First 5 minutes are outwww.bilibili.com/video/BV1vd4663EMH/>Madoka/Madokami(?) basically abandoned sleepy happy!Homu on a fucking park bench>DevilHomu was unable to save Dokes from LoC shitMadoKINO is back on the menu, /a/... but... at what cost?
Hey it's my screenshotI fully understand why they delayed it to finish the animation. If I had to deal with that mess of a fucking story I'd spend as much time on animation as physically possible
>>290537774Threadly Reminder that Homu DID NOTHING WRONG
>>290537774See, this is what makes MadoHomu great. Stacy Madoka showing stinky femcel Homura her place. Looking forward to the movie!
>>290538445And she still DESERVES DAT MADOPUSSY and Muhdoka OWES her sex. Unironically.
>>290538445The only thing she did wrong was loving someone who could never be with herMadoka will never share her feelings and even if she could she will always prioritise being the LoC over them
Where the fuck can I download it
>>290538531>Muhdoka OWES her sex. Unironically.TRUE
>>290538535No camrips are out yetWait to see what happens in Taiwan next week
Should Homura move on from Madoka? It seems to be what would be best at this point, right?
A positive of the modern internet is that a camrip will spread like wildfire
>>290538644She should get together with Sayaka now that they've both moved on from their past loves.
>>290537774the lizard monster thing on the fence is cute and i desire a life size plush of it
>>290538644She will never move on and she will never win
>>290538717So her only form of salvation would be to die, then?
Homura deserves to win completely, but does Madoka deserve to share in the spoils?
>>290538742Yes
https://fusetter.com/tw/trwL6M41
>>290538837Poor HomuraWhy can't Madoka just try and get her to move on?
>We need to make Madoka the protagonist >Doesn't make Madoka the protagonist???Wtf are they talking about
>>290539058Urobuchi's script had a severe lack of Madoka already, and they weren't able to rewrite all of it, so Madoka stayed as an 11th hour power ranger. She could've been a 12th, so be grateful.
They should've fought
Failed bioengineer
>>290538445>Call homuphone>She sends you on a suicide mission>Win and lose your memories>>290539160>>290539058Did they say anything on what the original ending was exactly will we never know?
HomuSaya won
>>290539545>Did they say anything on what the original ending was exactly will we never know?I don't think they have. We know Green Kyouko would've died but that's about it
Shittao
>>290539545>Call homuphone>She sends you on a suicide mission>Win and lose your memoriesShe's learnt so much from Madoka
Does it at least have good musics? these 5min were promising
>>290539657>Music>Animation>The buddy cop stuff between Homura and Sayaka>Walpurgis backstoryAll of these things seem to be widely considered good
>>290539586Of course they wouldn't. It would have been better than what we got.
>>290539741>It would have been better than what we got.Of course it wouldThe ending is >Everyone tells Homura to save Madoka and then episode 12 but ???Like, what?
I'm sure it's not as bad as it sounds but it's real fucking confusing and we don't actually know what happened. Technically we don't even know for a fact that Madoka is with the LoC again (she is but still)there's some interpretations that I like, like the idea that Madoka is the LoC again but will no longer suffer or be forgotten while being it. But then there's shit like the idea that the last fight of the movie is just Homura in a dream world where she gets to be with Madoka, and the bench scene is what is really happening.It's hard to say if the ending is good or not if no one knows wtf the ending even means
>>290539434Why make war when you can make love instead
>>290539702Nagisa is also apparently really great.
>>290539886Do Japanese movie BD releases still do extra content? What are the odds they reveal some stuff about scrapped endings?
>>290539898True>>290539940>What are the odds they reveal some stuff about scrapped endings?Pretty unlikely but I'll hold on to hope for itAt the very least, the Manga adaptation is sure to make the ending less confusing, so we know that the ending being... whatever the fuck it's seen as now won't continue on for too long even if we don't get Urobuchi talking about the original ending
MadoHomuSaya
>>290539702Thanks
Homura deserves better
>>290540426She deserves a bench
>>290540501Madoka...
>>290540501Sayak...
Yesterday I saw a Madoka cosplay that had the correct size Madoka would be...But a massive pair of tits, bigger then on most women, but on a girl the size of a 12-14 year oldBlessed shortstack genetics, but off model for MadokaI have also seen atleast 2 really good Cardcaptor Sakura cosplays, by actual little girls in my life and one was yesterdayVery cute to make for your daughter, for obvious reasons I did not ask to take a picture
Im getting baptised tommorowPraise god
>>290540700Short girls have always been my weakness
>>290540741I'm glad to hear that, HomurAnon
>>290540741Yay
Hi, does anyone got Toru Nakayama's machinae madoka stuff?Asking for a friend. Ty.
>>290537774This sounds quite OOC compared to Rebellion. Homura wouldn't abandon Madoka to the LoC while smiling.
>Madoka is she loved Kyubey
>>290540749I would have loved to take a pic, but asking to take a pic of girls cosplay always feels so weirdI took plenty pics of cool mens costumesI noticed, most male costumes include a mask of some sorts, while girls like to show more of themselfs
>>290540939There's always that stigma with being a man in situations like this. Better safe than sorry.
>>290540871>still alive>more screentime than actual Madokayour NEW protagonist soon
>>290540852The ending seems to be a fucking mess manWho knows at this point what actually happenedI don't think Homura would let Madoka but the alternatives mostly either make less sense or make Madoka look like a cuntBest case in that Madoka won't continue to suffer while being the LoC because of what Homura did (her eyes not being golden showing this), but I heard that from like 1 guy on fusetter, so it doesn't seem to be a widespread ideaWho even knows anymore
>>290540871Kyubey is so lucky you guys.
>>290541015But will she be there to make Homura's life worse?That's the number one thing needed to become a Madoka protagonist. If she can't make Homura suffer she can't do the job
>>290541031She's crazy but I would
>>290541071She's the only one who doesn't support Homura at the end so yeah she's up for the job. Title it Selma Magica for the next OP.
>>290540939>but asking to take a pic of girls cosplay always feels so weirdCosplayers are egocentric girls that like attention. Why do you think they were cosplaying? If you ask politely without being a weirdo maybe you have a chance to get photo
Did you know that Selma shares hername with an embarrassing dump of a town? Yeah.
I am considering this big 1/4 scale homu fig, but the design isnt really my favoriteIm a bit dissapointed they just decided to repreint the old figure for the movie instead of making a new oneDevil homu costume would fit a 1/4 scale bunny fig much better>>290541007YeahI really hate the culture around it that taking a pic of a woman in a costume who obviously designed it and put it on to be seen can be seen as creep behaviour, when it really is appreceation for the effort in most cases>>290541140yeah but i really wasnt in the mood for ruining my day by being publically humiliatedNot going to ruin a fun convention day over some foidI played Metro 2039 yesterday, was pretty coolBut the R key on my PC was broken which got me killed near the end of the Demo ):
>>290541133Fuck you're right, she really does have what it takesI guess we know what Urobuchi is writing next
>>290541154And Madoka shares her name with an embarrassing dump of a franchise. They have so much in common
and if you don't love me now you will never love me again
>>290541246<Quitterie: Blasting> will happen and we're gonna love it.
I'm sure the ending feels better in the movie than having it described to you
The longest I have ever stood in line for anything, over 4 hours to play 30 minutes of MetroWas worth it, even though the demo PC they had set up was so terrible, cinematic 30fps, mouse acceleration with crazy settings and broken keys on the keyboardThey had 72 demo PCs and the line still was that long, and i got there in the morning it grew to over 6 hours during the dayDidnt expect Metro to be so popularBut it really was a great demoThe Quality of Metro ExodusBut set in a real Metro game instead of open world
>>290539455>>290539568>>290539625>>290540154Can tell you are seething insanely hard over people being able to pick out your posts. Now you're just spamming your pathetic attempts to "bait" and not even hiding it.
I cant even read half the thread without getting spoiled, sucksSo I should probably leave againHope the torrent for the fully movie goes up soonIf not, 24th november is when it comes to cinemas in germany, if it comes to one within 100km or so ill go
>>290541345Probably, but it's fun to shitpost in the meantime. If there's anyone whose opinion of the movie is genuinely poisoned by the discourse here there's already no helping them.
>>290541406Take care, HomurAnon
At least she was smiling in the end
>>290541406Bye bye~
If it wasn't for the extra scene of Kyubey I'm sure someone would unironically think the ending implies that everything that happens after Homura wakes up from her world in Rebellion was just a dream she's having inside the LoC
>>290541203>yeah but i really wasnt in the mood for ruining my day by being publically humiliatedYou need to learn to play the game dude. That will not happen if you know how to move your pieces. Be smarter.
>No western theatrical release date yetOkay... sure, gonna be fun to avoid spoilers for months
EVIL NEEDLE LOLI SEXO
>>290541688>Avoiding spoilersYou brave soldier
>>290541610There are already people thinking that regardless.
>>290541695Kyubey...
>>290541466>>290541583But first, the 10th anniversary Madoka FigureIt looks so good, I feel bad putting it next to my homura prize figures
>>290541732Technically there's a difference between 'the last scene might be a dream and Homura is in a dream now' and 'the ending of the last movie and this movie are dreams'Both are shit though and I hope neither are trueI'm sure the scene of everyone cheering Homura on has some sort of meaning and I'm sure it's not to suggest that Homura is dreaming
>>290541610The way universe resets work in the series it functionally is (or has as much impact as one at any rate) now, barring as you said the little shit (who only survives because he's outside the universe).
>>290541824>and everyone clappedreminds me of eva more and more everyday
>>290541826I guess it depends if Homura remembers or notMadoka wouldn't take Homura's memories again, right?
If this was our EVA 3.0, than I hope our EVA 3.0 + 1.0 doesn't take twice as long to come out like Evangelions did
>>290541864I'd rather Homura just forget at this point because if not this is just episode 12 all over again. I want the inevitable sequel to Kaiten to be something new, even if it's just seeing what memoryless Homu is like.
>>290541936Meant for >>290541856
>Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Quarce upon a promise>Coming... 2048Do you rike it?
>>290541936>that picThe one thing that's disappointing to me about Kaiten is all the schizo homu vs homu theories being untrue. I guess they thought there was enough exploration of Homu's psychology in Rebellion and that there was nowhere left to go.
>still no camripAAAAAWhen is it coming out in burgerland then. I need to watch....
>>290541951It would be best for Homura if she did but idk if Madoka would do thatHonestly the best thing Madoka could do would be to leave Homura alone completely, no memories or anything, but that seems like something Madoka wouldn't be able to bring herself to do
>>290538445Except be a clingy lesbian and get everyone around her in terrible situations.
>>290542034Same I thought we were going to get a deep dive on both Homura and Madoka's psychology and worldview in context of what happened after Rebellion, but we didn't get any of that really
>>2905420552026
Seems i'm the only one that liked the spoilers Kaiten. I hope watching the movie and translation don't has opposite effect and make me hate the movie.
Homukeks lost hard, you love to see it
>>290542145Oh is it confirmed it will be in 2026 still? If so nice, I feared I would have to wait 6 months like some anime movies.
time to move on homura
>>290542176They didn't lose, but they didn't win either. So it feels like a loss
>>290542176I think everyone lost. Will we ever get a real conclusion or will the world end?
>>290542108I've been mulling over it and I think I'm interpreting this lack of exploration to be because Madoka and Homura's worldviews and conclusions to their respective arguments were technically already done before. For Madoka, it was the TV show, for Homura, it was Rebellion. So that's why Kaiten doesn't explore it because there's nothing left to explore, except by showing a new side to things via the new characters who react to Madoka and Homura's choices.
>>290542176>Everyone thinks Homura did nothing wrongIf it wasn't for the ending this would be the biggest victory she can have
>>290542207Me on the left
>>290542176>Homura get support of friends and is not alone>Movie made madoka look worse >Ending too ambiguous yet but Homura is smilingIs this irony? Based on spoilers i have seen she won small victories. Obvioulsy everything could change after watching the movie.It seem you saw spoilers i didnt saw yet.
I wonder how the rewatch will go next year
>>290542354>Homura get support of friends and is not alone>Movie made madoka look worse>Ending too ambiguous yet but Homura is smilingYeah that's what happens. How do you feel about them making Madoka a cunt, Madokanon?
>>290542207Being gay was fun homura but it's time to get a husband and kids
>>290542398We won't even have BDs by then.
>>290542221>Will we ever get a real conclusionNo. Every ending must be open and leave the possibility for another movie>>290542282I could see that but I feel like more could still have been done. Regardless it is what it is
Where can I see the movie in finland without the audio being too loud?
They whitewashed homura...2011 OG fig vs Magia Record figEithat that or the fig yellowed, but it was in its original packaging so I doubt it
>>290542452Even if we don't I'm sure Kaiten will effect the mood of it allRemember the scene with Madoka, Homura and Kyubey with a bench in the original anime?
>>290538533Pretty sure Madoka does share her feelings, she just priorities duty over everything else or from what we kno, she has no choice.
>>290542734If she does the best thing she could do for Homura would be trying to make her move onIt will never work out and that's okay. I'm sure Homura can find happiness in life but it just will never be with Madoka
>>290542434>How do you feel about them making Madoka a cunt, Madokanon?For me she will never be a cunt as long as she keeps her initial decision of being the sacrifice. The main reason i liked Madoka is that she didn't change her decision about that.But seeing what the spoiler did, i almost accepted they will make her back down in future movies.
>>290541951>even if it's just seeing what memoryless Homu is like.Homu that is a Meguca but has no memories of wtf Madoka is or what she's done would be interesting. Kinda like Wraith Arc but instead of her freaking out over not knowing if Madoka is real or not she instead just doesn't care anymore.Who is Homura Akemi without Madoka Kaname?
Madokafags or Nanohafags, who lost more?
>>290542876>In general We waited 13 years for this for it to only be... this>In shipping Nanoha and Fate are still like, alive and around each other, right?Madoka fucks off again at the end of this one and Homura is still mayybe the devil(?) but she also probably looses her memories of Madoka (or worse) so... It's not a hard debate we lost either way
>>290542207She. Saved. Trillions.
>>290542734>Pretty sure Madoka does share her feelingsFrom what I got she was crying while the LoC was taking her away (idk if she was still crying while talking with Homura). So, if she indeed choose to go with the LoC it wasn't because she liked it, it was because she thought that was the correct choice.Also, just before vanish she tells Homura "I'll be with you", so is very unlikely she wanted take away Homura's memories or leave her alone.
>>290542834>i almost accepted they will make her back down in future movies.Yeah probably This really doesn't seem like a good ending for her
Imagine changing your dreams and what you feel is your mission in life for what your friends "feel".Imagine backing down on your decisions for others, what a pathetic show that would be.I can't think a girl could be so pathetic but maybe Madoka will be one in future. I hope no.
>>290543047Doesn't she say that after she's vanished? I heard she says something after she's disappeared >so is very unlikely she wanted take away Homura's memories or leave her alone.Add on that Homura is smiling at the end even with Madoka gone.I really wonder what she's happy about
>>290542986Pretty sure Homura is not a devil anymore, Madoka doesn't fuck off, she gets taken by the LOC and Homura losing her memories is just a fan rumor, not confirmed.
>>290537774>>290538676>>29054205540-minute audio leakhttps://file.kiwi/fbb6ee6b#u9X61wWEn8h1GW4436ZUTQ,8cd5c806Any moonrunefag who can help us? I realy wanna know what Homura and Madoka talk about at the end...
Ah so madoka magica becoming marvel capeslop
>>290543160https://file.kiwi/fbb6ee6b#u9X61wWEn8h1GW4436ZUTQ8cd5c806
>>290543184It's seems like it's likely path they will take. Kubey was in the end credit and there are other girls. Seems like future projects would have more magical girls in it.
>>290543107>Doesn't she say that after she's vanished? I heard she says something after she's disappearedMaybe it was after she vanishes and I messed it up the order. What I can tell for sure is that the last thing she says to Homura is "I'll be with you".
>>290543158>Pretty sure Homura is not a devil anymoreApparently she has her Meguca ring still, so maybe she's just a magical girl again?>Madoka doesn't fuck off, she gets taken by the LOCSame thing>and Homura losing her memories is just a fan rumorHow else would you look at the ending? Like, what else could it mean?
>>290538644>Should Homura move on from Madoka?According to Tabb Homura was never in love with Madoka in the first place and she’s completely straight and this is just schizo delusions.
>>290543232>What I can tell for sure is that the last thing she says to Homura is "I'll be with you".I hope she could be but who knows what that even meansDoes she say it metaphorically or literally? Does she say it in a 'I'll always be in your heart' or a 'I will literally be around you' type of way?I heard the audio earlier and it sounds like she says it in a really sad way, so I think it's a goodbye sort of deal but idk and even then who the fuck says goodbye by saying 'I will always be with you'???
There are some anti-yurifaga going on about how this movie confirms that Madoka is a get franchise, but how can it be a get franchise if there's no male characters let alone male love interests?
>>290542873I do think they need to explore this at least so MadoHomu can stop feeling so one sided, Madoka does care about her but she's just not as tied to her, while Homura's practically the crying, orbiting little moon to Madoka's sun. Madoka is also frankly becoming much worse as a character the more she's reduced to just Homura's prize and obstacle. I miss the Madoka from the original show.
>>290543257>Apparently she has her Meguca ring still, so maybe she's just a magical girl again?There are people saying she still keeps it, yeah. That also means she's most likely still a devil. She had the same ring before and there's no reason to think her devil powers here stolen.
>>290543361>who the fuck says goodbye by saying 'I will always be with you'???I mean, that's not uncommon in fiction at all, it's a bittersweet phrase that usually means "I'll always be with you in your heart" or some shit. Imagine Madoka dying and saying this to Homura. Does it make sense now?
>>290531294>>290531375>>290531432>>290531518>08/29舞台挨拶のメモ>悠木碧さん：インタビューでも語られている話題ですが、主題歌「彼方」を受けて変更、収録し直した台詞がある（「私はここにいるよ」？）>斎藤千和さん：今回の廻天で懸念事項だったワルプルギスの件が片付いたので、まどか救出に専念できる>29 August Stage Greeting >Aoi Yūki: As mentioned in the interview, some lines were altered and re-recorded in response to the theme song ‘Kanata’ (‘I’m here, you know’?)>Chiwa Saito: Now that the Walpurgis issue—which had been a cause for concern in this instalment of ‘Kaiten’—has been resolved, we can focus entirely on rescuing Madoka.
I listened to the Audio again and Madoka is fucking sad when she speaks. Like, she really does not sound happy. It sounds like she's about to if not already crying softlyI can't see this being a good end for her
>>290543533>implying that Homura will RESCUE Madoka from the EVIL Kyubs in an Avengers style battlePure slop holy shit
>>290543510>Does it make sense now?Yeah It does
>>290543361The nips that theorize we're back to ep12 stage think she mean it in a "I'll be looking over you from above" way. But again, that's only one of the many ways people is interpreting the end.
>>290543443>That also means she's most likely still a devil. She had the same ring before and there's no reason to think her devil powers here stolen.So she's still the devil thenAnd she doesn't lose her memories And Madoka is still sad and has to leaveAnd Homura is still smiling at the endSo this is what happens (probably), right?
>>290543382>I do think they need to explore this at least so MadoHomu can stop feeling so one sidedYeah. Do that and explore it from Madoka's perspectiveHow does she feel about the fact that Homura spent 12 years fighting for her and eventually became the devil just so she could be happy? I want more of an explanation than Madoka just calling Homura her super-duper special friend as she leaves her on a bench.>I miss the Madoka from the original show.Same. I wish that she would be focused on again like how she was originally
>>290543564I mean, that's the point. The movie tries to tell you that Madoka returning to the LoC is bad, if Madoka really was taken by the LoC, regardless of if was by her own choice or by force, it's supossed to be tragic.
>>290543379Dude it has been a decade and we have discussed it multiple times. You're free to interpret it as you like even though it might not be one. But sadly they need to milk the series and we will still have the same annoying discussion.
>>290543745I'm aware of that. There was some theory going around earlier that I liked where Madoka being the LoC is less bad now because of what Homura did but I think that's thrown out the window, at least I'm throwing it out of mine
>>290538445>>290538531Homura should’ve raped Madoka while she had the chance to do it.
>>290543832This but the other way around
Madoka and Homura sitting on the bench oh wait Madoka got away
Is this really Homura's greatest enemy?
>>290543826The one about Madoka returning to Godoka but now with her existence as "Kaname Madoka" remaing, right? I think it's still possible. Think about it this way, Madoka's existence was not erased and can be "her" while being "the LoC", but still has to do the LoC work so she has to go anyway. It's like Saito said, Homura protect Madoka (got to keep her personality of Kaname Madoka alive), but failed to save her (her fate is still to be the goddness who saves all magical girls and can't live as a normal girl). You can think Homura is smiling because she achieve that small win and since she's still a devil she still can look for a way to recover Madoka from the LoC again, and this time forever. Which also matches with Saito's words here >>290543533
>>290543533>>Chiwa Saito: Now that the Walpurgis issue—which had been a cause for concern in this instalment of ‘Kaiten’—has been resolved, we can focus entirely on rescuing Madoka....Yay? Please come out in less than five years.
>>290543306sauce ?
>>290544037KWAB (kek what a bench)
>>290544329>The one about Madoka returning to Godoka but now with her existence as "Kaname Madoka" remaing, right?Yeah, that one>You can think Homura is smiling because she achieve that small win and since she's still a devil she still can look for a way to recover Madoka from the LoC again, and this time forever.I hope this ends up being where they go next. I really, really do
>>290537774Gaijin MegucasChinax2Norway?x2Egypt (is White)x1China (including Tibet and Hong Kong)x2If Therese is Germanx1If Therese is American, Americax2
do I have to watch magia record to understand this movie? I thought it was boring as balls from the first few episodes a few years ago, but I'll do it for this movie
What if the ending is confusing because they plan to have the next project out really soon
>>290544841nyo
>>290544841magia record is a spin off
Is Homura considered the villain in this story?
>>290544841No but most of the concepts and apparently some of the scenes from the second half were written by the guy who did Magireco
>>290544880NahLike, she isn't considered the villain at all.
>>290544880Yes. Her objectives are the inverse of the agent of righteousness, Madoka. She is the villainess? 'Oh, what about Kyubey?' Kyubey is an agent of non-negotiable consumption and/or conquest. That's not the role of the villain. That's the monster. So Madoka is the heroine. Homura is the Villainess, and It think she better encapsulates the nemesis concept of a villainess. Kyubey is the monster.
From my point of view, the girl who stole Sayaka's crush is evil and the true villain of the series.
>>290544329>Madoka returning to Godoka but now with her existence as "Kaname Madoka" remaingI think this is true but they could've made it way, way more obvious
How does the ending theme affect any of the main theories on the ending?
>>290544880The explicit villain is Selma, the big bad is Walpurgis but she just wants to be saved by Madoka. QB is the overarching villain.
I hope Homura can be happy
Madoka was 15 years ago. You need to let her go, anons.
>>290545442the writers are the ones that won't
>>290545442I won't let go, I refuse.
>>290545442I will hang on to Madoka so tightly, and for so long, that you will be astounded, and frightened, and baffled by it.
Seems like hardcore fans really hated this movie. We entered the evangelion 3.0 era with the Madoka franchise
>>290545442Homura didn't so I won't either
>>290545549>>290545500Have fun hanging on for a conclusion that will never come.>>290545653Man, I wish this went the same way as Rebuild 4. I wouldn't have cared if it was mediocre, only that it was a final end for the Holy Quartet.
>>290543160>>290543219Maybe try spreading it on somewhere else? I want to have the exact words they say too
>>290545733*Quintet
>>290545653Hardcore madoka fans hated Rebellion too, lmao.
>>290545653The fans that hated this movie are the one that liked their headcanons more than madoka magica.
I'm starting to think it's a reverse of how people used to look at Rebellion The film is shit but the ending is good
>>290545885I am one of them. That anon's description of this as being Eva-like is right. The TV series did everything right and had a perfect ending. I found Rebellion to be totally unnecessary and take the story to a place I didn't really like. I'm really curious to see this new movie but I am not attached to like Rebellionfags waiting for "their" sequel
Idealism is the poison of the soul.
What if all the 'What is Heaven' talk from the concept movie was plans for the 5th movie?
https://files.catbox.moe/s1xznu.mp3Here's a catbox of what Madoka says to HomuraRough transcription>Homura-chan, hey, do you think your life is precious? >Do you cherish your family and friends? >Homura-chan, even if this world turns out to be far from the ideal someone had envisioned, will you forgive me? >My best friend. >I'm here, Homura-chan. (said while the phone is on)
Is Sayak still a bak?
>>290546696I used an ai for the transcript and I know for a fact it doesn't hear everything (Madoka says Homura-chan twice almost immediately)
She'd make a cute devil
>>290546696>Do you cherish your family and friends?What family?
>>290547027Megucas are her family.
>>290547027>What family?Amy
>>290546696>>290547027It seems to just be what Homura said to her at the end of the last movieI think we can still assume that Homura is still the devil after this
>>290547104I get is a callback to Homura's words for her in first chapter of the anime (Is Madoka trying to tell Homura to keep being herself like Homura told her at the time?), but still, it feels weird Madoka isn't taking out the family part when she knows Homura has none.Anyway>Homura-chan, even if this world turns out to be far from the ideal someone had envisioned, will you forgive me?"Forgive" me feels like she's acepting to go with the LoC, but "ven if this world turns out to be far from the ideal someone had envisioned" feels like she wasn't so happy about it. I wonder how much the visuals can change the perception (if they can).
>>290543832Always wondered why there was never an edit of that Steins;Gate scene where Okarin considers raping Suzuha, with Homura instead.
>>290546696>>Homura-chan, even if this world turns out to be far from the ideal someone had envisioned, will you forgive me?It's not easy to ask forgiveness twice. Poor Madoka, must be suffering a lot inside if she truly appreciate Homura. Hope is mistranlated.
>>290546738She is a bak but with more protagonism.
>>290547345>it feels weird Madoka isn't taking out the family part when she knows Homura has none.Yeah it really does. Unless she has a family that's been off-screen the entire time>"Forgive" me feels like she's acepting to go with the LoC, but "ven if this world turns out to be far from the ideal someone had envisioned" feels like she wasn't so happy about it.Madoka begrudgingly going to the LoC seems to be what's happening, yeah. It's also clear that the ideal she's talking about is Homura's ideal of a world where Madoka can be happy>I wonder how much the visuals can change the perception (if they can).I'm sure they can, it's Madoka after allI really hope the 'LoC is less shit for Madoka because of Rebellion' ending is true because otherwise I can't understand why Homura would still be smiling. She'd still be the Devil after this, right? So I think that rules out any dream/memory wipe from happening
>>290547820>must be suffering a lot inside if she truly appreciate Homura.Please SHAFTLet the next movie focus on thisI want to see her Madoka as a protagonist and I want to see her deal with everything she had done. Let her be guilty and upset at making the choices she was forced to make like Homura
>>290547852As she should be
>>290547027right, is her family overseas?I dont remember
>>290547928Sayaka does have surprisingly nice tits.
>>290547958homura has the smallest tits of any of the quintet btw, sayaka is slightly bigger than kyoko
>>290547912Well, her being LOC actually had a bad side effect and apparently was a conflicting wish with other of the past, so she should feel guilt. Even if she tried her best to not fuck up much laws of physics, intention not always is enough. Madoka now is not that different than Homura.
>>290537774the soundtrack is amazing, at least the 5 first minutes. I hope we won't have to wait too long for the release
>>290547865>Unless she has a family that's been off-screen the entire timeNow that I think about it, I kind of remember people talking about Homura having deadbeat parents or something being mentioned in the novel adaptation of the anime. But idk if that's true or how canon is the novel.
>>290547950Most we hear is that she used to go to catholic school back in Tokyo. Chances were that this is an orphanage considering that her parents are never even mentioned
>>290548117>The novelIirc she mentions that her mother used to braid her hair when she was young, but that's all she says>how canon is the novel.It's not canon to the anime
>>290548023>Madoka now is not that different than Homura.Both of them are very similar as people, and always have been really.
>>290548038>I hope we won't have to wait too long for the releaseCamrip by the 12th seems pretty likelyI don't think people in Taiwan are going to care much about the spoiler ban
>>290547958Indeed
>>290548210Well, in the PSP game there is a route where Homura dies after fighting walpurgis but saves Madoka and leave her without being a magical girl. I know is not canon but there is nothing that hints that in that timeline Madoka would make a wish to see Homura again (like Homura did in a similar situation) iirc.So i always saw some notorious differences between them.
>>290548257long hair sayaka would be absolute sex
>>290548453Yeah there's some difference. Still doesn't mean they aren't very similar Plus Madoka has more than just Homura in her life, which Homura doesn't have (at least not until this movie depending on how you look at the ending), for Homura it really is just Madoka.
No camrips yet? Was the 5 min clip that leaked just a promo for the movie? I'm surprised there's no full rips yet.
>>290548488IndeedShe should grow it out
>>290548508They're both stubborn and insecure (though about different things) but otherwise not really.
>>290548525>No camrips yet?Best we have is 40 minutes of audio>Was the 5 min clip that leaked just a promo for the movieYeah>I'm surprised there's no full rips yet.Pirates get fucked over hard in Japan if they get caught filming. Besides, it's only been 2 and a half days since it came out in Japan. Rebellion got one but even that took a week
>>290542734>Pretty sure Madoka does share her feelings,She kept saying "Dearest friend" and the like at the ending and even in Rebellion only refers to her as a friend, so more likely Madoka just doesn't have those kind of romantic feelings. She certainly didn't understand them during the series when other characters talked about it.
>>290548610Madoka's kinda like Homura's Kyosuke in a way. Always the LoC/Violin or something over anything else.
>>290548581Both find their purpose in other people (Madoka in pleasing others by being useful for them either as a Magical girl or the Law of Cycles. Homura in trying to keep Madoka's promise intact) and dislike themselves when they can't do this (Madoka throughout the original anime doesn't think highly of herself at all, Homura is miserable because she had failed Madoka)
>>290548676That's an elaboration of what I was already saying, yes. It's not really something I'd say makes them super similar, because Sayaka, Kyoko, and Mami both show this too. Sayaka more so admittedly.
>>290548610Even if she had those feelings it's not like she could act on themMadoka only really considers Homura to be her best friend after remembering everything Homura has done for her, and by that point it's too late for Madoka and Homura to ever be together>>290548657Holy shit your kinda right.
What do (you) want the next movie to focus on?
>>290548803more wasu
>>290548803It doesn't matter, I want it to take 20 more years to make.
>>290548803Homura and Madoka (like it should've happened in Kaiten).But mostly Madoka because she needs the focus so bad.
So is ingratitude a flaw of Madoka's or something?
>>290548874If we assume based on rumors that the gacha is based off old drafts for Kaiten and future movies, then I don't think we're getting anything new with Madoka. Could always change tho
>>290548676>Both find their purpose in other people One of the reasons i liked the spoilers is that supposedly Selma is another girl who dislike herself but find another purpose.I think is more sane now to see it from another perspective. Though it seems fans were mad at how much timescreen this new characters get.>>290548803Walpurgis past and apparently i got it.Before spoilers i wanted this movie to be the end so the focus was solving the main problem, but we know that will not happen.
>>290548874>But mostly Madoka because she needs the focus so bad.She truly does, Just let Madoka be the main character for the final movie and let us see how she feels about what has happened. It's MADOKA Magica after all
>>290548910I wouldn't say that, at least not in context of Kaiten since it seems like she's kinda forced to go along with whatever the loC wants of her
>You're going to be in a new series Madoka, called MADOKA MAGICA>WHOA COOL so im the main character>YES but actually not at all
>>290548537Her Magireco transformation sequence showed her adult self with long hair.
>>290548943>Selma is another girl who dislike herself but find another purpose.She's like Madoka if she became Kyubey's number 1 fan
What if they make a Homura Magica and Madoka is the main character in it, and Homura barely does anything until the end
>>290549029they just put madoka in the title because it rolls better for the tonguehomura magica sounds off
>>290549029I don't know if that would be better or worse for MadoHomu. Even if Homura's a spotlight hogger she at least always has her core goal as Madoka, Madoka does not. Madoka would be fucking around with Kyubey and Sayaka the whole time and barely think about her.
Choose the next 3 witches to become a meguca next movie.
>>290549078>Madoka would be fucking around with Kyubey and Sayaka the whole time and barely think about her.SHAFT just needs to give her a goal that's focused on Homura and that only her alone can do. Have it be the sequel to Kaiten and done
>>290549093Have we seen mami and kyouko's witch form yet?
>>290549182No.
>>290548525when I went to see it there was a multilingual message that you can serve 10 years in prison for recording movies in japan.
>>290549182Candeloro and Ophelia Both were in the portable game
>>290549093When did we see Ltzli?
Worse case we won't get a camrip until the start of October because of the Latam release
>>290549288Although never officially confirmed (because they are cowards), every evidence from Scene 0 and the witch's description and mottif points at Mabayu. So I marked it too.It's Itzli though.
>>290548525Better chance of rips when the movie releases in another country. Japan is strict.
I'm too tired to be mad at an ending I haven't seen yet but I really hope it's better than it seems and what I've heardWhat's the general consensus here anyway?
>>290549405I'm not going to love or hate an ending I haven't seen because I'm not retarded
>>290549405For a 13 year long wait movie it was mediocre, people wouldn't be this disappointed if its like 2 years after rebellion
I just hope for more Sayaka porn
>>290549494need more homura raping sayaka with sayaka dressed as madoka
>>290549405Kaiten is good. Unironically.
>>290549599How about sayaka dressed up as madoka raping homura
Will we ever get an ending where Madoka and Homura are both happy?Closest we came to was the anime's ending, but even then Homura is upset at the very end while in the desert
>>290549661Homura would enjoy this too much for it to be rapeShe'd consent to it midway through
>>290549661depressed homura silently sobbing while a sayaka dressed as madoka rapes her but homuras happy in a fucked up way because "madoka" is finally having sex with her after years of trying
I want some art of the End of Evangelion poster but it's the LoC, Madoka and HomuraIf I could draw, I would draw this
I know very little about MagiReco.I didn't play the game but watched S1 many years ago.Is picrel really called "Neo Dorothy Motherfucker" or is it just a meme?
>>290549795thats the official name
>>290549772Perfection
>>290549730next movie, maybe>>290549795yes, that is actually it's name
>>290549811>thats the official name>>290549821>yes, that is actually it's nameBruh.
Shame about the lack of Mami
>>290549821>next movie, maybeHopefully
>>290550015Seems no fanservice of Mami this time in new movie. Rest Mami Senpai.
>>290548453https://youtu.be/bxsNhOZVex4?&t=1763I mean, Madoka does beg Homura not to leave her and screams and cries, and we don't know what Madoka will end up wishing for if the timeline were to continue, but Kyuubey seems confident he'll still be able to contract with Madoka eventually.
>>290549730PSP game good end.
Homura lost?Good ridance then
>>290550156HomuSaya won though only Madoka lost
>>290550094Oh, I didnt remember well that part but is clear that if Madoka ends up making the contract it will be to protect the residents and no specifically for seeing Homura again anyways.
>ほむさやは形は違えどまどかを大切に思う二人の間に生まれた絆が良いよね今作は特にそれを感じた
My uncle at Shaft ShinboBuchi told me Homura can only save Madoka once she is strong enough to rape Sayaka
>>290550265Madoka won actually, now she can leave in peace. Homura now is problem of Sayaka.
>>290548453>I know is not canon but there is nothing that hints that in that timeline Madoka would make a wish to see Homura again (like Homura did in a similar situation) iirc.Since where talking about dubious canon now, in Homura's Revenge Madoka makes a wish as soon Homura dies (and she knew the true about witches)
>5th movie>Sayaka and Homura protagonists>Sayaka now understand how weird is Homura following her everywhere, homura grabbing her hands out of nowhere, and Homura constantly making her the center of her life.Sayaka: "I now understand Madoka. I feel Homura fatigue, please LOC take me back, i want to rest in peace again"
>>290550437And who is the writer of Homura's Revenge?
>>290550584The ones who made Tart Magica.
I'll give this a go.It looks like 4/6 chapters have been fully translated which sounds like it should have a lot of content to keep me entertained.Instigate/Incite/Deceive sounds like a curious mechanic.Are there branching paths affected by those or something?
>>290541203>Scared to ask for a picture from a cosplayer at public conventionJesus christ.
>>290543832>>290543907Neither of them is into girls though. This wouldn’t be enjoyable for either
>>290537774>To the men going to see the Madoka Magica movie, I had a vague sense of it since it's only been out for two days, but there were a few smelly people scattered around, and during the screening>The seat in front and the one to my left were really stinky my friend kept a handkerchief over their nose and mouth the whole time, and while I don't know if it was body odor from aging, or they hadn't taken a bath, or maybe their clothes were worn out, it just stank. >Somehow, people who come alone take less care with their smell compared to those who come with friends, and even though I'm relatively insensitive to smells, I could still smell it, so my friend looked absolutely miserable during a movie everyone's been eagerly waiting for with their necks stretched out, so if you're going to meet your fave character, at least take care of your smell >Because I dress up and take care of my scent just to meet my fave (Sayaka-chan), but why don't guys with bad odors bother with that stuff when they were just slovenly and didn't smell good at all...
>>290540700Most of the pmmm cosplayers I’ve seen in recent years were fat women. What’s up with that
>>290549494How about Homucifer finally getting doujins
>>290551199I want one with Selma masturbating to Kyubey.
>>290551134I'm planning to cosplay Homura maybe in December (due to my one Sayaka cosplay being weird years ago) and ngl I consider myself alone fat a bit, but I saw many cosplayers taking pictures with me that weren't fat so I guess depends
>>290551292I meant actually noticeably fat. They also usually came in pairs (either a Madoka and a Homura or a Kyouko and a Sayaka), so it’s possible they were dykes larping the franchise. Those that didn’t came in pairs were less fat, better looking and overall the cosplay was done better.
>>290551285>irony poisoned slopno thanks
Ok so what the fuck was the significance of the clara dolls?
>>290551341mine is a bit visible though sadly, even if I take breath in and hold for a bit for some reason, and yeah I saw the pairs too (suprisingly though I couldn't find any Kyoko cosplayer tho lol) but many of them weren't visible like mine's ngl (there was even a kid dressed up as Madokami too which made me raise eyebrow)
>>290549093Are Quitterie, Itzli and Paola actually confirmed? Wasn’t Itzli an alien?
>>290551416You could always just go on a diet or hit the gym or both
>>290551454>Quitterie actually confirmed?
>>290551199I thought Homucifer had a lot of doujins
>>290551454Search the alternative meanings to the word alien. It applies to >>290549335 but this will probably never be really confirmed i guess. There's some comments in Slot Madoka Magica about Itzly only getting this strong because of Homura's loops. But oh well.Paola is directly confirmed in the movie and pamphlet. Quitterie was giveaway in the plot lol. She literally attacks with QB plushies.
>>290543160I will save this later
>>290551454> Choka Shi - "In the Magia Record event, Beachside Bonds we see a glimpse of Paola's identity, which spoke Chinese and mentioned her father. Her fingernail mark is also the shape of Paola's head." Didn't people said she's green Kyouko?? I think she made a wish abt not wasting food or something which only makes me doubt, but the rest perfectly fits her along with the father thing with Paola > Selema Terez by looks already seems like being Quitterie (and the fact the disguise form literally has Kyubey as she's his fan and all that hating on Madoka)
>>290551481True, I'm gonna do that since I don't much seem to know what to eat lately, thanks anon!
>>290551546She doesn’t have a single one (as far as scanned ones go)
>>290551699>>290551809Interesting. I like this a lot actually. All witches should have meguca forms >>290551862You’re welcome.
WHY IS THIS JUST MORE MAGIRECO GARBAGE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUROBUCHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
is choka a chink
>>290552012There is zero magireco content in this movie
>>290552087a bunch of irrelevant OCs made to sell more gacha and doroinu writing, this is magireco
>>290552087bro..
>>290551355>"Irony poisoned">It's just the character
>>290551285I'm in love with her. And i'm willing to get cucked by Kyubey.
>>290552757>Nagisa point-blank shot herheh nothing personnel
Half of my xitter feed is still random fusetter posts about the moviehttps://fusetter.com/tw/wqZ0Ttpkhttps://fusetter.com/tw/3qQHJgIfHere's two that I found interesting
>>290552780I can't wait for the rip to come out so you guys can see her Gainax posing
What went so wrong? It was supposed to be the most awaited sequel...
>>290552780Cheesebitch is strong
>>290552840inu curry killed the series..
>>290552840I'll save judgement till I see it but it doesn't sound great outside of the ending (assuming it is a partial-Homura victory like I've seen people here say) and the stuff with Walpurgis and Sayaka
>>290552840There wasn't any homu tities
>>2905528401. Huge time gap2. They made Rebellion before this
>>290552840There wasnt any Sayaka titties
>>2905493573.33 had a camrip up within 24 hours. Madokafags are just casuals.
>>290552840Magireco
I miss Madoka's momI miss Madoka's teacher
>>290553030Madoka's dad...
Does the universe reset again at the end and if so who is in charge of it now?
>>290553055LoC is back in charge but we dont actually know what happens to sayaka or kyoko only homu on the bench
>>290553055Best explanation is >>290544329Homura is still as powerful as she was at the start of the movie (nerfed) but can't currently interact with Madoka since she's back to being the LoC
>>290553040Madoka's otouto...
Part of what I like about the 'better LoC' idea is that it builds up on what Walpurgisnacht did with Meguca's in the first place, only in the context of Homura doing it for MadokaMargaret allowed for Meguca's to be remembered as Witches. It was an improvement to what happened before even if it was far from a perfect endingHomura's events during Rebellion to Kaiten has allowed this for Madoka. She is remembered and her existence as the Law of Cycles is significantly improved. Madoka Kaname is still remembered, the record of her existence remains and with it so does she (even as the Law of Cycles). It is an improvement on episode 12 even if it is far from the perfect ending.It's improvement over long term timelines Even then, in the end Walpurgisnacht herself was eventually saved from the cruel fate of being a Witch by Madoka. I'm confident that the same will one day be true of Madoka with Homura. She will see her existence be given a truly happy ending by Homura one dayJust depends on how money SHAFT can make by pumping out sequels before that happens
>>290550329Are there any plot points in Madoka that cannot be solved by someone raping someone?
>>290553451Who did Mami need to rape to get over her issues though
>>290553322Fundamentally it's the only interpretation I've seen that makes (to a lesser extent) reference to some of the higher ideas that the original series + Rebellion, and broadly a lot of Urobuchi's works, tend to try and convey. Or at least, it makes reference to higher ideas in general.Something like 'Homura dreamed the end and is essentially in the LoC already but not really' is a bad ending to me since it doesn't engage with this order of thinking that the original series and Rebellion did. It, alongside most ideas about the ending, doesn't say anything in connection or contrast philosophically to anything at all. Which is something a lot of Urobuchi's works do. Even if it isn't done as well this time under the idea of "Meguca Hegelianism is real or something". Which is understandable considering that this film is the least Urobuchi Urobuchi movie imaginable, and is much more of a Inu Curry project.
>>290553527Me
>>290553781Thank you based inu curry-sama
>>290553527The other way around.
SayaDUMB
Will she appear in the next movie
Sayarizz
I am now baptized homu
>>290554295Congrats, HomurAnon
For the anons that have seen it, is there cool action scenes? How is the action? Is it as cool as Rebellion? Thats all I really care about, that and Sayaka.
Kyouko feels like she will become an ara ara the moment she learns what sex is
>>290554353>that and Sayaka.There's a ton of Sayaka in the film
>>290554422Oh fuck yeah!
Steins;Gate is better than this tranime
>>290554353desu nothing as cool as Mami vs Homu in RebelliionMaybe Giant QB vs Battleship MamiDevil Homu vs Wasu
>>290554487>desu nothing as cool as Mami vs Homu in RebelliionBig sad :( but oh well, if it has a lot of Sayaka I will still be happy af
>is there cool action scenes?Apparently there are a decent number of fights but nothing as good as Homura vs MamiPeople seem to enjoy the final, final one a lot but it ends abruptly >SayakaShe's the second most important returning character behind Homura and ahead of Nagisa
>>290537774Not watching this trash. Steins;Gate is better
>>290554460Tranime anime tratralalallala
>>290554353I thought it was awesome, better action than the shonen movies coming out and with the artistic flair you expect. I think on a technical level it is as good but the main thing missing compared to >>290554487 is that instead of two characters you love fighting it's characters you love vs literally who so the emotional impact is not the same.
>>290554460>steins gate has a literal tranny in it>meanwhile everyone in madoka is straight
>>290554302Thanks
The kabedon scene was the best part of the movie
I'm really glad that Yuuki and Saito talked a little bit about the ending in that interview the VA's did yesterday.
What if Homura cared for this thing instead
I don't believe that it's meant to be an entirely sad ending
>>290537774Now that the movie flopped critically and commercially, where does the franchise go from here?
>>290555038>commerciallyIt's doing better than Rebellion
>>290555038>criticallyThe target audience loves it
>>290554739I'll buy every figure of her. Too cute.
>>290555137>The target audience loves itHomusayafags? Those guys are the only people I've seen praise it universally
>>290555052>>290555137Japan moved on from Madoka long ago and Kaiten failed to revive interest. It's a flop
>>290555167Cope
>290555038bad baitnay sayers will come around to it
>>290555165Hetgods.
>>290555260What did it rip off
>>290555544nta but Steins Gate is about a guy using time travel to try and save his friend's life over and over. SG also fucked its ending up too so idk why anons say its better.
>>290555544They're both queer media.
>>290555790Only steins gateNothing queer in madoka
>>290541864>againShe never did before and that was the problem.
Selma more like Sexma.
So the official take on the ending is even more unimaginably slop than we thought?
>>290556281her pole dancing was erotic.
>>290556281I want a doujin about her and Kyubey
Are these things in the movie?
>>290537774Why can't they let this story end?
>>290557024Yes but they do nothing relevant.
>>290557096Money.>>290543533>>Chiwa Saito: Now that the Walpurgis issue—which had been a cause for concern in this instalment of ‘Kaiten’—has been resolved, we can focus entirely on rescuing MadokaJesus this sounds like such a giant misunderstanding of what the series and Rebellion were about. What do you mean "Now that the Walpurgis issue has been resolved" when that was made up entirely for this movie? This is basically declaring the whole thing was filler. What do you even mean "rescuing Madoka"?
>>290543533Maybe they actually did cut it in two parts
>>290554583>Yuri derangement syndrome
>>290554222Unironically the most important episode to get into the movie's themes and this is the fucking magireco anime.
>>290556281Most rapeable meguca maybe
How do you respond without sounding mad?
>>290557656Madoka that's insensitive she doesn't even have a bath
How long till it's on nyaa?
>>290557973No one really cares so it will take a long time probably
Urobuchi is not someone who writes sequels for his stories, because he always exhaustively explore the idea his characters are built upon then usually kill them off after they've served their intended purpose, as there is no longer anything else left for the character to develop. The follow-up movie for his TV series, when he's allowed to work in the way he wants, serves as an affirmation of the ending of his original work. Psycho Pass is the clearest example, and Rebellion would've been the same if not for the ending rewrite request from Shinbo.
>>290554460S;G is trash.
>>290558252>Rebellion would've been the same if not for the ending rewrite request from Shinbo.How did the story of Rebellion develop? What did they change?
Heard there's no group maho shojo transformation?
>>290558252Urobuchi's endings never resolve anything because Urobuchi is a pseud hack without any convictions.
>>290558344homu should have died and went to LoC instead of pulling the devil shit
>>290537774No camrip until 2027.
>>290557540But only you mentioned yuri
>>290558344Madoka and Homura were originally going to reunitein the LoC, which would have been as I said, an affirmation of the TV series's story. And that is always the "solution" to their conflict anyways no matter how hard SHAFT will keep trying to squeeze this franchise dry. The JP Madoka fans are fighting on Twitter now and it's not the same kind of fight that happened after Rebellion 13 years ago. They're actually fighting over the quality of Kaiten instead of the ending, which is honestly very disheartening to me as a long-time fan.
I still cant believe HomuSaya is canon now
>>290557571No but the first meguca I have sexual feelings this strong for. Which is good for me but also a sign this is no longer the same franchise. Official characters should not be this close to OCs I'd make up if I was writing porn of the series.
>>290558252>Rebellion would've been the same if not for the ending rewrite request from ShinboThere is a long standing myth about that that the very interview people twist the word from actually disproves. The Homudevil twist was decided very early, and only after it was in place did Gen write the movie, which was entirely written with that in mind and building towards it.>[Interviewer]: So the plot came together based on the concept of Madoka and Homura becoming enemies.>Urobuchi: That’s right. Once I knew the direction I was working for, everything came together, so I wrote the screenplay after that. I wrote the first draft, and then came the revisions, and it ended up as it is now. >https://feral-phoenix.livejournal.com/685568.htmlThe request to change the direction of the movie happened during the brainstorming phase, not last minute like people say, and Urobuchi was actually pretty happy with it because it gave him a direction to work with. Yes they discussed it and it wasn't his original plan, but again this is all during the brainstorming stages, where it's entirely normal for that to happen. Yes, Gen would have gone with a reaffirmation like you said if he had 0 supervision, but it's not like he only changed his mind because they pointed a gun to his head.For what it's worth the interview here also has the "Rebellion is a sequel to the movies which are an alternate take / universe and the series is complete in itself" bit which is healthy and officially sanctioned cope now that Kaiten exists but still cope because the movies aren't meaningfully different enough to actually feel like an AU (and frankly visually the BD to Movie version jump is often less extreme than the TV to BD one), and because the final scene in the series still exists in a way that sets up Rebellion too well to not have been planned, even location-wise.
>>290558376The Godzilla ending was pretty conclusive and one of the few parts that don't suck even if it's really funny.
>>290558561quality? as in animation and music? writing?
So I take that Mami and Kyouko are basically non-characters in the movie, right? Hardly anyone mentions them and it’s all about Dokes, Homu, Sayak and Cheese.
>>290559379Just like Rebellion.
>>290558561>Madoka and Homura were originally going to reunitein the LoCif they did this in Kaiten, the reception would be better than the current open ending.
>>290557564Which episode was it, again? It's been a while since I saw MR and I memoryholed most of it.
>>290559263I'm not claiming it was a last minute change. I'm saying it was a change from the original idea regardless. And such a huge change will impact the themes and structure of not only the movie's story but also any potential follow-up or spin-off works moving forward.
>>290559379They're irrelevant and some fans are even saying they don't feel like the characters we knew either. Basically only Sayaka's portrayal in this movie is praised.
>>290551832
Do the Clara dolls do anything of relevance in the movie?
>>290552840>>290553781they deserved it. imagine waiting 10+ years for this shit.
>>290559776Steins;Gate fans are just shitty like that.
>>290559731Yeah, I know, I'm just saying I see the idea that it was a last minute thing thrown around a lot ITT.
>>290558561>reunitein the LoC>affirmation of the TV seriesHow's that the case? The series ends even better. Homura keeps fighting. They already are reunited, Homura can hear Madoka, they are spiritually connected. Your interpretation of LoC sounds like silly western notion of heaven, "Homura dying is actually a good thing". No, it's not. And even if LoC offers an afterlife, that does not make Madoka any less of a concept, does not make her corporeal.
>>290559992It readfirms that the only solution was Madoka's.
>>290560090>no don't eat shit you have to drink piss, that tastes more similar to WagyuHow about neither?
Rabid Homutards are always so fucking retarded and disingenuous. Enjoy the endless follow-up slops of this franchise from now on then.
So another inconclusive ending?I'm getting tired of this. It's been a lot of years since Rebellion. I dunno if this is worth it. I want this story to conclude already.
>>290559448S2 episode 1.
Anime's ending>Madoka erased her own existence (a suicide)>Sayaka is death>Kyoko lost Sayaka and her life was still awfull>Homura choose to life only to fight and keep fighting until the day of her death (pretty healthy lifestyle)>Being a magical girl still sucks>The big bad got away without any punishmentRebellion's ending>All girls are alive and got better outcomes (Mami isn't alone, Kyoko has Sayaka, Madoka is having a normal life, Sayaka and Nagisa are alive, Homura got what she wanted)>Kyubey's is facing the consequences of their actions>Magical girls are in the same place than in the OG ending (Homura said the LoC will work even without Madoka, and as far I've seen, no spoiler from Kaiten contradicts that and all problems came forn the new girls)Is really that hard to see which one was the better ending?
Guessing we don't got any brave camrip uploads yet (besides the audio leak)?
>>290560971>>no spoiler from Kaiten contradicts thatDownright wrong. The LoC is shitting itself without Madoka.>>290560482The story ended with the series.
>>290559992>Your interpretation of LoC sounds like silly western notion of heavenRebellion shows Madoka as the LoC can send her merry megucas like angels to do her bidding and they seem happy as fuck about helping her and then she descends from the heavens on a cheerful parade and when Homura breaks her apart Sayaka is pissed as all fuck at her so I'd say "the LoC is a nice place to be" is the interpretation Rebellion pushes.
>>290561132Not before Selema's try to turn Madoka into a witch (from what I understand, that started a chain reaction tha leaded to that)
>>290561267>Rebellion shows Madoka as the LoC can send her merry megucas like angels to do her biddingThe notes of Rebellion said all girls the LoC takes merge with "the goddness" and are put to sleep for all eternity. That can be awakened and separated from the goddess but only for a mission.Do you understand now why Nagisa choose Homura's world over the LoC?
LoC is some nirvana instead of lesbian heaven people meme
>>290553834>>290553838>>290555319>>290558716I still can't believe you're the sole shitposter in these threads after 15 whole years.
>>290560971>Kyouko wasn't happy after the series because uh Sayaka or somethingNice headcanon retard
>>290561132The only real "downside" is that sometimes mystery magical girl just resurrects herself through a weird crack in the backroom. And some megucas find the Madokaless LoC a little less comforting
>>290560971You misrepresent the endings. But the problem with Rebellion is not the end state. It's that it butchers the characters and the plot does not make sense.
>>290561979You're a schizo. Only 1 of those is my post
>>290562986That's ack
>>290555038Save Madoka Magica from Madoka.
>>290554460even this garbage ass gacha bait movie is miles better than steins gate
Tell me bros, did Meguka really got Veil Guarded?
>>290560971you think kyubey is "the big bad" and death is a bad thing even after the law of cycles was given a cute moe formpeople like you are why anime is so shit
>>290562083What were Kyouko last words in the anime? What was the first thing she told to Sayaka after regain her memories in Rebellion?Retard.>>290562703>You misrepresent the endings.How?>It's that it butchers the characters and the plot does not make sense.No, it doesn't.>>290564391you think kyubey is "the big bad" and death is a bad thing even after the law of cycles was given a cute moeKyubey is the cause of all the suffering in the series and death is death no matter how it looks.
>>290561565>The notes of RebellionAre not the movie. Believing external material is a cucked and retarded mentality and I don't understand why it's so prevalent. If it's not in the fucking thing you're talking about it doesn't matter, and if you want something to matter you put it in the fucking thing. Or do you want to argue the bullshit Gen has said in some interviews overrides the series itself where the two contradict each other?
>>290564391QB is very clearly portrayed as the big bad this movie. The main antagonist is obsessed with him, and the post-credits scene reveal that the whole thing was actually his plan and it went keikaku doori.
I hope we get a good image of the bench because it's 100% going in the collage.
Despite what the author thinks Homura was right and rebellion's ending was perfect
>>290560971Not all endings are "good" just because you got surface level "muh ships and happy characters"
>>290564985The only reason the bench is a meme is because of cuck chair meme and Madoka and Homura's relationship was represented by chairs since Rebellion and if it's a bench this time it might mean they're closer than before
>>290564842>The notes of the movie's production have nothing to do with what is inside of the movieRetarded.>where the two contradict each other?There's not contradiction. We never see how is the LoC in the anime and Nagisa says "I just wanted to eat cheese again" which means you can't do that in the LoC, which doesn't make it look like a magical girl heaven at all.
>>290562986>>290563134Why should anyone believe you?
>>290565088>post talks about the series>reply about the movieOf course a retard like you is illiterate too. That's why you need to be told what to think. Kill yourself, please.
Didn't people say LoC was just death and nothing else even before movies?
>>290565143>post talks about the series>reply about the movieThe same thing you did >>290561267 before
>>290564842>where the two contradict each other?Yeah where's the contradiction
>>290565264When Gen said actually each Homuloop is a new universe with a new Madoka and all the old ones stay dead as their timelines continue.
>>290564673>Kyouko was sad when her friend died, therefore that means she will never ever be happy in her life if that specific friend isn't around
I don't understand how afterlifefags can exist when Madoka being all alone as LoC is literally Homura's sole motivation from Rebellion onwards
>>290565018>surface level "muh ships and happy characters"Their lifes became better and that's a fact.>>290565411>that means she will never ever be happy in her life if that specific friend isn't aroundThat was not my argument, retarded.And Sayaka aside, she got herself out of the streets, which puts her in a better place.
I feel like the next movie will affect how people see Kaiten much more than Kaiten has affected Rebellion, and Kaiten's ending has already affected Rebellion a lot
>>290565018There's no ships in rebellion though
>>290565699>she got herself out of the streetsTemporarilyAnd she has the guilt of living at a friend's house for freeShe actually expresses that in one of the Rebellion side stories from the gacha
Regardless of how you interpret the ending I think Kaiten ends in a way that demands a follow up as much if not more than the original anime or RebellionIt also has that phone ringing scene and the Kyubey scene at the very end, which is like x2 the sequel bait the original anime did. It feels like it will be much more affected. You can stop at Rebellion and have an open ending but you can't really do the same here
>>290565544Homura is a retard who makes assumptions.>>290565743Not true. There is one. Homura rides on it I'm pretty sure.
>>290565847>Homura is a retard who makes assumptionsMore like observations. That are never denied by any other character.
>>290565315I meant about the afterlife in LoC
>>290565233Yeah which is why I expect Meguca heaven to be created eventually, probably in the final movie somehow, so that everyone could be reunited after death
>>290565847>Homura is a retard who makes assumptions.Madoka is saying the same things with her.
>>290565544That tidbit doesn't exist in the show, and only exists in Rebellion and all materials after it. No matter what you think, it's very clear that the show intended the LoC to be seen as a good thing, and Rebellion retconned it not because they intended it all along (since the original ending was just Madoka saving Homura) but as a slop, hacky way to extend the franchise.
>>290566043LoC was a good thing for everyone but Madoka. That's literally the point. Them dying is better than witching out.
>>290566043A good painless death not afterlife heaven
>Not even Urobuchi thought Madoka taking Homura to the LoC was a good ending
Why did this take so long to come out? Rebellion and GTA 5 both came out 13 years ago. Was gacha able to sustain interest the same way Rockstar's endless milking did?
>>290566043Episode 12 makes it clearThe Law of Cycles is a good thing but not for Madoka
>>290566222>Would that make HOMU happy? (not talking about Madoka)>Shinbo's opinion... >Rebellion Material Book.png
>>290566238Script rewrites + Redesigns + SHAFT scheduling being shit
>>290564391Kyubey IS the big bad.>he posits that, as a super advanced race able to exist beyond time and space, they are doing the MG operation to stave off entropy. a phenomena that IF true, it could take MILLIONS of years from the Pov of the rest of the universe. if the Qoobs are indeed trying to help, they could have done something NOT involving murdering innocent humans AEONS AGO.>their plan in Rebellion was to take over the LoC and bring back the age of witches, since according to them, thats how they got the most amount of energy for their plans compared to Madoka's plan.>and now here in REVENGEANCE, they have access to walpurgis witch archive, they can summon and control witches at will! do you even have an iota of an idea how is that bad?Madoka's deal as the Loc is ambiguous, and i can agree it might not be a good thing, but defending the space rats? REALLY!?
>>290566282>>290566087It was portrayed as a fucking great thing for Madoka, an orchestra and an entire prettified sequence where she becomes a shiny, smiling, confident god in comparison to the simpering unsure girl she was in the entire series is obviously considered good in any visual language in any show ever. It is only bad, though really it's only bittersweet, for the people she left behind, which is just Homura who she granted the honor of remembering her. And even Homura is presented as getting closure through Madoka's little brother reminiscing with her.
>>290566298>Ignoring the part where he talks about how Homura will disappear if taken by the LoC>He agreed with Shinbo's vision>Official book
>>290566427Urobuchi doesn't talk about Madoka or anyone else hating the LoC, he just said Homura might not like it because she wants to sexo Madoka, not be floating in naked lesbian space. Agreeing or not it doesn't change the fact that Shinbo was the guy who said "isn't it too much?" not Urobuchi, which means he didn't have the idea at first. Also, because it's in Rebellion, that cements my statement that all the tidbits about "LoC bad" is never in the actual original show.
>>290537774https://files.catbox.moe/nf1dve.mp4i think these subs are machine translated but theyre still subs
>>290566396Mami tells Madoka its a fate worse than death in episode 12 and Kyouko agrees with her
>>290566396>She's smiling so she can't possibly be in pain
>>290566625It's presented in an exaggerated "are you ready to take on this burden way" not with a genuine dour mood and tone. It is still overall portrayed as good as both are smiling, supportive, and the conversation ends with Madoka being said as the hope of every. Also>
>>290566526>he just said Homura might not like it because she wants to sexo Madoka, not be floating in naked lesbian space.Again, he saids Homura will disappear. Think about in implications of that.>which means he didn't have the idea at firstExactly. He never thought about the implication of a 14 years old becoming literal god and after Shinbo pointed that out for him, he thought "Damn, he's right".>Also, because it's in Rebellion, that cements my statement that all the tidbits about "LoC bad" is never in the actual original show.They pretty much show it as a bandage fix at best and Homura, Kyouko and Mami talk about it as a heavy fate. Madoka going along regardless doesn't change that. It's supossed to be a tragic outcome.
>>290566640>If I ignore everything about what it means to have 90% of the last episode portrayed with smiles, hope, light, and triumphant music then the last episode actually portrays Madoka and the LoC as a morally gray grimdark decision
I think I get what the ending is trying to do
>>290566852Enlighten us
>>290566806The implications of Homura disappearing are just her not being corporal and in some pseudo heaven, it's not like she literally will. Sayaka and Nagisa seem just fine and not insane, the "disappearing" isn't literal. And no, again, episode 12 is unambiguously positive, characters talking about "isn't it a heavy burden?" and then Madoka smiling and resolutely saying yes, and then the rest of the sequence showing how great it is, makes it positive, not some characters being unsure about it at first. You need to stop looking at the literal lines and instead the direction, music, and general tone of the scene. It's bittersweet and only because of Homu, not tragic.
>>290566908Madoka made her own choice that goes against both the loC and Homura. We see her say something we can't hear to the LoC which makes it seem like, on the LoC's end, something would have to be differentThat's why we hear her speaking to Homura at the very end of the ending. She's not human but she's now able to at least interact with Homura as someone outside of the law of cycles
>>290565958There's no proof that's actually Madoka talking in-universe and not an out of universe summary of events or Homura's schizo delusion. It's a voiceover during an artsy intro sequence that Homutards have gotten obsessed with.
>>290566950>The implications of Homura disappearing are just her not being corporal and in some pseudo heavenDebunked by the production notes.>and then Madoka smiling and resolutely saying yes, and then the rest of the sequence showing how great it isAgain, she's not denying it is a heavy burden. She's saying "anyway, I will accept it".>and then the rest of the sequence showing how great it is, makes it positiveUntil we reach the part were Sayaka dies again, Kyouko regrets her death and Mami talks about how the fate of each magical girl is fight until their death (being taken by the LoC), which is supossed to portray the life of a magical girl stil sucks.The very last shot we got, Homura fighting alone in a desolate land makes the point.>It's bittersweet and only because of Homu, not tragic.Is bitterweet because things are somewhat better but are still overall bad.
>>290567317>There's no proof that's actually Madoka talking in-universe and not an out of universe summary of events or Homura's schizo delusion.Wow. These are some serious levels of cope.
>dying is bad>that's why Homura ensuring Madoka will die is a good thingHomucucks are fucking pathetic.
I want to get raped by Selma. I hope for some doujin soon.
>>290566838Because it was hope for everyone else. It’s a sacrifice.
>>290567435>that's why Homura ensuring Madoka will die is a good thingHomura taking her away from the LoC (nonexistence) is literaly she keeping Madoka alive.
>They say in the show Madoka's decision is a heavy one>that means it's bad for her>she couldn't possibly be happy despite the weight of her burden>she's retarded for sacrificing herself willingly for the good of others and I know better>suffering is always bad and good is only when you only feel goodHow much of a spineless retarded hedonist swine do you have to be for the world's most blatant Christ metaphor to fly over your head and for you to think if something is hard to do then it can't be worth doing? How brain damaged do you have to be to miss the point of Madoka still choosing to go through with it in spite of the struggle of it and granting everyone hope and salvation that way? How much of a mentally weak and stunted subhuman are you to see her literally carrying everyone's despair and actually succeeding in uplifting everyone from it (herself included, because she also saves herself) and think actually that's bad?
>>290567164This is just https://fusetter.com/tw/rQoQsM46It's a nice theory tho, makes the story less painful
>>290567522Calm down, Kyubey
I'm confident that one day she will get her desire and that she and Madoka will be allowed to be happy
>>290567652This sounds like pure cope and they didn't get to talk. All around unsatisfying.
>>290566567That is all insanely MagiReco coded.
>>290567650Because Urobuchi literally is incapable of thinking anyone could be happy doing something hard like that.To him life is pure suffering for literally everyone.
>>290566526Homura isn't a crazy lesbian
I'm just kind of pissed that we didn't get word of Urobuchi's lack of involvement until after the movie released. If I knew to expect Psycho-Pass 2, I wouldn't have been so disappointed.
>>290567522She's still alive right? I want her to come back and be schizo and sex.
>>290567933Aniplex won't kill a single girl anymore after the main series/Rebellion.They are needed for merchandise.
>>290567642>is literaly she keeping Madoka aliveFor how long? Madoka will die one day. Even if Homura keeps stalking her all her life, she'll grow old and pass. Or do you want Homura to keep her a little girl forever? Do you want her to keep all her friends playing out the same days over and over in her little dollhouse town while the world outside it rots along? Is that your idea of a good ending? What will Homura do when Madoka Kaname is dead? Will she allow her soul to be with the LoC again or will she let it fade away forever? Or will she keep it to herself?Congrats on outing yourself as an ESL retard btw.
>>290567650Who are you quoting?Anon is outright denying her burden even exists.
>>290568162>>290566806
>>290568006Is this Kyouko design in the movie?
>>290565699dumb ESL poster
>>290567894Same
>>290567894He was involved, they just heavily changed his script
>>290567774>This sounds like pure cope>All around unsatisfying.Pretty much every ending theory is one of the two or both.Even the better LoC idea still suffers a bit from being both and that's the one satisfying end idea I've seen that isn't complete cope
>>290566526Urobuchi said multiple times Homura isn’t gay and doesn’t want to fuck Madoka, larper
>>290568054>For how long? Madoka will die one day.Yes, after live a long, satisfactory life.
>>290568006The way this is better than the shit we got.The redesigns are still crap except for Sayaka's though.
>>290568054This would make for a great tragedy though
>>290568410> after live a long, satisfactory life.At least try to speak English so your dump opinion doesn't look even dumber.
>>290568503I like the redesigns but they need to be explained
I still think 'in the end Homura is in a dream where she won and can be with Madoka' is the worst theory to come out of thisJust doesn't feel like something Madoka would do honestly, it feels too fucking mean
>>290568296Not saying he had zero involvement, but his entire interview in the pamphlet was just him talking about how little he did. He's checked out. I don't blame him, I just wished they'd been upfront about it earlier.
>>290568581Unfortunately we have to just theorize it was caused by Homura's world. Nothing we can do unless the post movie interviews say something.Madoka's redesign itself makes sense in context already, with the lock and how it looks like a weird messed up mix of her old outfit with her LoC outfit. But we have nothing on everyone else.
>>290568605The concept movie is probably about his original script, while Kaiten is what remains after others changed it
>>290568680I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Madoka’s redesign is in the concept movie while the others aren’t
>>290568789He said he had no ideas to begin with and just pieced together a script from Inu Curry's ideas.
>>290568789>while Kaiten is what remains after others changed itYeahFrom what we know based on the concept movie and what Urobuchi has said>Madoka would've been less involved with the story. Like a princess everyone fights over>Homura and Sayaka wouldn't have gotten along>Homura was going to be more powerful and like a 'king maker'. (the Claradoll swarm thing from the concept movie was probably something she was going to do in the birthplace of witches but that was scrapped, for example)>Choka would die In some ways I like this more but it still doesn't sound all that good, and is worse in some ways (like with Madoka)
>>290568503I hope we'll have some figure with this design.. But i doubt it...
>>290568977>Homura and Sayaka wouldn't have gotten alongThere’s an ack baiter in the team confirmed
>>290568977>>Madoka would've been less involved with the story. Like a princess everyone fights overThe irony of no one, not even the narrative, treating Madoka like a human being after the stink Rebellion threw about it.
>>290568512Homufags would never allow it because it would show their precious cow having done something wrong.
camrips...?
>>290568581>but they need to be explainedThey don't. Media is experienced through a filter. What you see is not what is happening and what the characters see. It's a representation. This is a basic fact about media and especially more abstracted media like animation. The outfits are represented different now because they are. It's no different than an animation style shift. You may as well be asking why their faces are shaped different.
>>290569190And his name Inu Curry>>290569232Maybe one day we will get something that has Madoka be the actual main character
>>290567894I don't get why people are upset, it's been a decade since he's done anything good
>>290569493Fuck offI need to know what Kyouko canonically looks like
>>290570088Like a 3DPD.
