>Everybody and their dog thought Devilmura or "Ai" Clara Doll was dancing with Madoka in the PVs>It was actually Walmart-chan all along>Nips are saying she's Madoka's "senpai" and has been flirting with Dokes in front of Homo's face>Afterwards Devilmura gets BTFO'd so hard by said senpai>voiced by: Maaya SakamotoKWAB status?
>>290568311Homu getting cucked by walpurgis night is unironically kino
>>290568311STEINS;GATE WON
So this is the best (as in, most satisfying) theory (with evidence) that we have right now for what the ending means, right?fusetter.com/tw/y8CMIYPJ>>290543533>>290544329>>290553322>>290553538
>>290568311>>Maaya SakamotoMUH FUCKING DICK
>>290568311Rebellion was shit too that ruined the anime, why is anyone surprised the new movie is shit
Homu...
>>290568498Won the shit anime award maybe
How long until we see The Bench
>>290568311BENCHED
>>290569267It ruined your headcanons
fusetter.com/tw/so55UL39An interpretation of what Kaiten means for the rest of the series and what happens next that I liked
>>290570619>we're reduced to literal "pick the headcanon you like"Absolute disaster of an ending and everything will be disproven by the next movie anyway.
>>290552989>3.33 had a camrip up within 24 hourI find that unlikely considering 3.33 isn't the name of the version that was in theatres.
Is a sequel confirmed?
>>290570841Movie literally ends with a "Madoka will return" post credits screen.So no, not yet, it'll probably take a decade.
>3 full days have passed and there still hasn’t even been a partial camrip uploadedLiterally why? It shouldn’t be that difficult to get a recording using one of those micro camera for creepshot
>>290570796That's how all open endings that barely explain themselves tend to be like, right?>>290570841No but there's an mid credit scene setting up the next oneAnd both Yuuki and Saito have talked about what they want from the next oneAnd it was marketed as the start of a new chapterAnd it's doing better in the Japanese box office than Rebellion was by this point in time (even including that the Yen is now worth less domestically than it was in 2013)So you tell me
>>290570796>pick the headcanon you likeWith an ending like that you kinda have to. Shit seems poorly explained regardless of what it is actually trying to do >>290571132Rebellion still took a week for one and Japs get hyper pissed about camripsWe will probably get one after it comes out in Taiwan
>>290571280I remember the first "rip" of rebellion that came out being someone just recording the audio. Listening to that without any of the visual context was such a unique experience.
>>290571404Has already partly happened for this too, no?
>>29057140443 minutes of walpurgis no kaiten got ripped, was uploaded a few threads ago
>>290571428>>290571404>>290571444https://file.kiwi/fbb6ee6b#u9X61wWEn8h1GW4436ZUTQ,8cd5c806
>>290570796>we're reduced to literal "pick the headcanon you like"That was Rebellion. Rebellion allowed to make many headcanons. Kaiten broke a lot of headcanons and some fans are mad.
Someone also uploaded a catbox file of just what Madoka says to Homura at the endhttps://files.catbox.moe/s1xznu.mp3Please one they let them be happy together, SHAFT
>>290571661That's actually true, Rebellion's ending in itself was very ambiguous.
>>290571661>That was RebellionPlease stop pushing this retarded take. Rebellion is extremely explicit about what happens in its ending. It allows a lot of possibilities for what happens *afterwards*, but with Kaiten we literally don't actually know what happened at the end yet. It's not the same thing at all. You can't have a proper discussion about the plot of a movie, or any piece of media, when it's this unclear what the plot actually is. And because a sequel will happen this isn't a case of an open ending left up to interpretation. There is a correct answer they will choose, but they did a disastrous job at communicating what it is. You don't need Kaiten to understand Rebellion but you will need Movie 5 to actually understand Kaiten's ending, and that's idiotic.
>>290568488Walmart fucked Tatsuya?
Anyways i wonder if is explained why Sayaka supported Devil Akumura to take back Madoka?This is important to me because Sayaka had a mission and now joining the other side sounds a bit like betrayal.I heard that Madoka looked different so maybe that was the reason? I'm confused about that part.Or was just support out of pity?
>>290571732Literally what fucking part of Rebellion's ending is ambiguous? By the end it's very clear that>The girls are back after Homura swallowed the universe in her barrier>Sayaka had her memory erased>Madoka too but her may come back >Homura is still in charge>Kyubey is her bitchAnything else that isn't directly addressed isn't really relevant either. Meanwhile in Kaiten we know that>Homura is on a bench>Qb is in the libraryWe don't know how much Homura remembers. We don't know what powers she retained. We don't know what Madoka chose to do. We don't know the current state of the world. It's nowhere near comparable.
>>290571845I still think we are somehow missing the flower scene equivalent of Kaiten. Something that makes what Madoka did, whatever she did, make sense with Homura being happy about it.Homura being happy even after Madoka leaves and everyone, including Walp, telling her to go after Madoka needs to mean something
>>290571940>We don't know how much Homura remembers. We don't know what powers she retainedWe don't even know IF she forgot anything and IF she lost any of her powers. She still has her ring so it seems that she is still Homucifer somehow, at least until Madoka leaves with the LoC
>>290571967Kaiten properly being in our hands will remind us all that normies are fucking retarded and they missed something obvious, yes. >>290571921People made a lot of HomuSaya fanart so the franchise will now pair them as friends (without ever committing to anything more) the same way SayaKyoko being popular after the series made them add that scene in Rebellion of them holding hands.
>>290571845I'm talking about headcanons, not necessarily the ending but obviously the ending are part of it.Rebellion had so many references in all parts of the movie that many people made a lot of headcanons.
Either way it's pretty clearly not meant to be an (entirely) happy endingJust listen to>>290571485or even just >>290571677And tell me that Madoka is happy about what she's doing
>>290571940>Anything else that isn't directly addressed isn't really relevant either.This is dishonest. Not because is relevant for you means it's not relevant for everyone. As for me the mystery behind Walpurgis and origin of witches was very important.
>>290572049Rebellion allowed to have lots of your own ideas about different parts of the movie's story, but that story was solid and clear. Kaiten (as we understand so far) requires you to in order to fill the gaps it didn't bother to fill itself, including the literal capstone to the plot.
>>290572113This is because you're autistic, and your opinion is irrelevant. Rebellion's ending satisfyingly addresses the elements that Rebellion itself places emphasis on, Kaiten doesn't.
>>290572138Kaiten literally filled one of the biggest misteries: The origin of Walpurgis and witches.It filled an important gap from the TV series.
>>290572113>As for me the mystery behind Walpurgis and origin of witches was very important.Not to Rebellion tho
>>290572165>Rebellion's ending satisfyingly addresses the elements that Rebellion itself places emphasis onNo, if you see Rebellion again is full of referenses, visually dense only for headcanons of pedantic people.>and your opinion is irrelevant.I think you hate Kaiten because you were one of them of those pedantic people. My opinion irrelevant? Well what about your headcanons now?
At the very least I can be glad that everyone basically ends up telling Homura to go and save MadokaEven her two greatest enemies, Sayaka and Walpurgis, basically tell her to stop being sad about everything and save her
If the subs posted for the opening minutes are accurate: Putting aside how much it fucking feels like the same writing as in MagiReco; the Homuphone being limited to just the city and not the rest of the world is a massive downscale and rather retarded decision compared to the end of Rebellion. Are we supposed to assume the rest of the world is being overrun by monsters? That Homura's influence is limited to a single city?
If the ending was clear I doubt that people would have any problems
>>290569267honestly, true, i gave rebellion the benefit of the doubt and wanted to like itbut in retrospect rebellion caused this movie, I caused this movie by not speaking out about it, I'm so sorry
>>290572238Because Rebellion spent a lot of time in justifying Homura actions, her thoughts and a fake world were everyone seemed happy. Rebellion wasted more than 70% in that iirc. There was no more time for solving other misteries. Kaiten advanced the plot more than Rebellion objectively.Rebellion is good for me but Kaiten is not behind.
>>290572488>but in retrospect rebellion caused this movieMagireco did, actuallyWe would've gotten a different (but still pretty bad sounding) sequel to Rebellion if they didn't revise the script back in 2021
>>290572208>The origin of Walpurgis and witchesLiterally not a mystery. Witches were just the natural result of the process in the series, the intended way Incubators had found to achieve their desired result. In fact magical girls in Madoka are literally called Mahou Shoujo "because it makes sense to call the young state of witches that." Witches being a latter addition is the biggest and worst fucking retcon in the series honestly. It's only a mystery because Kaiten told you it was, when it's thoroughly explained in the TV show as the way things are and have always been.Walpurgis has always been a collection of witches. It getting an explanation finally is neat, but it was never important. Again, you're autistic and incapable of interfacing with media.
In the end I'll just wait to see the movie myself I hope after seeing it I can believe in the whole 'The LoC is actually less bad now for Madoka because she is remembered' thing because I still think it's the only head canon for the ending that I actually like that could actually be what happened
>>290572621I like Madocunt interpretations personally. It at least gives her a personality. It makes Homura's actions more justified if anything.
>>290572593>Kaiten's loredump hinges on Kyubey having lied for no reason while monologuing to himself all aloneBravo
Just watched Rebellion for the first time yesterdayWhy did Charlotte/Nagisa get special treatment over elsamaria or any other witch? Why didn't Madoka offer walprugisnacht a chance at redemption?
>>290571859Last time retard, Mami Life take is non-canon joke spin-off aimed at bored housewives and authors own personal take and joke not connected in any way to actual franchise canon, so fuck off already.
>>290572593LOL. Calm down.>It's only a mystery because Kaiten told you it was,According to who? you? When you learn that people can have different doubts and questions about an anime you will have the right to call other people autistic.
>>290572710Because Mami needed a pair
>>290572539>Kaiten advanced the plotsingle phrase that has made me rage the most in all the discussion around madoka, congratulations this is very special
>>290572746according to me, fuck you
>>290572754>Mami needed a pairI thought she already had one.
>>290572710Nagisa was added because her witch was popular. Rebellion was trying to cater to the fans very hard. The first 40 minutes are proof.>>290572780>single phrase that has made me rage the most in all the discussion around madoka, congratulations this is very specialHonestly, i have no right to like Kaiten while being here?
>>290572906It's kind of amazing how great Rebellion turned out while explicitly adding fanservice stuff to the story, since usually that goes badly. Sasuga Urobuchi.
>>290571677Man, Madoka sounds miserable.
>>290572668I dislike it but it's really funny to shitpost about. Combined with shit like Bench posting and Green Kyouko we have at least a few good memes out of this whole ordeal>It makes Homura's actions more justified if anythingPretty much everything does. Even if she lost she was still justified entirely by this film. Even if Madoka isn't suffering as much she is justified because Homura is the reason for it. Even if Madoka is a cunt who just left her I'd say Homura justified, even if in that case she should really move on
>>290572906>i have no right to like Kaiten while being here?It's fine if you enjoy itAt most like 3 people here actually have seen it anyway
>>290572906>Honestly, i have no right to like Kaiten while being here?noespecially not if you say things like that
>>290572961>Madoka is miserable as she leaves Homura>Homura is happy and doesn't seem like she will ever give up on Madoka, even after Madoka is goneSomehow these facts are both true and I don't understand how at all
>>290573016Spoilers look promising to me, i'm excited, but we still need to see the movie, is true.I just wanted discussion in good faith without starting namecalling. I'm sure it can be done.
Will the manga by Hanokage make the ending more clear?
>>290573262just wait for movie 6, we haven't even met half of the cast
So was this worth the wait
>>290573378Not if you're a Rebellionfag who expected more Homuwank or MadoHomu
>>290573378Yes.>>290573423Exactly, i feel homuwankers and Madohomufags don't like the spoilers. Maybe Kyosayafags too.I still can't understand much homuwankers because Homura won some small things overall.
>>290573378no
>>290573423It descaled devilhomu now she can't beat goku
Evil succubus
>>290572995I more so mean it's so OOC for Madoka that it would work if the intent was to show being the LoC is undoing her own emotional identity.
>>290573423>>290573550mind so warped that everything is seen through which teenagers people ship together
>>290573378No but it's probably not as bad as it sounds
Mark my fucking words, this movie will get an extended cut.
I think the teacher should be a magical girlKyubey finding her a husband should be the easiest thing in the world right?
>>290573641She's not a hormonal preteen any more.
>>290573571That implies she actually puts out
>>290573592I can understand that way of looking at it.Apparently Madoka feels kinda robotic as a character throughout the film, kinda just taking shit as it comes and not really responding much outside of being vaguely nice (even after Choka tries to kill her), so I think there's some merit to the idea that her being the LoC has damaged her permanently somehow
>>290573673She makes you think that she will, but then you get roofied and somehow wake up on some park bench in Japan with your wallet stolen
>>290571677>Acording to people who saw the movie Madoka was crying through the whole thing
>>290573630Isn't that just the manga?Or maybe they will extend it for the blueray >>290573641>>290573657I'm sure Kyubey could figure out something to make her that emotional again. It wouldn't be that hard for something like him
>>290568311Shinibui
>>290573768>Crying like that>Sounding like that>Leaving Homura like that>Homura is smilingWtf does it mean
>>290573768me too, madoka, me too
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgaRVvAKoqQ
>>290573641According to wiki, some production notes say this about Roberta(she appeared in episode 10):>A witch who lived for a long time as a magical girl. She is weak, as she was no longer a girl when she became a witch.Saotome is not a young girl, she would be weak and witch out fast. Not good for her being magical girl at that age.
MagiReco won. Haters lost
>>290568311Love you meguca
>>290574535Rebellion was always Magireco. This is the truth muh "masterpiece" anons refuse to hear.
I'm not happy and I'm not sad
>>290574535But no girl from Magia record showed up.
>>290574535>>290574605
>>290574605No it wasn't
>>290574717>>290574721Haters be saying how movie is Reco influenced. We won enough.
>>290573378I'll let you know when I can actually watch the movie. So in 6 months.
Wish I had a Mami girlfriend...
>>290569267Rebellion was the best part of madoka, this new movie i feel is going to be disappointing
>>290574748>here is Charlotte but a maaaagical girl>Mami isn't a third wheel anymore she gets a girl too>Sayaka uses Octavia as a stand and is cool and mature now>Mami gunfight instead of her jobbing>The fire extinguisher again lol>KyoSaya moment>MadoHomu>Homu becomes a Super Devil like Godoka>Everyone's happy and not deadThe fanservice in Rebellion was only the beginning of the end, coper. Good execution or no, all the signs of hackery were already there.
The cuck bench
>>290568311Nice to see Homura get the humilliation ritual she deserves
>Homura is vindicated but Madoka still has to goI wonder what the other endings would've been like but I feel like somehow this is still the best one for them they came up with
>>290574962>>290574968Madoka...
>>290571677Ok. Is this what I've gathered from that scene after read a lot of spoilers and hear that audio.>Homura saves Madoka from the LoC after got a power up>Cut to Madoka and Homura together in the bench>Madoka pretty much tells her back the same lines Homura always told her in their first meeting of each timeline (the one in the school's hallway)>Madoka strokes her check and and calls her her greatest friend (callback to the end of the anime)>Cut to Madokami (LoC) and Human Madoka facing each other in a void. Madoka tell's to Madokami something that can't be hear while crying.>Madokami eyes go from golden to pink.>Madokami disappears>Cut back to the bench. Homura is sleeping alone.>Homura's lizard phone starts to ring (Homura is trying to call Madoka?)>Out of nowhere Madoka's voice says "I'm with you">Homura smiles. The phone is still ringing in the background.>Credits (Kanata starts playing)>After credits and after the Kyubey bullshit (?) we see Madokami's hand reaching the lizard phone (Answering Homura's call?). Which seems like a callback to the start of those leaked 5 minutes.Honestly, it seems like "Madoka go back but now she remaings herself as the LoC" and "She go back but she's still connected with Homura somehow" are pretty likely.
>>290574921>rebellionthe issue I have with rebellion is the fanservice bait wasn't subtle and Nagisa is a shit characterother than that it was ok
>>290575083Oh and>Beetween hallway speech and very best friend over again, she tells Homura "Even if no one wished for this worls, Will you forgive me?" or something in the line.
>>290575083>Madoka go back but now she remaings herself as the LoCThis with Homura remaining as the devil and everyone (or at least, Sayaka and Nagisa) remembering everything that they themselves and Homura has done seems to be the best possible ending for itApparently there are also shots of Mami + Kyouko, Sayaka + Nagisa and Kyubey-chan (we still need a name for her) being happy that happen around this sequence as well, but I've only heard that mentioned a few times so idk if it's true or not
>>290574938MagiReco is what artlessly repeated all those things though, not the other way around.
>>290574968I say this lovingly, but Homura is a character who is designed to suffer. That's where all her charm points come from. If she were happy she'd be boring to watch and also not nearly as popular.
>>290575240Rebellion started it, retard.
>>290575083Madoka is being a martyrpilled idiot who's going to try and fix things herself again by confronting Future Plot Element TM.
>>290575270Actually Madoka started it.
>>290575191>This with Homura remaining as the devilOh, I forgot to mention it, but Homura still has her ring. And before anyone tells she's just a magical girl, she had that ring before as devil.>Apparently there are also shots of Mami + Kyouko, Sayaka + Nagisa and Kyubey-chan (we still need a name for her) being happyI've read Nagisa and Mami at least were looking at the bench part from stands, like if they were looking at a stage play.
they offered us rebellion and we gobbled it up like hungry animals, we did this
Rebellion was beautiful eyecandy and would have been the perfect conclusion if you erased the devilmura shit at the end and just have Homura go to the cycle in peace.
>>290575344Only technically. If we're going that far then technically the Big Bang created Kaiten too.
>>290575450>she had that ring before as devilAnd she had that ring before then as a magical girl. She simply didn't lose it when she became the devil. All it proves is she's not not a magical girl, but there's no telling if she's still her devil self or not.
>>290575490Devilmura was what made it a masterpiece
>>290575560In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
>>290575695But it also meant Kaiten and more Magireco coded movies to come. Was it worth it?
>homura did nothing wrong>homura fucked up the end of rebellion and gave us a future of gacha hellwell?
>>290575083>Madoka go back but now she remaings herself as the LoCI think this has to be the one. Madoka sounds too sad for her to still be able to talk to Homura, and the ending mirrors a lot of what Walpurgis didMadoka's existence and individuality has been preserved by Homura's actions. Just like how Margaret's actions preserved the existence and individuality of all Meguca who become Witches.It's not a good ending but it still gradually improves Madoka's situation post-episode 12. Plus Homura is probably still the Devil so I'm sure she could really try again one day if she needs to
>>290575782Truly devilish. Instead of the heaven of the kino Madoka ending we get the never ending torture of endless Magireco flanderizations.
>>290575624>but there's no telling if she's still her devil selfI feel like if she wasn't that would be pointed out. Regardless she still remembers and is still able to one day see (and in her mind, hopefully save) Madoka again
Is there at least Inu Curry kino?
>>290575923who do you think wrote magireco(yes it looks good)
>>290575923There's apparently a ton of it. More than Rebellion apparently
>>290575624>And she had that ring before then as a magical girl. She simply didn't lose it when she became the devil.The rings are just the "sleep mode" of soul gems. Homura's soul gem turned into her dark orb after Rebellion. That ring is supossed to be her dark orb in "sleep mode". If she still has the ring it means she still has her dark orb, which means she's still a devil.And beyond that, there's no reason to think she lost her devil powers.
I'm sure eventually we will get a good, final ending for Madoka and Homura where both of them can smile happily
>>290575972Yeah, heh, in my bed
>>290575964>which means she's still a devilThe line Madoka has where she asks Homura if she can accept this world even if no one wished for it seems to connect to it tooHomura wished for a world where Madoka could live happilyNow, Madoka is gone but this world still remains. It's not the one Madoka originally made with her wish, it's the one Homura made modified so that Madoka has returned to being the LoC
>>290576028Sayaka...
>>290576028I say this
>>290576028That's cool, clearly male anon. Ignore the schizo erper
MagiReco (the gacha) was actually good writing-wise, it's the anime adaptation that sucked balls. Sadly the new gacha is trash all around, yet is being pushed. Did you know the Build Divide sets for Exedra and Kaiten will come out together?
>>290576140>MagiReco (the gacha) was actually good writing-wiseNot really no. The rule of ending friendships at the beginning was so fucking boring, looks like it was written for toddlers
>>290576140>MagiReco (the gacha) was actually good writing-wisehere's your (You)
Will Kyouko and Mami get to do more next time?
>>290576326 no, it's only chloe, sheila, and the girl who looks like mami but isn't mami
I love megucas
So what is more likely now?5th movie, season 2 or nothing at all?
>>290575964>Homura's soul gem turned into her dark orb after Rebellion. That ring is supossed to be her dark orb in "sleep mode".It's visually indistinguishable from her soul gem ring. There's no proof it's still her dark orb and not her regular gem.
>>290575450>Apparently there are also shots of Mami + Kyouko, Sayaka + Nagisa and Kyubey-chan (we still need a name for her) being happyThe girl from the first 5 minutes or more?? The one who literally forgot everything after doing dirty work for Homura and her throwing her away?? I honestly thought she could be cool as new magical girl character because I started to like her even if we already got few new ones she is the one who got my eye on
>>290575450>I've read Nagisa and Mami at least were looking at the bench part from stands, like if they were looking at a stage play.Interesting. I doubt that it changes how we are meant to look at the end but that still feels weird.>>290576699>The girl from the first 5 minutes or more??Yeah her. Apparently she's smiling at least so it seems like she's okay
>>290576770>Yeah her. Apparently she's smiling at least so it seems like she's okayI'm so happy to hear this, especially if we look at her backstory why she wanted to become a magical girl
She's cute
>>290577053She's sexy.
>>290575450>I've read Nagisa and Mami at least were looking at the bench part from stands, like if they were looking at a stage play.What if all was a projection of Homura's subcouncious that her friends watched to understand her more?Something like what happened in magia record in season 2.
>>290576692>There's no proof it's still her dark orb and not her regular gem.Which part of her soul gem turned into the dark orb after rebellion you don't understand? Her soul gem doesn't exist anymore.And if you're trying to say her dark orb turned back to a soul gem, Where's the proof?
I want to fuck Wasu
>>290577281>What if all was a projection of Homura's subcouncious that her friends watched to understand her more?I doubt that. Seems like it actually happened, since there's nothing to really suggest that it didn't, but maybe they were able to see it somehow
>>290577294You think Madoka beat the shit out of her and put her to sleep but didn't fix her broken soul? You think Homura would ever be able to smile genuinely while her soul was still in that fucked up state that's functionally a crystallisation of her despair that would normally burst and turn her into a witch? You think Madoka hates her so much she wouldn't heal her when the entire point of the LoC is her taking away that despair?
>>290572030>People made a lot of HomuSaya fanartThe amount of homusaya fan art on twitter/pixiv is less than 4% of the amount of fanart of HomuMado or KyouSaya.
>>290577365>You think Madoka beat the shit out of her and put her to sleep but didn't fix her broken soul?And you're saying that happened based on...?>You think Homura would ever be able to smile genuinely while her soul was still in that fucked up state that's functionally a crystallisation of her despair that would normally burst and turn her into a witch? It was not despair and Homura made it pretty clear in Rebellion. Her dark orn is a crystallisation of her love for Madoka.>You think Madoka hates her so much she wouldn't heal her when the entire point of the LoC is her taking away that despair?There was no need to heal Homura because her dark orb didn't need any kind of repair and was not filled with despair.
>>290577365>You think Homura would ever be able to smile genuinely while her soul was still in that fucked up state that's functionally a crystallisation of her despairShe's not in despair thoughShe's just a crazy bitch in loveBesides, I don't think Homura would want that to be taken away. It's one of the pieces she has the proves Madoka's existence. I can't imagine Madoka taking that away unless she also took away Homura's memories. Also it's better to have Homura capable long-term as a way to protect Madoka in case Kyubey ever tries anything with the LoC againMadoka left but I think that's as far as she went when it came to going against Homura's wishes. We still hear the phone ring at the end too, which was something Homura as the Devil created, which probably means that even if Madoka took away that part of Homura, the world as it existed under Homura's influence still seems to be mostly intact
>>290577334I don't know if true or not but she supposedly received another power up.The past time was for love but now what is the reason? One of the few things i find a bit weird but funny.>movie 5: Homura SS3 AI YO
>>290568311>Homura ruins Madoka's wish>Gets cucked to death
>>290575083Basically EoE’s one more final with a sequel hook.
>>290577637>The past time was for love but now what is the reason?Love and being accepted by those around her for feeling itEveryone, including Walpurgisnacht, tells her to go save Madoka.
>Evangelion againMadoka Re-Take Doujin when?
>>290576653Nothing, 13 years for this was a huge gamble. If the movie doesn't gross 5 billion yen, it's the end of the series, and it won't be worth continuing anymore. Gacha and pachinko will continue.
What will happen first?Anglosphere release date announcements or a camrip?
>>290578357Hard to say.Idk whats taking a camrip so long and idk whats taking an announcement so long either.
Now that I think about it. If Madoka is a goddess again and Homura remains as a devil, We got the "Both are administering the magical girl system together" ending some people wanted but in a twisted way, Right?Madoka is ruling over "heavens", taking care of the soul of each fallen magical girl. Homura on the other side is ruling over the "mortal word", taking care of contracts and fight the wraiths.The caveat is, even if they're working together and making things better, they are in separated realms and can't live as they want (At least until Homura finds a way to fix this situation in a way that makes happy everyone). But maybe they still can contact with each other even when they're in different planes of existence. Maybe that's what Madokami answering the lizard phone and Madoka's "I'm with you" are supoissed to mean.
>>290578489Holy shit your right. If Homura is still the devil and Madoka is now herself, and remembered, while being the LoC, than that is exactly what the movie ends on.>Maybe that's what Madokami answering the lizard phone and Madoka's "I'm with you" are supoissed to mean.possibly. That would go along with it if it's true.I just wonder how long it will take until the Devil and the Goddess get to see each other again
>>290572830Nagisa sucks those!?
>>290578456>and idk whats taking an announcement so long either.There's a non-0 chance we just get it through streaming. I hope that doesn't happen but I wouldn't mind if the alternative is waiting for ages to have the new movie come out here
>>290575083>>290578489So it really might be a good ending?
The pain from having to wait for a camrip because fuck having a US release date I guess
in 2026 this not having a day 1 DCP release is probaby the difference from cartoon to anime
any numbers that has been released on how it did in the weekend?
>>290579238Last I heard it was still around 700 million Yen-ish?It might be a bit lower or higher tho since I've been pretty sleep deprived this week
Maybe they are dubbing it and thats why its taking so long. Only thing I can think of.
>>290578973At least there's hope now.
How long until the digital release?
>>290579238About 900 million Yen
>>290579363I really hope that those Anons are right about itIt truly does sound like a happy ending in that case
>>290578489>Both are administering the magical girl system together>But they are still separated and Madoka is still upset about it>And it's done in a way so that Madoka and Homura could return again in a sequelI don't know if I should say bravo or notSHAFT really found out how to have their cake and eat it too
Reminder, we don't know anything until we've actually seen it, so don't believe any theoryposting here.
>>290579710I won't but it's still fun to talk about + Anything we've thrown at the wall could still be true,
>>290579710Yeah. I am still very worried because I know a lot of the movie's time is spent on new characters rather than the existing ones, but I definitely want the movie to be good.
>>290579710I'm not going to but there's no reason not to entertain any ideas about the ending yet.+ I do really like the 'Loc but less bad' idea that's been going around so until I see it, and unless I disagree with it after seeing it, I'll keep on talking about it and hoping that it is the canon explanation for Kaiten's ending
>>290579710Honestly, different people talk like the ending is very ambiguous and there is no consensus yet even with those who watched the movie.So i don't think i will understand the ending even after watching it. My hope is what the writers or staff say in the next interviews about the ending.
I want Homura to sing 'My Way'I think it's a song that would fit her
>>290579032There's only so many days left in 2026It will happen, eventually
>>290580070https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEh0FCYw3DkIt definitely plays in the promo package while she and Waluiginight stare each other down before Megucamania X7.
I hope Aboutomato draws something that doesn't involve gacha girls
>>290580070You read my mind.
>>290578174I don't know why you pulled this particular figure up but it's on its way there.
>>290575490You would like this new movie.
But would she sing the Limp Bizkit song or the Frank Sinatra one?
>>290578174Already 1/6th the way there >>290579492It will break 5 billion by the end
>>290568311Now that we have a general idea of Kaiten's plot, how would you guys have done the movie instead?
>>290580443That's what Futaba/2chan was saying when discussing the movie's success compared to Endless Scarlet.They were also debating whether this movie, compared to Super Kaguya-hime and the Chiikawa movies, had any chance of success.The movie was already being dismissed as nothing more than a cash grab, and the delays gave the impression that it was actually significant, but depending on how profitable it turns out to be, this movie could be the last in the series.>>290580819Yeah, just because it’s Madoka, the movie brings something to the table regardless of how people receive it. But it might be Uroboshi and Shinbo’s final contribution. And the beginning of Inu Curry’s takeover of the franchise.
>>290573423>expected more Homuwank or MadoHomuIm by no means a shipper but isnt the entire shows plot about honura and madoka? Thats what i remeber the main conflict of the show and movie being about? How tf does the movie not follow up on that.
>>290581272They don't interact for most of the film until the end, that's how.
>>290581340Thats... pretty disappointing. Does this movie just not advance the plot at all. It sounds like nothing really happens
Why would the writers do that to Homura? It's so sad.
So Homu contracts girls in a single city only? What happens outside of it? Are wraiths running rampant, or is her world literally just that one city?
Magical girl jrpg when
>>290581454As someone who was happy with the tv anime and didn't care for the addition of Rebellion, I like the themes of the original reiterated but with more lore. But I get that people liked Homura standing up to fate and trying to be with Madoka. But rebellion's theme is not a powerful for me.
>>290581454It somewhat does. Although it mostly just focuses on Walpurgisnacht and some new characters that don't do muchThe ending is (probably) just the ending of the original anime, but slightly better for everyone involved (even Madoka who is upset about it) transplanted onto the end of Rebellion. Could mean something else but most signs point to that being the right way to look at itMaybe the next film will focus more on Madoka and Homura, especially since it's pretty clear that neither of their stories are over even if Homura is happy by the end
>>290581139I'll wait to actually see it to say anything outside of the endingMake the ending be explicitly >>290575083>>290578707While having Madoka and Homura actually talk about it. You can still have the bench scene but just extend it a bit with Madoka telling Homura that she's gotta leave and that she is proud of her for everything, and then you can have Madoka pat her head
>>290581882SoonAfter the next movie
>>290581567Being Homu is suffering
>>290580033Yeah, I saw it at the cinema yesterday and honestly can't wrap my head around any of it.The three new characters, one of whom had rewritten the laws of the universe regard magical girls in the past so Madoka wasn't the first to do it, appear in the present because they each have something they want from Madoka, whether it be salvation or to air their displeasure about the Law of Cycles (in the case of 'Kyuubei did nothing wrong' girl).Maybe they knew each other in their former lives, or maybe that was just symbolic. Maybe the nameless upperclassman (girl) saved a crow by returning it to its nest, maybe that was just symbolic too. I don't know.As for the ending, I guess Madoka becomes god again but this time having exorcised her self from the Law of Cycles and can now communicate as Kaname Madoka in some capacity via the phones? But then in the credits the footsteps of Homura and Madoka (?) start walking together but gradually start moving apart, so that was kind of inauspicious.Truly one of the greatest 2deep4u's of our time.I liked it though.
>>290582220>I liked it thoughGlad to hear it anon.
>>290582220the footsteps were mabayu
>>290582220>start walking together but gradually start moving apart, so that was kind of inauspicious.Aoi Yuuki said something about the footsteps going closer at the very end, but she's also literally the only person I've seen mention it. But she's also Aoi Yuuki, so
>>290582310The black one's with the crow feathers?Quite possibly.Then to whom did the other, white set belong?
>>290582220>I liked it though.I hope I will too when I eventually see it
>>290582362>Aoi Yuuki said something about the footsteps going closer at the very endShe saw a different film from me then, because one set definitely tapered off and started going in a different direction.
>>290582220Glad finding an anon that liked it.>they each have something they want from Madoka, whether it be salvation or to air their displeasure about the Law of Cycles I like how it sounds.
>>290582405>She saw a different film from me thenYeah it's weird since no one else has said anything about them getting closer in the end. Maybe they changed it but I don't see a reason why
I feel like the next thing we will get will be some spinoff focused on new characters set after KaitenHomura is still the devilMadoka is still the LoCThey will probably interact once at the end againBoth of them won't be that important outside of engaging whoever's the main character into the world of being a Magical GirlMaybe Homura will move onto permanent contracts so that Madoka has something to do
>>290582362>>290582405No,Yuuki said there were other footsteps aside from Homura and Madoka's ones.I've seen people talking about it and saying that the other footsteps (the ones going away) could belong to the LoC
>>290575923Inu Curry split up a while ago it's just doroinu now (magireco guy)
>>290582484Sorry, I've been avoiding these threads and all related social media until I actually saw the movie (last night) to avoid spoilers.Is it being regarded unfavourably?I and the people I saw it with all enjoyed it and my (second hand) impression was that it was being well received on Japanese Twitter.If you liked Rebellion I think you'll definitely like this one too, it's along the same lines.
>>290582603>Yuuki said there were other footsteps aside from Homura and Madoka's ones.Maybe. I was looking at the names in the credits rather than paying attention to the footprints from start to finish, but I can say that, as I perceived it, after the names stopped rolling there were only two pairs of footprints on screen as the visual focus, they separated from each other.
>>290582646It's been received extremely negatively in these threads so far The SG schizo is samefagging a massive number of negative shitposts here every day though I assume some amount of it is real anons as wellThat said nobody dooming has seen the movie yet.
>Selma is the most popular new character>nobody cares about greenWhat went wrong?
>>290582646>Is it being regarded unfavourably?Yes, these last 3 days some people that read the spoilers have regarded unfavourably here. But that still can change when we all see the movie.>If you liked Rebellion I think you'll definitely like this one too, it's along the same lines.I liked Rebellion and i liked the spoilers overall.
>>290582646>Is it being regarded unfavourably?It seems divisive. At least from what I've seen on here and fusetter People here (me included) were pretty upset about it on the first day/36 hours. Then after digesting and understanding what happened in it (sans the ending, which is what has been most talked about and lead to such memes as Cunt Madoka, and Homura getting 'it was all a dream'd' after the LoC came back) people tended to stop being so assmad about itI feel like most people here are just waiting to see it themselves. At the very least I'm less upset at it than I was originally Also what >>290582735 mentioned, although I feel like a majority of it was people actually mad
>>290582735I can see people who wanted a straight-forward , easily-digestible story like in the original series being disappointed but after Rebellion I think it would be erroneous to go in with an expectation for that.For anyone who hasn't actually seen the film (and who liked Rebellion), I think you'll like it, so I wouldn't be taken in by all the doom and gloom.If you didn't like Rebellion though I daresay you won't like this one either.
>>290582800>Wasu is just Homura with pink eye>No art yet of Margaret because of the spoiler ban>Choka is green Kyouko>Kyubey-chan is barely in the movieIt's no wonder why she became the new favourite
>>290582875I think the two biggest complaints are "it feels more like Evangelion than Madoka" in the sense that it's clearly trying to be more complicated and ambiguous, and "it feels like a super hero movie cashgrab because it introduces a bunch of new shit that doesn't leave the old characters' stories breathe and has an inconclusive cliffhanger ending", which seems fair, I guess.
>>290582731Here's a post of someone that at the third time watching the movie noticed the extra footsteps and spoke their mind about it https://fusetter.com/tw/bkseWJHw
>>290582800I don't know what other people like of her. But i never thought i will see a Kyubey follower magical girl.I find her interesting only for that.
>>290582959She's a bratty cunt in the movie and talks shit about the other magical girls. She's pretty clearly the wakarase mesugaki type but is also totally dedicated to QB which makes her feel kinda sad and pathetic too.
>>290583025>Girl who is a genuine Kyubey simpActually kino. Amazing. Incredible.
>>290583025>She's a bratty cunt in the movie and talks shit about the other magical girlsExtremely based.>but is also totally dedicated to QB which makes her feel kinda sad and pathetic too.She seems cool to me so far. Based on spoilers i liked what i have read from her.Anyways she is supporting kyubey so she will not have good end, sadly.
>>290583025>She's a bratty cunt in the movieAnd that's why we love her
Will we ever get her name or will she forever be known as Kyubey-chan?
Would be funny if the manga just ends better due to being serialized.
If she were a better meguca, Madoka could have her rest and the series could be passed onto her...
>>290581567>Why[Mr.Krabs "I like money".jpg]
It really depends on what the ending actually means but I don't think I'll dislike itI can see myself thinking it's a 6/10 movie with a 9/10 ending. Just depends really
>>290583370I'm sure the ending will make more sense in the manga if only because I don't think they could make it make less sense, and because Hanokage is a pretty big Madohomufag, and because she's added onto/changed stuff about endings before (the original manga version had Madoka and Moemura reunite in the LoC at the very end)We will probably have an official canon explanation for what the ending means by the time the manga is over tho
>>290582875>straight-forward , easily-digestible story like in the original serieshaven't seen a more insulting excuse for why people are mad about the horrendous sequels
>>290582928the writing is simply bad compared to what people hoped forit's not a complaint about feel or style, comparing anything to the insane once-in-a-lifetime writing that was the original will make anything mediocre look extremely disappointing
>>290582959That's what I've been thinking since I saw the Concept Movie for the first time, and saw the girl that's very Quitterie alike. Complaints aside from the people who made unrealistic expectations for this movie, I believe the ones who daydreamed the most about Selma's plot like me were the most rewarded ones. It's a weird feeling to have. Kind of a "This movie seems to be exactly what I thought it would be but now everyone hates it" feeling, I guess?
homu
I love strong women like Sayaka.
>>290583537>>290583599Rebellion was a masterpiece >But it lead to this movieUrobuchi's schedule and a ton of rewrites lead to this movie
>>290583642Homura.....
How could anyone possibly hurt this creature
Other languages of the fourth movie release when?
I want to eat her bratty cunt
>>290583643rebellion wasn't a masterpiece, we all liked the fanservice but that's all it wasblaming urobuchi's schedule when they had 13 years is crazy. he was done with the story once the anime finished, they pressed him for more and we got slop
>>290583655Schizo.....
>>290583690That was meant to be a picture of Selma but either of them would be okay too I guess
>>290583685I doubt we will get any dubsMaybe at most an English one
did the site die for a few minutes
>>290583740Yeah
>>290582800Green has glasses and gets stomped more easily
>>290583624Artist's comment>理由をまだ話せないけど廻天でまどかをさらに好きになってしまった>I can't talk about the reason yet, but I've ended up liking Madoka even more because of Kaiten.That's an interesting take.
>>290582646Our algos must be different, my Twitter feed has a lot of negative commentary from japs mixed in with the praise. I think it's mostly about expectations after 13 years. If you already had an idea if how it should be and spent all this time obsessing over it you probably wouldn't like it. I was never as hard core and I enjoyed it for what it was.
>>290583823She liked the 'Leave Homura and let her fall sleep on a park bench' part
>>290583710Joker....
I just realised it now but if the 'Homura is dreaming of a world where she won' at the end thing is true why would Madoka leave her on a park bench specifically? Unless the plan is to let her wake up after a couple hours, a park bench would be a horrible place to leave her.Like, it's right out in the open. Someone random could look her up if they wanted to. She's gonna end up getting sick if she doesn't wake up eventually, and it must be unconfutable for her back too long term.At least let her rest on a bed or something.
>>290583927sometimes I wonder if you guys are actually autistic.
>>290583927>I just realised it now but if the 'Homura is dreaming of a world where she won' at the end thing is true why would Madoka leave her on a park bench specifically?Forget about that, Why she would tell her "I'm with you" if her plan was wipe her memories about her so she can move on?That's one of the many reasons why I think the whole dream/memory wipe theory is bull.
>>290584019>That's one of the many reasons why I think the whole dream/memory wipe theory is bull.It's pretty clearly not meant to be how we look at it.Homura still has her ring too which means she's still the devil, and there is no universe where Madoka would allow Homura to both not know anything and y'know, be the devil. That would just cause problems for everyone including her eventually
I wish Madoka would roofie me and leave me on some random park bench
>>290584116Kek
>>290584128How have you been, Max?
>>290584116Devil Homura would sort of do that if you contract with her and that's if she's feeling nice after you're done with your wraith mission.
>>290568311Take a shower madokababs. I've seen numerous complaints from japanese theater goers about the stench emanating from people going to see this movie.
>>290578489>The devil, Homura, brings life>The goddess, Madoka, brings deathNeat
>>290584185I got to hangout with her the past two days after going 7 days without because of work bs.things make more sense about life in general every day/I'm happyThank you for asking!hoping the entire movie leaks soon
>>290584195Lovely>>290584300I'm glad to hear things are going well for you with her man.>hoping the entire movie leaks soonYeah, here's hoping
Homura still suffering?
Did people really go in expecting a conclusive ending? They gotta milk this franchise dry for all it’s worth, therefore the status quo must always be maintained.
>>290582735>da Steins;Gate joos did itThe movie is a flop. Just accept it
>>290584432Yes.
>>290584385She smiles by the end
Man these threads suck. I want to watch the movie and be done with it.
>>290584481These are the best threads we have had in literal years>I want to watch the movieEveryone does
>>290568311>>290568933Why does she look so much like Homu?
>>290584572Homu inspired her
>>290584116I too often find myself sitting on a park bench eyeing little girls with bad intent.
>>290584572Lesbians just look like that
>>290584633I'm suprised nobody has brought up Bench Tails.
>Theatrical Edition Puella Magi Madoka Magica > 〈Walpurgisnacht: Rising〉>Weekend Box Office Attendance & Revenue Ranking > #1 Achieved>In just 3 days since release>Audience Attendance: 530,000 >Box Office Revenue: 930 million yen >Surpassed!
>>290568311>>It was actually Walmart-chan all alongI thought Walpy was a fusion of different Mahou Shoujos?Does she have multi voices or did they retcon her into being a single extremely powerful Mahou Shoujo-turned-Witch?
>>290584720>I thought Walpy was a fusion of different witches?Ftfm.
>>290584749remember every subtlety, meaning and lore that was established on walburgernot? they hope you don't, that you think it's a mystery, and then they feed you a fanfic origin story
>>290584720She's the witch form of a kind of predecessor to Madoka who took on the grief of other magical girls in order to save them, that's why she's a 'fusion' in witch form.
>>290584717So is it actually good?
>>290583739I wonde rif the english cast from the series and the rebellion movie will be kept? Unless some are going to be replaced.
>>290584864Probably yes but noticeably not as good as the original series or Rebellion. That seems to be the general consensus.
>>290584720Isn’t that technically what she is since all witches used to be part of some formless hivemind before Margaret wished for them to have individual identities, and she’s now what gives them those identities?
homu butt
>>290571921Sayaka is madoka's bestie in the end, so I bet she wants to save her so she can live a happy life with her family as an ordinary girl
>>290578174the gacha is so horrible i doubt it gets much players
>>290584572her real form is the blonde oneshe just steal homu's looks because she wants to cuck homu
>>290585255I can't wait for all the Wasu porn
>>290585255>she wants to cuck homuYou think they'd ever invite her over as their third?I mean, she's basically the original Madoka and has known them for about as long as they've known each other minus 6 weeks, and I'm sure Madoka/Homura both wouldn't mind watching all that much considering this movie and episode 12. Plus I'm sure both of them would want a piece of her too, considering how sexy she is.
>>290585187Actually Homura is Madoka’s bestie
>>290585391This post makes no sense since all three of them are straight women
I hope Sayaka continues to use Oktavia like her StandIt's cool
>>290585516I've heard she does in Kaiten. I hope Octavia gets a redesign or new powers if they're going to use her every movie though
>>290585255She looks like Homura because they both share a fascination with Madoka, as she explains in the movie.>>290584933I don't think it was as good as Rebellion, but only by asmall amount.I'd say:Original 8/10Rebellion 8/10New movie 7/10
>>290585636>She looks like Homura because they both share a fascination with Madoka, as she explains in the movieThat’s the explanation? It’s pretty retarded
>>290585481The bench is Homura's bestie
>>290585643It goes beyond a normal adoration. She too has traversed time and death just to meet Madoka.She also doesn't know who she is, so she needs soneone else's face because she can't remember her own.
>>290581150I mean for a movie that is being released after 13 years which will for sure cross 4bn it's safe to assume that it is a success and that's not accounting hell of the merch sales which contributes to the profit of a series.
>>290585636>7/10It's 5/10 at best
>>290585784I rate it (1+n)^p - n^p - 1/10
>>290585784I liked it. 7/10.My subjective opinion.>>290584936>MargaretIt's マルグリート, not マーガレット.It's supposed to be Margarite or something else 'continental'.Like whatever a 'Puella Magi' is.
When do we expect the next one to be announced?
>>290586058They didn't even write it yet.And they must hope Urobuchi is free to write at least the concept.Madoka is famous mostly because of Urobuchi, at least in Japan.They are forced to clickbait the audience with a half-truth about his involvement.
>>290586058Doesn't matter, I'm not sticking around to see another series enshittified into nothing.Debating if I should watch this movie or let it die gracefully. I literally haven't heard a single good thing about it.
>>290586165It was good.Good animation, good aesthetics and SHAFT symbolism, good voice acting.Not a masterpiece but definitely above average.There, now you've heard good things.
So is kaiten just filler?
>>290573378we only have hearsay for now, so nobody can be sure.
>>290586624Who's the prepubescent character?Nagisa?They're all middle schoolers with breasts.
>>290575083so, how many decades until the next movie?
>>290586624It's a feminist series
>>290586776Yes. Walpurgisnacht was a closed end as of episode 12, they just brought her back to make a movie out of her when it really all amounts to a side story. You could skip to the last 5 minutes where the Law of Cycles slaps the shit out of Homura and use that as a jumping off point for the actual continuation of the plot without losing anything.
>>290586776Yeah. Should just watch Steins;Gate instead desu
>>290586846But these guys were killed for being feminists. Women working is feminist.
>>290575191pls make it real pls
>>290587810Where is this from
>>290569267I always liked Rebellion's ending. I lowkey wanted a more cynical ending to Madoka, and Reb gave me exactly that. It was also a total Homu victory, which was deserved but at a big cost.But i like the series ending too. Both endings are great. The new movie is the first time the story leaves you hanging, and that's kinda sad for me.
>>290586846when did this happen
>>290587892It's the scene that triggers Sayaka turning into a witch. It's implied she killed both of them. -Uro said he made it ambiguous on purpose. -Anime director said she didn't killed them-Official manga shows her killing themJust pick the version you like the most.
>>290587892https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-FZVyiPK3M
>>290587892
>>290587835Kyubey-chan? I tried to make something quick because she was that girl who was in first 5 minutes of Madoka, (or 10 maybe) and then Homura uses her to forget everything so she wasn't for too much time in new movie. Someone said she is seen smiling so I hope it's true...
>>290588729also wanna mention she doesn't have the name yet so that's what people call her for now
The witches retcon is shit that exists only to justify more sequel slop and Homujobbing, is directly contradicted by the series at a fundamental level, and the idea that it was a universe reset doesn't line up with how it supposedly lead to Walpurgis too.
So cute.....
>>290569267>>290587870Homura got KEK'd so hard in the original timeline that I think she deserved a bone.
>>290589044>The witches retconIt's technically not a retcon. But if you wish to elaborate why do you think it is, I'm curious. Besides, the first thing I thought after looking at spoilers was "if Walpy had gone to Mitakihara because she was seeking Madoka, why the fuck did she left Kamihama on anime being that Madoka was already there?". Doroinu...
>>290578489There's almost no doubt this is Yuri, but, surprisingly happy ending considering Homura's downfall into a full blown stalker-tier obsessed psycho. Granted, it was all Kyuubei's fault
I went to the giant giga fucking Imax in Ikebukuro to watch the movie. My understanding of Japanese is limited but I went with a friend who does understand Japanese and I am extremely media literate.I honestly expected a lot worse to the point of being actually terrible. Instead it was a filler movie. The biggest problem is that they should have just called it Puella Magi Marguerite Magica and made a side story out of that, not only for how little Madoka actually engages with the plot, but for how unnecessary it is at the expense of putting the actual conflict set up by Rebellion's ending on hold until the next movie. That and how poorly it sets up its own continuation compared to Rebellion's. Rebellion at least fully establishes a status quo consistent with its own themes. Rebellion works because it's a movie about Homura, and Homura taking control of the ending. This movie isn't about Madoka at all, she's extremely silent, and most of her important lines are just recalls from the prequels. It might make logical sense that the Law of Cycles is able to regain the upper hand over Homura (this was an entirely expected possibility), but it doesn't make narrative sense for it to come up just as sequelbait The last five minutes almost feel like what should be the first five minutes of what a proper sequel might look like (though the part where everyone is cheering on Homura would obviously have to come up later).On a more meta level, the given reason for Marguerite taking Homura's face is bullshit, that being "they both idolize Madoka". I can buy that she lost her identity but she genuinely has nothing to do with Homura at all, and it's obvious it was just bait to generate hype because the possibility of Homura getting split similar to how Madoka did is more interesting (though not necessarily good per se) than just having a random new girl and introducing her as Walpurgisnacht (which they did anyways ultimately).
>>290585255>>290568311Imagine if the movie just focused on the main 5 instead of the gacha bitches.
>>290589352U buy phone shit now u rike it too
>>290589044I have less of an issue with the retcon itself (assuming Marguerite inadvertently ended up retconning reality in the same way Madoka did with her wish) and have a bigger issue with the lack of reason for her to become "detached" from the Law of Cycles in the first place. That whole inciting incident doesn't make sense to me.
>>290589273>How little Madoka actually engaged with the plotThe Homura show and Homura movie didn't clue you in to the fact Madoka isn't actually the "main" character?
>>290589514>Homura showAside from Episode 10, the show is almost entirely presented from Madoka's perspective. Homura is squarely the deuteragonist. The main conflict is in fact Madoka struggling to adapt as her world collapses around her.>Homura movieAt least Madoka wasn't less important than Sayaka in that movie.
>>290587746Most schizo anon actually itt
>>290589688Fair enough, aye. It's just that Homura is basically the main driving force of the story for the show and the movie I feel. Madoka is a very reactive protagonist in comparison
I don't know what I'm doing.>>290589273>The biggest problem is that they should have just called it Puella Magi Marguerite Magica The "start of a new story" promotion and transparency for the movie should've been enough for people to understand what the story was about, but considering how the expectations blinded people away from what it really is, maybe they should've pushed it really this far, indeed.
https://youtu.be/jcfcZfgyzm8?is=JWPCtPsfhVrDIE0h
>>290589273Saw the movie too. Will need a few rewatches to digest it all, especially with all that visual overload.That said yeah, I'd agree it does feel more like filler/set-up. I loved what was there but it felt more like half a movie than a whole package, was dying for more.But the main thing I realized felt missing after finishing the movie was... Homura not going all homuhomu over Madoka. Like, especially the way rebellion concluded with the whole "love" monologue, you'd think Homura would indulge more in her precious time with Madoka. Instead, the most intimate they got was eating some snacks on the school roof (with Sayaka). Not sure if we ever even saw the two of them alone together.It's like Homura got so used to being Madoka's stalker that she forgot how to, well, let herself enter the picture too, beyond just playing the role of her classmate. Kinda thought she'd be more unbound after going devilmura.Interestingly, that's where I thought fake homu/walpy would come in. Thought she might be a repressed part of homura that split off when she rewrote the world, who'd be more daring towards Madoka (the tango scene), and spur conflict between homura wanting to worship/protect her from afar vs be with her/possess her.Basically, the events of the movie kept speeding by and homura got no chance to homuhomu madoka & before she knew it madoka was being pulled off towards godoka again. Poor homura...
>>290583739Italy confirmed a dub and theatrical run over a year ago, but based on previous examples it'll probably happen in 2027.
Madokami has stolen Homura's phone system at the end.
>>290589951It's too early to give up hope Max.
>>290590107Lol, I just finished 1984 again a few days ago.
>>290590144Oh, I thought you were hyper dooming already. lol
>>290589985This almost seems like a better movie idea than the actual movie we got
English translatiom when
The movie literally has Walpurgis in its name. And Homura being Walpurgis stopped being a supported theory long ago.Thinking that Kaiten would be mainly about Homura v/s Madoka was not the fine.
>You don't like it because you liked Rebellion>You don't like it because it contradicted your headcanons>You don't like it because it's not what you decided it would be>You don't like it because it's like RebellionI'm fucking tired of this goddamn deflective attitude where people act like actually the piece of media in question is faultless and blameless and every criticism you have is actually a problem with (You). This complete refusal to engage in actual discussion, just burying your head in the sand and going "you're just not the target audience." I suppose it's no wonder that the people ITT are on Twitter and getting their opinions from there; this is the kind of idiocy that place is infested by.I don't like the new witch lore because I feel like it contradicts the way the series's twist was written and delivered, just for the sake of having something to tell. I don't like the way the movie seems to sideline some of the cast even harder than Rebellion did (where they at least had something to do while not being too important), and how it exacerbates this by adding one more new character than it should have and not even developing her well. I don't like the way it feels like the movie scaled down things from the level Rebellion established at the end and made Homudevil a jobber whose influence extends to a single town. I don't like the fact that a whole new villain is introduced just so Kyubey can be the big bad again and we can sidestep the conflicts actually set up at the end of Rebellion of Homura/Madoka and Homura/Sayaka (seriously, following up Sayaka swearing she'll remember what Homura has done and be her enemy with them being buddy buddies now is insane), even if I like that new villain. I don't like how unclear the ending is just for the sake of being vague on purpose.None of that has to do with whether I liked Rebellion or not, with whether I liked MagiReco or not, with what I was expecting the movie to be like, or with anything fucking else.
>>290584864Yes. As we all know, success unilaterally equals quality, and Marvel movies are the best cinema ever produced.>>290584749>>290584720It's addressed but in a way that either contradicts the series or contradicts itself.
>>290589938I mean in hindsight, it's a pretty big tell they slapped Walpurgis on the title when she had nothing to do with anything. I don't blame them for not adhering to the concept movie, I do blame them for making us wait 13 years for filler. Of course you're going to have expectations for something more substantial.>>290589985Besides the split Homu theory that we now know is false, one of my possible hopes was the movie from Madoka's POV where she tries to reach the truth by approaching Homura but Homura keeps avoiding her. Homura avoiding Madoka makes sense to me because she's so drunk off her own self hatred that everything bad that happens to Madoka is her fault and she deserves punishment, not reward. >>290590451I agree with you on almost all of those counts, but Sayaka teaming up with Homura actually does make sense in context.
>>290590451Rebellion also twist the the lore of TV series.Making power of love power up just because it sounds like love can defeat anything and giving the skill to kyubey to make an "isolation field" for the sake of just to make him the bad guy just seem something made up to have something new to tell.
>>290568488It's metaphorically and figuratively kino
>>290590451I just like Madoka and Homura anon, it's not a big deal for me. I know what I'm getting into
>>290585936>Like whatever a 'Puella Magi' isMahou Shoujo in the made up language they use for the series, which appears to be a Latin-inspired conlang.>マルグリートBased on the series's history I'd wager a butchered attempt at Margherita, Italian name for dog daisies and also a women's name, or one of its many other derived variants across European languages.
>>290590658Homura stealing Madoka's power makes sense because her looping was what caused Madoka to gain that power in the first place and Madoka leaving her some of her power in the form of her ribbon. When you scrutinize the ending of episode 12, Homura is a walking paradox. She couldn't have become meguca because the person she made a wish for never existed.And if you actually understand what it means to have no emotions, then you should realize that Kyubey cannot possibly be anything other than a bad guy because he's incapable of seeing humans as anything more than useful batteries.
>>290590451Have you ever considered the possibility that the reality is that those people just doesn't really care about you, and if you like something or not?Besides, there's no contradiction or retcon in anything. Madoka was always really vague and convenient on everything. Urobuchi himself only took until after Rebellion to read its own lore, gave to him by Inu Curry.
being meguca is suffering...
>>290589129>It's technically not a retconIt's technically very much a retcon by the literal definition of what one is, and to elaborate: the series makes a whole point of the "magical girls turn into witches" thing to the level of Kyubey monologuing to himself about it. It's what the whole series hinges on thematically both within itself and out of universe; the whole moment where Gen smugly tells you he's being all cool and approaching genre conventions differently and going "actually there's a lore reason they're called that and it's edgy." And the ending of the series restores them to being magical girls in the traditional sense. So much of Madoka thematically hinges on this that saying it wasn't always the case is a slap in the face.>>290589376>assuming Marguerite inadvertently ended up retconning realitySee, that's retarded too. First, it's a huge stretch to believe anyone but Madoka could have that much power to her wish, because Madoka's conditions are very peculiar. Second: if we assume she didn't, it's contradicting the way the series established witches were always a thing (and those girls were definitely remembered). But if she did rewrite history, how can she be a collection of different girls then? If she altered the past to make all previous megucas witches, then there should be no one whose forgotten despair she needs to carry. If she didn't alter the past, yes she fucking did, or again this contradicts the series. And if she had to carry them even if she made them turn to witches, no she fucking doesn't, because that's not a thing with future witches or she'd be constantly growing over time.>the lack of reason for her to become "detached" from the Law of CyclesThat's entirely nonsense too.
>>290589273>the given reason for Marguerite taking Homura's face is bullshitSadly I have a fetish for narrative parallels.
Are elevens going to see it? I'm barely seeing any discussion of it. Feels like no one even knew it was coming out and the few reviews are bad.
Steins;Gate is really shit.
>>290589985There was no madohomu during the end part?
>>290589938>The "start of a new story" promotion and transparency for the movie should've been enough for people to understand what the story was about, but considering how the expectationsRetarded complaint. It was clear the movie wouldn't be the end, yes, but it didn't need to have basically zero substance. It's barely a beginning at all. It's a massive detour with a little rushed plot at the end. It doesn't just fail at being an ending, it fails at being a proper new start too.
>>290591130Once you realize how many posts in this thread are just Steins;Gate assholes shitting on everything possible it gets kind of stupid.
>>290590803Not exactly my point. I was more addressing the fact that Rebellion changed the direction of a good series by pulling shit out of nowhere.
>>290590431>Movie marketed as the sequel to Rebellion>Movie marketing includes stuff about how Walpurgisnacht is actually just the general name for a fusion of witches (LMAO)>"You should have known the movie was obviously going to be a massive sidequest and the the conflict set up by Rebellion would be dealt with in five minutes."The last part is particularly infuriating I feel, actually. It's not just that the movie is filler after 13 years, it's that when it stops being filler it speeds through what people wanted it to be about way too fast. I'd actually prefer it if it was fully filler and the ending was left to have a fully movie to breathe for itself, and I'm starting to think it was slapped onto this one because they knew people wanted a followup and it had been too long.
>>290590658Thank you ESL-kun for supporting my point by placing your misworded and malformed ramble as opposition to it.>>290590609>Sayaka teaming up with Homura actually does make sense in contextIt doesn't matter how much the context makes it make sense, it's a narrative betrayal of what things were like before. It works so long as Sayaka has lost her memories, but once she regains them she should at least be conflicted about Homura. Instead she seems to have completely flipped to supporting her, and I really doubt their buddy cop adventure was enough for that radical of an ideological shift.
>>290591046Marguerite's nunnery was entirely comprised of megucae. She bore all of their despair but lacked Madoka's power and ultimately succumbed despite seemingly succeeding for a while. She and her convent formed the amalgamation of witches that was Walpurgisnacht. I should point out that none of them became witches until after Marguerite herself the first witch.
>>290591371>Thank you ESL-kun for supporting my point by placing your misworded and malformed ramble as opposition to it.Anytime, Mr "People in ITT i disagree with get their opinion from twitter".
>>290591426>>290590825Of course SEAmonkeys are the ones saying you need to eat all the slop and say thank you for the pretty colours, and thinking about things is bad. Don't you have a JJK thread to go post in?
>>290591231Did it really change the direction in any way? Rebellion was the only way you COULD continue the story off of episode 12 by continuing the character study of Homura and pushing her inner contradictions to their absolute limit. Rebellion was as such a success. Whether or not Walpurgis Kaiten successfully elaborates on that I will judge for myself.
>>290591465>Of course SEAm...I'm not from SEA but the fact that you think everyone who disagrees with you is from a certain place it's proof you were just a schizo.
>>290591231None of my points were "out of nowhere", they are established within the TV series itself. Hell, even Homura is inadvertently following the advice Junko gave to Madoka. >>290591371Sayaka is openly hostile to Homura until she realizes all her friends are being duped by the villains and is ambivalent all the way up until the end. Even when she gives Homura the thumbs up she says it's not the right thing to do.
>>290591046>the series makes a whole point of the "magical girls turn into witches" thing to the level of Kyubey monologuing to himself about it.But that's still true...>So much of Madoka thematically hinges on this that saying it wasn't always the case is a slap in the face.I don't see why it is a slap in the face to say that the fate of Magical Girls from before were extremely worse than becoming witches. They basically became designless monsters and had their identities deleted from the world. Which imo is the tragic fate of Witches + Madoka (after becoming LoC) combined. >But if she did rewrite history, how can she be a collection of different girls then? If she altered the past to make all previous megucas witches, then there should be no one whose forgotten despair she needs to carry. It's not the nameless monsters that are attracted to her, but the witches that were made after on. Only if I'm misreading something because I didn't watch shit of the movie yet. >p.40 Witch of the Stage set (舞台装置の魔女) Walpurgisnacht:Long ago, the souls of despairing magical girls were eroded by impurity, robbed of their personalities and existence, and reduced to monsters of uniform appearance.However, through someone's prayer, magical girls came to be reduced to Witches instead of monsters.Because of this, Nazuka-Sokotsune was born as the law that goes out of its way to grant names and forms to discarded husks.This Witch of the Stage Set is the husks of fools left behind even by that meaningless, absurd phenomenon. >"I am within us." "I will not give up on us." "So please, find me within us. Even if that place is not hope, but the bottom of a curse.">>290591190Not really the point that I answered. Read.
>>290568311I'm a MagiReco fag so I'm more invested in the gacha plotlines more but I can't help to wonder WHAT THE FUCK THEY WERE THINKING when they introduced Walpurgis backstory?The whole plot of the anime was around incubators rushing to collect grief seeds like firewood to prevent entropy.If said firewood didn't exist back then why the fuck did they bother granting wishes in the first place?
>>290591536I was not talking about your point. I was talking about what Rebellion added.There is an interview where Urobuchi says why he chose love as the reason of the power up of Homura and it's way more simple than you think.
>>290591578The firewood changes form. After Madoka's wish it changed to wraiths, before witches it could've been something different.
>>290591578>If said firewood didn't exist back then why the fuck did they bother granting wishes in the first place?It still existed. They just didn't have forms and names. You're mistaken there.>>290591579The single feeling that can defeat aliens!
So Kaiten is the last thing that divides these threads and kill them?Anyways is better than the discussions from last years. I prefer this end if this is the end.
>>290591534Learn to speak English first.
>>290591534silence schizo
>>290591558>I don't see why it is a slap in the faceBecause you're retarded. Reread the post until you actually understand it. Saying witches weren't always witches is pissing on the series's writing. It's as bad as if it was revealed there was a magical girl whose wish was for Homura's wish to be what it was.
>>290591837>>290591911Hahaha. Hope you never change, anons.
How would (you) write the next one?
>>2905919891.5 hours of Sayaka bullying Homura, 0.5 hours of Selma being a schizo, 5 minutes of sequel bait at the end.
>>290591153There was, but pretty brief moments and exchanges. Pretty tantalizing to tease homu when mado's most in danger of being lost to her again. The very ending is pretty ambiguous, if there is madohomu going on there we don't get to see it much.Honestly most of the stuff between them in this movie was Homura aching over madoka with madoka being blissfully unaware of everything til around the end. (their dynamic does seem cursed to be like that)In a way though, Homura kinda screwed herself with the whole memory sealing thing to make Madoka live as an ordinary girl, since their entire relationship was grown in the extraordinary. It's like they live in different worlds now, & Homura had her hands too full dealing with her own.
I still think in the end I'll enjoy it for what it is but it should've been something else not focuses on fucking Walpy. I don't know if we could've ever gotten a second Rebellion though. By the sounds of it we were always going to end up with something that doesn't follow up on it in the way that I wanted it to
>>290592026K-kino
>>290589886
The one unequivocally good thing Kaiten followed up on Rebellion was actually giving Nagisa an interesting character. She never loses her memories, instead opting to abandon her duty and accept Homura's new world because it's better. And then she calls Sayaka a loser.
Figmas are really cool, ive slept on themHomu HomuAnother around 2011 gem I got used in box
Steuns;Gate fans are such losers.
billions must turn into witches
Is the movie full on nyaa yet?Afraid to read
>>290592360Nope
>>290592444Damn ):Im afraid to even read the thread and missing out on watching it and discussing with /a/
Madokami is lucky I ain't behind allat.
So will the next one focus on her?
>>290591292Then again we barely even understand wtf the ending meansMaybe it somehow works in context of the movie but that still depends on the meaning of something basically no one understands. Without the VA's for Madoka and Homura mentioning it the day after release we would still be nowhere in trying to understand this movie
>>290591933>"It is because I said it is."Relax, anon. I'm not really into discussing it because i didn't watch the movie myself yet. I only want to understand others line of thought. >>290591989Madoka and Selma naked punching each other like Gurren Lagann the movie finale.But I kind of have a desire to see Selma using only the black shirt of the uniform, like Madoka's dressing herself at the start of anime/Rebellion.The black is so nice
Madoka Magica fucking sucks. On repeat watches it is decent, and if you are such a fucking faggot that you legitimately enjoy anime steeped in meta commentary, then I suppose you'll have fun finding all the hidden nooks and crannies inside of its admittedly dense narrative structure. The problem I have with it is that it insists upon itself, to the point where, when it rushes ahead of the messages it's trying to say and gives the viewer whiplash, it comes across as downright disrespectful to the viewer. Going into the series blind was, for me personally, a massive waste of time, because it's incredibly obvious that the intention when it was released was to theorypost and make headcanons about what would happen next while the shock value from each episode festered. But after the fact, trying to just take the 12 episodes at face value? Fat fucking chance.What I'm trying to say is, an anime shouldn't need 10 rewatches to be good. Madoka Magica is one such show. It's literally just Eva for mahou shoujo fans (and don't even try and act like it's anything else you insufferable faggots) and beyond its commentary it is really, really shallow as a complete work. I wouldn't have so much vitriol for it, were it not for everyone being so staunchly against criticism of the show. It's fine to shit on any other meta anime series, but not this one for some reason. I think that speaks volumes about the anime community's elitism.While I'm at it, fuck Shoujo Kageki Revue Starlight. Absolute bollocks masquerading as the idol show equivalent to this waste of a subgenre.
>>290592591I'm fine with just Selma being naked
>Madoka was really sad about what she did and Homura was smiling >She did or asked something of the LoC while crying, we don't know what>Homura is at the very least still a Meguca, and is probably still the Devil>It seems Madoka's existence and individuality has been preserved within the LoC>It seems that she can somehow still communicate with Homura at least and the phones have something to do with it>Also Kyubey is sequel baiting but who caresIs this what we can agree on as a baseline to understand the ending?
>>290592704Utena was worse
audio with what seems to be machine translated subtitlespart one. https://files.catbox.moe/ct6p9x.mp4part two. https://files.catbox.moe/hmp2q0.mp4
Rebellion already retconned the last 10 minutes of the tv series, but the way it retconned things actually felt consistent and relevant enough to be belieable, and it also helps that they didn't have to introduce any new character to stretch out the story. The kind of question it posed to the resolution of the main series also felt natural and in-character for Homura (assuming you deliberately choose to ignore / misinterpret those last 10 minutes of the tv series). From what I've heard so far about Kaiten, this time it's a real stretch what they came up with to extend the main series and the kind of quesrions they want to pose to Madoka's solution.
>>290592783Everyone seems to say that Madoka is the one who answer the Homuphone at the end but I didn't actually recognize whose hand it was. If that is the case that perhaps suggests that something did change with respect to Madoka's individuality. I wouldn't put much stock in Madoka's whisper after she disappears, it's too much like what she says when she becomes the Law of Cycles in episode 12 and we all know how that went for Homura's happiness.
>>290592704Eva and Madoka are both good and you wrote this post with AI.
>>290592704Madoka Magica absolutely mogs Steins;Gate you shitty fanboy.
>>290592984>I wouldn't put much stock in Madoka's whisper after she disappearsI'd agree with that but apparently the last line was only added after the ending theme was done. Which makes it feel like it has to mean something more than just being a redo of episode 12I could still see it being fully metaphorical tho, or just again one last final thing Madoka says to her
>>290592984>Everyone seems to say that Madoka is the one who answer the Homuphone at the end but I didn't actually recognize whose hand it was.An anon some threads ago said he was 100% sure it was Madokami's hand.
>>290592984>>290593159>Everyone seems to say that Madoka is the one who answer the Homuphone at the endqrd?
>>290593090There are a lot of recalls to previous important scenes, e.g. Rebellion's flower field and Madoka defeating Walpurgisnacht so it feels like another one of those.
>>290592704Steins;Gate is the worst anime of all time
>>290593203>>290593071SGDS needs to be classified as a mental disorder
>>290593183I mean yeah, it's the end of Kaiten and it's the main scene of Madoka and Homura together in this movieIt kinda has to be important. I just wish that it was easier to make sense of
Keep the shots coming, my wraiths.
>>290593183Any callback to the chairs?
>>290593399A bench is like a double chair
>>290593399Not specifically but the hill cut in half was there.
Camrip when?
>>290593568Soooooon
>>290593415What's with the bench anyway?
>>290592333I wanna get one of Figmas so bad, but due to delivery company in my country of how they don't sometimes care about packages from other countries I can forget about ebay or anything else...not sure about Zenmarket because I'm in EU
>>290593515So Madoka survives as a timeless piece of art, while Reddit;Gate forever remains a corporate brand to be shilled to midwits with no actual artistic merit? Makes sense.
Steins;Gate fucking sucks. On repeat watches it is decent, and if you are such a fucking faggot that you legitimately enjoy anime steeped in time travel, then I suppose you'll have fun finding all the hidden nooks and crannies inside of its admittedly dense narrative structure. The problem I have with it is that it insists upon itself, to the point where, when it rushes ahead of the plot it's trying to build and gives the viewer whiplash, it comes across as downright disrespectful to the viewer. Going into the series blind was, for me personally, a massive waste of time, because it's incredibly obvious that the intention when it was released was to theorypost and make headcanons about what would happen next while the glacial pacing from each episode festered. But after the fact, trying to just take the 24 episodes at face value? Fat fucking chance.What I'm trying to say is, an anime shouldn't need 10 rewatches to be good. Steins;Gate is one such show. It's literally just Big Bang Theory for Reddit fans (and don't even try and act like it's anything else you insufferable faggots) and beyond its plot it is really, really shallow as a complete work. I wouldn't have so much vitriol for it, were it not for everyone being so staunchly against criticism of the show. It's fine to shit on any other anime series, but not this one for some reason. I think that speaks volumes about the anime community's elitism.While I'm at it, fuck Steins;Gate 0. Absolute bollocks masquerading as the continuation to this waste of a series.
>>290592783Madoka is sad because she erased Homura's memories. Homura is smiling because she no longer has the memories that made her sad, just the feeling of being loved. Homura can no longer devil because she doesn't have those emotions any more. The ending is literally a mirror of Rebellion's with Madoka making a world where Homura doesn't remember and can be happy like Homura did for her.
So wait new movie is finally out but ends on cliffhanger?
>>290593731Gottem
>>290593805obviously it would have been since it's been considered "new beginning"
>>290593736>Homura can no longer devil because she doesn't have those emotions any more.But she still has her ringAlso why does she say she's with her after she's gone?
>>290593731And that's why Beavis is better than Butthead
>>290593805Yea and we, as in everyone including the Japanese, can't come to a consensus on wtf the ending meansIn these threads it seems to be broadly betweenThe things suggested at the end of >>290575083 and >>290593736
>>290592886Interesting indeedI wonder what will be next to leak
>>290593515Madoka is a subversive deconstruction of the magical girl genre grounded in feminist theory and a masterpiece. Steins;Gate is just haremshit
>>290594002Counterpoints about this >>290593736 or any variation of it, in the stage gretings Yuki said the ending wasn't a sad one and Suitou was talking like Homura still remembers and has not give up yet.
>>290592886Damn. Selma is so fucking hot!
>>290594164Our HERO
>>290594124>Yuki said the ending wasn't a sad oneWhich I don't really get, because even the best probable ending we have >>290578489 is still one I'd say is sad. It's an improvement over episode 12 and for Homura it's probably as good as she can get without Madoka actually being with her, but it still isn't perfect and Madoka is still back on the cross. It's still bittersweet although a lot less bitter and a lot more sweet I don't put much stock into the 'Homura is dreaming/forgot everything at the end' theories anyway since it just makes Madoka look like a cunt. Which is fun as a meme but pretty clearly not meant to be how people intend to see her as a character.>>290594164I want to sex the Kyubey-cultist
>>290594101>rth
>>290589768he's right though
>>290594124There are some staff members who do have a say on canon and should be listened to when it comes to it, voice actors aren't part of them.
>>290594535They would understand the ending of the movie they worked on
>>290594606Not necessarily better than anyone else.
>>290594291>Which I don't really getMost likely she mean the ending isn't a straight up tragic one and leaves the window open for a better outcome.After all, regardless of the current situation as long Homura remains a devil she still has the powers to recover Madoka and unlike in the anime and Rebellion where she was doing everything alone now she has a whole team supporting her (even some LoC girls will side with her if they come back). Which is actually a hopefull outlook.Huh. A hopefull future. Kind of reminders me to the last lines of kanata.
>>290594708>even some LoC girls will side with her if they come backI still can't believe that Sayaka and Walpy are both essentially now on Homura's side She might've (for now) lost Madoka (unless they can still talk on the phone) but she pretty much won the war
>>290594655Kitamura said in a interview together with the scrip they were given a narrative outline with details omitted from the script and the meaning of background elements that were hard to graps otherwhise.I'm pretty sure they have a good idea about what is supossed to be the dealt with the end.
>>290594397If being a magical girl equals working then Madoka didn't do shit to make them not work but to make their death painless
>>290594871>being a magical girl equals workingYou have to be extremely low IQ to believe this
>>290593887>But she still has her ringThat's her meguca ring. It has fuck all to do with her being the devil. She doesn't even have it in her devil form.>Also why does she say she's with her after she's gone?She's with her in spirit.
>>290594908Just like Selma!
>>290594124VAs record their lines and then fuck off while the movie is made; in fact they record before the animation even happens. The script and direction can change wildly afterwards, and they don't get to see the final product until much later. If you'd ever seen a con panel with VAs you'd know they tend to know jack shit about the episodes they talk about. A movie looks insanely different to an actor on the inside before it comes out.
>>290595081>That's her meguca ring. It has fuck all to do with her being the devil.Look >>290575964>She's with her in spirit.And telling Homura that will make no sense if Madoka was trying to make Homura forget about her.
>>290595144>in fact they record before the animation even happens.Yeah, while they watch the storyboards and after reach the script to know what the story is all about.>and they don't get to see the final product until much later. Like writers and other members of the staff.
>>290595144The last VA lines weren't recorded until this year
>>290595081>She's with her in spirit.Why say it to her if you are trying to make her forget that you exist?
https://screenonline.jp/_ct/17859690#goog_rewarded>[Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Movie: Walpurgisnacht: Rising]>・A New Beginning and Where It Leads>・Story>INTERVIEW・*Madoka Magica*: A Treasure Trove of Swirling Ideas – Director: >Yukihiro Miyamoto>・Origins and Turning Points: The Magic Key That Is [Madoka Magica] – Screenwriter: Gen Urobuchi (Nitroplus)>・Character Design Philosophy in the New Chapter of [Madoka Magica] – Original Character Designer: Ume Aoki>・Madoka Kaname (Aoi Yuki) × Homura Akemi (Chiwa Saito)>・Sayaka Miki (Eri Kitamura)>・Kyoko Sakura (Ai Nonaka)>・Mami Tomoe (Kaori Mizuhashi)>・Nagisa Momoe (Kana Asumi)>・Shion (Shion Wakayama)>・Selma Therese (Tomoyo Kurosawa)>・Kyubey (Emiri Kato)>・Girls of Hope and Rebellion – Otherworldly Space Design: Gekidan Inu Curry (Doroinu)>・The Otherworld Gekidan Inu Curry Imprints Upon [Madoka Magica]>INTERVIEW>・The Sound That Resonates with *Madoka Magica* – Music: Yuki Kajiura>・Challenging a New Sonic World in *Rising* – Sound Director: Yota Tsuruoka>・Was the love Homura chose at the end of the rebellion salvation, or an act of rebellion against the world?>[Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Movie [New Story]: Rebellion]>INTERVIEW>・The Weight of *Madoka Magica* and Where It Stands Today – Chief Director: Akiyuki Shinbo × Screenwriter: Gen Urobuchi (Nitroplus)Any idea about how long we'll have to wait until this is translated?
>>290594908That's why he's a schizo
>>290595426Pretty sure some of these were before the movie came out
>>290592886Lol, I didn't expect Selma to be such a villain. She even has a villain monologue.
>>290591989homura tamura cinematic adaptation, that has the canon ending
>>290590451I dont like it because i expected closure and got a fucking sidequest that nobody really asked for.
Watched itIt's an obvious sequel hook cliffhanger endingDon't know how much has been spoiled but:Fake Homura is Walpurgis who is the original magic girl who made witches to begin with as a way to "save" them because before witches existed a full soul gem would turn them into a monster with no individuality and she wanted to let them have at least that, her wish was actually to save all the magic girls, same as madoka, she's the one who created the system which stores all the witches' records outside of the universe. Post credits is QB sitting there saying he has a plan. Her goal is to return madoka to the ring but then she remembers that madoka saved her at the end of the TV series and just joins the rest of the old characters to egg homura on and affirm her choice to save madokaThelma has the motive of wanting to be useful and it turns out that she loves the incubators and thinks they're right about everything because they're the most useful things in the universe and she's trying to help by turning madoka into her witch form and making everyone witches but QB just goes "lol what a moron there's no point if they don't despair and just become witches" and fucks offGlasses is just some moron along for the rideNo kyouko/sayaka scenes at all, kyouko is paired with classes and sayaka spends most of the movie with homura ending is madoka going back to the ring and post credits is QB plotting shitcredits have footprints walking alongside each other, black and white. Near the end they part. The white footprints turn towards the black footprints for a moment, and then turn away and walk off the screen while the black footprints keep walking forwardpamphlet was sold out
>>290595918I watched itI don't know where the "it's a side story" retards are coming from it LITERALLY has a fucking post credits sequence with QB figuratively sitting in the witch warehouse twirling his moustache
>>290596058they should just have let selma kill green when she reveals her true goal and kidnaps madoka like urobuchi originally wanted.
>>290596058Nagisa is the only one who knew everything all the time and just didn't say anything because she doesn't care as long as she has funShe's the one who kills Thelma by having Mami make a fucking cake space battleship yamato (it flies and the cannon is controlled with a gun in the bridge that mami shoots, literlaly yamato) that shoots Nagisa out of the hadou cannon and she flies into Thelma's witch core and stabs her soul gem with a cheese kunaiFor some reason she uses cheese kunai this time and her witch is a big blender
>>290596078>I don't know where the "it's a side story" retards are coming from it LITERALLY has a fucking post credits sequence with QB figuratively sitting in the witch warehouse twirling his moustacheyes? but that is a sequel hook for the next movie that will finally maybe resolve that, thats what people mean with filler/sidequest, that the story of kaiten is mostly irrelevant to the actual plot of madoka magica and the stuff going on between madoka and homura
>>290596129no one is allowed to die ever in gachaslop, don't you know? people wouldn't like to see their favorite characters gone
>>290586846>>290587892>>290587957This convinced me I switched timelines. I don't remember this shit at all, but I looked through the episodes I have downloaded and sure enough its in there. At first I was thinking "damn the movie recaps add a lot I should watch them" but it's in the original. I'm from a timeline where this scene doesn't exist
>>290596129She does literally nothing in the final fight despite being there and then the ending has Kyouko sitting in the tea party room alone without her so she might actually be dead I got the vibe that they're just hedging to see if she's popular so that they can go either way
>>290596058How accuraty is this >>290575083?
>>290596177Nikke kills off characters sometimes but it's rare af
>>290596078your standards for the movie being meaningful is that it has a marvel teaser post-credits scenethat's what madoka has been reduced to
>>290595155>LookYou look here you dumb retarded motherfucker. From episode 10 of the series. Notice the ring? Notice that it's the same fucking ring? It's almost as if the ring is the same whether she's the devil or a regular magical girl, and her still having the ring (which is the same fucking ring) gives us no info on which of the two she is now.
>>290596058>which stores all the witches' records outside of the universeA sort of... Magical Record, perhaps.
>>290596209the earring thing is probably a better tell, is she wearing it?
>Mami is just "boobs" and Le Tiro Finale girl nowMamibros...
>>290596339the only thing that og mami had was depression and big boobs tho
>>290596339>>nowYou mean always.As an aside Tiro Finale is such a dumb name.
>>290596339So what? She was just a red herring before. 'Oh, look it's the main magical girl - No wait, she's dead or crazy or gets upstaged because the show isn't about her.' Doesn't stop her from being the most voluptuous magical girl, and thus getting tons of fan attention.
>>290596429christ she has massive tits for a 15-16y old jap girl
>>290596479She would have bigger ones if she became evil. We need magical girl corruption introduced to the series.
>>290568498Majima lostChisaTaki wonbtw
>>290596479No. That's normal. Although in that particular fanart she is really, maybe excessively, busty.
>>290596058When homura talks to madoka and sayaka warning them about walpurgis she stands sideways basically doing a jojo pose the whole timeWalpurgis witch form is seen floating around in the sky after madoka's witch disappears when it's unclear when it showed up and isn't really acknowledged after (goes back to being fake homura again) and she stays at fake homura even after her real identity as the nun is revealed
>>290596209>>290596276>The ring in the anime was Homura's soul gem. >In rebellion her soul gem turned into the dark orb. >After that, she started to wear the earring and the ring was gone. >That ring is sopossed to be the alternate form of her dark orb. >In Kaiten she doesn't have the earring anymore and is wearing a ring again. >That ring is supposed to be her dark orb.>If she was it at the end she still has her dark orb>If the still has her dark orb she's still a devilClear enough?
>>290596339Hate to tell you this anon but she was always a plot device and nothing more
>>290596514true, magical girl corruption is such a good concept>>290596522i dont think that girl in the image is 15y old tho?
>>290596536i think the problem is that we dont know what is inside her ring, could be the dark orb or her normal soul jim
>>290596536>That earring is sopossed to be the alternate form of her dark orb.
>>290596536>the ring is identical whether it's her soul gem or her dark orb>her devil form was defeated>we don't know which of the two she has now>saying "it's her dark orb because it just is" is retardedKill yourself btw.
Our S;G friend currently has a thread right now
Is madoka magic not that big? I still see cosplayers for it at cons and stuff. Im just suprised it didnt get an english translation release considering animes mainstream now. Its definitely more deserving of it than chainsawman and demon slayer
>>290596556I'm not going to google busty fifteen year olds for you! Just know that since breasts can begin to develop at age nine six years is plenty of time to get stacked.
>>290596058new ring is not god madoka, has straight hair going down (though still long enough to go past the screen) instead of it spreading out and no wings and homura says she broke it by taking madoka out and gives up at first before everyone else (including walpurgis) eggs her on to go save madokathe whole movie was being just an excuse to go "actually homura WAS doing the right thing at the end of rebellion and even sayaka agrees"mami gets no good action scenes, all she does is regular gun stuff and then the yamatokyouko fights glassesnagisa fights thelmasayaka fights walpurgisdevil homura fights all three, she uses black blocks
>>290596611>I'm not going to google busty fifteen year olds for you! Just know that since breasts can begin to develop at age nine six years is plenty of time to get stacked.there is no need for you to do that, i already know, its not impossible, i just find it difficult for a jap girl of that age to have it, i guess it depends how early her puberty was.
>>290596624>actually homura WAS doing the right thing at the end of rebellion and even sayaka agreessucks, while yeah i get that seyaku would be ok with homura trying to save madoka the ending of rebellion made it obvious how homura cutting madoka from the LoC was a personal betrayal for sayaka, so i would like if they at least talked about that a bit.
>>290596599it is big, but not that popular much on scale of DS or CSM which I think it's even better considering some CSM fans (also Planning to cosplay Homura, because cosplaying as other characters and cosplaying Sayaka made me realize big difference how many people recognized Sayaka. They not recognized characters from stuff I watched or read tho besides her)
>>290596582>>290596590>the ring is identical whether it's her soul gem or her dark orbActually, the runes aren't the same.I can't read runes, but from what I've seen, her new ring has the latin version of runes while the old had the standard one.
>>290596702>I can't read runes, but from what I've seen, her new ring has the latin version of runes while the old had the standard one.the runes on the rings are just their names iirc
>>290596599When is it coming out in America? Because in my 3rd world country it's coming out in October 1st.
i liked the magireco movie about the uwasa of the lizard telephone, I don't know why everyone is so mad...
>>290596702This is up in the air because it could just be a design change the same way every other meguca had one.
>>290596738>the runes on the rings are just their names iircYeah, but there are 4 versions of runic language.https://wiki-puella--magi-net.translate.goog/Witch_Runes?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=es&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=tcThe latin variation is used for beings that are "witch-like" but not true witches. It has been used for the nightmares from Rebellion, the Uwasas from Magireco and now for Homura's new ring and some promotional arworks where Homura's name is writting in that version of runic.
I NEED Sayaka to bully a weak and pathetic Homura as payback for the end of Rebellion.
>>290596865hm, interesting
Has anyone talked about how Madoka's witch form got retconned again and she's buddha now?
>>290596838Homura is the only character whose ring's runes had changed from traditional to latin.
>>290596639>Glorious Scandinavians
Here's a post made by a nip talking about the whole deal with the runic lenguage and what the use of latin runic with Homura means.https://note.com/hane504/n/nde74a79db4eb
>>290596514>>290596556Sayaka got an Inverse form in Exedra.
>>290597070>East asian women having bigger boobs than norse onesThis can't be real
>>290597204Blue smaller, Red bigger.
>>290596702Her old ring said homura and her new one says homulilly.
>>290597252Oh...huh. Was expecting niggresses to be at the top.
>>290597275You got to be lean to make it in Africa.
>>290596944Not really a retcon when the series already established it's different depending on how much power she has.
>>290597070>>290597252i call that bullshit, latin america is full of teens with huge breasts
>>290597070>>290597252>>290597275>>290597323>it's basically an obesity index
>>290597255I'm pretty sure it says Homura like in the pic, but I could be wrong.If it says Homulily then is even more clear the ring is her dark orb because while in earring form it also had homulily written in it.
>>290597307She is really light skinned for a proper African too. They should have used her hair color for her skin color and then just went black on the hair.
>>290597362not really, my country simply has girls with big breasts, they are just reaching puberty earlier, my aunt reached hers at 8.
>>290597368You're right I just read the note>>290597112It was homulilly in archaic at the end of rebellion and they changed it to homura in latin for kaiten
>>290597362There's a correlation but it's not a perfect one. Norse countries are overall not that fat.
>>290597157Post pics.
>>290597436
So, Can we all agreed Homura is still the devil?
>>290597470oh, thats actually quite nice, very sexy, need all of the others to have one too.
>>290597470Sex. You're convincing me to buy the Madoka BDB cards.
>>290597527Mami always has her MagiReco brainwashed form.
>>290597496The sexiest Sexy devil ever, yes!>>290596872>Sayaka actually being on top for once>It's not just Homura "letting" her be on top either she's in a position to actually be on topHot as fuck.
>>290597595eh, not dark enough, with corruption i mean more like sayaka or someone like chibiusa from sailor moon
>>290597599Sayaka was topping Homura in their Rebellion fight, they clearly go back and forth.
>>290597704Based and true.
>>290597470Context?
>>290597798perfect
>>290597842Any recommendations?
>>290598191in mainstream media? fucking sailor moon that i know, its damn rare and you see it more in doujins.I suppose prisma also has a bit of it with chloe but eh
>>290598252Sugar Sugar and PreCure have both done corruption off the top of my head (the latter very recently too).
>>290598417nice, will give it a look
Massquoting is not normal posting behavior.
>>290597470Honestly that made me think what if they would do many of these characters storylines like this, maybe not exactly the same because it would be too boring, but that is something. Imagine one with Madoka... (I also though for some time Hitomi was gonna become magical girl in this one lol)
>>290597836if you know how Exedra works in the Lighthouse original story something gets bad in it and Kiokus start to collapse and if they become unstable they would disappear completely from all universes. Kyoko kioku and Felicia go with Namae to get Sayaka back since she was the first one who collapsed to different universe to get her "core" self back, but the world they would enter may differ from other worlds and it is unknown what kind of changes it would had. So here we have first one with her. I'm actually curious about this original story mode since I never much was into gacha and ironically the waiting for the new movie got me into it I started enjoying it
Next thread?
>>290597836It's from a timeline where Kyosuke's accident never happened, and he got with Hitomi right away. So Sayaka's wish is different this time, and her power seems to be to absorb people's luck to increase her own. So while her wish is still unrevealed, it's likely that she wished for Kyosuke and Hitomi to share a bit of their luck with her, since she's seen being jealous of them
I still think she's the Devil
