Stop whore, im trying to be a terrorist
Huh...? How's Quess in this?
>>290652973Hathaway is a schizo
>>290652973Probably some newtype apparition bullshit.
>>290653029>>290653028Both are true
>>290652973newtype magic, dont ask tomino
>>290652973that would be gigi as she was getting paid
>>290652628So the moral of the story just have sex to prevent terrorism?
Why are all mecha anime horny
This movie sucked ass
>>290653415t.Amuro
>>290652973they used dragon balls
>>290653207No the moral of the story is that you should have lots of sex so you don't have any regrets when you dedicate the rest of your life to terrorism
>>290652973MC forgot to take his meds.
>>290653207No, it's have sex so that you don't fuck up being a terrorist.
Give me back Hala!
It was honestly a pretty boring flick. I honestly don't know which character i hate more - Hathaway or Lame Aim.
>>290652973Apparently in UC Newtypes can haunt you until the end of time. If newtypes share a bond their ghost can cause schizo psychosis episodes.
>>290652628there's always time for whores
>>290652973A fine piece of jailbait from a more civilized age.
>>290653207The moral is BPD women will fuck your life up forever
so...gigi is used good?
>>290658463No. Her sugar daddy only pays her to put on pretty dresses. The captain and her took off their clothes to sleep because AC was broken and they spent the entire night talking about their feelings until they both fell asleep, as good friends often do.
>>290653207Its that you should love yourself and have sex. Char only did the have sex part which is why he died
>>290652973It's a combination of Hathaway's psychosis and the fact that at the very least he saw Amuro's ghost so Quess' ghost could also be around.
>>290658463Newtypes just make the best whores honestlyMarida (Unicorn), Angelo (Unicorn), Gigi (Hathaway) and Lalah (UC) are all prostitutes. And there's also Macky in IBO (basically a cybernewtype equiv)...
>>290658463(cont) but anyway Gigi seems to have it easy because everyone else like Mcgillis, Angelo, Marida, Lalah seem to not only be prostitutes but probably got raped a lot
>sex inside gundamyeah, imagine being that person who have to clean that shit up
>>290658901at least hathaway and gigi didn't fuck inside a gundam that was literally possessed by someone's ghost
>>290652973She's not, he's just having a schizo moment
>>290658937his PTSD is crazy
>go bald>do you hate me nowwoman, am i right /a/?
>>290653362Wasn't Lalah Machu's age when he found her?
>>290653515Amuro didn't show up in the movie though?The Amuro ghost is just Hathaway projecting what he thinks he would say to him in the middle of a PTSD episode
>>290658463Always has been.
>>290658998Hathaway is using Lane as a stand in for Amuro for his sperg out
>>290658998>spoilerDoes it say that in the book or something? I believe it, but I don't think the movie did a good job making that clear
i will be honest, i only watch it because ueda reina, i only know gundam wing and freedom
>>290659036Amuro's voice is overlapped with Hathaway's during the second half of the argument every time he talks, with the last things he says is then just only in Hathaway's voice.Hathaway was unironically just arguing with himself.
>>290653207>Amuro: lmao have sex hasawei>Quess: That Gigi girl is hot>NO I MUST NOT HAVE SEX SO THAT I CAN BE A GOOD TERRORIST
I find it funny that Hathaway think's he is important enough for Amuro to randomly just show up as a newtype ghost to argue with him
>>290659093Amuro, Lalah and Char are probably fuckingGigi wants to fuck Hathaway as well but he is too autistic to drop terrorism for sexooo which is why Hathaway jobs to a literal child while allowing Amuro to live rent free in his head.
>the movie is about Hathaway not taking his medswish it were a joke
>>290659269There's no meds to fix newtypes
>>290659298he should have stepped into the newtype depressurization chamber and release all that seethe
>>290659298hes technically not a newtype, but neither is Gigi
>>290659496What? Hathaway is absolutely a Newtype, he formed a Newtype connection with Quess in CCA.
>>290659496Gigi is ambiguous but Hathaway definitely is
>>290659513>>290659526Hathaway can't even into a basic newtype flash when he's fightingHe may have latent abilities but he never is shown having the capabilities of other newtypes in the series. All the newtype ghosts and shit in Hathaway Flash is just PTSD induced hallucinations with the Gigi shit being more her doing than his.
>>290658463Yes, she explicitly sells her body to old men
>>290659496Hathaway is a newtype, just a weak one. Gigi is stronger than everyone shown in this show combined
>>290659496>>290659574retard, they are both newtypes, their very first meeting has the newtype sting when she calls out the fake mafty.
>>290659626gigi also basically knows exactly where hathaway is all the time, she's been watching shit for kenneth and can detect the weapons being fired all the time.and when she is doing the housewarming, the way the direction is setup makes you feel like her powers are also activated the whole time.it's not as flashy as the zeta/unicorn/gquacks gang but gigi is definitely using them this moviehathaway mostly activates his against Lane but it's mixed with his schizoid PTSD
>>290652628why is miku molesting hathaway in the shower?
>>290659574>Hathaway can't even into a basic newtype flash when he's fightingHe used schizo flash to subconsciously molest Lane while having an argument with Amuro's ghost. He's literally thinking about Char memes instead of the battle and still penetrating the twink hardcore style.
>>290659908Miku gets to take what she wants.
>>290659496Hathaway is a Newtype otherwise he wouldn't able to use funnel missiles
newtype? more like newhalf haha
I think this more ambiguous way of portraying newtype powers hits pretty hard. Its less of just magic with no downsides and more of a unexplained phenomena that the newtypes themselves hardly understand which makes it pretty scary.I feel like this had a lot more potential and depth that could be explored.
>>290657774And she was a good friend.
These threads have got me relooking at Gundam again and fuckkk I wish ZZ actually stuck with a more grounded plot instead of just being Z2. I can actually fuck with Judau and his gang just awkwardly being thrown between AEUG vs Neo Zeon while all he wants to do is just get mad stacks and help his sister. I'm genuinely surprised Gundam hasn't done a more SoL take where it's about a kid who finds a Gundam and he's just secretly piloting it while trying to live a normal everyday life and getting into a lot of dumb hijinks.
This was so cool.
>>290663920If they ever do revisit I just hope they fix Beecha and Mondo.
I don't understand Tomino or these fucking films.
>>290664211>that steaming bitrateyikes
>>290666371That's a promotional image though. Movie itself doesn't look like that.
My OTP sucks btw.
>>290664211>He's right behind me isn't he
>>290666856no, that's a still from the film.
>>290666933they are one drunk mistake away from crashing this world.
>>290667266Released as promotional material, yes. Look man, I watched it in theaters and at home, it just doesn't look that clean.
>>290667347either you are remembering your theatre experience wrong or your screen was subpar.
>>290667505Post your screenshot then faggot.
>plunging Jap twitter >find out that according to some pamphlet given at the JP screening it's confirmed Lane in the Alyzeus killed Hala and the other dude what the fuck bro
>>290653362
>>290668320I can see why this guy is Anno's biggest inspiration. >>290668031This is pretty clearly shown near the finale lol
>>290667347The US release wasn't imax quality
>>290668453>This is pretty clearly shown near the finale lolI just thought it was the 2 guys that gave Hathaway some trouble near the end that fought Hala and the dude
>>290668031Gigi should've let Hathaway kill him with his schizo rage.
could lifting have saved him?
>>290670085Killing Lane, might've bought him some time.
>>290668031anr he is not done yet.
HAVE SEX HATHAWAY
>>290670085He could only have been saved if he went with Quess to Char on that fateful day
>>290673934NO
>>290673972And by saved you mean getting his soul liberated from gravity by Amuros fin funnerus
>>290670489>>290673934>Hatha please take your meds and creampie me all night while I'm ovulating I don't even care if you start a harem with the dozen other 10/10 babes on this ship please let us bear a new generation of freedom fighters for you>>290673996What a wild film trilogy
>>290673996
Where's Judau to help Hathaway have sex while they're crossdressing, together obviously
>>290674232Judau is the one who gets the most pussy, isn't he?
>>290674173NO WAY FAG
>>290663920You can't divorce the concept of "Gundam" from conflict or war without it being a parody or gag series, go to Patlabor for SoL stuff
>>290674232Jupiter. Ain't he?
What's more important?Terrorism or pussy?
>>290678964But it's not even really framed as a choice. He already plays around with Gigi as much as he wants and still does the first attack and leaves for his cover. Mafty is a true ecoterrorist group where the membership is just a hippy orgy commune between missions. Their women are too sexy, their illegally fished tuna is too buttery, their meds are too efficacious. And then Gigi uses the Feds as an Uber to go hookup with him again. The entire drama is all in Hathaway's head because he won't let himself choose both
Can someone spoil me, what does Gigi wants from Hathaway actually? From what I've seen and pondered, it does seems like she only really wants him for the drama/adventure. She doesn't seem like she really cared that much about Hathaway and his ideology/terrorist cell's ideas.
>>290679245Also to add, it feels like she only sees him as the escape from her life as a whore. That made her feels like she has a purpose? I don't know. What is Tomino trying to say here? lol. That pussy can lead a man astray?
YAWAHTAH XES EVAH
>>290676018Why you're asking me that, have you not watched Double Z?Judau is the cutest
>>290679723He is maybe my least liked character in the franchise.
>>290659036The real Amuro was a much better debater. He had Char talking about his mommy issues because Amuro dismantled his other points.
>>290676836Not really what I was going for. It would still be based on conflict and war but it's more of Judau protecting Shangri-La from the bullshit of AEUG vs Neo Zeon. I was hoping for a more homely feel with ZZ but they zip past that pretty quickly and have Judau and gang immediately join Bright in space. And let's be honest now, with the whole conflict and war shit that's not really happening anymore with Gundam vs Aliens that they're pushing lol
>>290659036Amuro isn't in the novel iirc. All of his thoughts are a bit downplayed in the book and overdramatized for the movies but it's mostly himself rebuffing himself. For example this was the line in Novel 1:As long I’m not conscious, he told himself, then I know I’m not dead. But if his aircraft was thrown out of the cargo hatch when it was destroyed, there was no way to know what might happen. He might end up dead. Hathaway had no desire to attempt something so ridiculous. But he knew that for a human being in battle, death sometimes came that way. The grim reaper won’t come when you’re ready for him. Such are the fortunes of war. In Novel 2, he doesn't even face Lane Aim so he doesn't have his freak out nor the Amuro speech. That's why I'm genuinely surprised nobody is talking about the changes.
>>290652628>nice robot you have there, can you use the Destroy Mode right now?
>>290679325>>290679245As another film-only I was thinking that she's essentially escaped that life at this point because of that sentimental old dude's money and is just sort of drifting along on the pretense of still being active as a high end escort because it gives her a form of "privacy" due to the way that label causes others to dismiss her existence. That's why she has the little slip of spite for the stewardess by pointing out that she's the one who's actually doing degrading acts for a man's favor while Gigi is patiently waiting for Hatha to decide he can kiss someone without deserving to immediately shove a gun in his own mouth.She's drawn to Hathaway because they are similar outcasts, she can sense that he's in a struggle of being true to himself and punishing himself for it. Even if she's not a diehard Maftyhead, she doesn't really disagree with the worldview. I think she just wants him to say everything openly and to be with him in a newtype-y "let's drift together until we're separated" way, both of which he rejects due to his trauma.
>>290659298They've had cyanide pills since at least the 1940s.
>People IRL: YEAH FUCK YEAH LETS GO LUIGI GOD I HATE THE GOVERNMENT AND CORPORATIONS BURN IT ALL DOWN YEAH FUCK DESTROY DESTROY DESTROY>People when it comes to Gundam: Uhmmmmm acktually the Federation is the lesser evil and although they're corrupt dickwads, having a life fulfilled by being slaves to the system is perfectly fine than having people try to change and fuck with the systemWhy the fuck do I see Gundam fans always like this?
>>290668320holy based
>>290680265Because the Federation is cool and has Gundams and wins all their wars. Meanwhile IRL the most powerful country in the world can't defeat the most sanctioned country in the world.
>>290680265I hate that I'm seeing a lot of Char is wrong and people take him the wrong way. Is blowing up Earth extreme and probably not the right thing to do? Yeah, sure. Does he have a point? That the rich and corrupt is suppressing the new generation for their own gain? That mankind is weighed down by gravity and that the obsession of the control of Earth will be the damnation of their own kind? Yeah, I'd also say he has a pretty good fucking point here. It's funny as fuck seeing this shit happen in real day life yet I see Gundam boomers turn a blind eye to all this just to be "grrrr Char bad!!!!!! he tried to blow up earth, grrrr Hathaway bad, he's a terrorist!!!!" I mean they're extreme answers to real problems but it's extreme actions that warrant changes for a better* future (although having no Earth may be a problem). I can understand why the fuck Char has a melty in CCA but I'm just annoyed people completely try to miss it just to meme "CHAR WANTED LALAH MILKIESS AND HAD A MELTY". Unironically "Wow cool robots" picture.
>>290679245Hathaway is the one who treats her like a person instead of an ornament/lucky charm.>drama/adventureThis is basically Ueda Reina's interpretation. Kenneth is the mature adult who can give her stability while Hathaway is the bad boy who can make her heart race with his youthful idealism. He makes her feel like she's living in the moment. https://www.animatetimes.com/news/details.php?id=1769483342&p=2
>>290680540I've never seen smack talk on Hathaway, all the posts online are just SEXO and "wow it's kind of fucked up that this anime movie based on a Japanese book from 40 years ago basically has ICE in it, why did no one stop this from happening if artists have been pointing it out for three generations?"
>>290680697I think the problem with Hathaway is people never read the novels so they just bitch about his portrayal in CCA and then go "HAH HE GETS WHAT HE DESERVES". I'm not a big fan of the changes in the movies because it makes Hathaway seem a LOT more unhinged where in the novels he has problems sure but he's more of a charismatic lead. Then there's the few people who go "Terrorism??!!!! no that's baddddd!!!!" without even trying to understand what the hell Hathaway is trying to do.
Wait I just realized Hatha and Keria don't even break up in the novels.
>>290680794Is this going to be the type of scenario where people are going to superset the movies on top of the original material and act like they're completely the same even though they're not?
>>290680740But the movies are a distinct continuity that references CCA as a direct sequel rather than simply as an adaption of the book. It's the exact purpose of the movies to use sentimentality to communicate why Hathaway would do these things and the choice to show him as more tormented is meant to give a much more realistic perspective of the psychology of even a righteous person plunging into radical action for the purpose of drawing out empathy with his motivations and purpose.The films are deliberately emphasizing every aspect of the novels that should be outrageous to the neoliberal establishment...except no one watched it lol
>>290681013Yeah, I wasn't really thinking about that. There is that interpretation as well. I was reading it more like how everyone watches "literally me" movies where it's "OH YEAH HE'S FUCKING CRAZY NO WONDER HE'S DOING ALL THIS STUPID SHIT" rather than understanding how the system can get someone to get to this point. I thought the scenes they added (the medication, the breakups, the spacey limey wimey talk with Amuro and the PTSD) are all just to discredit Mafty and that Hatha was doing this as cope which frankly I don't really like as an interpretation at all.
>>290681107That's why there's been so much emphasis on the highly topical immigration and class inequality themes in the movies with an entire montage of ordinary people going "gee, these fascists sure do suck I wish Mafty were here" right to Mafty's face. One of the major framing devices in the second movie is a shocking war crime where civilians are slaughtered under the pretext that everyone in the area is a terrorist...sound familiar at all?Even Gigi herself is part of it, right? Her entire backstory and the elements of the way women are treated in society that her character brings up are supposed to make Hathaway's path seem right if not still unhinged because of the monstrosity of struggling against the world system and being stained with Chan's blood (and why not feel guilty about Quess for good measure). That's why they make sure it isn't ambiguous at all that the movies follow directly from the CCA continuity.
>>290656992>Apparently in UC Newtypes can haunt you until the end of time.Canon since Zeta.
So Gigi is a literal whore. Did Hathaway really need to fall for a whore? Also, someone spoil me, how badly does this novel end?
>>290681599>Also, someone spoil me, how badly does this novel end?Hathaway is captured and executed by his dad, while Quess's ghost tells him that she never loved him and it was all for nothing. Or so I've heard.
>>290679953lol no, it's because he couldn't dismantle his points that Quess jumped ship. Their debate inside the asteroid literally ends with him putting a tape over his mouth.
>>290682310Bright was setup by the Federation higher ups, he was essentially given the firing squad order for the leader of Mafty and wasn't told it was his son until after it was done. The betrayal cut him so hard he resigned from the Federation on the spot so he could spend his time with Mirai and his daughter instead.In the end Hathaway's actions accomplished nothing, and the Federation's slow decline continued through the Mars Zeron conflicts, the Neo Babylon war, the Jupiter Empire wars, and finally collapsed after the war with the Zanscare Empire.
>>290680794they are pretty much done as a couple and don't interact afterwards, it's more cathartic to see the split happen on screen than letting the relationship fizzle out and not get addressed much. Audience has different expectations from novels compared to films, for example the climax will be praised way less if it was just a fight against few GKs without Lane in it.
>>290682310>>290682580Your spoilers are wrong and actually an in-universe propoganda used by Federation. You don't have to repeat points from old summaries when the novel has been translated for few years now.
>>290682545Quess just got the ick. She doesn't actually care about any of this stuff. She spends the entire film bouncing between different men trying to find the highest status guy.Hell, even char doesn't actually want to blow up the world. Tomino does. And he wants a brave youth to stop him while admitting he has a point, as a moral victory where he doesn't do anything.
>>290652973She's not. Hathaway is having another one of his cuck schizo meltdowns.
>>290682938Char is just immensely disappointed in mankind and figures they'll never change, so he wanted to force change while he was still alive to be able to do something about it. Amuro was the one who wanted to believe in mankind's willingness to change and had faith they would make the right choice.
>>290682938>Quess just got the ick. She doesn't actually care about any of this stuff. She spends the entire film bouncing between different men trying to find the highest status guy.like most gundamfags, you don't get her character at all.
>>290682938Quess wanted a daddy, the film spells it out, she joined zeon because she didn't belong anywhere, her father didn't give a shit and Amuro told her to fuck off.And Char legit wanted to freeze the Earth. He just didn't give a fuck what happened after and was fine with getting killed by Amuro in the process.
>>290683193Quess's final action says a lot about her.
>>290682545>Quess jumped shipdaddy issues and she wanted to jump on an older man's cock, and Amuro wasn't available>Their debate inside the asteroid It wasn't a debate, Amuro was trying to get under Char's skin while trying to kill him, then Char sperged out and his rebuttal was a contradiction.>I'm not trying to change the world while trying to cause a long nuclear winter on Earth so everyone leaves it
>>290684127>Char sperged out and his rebuttal was a contradiction.>I'm not trying to change the world while trying to cause a long nuclear winter on Earth so everyone leaves itAmuro speech is about how things won't be as Char envisions after his revolution succeds and Char says he doesn't give a shit.
>>290684127Amuro kind of describes what Zeon Deikun was doing and how his ideals were raped by Zabis and Federation which prompted Char to go into hiding, twice. He is warning Char about what will happen afterwards Axis Drop but from Char's POV he is not making it tomorrow, hence why he makes an empty promise to Nanai, why he has no qualms about using Quess and why he is willing to commit biggest sin of humanity.
>>290684348That's cause char doesn't really give a shit about any of this. He's just lashing out because his waifu is dead and the guy who understands him most resents him and his big revenge crusade got him nowhere and his impressionable protege got mindraped and his sister is only going to tell him to chill out and live a normal life.The dude's run out of options and decides to roleplay as an evil emperor to get amuro to look at him again. This also ties into the recurring theme of characters doing things to impress other characters that don't care about them. Gyunei and hathaway want attention from quess, quess wants amuro and then chars attention, and char wants attention from amuro, and it never reciprocates back down.
>>290684945Char absolutely cares, Fukui actually captured it perfectly when Minerva was comparing Full Frontal's plan with "the passionate madness of Char" it's why she declared Char truly dead when she heard Full Frontal just go into cold materialism. Char was never actually about that he wanted to elevate humanity, and ultimately that meant that the elites had to be forced off Earth. By any means necessary.
>>290685516He gave amuro the means to defeat him. He lets him escape at the start and gyunei asks him why he isn't using his funnels. If his plan was actually the point he'd have gone all out on him, possibly killing him right at the start of the film. The movie is him forcing a final duel with his nemesis that thinks he's just a pain in the neck. I'm sure he does feel the way he does about earth and the federation genuinely, but there's no reason to take this guy at face value when he calls people evil or tries to morally condemn them.His final line being a weird, out of nowhere confession that reveals he was actually super hung up on totally different matters and amuro reacting with having no idea what the fuck he's talking about is very important to this.
>>290653207All of the replies to this are true.
>>290686181>His final line being a weird, out of nowhere confession that reveals he was actually super hung up on totally different matters and amuro reacting with having no idea what the fuck he's talking about is very important to this.This is where you're not quite connecting it I think. He's making that confession because he's telling Amuro that he had a chance to go down another path, that chance was Lalah. When she died he was doomed to the path of being Zeon Deikun's son. He expects his plan to work and he expects to go down at the same time. He wants to change the world, not be there to shape it.
>>290668320He’s just like me fr.
>>290652628does he get gigi pregnant that is all i want to know.
>>290686311Nounless they change it in the final movie
>>290686181>He gave amuro the means to defeat him.Intention was to have a fair duel on equal footing, rather than defeating him in some under powered suit for a hollow victory. It backfired cause Amuro is a really great pilot and Nu's performance exceeded Char's expectations.>His final line being a weird, out of nowhere confession that reveals he was actually super hung up on totally different matters and amuro reacting with having no idea what the fuck he's talking about is very important to this.why the fuck do gundamfags think the lalah line is some out of context random shit that's thrown in there? They are literally talking about how Quess was used and needed a father figure, Char just connects that to himself. It's not a coincidence that Psychoframe only kicks into full gear just after he gets laid bare before Amuro like that.
>>290686311No, but they can change things to set up Unicorn 2: Gigi's Children.
>>290652973Force Ghost
>>290686181Char engineered a situation where it didn't matter whether he won or lost against Amuro, whether londo bell would successfully place the explosive charges or not, the asteroid would still fall. He was okay with dying and didn't give a fuck what happened later but he absolutely wanted the drop to happen.And he would've succeded if it wasn't for the deus ex machina axis shock that no one could've predicted.
I just fucking can't, this scene is so funny.kenneth being all smug and clueless, while his subordinates hesitate cause of the bomb that's going to explode.
>>290687083
>>290655737>forgot
>>290667577>theatre>screenshot
>>290653207>>290673934He already has.
this the shit im motherfucking talking about >>290684945why the fuck are gundam fans so illiterate?
>>290687747She's a sweet girl meant for marriage who cares about him and probably had lovey-dovey sex with him. What Hathaway needed was someone who would amazonpress him and lick the underside of his sack, or to keep sucking despite him nutting. He needed his mind blown, Julia or Hala could've probably handled that and set him right on the terrorist path.
The OYW is in people's imagination in this setting too much. They haven't gotten over it and it's been decades.
>>290687747Hot take, absolute fireThe casting director nailed the voice actress for this character.
>>290652973cuck rage goes beyond the time
>>290686419>Intention was to have a fair duel on equal footingExactly. His actual priority number 1 is running back his fight against amuro.>why the fuck do gundamfags think the lalah line is some out of context random shit that's thrown in thereProbably because amuro reasonably goes "what the fuck?" when he says it. It's char suddenly opening up about a sore spot. Amuro is also confused as to why he's suddenly talking about quess, too. Amuro doesn't really care about that shit. If anything his plan is yet another final stab at owning amuro. Him talking about how it didn't even matter if he lost because amuro can't stop his plan could just be yet more cope from the copemaster, same as when he admitted he couldn't beat amuro in a suit but he could try to fucking stab him to death. He leaked his tech to get an even final fight and then shrugs his loss off and says whatever bro i win anyway fuck youI dunno why anyone takes char at his own word, ever. The dude lies as easily as breathing. He's a manipulator who lies in every appearance he's had, and in CCA he's lying to most every single character in the movie. There's not a single person he's fully honest with in CCA, except for possibly amuro at the very end.
>>290689027Quess loved Hathaway in the end so he isn't a cuck. Their fates intertwine.
>>290689000It doesn't take much thought to cast Saori Hayami.
>>290687083>>290687106i love womentomino always hits
>>290689067Char cared more about axis falling than his duel with amuro, his spiel about Lalah makes this clear. He resents Amuro for denying him the ability to leave the path he is on.
>>290680265In the Gundam universe, the alternative to the Federation is a bunch of lunatics that want to drop colonies/nukes on the planet and kill billions out of spite.In the real world, the alternative to billionaire technofeudalism is just the democracy that the Western world enjoyed until two decades ago.
Why does Hathaway hate Amuro now?
>>290689386Because Amuro is what Hathaway wanted to be.
>>290685516>movie shows Char giving Amuro the means to stop him>movie has an entire scene of Char saying "Amuro, I'm about to do something wicked. Come and stop me">movie ends with Char completely abandoning his supposed ideology and instead yelling about Lalah>Charfags STILL pretend Char actually had a plan and he was right>"b-but Minerva said..."It doesn't matter. Absolutely nobody in the entire series except Amuro actually got to know Char. Everyone else was either idolizing him or projecting their ideas on him. Guess what? Amuro ended up mindbroken once he realized Char's entire thing is that he couldn't get human warmth from anyone and was still hung up on Lalah.
>>290689386Amuro is a hero, Hathaway is just a puny terrorist.
>>290658998>>290659036>>290685516>Fukui
>>290689663meant to quote only >>290685516
>>290689506And Amuro was wrong. Definitively. What does that make Char?
>>290689386Who doesn't? Frau Ba didn't even go to his funeral.
>>290689778>Frau Ba didn't even go to his funeral.woman scorned and all that
>>290689805She didn't like Amuro that way. She married the manlet instead.
>>290688110It would have been, in universe, the most cataclysmic event in human history. Zeon killed like half of Earth's population AS THE OPENING SALVO.We're still hung up on WW2 and it only killed like 3% of the planet.
wow reading the post in these threads, do you guys even like gundam? you clearly haven't paid attention to a single thing in it.
>>290689386why don't you? He is a useless retard who does nothing but be a good soldier for Federation and is more naive than a fucking toddler.
>>290689860>She didn't like Amuro that way. Whatever helps you sleep at night, Hayato.
>>290689979>originshitnot canon.
>>290689736>Amuro was wrongNo, he wasn't. His entire point is that Char's plan will not solve anything and he's just using pretty rethotic to mask a monstrous act that will make things worse in the long run.Need I remind you that Amuro sided with both the AEUG and Char during the events of Zeta? He knows first hand that the Federation is corrupt, but Char isn't offering a solution at all.What charfags never stop to think is what happens if Char is wrong? What happens if he drops the colony and the Federation doesn't surrender or if other factions enter the fight? Now Neo Zeon would be fighting yet another war against the Federation.Hell, there's no reason to even believe it would've been popular amongst his people. At the last minute Zeon soldiers at the front lines defected and gave their lives trying to stop Axis! It's entirely possible that a bunch of distlgruntled soldiers and civilians lynched Char even if he succeeded. That is assuming Char doesn't kill himself first.
>>290689979Katz was a nice boy, I hate what he turned into.
>>290689386Because he's a war hero that Hathaway used to idolize, but his contributions didn't change the world for the better. He also resents Amuro for the death of Quess even though that was 100 % Char's fault, in the same way that Char resents Amuro for Lalah's death even though that was 100 % his own fault.>>290689978Except for the part he defected to the AEUG.And also he fully knows the Federation is corrupt. He's smart enough to realize that another colony drop won't fix anything in the long term plus he still has a sliver of hope for humanity.
The main thing that bothered me about Char is in the end he didn't care about Kamille. Whiplash, I expected him to give a shit.
>>290690150Amuro still fought for AEUG even after the end of the Gryps Conflict. I want to know how he felt about the Federation finally helping at the end of ZZ. God Amuro should have been in ZZ.
Hathaway is avoiding Quess cause he knows what she's going to say."Please let me go Hathaway""I never loved you Hathaway""We only spoke for a few days Hathaway, that's not love""You don't even know what love is"
>>290690184Char cares about him upto a level but he is too soldier/pilot minded to be a good mentor. Since he is a weak newtype, he pours his hopes onto the younger generation. People say that he exploited Quess in CCA but that has always been the case with him since First Gundam with Lalah and then with Kamille in Zeta.
>>290691413She was literally pestering Bright for a date with him and later sacrificed herself to save his life.
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>>290691673Do you think Lane killed her because he gay?
Christ HathawayHAVE SEX
>>290689386Hathaway dilemma throughout the whole trilogy is that he can’t be neither Char and Amuro, his tragedy is that he can’t full fill the role of the hero or a terrorist staying in the middle was what ruined it.
>>290689386Because he remained the federation's cuck.
>>290692313The federation is the only moral state in gundam though
>>290668320Tomino's so fucking based
>>290653207The moral of the story is that kids are retarded (even the grown ones in their 20s) and its for the best that some of them get netted and electrocuted and then summarily executed. All the fault of their own actions btw.
>>290658998Because Hathaway isn't really worth Amuro's time. Except the few seconds he spends to say >hey retard, you're gonna get yourself killed doing this
>>290692991Yeah I think it really was Amuro talking to Hathaway in the first movie but in the second it was all in his head.
>>290693020They got me...!” Hathaway had just finished setting up the computer’s combat database for Earth. "...!” As long I’m not conscious, he told himself, then I know I’m not dead. But if his aircraft was thrown out of the cargo hatch when it was destroyed, there was no way to know what might happen. He might end up dead. Hathaway had no desire to attempt something so ridiculous. But he knew that for a human being in battle, death sometimes came that way. The grim reaper won’t come when you’re ready for him. Such are the fortunes of war.
>>290687747He needs a crazy slut not someone who truly cares for him.
>>290692991>>290693020You are meant to re-contextualise that line from 1st after seeing that it's just a hallucination in the 2nd.
>>290689261Bro he left the abandoned Nu Gundam alone. He care a lot about his stupid duel. If his axis plan took #1 priority over everything else, he wouldn't have given the psycommu data.
>>290691422He had an excuse with Lalah, she was part of Zeon's Newtype projects so if it wasn't him, someone else would've been assigned to send her to battle.Kamille chose to fight on his own, knowing what war is like. He didn't need Char to convince him.Quess was absolutely charmed and goaded to fight by Char. He took advantage of her pretty willingly.
>using gaijin grandpa's rock as endingWTF is wrong with sunrise?
>>290695883old is gold, I guess.
>>290652973Yours
>>290689892>Zeon killed like half of Earth's population AS THE OPENING SALVO.no, both Federation and Zeon are responsible.
>>290670085>>290674173so...why is Gigi so thirsty for this dude?
>>290700439Because he's morally righteous even if she doesn't quite agree with the methodology, and she can tell he's the sort of man who would never ask for oral and anal just to be macho.
>>290700538>Because he's morally righteousThat's very generic
>>290700635She's basically an Epstein victim drifting at the fringe of the decadent oligarchy overseeing the collapse of Earth, it's actually incredibly rare for her to meet someone conscientious. Plus he's the infamous leader of a wanted organization who some call the next Char.
Can't wait for SRWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zFedh77E5U
>>290701186Incidentally we've already had Hathaway show up in an SRW game before.
>>290701186>all of them calling Hathaway's nameDude needs eight saviors.
>>290701186>>290701343This shit makes me fear they are going to change the ending.
>>290701186I NEED Machu and Nyaan to join Mafty thinking it's a small time Clan Bat crew and tag along with Hathaway. Schizoman and his moe gremlins, the contrasting styles of the latest entries in the franchise.
>>290652628Gundam Wing is still the best Gundam-Terrorists.and the main MC was an underraged who kept threatening to murder an innocent germanian grill. and he's suicidal. and he talks to robots.
>>290701444I had the weirdest cognitive dissonance watching GQuuuuux. On the one hand, you have the very modern Machu and Nyaan and their contemporary smart phones and issues. On the other hand, you have legacy 0079 characters like Gihren and Kycilia. It was like historical fanficiton.
>>290701468>an underraged who kept threatening to murder an innocent germanian grillShe had it coming
>>290701497technology isn't consistent across timelines. Hence why the Gundam looks completely different.
>>290658998Amuro is stuck in the GQuuuuuux universe now.
>>290689261>He resents Amuro for denying him the ability to leave the path he is onThe guy who's sister is always telling him "bro just move the fuck on, we could just get an apartment or something, you have a bajillion dollars and no one knows who you are"?Yeah he probably would blame his life's path on some guy he wants an excuse to hate and fight. That makes a lot of sense to me, he's constructed a narrative where it's all amuro's fault and he has to kung-fu fight him to the death now.
>>290701958He's fondling Machu's tits and people chall Char the lolicon.
>>290701958Amuro IS the Gundam. Yeah, eat your heart out, Setsuna.
>>290701497It's almost like conflict between generations and inherited chaos is part of the theming of the show...
>>290701497Just means that Zeon winning progresses tech much faster.
dont you get it hathaway, its problematic for you dont having sex
>>290653362The horniness in this case feels like overcompensating, as is typically the case with Gundam (not just with regards to sex, but also philosophy and politics).
>>290704222You just didn't get it
