've actually accomplished something by watching it all. They wear headband replicas and quote "believe it" like brainwashed cultists, lowering the overall IQ of the local anime community.
>>290404815>this scrimblo gaping toilet human to a pisstard
>>290392005Everyone with a brain agrees.
>>290404833Naruto beating Neji is when it started to unravel
>>290404833>So you think being a ninja is cool? Too bad, you're a child soldier and war fucking sucksStopped reading right there. The first fight in Naruto happens off screen as he just makes shadow clones and the next arc is about chasing a guy to take his bells, it felt like playing ninjas, it lacked seriousness despite it taking itself seriously >orange ninjasPuh-lease.
Naruto won pal i do not see ichigo having another kid with orohime but he made two with hinata.
>>290404869kek
>>290404880It would have been tolerable if the fox stayed a curse instead of becoming a privilege
>Bleach fans think they matter the thread
>>290392005Bleach was Cancelled twice and literally replaced with a rock Lee spinoff kekw>the ending was fixedAnyone can fix anything with ten years, should have taken like 40 minutes to fix Bleach's final arc drawn in crayons. Not ten years (+4 for every 12 eps)Happy cancelation day anniversary (a few days ago)Episode was great thoughNaruto had like 50 episodes like that BTW, not 3Youre just a jjkkiddy hype aurrrraaaaaaaaa peaaak!!!
>>290404915At least Ichigo's 1 kid doesn't look ugly like Naruto's and he actually spends time with his family, unlike Naruto.
>>290404906>next arc is about chasing a guy to take his bells, it felt like playing ninjasIt was training and Kakashi made it very clear during the activity that in real battle they would have died multiple times
>>290404915Third worlders love Naruto because he's close to their culture, fill up the world with your low iq offspring as you continue to be absent from their lives. Bleach is for first worlders that just have one good kid they do their best to raise right.
>>290404941Narutards once again proving how stupid they are.
>>290404926It was a privilege from the start.
>>290404915All i see is a corporate indictment, in reality naruto had the hots for sakura.
>>290404987I'm not sure about that. Is Guts' beast of darkness a privilege? Naruto's fox used to be more akin to that when first introduced. Also it made people have prejudice against him.
>my garbage is better than your garbage
>>290404958So like I said they were playing around as ninjas, the adult TELLING the kids "you totally would've died" doesn't change what it was, it took itself seriously but it was just one adult playing tag with a bunch of kids and telling the retarded viewer that it's totally dangerous. And then they do go on a real mission and when the femboy has a chance to kill them he doesn't anyway LMAO.
>>290405013>in reality naruto had the hots for sauskeftfy
>>290392481Spotted the wanpisscuck
>>290405031His fox always just gave him power, he didn't go berserk in the first chapter, against Haku or against Gaara.
These are kids shows if you're an adult and have watched any of these shows you need to be tied to a lamp post and repeatedly disembowelled by an immigrant with a machete
>people "hating" BleachMultiple arguments about the story, sales of the manga, anime being killed for a Naruto Spain off, etc>People hating NarutoNarutard garbage human being, killer of animeRaiders from twitter and reddit, you know our shit posting thread was more popular, is Naruto fault /a/ suck
>>290392040Fpbp
>>290392040as OP long standing fanit got really stale
I like both Bleach and One Piece but I didn't give Naruto much of a chance and probably never will since I'm too old to consume an anime of that length among my responsibilities
>>290405088>sales of the manga>an argumentlol
>>290405058You never forget your first kiss.
No way people even narutofans believe Kishimoto's idea of adding aliens, Kaguya and all the 4th nigga war was black zetsu's keikaku was good but somehow they trash its' ending less than anything else
>>290405088>is Naruto fault /a/ suckGOOD MORNING SIR
>>290405162If you like Naruto you're used to eating shit.
>>290405103furthermore, again I like both but both have their issues>One Piece is very repetitive even more than Bleach and does NOT need to be that long at all, it overdoes the scrimblo expression which makes for tonal whiplashes>lots of things in bleach are rushed and unclear but overall I come to realize the nuances of said unclear thing so bleach got better with age
>>290405162naruto peaked at pain arc, i fully admit that whilst thinking naruto > bleach > one piece (never watched it). at that point is when naruto finished his character arc, he became hokage in merit if not actually, and sage mode is far cooler than kyuubi cloak shit. regardless, the war arc was still solid, like a spin off itself, shippuden 2.
>>290404132
>>290394556VoTE1 was also shit.
>>290392040Even nips hate One Piece now
>>290405246>naruto peaked at pain arci agree with you here. the war arc could've been an extra/sequel spinoff yes.even the golden aura kyubi naruto mode feels like something out of dragonball super.
>>290405211Yeah, they're just long running action anime. You don't have to make liking them your personality, both have a truckload of issues but both have plenty of cool and fun moments, it'snot that serious. And you did the right thing in avoiding Naruto, it has no redeeming qualities.
>>290405246It's been over 15 years and narutards are still trying to gaslight people into thinking that loony tunes shitpost tier animation from that awful arc is good.
>>290405246Imagine if Kurama never became good, and Naruto only relied on Sage Mode refusing to recieve chakra from the beast, a beast that would keep tormenting him for his entire life angry at being contained and ignored. A heroic choice of a self-made man who's willing to suffer for what he believes inInstead we got... Jinchuuriki Volleyball
CSMchad here, the Big 3 ranking is objectively:1) Bleach2) Naruto3) POWER GAP4) One Piece
>>290405356>loony tunes shitpost tier animation from THAT arc is good.I kneel, foreshadODA!
>>290405378It seems like you judge a story by how good looking the cast isAs expected of a bleachfagGo watch a fashion show, you don't need plot or writing to be satisfied
>>290405359indresding. i do think its cool that he managed to even talk no jutsu kurama though, so perhaps instead if kurama sacrificed himself for a one-time boost like baryon mode but much earlier. then naruto gets to be self-made man and have regrets over kurama's death despite his mostly evil ways.
>>290405436nu-piece doesn't have a good plot nor writing thoughbeit >we has to stop le ancient ebihl that are king of dar worlddid a freaking 10 year old like this story now?
and it should've ended with the destruction of all tailed beasts, giving peace a chance through equality rather than centralizing power in the ninja villages who have an inherent interest in war.
>>290405444>tripsI kneel> i do think its cool that he managed to even talk no jutsu kurama thoughUnironically, you might like Steven Universe, if you manage to survive the first season where he's still just a dumb kid
>>290405088>Multiple arguments about the storyNot really
>>290405145It's true. Even though it was in 2nd grade under the playground and I had no idea what we were doing. I'll never forget Mrs Thompson.
>>290392005naruto got saved by gracefully ending and leaving boruto in Vjump where it can be safely disregarded same can't be said for delay piece and re:bleach
>>290405246>the war arc was still solidIt has a few good moments, but even when i was reading that shit when it first came out, I felt like it was bad. The "you let rin die" is the most memorable part for me because of how ridiculous it was.
>>290405635>gracefully
>>290405378CSM part 2 ruined the whole series. Literally retconned the story. Such a tragedy.
>>290405246Naruto was only good in part 1, for the simple fact it was ripping off HxH. Once it had to create it's own story, shit fell apart.
>>290405635>gracefullyKek, sure thing, narutard.
>>290405708>Once it had to create it's own story, shit fell apart.So basically everything after the chuunin exams
>>290405708>Naruto was only good in part 1Not even.
>>290405650i see it broadly as "madara fanservice". kind of the same criticism i gave bleach, it was a bunch of cool fights for the sake of spectacle rather than characterization, and in fact it had several character assassinations. but i also said i still liked bleach, so i still liked the war arc. it just didn't do much for the overall story, except make it worse.
should've just had the last sasuke vs naruto fight right after pain, hint at hinata and naruto getting together and the other ships, the end.
i mean, shit... obito was kinda cool... but he wasn't the coolest guy.
Kishi made Samurai Squid which exposed what a horrible writer he is, a decade later made the Minato one shot, which once again showed how boring of a writer he is. Kubo made a 1 shot that got an OVA adaption. Bleach has the high quality TYBW adaptation going on now. Just had the highest rated episode ever drop last week. Teased a Hell Arc and released 1 chapter that was better than anything Kishi's put out since Naruto ended. Yeah, I think it's obvious which is better.
>>290405883Nothing about "Obito" is cool. He was a much better character when he was just some dude in a mask.
>>290405246Pain arc is only good in the context of part 2, it's still has plenty of mediocre writing.
>>290405958Pain arc was only good on first read. Naruto does not hold up well.
>>290405708You are retarded. You could argue Naruto copied certain elements of HxH but structurally and narratively it's completely its own story.
>>290405945yeah, mostly his power was cool. i'm just wondering if it did end after pain arc then we'd be criticizing unresolved plot threads instead
at least we can all agree kaguya and white zetsu bullshit was 1000% unnecessary
>>290406080>structurally and narratively it's completely its own storyOnly after the chuunin exams, which is when it starts going downhill. Also Hunter Exam >>> Chuunin Exams
>>290405681To be fair, you need to have an IQ/EQ of atleast 100 to truly understand and appreciate CSM Part 2
>>290392040This, unironically. Gear 5 is so fucking bad and Wano makes Naruto look like a fucking masterpiece
>>290406095It couldn't end after Pain because there was too many unresolved plot points like you say. Sasuke still needed his forced final battle with Naruto. Kisame and Tobito were still running around. Bee wasn't captured. I feel like Naruto should have gone on hiatus after Pain so Kishi could have fleshed out the final arc. Maybe do a timeskip or something. The war is just a horrible last arc.
>>290406126How is LoW or chunin exam similar narratively or structurally to HxX, retard? And no, it being a tournament arc isn't an argument you dumb faggot
>>290405983It wasn't good at all.
>>290406220Sasuke could have just returned to Konoha.Bee could have been captured off screen.Tobito and Kisame could have waited a couple years before attacking Konoha.There is your second timeskip. Easy.
>>290406258Wow, you make very coherent and concise arguments anon. Very convincing. Anyway, I'll humor you anyway>Sasuke has red eyes and lost his entire clan. Is on a vengeance pathWonder who that sounds like...I will give you LoW, but please. Exam made to challege you to achieve a rank/status that a majority of the population can't obtain(although Naruto later makes chuunin a meme rank). Has multiple test/stages. 1 of the test is a philosophical question that has no "correct" answer and the only right choice is saying nothing. Funny how this was a few panels in HxH but Naruto stretches it out for 1-2 chapters. 1 exam is collecting another person/teams token/scroll to obtain enough points to move on. The tournament arc is the last part of the exam, but it's not a traditional tournament, there is no 1 "winner". Naruto straight ripped off HxH. You're deluded.
Bleach got fucking cancelled.
>>290406397>Sasuke could have just returned to KonohaKishi would have to retcon his stupid vengeance nonsense with Itachi being a good goy, otherwise it makes no sense for Saus to return. We also needed the forced VoTE 2.0 battle.
>>290406529And just dropped the highest rated episode of all time. Bleach won the long game.
Fuckin even there official execs and moderators are retarded that they forgot team 8 and mixed up with team 3
>Whitebeard tatoo>Neji Tatoo>Ichigo's hanguard and fullbring Why does every big 3 manga have a swastika/manju?
>>290406561>Muh imdb ratings saar
>>290406561I don't see any Japanese talking about it.
>>290406563Team 8 was Hinata's team. I don't remember Guy's team ever actually having a designated number in the manga.
>>290406581Well in Naruto's case it was slave tatoo so it's being used in a negative way.
>>290406582>>290406599Cope
>>290405983Even on a first read, it's too childish.>Tsunade has little too much confidence on Naruto learning sage mode in a week despite the fact that Naruto has never learned something so complicated so quickly beforehand and Fukasaku never said he'd learn it quickly>Apparently, Konoha has no more than a dozen of shinobi to defend itself as most leaf nins were escorting civilians rather than battling>Konohamaru somehow being able to do ANYTHING against a Pain path>Everyone but Naruto is fucking useless>An entire chapter dedicated to Hinata and her confession only for her to be nearly die in 3 panels because i guess Konohamaru is more deserving of a shinning moment>4 tails cloak and beyond damaging Naruto is completely forgotten>Nagato reviving everyone completely takes away any challenge and struggle that comes with forgiving him, so Naruto never has to face a father crying because their child's killer got away scot free
>>290406453Jesus christ, didn't know that HxH came up with military tests. Are you for real faggot? Nearly all military tests have a written part, a psychological evaluation, a physical test, a combat simulation. You yourself recognize that Naruto takes what was barely focused on in HxH and drastically expands on it. Again you could argue that some elements were borrowed (although considering how both HxH and Naruto had the same editor that very well might've been his style of doing things), but Naruto takes does a completely different spin on things so narratively and structurally it barely resembles HxH. You are just a dumb retard that doesn't understand what ripping off even means. Kill yourself
>>290404833Zabuza arc didn't even sell that well compared to the shounenslop arcs.
>>290406563>>290406601Calling them team 3 was a thing in the SD spin off.
>>290392005you haven't watched one piece, have you?bleach is the best one because i haven't seen it.
>>290406582>noooo ratings only matter when Naruto is winning>muh manga salesThe hypocrisy of you narutards>>290406599Probably because you're not Japanese. I don't see them talking about Naruto either. Great response.
>>290406668The biggest draw of Naruto isn't even the MC. It's Sasuke and the Uchiha which is a 1-1 ripoff from HxH.
>>290406719Naruto literally ended 15 years ago, retard. Why would they talk about it?
>>290406563I mean who cares lmao.
>>290406668Not reading when all you know how to do is throw insults. You have no argument. Everyone knows Naruto ripped off HxH. It's not a secret. But go ahead and list other manga that had exams and tests since you believe it's such a common troupe that Naruto didn't just rip from HxH. Try to be civilized, i know that seems impossible for you though.
>>290392005I just know this was made by a Bleachfag with inferiority complex
>>290406748You're not very smart, are you?
>>290406739How is Sasuke is a rip off? DId HxH came up with people getting their families murdered and blood feuds as well? HxH doesn't have a single main character who forsake friendship and his newfound family for the purpose of vengeance neither did it have a brother who killed his family and pretended to be a villain because he loved his country and his brother. There's no Madara or Obito or Shisui or any other Uchiha standin in HxH. You guys are fucking dumb as rocks. >They have special eyes and they got genocided. That's 1 to 1 copy!!!! complete imbeciles
>>290406792You're seriously asking too much from him. There's a reason they're called narutards.
>>290406719You do understand how imdb works? Those ratings couldn't be more meaningless
>>290400332I binged all of one piece right before it went on it's first break. As soon as they go to the fishnigger island the story loses it's steam and only briefly picks it up again at Zou. I liked Wano until Oden flashback and started hating it when it was revealed that Luffy's fruit is this legendary fruit. I'm yet to finish egghead. Every post-timeskip arc, besides Zou, has some glaring issues.
>>290406858...do you believe Sasuke needs to be blonde and named Kurapika for it to qualify as a rip off? Lol
>>290406792>didn't read my post>claims I have no arguments>asks me to repeat myselfConcession accepted, retard. Don't respond to me. I will henceforth ignore your barking
>>290406885Ratings are always meaningless.
One Piece is the only one that's gonna age well
>All the narutards posts from the other thread are still aroundGuess the jannies are narutards too.
>>290406910Your seething is really convincing us anon. Goodjob winning your "argument" lol
>>290406965It's just the microdick shitskin samefagging
>>290406908Kurapika is literally a completely different character from Sasuke the only similarity they have is their pursuit of revenge. Kurapika doesn't cast away his friends he doesn't sell his soul to a devil he is yet to come even close to accomplishing his goal the target of his vengeance has no relation to him. Again you see the most superficial of similarities and claim that this is a rip off you are beyond brain dead
>>290406687one piece had its moments but yeah currently it is dog shit but it has been shit a lot longer than it has been good so overall it is below midnta btw and yeah I havent watched Naruto because it looks gay
>>290406638>Tsunade blah blahthey were not at all solely relying on naruto for the defense, that's just how it panned out. naruto learned the rasengan much quicker than anyone else, as well as kage bunshin literally off screen in hours (he can make more clones because of his chakra but learning to use it in the first place was clearly depicted as impressive relative to how shit he was at other ninjutsu). anyway doesn't matter because naruto only started being jesus with everyone's expectations placed upon him AFTER the pain fight.>Apparently blah blahtrue>Konohamaru blah blahtrue>Hinata blah blahtrue>4 tails cloak blah blahit was important character moment, if its the scene i think you mean>Reviving everyone blah blahthis kind of miracle works as a triumphant peak. the issue is its very hard to top and why some say it should've ended there. you can get 1 (one) of those, but too many and you become a mary sue in a steakless story.
>>290406984I really don't think you understand what a rip off is.
>>290406965Bleach fanbase is still traumatised from getting axed. Kek.
>>290407012You retard don't understand what a rip off means. Taking certain elements and viewing them under a completely different lens from a completely different angle is as far from rip off as it goes. Nothing is new under the sun you dumb fucking moron.
>>290407057I don't believe you're convincing anyone, anon. Sorry. You're way too heated over this as well. Chill out.
>>290406888The real redpill is that Marineford was shit.
>the narutard actually believes Kishimoto, author of Samurai Flop, didn't become successful from ripping off HxHKek.
>>290407101I don't fucking care whether I convince mouthbreathers of anything or not. The only thing I care about is showing them their place as intellectually inferior creatures that should not engage in serious discussions and should instead spare the world their presence
>>290407000Nta but I got second hand embarrassment reading your post.
>>290392005Yep.
>>290407159Yes yes, people who believe they are intellectually superior and resort to insipid insults are definitely always smarter than their peers.
HxH retards are the biggest idiots on the planet. Reading a story that will never be finished.
>>290392005Big 3 isn't a thing for 15 years or when did bleach stop releasing new episodes and all long running manga shits it's pants I would say One Piece is worse
>>290407159I can't tell if you're baiting or if you're actually this high off your own farts.
>>290407199>boo hoo he hurt my feelings with bad wordsGrow some thick skin faggot or go die in some piss corner
>>290392005Yes
>>290407219Wan Piece has been the worst since Whole Cake island though there warning signs since Donflamigo's arc.
>Wan pissers are pretending to be HxHfags now.
>>290407238I assure you, you're not hurting anyone's feelings lol
hunterchads always win
>>290407233>HxH sissy accuses anyone of being high off their own fartsHilarious if only you were not a hylic and were capable of grasping the irony of what you are saying>>290407276Given how much you focus on my insults I doubt that is the case, sissy
>>290392005It's Bleach for me, it has the worst fights because all end up following a similar structure thanks to the way the power system works and I didn't care about a lot of the latter half
>>290407303Getting hiatus'd forever when Togashi dies.
>>290403889They did, you just don't like Boruto but like Bleach, Boruto's sister series.
Why is this Narutard having a crash out over HxH?
>>290407127It pissed me off with how it ended but it was fine for the most part. Series peaked at water 7
>>290392005Still bleach, but One Piece is trying very hard.
>>290407310Such a sad pathetic person.
>>290407199>and resort to insipid insultsThe irony...
>>290407000>they were not at all solely relying on naruto for the defense, that's just how it panned out. Ok? That doesn't make it less of a problem that Tsunade is going "it's so fucking over" the moment pain invades because they don't have Naruto at the moment.>Rasengan and shadow clonesThe former took him over a month to learn it and Tsunade is completely unawere of the latter.>this kind of miracle works as a triumphant peakNo, it doesn't.
>>290407383Here's your last (you) if you are so starved of attention
>>290407419It doesn't seem you understand the words you use. ESL?
>>290392005All battle series suck the only good genre in shonen is sports
>>290407442The irony...
>>290407363No, it was bad. He split the strawhats up because the war is supposed to be too much for most of them but then you have Coby and other weaklings just running around like nothing, he brings up Crocodile again and it's forced as fuck because he was surpassed a long time ago and yet he's supposedly gotten stronger by sitting in jail. And at the end of the day, you bring in all these heavy hitter characters but none of them actually end up doing anything. It was bad arc pure and simple, only good parts in it are Garp.
>>290392005No, nuOne piece is worse
This narutard really think we can't see through his falseflagging lmao. Naruto is a shit tier shonen.
>>290407442You finally get that tantrum out of your system? Maybe you can join the adult conversations now, but you're still not capable of discussion with any Hunterchads. Sorry.
>>290392005Bleach still sucks.
>>290407593Sucks at losing.
>>290392005Does bleach have its own pez dispenser at your local grocery store. Noo therefore naruto is far superior.
Naruto is bad. But still better than bleach and current one piece
>>290407528>He split the strawhats up because the war is supposed to be too much for most of themIt was to isolate Luffy from his friends so that there is no one for him (besides Jimbe which was the point of that scene where Luffy says that he still has his friends) when Ace dieshe brings up Crocodile again and it's forced as fuck because he was surpassed a long time ago and yet he's supposedly gotten stronger by sitting in jail.Yeah I hate this too, why is he worth over a billion now anyways, he hasn't done anything>only good parts in it are Garp.That's why I like it a lot, Whitebeard was amazing as well. Ace's depression was great. I wish that Ace died in some other way, the way he died pissed me off so much.
>>290407648Early shippuden and part 1 can never be topped.
gojo who?
>>290407639Trvke.
>Narutards once again proving to be the worst fan base
>>290407667In how shit they are.
>>290407703Nah, thats still bleachfags. You're in a Bleachfag insecurity thread right now.
>>290407639Saaaaaaar
>>290392040trvke
I haven't read OP in years but i doubt it is as bad as you anons are saying
>>290392005Bleach is Jujutsu 0.5, It’s just hype and aura lol
>>290407639Huh omg i so want one.
>>290405378Csm has the worst ending in many many years. Im still seething
>>290407639Just because its marketable doesn’t mean its good look at the latest trends that are dead.
>>290407849This, but the main difference is Bleach just makes shit up as it goes along, so even filler fits in. Whereas JJK has a much tighter system and Narrative to the point if you added filler it'd be obvious and unwelcome.
>>290407666>It was to isolate LuffyBut he still comes in with friends/a crew. It was poorly handled and since then he's done a very good job at handling the strawhats, they've become very one note too. I also remember people praising Luffy for growing during Sabaody because he understood the need for a retreat but then he goes immediately back to how he was and is always all smiles. And like I said, the action in the arc was terrible, you had all these high tier powerful guys and you get no good fights or any notable deaths outside of the very telegraphed Whitebeard and Ace deaths and then Sabo is such a shit character that he makes Ace's death even worse. And the timeskip is just bad in and of itself.
>>290407818interms of the current is not as bad as it was in Fishman Island and Wano arc atleast but it's still pretty mid closer to below mid eventhat's about the fairest rating I can give it without spoiling anything, given the main flaws being how tired and repetitive the story is now, the like of heat and build in the actions making everything feel like a big nothingburger and the amount of tonal whiplash in inappropriate reaction slop
>>290407849Bleach is worse than jjk
>>290407849Jujutsu is also much better than Naruto. As is Demon Slayer. And FMA. And AoT even with that shit ending. And YYH. And of course HxH which Naruto blatantly ripped off almost as much as it ripped off Drsgon ball (also better).
What about db and hxh tho?
>>290407818It's bad, like really bad. Still better than Naruto though.
>>290407977Hxh is the best shonen everBut i tried watching yyh and its okey. Insane plot armor
>>290407967Not one person read or watched jjk only the fights matter.
>>290407751The only annoying posts itt are all narutard ones. Like your's.
Naruto won.
>>290407938>And like I said, the action in the arc was terribleI think that I only liked Luffy vs Lucci from the action perspective (until Luffy vs Katakuri that is). I found one piece action to be really lacking. I too hate Sabo, and the reasoning why he wasn't there is so contrived
>>290407977>Jujutsu is also much better than Naruto.>It is better than the series that it copied off.Make it make sense , thats like saying naruto is better than hunterxhunter even narutards know that statement is not true.
>>290408059>Naruto won.not really.
I really do believe this board would improve over night if all Naruto threads and topics were banned. I know there's only a few of you fucks, but you're straight cancer.
>>290408092thats not hard to make sense of, sometimes the copy is better than the original. not the case for naruto vs hxh tho
JJK is lamer than Naruto because it has Yuta and Maki.
>>290408061Lucci was not in Marineford.
>>290408092Jjk copied bleach. Cope, narutard.
Whats better, jjk, csm or demon slayer?
>>290408128Stop being butt hurt anon
>>290408177I know, it was the only fight I liked so I'm not holding bad fights against marineford when it's a series staple (at least in the anime, for all I know it might have God tier paneling)
>>290408128/a/ was much better when narutards were not welcome here. It's gone to shit ever since they were allowed here.
>>290408232Nah oda's paneling became trash when his rivals Kishi and Kubo left. He was also never as good as them when it came to paneling and a sense of distance.
>>290408232Nah, OP has nice fights but mostly not Luffy fights. In Marineford it just has filler type feel to them where everyone is just fighting at 10%
>>290407990if you ask me, Dragon Ball is great but it should've ended like 3 times before it has tanished its legacy, Super, GT, and Daima are all hot garbage though I have yet to watch Hunter Hunter despite yu yu Hakusho being an all-time favorite of mine, but like Dragon Ball the legacy of that feels tarnished by forcing the series to continue when it should have ended
>>290392005Undoubtedly. Naruto was bad from chapter 1 until the very end.
>>290408061What about Luffy vs Croc 3?>>290408128The Narutofags would just post on other threads.
>>290408136>hey my original product is totally better than the one i copied from.Jjk fags are just as stupid as narutards.
>>290392005That's Bleach and will always be Bleach.Bleach is literally "Potential Manga."
>>290408296>Naruto waspeak
>>290405259what is with the japanese and putting random words in quotations
Are you guys not tired of talking about the same three series for 20 years?
>>290392005I tried Naruto back in the day but dropped it after like 12 episode. The main character is insufferable and his voice is ear cancer.
>>290407639Because its good it sells its great like dragon ball it is house hold name every one knows.>dey all gay because of that gay ass show dey watch called naruto.
>>290408376>got folded faster thanis this a very old meme compilation?they got folded by literally... God. The biblical One.
>>290408386Peak shit.
>>290408329Honestly I don't remember, I'll have to rewatch it. I liked how Luffy used his blood in that fight
>>290392005Bleach>One Piece>Transruto.
>>290392040Fippity Bippity
>>290404414nta but yes? Many Bleach characters just showed up in one chapter, had a fight, and gone forever. They don't add anything to the story.
>>290407977>People explained why its better than Bleach>Bleachfag can only name callKek
Naruto pre-timeskip > OP pre-timeskip > Naruto (Pain Arc) > Bleach > OP post-timeskip >>>>> Naruto post-Pain ArcNobody has ever shat the bed as hard as Kishimoto did for the last ~120 chapters of Naruto
>>290408718is the explanation in the room with us right now
>>290408741Pre pain timeskip Naruto is also bad.
wait I just noticed there was no Bleach storytime on this boardthere is no way
>>290408376>Valid criticismThat cap was literally in response to Rukia shipfag.
>>290408771Yes, but there is a massive further drop in quality between pre-Pain and post-Pain, which goes to show how truly awful the war arc was
>>290404106Naruto plot is stupid but it's fun.Bleach is fun until Aizan. After that I don't know what was Kubo trying to tell, it's just bunch people fighting forever.
>>290408411Surely you didn't watch the dub, right?
>>290409002nta his voice was also grating in the sub and he still comes off as a douche
>>290409002No, of course not. I forgot these zoomers are dub apologists.
>>290408903But the Pain arc is awful.
>>290409087I honestly haven't watched Naruto in years and don't remember what he sounds like, but i do remember the dub voice being horrible. Bad enough that i still remember it being horrible to this day. Believe it!
>Boruto is still around so resources are probably going to be wasted on that shit>CC2 has abandoned licensed anime games for their furslop and won't be back till they're out of money (plus they half assed Storm Connections)>Kishimoto barely gives a shit about Naruto>Ikemoto refuses to be competent>Kishimoto's editors are nowhere to be foundHard to be excited for this roadmap
>>290409209I forgot again>Any game not made by CC2 or Arc System is going to be ugly shovelware not even worth pirating>Nishio is still around Yamamuro-ifying the series' art direction>the chinese game that's somehow the most profitble thing in the entire franchise is still regionlocked to china and it still looks like a flash web game even though it's popular enough to get a remake
>>290407849Bleach is a YYH spirit detective arc ripoff but worse
>>290409258Araki called it a Saint Seiya doujin
>>290407889I genuinely expect to see people saying it's a great ending 10 years from now
>>290409133He sounds like a retard in japanese too and his voice actress has a high pitched voice and she shouts a lot.
>>290409325If narutards can simp for their shit ending, if AoTfags still rate the final season high even after the mangaka publically apologized for the manga ending, then csm fans can pretend to like their ending too.
>>290392005Better then other stuff, are bleach tards so mentally broken that want to make bleach look good by saying "this other anime is better".Kind reminder.>big 3 is a special term.>made for the biggeat sellers dragon ball, one piece, naruto.>there won't be others.>bleach is more known for producing kusoge, nicknamed the 7 capital sins with last game representing greed.
>>290408213kny is different from other shonen, It's closer to fma desu.
>>290392040
>>290408376kek saved
Fuck all of you retards, this is why reddit is a better place to discuss anime. Pro tip Naruto is the single most big anime in the world, One Piss is only big in tiny ass Japan and Chlorox was never on their level. Seethe, cope and dilate.
>>290408109>I'M A GOOFY GOOBER YEAH
>>290409499Maybe in length.
>>290409617even if you wanna make this argument, dragon ball is bigger
>>290409977For boomers. Ages 15-40 it's Naruto.
>>290410041maybe 20-40, zoomers dont give a shit about naruto
>>290392005Doesn't matter Gintama is better than all of them
>>290400215Rock Lee spin-off had higher ratings than late-era Bleach
>>290410154rock lee was easily a better character than anyone from bleach
>>290410098Most zoomers are in their 20s..
>>290404550>Naruto's "war" is like 1/3 of the mangaThe same goes for TYBW though, which is actually longer than the Naruto war arc
>>290393190Bleach seem to be made by that american jew JJ something.Feel like a bunch of mystery boxes one after another with nothing to back them un in the narrative itself.
>>290404086Don't compare Bleach to KINO HeartsBleach never reached the peak of KINO Hearts II Final Mix
>>290410328this honestly describes one piece if anything I can name a LOT more mystery boxes in one piece
>>290404342>Bleach's characters are far more interesting than Naruto's and much less gay.Bleach's characters look like yaoiIt's fujoshit, which is why Hitsugaya was the most popular character
>>290404392>it became even more popular than it was during marine fordlmao no
>>290410688momentarily it did for the wano anime but it nosedive and havent recovered to get half of that high again
I've heard Samurai 8 is bad but I've never read it. But it always seems like such a non-sequitur to bring it up when talking about Naruto and Kishi. Like so what? What does that have to do with Naruto? What does it prove? Nothing really.
>>290403889Boruto has multiple movie quality episodes, you disingenuous retard.Male bunny God vs Naruto and Sauce is animated better than anything in Bleach, including this, still.
apparently bleach is on top in terms of current relevancy
>>290392040fpbp
>>290404092Anon I've been here since 2004 and read nardo and blech weekly and you're delusional. Bleach was always made fun of here and on gamefaqs. The new episode was great yeah, but doesn't change the past. Anyone can fix an ending if given TEN FUCKING YEARS
>>290410784yeah i refuse to watch boruto but it has a couple good fights with the dads that i watched and they were great
thats something we have yet to touch upon. naruto has by far the best fight choreography. it goes way beyond the big three, its at least in the top 5 of all anime in that regard
WorstArt>One PieceCharacter Development>BleachWorldbuilding>NarutoMain Villain>One PieceRivals to MC as in their rivalness not character >One PieceBasic premise>Bleach its fucking exorcistslop like ShitsawmanWriting>All 3 have very awful writing
>>290410816>Bleach was always made fun of hereYeah and so was Naruto and One Piece, since they were part of the big 3. But Naruto especially was considered the shitty entry level anime and looked down upon, One Piece was treated like a holy cow by OP fans at the time, and Bleach was somewhere in the middle on the love/hate scale, Kubo as an author being more popular than the manga itself.>gamefaqsWho cares? Go back.
>>290410751If Kishi kept it fantasy and eased up on the scifi it would be less cringd. The power system is literally called gravity
Yes.It is objectively the worst.I have no idea how mfs get through Shippuden. Especially with that last arc.
>>290392040Wan Piss has been Boruto tier for over 10 years now
>>290410944i did actually stop watching it weekly during infinite filleromi, but then caught up later. sunk cost fallacy i guess
>>290405883Yeah, it was a mistranslationNaruto said that the Obito who tried to be Hokage was the best, not the one who got obsessed with revengeBut the shit translation omitted the context
>>290404544Hunter x Hunter ended when Gon met his dad at the tree. Everything after is bonus content
>>290404651>Naruto ending was okay ishowspeedNaruto fell off a cliff after Pain died. The Madara part of the series is by far the dumbest part
>>290405958>>290405983It was just Jiraiyasimps and Anti-Uchiha autist who hyped this boring ass arcThe war arc was honestly more entertainingLet's face it, the Uchiha with their eye haxx bullshit, Sasuke being an edgelord, Itachi mary sue, Orochimaru/Kabuto, Madara etc. were just more interesting than a filler-tier evil OC version of Naruto(Pain)Hidan and Kakuzu was the best arc in Part 2
>>290411128I have never seen so much bad taste confined into one post.
>>290411128Pain is ruined on the rewatch while the War arc gets better (skipping the filler).
>>290411364>Pain is ruined on the rewatchThis is just new age revisionism that I've literally only seen started up after the autistic daily threads that have been going on here.
>>290411364Even if the ending sucked shit, Pain had far and away the most realistic and understandable goal of any Naruto villain. He actually called out Naruto on his naive idealism and was ultimately proven right given the way peace was ultimately achieved at the end of the series.
This nigga Kishimoto really added some aliens out of nowhere to a fantasy series. In addition to that shit with Naruto and Hinata.Got to be the most ass mangaka here.
>>290410793Bleachtard
>>290410793Bleachchad
>>290410656>Bleach's characters look like yaoiYou sound like you're a subject matter expert on this, eh?
>>290410751It proves Kishi is a terrible writer and was hard carried by his editors in Naruto.
>>290410784Imagine watching Boruto
>>290410910Naruto beats bleach in world building.
>>290411128>Hidan and Kakuzu was the best arc in Part 2You almost had me until this
>>290392040BRVTAL truth nuke
>>290408376kekaroo
>>290409395Junko Takeuchi doesn't have a particularly high pitched voiceShe does a great job as NarutoNot her fault the character is annoying, she works with what she has
>>290408741Kek what a bunch of bullshitEven the shitty Naruto war arc is more interesting than anything in Bleach post-SS, especially boring shit like FKT, Fullbring and TYBW
>>290409309He called it a Masami Kurumada doujin specifically
>>290410258The TYBW is not longer than the Arrancar saga and shit actually happens in it though. It's not like Naruto fighting non-human plant men and reanimations of old villains. The Quincies are fighting a real war with real lives and they're actually killing each other.
>>290412118If you like shit, sure.
>>290392005It's still One Piece. Japanese have shit taste as usual.
>>290411425Yeah, that shit is awful on the first watch.
>>290392005Why are bleachtards so insecure about Naruto?
>>290411109>Naruto fell off a cliff after Pain died.Pain arc was boring shit hyped by Jiraiyafags and Anti-Uchiha autistsWar arc was more funHidan Kakuzu arc was Naruto part 2 peak
kid naruto was amazing, shippuden not so. the whole thing about chasing sasuke was ridiculous.
>>290412653Why are narutards so insecure about One Piece? You're closer to Bleach than you are to One Piece.
>>290404941Bleach's legacy is an amazing anime adaptation that is fixing every qualm fans had with the finale.Naruto's legacy is Boruturd.
>>290392005Naruto is the best in terms of story and world building but has a one of the worst endings in any form of media ever.Bleach was always style over substance, when it tries to have substance it fails miserably but is still the coolest looking.One piece is able to connect past events to current ones in interesting ways but the entire story is all over the place and oda keeps adding questions instead of solving what's already there.One piece is by far the worst in story, character designs, cool moments etc.
>>290405083>t. Seinensissy who probably watches shit like K-On
>>290392005
>>290412745Narutos story is dogshit
>>290412745Naruto fails in the execution of it's worldbuilding, it had potential but went to shit.
>>290405496You will never be a woman btw, and that's NOT okay!
>>290407990Dragon Ball is just the GOAT. It is above all this debate. There's no arguing with it's status.
>>290408904>W-why are they fighting in a battle shounen? This triggers my trauma!!Are you even a man? I bet you've never been in a fight, faggot
>DUDE EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND THE FIRE COUNTRYPeak worldbuilding
>>290412732>kid naruto was amazingSure, if you're a retard.
>>290412789Bleach and One Piece isn't on TV TOKYO, you idiot
>>290413008>Dude everything revolves around Soul Society in Japan!>Dude everything revolves around JoyBoy!HxH might be the only that doesn't fall into this trap. Too bad it has garbage fans instead.
>>290410205Rock Lee is a cuck who accomplished nothing except for making his own fanbase hate their writer even more. The closest Bleach came to discarding someone like that is fucking Chad lol
>>290413012well, obviously. it's anime for kids after all.
>>290413040Bleach is fucking TV Tokyo actually.
>>290412745How the fuck are things like Tosen's story "failing miserably" at substance? Explain without just saying "it's bad because I say so" (you won't)
>>290411548>He actually called out Naruto on his naive idealism and was ultimately proven right given the way peace was ultimately achieved at the end of the series.That doesn't make Pain a good villain or even a good characterPain was fucking boring and nobody gives a fuck about Naruto or his idealismHidan otoh was a good villain because he was fun, entertaining and had an interesting power that added to the world of Naruto
Bleach, OP and Naruto are all for children. HxH is also for children. M/a/nchildren need to stop pretending they are better than the others.
>>290413052atleast soul society makes sense since the show is about souls so ofc it would be central while joyboy reduces the world itself to revolve around him being a series about searching the entire world for a treasure
>>290413053>Rock Lee is a cuck who accomplished nothingHis dream was to become a ninja even if he can only use hand combat. he's a jonin (上忍) at the end and thus accomplished his dream.
>>290412120It wasIt was the most fun partHidan is the most entertaining character in the series
>>290413052>Too bad it has garbage fansBut enough about Naruto
>>290412873Didn't said otherwise.
>>290392005I have to agree overall.I'd say that Naruto's peak (the first arc) is perhaps even marginally higher than the peaks of the other two, but the absolute nosedive it takes after that brings it down even lower than the worst of the worst from the other two, making it a genuine contender on the list of the worst fictional works of all time. You could derive some enjoyment from even the worst bits of part 1, but there is genuinely nothing worth experiencing after the timeskip.
>>290413052One Piece has a global political organization so a centralized worldbuilding makes sense
>>290413052I usually enjoy the HxH threads on here more than Naruto or Bleach. If we went by thread quality HxH > Bleach >>>>> Naruto. But the former both have new material so that's not really fair comparison. Guess there is Boruto lmao
>>290412604>The TYBW is not longer than the Arrancar arcI guess if you count FKT and Deicide as being part of the Arrancar arcFor me I always count the Vizard arc and Hueco Mundo as Arrancar arc and FKT and Deicide as its own thingEven still I prefer those reanimations of old villains over the fail-ritters
>>290413112Character arcs in bleach have little to no impact on the story.Had to look up who tonsen is to even remember this nigga.
I see bleach fags need to be anally raped again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbBgrSUPUH0&t=1235s
>>290413126Pain is Kishis take on the reality of ninjas affecting non ninjas. I mean seriously imagine your country being used as a battleground for superhumans.
>>290413175You're funny anon. Hidan is barely a character long enough to care about, also had the most boring design in Akatuski.
HxH won
>>290413324I don't care
>>290413271If anything Not killing Luffy when he first became a pirate made the centralized worldbuilding make less fucking sense.
>>290413320Goddamn fucking jewtubehttps://youtu.be/LbBgrSUPUH0?t=1233let's see if this works and the indian programmers haven't ruined yet another fucking feature
>>290413425oh wow, they didn't add the retarded tracker eithera genuine improvement
>DUDE A FUCKING EQUATORIAL BELT A MERE 10% OF THE SURFACE OF THE PLANET IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE FOUR BIG ASS OCEANS
>>290413465now nowno one ever said one piece's worldbuilding made any sense
>UM BRO THERES LESS PIRACY IN THESE CONTINENT DWARFING BLUES THAN IN THE TINY EQUATORIAL BELT. DID I MENTION THERE ARE GORILLIONS OF ISLANDS IN THE BLUES TOO
>>290413482This one idiot did.>>290413271But once the god fruit came into play OP world building made less sense than Naruto's or Bleach's.Let's not even compare it to HxH.
>>290413549HxH doesn't make any sense either
>>290413333Yet he's still the most memorable Akatsuki outside of maybe ItachiHe was funAfter boring garbage like Sasori and an underwhelming Orochimaru retread where Naruto does fucking nothing but sperg out and lose control of kyuubi the Hidan and Kakuzu arc was actually fucking entertainingEspecially in the anime where you had that shitty filler arc inbetweenThen the Pain arc started and it was back to boredomAnd no I didn't give a fuck about Jiraiya dying and I thought him dying to some random fucking boring goober like Pain who just got introduced felt pretty damn unsatisfying thematically because Kishi didn't really build this up for a long time so he just gave us some asspull flashbacks about how Jiraiya knew Nagato in the past, so it was impossible to get emotionally invested because it felt so forced
>>290413425That's such a retarded argument. You can boil one piece down in a similar way.>crew docks at the island>there is a big bad that oppress the people of the isand>they meet some local that feeds Luffy (preferably a princess or a girl)>Luffy beats the big bad guy
>>290413549The Nika crap only seems to matter to extinct Void Century nations
>>290413591>Yet he's still the most memorable Akatsuki outside of maybe ItachiLmao. No. Kishi couldn't even come up with a lame excuse to bring him back for the war, and let's be honest, he would have if he wanted to. Besides Zetsu, Hidan is the most forgettable.
>>290392040He’s right you know
>>290413591>He's still the most memorable Akatsuki outside of maybe ItachiPeople remember Sasori, Deidara, and Tobi more. You can have Hidan as your favorite character but there is no way anyone actually thinks this.
>>290413602Yes. One Piece, if you haven't noticed, is also a bloated piece of shit
>>290413637Too bad Oda doubled down on it with Elbaf and more God fruits and Gods existing.
>>290392005The Big 3 was always a retarded western concept. One Piece dwarfs the other two in terms of sales and cultural impact. If you asked any Japanese person about the "Big 3", they'd say what the fuck are you talking about.
>>290413591>Pain who just got introducedHe was introduced at the end of Part 1? Hidan was a literal who until his arc and dies quickly. Sasori was more interesting and at least had a connection to the village the MC was going to, Deidara is also more fun the Hidan easily. You're definitely a minority in this.
>>290413705>One Piece dwarfs the other two in terms of sales and cultural impact.Only on opposite dayIn reality, Naruto dwarfs Wan Piss
Seeing narutards meltdown is pretty hilarious. Never stop, you crazy bastards, your tears soothe me.
>>290413333>barely a characterApplies to the entire nardo cast.
>>290413705One Piece was close to Naruto pre Strong World
>>290413639Lmao yesHidan was immortal dumbass, that's why he couldn't come backHe was a minor villain sure, but there is nothing wrong with that >>290413667Deidara was straight trashSasori forgettable, people only remember him as Sakura's one good fight but they don't remember his personalityObito was mid as fuck and didn't quite live up to the hype that was hinted since Kakashi hinted at him early on in the series>He was introduced at the end of Part 1?He was introduced way later than thatChapter 372And he was a nothing boring characterAsspull flashbacksHidan was far more interesting because he was so separate from all the other AkatsuiFace itNagato/Pain was shit-tierIt was a bad choice to have him kill JiraiyaIt would have been better thematically if Sasuke killed Jiraiya instead, that would have actually directly challenge Naruto's resolve in saving Sasuke and forgiving himBut I doubt Kishi would have been able to pull that off
>>290414170>Hidan was immortal dumbassMaybe you should read slower. I told you Kishi would have found some excuse to bring him back if he really wanted to. Same applies to Konan. You're coping.
>>290392005The real hard truth that narutards have to deal with isn't just that it's the worst of the big 3, but it's worse than 666 Satan, too.
Naruto basic premise is so extraordinary simple that is hard to look past it and see the themes of the show.Naruto wants to be hokage and save Sasuke while Sasuke wants revenge for his family, that's what the entire naruto series revolves around but everything that happens inbetween makes the ninja world become much more complex with tons of political themes, how the nations deal with international unbalances of power and when you ignore sasuke and Naruto gay drama Naruto becomes much more deep than anyone thinks but still has the worst ending in anime history that craps over everything and makes it about aliens.Bleach had a simple premise too, ichigo wants to protect the people he cares about but unlike Naruto we don't see a real reason why, he simply is like that, then ss, hm makes an attempt of creating a world rules by these spiritual powers but ultimately it fails to develop them in a meaningful way making guys like aizen just be mad at the soul king for no reason and ywach just be a nazi allegory.One piece like naruto has tons of political themes that give the illusion of a overarching plot where powers are colliding but in reality the political powers in one piece have no real depth and are just bad because they can, every arc becomes the same where a island is being oppressed by the current bad and it fails to expand on how the powers affect eachother, only how they affect the people for luffy to protect.
>>290414170>He was introduced way later than that>Chapter 372He is introduced as the leader of Akatuski (before the obito/madara/zetsu nonsense) at the end of Part 1. He was also shown and known to be the leader. Just because we didn't see his entire design doesn't mean his character wasn't already introduced. We knew about him at the end of part 1. Hidan is very lame btw.
>>290413591>And no I didn't give a fuck about Jiraiya dying and I thought him dying to some random fucking boring goober like Pain who just got introduced felt pretty damn unsatisfyingPain was built up the moment Itachi showed up to the Hidden Leaf Village wearing that Akatsuki cloak
>>290413782>Hidan was a literal who until his arc and dies quicklyHidan didn't dieHence why he wasn't reanimated in the war arc dumbassA major part of the appeal of Hidan is his weird immortal powers bestowed to him upon by Jashin-samaThe fact that Hidan was still alive by then despite supposedly being trapped by Shikamaru underground indicates that Hidan made a shitload of sacrifices to Jashin
>>290414449Hidan is the lamest member and I have to believe you're just trolling. He wasn't brought back for the war because he wasn't popular and Kishi didn't care about him.
>>290413126>nobody gives a fuck about Naruto or his idealismThe entire series revolves around his idealism moron
Why do Narutards only use insults for their "arguments"?
>>290414514None of the Akatsuki that were brought back for the war did anything except soloking.
>>290414570That's all the edo tensei in general, so what?
>>290414286The whole point of the arc was bringing back dead charactersThat's why Kakuzu was brought back, but Hidan wasn't
>>290414339Silhouettes mean jackshitKishi probably didn't plan that far aheadOnly Obito was hinted at loosely early on in the series
>>290414674Okay anon. You continue with your cope and love for the lamest Akatuski member.
>>290414568Because they're dumb as shit and frustrated.
>>290414514He is the most fun Akatsuki, copeI like that he doesn't give a fuck about the main plot and is just a merc
>>290414726Yeah bro fucking boring ass Kakuzu was more entertaining than Hidan... said nobody fucking everGrow a dick, you estrogen-filled bitch
>>290413324Pain wants a monopoly on Ninja Nukes so that he can stop imperialism from fucking up the world. It's not too different from what happens at the end of the series where peace is established because none of the other nations can really fight Naruto & Sasuke.
>>290414756>number of anons you've convinced: 0It's fine he's your favorite. You don't need to convince anyone, since you're wrong. Keep it to yourself.
>>290413705Japs don't even like Naruto and Bleach. The fact One Piece has more relevance there says alot.
>>290414800>Yeah bro fucking boring ass Kakuzu was more entertaining than HidanYep. Hidan jobbed to fucking Shikamaru wank of all things. That's the lamest thing to job to in the manga lol
>>290414742Does appear so. I can never tell if I'm talking to a brown person, teenager or genuine retard when they try having arguments.
>>290411425Pain was criticized in the first storytime too.Not as much but it was there.
>>290414985AWOOOOOOOOOOOGA
>>290415009Pain is by far the most loved part of the series and you're just a mentally ill retard now projecting not only in those threads for years of your life, but now bleach threads too. Kys. Stfu. You literally do not matter and you aren't creating a narrative by samefagging on a basket weaving forum, to yourself, and to Indians.
>>290414963>D-SHART
>>290415084You narutards have spent half of your lives trying to gaslight people into believing that shit character and his arc were good, but it isn't working, it's just you brainless morons that believe this.
>>290415084That's not an appropriate response to a post effectively saying "people did that back then too" lmao.
>>290414942What arguments are you struggling to follow?
>>290406638Nobody refuted this
>>290415084sorry bud, the arc was complete retardation from start to finishESPECIALLY the finish
>>290415188Nobody can, it's a dogshit arc.
>>290415202The finish is a straight up shitpost.
You know the thread is past bump limit, right? You can stop spamming your slop
>>290414514Hidan should have blitzed Shikamaru as every Akatsuki is kage tier
>>290414819What even caused those stupid ninja world wars to begin with?
>>290415434Fucking Narutards don't understand this.
my baka
>>290406638>TsunadeNaruto can have his savant moments and quickly pick up on things when he needs to, not an unrealistic expectation>Konoha has no more than a dozen shinobiPain struck when they were particularly vulnerable, that adds tension to the arc. Also doubt most people would be reasonably prepared to fight a Rinnegan user, even with the intel Jiraya gathered. >KonohamaruSure>Everyone but Naruto is uselessKakashi held his own fairly well vs Pain & Tsunade spent a ton of energy trying to keep the village alive. Again, they're fighting what is essentially a god. >HinataThe only problem with this scene is there's virtually no time with her between the Chunin Exams and this moment >4 tails cloak and beyond damaging Naruto is completely forgottenDoesn't Sage Mode help with this? >Nagato reviving everyone completely takes away any challenge and struggle that comes with forgiving him, so Naruto never has to face a father crying because their child's killer got away scot freeYeah, it sucks and take away a lot of the arc's impact
>>290415810>Naruto can have his savant moments and quickly pick up on things when he needs to, not an unrealistic expectationIt's unrealistic because it doesn't even line up with what Tsunade has seen of Naruto.Hell, had it not been for Danzo Naruto would return WITHOUT sage mode and shit was gonna blow in Tsunade's face.>Pain struck when they were particularly vulnerable, that adds tension to the arc.This was never implied.>Doesn't Sage Mode help with this?No. Sage mode has no healing factor.
>Narutards getting shit onAll was right on /a/ for once
>>290392040NOOOOOOOOOOOO WARM PISS XISTERS, WE WERE PRETENDING TO BE BLEACHFAGS TO BTFO THE NARUTOFAGS BUT WE GOT BTFO'D BY FPBP AND NOW EVERYONES LAUGHING AT USAAAAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
