were they gay? or was it an intense bromance?
>>290443009Reinhard was transparently in love with Kircheis, Kircheis was transparently in love with Reinhard's sister
>>290443009I will try not to be angry at you because it is the overlords and their relentless social engineering that broke everyone's brains with faggotry to the point that the most wholesome love of all, straight male friendship, is indecipherable to many. It could not be more obvious that they are not gay. Surface level, below the surface level, in the esoteric symbolism of dreams; not gay.
Intimacy and sexuality being equated has done immense damage to human relationships.
>>290443009Obviously not gay.>>290443274Reinhard fucked a woman. Not gay.>>290443353Based and sensible.
>>290443009Is OP a faggot? Is OP a faggot?
>>290443353this is what i thought all along. but trannies kept repeating theyre gay so much i ALMOST believed it
>>290443009>were they gay?No. Reinhardt's crippling autism meant that thoughts of pussy and/or pussy [male] were basically entirely absent from his life until some fell into his lap when he was at his lowest point and for his part Kircheis was blatantly in love with Annerose and vice versa.>or was it an intense bromance?Among other things. Kircheis was the most important person in Reinhardt's life both professionally and personally; on the professional side he was at least as competent as any of the other admirals while being trusted without reservation and personally he was the only person that Reinhardt ever loved aside from Annerose and maybe Hilda.
If Kircheis was gay why didn't he have sex with that crossdressing prostitute who tried to solicit him while he was at that space station? As for Reinhard, well, if he wanted to make a move he could have frankly. But he didn't.
>>290443009They weren’t gay, but it was written in such a way where they intentionally made it so that you could interpret it as gay because Reinhard is directly based off of Alexander the Great.
>>290443634Reinchad doesnt do autism
>>290443734hes BASED..off Napoleon, Frederick, and Kurt Russell from The Thing. Alexander didnt have the makings of a varsity Reinhardo
>>290443425It's because in the modern era sex and relationships in general are treated as casual affairs because putting your full trust in someone nowadays is just asking to be backstabbed>>290443634>he was at least as competent as any of the other admiralsHe was literally the best admiral on the Empire side and out maneuvered Yang Wenli, which Reinhard couldn't do. Oberstein also was capable of that, but unlike Siegfried he didn't have the rank to actually do it.Even Reinhard wanted to focus on politics and leave the military to Siegfried had he lived and he says as much.
Reinhardt would never spill his male essence carelessly or pointlessly. That is why he is king of the galaxy and we watch cartoons.
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>>290443836Who wins a 3-way between Oberstein Kircheis and Yang?
>>290443999Assuming complete equal footing, probably Siegfried.Oberstein might pull ahead if political scheming was an option.Yang is good but Siegfried, Oberstein, and Hildegard were all able to predict him pretty well and see through his tactics to a degree. They would each have been able for force surrenders since Yang is simply not fit for military command and would bend to things like hostage scenarios. Hildegard especially is underrated when it comes to military tactics, you can't forget she saved Reinhard and could intuitively sense that Reunthal would be trouble some day
>>290443817The little kid poisoning him is 100% an Alexander the Great thing.
>>290443999Fleet Combat: KircheisJew Hunting: ObersteinDegeneracy: Yang
>>290444132why would Kircheis be better than Reinhard tho. Reinhard did better on virtually all military tests, kircheis was only better at hand to hand combat and marksmanship
>>290444134pretty sure thats from Shakespeare
>>290444728>why would Kircheis be better than Reinhard thoThat's how it is presented in the show.
Oberstein was a patriot
>>290444790He ended the Imperial Civil War is what he did. He was a brave Admiral who gave his life for the Kaiser. In this house, Paul von Oberstein is a hero. End of story.
>>290444760>everyones better than Reinhardim MAD. they said hes better than Kircheis in gaiden, i want it to be so too
>>290444949Reinhard is the best out of Mittermeyer/Reunthal/Reinhard. He's great but he's still ultimately second class.
>>290443009Intense bromance.The way Reinhard wistfully talked about the most mundane topics in front of Kircheis made him look gay though. He was needlessly dramatic.
>>290444857He answered the space JQ and united the factions to end them once and for all. I had my doubts about him but he turned out to be the guy in the clutch.
>>290445299I never doubted.
I realized how awesome this show really is when I was pondering the events of Butler, PA, and just then came across the episode where the space jews explain how they fake an assassination attempt to increase the popularity of a leader they are puppeting.
>>290445356We are in a FPA situation for sure. The west, collectively is so corrupt and pervaded by 5th columnists that there isn't much that can be done. We need a Reinhard, or even a Rudolf.Everyone knows that there is two tier justice all throughout the West
>>290443009The homolust was real
>>290445399Rudolf for sure; Reinhard just doesn't have the guts to enact the eugenics that humanity needs to survive.
>>290445732Eugenics is best when it is encouraged but not mandated. So I disagree.On a macro level genes matter, on a personal level they don't.
>>290445399The difference is that the people on the nationalist side don’t actually believe in nationalism and instead are just nihilists working for a paycheck.
>>290443009The latter. Based Reinhard was always in love with his sister.
>>290445934Instead of the PKC slot in BLM, antifa, or any other similar group and it's the same shit.There are true believers, there are 5th columnists who just want to make their host nations (and peoples) weaker, and there are mercenaries. There is basically no legitimate politician right now
>>290445399We're so fucked. We aren't even a based kingdom fallen on weal kings, we are the degenerate multiracial democracy but with no Yang and co. And there isn't even a based white monarchy out there we could hope to conquer us.
This thread is glowing lmao
>>290443009Honestly I don't think Reinhard ever had a single sexual thought before his sudden awakening a few weeks before proposing to HildaKircheis was a total bro for life but was deeply in love with Reinhard's sister. Reinhard had grown up as extremely dependent upon his sister and after she disappeared pretty much let Kircheis take much the same place that she had taken, herself having taken a substitute mother and even father role (since their actual father was a worthless drunk)
>>290443009You're watching Gaylactating Faggots from Outer Space, take a wild guess.
>>290446457Yeah, Reinhardt was in the world but not of the world. But somehow he knew in his bones that he needed an heir, quick, and Hilda was a eugenic choice.
>>290443009It's guy love
>>290443009If he's based on Hitler like /a/ likes to claim, Reinhard is 100% gay and Kircheis is his Ernst Rohm/Steiner
>>290446782I don't think he is based on Hitler. And anyway, by all accounts, the big H did not approve of Rohm being a homo, he tolerated it while he was useful and then allowed him to be disposed of. Kircheis was truly close to Reinhardt and is very openly devoted to Annerose. The paralels just aren't there outside of German sounding names.
>>290446920Hitler killed Rohm to cover up their relationship, and he killed himself when Steiner told him he wasn't interested in 1945.
>>290446727hilda just needed more chimp ass
>>290446942That's quite some speculation, but I wouldn't put anything past the fucking bozos we get for leaders, haven't seen any Reinhardts lately.
>>290447320reinhards get filtered nowadays
Everything is gay including (You).
>>290446782I've never seen anybody make that claim, and if they did make that claim they're a retard. If they wanted to pull a gay german with a significant other who was killed card Frederick the Great is right there and was actually Prussian like the Empire's aesthetic matches.
>>290443274This is how it reads in the show.>>290443009It's queerbaiting, bog-standard for the 90s, same as Kaworu/Shinji in NGE. I'm not woke enough for that to upset me but let's call a spade a spade.>>290444134This aspect has always interested me, it mirrors the Bruce Ashby thing being left uncertain in the Gaiden which, if you watch the show in chronological order, acts like bookends to the historiographical theme in the show. Does anyone have theories on who Emil was acting as a proxy for? Do yo think Emil knew he was poisoning Reinhard?Also, separate question, I'm not clear on what Reinhard's disease was. Was it space cancer or space Ehlers-Danlos syndrome? A genetic 'collagenosis' or whatever the word was, sounds like connective tissue disease but I've seen it rendered as cancer
>>290445024love this picture. these moments in logh are epic
>>290443009>you can't be friends with someone without wanting to fuck themYou need to actually kill yourself.
>>290443353i wholeheartedly agree, some dudes are romantic mfs and beuty comes in all kinds of packages. Platonic love among dudes is very possible as much as another dudes essence generating some sort of inspiration spark be it because of some lack thats being supplemented or because of admiration of what is past the being. Had a homie whom i felt the same way about just a beutiful mf
>>290443009Reinhard was gay. Very gay, in fact. Kircheis wanted to fuck Reinhard’s sister. And Yang just wanted to grill for gods sake.
>homophobic Logh threadAre we being raided or something, where did you hetshits come from
For me Annerose is like the green knight's wife. She's not a character she's merely the useful pretext and device Kircheis and Reinhard use to caress each other's hair at night in the tank stuck in a snow storm in the middle of the battlefield. "It's not gay it's my sister's future husband". "It's not gay it's my future wife's brother".Pretty sure even Reinhard even posits at some point that he would still have reached for the stars if Annerose hadn't been kidnapped by some fat old bastard.
>>290450238Do you often touch your friend's hair and tell them their eyes are like stars anon
>>290450765Bro you don’t understand, if you don’t carry around a clump of your homies hair in a locket and act like a widow because he’s dead then you’re not straight.
>>290450795*close my locket and sigh deeply* I see, that makes sense. I think I'll order my ship to be decomissioned and moored next to my bro's decomissioned ship after I die, just so people know we were straight.
>>290445984The PKC are fascist nationalist coded objectively. Yang Wenli is Libleft and someone like Schonkopf is AuthLeft considering the fact that he’s fine with dictatorship.
>>290446782Reinhard isn’t based on any person solo. He’s based on the idea of what the best possible case scenario of a monarch looks like.Like the entire thesis statement of the show is “yes, this dude seems great, and life under him would probably be great, but what comes after him will inevitably be worse.” The show lays it out like this in order from best to worst>benevolent autocracy>benevolent democracy>corrupt democracy>corrupt autocracyYang fights the benevolent autocracy because he knows it will inevitably become a corrupt autocracy and that a corrupt democracy is objectively preferable to that.
>>290449191I think Emil was a dirty phezzani asset planted there because he looked like Kircheis. I love the moment where Yang Wenli and Reinhard meet up for the first time, because Yang gives the kid a look when he gets handed the glass of coffee, and Yang doesn’t drink it. What’s great is that it could be Yang just not liking coffee, because he doesn’t, or it could be him sensing that something was off with the kid, so he didn’t drink it, but also didn’t tell Reinhard because Reinhard dying would be good for the FPA.
What is the evidence of Emil poisoning Reinhard? I never caught that. Do people just think he did because Reinhard fell ill later?
>>290450917>The PKC are fascist nationalist coded objectivelyYou missed the point of the series. Corruption can happen anywhere at any time in any system. It is individuals who make the system, not the system that makes the individuals.Corruption seeps into all organizations. In the modern day, the PKC equivalent are not Fascists since Fascists are not pulling the strings in our modern day governments very plainly. It is the modern day egalitarians who consider the votes of fools and foreigners to be equal to the votes of contributors and natives. Who could vote used to be tightly controlled in our societies, now it is freely given to even the most obvious 5th columnist bad actors. Rudolf (and Reinhard) was the closest to a Fascist allegory, and even then people ponder on how bad things had gotten in democracy to the point where people gave him a chance just so that reforms could take place, and the corrupt bureaucracy could be swept aside.Trunicht used the PKC and nationalism as an excuse for blatant corruption, just as modern day egalitarians trumpet egalitarianism and ethnomasochism for the very same ends.The point of the series isn't ideology, or good vs evil. Or something as small brained as Left vs RightIt's corruption vs altruism.
>>290451100It's a fan theory. It only has speculation backing it up. I don't believe it because it doesn't make sense to me.
>>290451100Reinhard had never been sick in his entire life until putting Emil directly under his wing. It’s the kind of thing that’s not meant to have a definitive answer. Imagine the show is like a historic document. Someone a hundred years or more down the line may look at the fact that Reinhard only fell ill after hiring the redhead child that looked like his dead friend, and that person may think “well, this guy might have killed him, but I will never know.
>>290451161It’s easy to simplify it as “not left or right” which I agree with somewhat, but “altruism” in itself is a vague term. Who counts as people under the so called altruist’s umbrella? The fascist is likely to purge what it considers “dysgenic” like being of a “lesser” race, disabled, or homosexual. Meanwhile the leftist may take the approach of weeding out “corruption” in society by purging the wealthy and landlords who refuse to hand over their wealth. I think the actual point is that authoritarian governments in themselves are bad as there is no check on their power or actions. Yang understands that in the long term, even the most altruist authoritarian nation will inevitably devolve into something awful as power changes hands. Democracy is just all around the better alternative for people in themselves long run because despite the presence of corruption and bureaucratic crawl, the people still have an avenue to determine how they are governed, and that’s healthier long term. Reinhard on the other hand seems to have no concern for what comes after him, which is an issue.
>>290451174Explain why it doesn’t make sense? Is it because it isn’t spelled out? It’s intentionally vague.
>>290451174Oh so it's not me missing something got it. Thanks. I do not believe it either because that would imply the best doctors in the empire mistook poisoning for a genetic disease, which is fucking retarded, no matter how how good a Phezzani/terran spy could possibly be.
>>290451269You're right about a lot of things but surely you must realize by now that authoritarism and democracy are not mutually exclusive.
>>290451269>Who countsDepends on the circumstances of society at the time.>I think the actual point is that authoritarian governments in themselves are bad as there is no check on their power or actionsWrong. They can be bad, and they can be good. It's all about the people in charge. Yang criticizes autocracies for this but he don't want to confront the reality that the same rule applies for democracies as well. For all it's checks and balances, the FPA was tyrannized by corruption and bureaucrats. All ideologies are ultimately victims of this concept and it is why no human system is eternal or foolproof. Different times need different people and different ideologies. It isn't a one size fits all scenario. Yang even admits if he was born in the Empire that he would fight for Reinhard, so ironically his own tribalism and inability to confront reality is what leaves him so stubborn. Schonkopf is right that Yang would be a more principled and better ruler than anyone in the FPA government (at top levels anyway), he just doesn't want to take responsibility because being a ruler is hard and there isn't one right answer for everything, meaning that basically no matter what you do you will be criticized by history. Reinhard has the bravery to rule and make the hard decisions, even if he is sometimes wrong. Yang doesn't and wants to hide behind a system as an excuse.>the people still have an avenue to determine how they are governedOn paper yes, in practice no. It's merely a comforting thing. Like having a camera thinking it shields you from robbery. It may deter, but cannot "prevent">>290451277It doesn't make sense with the themes of the show that once Reinhard passes his reforms and loses his real motivations for going on, he perishes. A figure so larger than life that when an era of stability sets in he diminishes.>>290451315Yeah, I think it's dumb. If it were the case Rubinsky also wouldn't have had his cope bombs when he died
>>290451402>It doesn't make sense with the themes of the show that once Reinhard passes his reforms and loses his real motivations for going on, he perishes.This. He died when Yang died, pretty much. He didn't have a reason to keep going, because he didn't have a challenge to look forward to anymore.
>>290451161>pic>"authoritarian oligarchy is inevitable, therefore I might as well join a party that wants to speedrun the process"Jesus, this guy
>>290443353You've just had your minds broken by two millennia of Christianity, an anti-human, self hating religion.In many other cultures, particularly Imperial China and Japan, its acceptable for men who are close to one another to have sexual relations, particularly when one of the two is youthful. It's a normal part of human relations, it doesn't mean either is "gay" or they do not have the same responsibilities to produce heirs.Its only once you invent a concept of sin and eternal punishment for certain sexual acts, that oppressive regime exists for centuries AND THEN there is a modern, identity based pushback against it, that questions like this even make sense. For the vast rest of human history, the same genders sometimes fucking, particularly when closest friends or teacher/student, is just something that happens, not interfering with normal life.
>>290451402I'd advise actually reading some history, particularly chinese history which is a huge influence on LOGH. One of the most consistent themes that appears in every dynasty is poisoning of rulers by courtiers.
>>290451315>a Phezzani/terran spyReinard doesn't have a traditional localized power base. Someone from Odin with latent Goldenbaum sympathies is as likely to want him dead as someone from Phezzan. The military obviously loves him, but they bring in everyone from everywhere. It would be an instance of dramatic irony if Reihard after rebelling against tyranny ends up dead for his own tyrannical purges of his political enemies.
>>290443009Lohengramm siblings double teaming Kircheis would end in the perfect timeline where NGE enters a new golden era.FPA would have no chance in that timeline, same with space jews.
>>290443009why did they rule 34 this in the next manga?
>>290451269They show that democracy and "self government" is always worse. The kingdom was in need of revitalization but was never as bad off as the lost cause democracy that was always looking to purge or jail the most capable.
>>290451656Lies. Faggotry appears before collapse. You think being able to get away with raping the youth with promise is noble and cultured, eh? Healthy civilizations set those people on fire.
>>290446727Keep in mind though that Reinhard had been leaning hard on Hilda for years at this pointIf he even had the capacity to love anyone as a person other than his sister and brother (Kircheis being basically his brother) then he loved HildaIf he'd lived longer I can imagine them having more like 9-12 heirs...
>>290453110>>290451269One very important distinction to make is the difference between two "standards" of weighing a state's quality. How well the state does AS A STATE, which means how well it is able to keep itself in existence and exercise its "will" upon the world, and how well a state does FOR ITS PEOPLE, (which can, of course, be a group smaller than the total population of humans within its borders...), which means how well a state's citizens live. Which itself has multiple avenues. Is an empire which has a coup which establishes a new dynasty even still technically the same state? You could argue not. So by the first rule the Empire failed before the FPA did. Regarding the second rule, the FPA pretty transparently had a higher standard of living for its denizens. The vast majority of the Empire's population were essentially rural space serfs, whose existence I can only imagine was part of Rudolf's neo-Pagan LARP religion (probably rather luddite in outlook... so you can argue that their quality of life wasn't actually worse if you think it was healthier for them...) But then again, you can say that the serfs weren't really citizens anyway, so we SHOULD be looking at the standard of living of the aristocrats. But even among them, Reinhard's family itself shows that many aristocrats lived much poorer than you'd imagine.
>>290453882It may not be the same state, but the fact that it is easier for the right person to grab the reigns is a good thing. Line go up wealth in the FPA doesn't mean that quality of life was actually better for the people living there, it could be that rural space serfdom is the natural and fulfilling life. Being able to afford more degeneracy while the space jews infinitely exploit you is a bleak measurement of quality of life.
>>290453992Yes yes, hail Odin, Rudolf.
>>290443009Feel bad gay boy, go ruin another medium
>>290451656>revisionistic literal faggotry: the post
>>290453685Agreed. He did have real connection with her and was well demonstrated to be capable of loving the right individuals.
>>290453110Despite its protestations to the contrary, the show honestly reads like monarchist propaganda. The Empire has so much plot armor it somehow can have 99% of it's population be agricultural slaves who use pre-industrial farming methods, yet not immediately get steamrolled within like a year, much less two centuries. Hell real life modern day earth could defeat a society like that.
>>290443274FPBP as typical
>>290454368Well, I mean, Russia still hasn't fallen despite facing all the wrath our homosexuals can throw at it with their jew wealth, and the space empire is clearly healthier than Russia with all their multiracial kleptocratic boomer libshit.
>>290454368There's certainly some strong-man / "good dictator" undertones, in part because we're following Reinhard's POV most of the time, in part because the show gives Reinhard a lot of leeway,
>>290443756He has Oberstein for that
>>290451177>Reinhard had never been sick in his entire life until putting Emil directly under his wing.Is this true? I remember him being sick before too.
>>290454344god, she looks so ugly beside him.
>>290455801It must be true love then. And she is extremely intelligent, fit, and good bone structure, so it is eugenic.
>>290454898Russia, even at its absolutely shittiest depths in the 90's, was still a vastly more advanced civilization than the Empire. 75% of Russia's population are urbanites living in an industrial/post-industrial society (as shitty as it may be) compared to the maybe 1% of the Empires population who aren't literal medieval serfs.>>290454962I think the problem mostly stems from Tanaka wanting the Empire to represent too many different things in the story, even though they contradict each other, which makes the Empire especially kind of schizophrenic and nonsensical. The Empire is at various points supposed to be Medieval Feudalism, 18th and 19th century absolutism, and 20th century Fascism, when in truth all of those things are extremely different from each other with completely different ways of operating, and have incompatible interests and goals. The FPA suffers this to a lesser extent, sometimes wanting to represent the mid-19th century Republican movements (France most of all), but sometimes is the post-WW2 liberalism of the modern day, especially of Japan itself.
>>290456039Well...we don't get a detailed picture of exactly how industrial output works in LOGH, but the empire can put out galaxy spanning battleships like Russia can put out tanks, so it seems they solved for that without urbanized populations somehow. Thus they can reap the morale benefits of a contented and silent civilian population and aristocratic, honor based military to stand against the vast but degenerate GAE errr FPA. Maybe their Elon von Muskhardt produced actually viable robots or something.
>>290451544A leadership class that doesn't have to think about reelections to hold power can theoretically focus more on governing
>>290456039>I think the problem mostly stems from Tanaka wanting the Empire to represent too many different things in the storyI think you're being misled by how hard the upper echelons of the Empire party fetishize the baroque aesthetic.
>>290457685Even Yang is eventually like "Fuck the people, let's steal some assets and go do our own thing. Oh yeah, we are all about the democratic liberty, it just needs to be limited to the 20 most competent white men I know."
>>290456039Anon the Empire was founded by a Nazi who was about as removed from the Nazi’s as we are to the fall of Rome. Of course it’s going to be schizophrenic and nonsensical to us, because we know that Prussia, Imperial Germany, and Nazi Germany are all very distinct and different things. Rudolf was probably just generalizing Germany like we do Rome when using it to base his society on.
>>290457998Honestly the show doesn't do nearly enough to showcase the differences between different castes and even different planets in the Empire, which is one of its greatest weaknesses, but I think we can make some educated assumptions about certain things. The first is that within the Empire there are what we might call Imperials, a ethno-cultural group descended from white people who accepted Rudolf and his LARPerisms, including speaking neo-German (I doubt it's really our IRL German), his Odinist religion, etc. All Aristocrats are part of this group, as well as presumably most settlers on any frontier planets which the Empire settled in its 500 years of existence. These are the people who have, frankly, an extremely conservative popular aesthetic, which given their connection to the state, I can sort of believe. Everyone dresses like a Prussian circa the Napoleonic era because Rudolf WANTED everyone to, and the Empire's government has never given up on that. Outside of this group, however, there's clearly more. We get a glimpse of that with the toga-wearing planet that Kircheis puts down, but given that the FPA has people of various different races and ethnic origins (based upon names) we can assume that the older settled planets still have lots of non-krauts on them who simply don't have any political power, even in Reinhard's new order, and who might not all dress like it's 1799.
>>290450364Beautiful post. Serene post. Blessed post.Sankyuu, Frogposter-san.
>>290455773They make a statement that he has never been sick early on.
>>290454368If you think this show is monarchist propoganda, you miss the entire point of Yangs character, and you do so because of personal political beliefs you project onto the show instead of what the show actually presents.The whole reason Oberstein serves Reinhard is because he knows that it’s very easy for authoritarian governments to turn evil, so he serves the guy that seems like the best current option. It doesn’t depict monarchism as good, it goes out of its way to show how bad it was for almost the entire existence of the empire. There’s a whole history episode about it.
>>290458918>>290457998You're talking about aesthetics (which you are correct about how Fascists love to schizophrenically Larp as RETVRN), and to be fair the show was on purpose trying to draw a similarity to Rudolf warping as a Prussian with Fascist aesthetics. But I'm talking about how the society is actually structured and run. >>290457088Yeah about the only way Imperial logistics/industry works is if we assume they have fully automated Factory asteroids run by AI (actual AI not LLM's) making all their spaceships for them like the Zentraedi from Macross.>>290458680Well another problem with the FPA's portrayal is that we barely get any information on how their government actually works. They seem to be ruled by some kind of tiny supreme council that is answerable to no other body and has complete control of all executive and legislative action (no checks and balances) and we have no idea how it is actually selected (are it's members even directly elected or not?) Trunhilt just sort of becomes absolute dictator without any real explanation how he politically achieved such power, like yeah he had his Brownshirt wannabes but how did he get them? Is he using them through some sort of Party apparatus? Personal Loyalty?
>>290451174>>290451100There's various shots throughout the second half of the series of Emil giving furtive looks as he's serving Reinhard e.g. the meeting with Yang, and of Reinhard staring hesitantly at what Emil is serving him. Combined with the historical precedent for these sorts of plots, the fact Emil straight disappears after a certain point without it ever being addressed, and the baldie from the Terra cult saying explicitly in the finale that there are other parties besides the Terra cult who want the Lohengramm dynasty destroyed, it's pretty clear we're meant to suspect the possibility. Like the child Kaiser turning out to be actually alive, it's one of those things that feeds into the "and the story goes on..." feel the series is aiming for at its close. Like I said before, it mirrors the fact that the events of the series start with Yang's investigation of Bruce Ashby's death in Spiral Labyrinth that goes absolutely fucking nowhere after 14 episodes except unearthing some adjacent espionage events that are a nothingburger as far as his primary objective in that investigations goes. The history the series is a brief excerpt from continues, dense and obscure, both before and after what we see.
>>290461470>about the only way Imperial logistics/industry worksSee we really can't say anything about this as we simply don't see enough under the hood. Even HOW the "frontier planets" that we do see work doesn't get any elaboration. I FIGURE that it's something along the line of a small region on each planet of "jump-started" terraforming, with an electromagnetically-contained atmosphere, which gradually expands as more land is terraformed. These aren't economic settlements, they don't exist to turn a profit, they exist because Rudolf wanted to expand the human footprint of the Empire and hated space habitats (probably because early in the history of space exploration there were a few "gundam" style incidents regarding space habitats...) But if there is one thing actually coming out of these planets as an export, I'd assume it's manpower. The best of the best on each colony end up migrating to the actual industrial base settlements to manage the machines which run the empire. (And it's not AI. Another thing we must assume from, you know, the fact that million of men are involved in each space battle, is that there is some Butlerian fatwa against giving too much power to computers. Again, this is something the reality of what we see makes inevitable, but nothing actually SAYS this. Basically Tanaka didn't utilize the sci-fi setting to its fullest, really)Of course, since the Empire is extremely corrupt, I doubt the best of the best really end up at the helm of the production engines, but those millions of ships still get made...
>>290453992The point is that this time a good person took the reigns, but usually it’s an awful person
>>290443353This, its the Frodo/Sam "gayness" all over again.
>>290461692interesting af. Reinchad blindly trusting someone whod neber betray him just for looking like his bromantic partner Kirkechad is lowkirkenuinely likely
>>290451544Every type of government has a niche and times when it is good and bad. Fascism is very good for reforming society. I think the only type that basically only has drawbacks is Marxism and any ideology that has out group preference instead of in group preference
>>290462899>marxism having our group preferenceBasically its entire thesis is to improve the lives of the people within the country implementing Marxism. It’s explicitly in group. It’s fascism that has the out group problems with the constant need to invade neighboring countries.
>>290454368>The Empire has so much plot armor it somehow can have 99% of it's population be agricultural slavesNotice how the Empire never has food shortages but it constantly happens for the FPA.The FPA is filled with useless bureaucrat jobs. The Empire has them too but every noble at the very least is incentivized to take care of their property to an extent to hand it down. FPA is filled with short term decision making
>>290461838>there is some Butlerian fatwa against giving too much power to computersLotGH was written before WiFi and Bluetooth were invented; and Yoshiki Tanaka's general assumption seems to that it's much easier to disrupt electromagnetic radiation based communication than it is to establish it. I think the Iserlohn Republic did have a large number of ships run on auto-pilot once they started having manpower issues.
>>290443353Homoerotism is just another tool to keep men divided and untrusting of each other.
>>290462954I should have specified Marxist Liberalism for suicidal out group preference.Authoritarian Marxism is literally a closed system as you say.>It’s fascism that has the out group problems with the constant need to invade neighboring countries.Not really. Fascism has a clear core demographic that it wants to serve. The whole point of Fascism is that it wants to put the in group of the nation first among outsiders to guarantee that people will actually be rewarded for loyalty. Also Fascism seeks to be strong militarily but doesn't necessarily seek constant war, it is more like classical Roman dictatorship where they get drawn into them based on other circumstance besides pure ideology. It has flaws but it is mostly due to the temptation of internal corruption, the obvious example is someone like Goering.You should think of Fascism as essentially a post industrial version of Roman dictatorship with a couple twists. Good leaders will be really good, bad leaders will be bad and destabilize the empire. People seem to forget that Hitler was considered a good leader before all the war/post war propaganda really had time to sink in and pollute any discourse about stuff like this, pic related
>>290454368This is complete cope. It shows the strengths and weaknesses of both ideologies.The take away is that no matter the ideology, the number one thing that matters is the people in charge, not the ideology.
>>290461692It does an excellent job with the continuing world feel. We get dropped into events just happening at full speed, and it makes it a bit hard to pick up for the first stretch but it is a cool effect that makes a living world feel. Too bad we are well past when things that are good can be made or it would be sweet to get a new show to find out what is happening now.
>>290443009Majority of men are bi-leaning. It's a fact. That's why so many men start fucking their buddies when they have no access to women.
>>290461852Yeah but in democracy when a good person comes along they get thrown in prison or executed.
>>290464095That's not a thing. Jews tell you lies hoping you will believe it and corrupt yourself.
>>290464260True, but the frequency of good people touching power is more often than in autocracy.
>>290463108Usually being gay for each other was used to strengthen male bonds, not break them. Think the Band of Thebes, or samurai warrior culture.It's decadent, atomized modern men who are too afraid of being faggots to experience deep male bonding or tolerate any sort of homoeroticism.
>>290463275The issue with fascism as it has existed (especially contemporarily or in the last handful of centuries, like with the Nazis of the past or current Zionists), is the constant need for an enemy. It’s the other that takes the blame for all of society’s problems, so when that other is purged, and society still has problems (because society will always have problems), the fascists need to create a new enemy to satiate the public. As for the Rome point, It definitely had fascist periods, but a lot of the medieval era following was also fascistic. The issue with fascism is that it has no single doctrine. It’s a collection of nationalist attitudes with some “fear of the other” sprinkled in. Out of all political ideologies, it is the most vague because it is often built out of a reaction to something rather than intended to be fascistic from the onset.
>>290464095What planet are you from? That's not thing, and has never been one. You're either woman (highly unlikely in this site), trolling, or a revisionist faggot.
>>290462963I think you underestimate just how inefficient pre-industrial agriculture is. There's a reason there was a famine almost every 10-20 years (and a bigger one every 40-50) in every state throughout Europe and Asia before modern times. Imperial planets would barely be able to feed themselves much less the obscenely large military the empire maintains at all times.
>>290464515The other should be feared. And fought against. How to keep your people sharp and pushing in the same direction if you don't have an enemy?
>>290463275>>290464774This is completely farcical. Rome wasn't and never was Fascist. Fascism, whether by self-identification or deed, only came into existence in the 20th century and was a direct reaction to the perceived failures of Liberalism while it itself (regardless of it's pretensions otherwise) was an ideology operating within the framework of industrial capitalism. If "Autocrat rules autocratishly" is your definition of Fascism then your definition is so broad as to be meaningless.
>>290464515>is the constant need for an enemyNot necessarily. Fascism tends to gain popular support in times where there are massive issues in society that are not being addressed by the powers that be.Franco is an example of a Fascist dictator who remained neutral and was peaceable. Hitler didn't want war with the British or French either in the first place, just the USSR for both realpolitik reasons and a general fear of bolshevism. Don't forget that it was the Western powers that manufactured the war by baiting the Polish foreign minister Jozef Beck with false promises of "we will help you bro" instead of telling him to make a pact with the H-man, or even making an anti Soviet pact themselves.They put Hitler in a corner and a situation where he had enemies on both sides, and just used Poland as an excuse to start the war. You never want to corner someone completely like that unless it is your intention to have war, they even talk about this in LotGH where the FPA doesn't want to corner Yang and force him to take power.Also there were plenty of Roman emperors who reigned in times of relative peace as well, even if Rome was on the whole very militaristic as were most powers back in the day.>The issue with fascism is that it has no single doctrine.Less of an "issue" and more the reality of the ideology and egos involved. It depends on what the person in charge wants to prioritize. The only real "rules" are nationalism, a culture that greatly respects martial, masculine tradition, and in group preference for your own countrymen.>>290464774I think it is just speculation that it is purely pre industrial.
>>290464926>Rome wasn't and never was FascistCorrect. Fascism didn't really come into being until the after the industrial revolution. But prior to it, it was the closest thing to it. There is a reason that Fascism reuses many of the same ideas and aesthetics from it.>only came into existence in the 20th century and was a direct reaction to the perceived failures of LiberalismWhich is exactly how dictators in the late republic seized power and how the Imperial period started as well. The failure of republicanism and the populist response to that.>If "Autocrat rules autocratishly" is your definition of Fascism then your definition is so broad as to be meaningless.There are a couple ground rules that I listed here >>290464928, but Fascism is pretty laissez faire as an ideology as long as you broadly meet those conditions. Part of the reason people get attracted to Fascism is because it is percieved as a flexible ideology that isn't tied down to any specific dogma, just certain broad rules and a respect of hierarchy.
>>290443353I agree with this, no homo.
>>290464290>>290464576Gay sex in prisons, army, long expeditions, etc. isn't a thing now?Also you guys seem rather defensive. It's okay to be gay ya know?
>>290464928>I think it is just speculation that it is purely pre industrial.I mean outside of "It was all offscreen and no one ever mentioned or talked about it" headcanoning, We are literally shown on screen the Imperial Serfs and how they live, and it literally is pre-industrial agriculture complete with Oxen pulled plows, and no character is reacts like "Oh wow this must be some weird Larp planet" it being the way the Empire works just something everyone already knows.>>290465020>Which is exactly how dictators in the late republic seized power and how the Imperial period started as well. The failure of republicanism and the populist response to that.The Roman Republic was neither Liberal nor had anything to do with "Republicanism" (an ideology created by the Enlightenment), it was just a way for the hereditary aristocracy to divvy up responsibility in the absence of a monarch. The Roman Republic becoming the Roman Empire wasn't about populism, it was about Rome's territory becoming so vast after the Punic Wars as to become unmanageable by a single city-state, which allowed officials the ability to form their own little kingdoms out of the conquered territories with their own armies answerable to themselves (Pompey in Spain, Caesar in Gaul, Sulla in Greece, etc).
>>290464928You’re really ignoring the “purge everyone that isn’t to my liking” part of Hitler. He’d have probably gotten the atom bomb if he didn’t kill all the autists.
>>290465477>We are literally shown on screen the Imperial SerfsWe are also shown they have more than enough food to provide for themselves to the point where it was Imperial strategy to deprive them to starve the FPA. It is also shown that there are vehicles and such on farming worlds, pic related.>>290465477In theory the patricians were supposed to work in common interest with the plebs (the plebs even having a tribune for this purpose) and represent them somewhat in the senate. In practice it didn't happen. Roman Republicanism isn't 1:1 with post enlightenment Republicanism, but it rhymes.>wasn't about populismIt was. Populism for Pompey vs populism for Caesar (and the fight over who was his rightful heir). Also was about there being too many slaves and other issues I don't want to get into.>>290465669If Western powers didn't blockade, boycott, and sanction him from day 1 they could have used economic leverage or made him compromise on a lot more things. Sanctions and boycotting foreign nations doesn't really work in the long term and ironically just diminishes your own influence on the other party. The allies wanted war, not peace. Part of the reason Germany got more and more vicious during the war is because every time he gave a peace offer he was refused and nothing short of total victory would force peace. Even the official narratives paint him as much milder and more reasonable before the war and the stress from it got to him. Remember, the "death camps" weren't until 1941 at earliest.
>>290465369>Gay sex isn't a thing now?Yes. This is like saying all sailors are cannibals because of fringe cases where it was a rule when lost at sea it was allowed for the longest time.>It's okay to be gay ya know?This is a loaded statement, but basically no.Ethically, morally, religiously, healthwise, and practically homosexuality is a net cost to society, not a benefit. My only elaboration is that on a personal level and when treated with massive discipline, it can be okay, but so can hard drugs. All this without a single tangible benefit beyond personal pleasure. It is the ultimate expression of hedonism especially when combined with promiscuity which it often is. Which is why on a societal level it makes sense to discourage it. People need to learn to be able to treat things differently on a societal level and a personal level.This will be my final post on the matter because mods will almost certainly ban for derailing if I go further because they are touchy
>>290465369It's not okay though. You didn't notice yet how badly it has hurt our civilization?
>>290465927It’s hurler’s fault the people died. “Oh the outside forces made me kill them” is a nonsense argument.
>>290466670>It’s hurler’s fault the people diedWho are you going to feed first?a. prisoners who already hate youb. your own soldiers and citizens who don't hate youBoth are facing shortages
>>290466026It’s had no negative impact on civilization. What has had a negative impact is wealth accumulation. Gay people fucking gay people isn’t what keeps housing expensive and all idpol exists as a distraction engineered by the cia in order to keep the wheels of capital turning for at least one more financial quarter. I genuinely can’t perceive of a worldview where fags fucking has anything to do with whether a country or its people prospers or not.
>>290466703Don’t create the prisoner situation in the first place. Rounding up millions of people for nonsensical reasons is idiotic. Like you run on being socialist and then immediately arrest all the communists? Idiotic.
>>290466765If there's one thing leftists hate more than apostates are different kinds of leftists. Plus it's a great way to distract people from how shitty your own "revolution" is doing.
>>290466905His own revolution was barely a revolution. It was just a wealth transfer from one group of wealthy people to another group of wealthy people under the guise of “justice”.
>>290466765>Don’t create the prisoner situation in the first placeNo state is under an obligation to be servile to random minority groupsHitler ran on worker's rights, not on Marxism. He was "Socialist" in that he wanted a common society of certain standards for his people, not in that he wanted Marxism
>>290465369No it not ok, ignorantsimpleton
>>290466939Welcome to socialism.
>>290466959The worker’s right to die in an unnecessary and doomed two front war?
ive been watching the laserdisc i absolutely love it but can someone please tell me when my dear reinhard gets his lushous long hair and how long will it last for?
>>290467200I disagree but the derailing is getting bad so I will just leave it at that
>>290466740A plague of people who can't see it, and here we are. It should be easy enough to see how moral health and proper interpersonal relations has to do with whether a country and people prosper. None is more pro fag than the cia. There were rich people when things were good. There was not being ok with fags when things were good.
>>290453110>The kingdom was in need of revitalization but was never as bad off as the lost cause democracyNigga did you even watch the show. The Empire was cool if you were into larping as otto von germanstein otherwise you were a peasant, literal property, or you were dead because your genetics weren't good enough. Only in its very terminal stages did they get a miracle genius to revitalise it, otherwise it would have imploded even harder than the FPA with inbred retards like Braunschweig in charge.
>>290467769>The Empire was cool if you were into larping as otto von germanstein otherwise you were a peasantEven in the shittiest, most decadent times of the twilight empire there were some good nobles who were lords of their own domains, even if small, and who were great people to be under. In a democracy you have to change the entire bureaucratic system to achieve something like that, because corruption in democracies takes the form of a web that interconnects all of established society.Personally I would take the society that has a clear decision maker because you can at least hold people accountable if you don't like the direction of society. In a democracy your worst enemy is your own fellow citizen who knows nothing and just votes ignorantly for the most obscene, corrupt shit as well as unaccountable representatives and bureaucrats who hide behind procedure. If you are being oppressed in an empire it is pretty clear who is allowing it, and it is always an outside force and not your neighbors voting for it
>>290461470I assume the way the FPA works goes something like this>regular elected representatives (like Jessica Edwards and the guy she replaced)>parliament of some kind with multiple parties (probably just 2)>supreme council elected from the reigning party, this is the executive, there is no presidential/prime minister positionIt's also highly likely that it's effectively a one-party state much like Japan. The only party mentioned outside the nebulous ruling one is the anti-war party, which would imply that the main political split in the alliance is pro-war and anti-war which is kind of hilarious when you think about it.
>>290467885>Even in the shittiest, most decadent times of the twilight empire there were some good nobles who were lords of their own domainsSure, but what's the proportion of good lords vs bad? In the show it's very clear that the majority of the high nobles, the richest, most powerful bloc of nobility who held the most land, joined the Lippstadt league, and with a handful of exceptions like Fahrenheit and Merkatz they were all retards. And if you call them out for being retards they at best ignore you, and at worst imprison or execute you. Which is the problem with autocratic systems, it relies on the power holders being even more competent and incorruptible than democracy does, because the instant the retards get in charge they start inbreeding and the only way to remove them is by armed rebellion.
>>290465369>Gay sex in prisons, army, long expeditions, etc. isn't a thing now?Yes, it happens. It's also a very small number compared to the total number of men involved and lastly, it also includes a lot of rape by predatory faggots. So no, in a lot of cases it's not okay, nor is a de fault outcome like you tried to assert at first.
>>290468176The high nobles were retards, but the low/mid ones were mostly portrayed as fairly reasonable.Ultimately both systems of democracy and autocracy have flaws but you can compare it to a machine. I would rather be able to tell what exactly is wrong with the machine and how to fix it even if difficult or dangerous, than have no fucking idea how deep the problems in the machine go and not even knowing how dangerous the machine is.
>>290467731There is nothing immoral about gay sex unless you’re considering religion, which you shouldn’t because all Abrahamic religions are lies the church engineered to control the masses. Come on man, it’s 2026. You have to look into the causality of your own beliefs and how they were engineered for you. Everyone does. Otherwise the systems in place will fuck you over.
>>290468232The issue is that authoritarian governments have the potential to be way way worse for the people than any democratic government. “Bro I can see who the enemy is” doesn’t matter when you are marched into a camp.
>>290468302>The issue is that authoritarian governments have the potential to be way way worse for the people than any democratic governmentThey have the same potential for it.>“Bro I can see who the enemy is” doesn’t matter when you are marched into a camp.If you are being taken alive then you are already failing in your duty. Also let's not forget plenty of democratic countries throw you into the bin for exercising opinions about modern society that are about as daring as "we should look after our own people instead of constantly prioritizing random foreigners" and "why do so many institutions have small hat men as leaders" or even dare I say "there is two tier policing all across our nations"
>>290468362Are you under the impression that the United States isn’t an authoritarian government?
>>290468718A cheap excuse.There will never be a democracy that doesn't force people to do things they don't want to. All governments are authoritarian by nature, I just prefer ones that don't lie to me and don't have systems built to reinforce that lie at the cost of efficiency.Democracy can only work at a relatively local level under specific conditions, where all parties argue in good faith and there is a mutual understanding of circumstances
>>290443353well said, strength and honor brother!
Anyone who thinks where wasn't meant to be gay undertones between them hasn't watched Golden Wings.
>>290468036Could be. Given that Trunicht, Huang Rui and Rebello seemed unaligned politically and all got to keep their positions while everyone else got booted after the failed invasion I kind of assumed there were at least 3 parties in the executive. The high chairman is probably something along the lines of a prime minister/president/general secretary but I wouldn't be surprised if the secretary of defense in a nation that has been at war for much of its existence wields considerable powers.As a closing remark, the pro-anti war split should be seen within the context of the recent capture of Iserlohn and the ensuing public debate as to whether it ought to be used as bridge head to bring the fight to the empire, as a barganing tool to be ceded back to the empire as a part of a peace settlement or simply held as a fortified choke point while the war simmers on.Obviously a there cannot be a peace without the consent of the Empire, regardless of what the populous of the FPA want.
>>290463064Even in the 70s anyone could have predicted that in 2000+ years there would be computers capable of complete, TRUE, autopilot of warships. Theoretically, there really shouldn't be the need for the hundreds-to-thousands of men each ship has, unless there's some REASON that the basic autopiloting systems which they do have are unable to accomplish what actual people can. If it's not a cultural/religious precept against advanced artificial intelligence (which does seem likely given that there are no androids) it's probably something along the lines of extremely disruptive computer viruses which are impossible to guard against completely.
>>290467568'bout episode 70 and it last until the end, you fag
>>290464774>pre-industrial agricultureYou realize that there is a full episode devoted to the farming practices of the empire, during the FPA's ill-fated invasion, right?They aren't "pre-industrial." They have tractors and shit. But they're not where we are, with only >5% of the population still involved in food production. Which seems almost certainly a conscious decision on the Imperial government's part. Rudolf probably thought that small farming communities were the peak of civilization and that the more people who lived like that, the better (not counting aristocrats living in massive manors of course...)
>>290468261>literally IT'S 2015+11not an argumentAnd your beliefs WEREN'T engineered for you? You're the real free-thinker here, huh?Fuck off.
>>290468918Adaption of a woman mangaka's own work desu, doesn't really count.
>>290468918not canon
>>290468261Not him, but all sorts of religions and cultures have developed taboos against homos independently, it's far from just Abrahamic religions, and it's not a coincidence. One could maybe surmise that it's to dissuade people from relationships that won't produce children, but looking at the very small percentage of people that incline towards non heterosexual, the numbers don't match. I think it probably starts as a way to ward off predatory homosexuals nonces away from children. Culture and laws aren't precision instruments, so instead of singling out the gay nonces, it becomes a society wide prejudice against all faggots and dykes instead.
>>290468918>non canon garbage>written by a foidL O L
Huh. Came here expecting relentless shit flinging, walls of buzzwords and bad faith arguments, but this is somehow a pretty good thread.
>>290469580I’d argue that it’s moreso that people who aren’t gay think it’s weird at all base level and turned that into a moral issue when it isn’t. Look at the top of our society and you will see that it’s almost entirely made out of straight pedophiles, so either it’s a cultural thing where the rape of a son is seen as worse than the rape of a daughter, or more likely, it’s a conflation where people think gay people are pedophiles despite the two concepts being separate with no causal link. Reminder that there are other actual moral evils that the church actually was against, like usury, that people have now stepped back from despite it being a real material moral issue.
>>290470046It's a LOTGH thread, of course it's high level discussion.
>>290469513I grew up without any pressure towards or against religion. I’ve spoken about this with a friend who literally works within the church and asked if he would be religious had he not been raised with religion, and he told me he probably wouldn’t. That’s just rationality. Your upbringing determines your perspective on a lot of things. From a determinist perspective, your entire life is just the causal result of everything that has come before. My point is that you can’t look at a society where everything is being ruined by gambling and usury and think “you know why society is failing? The queers.” That’s just being blind.
>>290468808So you’d prefer a government that just murders you more efficiently than one that murders you less efficiently?
>>290470264One plainly lets me know where I stand, allowing me to fight back, flee, make friends who hold the same opinions, or become dissident in similar plain fashion.The other is waiting to sink a knife in my back as soon as I let my guard down while pretending to listen to my concerns.Yes, I prefer the honest one.
>>290470214>your entire life is just the causal result of everything that has come beforeIf you genuinely can't understand how the acceptance of teh gayz has led to the situation we find ourselves in today there is truly no hope for you.
>>290470323Time to guess. Is he:>playing dumb, thus making discourse impossible>genuinely apologizing for hedonism and not knowing the consequences and wider effects on society of putting hedonistic behaviors on the same rank of societal worth as productive ones>trolling in the year of our lord 2015 + 11Vote now and get this pin to show you mean business
>>290470214I didn't grow up religious. Funny how you assume that anyone who doesn't think mass acceptance of homosexuality is really a great thing must be religious. It's just one of the many symptoms of and contributors to the societal decline which we're currently sliding into. Gambling and usury are, of course, bigger aspects as well (and especially mass-scale gambling, that is, the stock market and the housing market, which have been made into a way for the uber-wealthy to drag everyone else in society into a gamble on their terms) but structural weakness of the sort we have is supported by cultural weakness, and the people who benefit from this structural weakness likewise benefit from the cultural weakness. I won't continue this conversation as it's uninteresting, unrelated to LotGH, and likely to get me banned, since /a/ mods can be very touchy.
They weren't gay but it would have been cute if they were. >but homosexuality is a symptom of societal decline!!!Who cares about the 3D world?
>>290470150>I’d argue that it’s moreso that people who aren’t gay think it’s weird at all base levelWell, that's the base assumption against any kind of minority or what's perceived as "other". It does not explain the origin of the prejudice itself, nor its gravity. >Look at the top of our society and you will see that it’s almost entirely made out of straight pedophilesSure, but you can't compare modern top down, heavily socially engineered societies to bottom up, small commuties where a few cases of wrongdoing by gay pedos would give them a bad rep in the entire community. >so either it’s a cultural thing where the rape of a son is seen as worse than the rape of a daughterOr, you know, it's parents just not wanting their kids to be raped at all. >or more likely, it’s a conflation where people think gay people are pedophiles despite the two concepts being separate with no causal link. I already explained why above. It would just take a few observed cases of fag predatory behavior on kids or young teens for the whole community to make that association and develope a stigma against them, because people aren't naturally equiped to weight statiscal rates, and "others" are already seen with suspicions by default. >Reminder that there are other actual moral evils that the church actually was against, like usury, that people have now stepped back from despite it being a real material moral issue.Now you're moving the discussion away from the topic. I already told you this is an issue that can't be reduced to one specific culture, time, or institution.
>>290467769Being a peasant is not a bad thing. They live in tight nit communities and families and have a chill existence that makes meaningful sense. Why is it better to live in some shit box apartment with drugs and porn and brain rot?
>>290468261Only decadent, collapsing civilizations tolerate it, that's a clue right there. It's wrong because it is disgusting and unfit and spreads disease and weakness and corruption among men, or it is wrong because God says so. Either way, strong men and strong civilizations don't tolerate it. Yes, there are tons of other problems, but tolerating faggotry is a deep, terminal, flashing red lights, end of the road failing.
>>290472614So the Greeks were collapsing from their inception? This is genuinely an insane argument. It’s like saying eating cantaloupe is evil. There’s no connective thread beyond ancient schizophrenic ramblings. You can’t possibly convince me that if penises stopped going into butts tomorrow, that anything would improve materially at all.
>>290472951Greece did it at collapse not inception. Once they were strong, then they tolerated faggotry, then they they got slapped around like the bitches they made themselves into. In our case I don't know if improvement is possible. If it is, then certainly it will involve cessation of dikinbut.
>>290473141It just genuinely doesn’t seem like a solution to anything that would improve the lives of myself or many other people. The thing I find with a lot of conservatives ideologies in the west is that there are very “treat the symptom, not the cause.” Because they are incapable of comprehending such a structural change. Like with the illegal immigrant work issue. The average conservative thinks “round em up” is a functional solution. The actual solution is to arrest the people that hire the immigrants, so that immigrants can’t find work and have no desire to come here. The issue is that this touches people deemed “untouchable”. Working here illegally is seen as bad. Hiring illegal workers reads as “smart business practices”. Like good luck convincing the average western conservative that gambling should be illegal.
>>290473685>The actual solution is to arrest the people that hire the immigrantsIt's both.There is no such thing as a "conservative", only a liberal with a 10-20 year time lag. For example, if you believe in women having the vote, non Whites having the vote (or even being citizens), or shit like gay rights you are automatically completely at odds with the vision that the founders had for the nation and are completely at odds with how the law in the US was meant to be interpreted to the point where you might as well throw a revolution and start your own nation.Modern America is a fucking ghoul wearing the skin of a nation that had completely different sensibilities. The last gasp of America died with the civil rights act, which de facto banned freedom of association. Even before then America was a zombie and Lincoln was the last president who had actual vision for the nation. The civil war should never have happened.I don't want to derail but it's the same principle that happens in LotGH to the FPA - following the letter of the law but showing utter contempt for the spirit of the law and why it was even written.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIpJEcTEXUQ
>>290473837America was founded as a freemasonic cult nation, so it’s not like its founding in and of itself is necessarily perfect.
>>290474394>it’s not like its founding in and of itself is necessarily perfectYou're missing the point. The point is that most normalfags talk with authority about what the purpose and mission statement of America's democracy, liberty, etc is without understanding it or by deliberately lying about it. Most of what they say only got introduced in the 60's and is deliberate propaganda to muddy the waters and make actual productive action for government completely impossible.America is effectively a one party state with Liberals on both sides and no real opposition. The only real difference is that one party wants to go slightly slower than the other in the slide to decline, maybe that changes slightly from issue to issue, but that is the reality. As was said, a real conservative party would not only ship illegals back and punish nations who allow them to flood here, but would also punish people who willingly employ them here.I just wish people would be honest and admit they hate the vision that the founders had for the nation instead of warping it into something it absolutely was not supposed to be. Arle Heinessen and his friends' vision got corrupted in the FPA just like the Founders' did in the US.Such is the destiny of all systems that corrupt people want to abuse though. The only cure is purges or building something new. You cannot fight bureaucracy with bureaucracy and win when the bureaucrats have picked a side long ago.
>>290443353This is exactly the truth.I came to the conclusion that the whole gay agenda has explicitly as its true purpose to destroy the concept of love itself.Originally, when you read the Bible this is how Jesus and Paul acted with their beloved brothers. And that concept is too powerful, it creates social cohesion and strong bonds — which they will never know because they are evil and can not love.Therefore they pushed this notion that all love is always sexual.There is nothing you could imagine that is more evil than that.Therefore now you are subconsciously afraid to love your brother like yourself, because it could make you gay.I will be banned of 4chan if I say what the right reaction to this is and what people ought to do because of this, so I wont.
>>290474741I get banning for off topic shit in other threads or the fags who spam /pol/ threads that don't belong, but I don't know why mods ban politics, sociological, or history talk in LotGH threads because they are so intrinsic to actually being able to discuss it
>>290474741You'll also be banned if you start looking too closely at who encourages it the mostI wonder sometimes if the mods ever look at the posts criticizing how harsh they can be on good faith discussion and just absorb nothing from it or if they know and are actively malicious. I guess you could ask the same about bureaucrats in corrupt societies that stifle any dissenting opinions. They just get too used to the status quo, too burned out. Then apathy or even dislike replaces passion. Or they are actively part of the corruption and either downplay it or just don't care about the consequences as long as their narrative is being pushed or they are winning personally.
>>290474768>>290474885The whole gay drama shit actually got me banned a lot on /a/.I used to often post to Madoka threads.And one thing that is very clear to me is that Madoka/Homura is as a dynamic clearly the same archetype as Kircheis/Reinhard. With Homura being Reinhard and Madoka being her Kircheis.That wasnt a problem.But when I said that therefore clearly none of these characters a gay, then air itself caught fire because of the outrage.When I then quoted the bible from 1. Corinthians 13 to prove that love is not gay, then I got banned for off topic - despite Madoka having explicit Christian references and topics.I didnt even get to the point where you say WHO is behind that kind of agenda — and what they could possibly have against Christianity.
>>290474522What do you define as decline? The right clearly wants wealth accumulation at the top to happen faster. The left wants meaningless idpol stuff to that intentionally distracts from the wealth accumulation the right wants. I can’t be made to care about idpol after finding out the CIA engineers idpol to create divides amongst the masses. I’m just not going to buy into their constructed narratives and chose a “live and let live” approach, because that guy isn’t at fault for why the world is the way it is, the responsibility is always in the people at the top.
>>290474741It’s genuinely not that serious. Most people know you can have close male friendships. The gay stuff is just jokes“This is no joking matter”I’m sure there are plenty of things you joke about that others would find obscene.
>>290475584>What do you define as decline?Moral and social decadence. People losing sight of actually important values. Erosion of societal constructs and societal trust.Depends on what you define as left and as right for the rest of your post, and idpol was normal until the civil rights act in America at least. Ethnicity and nation used to be synonymous basically, and race categorized each of those into broad groups. "Modern" idpol is just Whites vs almost everyone else (basically name a nation mass invading what can be broadly said as White nations to plunder and undermine them), with a couple outliers. idpol in favor of foreigners favors interest groups like the CIA, Mossad, FBI, SPLC, etc who want to cause as much societal chaos as possible so that nothing of substance can be done to deal with corruption - democratic bodies can't make decisions if they can't even agree on basics. The other benefit is foreign nations who want to leverage their diaspora in the West to force policy changes to be in their favor.
>>290461692>There's various shots throughout the second half of the series of Emil giving furtive looks as he's serving Reinhard e.g. the meeting with Yang, and of Reinhard staring hesitantly at what Emil is serving him.Which I personally interpreted as Emil attempting to poison Yang (Which isn't that strange considering his father died in a battle against Yang) and Reinhard losing his appetite as he got sicker. Would Reinhard have kept eating if he knew he were being poisoned? After the death of Yang I can't say for sure. He definitely had some suicidal thoughts back then so maybe he would have. But even then I still don't see him not confronting Emil about it, he's that kind of guy. Even if he trusted Emil with his life. Him disappearing later is definitely the most sus element but I'll be honest I thought the anime just forgot he existed and he was still out there somewhere (that's how the anime handled a lot of characters after all) since the anime never lampshaded his disappearance. At least I don't remember it.
>>290475018Madoka is hardly the same as something like gay pride shit being shoved down your throat, so I don't really care about it having yuri. I can deal with yuri (even outright stated, sometimes I even like it), and even certain Yaoi undertones (not directly though, yuck) because you can tell when someone is inserting it in bad faith or it is purely going to be trashy.I believe in God and such as well, but quoting the bible is way too heavy handed for shit like this and I agree that in that context it is off topic. Same for quoting statistics about how gays are bad for society generally, as well as logical arguments. This is /a/. Any argument regarding a series should only go as far as how deeply a series considers questions or poses them. Madoka is hardly poignant enough to start quoting the bible about. The characters are too flat to even bother debating subtext in Madoka. The characters are pretty one note in my memory but again it's been a while.It's been a while since I've seen Madoka but I remember it at the very least having heavy undertones for a one sided thing between Homura and Madoka, but I don't really care because Madoka wasn't as good as people say. Only vaguely related but if you want to see Madoka but actually good just watch Kamen Rider Gaim.>>290475933Emil still shows up even by the second to last episode and serves tea to Jullian and Reinhard both. pic relatedWhat do you mean "disappearing later"? I swear people stopped paying attention after the magician didn't return.
>>290475018I doubt anyone really has an agenda against you it's just that most people would rather kick the village idiot out of the tavern if he starts to rant about his special interest. Interpreting the world through the bible might have been socially acceptable and even encouraged a few centuries ago but having no frame of reference beside that and being unable to engage with anything except through your favourite 2000 years old fictional book is gonna get annoying to a secular society pretty fast. And even to a religious one I bet.
>>290475792You describe one way to structure a nation as if it’s the only way to structure a nation. I am almost certain that a society that prioritized hard work over nepotism would quickly see large improvements even without changing anything in regards to race makeup and the legality of consensual sexual acts. If anything, the real thing that would help people is cracking down on alcohol and other hard drugs. Those materials are actually degenerating society, unlike private sexual acts among consenting adults that you personally find “icky”.
>>290476013I didn't have stronge memories of him toward the end so I just believed the anon who said he disappeared kek, my bad. So there is no sus element left after all
>>290476053>hard workNot necessarily. Work smarter, not harder is applicable in many such cases. Rather than "hard work" people should be encouraged to be diligent, thorough, and plan for the future. As for racial makeup, people naturally segregate themselves into their own enclaves, so by having many races in the same nation you end up with different ethnic enclaves competing against and harming the native person, then when the native person is defeated they either leave back home since there is no more easy plunder, or fight amongst themselves. It is folly to encourage this or allow it. Furthermore, different races demonstrably have different characteristics. It isn't, not was it ever about skin color. THat was just the easiest way of identification. An albino african isn't seriously considered as "White" even though he literally is.For sexual acts, condoning sodomy is harmful to society because it treats a purely hedonistic activity as equal to a normal relationship which most importantly, bears children which is necessary for the continuation of society. If you treat non productive, non normal behavior that most people have inherent disgust towards as fully equal and productive, then you undermine the stability of your own nation, and further decadent behaviors sneak in. The same arguments for the legalization and homosexuality apply to hard drugs as well. Both should not be tolerated on a societal level. Perhaps you can excuse a close friend of it because of whatever personal circumstances he has, but as a society or in law you can never ever condone it or encourage it.>cracking down on alcoholAgreed. But you can't go too hard on alcohol and cigarettes without eroding your own national authority, sadly. You can do others. The best way to deal with things like that is to chance society from within rather than direct laws. Make them associated with being a fag, or some other thing that people don't want to be grouped up with in addition to health campaigns
>>290476083>So there is no sus element left after allNope. His nervousness is just because he is just some kid serving the most powerful man in the galaxy, not because he is secretly poisoning him. It's an amusing theory, but it has no real evidence and it basically just a wacky fan theory
>>290476179>the native personAre you part of the natives where you're from? >For sexual acts, condoning sodomy is harmful to society because it treats a purely hedonistic activity as equal to a normal relationship which most importantly, bears children which is necessary for the continuation of society. If you treat non productive, non normal behavior that most people have inherent disgust towards as fully equal and productive, then you undermine the stability of your own nation, and further decadent behaviors sneak inIf we wanted to follow that line of thinking you do understand sex for pleasure should be forbidden entirely right? And that we should put policemen and priests in the cuckchair of every bedroom to make sure no man ever gives his wife a pussy licking or a wife a blowjob to her husband because it's not a productive act? You people are ridiculous. How do you manage to breath on a daily basis with thoughts like that
>>290476303>>290476179Not to mention we should forbid sex to all the infertile
>>290476303>Are you part of the natives where you're from?By native I am using the definition of "the founding ethnic group and race of a nation", not some vague definition of "whoever was here the longest"Obviously there is more nuance to that but for the topic of Western society that is suitable.By that definition, yes. I am a White American for whom the laws were meant to apply to, to whom the future of the nation was intended to gravitate towards, and for whom they were written in mind for.>If we wanted to follow that line of thinking you do understand sex for pleasure should be forbidden entirely right?Yeah but that is unenforceable and not necessarily true. Children can still be conceived from normal couples at any time, and romance is necessary for a healthy family life. It's easy to not sign marriage papers for gays and give them full equal recognition or rights, to discourage them in society than to make dumb laws like that, and to not treat them as a normal couple (which in principle, though not always in individual cases, always have the option of producing kids directly and raising them in a normal environment). It's like giving rights to masturbators. It's incredibly non productive. Just do it and and don't tell other people if you want to so much. Society shouldn't subsidize your fetish, especially if it is one that encourages other dissonant behaviors like disease spreading and anti traditional behavior.You have to, as a government, recognize what is enforceable and what isn't. You cannot make laws based on every individuals sob story. You have to make them based on demographics and statistics and trust that judges can be fair with outliers. You have to implement policies that are going to be good for the average family.No matter what system you create people are going to fall through the cracks, unfortunately>>290476398Infertile relationships don't harm the fabric of society. No one can tell you are infertile by looking unless you are gay
>>290476179I believe your worldview is retrofitted from your initial belief in Christianity and not you coming to Christianity because you found it to be correct. That makes your other points come off as nonsensical, as love thy neighbor does objectively imply that you must love those that aren’t of other races. While people of different backgrounds can behave differently, this isn’t something determined by race. A black kid raised in a white suburb is going to act like “white”, a white kid raised in a black neighborhood is going to act “black”. Meet enough people and you learn that race doesn’t do much to determine anything in regards to personality or capacity to to integrate into society. The only real issue there is in group nepotism, which is solved by blind job applications. (As someone who enjoys fighting games, I can tell you race is a non-factor on who is going to win.) While the difference behaviorally between races is minimal if the two people come from a common culture, what is real is the fact are actually significant differences between the genders. Is this true in such a way where women can’t work? No, they are perfectly capable of work just as much as a man, it’s just that differences are actually present. Women are objectively better on average at social jobs where men are better at jobs that require physical labor. Like these are things that can be tested and proven true. This nonsense about a racially homogenous Christian society is not only a pipe dream, nobody would actually want to live in such a society outside the Amish and Mormons. What is going to happen in the west is what happened when the Roman Empire fell. America will fal apart and the pieces will be ruled by wealthy retarded oligarchs for a few centuries, just like in the medieval era.
>>290476436>I believe your worldview is retrofitted from your initial belief in Christianity and not you coming to Christianity because you found it to be correctPartially correct. I don't think any of the churches are correct and I am more of a Christian Deist, but I think it is the only logical conclusion and I would be one regardless of how I was raised regarding religion.>as love thy neighbor does objectively imply that you must love those that aren’t of other racesI do agree on that though. You can be cordial and friendly on a personal level but have different goals on a societal level.I don't know why people assume that you have to be an unfriendly, unhospitable asshole if you don't want to have ethnic chaos broadly. Individually, people can assimilate and be courteous. Demographically is a different matter.>A black kid raised in a white suburb is going to act like “white”Not true. Studies show time and time again that behavior and intelligence are most closely associated with genes than upbringing. Upbringing can help, but it can only do so much. Again, personal level vs societal level.>Meet enough people and you learn that race doesn’t do much to determine anything in regards to personality or capacity to to integrate into society.I find the opposite to be the case, and yet again, personal vs societal level>While the difference behaviorally between races is minimal if the two people come from a common culturelolThis is profoundly ignorant civic nationalism which is a modern construct devised to excuse the current state of affairs.>Women are objectively better on average at social jobsDepends what type.>This nonsense about a racially homogenous Christian society is not only a pipe dreamNot really. Historically it was the norm. America was at least 85% White at it's lowest point until 1965. Whether or not you personally think it's good is irrelevant, it is possible do demographic recovery if you are actually frim with different policies.
>>290476416Lots of words to say you are not a native. Oh wait, I knew that. Because the fabric of history is usually made of opposing legitimacies, conquest, and propaganda about who the land belongs to rather than a mere issue of who was born on the land first>>290476416So an infertile relationship is only harmful to society if people can tell? I must remember to hunt down anyone who mentioned a failed fertility treatmen when I conquer the world.
>>290476570>whether or not you personally think it's good is irrelevant, it is possible do demographic recovery if you are actually frim with different policies.Just say it: genocide. You guys have such an easy time saying the most horrible things but you will still tip toe around the obvious end result of your ideology. I don't know whether you're genuinely not aware of it of just trying to make the idea more palatable to your fellow idiots but it's genuinely annoying.
>>290476960I am a native of the nation of the United States of America. I'm just assuming you were going to say "erm actually you aren't a featherhead" like that's some kind of gotcha. The red man did not form the fabric of the United States of America nor were they the intended population of the nation, nor were the laws made with them in mind.>So an infertile relationship is only harmful to society if people can tell?Are you just playing dumb or are you actually dumb? In principle, woman and man naturally make kids. As a natural process. Gays cannot. Gays are essentially masturbators but more destructive because they actively want to warp society to their whims and make excuses for their behavior and pretend it is normal. This among other things like disease spreading and anti traditionalism.>>290476991Genocide isn't necessary though. That implies that we would follow them home and finish them off. Cut off remittances, kick out everyone who is non White and came here after 1965 and doesn't have full ancestry prior to that, repeal that unconstitutional law that enabled the move, repeal the Civil Rights Act, and make it government policy that the US must be at least 85% White native. Badda bing badda boom. If they want to be violent about it, that's on them. We don't owe them anything and unlike them we have no where to run back to.I will be willing to be violent if they don't leave peaceably. But that's only if they don't leave. Maybe give them a hard year time limit. No reason for it if they are reasonable. But if they were reasonable they wouldn't be mass invading places they don't belong and abusing systems made in good faith. It's pretty clear which nations are barbarian invaders and which ones are actual allies just by looking at where we are being invaded from the most
>>290451100The theory makes no sense because it requires whoever plotted it to anticipate several difficult to predict events. Emil was just a random cabin boy who Reinhard bumped into and said some inspiring words to because he sort of looks like Kircheis. But what is often forgotten is that it was Hilde's idea to make him Reinhard's personal servant. And keep in mind, this happened during operation Ragnarok, which only the highest ranking admirals had any real knowledge of beforehand. So somebody would have planted a teenage boy in the officer quarters of the imperial flagship during a massive military campaign and trust him to get Reinhard's attention. And Hilda couldn't have done it unless there is some extremely unreliable narraration going on in all of her scenes. Maybe he could have been hired to poison him after getting hired, but then Yang suspecting him during the meeting wouldn't make any sense.
>>290477100It doesn't make sense for a lot of reasons
>>290477064>I am a native of the nation of the United States of America. I'm just assuming you were going to say "erm actually you aren't a featherhead" like that's some kind of gotchaYou didn't need to tell me, do you really think I would have asked if you were a native if I didn't smell a wasp under that thin veneer of christian nationalism? I just wanted to throw the contradiction in your teeth but I see you guys have the ready made cope of the "founding ethnic group and race of a nation" kek, it's hilarious. You guys are such a joke. The flat I live in is older than your whole country. Calm down and release a few farts into the air, you're gonna explode>Genocide isn't necessary though. That implies that we would follow them home and finish them off. Forced deportation is in itself an act of genocide regardless, retard. You seem to know about "featherheads" so maybe you know about the trail of tears. >It's pretty clear which nations are barbarian invaders and which ones are actual allies just by looking at where we are being invaded from the mostWho made a hole in your head and fucked it
>>290477064>federal ethnostatewhy not implement those ideas in one state? just go all ayn rand and move all productive whites to say Nebrasca and watch the multicultural hellscapes of California, Florida, New York and Texas impoverish over the weight of having to support all those foreign moochers.
>>290477201>ready made copeIt's not cope. There wasn't a country before the White man got here, just squabbling tribes. I would make the same argument for Roman era Germanics pre Romanization.I don't know why you hate ethnic Whites so much and want to deny them a place they can call their own. Why should they be forced to live amongst people they don't want to exactly? Because it brings ethno-masochists pleasure? Anyone who wants to live amongst other peoples is free to move, there is no need to import it and force everyone to deal with it.>The flat I live in is older than your whole countryI don't care. I do find it interesting that a lot of Europeans/foreigners have this perception that Americans are insecure about the age of their nation when most don't really care. >Forced deportation is in itself an act of genocide regardless, retardNo it isn't. Maybe if it is a foreign power who doesn't set aside accommodations and land imposing it on natives, but the US allowed reservations and gives them plenty of privileges in the modern era.>You seem to know about "featherheads" so maybe you know about the trail of tears.We made great lengths to forcibly move them without killing them to the last man. It wasn't a genocide. Intentionally spreading pox and the like was though. But there in lies my point that the founders never considered them "American", and neither should you. It is intellectually dishonest.>Who made a hole in your head and fucked itNot an argumentCan we get back to talking about LotGH instead of you trying to convert me to the church of post WW2 morality please?>>290477251Libertarianism is retarded is why. Also this is called the Butler plan and it's unrealistic and unethical for many reasons. Firstly because it is abandoning the land of your progeny to barbarians, secondly because it is unfeasible to get so many people to move to influence politics, thirdly because it provides a clear easy target for the powers that be to dismantle
Why do women like mass murderers so much?
The Imperial fighter pilots were cool as fuck. I wish we got a Poplan on the Imperial side
>>290477303>I don't know why you hate ethnic Whites so much and want to deny them a place they can call their own. I despise all supremacisms and ethno states, you're not special. >Why should they be forced to live amongst people they don't want to exactly? Because we all do, it's part of being an adult. I don't like the chud living down my street either, doesn't mean I want to kill him or deport him to russia. I'm not a big baby so I know there will always be people around me whose beliefs I don't approve of. >I do find it interesting that a lot of Europeans/foreigners have this perception that Americans are insecure about the age of their nation when most don't really care. Mostly I think it's just that we associate braindead nationalism with the weight of history yet your brand of nationalism is easily one of the most campy and overblown despite your country being merely 200 years old, it's just funny. Like a frog full of air. >We didn't mean to kill them they just died during the transportStill a genocide
>>290476013This type of people is why we can not have nice things.>“it’s not that deep, bro“>you should be kicked out for using heavy handed stuffYou are literally the type of person who would have been proud that you killed Christ because he started going around telling people that scripture actually was that deep and that actually it did matter.The only solace I have in life, knowing that people are like this, is that I know that an eternal hell with eternal torture exists. And no, you do not believe in God.
>>290477706>I despise all supremacismsClearly not since you are content to allow other ethnicities to come here and form enclaves. All you are doing is importing foreign supremacism which will lead to an inevitable clash. Both between natives and foreigners, and foreigners and other foreigners. It already happens.>Because we all do, it's part of being an adultlolNo it isn't. It is childish naiveté to force different groups together and just expect them to get along. All it does is force conflict and chaos and destroys societal trust and unity.>Mostly I think it's just that we associate braindead nationalism with the weight of historyJingoism =/ nationalism. Nationalism is earned national pride and a fierce defense of traditions that matter, jingoism is blind fanaticism. I don't know why you are in a thread for this show, you don't strike me as a type of person who really understands nuance and circumstance. Just knowledge of post war propaganda that we have all seen and, thankfully, most are finally beginning to move past>Still a genocideI disagree>>290477785>You are literally the type of person who would have been proud that you killed ChristI'm not Jewish.Christ used the methods he used because of the time he was in. You admit God has a plan, as any believer should, ergo his methods perfectly matched the time he was in to spread Christianity at the optimal rate, which would eventually drop many of the Jewish aspects in favor of Roman ones, like the use of the Roman calendar over the Jewish one and the Europeanization of the religion. All according to plan. Brilliant, and I approve, because further developments and understands led to what I think as well. What I think will eventually lead to further developments. Truly wonderful>you do not believe in GodI do. Religion is a personal matter so I think it is immoral to force it on others. You should guide them, not force them. If you explain well enough, the rational come to faith through contemplation
STOPYou may no longer post in this thread without saying at least something about LotGH in your post. Topic of discussion: You are in charge of a 13 episode comedy series set during the run of the show. Neither Reinhard nor Yang may show up on screen. What sort of episodes could you write for this?
>>290478128>What sort of episodes could you write for this?Bam, already mentioned >>290477673Also I've been trying to stay on topic and even been posting random stuff to try and draw the thread back on topic this other fag won't shut up with his propaganda that we've all heard a billion times from every major institution as if it is some profound thoughts that have never been uttered before
>>290477912>clearly not since you are content to allow other ethnicities to come here and form enclavesForming communities of similar people is different from proclaiming one of those communities is above the rest while those who do not belong to it should be deported outside or have less rights. The former is a human tendency, the later is supremacism. >All you are doing is importing foreign supremacism which will lead to an inevitable clash. You're just projecting your ideology on others. > It is childish naiveté to force different groups together and just expect them to get along. All it does is force conflict and chaos and destroys societal trust and unity.Nobody expects everyone to get along, just not to kill each other and to resolve conflict peacefully through discussion, elections, and the law. But I get that it's harder to achieve in the US with all those guns lying around. >Nationalism is earned national prideIsn't pride always a sin according to your book? Why is it suddenly ok? Also, earned? Most people are taking pride in a hollowed out caricature of their country, and in events they weren't even born to witness. It's even less earned than the morons who take pride in their being born rich or beautiful. It's not pride in their own abilities or in something they worked on, it's a paltry substitute. It's not earned. >I don't know why you are in a thread for this show, you don't strike me as a type of person who really understands nuance and circumstance.Says the guy who wants a nuanced genocide
>>290478128My bad, Oberstein kaka
>>290469350Autopilot and automation obviously does exist, it just can't reach the same level of flexibility or responsiveness as humans do. Yang pulls that move in the pilot episode where he, Attenborough, and the captain of the ship command a squad of several crusiers in a decoy move, but they can't fight back against the battleships sent to destroy them, all they can effectively do is pilot the ship.
>>290478211>Forming communities of similar people is different from proclaiming one of those communities is above the restWhat is your opinions about no go zones? Sharia police in Muslim enclaves? Israel vs Palestine protests in Western nation when the average person in the West is utterly unaffected by it and is an enemy of both sides?They come to the west and pretty blatantly ignore our laws and the two tier policing protects them. Both in Europe and America. Most of the non White foreigners. You cry about what Whites do but don't hold their nations (which are way more homogeneous) to the same standard.>You're just projectingNo I'm not. They literally say this, do this, and brag about it constantly.>Nobody expects everyone to get alongThen stop fucking allowing them to come here you imbecile. They aren't White westerners. They don't have the same egalitarian delusional mindset as you. They are playing on your pity to get free shit and worsening your communities and nations. They just think you are an idiot who is allowing yourself to be fucking scammed>muh gunsbro, just stop. You are embarrassing yourself. The whole point of guns is that people will be able to resist their corrupt governments and have the right to defend themselves. If you have mass shootings, it is due to other issues. Same for mass stabbings or grenade/acid attacks like Europe>Isn't pride always a sinExcessive pride, yes. Not all pride. Also I don't slavishly think the bible is infallible so that isn't going to work on me regardless. Language is inherently a flawed method of communication because bad faith faggots like you will always twist words to suit your meaning instead of operating in the spirit of what is said>Most people are taking pride in a hollowed out caricatureMost people are not happy with their governments in the modern day. Modern globalism and anti White diversity fucking ruined every nation it touched. nation =/ government>nuanced genocideBad faith argument
>>290477673That was Kempf's background, but then he just got promoted to admiral.
>>290450947>Yang fights the benevolent autocracy because he knows it will inevitably become a corrupt autocracy and that a corrupt democracy is objectively preferable to that.Except it isn't.Corrupt democracy is worse on average.
>>290478547We haven't even hit the greasy bottom on how depraved democracies can get eitherSome even claim there is no bottom
>>290478211>>290478435Did you not hear Fleet Admiral Oberstein's command?
>>290478569I'm hitting char limit and I'm still posting other stuff >>290478564Blame the other fag who won't just take the L and demands that all White western societies kill themselves to satiate his desire to have some retarded, White savior moral high ground
>>290451656You are faggot and a retard.Love does not require sexsual relationship.
>>290478128You know that Kaiji spin-off about Tonegawa struggling as a middle-manager? Have it be Oberstein instead. Could be funny.
>>290450947>He’s based on the idea of what the best possible case scenario of a monarch looks likeI wouldn't go that far. He is great, but there is a conceptual one that is better. Reinhard is driven a bit too much by ego and is a bit wasteful of lives at times to be "the best possible case".Honestly, if it were somehow permitted, Kircheis would have been better because he didn't have the battle thirst that Reinhard did. Hildegard was also better as a ruler imo and saves Reinhard's ass more than once
>>290472164Because your noble lord can do whatever the fuck he wants with you. If he's chill and treats you well? Cool, you get lucky. If he's a power tripping retard who wants your sister, or just doesn't like your face today, you're fucked. And if you do somehow manage to kill him you're going to get strung up anyway for killing a noble, only other nobles get to do that with their shitty political machinations.
>>290478484That's neat. I've only seen the main series so if that is anywhere else I never saw it.
>>290478569I apologized already >>290478246>>290478591> demands that all White western societies kill themselves to satiate his desire to have some retardedYou're right in the sense that the more I talk to you the more I think it wouldn't be so bad. No big loss for humanity
>>290478689>You're right in the sense that the more I talk to you the more I think it wouldn't be so bad. No big loss for humanityOkay, White savoir sama. Uplift the poor non Whites who are not enlightened by your post war propagandized total egalitarian ideology. Replace their barbaric ideology with your 100% correct one. I'm sure no one has tried that beforeWhite man's burden, amirite?>>290478748It's a shame Lang had to exist and completely fuck up everything between Reunthal and everyone else
>>290478128Yes Minister but they're bureaucrats in the alliance and they get more and more depressed as the FPA slowly crumbles around them. S1 covers the invasion and coup, S2 covers the rest until Ragnarok and Yang's flight.
>>290478664At least you know who is accountable for good or ill treatment and to act accordingly. There are so many layers of bureaucracy and corruption when it comes to democracies that it's hard to even tell who the fuck to hold accountable for being lazy/corrupt/incompetent/malicious/whatever when things don't go your way. Like think, who the fuck would you blame for, say, flock cameras? There are so many people that directly make those decisions and indirectly effect them that you basically cannot know the full extent of the corruption
>>290478758>It's a shame Lang had to exist and completely fuck up everything between Reunthal and everyone elseI vacillate between thinking that Oberstein and his shenanigans created more problems than they solved and accepting that he did nothing wrong by getting rid of everything that would have caused trouble for the dynasty upon Reinhard's death. Much like Reinhard himself Reuenthal was not built for peace, even with his buddy Mittermeyer to hold his leash. And Yang had to go sooner or later, forcing the issue early prevented him from fermenting a real rebellion in Alliance space.
>>290478828>Much like Reinhard himself Reuenthal was not built for peaceThat's true.Reuenthal at least died satisfied, with the exception of not being able to meet his friend one final time.Oberstein was right, as always, and now that I think about it even if he did use Lang as a sacrificial pawn for the purpose of killing Reuenthal, he gave him the chance to die in battle instead of killing him outright through an "accident" or something. Though it was ambiguous if Oberstein actually planned for Lang to do that or if he was just giving him enough rope to hang himself
>>290478884It's not touched upon, but it's obvious that Reuenthal would have couped the dynasty at Reinhard's death. He wouldn't have rebelled while Reinhard was still alive except through the circumstances he was forced into, but with his own son in the mix I doubt he would have been satisfied with anything but the highest position. Hilda wouldn't be able to do anything against him, Oberstein's skill is in subterfuge not open warfare, and while there's diehard loyalists like Mueller who would have battled for the the dynasty, most of the admirals, especially the younger ones would have gone over to Reuenthal. Maybe Mittermeyer would have fought his friend and eked out a win, but you still have a destructive civil war that wastes even more resources and creates continual instability going forward. The ending is probably the best the galaxy is going to get.
>>290478608Actually would make more sense for that guy Oberstein made his secretary after the civil war. Oberstein is simply too implacable in most cases.
>>290479028Good point but I do think it underplays a bit a certain element in the Imperial ranks. Consider Merkatz. His entire thing was being, frankly, pointlessly loyal to a dynasty which had essentially created him. I can imagine a good deal of Reinhard's top guys remaining loyal in the same way to Hilda and little Ziggy. Definitely Mittermeyer, Bittenfeld, Kessler, and Wahlen. Probably Mecklinger too... Honestly of the big-name admirals still alive at the end Muller is the only one I can see siding with Reuental, being young and ambitious. And, of course, a LOT of the lesser commanders like those guys who'd been in the academy with Reinhard. I could see the formerly-Fahrenheit half of Bittenfeld's force rebelling though.
>>290473685Agree with most of what you said. That is why improvement seems so unlikely.
>>290475610It started that way but it got joked to the point of becoming real enough to warp minds and interpersonal relationships of way too many people. It is reminiscent of the Tupak Shakur situation. He was just a zesty little gay nigger theatre kid and larped as a gangster to the point he ends up dying in street crime like a real G. People joked male intimacy as gayness to the point that male intimacy is now denied to many.
>>290476303You can socially stigmatize and prohibit by law homosexual activity. It is not ridiculous, it is the state of each strong civilization for thousands of years, including ours mere decades ago.>HaHa you can't possibly do what is normal throughout all of history including living memory right here, you are so ridiculous.
>>290478672The Gaidens are a lot of fun, though it's a little hard to stay invested because the stakes are comparatively low.
>>290479938I always felt a bit disappointed with the Gaidens. Yang's prison adventures weren't that great. Wish we'd gotten some time with an assistant professor Yang or something instead, some little gig he had between making his name and the start of the series.
>>290478128A womanizing bachelor sitcom with Poplan and Schonkopf in the vein of Two and a Half Men and Joey.
>>290479804>if I paint the roses white the rain wil fall and our crops will flourishConservative magical thinking is quite something.
>>290478128hjinks between Cazellnu and Yang household.
>>290478128Idea one:Two low level Soldiers on Iserlohn. Every time it changes hands they also switch sides. With each switch they somehow get promoted. Idea two:Workplace Sitcom set on a random battleship, in a mockumentary style. They always try to stay out of the most dangerous part of most battles, which however never works and they are part of all famous ones.
Do you think there was more exciting history made after the show ends, or since Oberstein resoundingly answered the space JQ and all the factions decisively acted them, then everyone lived happily ever after? United under a von Lowengramm dynasty? Separate but no longer at existential war? Everyone lured into democracy and thus fated to once again collapse into degeneracy and tyranny?
>>290481266A Hildegard regency could be just the thing to convince them to unite.>Look you dumb liberal cucks, a woman is in charge, you love this shit.
>>290478128Bittenfeld hijinks featuring Oberstein and some run-ins with the FPAs mains like Attenborough and Poplan
>>290478128Bittenfeld breaks the leg of an opera dancer in a pub and it turns out he was hired for an original production Mecklinger sponsored for Reinhard's sake. Mecklinger accepts the apology if he promises to replace the dancer in the production.
>>290481266The story's all about the deeds of men being the same throughout history, so there was definitely something much the same that happened later on a similar scale. Maybe they figured out how to make artificial intelligence or something, but who knows.Something that'd been widespread later would be stuff like energy shields, which the empire was only recently rolling out. Who knows where things could've done, but I feel like the only way things turn out different is if tech advances where it changes society.Should be noted that they didn't seem to have the kind of internet we do, so there's not much in the sense of fucking with civilization social health.
>>290481631>>290482629Unity could make Kaiser Alexander weep for their being no more worlds to conquer. Wait, were there still space zionists on Earth? Maybe crusades are the future. Everything old is new again.
>>290443009both are bi, but they were more gay than straight
>>290443353it could not be more obvious that they are gayit is currebnt year you can not get away with ignoring blatant 20th century homoeroticism any longer
>>290450637they came from /pol/ and must go back
>>290484601If you saw Reinhard's ACTUAL reaction to feeling romantic interest leading up to proposing to Hilda and then looked at his relationship with Kircheis and thought these looked similar, you're a nitwit.
>>290461896offtopic but I reread that recently and you fuckers can't gaslight me on this, it's SO GAY, It's not even subtext they say the gayest shit imaginable and have an open conversation about forming a threeway relationship with Sam's girlfriend at the end but Sam is too conservative and trad so Frodo leaves the continentThere's literally no way around it, they were explicitly in an intimate, homoerotic and romantic relationship, the movies toned the gay WAY downpeople don't want to admit it but these sorts of male-male intimate relationships were extremely common in British society at the time
>>290462899what a dumbass take try posting again when you're not mentally 12
>>290484692Even Hilda knows she was second place to Kircheis, try harder
>>290485001Bros before hoes after all.
>>290478664Everything you said about the Noble lord being able to do whatever he wants also applies to the 3rd world savages imported to most democracies by the """democratically elected""" politicians, except there's millions of them instead of your local handful of Nobles.
>>290484692you jest but Reinhards courtship of Hilda was extremly based: he one-shots her, he puts himself out there and then somehow there's a situation where Hildegard feels comfortable saying no to the most powerful man in the universe despite the fact that her status and position is tied to his favor. all the while the spectre of oberstein hovers in the background to make sure mein kaiser isn't treated like a bitch.
>>290484601Maybe it's a hot take but plenty of japanese media is written with shit like yaoi appeal to draw in an audience but as >>>290484692 says the actual romantic reaction Reinhard had with Hilda was way different. You could arguably say Kircheis was like platonic love.
>>290485912Obviously Reinhard and Kircheis loved each other. Just like most twin brothers love each other. And hell, for Kircheis I think it really was the love of a brother in a healthy sense. Reinhard? Honestly, Odin love him, but he loved Kirchies and Annerose both in ways that were a bit unhealthy. Not sexually, just a obvious dependency of the sort which is very unusual. But was it sexual? Desired or acted upon?Ignoring the fact that nothing in the series outright supports it, fujoshi might claim that it's all obvious subtext. But frankly I think the WAY MORE OBVIOUS subtext is that Reinhard had zero interest in sex. At all. I don't think Reinhard ever masturbated in his life. Not once. If you just examine his actual personality for a second I don't know how you can honestly say that THIS GUY isn't an almost-asexual autist. If either one of them had "come onto" the other, I imagine that other would react like you would if your brother came onto you.
>>290486308>obvious dependencyThat always was my take as well.Reinhards' and Annerose's father is displayed... negatively. Then again, if a lowly Landsknecht (or was it "Landsritter? I digress) is ordered to hand his daughter over to the palace, what else can he do but take the money and drink his impotence (of power) away?Kircheis at that point, was heavily infatuated by the gentle sister of his headstrong but sympathetic neighbour - a strong friendship already reminiscent of "village familiy" bonds of older times. Reinhard, now without the stable footing that his sister gave him, obviously reaches out - and Kircheis is there to answer and support his gambit.While it is obvious that Reinhard is heavily dependant on both of them, Kircheis' loyalty is key to their dynamic. Then again, Reinhard is obviously a reinterpretation of his namesake, the lion-prince of england. Given that most of the strategically sound but ethically deplorable tactics and appointments of the new reich stem from oberstein, a man empowered by Kircheis' fate? The viewer clearly knows where Reinharts heart lies, and only without his two confidants out of reach, he starts his more... jaded judgements. Sometimes even bemoaning that he only has to act in this way, because no-one else can take his place.
>>290478547It literally isn’t because with corrupt democracy there’s still the chance to recover. Under a corrupt dictatorship you are just fucked.
>>290477064What you want doesn’t matter because it isn’t going to happen. Like I said, your white ethnostate bs is a pipe dream. Nobody with power or anywhere near power would ever attempt such a thing and most people who want a white ethnostate are too dysgenic themselves to do anything about it. Racists are generally the worst examples of their own race.
>>290487919>its afraid
>>290443431>Reinhard fucked a woman. Not gay.Many a gay man has a wife and kids, anon.
>>290443009>he doesnt tell his bros about the stars in their eyesNo homo at all, no sir.
>>290464300Prove it l.
>>290487919>Like I said, your white ethnostate bs is a pipe dreamNot really. I hold non Whites to the same standard. They should be the supreme authority in their own homeland (unless they pose a severe danger to others). We should be in our homelands and nations we built.Also most non Whites admit that they want to return home one day, they are only here for free shit. The entire situation keeping them here is utterly artificial and propped up by billions of dollars for no tangible benefit to the nations that partake in this scheme except labor being cheaper which isn't a good thing for anyone besides people who are already obscenely rich and don't need more.>>290479938I'm a bit hesitant to watch them because I've seen one too many series where expansions on a series makes it worse and not better, and because frankly the mainline story does "need" expansion in my book
>>290480824It sucks that people like you have hijacked the concept of "progressivism" from finding ways to benefit society to match the changing technology into complete moral hedonism. And you don't even know it. Progressives of earlier eras would be horrified that you want to destroy their people
>>290484922Wow man, you totally OWNED me
>>290489401>it’s afraid The world the Christian nationalist want won’t exist. Everyone in power positions that they like is just using them for their own gain. Like Tucker Carlson for example. He doesn’t actually believe in anything. He just knows that he was born in a position of power and that it’s better to be the person with the boot instead of the person underneath the heel. The “based white Christian ethnostate” idea is a pipe dream. If you want to live in a society like that, you either have to become Amish or Mormon. It’s possible to find it yourself, but it’s impossible to put your dream onto others. I just think it’s better that people live in rational reality over spiraling in their own psychotic delusions.
>>290491102So people should be in their homelands, but I bet as as Christian’s you wouldn’t want people to go back to their home religions. Christianity is a desert religion. White people had different gods that aligned more with our nature.
>>290491416>but I bet as as Christian’s you wouldn’t want people to go back to their home religionsChristianity is our home religion. We have bent it so much that it is completely different than it was when it was "Jewish" to the point that all the Jewish things about it are vestigalWe don't use the Jewish calendar, celebrate Jewish holidays, follow Jewish dietary laws, follow Jewish customs regarding "rest days", kosherness, Jewish interpretation of biblical laws, etc.The only real similarity is monotheism now.Religion is secondary to me because frankly I am convinced I can posit an argument convincing enough to most people to consider Christianity. If you aren't confident that your faith can recover from crisis, then you aren't a believer
>>290480824Conservatives are too blind to see the contradictions in their own belief systems. And the fact that not a single one of their politicians that they vote for over and over again has their best interest in mind. ‘The rich aren’t evil because they’re rich, it’s only bad when they’re nonwhite’ despite rich people all behaving in identical parasitic manners. You’d think the average person would be pragmatic enough to understand that the guy who says “we should raise wages and make housing affordable”, is probably the best guy for them. Living in a rural area under Trump, it’s insane how many farmers I’ve seen have to sell their family farms despite voting for the man. It’s almost like the New York real estate agent didn’t care about farmers, who knew!
>>290491546>rich people all behaving in identical parasitic mannersYou don't even believe this because you support them bringing in millions of non Whites with their NGOs and government influence.>Conservatives are too blind to see the contradictions in their own belief systemsAssuming you mean conservative liberals. The kind who believe in democracy being a holy system that should be preserved at all costs. In that case you are right. Just like you are blind to yours. Both sides in our democracies are awful and basically want the same things at different paces
>>290484890Tolkien would look at this post and lament that the Nazis didn't win and realize he was wrong
OP here, just wanted to thanks eberyone for making my 1st BIG anime thread totes spesh.
>>290491829It's fucked up how often this scenario actually occurs in history
>>290491545Most people don’t believe in a Christian god, especially the youth. That whole “youth Christian revival” stat that Kirk and others would spread was extremely misleading. Here’s what the stats actually said:>Millenials who already attend church do so on average about 12 times a year. Amongst Gen Z, that number is 13 times a yearSo the stat was only about people that already attend church and believe in god. There is no “coming to god movements” in the west. The west is just becoming more atheistic as generations pass. Like I said, if you want a Christian nationalist analogue within the nation, either become Amish or Mormon, because both of those are actually growing in population.
>>290491102>expansions on a series makes it worse and not better,Some of the stories may be lower paced because neither Yang nor Reihard command massive fleets or are in a position to change the course of history much and Tomiyama Kei being unable to reprise the role of Yang hurts, but the Gaidens do wonders for the world building and by expanding on relationships that were much shallower in the original OVA series. >>290480083>I always felt a bit disappointed with the Gaidens. Yang's prison adventures weren't that great. Some of the stories were so-so, but the Rosenritter backstory and the 730's Maffia were generally much better than anything the PFA storyline had to offer after The Magician Doesn't Return.
>>290491862>Most people don’t believe in a Christian god, especially the youth.I don't really care about that and there are bigger fish to fry at the moment regarding society. Again, for me is a personal choice and I'm pretty close to a Christian Deist rather than some hardline zealot who thinks it is by far the biggest issue in society. Religion serves as a positive binding agent for society, which is why God even bothered to let himself be known, but society is so divided and broken that religion doesn't really perform it's societal function at the moment, which is why it is more personal.Also at least anecdotally, I somewhat doubt this data. Both from people ~5 years younger than me and from people older than me. Also myself. I've only stepped foot in a church like 3 times in my life. Most people don't really have faith in the institutions and see them as corrupt in my experience and when I have asked.>>290491939>Tomiyama Kei being unable to reprise the role of Yang hurtsHoly shit I hadn't even considered that. That makes me want to watch it even less.Maybe I will one day, but I'm mightily satisfied with how LotGH turned out already and I'm not the type of person who thinks a series always needs "more"
>>290492038My point is that you don’t get a Christian nationalist nation with christian morals without the population actually being Christian. Every year more and more people are fine with people being gay. Your perspective is just against the trend, so it’s unfeasible to actually do anything you’d want to do.
>>290491855the subtitle is ackshually about reuenthal but i misrepresent it, just looks cooler with reinhardo in cape and epaulets garb being all naughty (he wood neber irl)
>>290492494>My point is that you don’t get a Christian nationalist nation with christian morals without the population actually being ChristianTrue to a point. I don't expect things to get better overnight even in my most ideal scenario regarding politics, religion, private sector, etc. It takes hard work to build and maintain a society worth living in, but those changes will begin to push society in the right direction instead of this aimless moral hedonism.>Every year more and more people are fine with people being gay.You are pretty out of touch if you actually think this.The average blue collar man has never been more disgusted by the concept, and people have massive fatigue against all of that shit to begin with. I think that you stay in echochambers that reinforce that opinion, both IRL and online.Like if that polling would be done in a school, a lot of people would not even answer truthfully because there is intense institutional pressure to have the "correct" opinion on it, and they throw the book at you for being hateful if you don't march in lockstep with them. But that power is also slowly waning.Like, I don't think you understand the sheer amount of online censorship that happens that forces this narrative to begin with. How many billions are poured into censorship and manufacturing this narrative and can be tracked to places like blackrock, central banking, large corporations, nepotistic webs in establishment, etc.
>>290492682>the subtitle is ackshually about reuenthalI am aware. I'm saying it is fucked up how often the scenario happens where someone is set up to be a traitor by a bad actor, then decides fuck it I have nothing more to lose anyway
>>290492684Anon, most people know a gay person or have a gay person somewhere in their family. Even if it’s a “they’re one of the good ones” situation, people are more tolerant of people being gay than ever. Hell, you have openly gay republicans now. The only way you could believe otherwise is if you li in a bubble and don’t talk to people in real life.
>>290491939i like the gaidens moar for this reason.>best animation>BIG questions? answered>bros being brosso glad the nipponese made them>>290492697didnt reindaddy subconsciously want reuenthal to rebel though?
>>290492946The fact that you are willing to me cordial is explicitly why change won’t happen, because change comes with struggle. It comes when your back is to a cliff and you have no other options. The fact that you tolerate it is also the reason why it will never change, because tolerance is easy, and like you, 99% of people always prefer the path of least resistance.
>>290493124It's because society still puts on the façade of cordiality. As standards change for the worse, the taboo on violence will be lifted. I'm more than prepared for either scenario where you faggots admit you are wrong and the change in power happens peacefully, or you cling onto power by your nails and you have to be forced out.You don't seem to understand that most people who would be ready to fight don't do it only because their families haven't gotten that extreme yet, because unfortunately people need to experience how bad things will get before they actually take measures against it or admit wrong doing.Your arrogance about how you have already won and how there won't even be a fight, frankly, betrays that same complacent attitude in you. I'm ready to fight a long hard struggle as soon as circumstances demand it. Are you?
>>290492946what was your favorite gaiden?for me, its the mutineer
>>290459630>we can assume that the older settled planets still have lots of non-krauts on them who simply don't have any political power, even in Reinhard's new order, and who might not all dress like it's 1799.That's correct, the FPA started from mining colonies on the fringe of the Empire that had a mix of ethnicities.>>290476179The problem with trying to outright wipe out things like homosexuality and drugs is that it breeds intense resentment among the sliver of population that really likes those things and they get converted into radicals who want to tear the system down. A better approach is to facilitate a sanctioned counterculture where a person can go to do that stuff but at the cost that they'll never be accepted in the mainstream culture. You don't give them gay marriage and say it's the same as a man and a woman, but you give them a place where they can do their thing out of the way of normal people.>>290477251If you attempt this the government will obliterate it with overwhelming force.
>>290493704why not watch Gaiden?
>>290494049I detail it here >>290492038>Holy shit I hadn't even considered that. That makes me want to watch it even less.>Maybe I will one day, but I'm mightily satisfied with how LotGH turned out already and I'm not the type of person who thinks a series always needs "more"
>>290494096it is VERY annoying as the new VA isnt even close, but most of the stories are about Reinchad. you can skip a few of the Yang ones. are you going to "stick it out" in Weimerica despite the conditions?
>>290491157Progressism is a meaningless buzzword hijacked by techbros and pro business neoliberals while moral hedonist is what the morons who want to lock women in basements to serve as baby machines call normal people who think maybe role playing your own life according to a 2000 years old bedtime story is a bad idea.And if Rousseau the deadbeat in a ménage à trois thinks I'm a terrible person for thinking so then I'm flattered
>>290443009It was an ideal friendship between MEN like Griffith/Guts
>>290493231It’s not a facade. If you are cordial, you’re tolerant. That’s it.
Kircheis is the only character ever where him dying was so early into the series, but I still wished he was alive 60+ episodes later. Every time a character theorizes how much better the world would have been if he were still alive I want to jump off a cliff.
>>290495106>as it has always menBeen, I mean. Honestly most women shouldn't be in the workforce either. It lowers wages and destroys the birthrate
sure got schizo here
>>290495141Or you could just improve the birth rate by giving people universal free child care. It isn’t work that stops people from having kids, it’s affordability.
>>290484601>>290484890These views are from the mind breaking social engineering. You are misunderstanding how intimate males could/can be. They can be romantic without sexuality. Romanticism is not inherently sexual. With my best friend in our youth all the girls thought we were their RL fujo but it simply is not like that at all.
>>290497742yeah, foids just don't know that no homo means no homo
>>290497008>Still thinks one side in politics is fair and noble and fighting against evil.ngmi
>>290498065why is it always republicans that insist that the other guys are as bad as them?
>>290498085Because the guys who believe in guardian angels, American manifest destiny, and the legitimacy of the state of Israel are still less delusional than retards who believe in welfare states, socialism or gender equality, by several orders of magnitude in fact.t. Not an Amerishart.
>>290491821Tolkien went to boy's school, in that time that meant institutional systematic gay rape
This is how Annerose feels when you call gay the man that was going to save her from being a used up 26 year old hag. Hasn't she been through enough? I think you owe her an apology.
>>290498566No way man. They lined all the boys up and just raped away? They took them aside at orientation? What was the system for making sure each and every boy was raped? This is how middle and better class boys were treated? Did their parents mind? And then after experiencing that he thought it was a cool thing to imply between his friendly male characters?
>>290484890You didn't read the book. Frodo and Sam were nowhere near to nip homo levels you get in anime. For them, the "hey this is normal friendship" defense is actually true.Tolkien doesn't come from background like ancient Rome/Greece where fucking young boys was considered normal. Japan is such background though (oh those samurai, kek).
>>290498977It's always strange when you read that appeal to history as an argument for alphabet soup people's acceptance, because basically all the major examples of historical societies that supposedly accepted homosexuality entailed relationships that would be considered rape, paedophilia, grooming and predatory by today standards, which is why not even actual political activist homos use them anymore.
>>290498065I don’t think one side is more noble. I think pragmatic solutions are the best ones. At least fiscally, those solutions tend to show up on the left because the right and center are more about wealth accumulation than societal improvement.
>>290500199They also accepted straight sex that would be considered rape.
was this directed at someone itt?
>>290451269>Democracy is just all around the better alternative for people in themselves long runThis is the dumbest thing ever.
>>290498436It doesn't matter whether you believe in welfare states or not, they exist. It's like saying "I don't believe in sewers" because you've lived your whole life in a place that never had any.
>>290443431Back in the day where family values were important, even more so for those of more important lineages, gays still had a wife and kids.Having progeny is an obligation, and so was the wife in this case, they'd then have their gay flings on the side. (Which honestly isn't really different from straight people who also didn't marry for love)
>>290497008Why not just have grandparents do it and let the parents decide whether they want to pay for a daycare or keep the money and let family watch the kids?
>>290502100It is. Corrupt autocracy is just objectively worse for the average person than corrupt democracy.
>>290492725Faggotry has always been and always will be frowned down on. At it's core, it's a hedonistic and degenerate behavior. There's a zero virtue in being a faggot. There's nothing to admire about it. And when you get into actual specifics in how it's being practiced - it's gross. A healthy person does not engage in homosexuality and there's always something wrong with a faggot.
>>290502274Because as we all know everyone has parents alive and living next doorAre you fucking retarded
>>290502274What if you don’t have grandparents, or your high paying job takes you across the country, or the grandparents are deadbeats that won’t do it. You need guaranteed systems in place. Be reasonable.
>>290502286>Faggotry has always been and always will be frowned down onLol, how ignorant.
>>290502286I genuinely think caring about gay shit is in itself mental illness. Like I have no attraction to men, so I don’t think about people being gay ever. I have never once had people being gay be the obstacle in the way of me affording a house, getting a well paying job, having access to affordable utilities, etc. I think people have been intentionally misguided through disinformation to believe that your problems are the result of other people minding their business and not the people with power. It’s lunacy.
>>290502314What is the point you are trying to make by posting that?
>>290502341Your sentence merely brought to mind every era under a homosexual monarch and how quickly that can change. It also reminded me of all those royal heirs and emperor prospects who saved their own life and avoided conflict by flaunting their homosexuality in public to make themselves as non threatening to the current power as possible.The lover of the guy in my pic was one such person. He enjoyed a life of privilege and fast while indulging in his homosexuality in the shadow of the king, his brother. Everybody knew, and everybody was happier for it, because it reassured the king and the kingdom that no power struggle between the brothers could take place. Also he made his lover cosplay as Ganymede to have him painted with the focus on his nipple and I think that's pretty based
>>290502411B-but my western Protestant programming told me that people always hated fags all the time everywhere.
>>290502411It's a non-sequitur.
>>290502554>i-it's a non-sequitur
>>290502569Yes, it's a non-sequitur.
>>290486675>Then again, if a lowly Landsknecht (or was it "Landsritter? I digress) is ordered to hand his daughter over to the palace, what else can he do but take the money and drink his impotence (of power) away?This is true but if Reinhard ever had a positive relationship with him to begin with, he probably would have been even slightly more understanding. I'd guess that his father was ALWAYS a worthless profligate drunk.Or at least as long as Reinhard remembered him he was.
>>290502509To be fair it's hard to imagine things to be different elsewhere when you've only known one culture and one bias your entire life. Thank goodness I was left to my own devices in front of a computer at an early age so I could read non watered down greek mythos about gods lusting for teenage boys
>>290502332They aren't minding their business. It has been forced down peoples throats to the point that people can't understand that romantic straight males like Reinhard and Kircheis or Frodo and Sam are not faggots. And faggotry is not the cause of all the other problems, the acceptance of it is a symptom of a civilization so degraded and collapsed that it could never hope to solve or meaningfully address all the other problems.
>>290492725>people are more tolerant of people being gay than everBecause if I openly start saying that fags are disgusting, someone will call to my workplace and I'll get fired. The 'tolerance' that you speak of, is in fact censorship.
>>290502907The gods were not laudable. They were often depicted engaging in ruinous and evil activities.
>>290500383if by the time you are thirty, you still don't get politics is just private interests and theatrics, it means you are already a radical and your entire bloodline is doomed to be a slave
>>290502858We do get a very subjective to Reinhard and Kircheis perspective view of the founding motivational event. They see it as a callous father selling his precious daughter into sex slavery for a disgusting tyrant. You could also call it the king giving a financial helping hand to his father-in-law. An objective outsider view would probably fall somewhere in between.
>>290443009Rule of thumb is that if you even have to ask, then most likely they’re gay.
>>290502184Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know I was dealing with a retard. Since it wasn't obvious enough for you, let me expline*people who believe a welfare state works and is long term sustainable are completely delusional and economically illiterate
>>290500199>all the major examples of historical societies that supposedly accepted homosexuality entailed relationships that would be considered rape, paedophilia, grooming and predatory by today standardsthat's not true at all though, you probably think that because you only know about those three from popculture
>>290506924*explain
>>290502276>It is. Corrupt autocracy is just objectively worse for the average person than corrupt democracyBased on what anecdote? Perhaps it has something to do with industrialization and technological advancement rather than democracy? There's nothing inherently good about democracy.
>>290484890You should kill yourself.
>>290507928won't make frodo any less of a fag sorry>Sam gazes at Frodo in Ithilien, noting his beauty, and thinks to himself, “I love him.” They hold each other on the long trek to Mordor — Tolkien said in a letter that he “was [probably] most moved [...] by the scene when Frodo goes to sleep on [Sam’s] breast.” On a different night, Sam “comfort[s] Frodo with his arms and body.”
>>290504031stfu and go away
It's totally straight to sleep with your best friend and lovingly caress his cheeks and think about how beautiful he is and how much you love him, you just have to say "no homo" and marry a beard...they did say "no homo" right??
>>290454368>>290454898>>290454962>>290461465>>290462963>>290463703>all this coping when the author himself was a imperalist Japanese apologistWhat is it with westcucks being incapable of perceiving anything outside of their narrow world view. Democracy is the ultimate good and everything else is evil and bad! You either fully support democracy or you are enemy. Seriously, the fuck is up with that? You'd think weeaboos would generally be more open minded.
>>290464300I love that you say this but probably couldn't name more than 3 medieval kings let alone know how they ran their kingdoms.
>>290498977>>>290498977>For them, the "hey this is normal friendship" defense is actually true.I don't know how anyone can claim that with a straight face and then tell me I'm the one who didn't read the books>Tolkien doesn't come from a background where fucking young boys is normalliterally did, the term "FAG" comes from the fag system in british boys' schools where younger students were almost universallt regularly beaten and raped into serving as the submissive servants and bottoms for older boys. It was also commonly accepted for gentlemen to have intimate physical relationships with their social subordinates, exactly the type of "friendship" seen between Sam and Frodo
>>290498709maybe you should study history before thinking you know thingshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging
>>290478128Imperial admirals' day off adventures
>>290508169Gay historical fanfiction is always so fascinating but for some reason its always pedophilia. Hmmm.
>cum goes where?
>>290508190>sometimes involved physical and sexual abuseThey were gophers.
>>290508298estimates from historical research are that >90% of boys in these schools experienced sexual abuse or assault, we have peoples diaries and letters about it
>>290443009Wasn't the red haired guy in love with the sister of the other guy?
>>290508085... I think they forgot...
>>290506929Who else is there, then? The Helenic view inherited by the Romans (if such a thing even existed, historians debate if there was even a consensus on how the fagottry was truly seen, and most likely your milage varied, just like today) was exploitative and most cases involved pedophilia. And so did the Samurai cast, and in Chinese culture (whenever it wasn't outrigh outlawed). The Norse straight up condemned it, Persians and Mesopothamians view was also exploitative etc etc. Where does this supposed non discriminatory view of consenting adult homos as normal and accepted exists? Other than in our deranged modern world?
>>290508449Very much so, even after she was some old fart concubine for years, but that ruins the fujoshits fanfiction, so they conveniently forget about it.
>>290508545>The Norse straight up condemned it, Persians and Mesopothamians view was also exploitativefalse, false and false
>>290508545>/a/ history scholars
>>290500199>because basically all the major examples of historical societies that supposedly accepted homosexualityThere's 0 example of this. Not a single society that accepted it. It's always some stupid edge case or contrived nuance. Calling someone a homosexual was never a compliment.
The Reich makes sense to me economically.Basically the only industrial-era technologies you need to live a comfortable, de facto post-scarcity life are washing machines, running water, antibiotics, guns, and maybe fertiliser. Even electricity is only a more convenient substitute for other fuels. It's how the Amish live and thrive. Anything beyond that is just techno-capitalist masturbation.You also need weapons to defend yourself, and while being a fully industrialised and self-sustaining (via capitalism, i.e. people independently do industry to make money) society helps a lot with developing newer, better weapons, I'd argue that Russia, Iran, and the Ukraine show that you can effectively warmaxx even if your economy otherwise sucks and much of your population is still rural.I believe the vast majority of Imperial peasants are basically living in a sanitised, Romantic ideal of the past (without all the disease and suffering). Their limited industrial needs taken care of by a small number of modern cities that only bother producing relatively simple necessities (and hovercars I guess) but don't innovate or paperclip-optimise as much as our modern economies. Much of it can be automated, too. Any innovation and managerial talent in the Empire is instead funneled into the military-industrial complex, which is the only sector where technological development happens.The rural population has very high fertility, and because the only social mobility is through the military, they send their sons to become soldiers or military engineers.This seems like a very stable equilibrium and I could see someone like Rudolf von Goldenbaum purposely designing such a civilisation to maximise virility, martial virtues, and to stave off degeneraty.
>>290469422>Rudolf probably thought that small farming communities were the peak of civilization and that the more people who lived like that, the betterWhat can i say, the man had some sensible policies
>>290509190>>290509255Huh, a wave traveled across the astral plane here. Didn't read your post before clicking send on the picture
>>290443009if only kircheis were here, he'd know.
>>290509072ignorant take, there was no concept of homosexuality before the 1800s but therr are countless societies that have had acceptable or even laudable same-sex relationships
>>290467568I don't remember Reinhard being this sexy.>>290478128pic related love story.
>>290509459>there was no concept of homosexuality before the 1800sYou are such a disingenuous faggot it's insane. Homosexuality is talked about and condemned even in the fucking Talmud. Next you are going to tell me you are totally not peddling some shitty pro-gay cookery.
>>290509190>It's how the Amish live and thrive. Anything beyond that is just techno-capitalist masturbation.what did LogH do to attract such retards?
>>290509645Rape is condemned in the talmud. There is no word that means "homosexual" in ancient hebrew or any other language before it was coined as a concept in the late 1800s and that is a fact, cope and seethe
>>290508705>false, false and falseNorse culture unironically forbid adult males from being unmarried past a certain age, and there was only heterosexual marriage. Also, there was a specific insult for men who took it up the ass. That's doesn't sound like acceptance to me. The only acceptable context in which Persian or Mesopothamians males could have gay sex was with minors, so pretty much the same as Greeks.
>>290509709The talmud has the exact same condemnation for the "men who lay with a fellow male" as the old testament, you retard.
>>290509762What we call gay men were expected to live as women in Norse society, the insult you're referring to is a generic term for "unmanly" behavior. You're wildly distorting historical facts to support your own biases.
>>290509785No it doesn't, check what it actually says, word for word. The OT doesn't say that either.
>>290509814>וְאֶת־זָכָר לֹא תִשְׁכַּב מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה תּוֹעֵבָה הִוא>Thou shalt not lie with a man after the manner of a woman: it is abomination.You smell of shit because you are full of it.
>>290509914Oh so you didn't actually check what it says you're just relying on an incorrect translation
>>290509995Tell me your correct translation.
>>290509914That literally refers to rape/sodomy, not homosexuality.
>>290509914>This chapter argues that the rules against homosexual sex in the readings of Parashat Kedoshim of Leviticus have been mischaracterized as a prohibition against homosexuality. In a 1992 responsum on the homosexuality, Joel Roth, states, “Lev. 20:13 clearly calls homosexuality a to'evah. Yet the subject of this verse is not female homosexuality, and it probably is not even male homosexuality.” Instead, the subject of Leviticus 20:13 seems to be some specific form of male same-sex intercourse and not homosexuality as a category or identity. Classicists and historians have largely confirmed these findings, as have scholars of the Bible and rabbinics. Their numerous studies have shown that reading notions of identity into earlier texts that mention sexual acts is problematic and misleading.https://academic.oup.com/nyu-press-scholarship-online/book/13880/chapter-abstract/167587170
>>290508545>homosexuality>Pedo anythingOxyfuckingmoron, pre-pubescent children don’t have a sex yet, not until their hormones come in, and are identical in appearance save for what’s in their pants and if you disagree then you’re a transphobic TERF who believes genitals = gender rather than hormones and appearance and should fuck back off to /pol/!
>>290510079>a paper written by a faggot with a gender studies degreeCan't make this shit up.
always a pleasure to see uneducated (or better yet, IT trained) dummies butting into debates on topics they know nothing aboutbless the internet
>>290510275Sex is determined the moment egg is fertilized by sperm, but nice bait.
>>290510079IMHO, the actual question is, whether we should really respect the opinions of those texts, whatever it isWhenever I looked into my print, I keep seeing "laws" saying that people should be killed for the most inconsequential things.Past was shit, we should try to do better.
>>290509671What's retarded about this? I forgot central heating and ACs (grave error, sorry) and glossed over a few things like advanced life-saving or crippling-injury-healing medical technology and sewage treatment for the sake of brevity. Other than that, most industrial technology is either former luxuries made universally accessible, solving problems created by other industrial technology in the first place, or substituting once-common goods for commodified goods.Most labour-saving technology has “freed” up labour to work in roles necessitated by all that technology (or resulting economic effects). If something that, by itself, is certainly impressive and nice to have becomes the norm, it often changes society in dramatic ways and often not for the better. Simple example: cars let you go to places fast and safely, travel and cars went from a privileged luxury to an everyday common experience, but now all the infrastructure expects you to have a car and require entire sectors of the economy to produce cars, maintain roads, refine fuel, etc. pp.If you approach it from a “if we take the mid-18th century as a starting point, what industrial technologies can I add that do not carry any such complications and allow the average person to live an ordinary life with less preventable suffering & horrible early deaths” point of view, you'd be left with something like the set of things I described.
>>290510443>Past was shitThe past made sure that you in the future exist.Homosexuality was considered a degenerate thing.Homosexuality is still considered a degenerate thing.Homosexuality will be consider a degenerate thing in the future.For those with third-order thinking it's not a debate.
>>290510427>Sex is determined the moment egg is fertilized by sperm, but nice bait.Nope, all that matters is whether you can pass or not, and that’s determined by sex hormones which come in after puberty, not genitals.Chromosomes and genitals which most people will never be able to see in your day to day life literally don’t matter and don’t affect your overall appearance.What the Romans and Greeks did to prepubescent boys objectively and scientifically didn’t count as homo and if you argue otherwise you’re a bigot TERF genital fetishist!
>>290510568how old
>>290510275>>290510766>i'll interject to make a strawman for the trans movementVery original joke anon *yawn* moving on
>>290511281And if I’m serious?
>>290509671Fascists loving lotgh for the same reason they love starship troopers. They’re two extremely different ways to critique authoritarianism, but the fascist is too dumb to understand what’s being said.
>>290478128anthology following a few secondary characters poplan,schenkopp,julian a few episodes would be dedicated to a few no name soldiers shenanigans
>>290512624HAHAHAH well that one was funny
>>290508355>estimatesShow me the research, I don't believe it. Also assault is vastly different from sexual abuse as is rape and forcing another kid to run around naked. This is your massive cope for why this and LOTR is gay you're reaching really fucking hard.
>>290511281>interjectits really not, its pretty much the exact same arguments trannies do. 'omg this character was turned into a girl and raped she's fricken trans representation!!!!!!'
man really got re watch this series some time again
>>290513585Don't flatter your intelligence chud, you do not understand where trans people and their allies are coming from. You think you do, you don't. That's why your larp is unfunny while most people just shrug and move on when you make those jokes. And even if they were funny, it would still be completely offtopic rubbish the thread doesn't need.
>>290474741Dude, they didn't hire a BL mangaka for no reason, I agree the canon reading is that they aren't gay but pretending the teasing is something the fans are reading into it and not something they did to titillate a potential market segment is delusional
>>290476013oh he's off-model enough I didn't even catch that on past watches lol, I guess they just didn't have anywhere to take the character then
>>290476179We have like nearly 10 billion people dude, we do not need to encourage procreaton right now, if anything gays are actually saving us from a worse crisis
>>290477064>It's pretty clear which nations are barbarian invadersBoy, you can say that again>>290478128Clearly Dusty needs to be heavily featured, the scene with him and his father with the same VA voicing both of them is the best part of Gaiden
>>290443425its womens doing. they cast down the bromance out of jealousy & rage.In their wickedness they desired to be most loved, now none are.
>>290480083Spiral Labyrinth and the art style of Gaiden season 2 overall is the most chopped part of the entire OVA which is unfortunate or fortunate for watching in chronological order depending on how you see it. Reinhard largely earns his wins while Yang's primary plot objective is a shaggy dog story and he lucks his way through each situation to the extent it's the most Tintin comic-book ass storyline outside of maybe Julian visiting the Terra cult
>>290481266Well, Episodes 1 and 2 bookend with the Ozymandias reference of the ruined temple that may imply humanity has since gone extinct and what we're hearing from the narrator is the hieroglyphs of a long-forgotten history, but that could be millions or billions of years later. Optimistically there may have been several decades of peace before the next big upset, cynically it may have fallen apart almost immediately like after the Palmgren dude dying.
>>290514129>you don't understandYes I do, i've watched and listened to countless trannies going on and on about how some gag character or yuri/yoai b8 directed toward non gay audiences is super brave and stunning political commentarythis is no different.
>>290494875This is why I'm okay with chronological watch order despite its faults, the Reinhard/Kircheis friendship feels built up naturally and then he dies approximately halfway through at a time that feels more 'correct' dramatically, the pacing of Reinhard's overall character arc reads much better that way (but then it's worse than release order in other ways)
>>290498709Dude fagging was still practiced at the top aristocratic schools until at least the 90s if not still today
>>290445399yikes, cool it with the antisemitism.
>>290513529uh no LoTR is gay because Frodo and Sam are explicitly gay lovers, Tolkien is gay because he had a boyfriend in school, keep up
