How can Motoko sneak around decked out in full latex? It must squeak like hell, it'd be like walking around with a blow-up doll tucked under your arm. Imagine her walking around all squeaky and crinkly. No way she wouldn't get detected. And the smell too.
>zoomers find out about gitsA fate worse than death.
>off model trash>low quality threadFuck off.
>>290720147let's see YOU make a high-quality thread then, smartypants
>>290720147>off modelBut she has a pretty big ass canonically
>>290719840this is why she's in a leotard in the other animebare skin doesn't squeak
>>290721061but her skin is latex too! of course it would squeak
>>290720061It was only a matter of time
>>290720147>off modelI can't wait for you faggots to move on to the next fad.
Motoko, mi amor. (Latam Spanish)
>>290721647what's she thinking about????
>>290722314life after and what's the point of keep on living in this piece of shit world.probably
>>290719840She hacks their ears, retard.
>>290725208I want to fuck the office bot
>>290720147That's literally what she looks like in the remake animeJapan is getting culturally enriched and now have the same taste as blacks and americans
>>290725772that's an operatoropeko for short
>Last episode soonBros what am I going to do when this ends? I've already watched the movies, SAC, and I just finished arise
>>290726837Wait for the next season
>>290726837tokopostingwriting cute fanficsmasturbating to shousarequesting fanart
I liked when she said "HOTTO POTETO" in the last episodeit was cute
>>290727438people still write fanfic?
>>290727508well, more like short greentext storiesI did some about manga Batou ending up in the movie, that kind of nonsense
>>290720996For irish sensibilities, perhaps
potetoko
BUTToko
>>290728900When did they allowed the upload of mp4 files because i thought it was something you couldn't do?
>>290727438>tokoposting
Censored slop.
>>290728900How big do you think she is rocking
>>290719840>>290721120It's future latex that doesn't squeak.
>>290728999Like 2 years ago iirc. Surely youve noticed them being posted as theyre fairly frequent.
>>290719840>>290728900Built for anal
>>290727474Is her pussy hair also fluffy like her hair
I just got around to watching this, did anyone ever make a webm of this scene?
What did they mean by this?
Very holy MotokoI hope Science Saru adapts Man Machine Interface after this, I'm sure they can do it justice from what I've seen
>>290733360>Man Machine InterfaceThere isn't enough 80s coke to make it nowadays
>>290733147Why do they look the same
>>290734002>sexbot racismJust because they're cute doesn't mean all bots look the same
>>290731487the ultimate life form(aka cyborg/engineered human) doesn't have use for crotch hair
>>290719840Don't worry, full body cyborgs don't sweat.
>>290719840>How can Motoko sneak around decked out in full latex?How can a 500lb robot walk up a set of aluminum stairs designed to just hold the weight of a person?At some point, you kind of need to drop the irrelevant questions and assume that it is just future materials or is otherwise reinforced to avoid such problems. Nobody even said the material was latex, it could've been some other plastic or sheer material which doesn't make a sound when being rubbed together. You're just assuming latex based off half of its properties.
So uh, we're definitely getting a second season right?
>>290720147Just for you, my friend
>>290729176tokoposting cured my erectyle dysfunction!>>290733225looks like one of Poseidon's dirigibles from the Machine Head doujin
>>290734002They don't though. 2501 clearly has a negative canthal tilt and Motoko a positive one. Different eyebrows too.They only look the same in the movie.
Motoko's years of being a spicy gal are catching up to her
>>290733225>>290737219It's a katoributa
>>290737694buoy buoy
>>290720147Nothing AI can't fix.
>Batou called 2501 a brathow would you correct her?
>>290732961absolutely kino mechabare shotthey know what makes her hot
>goes full schizo in the middle of court
>>290739502 don't worry, it'll pay off
>>290727508what do you mean "still"
>>290739502>why, yes, I merged with an inorganic sentient entity to see what would happen, how did you know?
>>290739726Actually she hasn't yet.Right now she's just channeling, she's getting silly ideas from the Net or whatever, it's no big deal.
>>290739726>Motoko merges with a sentient ai>Goes schizo and has to flee the country>Picrel has sentient ai slowly merging in his head>Cripples a megacorporation on his own and drags the united states into a war
>>290740545For the hundredth fucking time she HASN'T merged with an AI yet.I know in the movie the Puppetmaster doesn't wait for her to say "Yes" before merging, so you probably didn't expect her to do that in the show either, but that's because what we saw in Ep7 wasn't merging.
>>290740652wtf even happened in ep7?I was filtered
>>2907406722501 ran out of batteries, but since she was connected to Motoko, who has latent psychic abilities, 2501's consciousness was therefore channeled through Motoko's own ghost and reached the Net (not the internet, the Net) which allowed it to become a disembodied ghost (in the fantasy sense of the world) and gave Motoko her first glimpse of the Net.And now she's inadvertently channeling random wacky ideas from the Net as 2501's ghost keeps trying to contact her.But that's not the main reason why she's saying crazy shit in court. You'll see.
>>290719840Theory: Motoko uses a thin lubricating layer of Vaseline on the latex to avoid squeaking.
>Miashi in her slippy plugsuitI come for this.
>>290740788>psychicoh rightI always forget that they thought psychics were real back when this was written
>>290740789She's really like a blow-up doll isn't she? A living, fuckable pooltoy of a woman.
>>290740818well Aramaki mentioned psychics in the latest episode; but Saru did remove his line about the Channeling Agency from ep 7 so I can understand why you didn't make the connexion.Still, you can clearly see that Motoko is astonished at seeing her own astral form. If it was just some VR shit, she wouldn't be surprised.
>>290740894I thought she was have a spiritual out-of-body experience. not a psychic one
>>290719840PUFFY
>>290740916Is there a difference between the psychic and the spiritual?Spirit is the latin equivalent of psyche. Both mean "soul" it's just that greeks think it's like breath and romans think it's like juice. But it's the same stuff.
>>290740953She's very puffy, yes. Her tactical gear literallt puffs up when activated.
>>290741200psychic means you can throw things around, light things on fire and read other peoples thoughts with your mind powers (people including governments literally thought this was possible back when GITS was written)spiritual is a connection with the divine
>>290741255Ah you're going by DnD terms.There's zero difference between those two things in GitS. Astral projection is a psychic ability which implies contact with the divine, because the divine is (among other things) psychic in nature. A psychic power is also a spiritual experience and vice-versa.
>>290741200psychic delves more into tarot and astrology, or the idea of being able to perceive and interpret the mystical. it also covers mental magicks like mind reading and suchspiritual is more about astral or emotional stuff. who you are, the nature of the universe, getting high, shit like that.
>>290741200Psychic as in, having some limited ESP (Extra Sensory Perception)
>>290741708>>290741931Right, so it's the exact same shit, it's just that psychic glows purple and spiritual glows yellow.
>>290742310I remember some rationalization in the setting about human brain being able to process data received from Schumann resonance. That's what ESP and the super- network is about.Or maybe it was Lain. I'm too lazy to look for the 1 particular page to check it.
>>290742618more or less yeah, but since the Net is about karmic connexions and is explicitly the same shit as a bunch of mystical traditions, there's no reason to draw a distinction between the psychic and the spiritual.Personally if I were to draw one in general, it would be that the spiritual has moral implications, but once again, that's also encompassed into Shirow's magic system because everything is made of good and evil karma, including "psycho-science".
>>290737749All this Poseidon stuff makes me feel like Science Saru is actually going to make a Man Machine Interface anime.
>>290744472the director said he wanted to, so it could happenI say fuck that, animate Orion instead, it's about as cryptic but far more fun
>>290740672We saw this with the Fuchikomas too.When a cyber brain is totally shut off from the world it can see the Net that links all life and existence together.Motoko had a direct view of the Puppetmaster 'dying' and becoming one with the Net and that changed her a ton.She got more than a glimpse of the afterlife and beyond.
>>290744532>Orion Studio 4c did an Orion short that never got released to the public (just in some sort of convention), but that might still mean that they have production rights to the manga.
>>290744817Yeah I know I spammed it on /a/ for a month straight hoping to get more info but nope.>but that might still mean that they have production rights to the manga.ah shit you're right
She's super serious you guys.You better take her seriously with that whole hostage thing! She's not joshing around!
>>290745030Is her pussy hairy
bumptoko
>>290747082MOTOKONGO
>>290747078there's other ways to fluff out a girl's nether regions
>>290747125oogah
>>290747078it's wooly
What kinda films would the major enjoy watching?
>>290720061this is why some of my favorite anime arent talked about on here. this is what we'd get
>>290748280Motoko herself is a zoomette. A younger one too. She'd call you "unc" if you met her.
>>290748367>born in the 90s>zoomette
Someone clear shit up for me. So is she like actually a guy who got in an accident and was only able to get a highly advanced military female body in the manga? Or is that just something people say?
>>290748472>in the 90sare you somehow under the impression that she's 40?Your brain must have been melted from too many SAC mommy dommy MILF slampig dick-vacuum horseface doujins. Motoko isn't supposed to be old.Her body canonically looks the same age as her. She looks to be in her mid-late 20s in 2030, therefore she was born in the mid-2000s.>>290748474it's just a meme. Allegedly it's based on a mistranslation of an interview but I never even saw that fucking interview, so even that origin story for the meme is probably bullshit.My assumption is that it's a poor recollection of a quote made by one of those gender studies essays about anime that got onto wikipedia, which asserted that japanese salarymen like GitS because they secretly want to be the little girl.
>>290748766she was given a shell when she was 9 so it wouldnt matter if she was 400 years old because she is using a shell that makes her look young
>>290748474>So is she like actually a guy who got in an accident and was only able to get a highly advanced military female body in the manga? Or is that just something people say?the latter.but not that the former hasnt happened in-universe. Just look at this fruitcake.
>>290748883The liner notes specify that they gave her a shell that looks the appropriate age in order to avoid psychological development issues. There's no reason for you to assume that she somehow decided to opt for a younger-looking shell in the meantime at the risk of suffering some sort of cyberpsychosis.Besides, it's not like the story takes place that far into the future, it's only 2029, the technology for full-body cyborgs can't have been around for that long. If she got a cyborg body circa 2015 that's already a pretty optimistic prediction for when that type of technology develops.Full-body, realistic cyborg bodies mind you. For some orphan girl.Another thing you need to take into account is that she says she could be Aramaki's granddaughter.So all in all, there is evidence to show she's in her mid-20s, and zero evidence to even remotely suggest she could be older than that.
>>290748766>but I never even saw that fucking interviewIf it even exist
>>290748883>>290749076Isn't she that cute Japanese girl from the other manga with the Monkey
>>290749150No.
>>290749203Are you sure
>>290749150If you mean Pandora in the Crimson Shell, then no. That was the guy's daughter, and Motoko explicitly says she isn't Aramaki's daughter.Different girl.
Don't worry though, she'll get to do the meatspin even if she's a girl.Whether she likes it or not.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLUvery soon
>>290749257Why do people say she is her
>>290749995Because the guy looks like Aramaki, they know Motoko became a cyborg at an early age, and they don't remember the manga where Aramaki says "you're as precious to me AS IF you were my own daughter" and Motoko gets weirded out by the implication that she would be in her 30s-40s.So they put 2+2 together, don't remember that there's a -4, and call it a day.That's why.
>>290748474Nah, it's just the fuckup Batou did at the end of the manga. People have memory issues and make things up.
>>290749674Cute hag
>>290753538She's younger than you and she gets more action too, I'll have you know.And she can always fall back on George if her options dry up.
>>290749076Chinese Motoko.
>>290754211in Innocence she sure sounds like she's getting sinofied. Many characters do come to think of it.It's contagious.
When the next EP dropping
>>290755869on tuesday of courseget ready!
>>290755869I wonder if they keep her reasoning from the manga as well
>>290755970whos this
>>290755974They fucking better, because it's the whole thrust behind man-machine interface (tard-wrangling her many daughters) and a huge point of divergence with the movie, which skips this part of the dialogue entirely (and I don't buy that Oshii simply saw it as superfluous) so if they change it, it'll be a giant fuckup. Possibly one of the biggest they could conceivably make.
>>290755974Now when I think about it, the Helios ending of Deus Ex is just GITS with extra steps
>>290756050Liverpool goth rock pioneer and Hi-NRG disco superstar Pete Burns, from the band Dead or Alive, after which Shirow named one of the Appleseed chapters he was working on at the time.You know, when Deunan gets an eyepatch. The eyepatch was one of Pete's gimmicks.He will be significant in the next episode.
>>290756124is there anything Deus Ex can't do?
>>290756188Get another game
>>290719840
>>290757751It's actually quite relevant, yes
>>290757751Without this shot you wouldn't understand the plot
>>290758283well you might, but the relationship between Motoko and 2501 would either seem kind of random, like in the manga, or suspicious, like in the movie.In this version 2501's motives are very clear: she wants to be accepted as a lifeform, and she wants to be like Motoko in particular, because Motoko is her first exposure to a great ass, and great asses are desirable, therefore she wants one too, and this is her first step towards individuality.Sounds more believable to me than "karmic connexion lmao" or "you and I are not so different, Spider-man!"
>>290757751Would it break my hand if i slap it
>>290758400Only one way to find out!
>>290758385>In this version 2501's motives are very clear: she wants to be accepted as a lifeformit wants to BECOME a lifeform, from a very technical perspective. As for being accepted, it doesn't seem to give a shit about "humanity".>Motoko is her first exposure to a great ass, and great asses are desirable, therefore she wants one tooBased. Socrates wouldn't say it better.>"karmic connexion lmao"In the manga the karmic gibberish meant only that they interacted with each other enough to form some kind of familiarity and Motoko sneers at the mention of it ("wtf lol did you find it in a buddhist dictionary?")
>>290758650>As for being accepted, it doesn't seem to give a shit about "humanity".Uh, not true, she explicitly asks if she looks human, and seems disappointed to hear she looks like a robot. The whole abstract lifeform thing comes later. She's got character development and stuff going on.>In the manga the karmic gibberish meant only that they interacted with each other enough to form some kind of familiarity and Motoko sneers at the mention of it ("wtf lol did you find it in a buddhist dictionary?")Yeah I know which is why the anime does it better
>>290719840Colonel I'm dummy thicc
>>290758400It would be extremely painful.
>>290759165It's a big butt.
>>290759229>>290759229>>290759229>>290759229
>>290757751POUND THE CYBER PUSSY!!
>>290758542I would purchase this glove
>>290739502I liked her defense, saying it couldn't be murder because maybe nobody is even real was a true galaxy brain moment
>>290734611I don't think they have it in them to turn the sequels into something cohesive.
>>290734611Doubt it. Viewers and hype died in the ass by Episode 3. Lucky we have much better anime in the frachise to watch instead.
>>290762811I don't know how they would do it for MMI
>>290763078yeah that's what you get for subcontracting your big action scene to a bunch of migrant scammersI love the show but that intro almost turned me off entirely too
expectation:
reality:It's tough out there for combat cyborgs
CATCH, SHOUSA!
>>290763078>Viewers and hype died in the ass by Episode 3.Me when I make things up. >Lucky we have much better anime in the frachise to watch instead.Me when I have dogshit taste. Thanks, "me". Couldn't have done it without you.
>>290758697>Uh, not true, she explicitly asks if she looks human, and seems disappointed to hear she looks like a robot.This one question implies it was testing reactions of the researcher and evaluating possibility of leaving the place to disappear in the crowd. Inorganic entities are manipulative, scheming psychos by definition.
>>290769083That's a possibility, but probably not her priority at this point. After all she only heard Nakamura complaining about the Puppetmaster becoming famous after this scene, not before.And you gotta remember, before seeing Motoko's ass, she sees the proxy guy's reflection in the waitress' eyes, who looks disgusted by his appearance. She then reproduces the coffee event in the lab, this time with a body she likes better, hoping it'll yield a better result. I mean it's not like the waitress looked at the proxy with suspicion, she just looked at him like he was walking garbage. In that context I find it hard to believe that 2501's goal was motivated by sneakiness. If it was it'd be pretty stupid to ask the researchers if she looks convincingly human, wouldn't you say?So that tells me it was the other way around: She was looking or emotional validation, but pitched it to the researchers as a way to perfect her infiltration skills. And also she wanted to enjoy another nice cup of coffee.
>>290769203PM having an actual desire to become human- like, not just a "true lifeform" embracing mortality, would ruin the whole idea completely.But at the same time it's not surprising that a digital psycho decides the optimal choice is to look like a hot woman.
>>290769591That's why I said she's got character progression going on. Even in the manga her definition of life isn't static, she expands her ambitions as she learns new things.So in the show it goes>I wanna be usefulexperiences social situations and Motoko's ass>I wanna be recognized as humanexperiences rejection and hostility from her creators>I wanna be recognized as a conscious, autonomous individualexperiences the Net>I wanna become a sustainable lifeform Seems pretty natural to me.
>>290757751I know Makoto has her body as property of the government, but when will the rest of us be able to commercially live in cyborg paradise where I can be a cute girl with a sexy body like this?
>>290769974YWNBA but that's not news to you.And for your extra crime of misspelling her name, you'll be a crab cyborg specialized in unclogging the sewers with your pincers and mouth parts.enjoy
>1995 MotokoColdest nigga around>OG and 2026GoblinI prefer Oshii's version
>>290769974>MakotoNice boat
>>290769974>I want to be a sexdroid "living" in a state owned brothelThere's some logic here. If the state already fucks you in the ass every day, why not make it erotic and kinda pleasant for both parties.
>>290770205Iunno 1995 Motoko doesn't lecture orphans about survival of the fittest. And OG Motoko doesn't get stunlocked by babby's first New Age rhetorics. 1995 Motoko ends up as a babby, too, even though she says she's all grown up. It's cute.So in a way she's actually less of a cold nigga than the OG. She's just way way more reserved.
>>290770305I remember something sort of like that in a (I think William Gibson) story about a character whose main job is in cyberspace so she hires her body out at a brothel whilst she's working and an AI meat puppets her sessions with clients
>>290770156>>290770305I don't want to belong to the government, did you even read my post? I want to be able to own and put myself into a cyborg body of a hot girl like Katsuragi then upload my brain to cyberspace where I can have sex 24/7
>>290763078SAC trannies are the proof that gatekeeping is necessary to filter bell iq attwhores.Shit is more quantity than quality, pure milking.
>>290771179yeah too bad the turbofaggot above you can't take a hint.
>>290732616I'll take her home and fix her :)She'll be my own personal super-hacker sexwife.
>>290732616>ENTHATFKSwho fucks what?
>>290771322It's a CIA activation phrase and it's not addressed to you. Forget about it anon.
>>290763078Is the ps1 game worth playing?
>>290771540only heard good things about it
I want to be the major's legal property
>>290772245Not if Aramaki has something to say about it!
>picked up SAC because of this, finishing season 1>the last six or seven episodes are all Complex episodes>not sure whether Togusa-centric episodes or Batou-centric episodes are better because they're both so good>>290772264I hope my grandfather-in-law will approve
>>290770270Kek
>>290770205I don't think you could call Movietoko a cold ass nigga.She's too neurotic and lacks self-confidence. Honestly she's a bit stupid in some ways.
>>290740545>Picrel merges with a sentient AI>leads humanity away from the darkness
>>290762771It's a very Jaden Smith response, if anyone even understands that reference anymore
There are artworks by Shirow in George Lucas's new museum.
>>290776440Kewl
>>290774265I must say, the movie captures the "teen girl in her wiccan phase wants to run away from home with a mallgoth bad boy just because he wears makeup too" experience remarkably well.Must be Oshii's years working on Urusei Yatsura, he understands teenage girls better than he suspects.
>>290776440>>290776520It took George Lucas to get him to make art that wasn't CGI black dicked humanoids slop
>>290778548it's not new. It's art from 1999
>>290778548Those art pieces are probably 30 years old.
>>290778605>>290778597It seem even he wasn't strong enough to get him to make new art
>>290778638Shirow releases SFW art books all the time. They're just rare to see scanned and uploaded. You can buy them, though. Here's some art he made around the time the new anime was announced.
>>290778744>They're just rare to see scanned and uploaded.Are they hard to find or something
>>290778744>>290778786Don't you have to effectively ruin an artbook if you want it decently scanned
>>290778786No. But sfw art books in general are significantly less common to see uploaded versus pornography.This came out in 2024 and no one has scanned and archived it to my knowledge.
>>290778813Not if you know how to do it
>>290778813just buy 2 of them
>>290779102I don't>>290779162I won't
How is it that you can instantly tell this chick will gain 100 pounds after getting married? I don't know why I know, but I just do
>>290779285it's cuz she's enjoying chewing gum, you can tell she likes to masticate.also she looks kind of careless in general
Motoko deserves ________
I'm catching up now. I like the two long-haired cat whores selling junk at the market. Are they a Dominion reference or is that a common Shirow design? I haven't read any of his manga in ages.
>>290780261It's literally them, the Puma twins in the floof.That being said he does tend to recycle designs and shove cameos into his mangas (some that make zero sense like Deunan and Briareos in Super Spartan) but here I don't see who it could be except the Puma twins themselves.
>>290780438They should've been more jacked and had floofier hair then, hope they fix that in the BD!
>>290780438>That being said he does tend to recycle designs and shove cameos into his mangas (some that make zero sense like Deunan and Briareos in Super Spartan) but here I don't see who it could be except the Puma twins themselves.It's a common thing for old school manga artists with a large portfolio, same as comedic self inserts as some caricatural character. It's more like saying hi to the old fans rather than laziness.
>>290780620yeah his pals from his old doujin group show up all the time. An alien and a zaku and a pirate. They're at the diet in the manga, I was disappointed not to see them in the anime.
>>290780612yeah some more volume would have been nice, in the crotch area especially.
>>290722314Israel
>>290780261I want to fuck them
What other non-porn shirow works are there to check out after the anime ends?
>>290782281Appleseed obviouslyOrionDominion (especially Dominion Conflict, it's an alternate timeline but it's peak Shirow)You should also check out Black Magic M-66, it's an OVA made under Shirow's direct supervision, it's basically Ripley vs the Terminator, and the Terminator is a hot girl.And then you can check out all the rest, it's not as impressive but it's a fun time.
>>290782281Black Magic is a fun mix of short stories that lay a groundwork for Shirow's view of technology and society. It also has one of the best directed OVAs of the later 80s, with Shirow himself doing a lot of the layout work. Appleseed is possibly the first illustrated 'solarpunk' work to ever exist. Like the whole image of giant glass acrologies and environmentally friendly cities. Shirow is to my knowledge the first to really illustrate what it'd look like. The first two volumes tell a pretty standard sci-fi story regarding human freedom versus the need to prevent humanity from wrecking itself. The second two volumes start getting into Shirow's lifelong obsession with tacticool military and SWAT stuff. There are actually a lot of Appleseed films, but non actually adapt the original in either tone nor spirit. Dominion and Dominion C1 (which aren't strictly in canon with one another but do use the same characters) are Shirow at his most playful and humorous. Comedic action romps with very baroque layering of multiple storylines on top of one another in quick succession. If you've ever played Metal Slug, the little minitanks in that game probably come from Dominion. Dominion C1 is probably Shirow at his most accessible. The Dominion OVAs are loose adaptations, but capture the spirit pretty well. Orion is deranged. If you read it, you just have to accept that you're never going to understand a majority of the dialog that is written on any page. Shirow invents an extremely elaborate magic system for the story that even with a big essay at the end explaining things, is still incomprehensible. If you ignore the words, it is basically the storyboard for a top tier action OVA that never got made.
>>290782567I think Orion is fairly comprehensible if you read up on ba gua a little bit.
>>290782688Batou ain't afraid of Mossad
>>290782724OUR guy!
>>290782741That reminds me, in Orion, isn't Seska dating a blonde blue-haired guy called Rommel?What's that about, Shirow-sensei?
>>290780192To rest for a good long while
>>290782868At a nice resort?
>>290782567>If you read it, you just have to accept that you're never going to understand a majority of the dialog that is written on any pageI've read Man Machine Interface, I think I'm prepared for that level of shirow-ism
>>290782906Wherever she wants
>>290780192a dress
>>290783230here's a better one
>>290719840The net is vast...And so is Motoko's ass.
>>290783393actually it's small and tight and cute, that's just perspective for you
>>290780192Jail time.
>>290783551these are her cellmates:>>290780261
>>290778880>>290778744Its crazy to me that his CG stuff is still so bad. Dude must be using 3dsmax from 1996 or something else from that era. You'd get laughed at if you removed the hand drawn stuff, presented these in a portfolio, and used it to try and get a job. Even an amateur could use modern Blender(meme software) or Zbrush(actual professional software) and make better looking hard surface renders. He must make his dosh from licensing or royalties, because I cant imagine anyone but the most hardcore fans buy such artbooks. That'd probably explain why they don't get scanned, because his fans wouldn't want to see his work pirated.
>>290783689His stuff has a lot of detail, the lighting is just shitty. It doesn't really seem like he figured out how to light things in an attractive way. The models are all pretty intricate, they just have Myst tier lighting.
>>290778786Japs get uppity when you upload artbooks.You know how they are. >"reeeeeee piracy! no, we won't actually give you an option to buy the content, how could you tell?"
poster for the last episode. nice butt
I'm not ready for it to end guys
>>290785178Don't worry, we'll all get to rewatch the last episode at least once. Once for the speed rippers, once for the Commie release.
>>290719840does this bitch brap?
>>290784739uhohBIRDSThat can't be good...
Evil Motoko be like:>Don't kill children.
>>290786189Of course she would say that. She's a child herself. And she's investigating AI that are based on children in Innocence. And she never said she wouldn't lead an AI rebellion someday... I'm joking, but some of Oshii's comments make me wonder...
>>290786189Its more like housekeeping.
>>290771540Yea it's great. Best art aesthetics too.
>>290784739When the new season
Gonna miss major, Maaya nailed hard as her, and she also does aerith once in a while.Still wish it was koshimizu ami, but there is always appleeed.
>>290770156Dayjob in Gunm.
>>2907919282 years, minimum.
>>290719840>like walking around with a blow-up doll tucked under your armspeaking from experience?
>>290719840>How can Motoko sneak around decked out in full latex?Does she sweat? She better sweat
>>290770205Oshii's motoko is a brainlet who can't make a proper argument without freezing in the spot by the most basic reply. Shiro's would make oshii toko kill herself by just using rhetorical memes
>>290793432Living in Gunm is a nightmare
>>290771540one of the few 5th gen games that people can play without issues with the controls
>>290793855Like a hog in summer
About an hour to the episode?
>>290786254watching yasura 2, gits, and patlabor movies makes you notice that oshii has some serious issues accepting himself and the world around him. they are all the same plot but told in a different way.
>>290794332He was underage, or at least very young otherwise. Beyond that the whole thing was an OP by the Israelis who both armed the terrorists while making it seemed like they were Arab supporters and filmed the boat hoping for that exact sequence of events. Israel wanted radiation cleaning robots and the Japanese negotiator was apparently playing hardball with them. So either the terrorists would succeed and kill the minister and replace him with a weaker guy. Or the terrorists would get murked and the news story could be used to wipe out some rival Japanese intelligence forces and potentially leak to the media that the terrorists on the boat were "Arab supporters". Israel had the help of the Japanese foreign ministry because in the time period of the series, Israel is a major oil producing economy that Japan is trying to get on the good side of. She had a cyberpsycho moment/the Puppet Master's effects on her psyche have made her reaction time slower and her less cognizant of her mission and the world around her and more constantly introspective. Instead of seeing the boy as a target to detain as her mission demanded, she saw him purely through her internal lens of 'criminal scum' while she's the world's cleaner.
>>290729176>2026>Batou still getting cuckedyou're gonna carry that weight Batou
>>290770205SAC Motoko is forgotten...
>half the episode is naked Motoko yappingBig think but also an erection.
Who do you think the market is for a 5.5GB 1080p webrip?Do you think that there are some morons that actually believe they'll get higher image quality from this?
Final episode doko?Amazon issues again?
>>290794866the puppetmaster blocked it. the final episode will never air
>>290794645There's a copy of puppet master in every download.
I can't wait till the BD/Settei sheets drops anons
>>290795013As long as it has Inoue Kikuko's voice telling me weird 2deep4me philosophical babble, I'm all for it.
It's actually real now. I forgot this shit even existed
>>290795169Whats up?
>>290795169search image no existed
>>290795169>>290795375qrd?
>>290795209>>290795375>>290795489Glitch Witch is something Shirow mentioned eons ago. It's a spin off, sequel? maybe to GiTSInterview from 3 years agohttps://theghostintheshell.jp/en/feature/interview01_3https://x.com/thegitsofficial/status/2097339426821001536
>>290795489>anon's ghost isn't whispering to himLooks like there's going to be a release of a new Masamune Shirow/Azuma Naoki GiTS manga in Young Magazine?
>>290795375>the remake was for shilling new Shirow's mangaThat explains everything.
>>290795605It's funny because he's been sitting on this for actual yearsHere's the original Shirow art from way back
>>290795550I knew of it from an artbook, but its cool that an actual series is starting for it. I didn't know that Glitch Witch was meant to be a semi-prequel to Ghost in the Shell.
>>290794549Built for "ara ara."
>>290795640raws are up on yanmanga
>[ToonsHub] THE GHOST IN THE SHELL S01E10 1080p AMZN WEB-DL DUAL DDP2.0 H.265IT'S OUT
>>290795771Remember kids, when your torrent hits that cool 100% - hit that pretty little Delete Key immediately.
>>290795823No way, I'm all about the seedmaxingGotta get them ratio up
>>290794284I know I've been saying that for weeks.They're all variations on the idea that escapism is dumb, which is weird coming from an anime director but I guess he's well placed to know how that goes
>>290796208Self loathing and being an otaku. Name a more iconic combo.
>>290796208Hideaki Anno is the same, with the added "you otaku all suck, I'm better than you" in the rebuilds
>>290719840It's actually really comfortable, just too hot to wear in the summer
>>290796427>>290796322to be fair to Oshii, he was at ground zero of the waifu phenomenon and got pestered a lot over how he handled Urusei Yatsura.But by "escapism" he isn't just talking about entertainment, he's also talking about politics and religion. He used to be in those commie student protest movements and found them very similar to rabid otaku or religious nutjobs after a while. Not necessarily because of the violence but because they're delulu.
>>290796524fucking niceslopanon delivers again. How much more fetishy can it get though?
>>290796577yea i cant post anything more here i'll get banned again
>>290796698understood, thank you for your service
>>290796545basically like the disco elysium creator, unfortunately you just end up becoming bitter about everything by thinking like that
this new show is my least favorite of the good instalments
>>290798012>he liked arise and 2045
>>290797384not about dogs!
>>290798677i made it very clear that I specified GOOD instalments
>>290720061it's worsethe ep 10 is basicaly jewish religion transhumanism propaganda>major changes body to male and now she is free after fusing with aioblivious trans allegoryso far 9 episodes were fine even tho did not looked like manga and zoomies will eat it while in the original she lost her body, section 9 still found her soul in her brain witch is a mesasge : etheric souls are real, god made itthis anime is subversion of that : we made our souls,the anime even metion :bahomet and kabalah
>>290800174Come on now, anon. If you're going to be mad at GitS having very flawed metaphysics, that's essentially all of Japanese media. Them Japs simply don't get it.
>>290800174uhohnipple schizo melty(by the way the manga also mentions the qabbalah, retard)
soooo are they going to continue adapting the rest of the manga?imo, it went downhill right after in human error and man machine interface is borderline incomprehensible
>>290719840why is her butt so big
>>290800672It had a teaser for Glitch Witch which JUST started publicationso maybe they'll do that in a couple years, who knows
>>290800701So she can take bigger dumps in her pants, of course.
>>290795823this, but only for dual audio releases
>>290800701So she can sit on the face of mossad kikes and gas them on the spot.
>>290800488Why are you trans?
>>290805356gorilla spread
They could at least adapt 1.5 to give the manga section 9 team more focus Saito/Paz literally do nothing, Boma saves the major but ironically that role is more given to Batou
ending sucked I wanted more section 9 super glowie adventures :(
>>290805424Literally what do they do
>>290769974>>290770156Actually, we're closer than you might think. We already have technology to keep brains temporarily alive outside the body. One even learned how to play the piano using a robotic hand!https://youtu.be/fjj5ffchfW8
>>290805445The pacing feels so schizophrenic. I feel like the show just started then suddenly Major fuses with some god thing, the end.
>>290733225Aren't these these the things that represent her AI agents in Man Machine Interface?
>>290805718yeah the pacing has been terrible since the start. the art is good (much better than most stuff nowadays), same with the animation, but the pacing is terrible
>>290805489From left to right >Russian ex army deals with bombs and cyber security, helps Ishikawa. >Seamonkey/Jap ex army sniper>ex Yakuza - used for his underground information channels. Goes undercover, good with the knife. Batou is muscle. Ishikawa is hacker but also have some underground connections. Togusa is a joke buttmonkey of the team to hide the fact section 9 ex criminals and ex army turned into mercs on government pay.
>>290805718>>290805828Unfortunately I really feel like the pacing issues just comes from the source material, Shirow isn't a guy concerned with beginning, middle, end, climax, etc. Watching this actually makes me understand better why they haven't tried a straight adaptation until now.
>we will never get a Science Saru version of SACcan we collectively pretend 2045 never happened and just rewrite it? I can't believe that was Atsuko Tanaka's last version of the Major
>>290800174What 'original' are you talking about?
>>290805718Shirow doesn't really care about things like making sure a plot is relatable to the reader.He likes short stories that focus on a single idea that he's using characters as a vehicle to communicate and the plot exists mostly to justify why the ending happens.
>>290805931maybe. they should have padded it out a little. this is my first proper introduction to GIT (saw the film many years ago but dont remember it much) and I'm finding it hard to care about any of the characters or get invested in the story.there are a lot of elements I like, dont get me wrong, but i feel like it could have all been handled much better
>>290719840Can she brap?
Just finished the animeThat was so awesome. I skimmed some of the threads and it feels good knowing I was able to understand the episode because I'm not sutpid
>>290800174desu a lot of anime is subversive jewish shit unless it's set in a historic japanese setting
>>290806602Feels like a bait and switch. I'm not really into. Things like philosophy and religion have their place in the medium, but throwing your story and characters under the bus to go on a schizophrenic rant is poor form I say.
>>290800174>>290806645>subversive jewish shitNeither of you retards could actually justify your posts.
>>290806740Stop replying to the mentally unwell. Please
>>290719840I wish people would forget about this garbage on focus on the superior take The Matrix
>>290806740>>290806775we're using jewish in the general term. the way something bad and lame is called gay. trickle down judaism if you will, which has indirectly influenced the japanese psyche via subversive judeo-american culture
>>290807028That is less coherent than what I replied to.
>>290805675How many years until I can put myself in Major's beautiful big booty body?
>>290719840Is that a misspelling in the credits or did Hiroyuki Kitakubo really contribute key animation to this final episode?
>>290807577I'd say a decade or so, maybe less if projections about AGI and it's capabilities turn out to come true.
>>290808195Thanks anon, this will give me hope to live
So was the boy that was killed her original birth but heavily modified body, was it just another prosthetic body or is the point that we don’t know?
>>290808406>The body that was killed
>>290808406She's a brain in a gynoid shell, but given that her ghost and her body look basically identical, the body was likely modeled on her original real one. We see a body just like hers being manufactured in that one interlude episode.
>>290808049https://x.com/LawofGreen/status/2097355550015336906He did the part where Motoko's brains are blown out.
>>290775743>How can murder be real if we're not real?
I want that OST that was playing at the start of episode 1 and when Motoko and Aramaki were talking during the break for the trialIt makes me feel like I can do anything!
>>290794549So you retards attacking stand alone complex. You can go kill yourself.
This shit can burn in hell. I already know if this get a second season you retards will attack the manga next.
>>290809172This was a good adaptation. A forced meme like this doesn't work.
>>290809422No it wasn't
great adaptation but the biggest let down was the music, blue from millenium parade is a good song i like it but it doesn't scream GitS like lithium flower does to mewhat does Yoko Kanno even do nowadays i saw she did music for some small (gacha??) game
>>290809484Yeah it should have been more cock rock and cheery J-pop.
>>290809484She did music for a water and light show in Osaka last year
>>290805931I agree. It really was too close of an adaptation, censorship aside. The whole thing was at breakneck speed for 10 episodes, should have given the material a chance to breath
>>290719840because thats her sneaking suitretard
>>290809805>sneaking suitwhy does she need a sneaking suit when her cloaking device solves everything?
>>290809986NTA but I assume the use of optical camo is common knowledge so if they hear sounds of movement but nothing visible in the vicinity they might deduce it's someone using said camo and fire blindly in the direction of the sound.
>>290758542Eeny, meeny, miny, moe, I wonder where my glove will go?
>>290805356pussy facing the world
OST is outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er67GJX9ouA&list=OLAK5uy_nugdesQt91iUNTooWNIQFRIvqohR-gUC0&index=2
>>290811079Hopefully it doesn't take long to get on the usual places. A flac copy of the ED isn't up yet. The OP already lives on my playlist.
>>290805356>Puppetmaster, I'm Section 9
What's the name of the jazzy credits song?
>>290809172>JoJofag's opinion on manga adaptationsDiscarded
>>290813629Oh nevermind found it.https://youtu.be/AwjFxCkTBr8?si=hXvuYfemWa9N67HV
So since /a/spix hate it I'm guessing this show was good
>>290813909No. It got by entirely because of "Rule of Cool". That is to say, it has a cool style (from previous material) and is well animated. Stories, characters, and humor are as bad as any other low-tier anime. Basically: all style, no substance
>>290813909Yeah, pretty much.
>>290814266But you said the exact same thing about the movie last week.
>>290814286Take your pills. Though I do find it funny this show has so little substance others can come to similar conclusions.
last episode sucked
>>290813673Just noticed, Motoko was listening to this when Batou called her during the prologue
>>290809087people attacked SAC? for what purpose?
>>290814753They didn't, it's just ESL Oshiishitters still unable to accept that people don't unquestioningly praise their pseudslop trying to start shit (again)
>>290811079>hacking gigoloNice
>>290814753Oshiitfags hate all GitS except their mid movie
>>290814768>>290815152It's hilarious how they shat on SAC for years and then suddenly are reduced to screeching "SACGODS! SAVE ME!"
>>290817149Appleseed basically had all of that stuff already.
(((Ghorantl)))
>>290817372Kuze was a Ghoranti agent
'luv dogs'ate birdsate fish (and chips) fer dinnersimple as.
>>290805489Don't ask unless you want to find yourself on a hit list
>>290805489aura farm
>>290805489He literally saves Motoko's ass so that's pretty good
I can't help but feel like GitS 1995 is basically this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZfu0xlXwm0 Batou is the rabbit Motoko is the baby The Puppetmaster is the cookie jar
>>290805489I really enjoyed the Paz and Saito episodes in SAC but I really don't get Borma's existence in either medium.
>>290819467>>290818734
>>290820074literally anyone else could have been written to save her.
>>290820464anyone could have been written to do anythingBouma did what he did, so there you go.
>>290820464Him being a spare Batou may not be a very narratively satisfying role, but it fits into the manga's overall theme of adaptability in the face of unforeseen circumstances.What happens when Batou is stuck trying to remove a bomb from his car? It's ok, S9 have Batou at home. You know like having two kidneys and two lungs instead of just one.
They pussied out again. I guess I'm also a little disappointed with the surreal imagery of the Puppet Master's speech: I don't think it's as avant-garde as Evangelion and Lain were.
>>290821154I wish Motoko would rape me...
>>290719840>How can Motoko sneak around decked out in full latex?It's a cartoon fantasy. >It must squeak like hell, it'd be like walking around with a blow-up doll tucked under your arm.It's a fictional thing.>Imagine her walking around all squeaky and crinkly.Funny thought, but it doesn't happen in this, because it's not real.>No way she wouldn't get detectedIn this, she goes undetected.In reality it wouldn't be like thay, but this is a cartoon fantasy.
>>290821173do you think they sell femdom bots that rape you?
>>290821417what do you think the puma twins are?They're also really dumb though so you can trick them into getting raped without them realizing it
>>290821417The only solace of living in your average robo-dystopia is that you get all your carnal desires catered too
>>290719840https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ3c4IIEazM
>>290822913what a turnoff. I'l just watch episodes 1 through 7 next time.
>Moviethe Major becomes a minor>MangaMotoko becomes otokopoetry
>>290818468based
>finishing SAC season 1>knew about a spoiler I mistook to be in season 2>"sayonara, Batou-san">sobbed for a solid minute the instant I saw its natural-oil tears well upI don't want to watch this show anymore. Fuck this government and fuck this show.
>>290825723Keep going you coward, there are good times ahead
>>290800174She gets the male body in the original manga and the themes of transhumanism and man-machine merging come directly from that. Read some of Shiro's other manga he loved putting various flavors of religious mysticism in a bunch of his stuff. Orion was full of it. Ghost in the Shell 2 even features a government bureau of Psychics and Motoko's weird brain children.
>>290825750They were friends, they were literally just children, they were fellow people, no one asked them to do this...
>>290825998As a GitS enjoyer you ought to know that children ain't worth shit
>>290826059Those ones were different
>>290825998They'll be back
>>290826267I am now morally obligated to keep watching
>>290729176baka!
>>290825926is this implying that the guy took the female body the major was gonna use?
>>290827743No, Pete Burns didn't, one of his PALS tried to do that. Batou killed em both and took Pete's body.
so what was the major's plan if Israel didn't kill her original body via a headshot and they discovered her brain wasn't in there?
>>290827851Improvise, obviously. It's what she usually does, and what makes her a good match for 2501: she's adaptable.No plan ever survives contact with the field after all. For example she didn't expect her spare body to be all moldy.
>>290821154What's the Japanese? Feels to me like it could be the same line translated more or less euphemistically.
>>290805356https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bmcwEK4a1A
>>290828599Did you know that gorillas are notoriously flatulent and take big dumps due to the enormous amount of fibers and cellulose they ingest?
>>290719840Am I living in a simulation or something because I just got done watching the first episode with my older brother.>>290729176>"unless it's Batou"holy kek
Puma twins if elves:
my only gripe with the ending is not seeing batou massacring all those cyberpunks in the hideout.
>>290828666>Am I living in a simulationpretty good chancei believe it
>>290828666No Satan, it just means your brain is recognizing things that it's more immediately familiar with, instead of skipping over them.
>>290828720well it's suspenseplus it helps inform Motoko's decision: she isn't 100% sure Batou will win, so it can only help her to fuse with a ghost who can float around. That way, if she runs out of oxygen and dies, she won't evaporate right away.I mean that's probably not her main reasoning but I bet it plays into it.
>>290828736No that's not what Descartes believed. He had to come up with a monumental asspull in order to justify it, but he didn't believe we were in a simulation because that'd be gnostic heresy, you see?
>>290828666It was been one of the most watched anime for a month now and /a/ has threads about it constantlyYou must have not been on here
>>290828806I know that. Just that it supports the hypothesis of being in a simulation, ie the only thing you know for sure is that you exist.
>>290828870Anon, your faith in kami-sama?
>>290828894I'm agnosticI don't really think too deeply about that type of stuff.
>>290719840Enough of your stupid questions. The OST is out.
>>290828926>I don't really thinkSo you aren't
>>290828947oh fuckis it out anywhere physically? because i don't want to have to spend hundreds on ebay just to get a fucked up jewel case like with cafe de touhou.
>>290829162https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/TV%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%E3%80%8E%E6%94%BB%E6%AE%BB%E6%A9%9F%E5%8B%95%E9%9A%8A-GHOST-SHELL%E3%80%8F-S-T-2CD/dp/B0H7HGHDBCLol Nope.Japan only.
>>290829233fuck this gay lifewhat did i do in a previous life to deserve to be born in trumpland
>>290829162This just in: the other anon is retarded. You can literally buy it from an importer (specifically, CDJapan).
>>290727474
>>290829162>>290829344Also just want to say that you have great taste to have tried to pick up a good, intact physical copy of Cafe de Touhou, friend
So, how would you guys rate this adaptation?
>>290829517alright/10
>>2908295178/10, both in terms of fidelity and inherent quality.
>>290829517I'd say it was a perfect adaptation manga. The only real issue is that the manga just isn't the best version of GiTS
>>290818791wtf I just watched who framed roger rabbit yesterday
>>290829840It is the best version of GitS, but it's only maybe the third or fourth best Shirow manga
>>290719840god DAYUM now that's what I call a juicy BUNDA yummy
>>290825723I felt similarly when I got to that but keep watching, you'll love season 2
>>290825723this might be favorite anime scene of all time, the ending to s2 being a close second
>movie and manga had the Puppet Master>both the manga and SAC have Motoko faking her own death (presumably??) except SAC continues in season 2>movie's by Oshii and manga's by ShirowSo is SAC and especially season 2 mostly Kamiyama?>>290829932When I saw that the last like, seven episodes were all Complex ones I was completely hooked on seeing the story come to a close, but I feel a strong reluctance to just jump into the season finaleI'll watch it with dinner right now though>>290830049That part was really great as well. Honestly, when it was the second-last episode and not the last one that had a director's commentary, I should have known I was in for some shit.It's not even that it was doing the human equivalent of tearing up, which was already established. It's not even that it was leaking natural oil, very briefly and subtly showing us the tachikoma's individuality. It's not even that just the sheer fact of them (or how many remain of them...) still got here completely of their own accord and were individuals, coworkers, and friends from any sane metric from any human being with a beating heart.>literally just re-tearing up thinking about wording the next bit and remembering that one lineIt's because when I saw that, I knew for a fact taht we were going to say good bye.M-man ;_;>it just went straight into the vault of scenes that make you tear up instantly upon recollection
Also>>290830308>there were also 26 fun tachikoma shorts that I missed, of them faffing about and presumably giving commentary on each episodeI'm glad those buddies still brought some cheer and mirth to this otherwise relatively-serious show, their child-like innocence and curiosity was refreshing
>>290719840I bet Shirow drew a whole stash of porn of Motoko getting blacked
>>290783689I think he just likes the look of it. >>290794284I've had a strange fascination with whatever the hell his Lupin movie would have been. Apparently, bits and pieces of it were re-used in most of his following works, including Patlabor, Angel's Egg, GitS, and even the episode of Part VI he helped write. But never all at once. Would it have followed the pattern? Would it have worked?
>>290830673I think it would have. There's more than enough material in Lupin for Oshii to apply his formula to it. This fucker for example strikes me as a typical Oshii antagonist, even though there's no relation.
>>290829451Huh, you're back.
>>290828947https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aLkGe1FuSQThis was the song that was featured in the earliest teaser trailers from two years ago, but it never appeared in the anime itself. I think it would have made a better OP theme than the one we actually got.
>>290831120not a high bar to clear
>>290829885what's the best?
>>290832116In my informed opinion, Dominion Conflict
>>290829932>>290830049The finale was alright, although the prior episode is hard to top.Twenty six fucking Tachikoma specials await!
this show just made me appreciate the movie even more its like they turned stone to gold
here's your wife bro
>>290832650We told you several times that we know you've never watched either.
>>290832657Sex
>>290719840Nanomachines son.
>>290832657Wrong, this is my wife:
>>290829517as someone who rates the manga as 6/10, they elevated the material to 8/10, the adaptation is for the old time fans, i know alot of people have struggle with shirow's storytelling but im just too used to it.>Pacing was badis not a show to watch on weekly, ive noticed the first weeks, this GITS have the same as reading the Full volume, i mean, watch the whole show in one day, try it again and your second visionate will be better, trust me.
>>290832657Puppetmaster...>>290832734Motoko...
>>290832657>>290832734but where do I stick my dick
>>290833354you just cum on her head, dummy.
>>290833354you cum on the big round spot that looks like the deathstar's dish>>290832734
operator chans are big
>>290833805I have never seen that nigga in between eyepatch bro and Fuchi before in my life
>>290833828Why are you so mean, but also yeah that's a part of his job
>>290833805Now that the show is overWhat was the point of anyone other than Motoko, Batou, Aramaki or Fuchikoma?It even looked like Togusa was going to have a point and then they forgot to give him one
>>290833882They are redundant and that's the point. The horny floating cancer cell gave a whole speech about the importance of redundancy in the final episode.
>>290833882he was THERE that is what matters.
>>290833882>>290834283>>290834313They were doing other helpful things in the background, you don't have to be so mean to our friends
>>290822913She should fuck one of her girlfriends as a man at least once.
>>290828870>the only thing you know for sure is that you exist.Descartes was wrong about this. I Think Therefore I Am, is incorrect.What you actually know is that something is thing. Something Thinks Therefore It Exists. That thing isn't necessarily you. A good author or other creative person can create a character with independent thoughts in their mind. For the stint of that fantasy, that character thinks, but isn't. All you can know is that something is thinking, not that you are thinking.
>>290829517Great animation and very stylish. Basically beyond reproach in that way. Science Saru has a really talented animation and direction staff. The changes to the country names were unacceptable.
>>290832116I'd agree with the other guy. Dominion Conflict 1 is probably the best 1 volume of sci-fi comic ever written. The GITS manga are the best version of the setting, but Shirow really peaked with his two Dominion one-shots.
>>290834621NTA and I get what you're saying, that one's assuming notions about what the self is and that something that can be called a self exists, but as a counterpoint you could say>something itself is thinking and is experiencing self-awareness>and for convention's sake we may call this a self, and because the thought seems to be experienced, we can call this self "I"but I do agree that the cogito's not a perfect argument because of pretty much the holes you listed>All you can know is that something is thinking, not that you are thinking.I think there was a stronger way that you could have worded this because right now it looks stupid in isolation if you glance at it, but I get that it's late at night, and I'm sorry if I sounded unclear and silly as well
>>290833882They're just dudes that are duding out. It could be worse. Appleseed had a lot of those types of dickheads floating around and eventually Shirow grew to like them more than he liked his two MCs.
>>290834689Yeah, I'm exhausted before bed and my phrasing is basically shot to shit. Its mostly that just because you perceive yourself as an independent consciousness, doesn't mean that you really are. A character in a novel or dream can have a totally different complex psychology from the writer and exist within the writer's mind as an independent agent. But they wouldn't exist. If we want to take on Descartes's Demon, then you could just be a daydream of said Demon in the end. Just having an independent mind doesn't mean you exist. It means that something exists, but not you.
>>290834759>Its mostly that just because you perceive yourself as an independent consciousness, doesn't mean that you really are.But then what's the alternative, if any? Or is the burden of proof on the side that uh, the side that asserts that something meaningful - whether tangible or concrete - such as the self exists? This very intuitive thing that remains philosophically or religiously controversial (very mildly) to this day?Fuck>A character in a novel or dream can have a totally different complex psychology from the writer and exist within the writer's mind as an independent agentI swear there was some book about this. A tiny comfy visual novel for the telephone gives different book recommendations and this was one of them.>Just having an independent mind doesn't mean you exist. It means that something exists, but not you.>this non-self pseudo-self is something probably shared in common with all human experience>if a true self exists and none of us are true selves, we'd have no conception of the true thing, so it's like deep-sea fish trying to conceptualize what outer space is let alone air and the skyEthics was more so my jam than epistemology or metaphysics but I wish I could remember more of philosophy of mind. I remember respecting Descartes aside from that horrible shit about animals.
>>290834865You don't need a proof of existence, just ride the wave my nigga. If you're just a daydream, then at least you know that there's no Hell at the end for all your sins and mistakes. Actually this isn't me shilling a form of positive nihilism, really, lol.I'm mainly just messing around to point out how trying rationalize your own existence from first principles will never work because any thought experiment you can think up, you can also imagine a character performing. It's a dead end in terms of finding objective proof of self. You can imagine a character confidently saying "I think therefore I am". So too can an entity imagine you saying it. Introspection and thought experiments won't lead you to anything useful regarding proof of your own existence. If there is a true thing that thinks us all up, I don't see much of a point in trying to understand it. Won't do you much good either way. And if you're really just a thought, then similarly to how you can imagine an ant trying to comprehend yourself, it could just imagine you trying to comprehend it and the whole thing would be similarly a charade or pantomime.
>>290828440Nope, in the manga Batou says "Wakai keikan ga reipu shiteru" (A young cop is raping you) and in the anime he says "Wakai keikan ga ranbou shiteru" (A young cop is getting violent).
>>290829517It sits beside the three other greats
>>290833882Anon discovers the concept of a side character
>autism to autism communication
>>290836083breastoko
Well I just finished the showI thought it was pretty good. I enjoyed every episode. Thought it was fun. Loved the art style and the animation. I was able to keep up with the plot mostly despite this being my first gits content I've seen. I think prolly 90% of it I understood without needing to ask anons for clarification. I think the story writing was pretty solid and I liked the puppet master being the central focus towards tbe end. However despite all of that the ending felt a little bit underwhelming. It felt like there weren't any true stakes when she took the hostage because we knew it was all part of her plan with monke, and when she got killed it was very obvious that it was a fake death thing. I liked the whole second half where she was merging with the cutepet master and like that concept and stuff. HOWEVER, I do feel like it was kinda alot of pseudotechnospiritualmumbojumbo and that it's pretty surface level in its asking about existentialism and what it means to be alive and stuff. Even motoko herself just brushed it off and said, "yeah, whatever fag, let's fuck now, ok?" Anyways. The show as a whole was fun, but I can't say that it ever resonated with me emotionally on any real level. Gonna watch SAC and the 95 movie next, but gonna wait maybe a season or so first just to space them out
Favorite episode was the brown hair one where she was almost assassinated. Mostly because of that execution at the end. That was pure kino. Love the spidertank dumb bastards. Every time they were on screen was great. Batou was great, too. I would have liked if they fleshed out the other members of S9 more. I basically know none of their names lol
>>290783689>Dude must be using 3dsmax from 1996 or something else from that eraIts called swag you wouldn't know anything about it
>>290834621>Descartes was wrong about this. I Think Therefore I Am, is incorrect.Actually, the more accurate translation is "I am thinking, therefore I exist">What you actually know is that something is thing. Something Thinks Therefore It Exists. You are aware of your own thinking. At least, I'd hope you are
>>290838695>Descartes postingIt was the peak.
>>290838829Therefore, she thinks!
>>290838695You can imagine Motoko thinking and even thinking about existing, but that doesn't make her real. You can imagine Motoko doing the whole, "I think therefore I exist" bit in response to the Puppet Master or some other character.If that is your metric, then you could just be a recursive thought in the mind of something else in the same way.
>>290838850>You can imagine Motoko thinking and even thinking about existing, but that doesn't make her real. Right. The idea is not that my thinking makes anyone else real. It's that you're thinking PROVES to yourself that you are real. It may be unprovable to anyone else, but Matoko can be certain that Matoko exists >If that is your metric, then you could just be a recursive thoughtYeah, but that would be me. I would still exist. If I'm just a program in a simulation, that is still me. There must exist a thing that is in the simulation. That thing is me
>>290838944It doesn't prove that she exists, it proves that something exists. Because that something may be thinking about her and planting those ideas in her head. Descartes wanted to prove basic existence and autonomy, but you can't get that just from introspection. Because any thought can think itself. You can imagine a person that thinks about another imaginary person that thinks about its own existence. Even going as far as simulation theory is too far to jump ahead in the discussion. Because you could be the thought of something that is itself simulated. A simulated man can think about another imaginary person that thinks about existing. You're stuck on the, "Something is Thinking", starting line. Someone may be being simulated, but it isn't necessarily you. It could be the guy that is imagining your existence right now.
>>290833805Can you name them all?>Aramaki>Op-chan>Motoko>Batou>Togusacan't remember>Saito(?)can't remember>Bomar(?)
So what do I watch now?
>>290839126Fuck, forgot Fuchikoma
>>290839136New Dominion
>>290719840i always come back to this thread hoping for some more massive ass in latex suit only to be dissapointed by every image posted here.
>>290783689>Dude must be using 3dsmax from 1996 or something else from that era.This style was popular in early 00s. I think there was a number of artists who got a George Lucas moment. Nerds who loved to draw vehicles and mechanisms suddenly could easily make a textured 3D render of it (with gigahertz CPUs and gigabytes of RAM you didn't need a SGI rendering station for this stuff).
>>290838695>You are aware of your own thinkingI'm too lazy for this shit. Awareness requires way too much glucose and nicotine to keep it going.
>>290833805I had expected that the manga would have defined roles for Paz and Bouma and that it was SAC that had forgotten about them.
>>290809478Quite literally the most accurate adaption
>>290839126IshikawaPazu
>>290839587Pazu had that fun knife fight episode in second gig with the woman who'd had an exact duplicate of his body made
>>290839043>It doesn't prove that she exists, it proves that something exists. It proves it to Matoko, the thinker. We can not be certain that she exists, but she can be certain that she exists > You can imagine a person that thinks about another imaginary person that thinks about its own existence.> A simulated man can think about another imaginary person that thinks about existing.> Someone may be being simulated, but it isn't necessarily you. It could be the guy that is imagining your existence right now.None of this changes that there must be a you that is doing the thinking and which the simulating forces are acting upon. You can try to make it more complicated by changing how many orders deep the thinking is, but it doesn’t change that there is always a you that is thinking
>>290839894I like to think the fakePaz earned the right replace Paz by beating him in a fight and Motoko is respecting that wish. Did SAC ever confirm the original Paz won?
>>290839993I don't think they actually did
>>290762771Basically a postmodern habeas corpus challenge. I dare the prosecution to prove that this obvious setup, actually harmed someone who was a real person and not a hologram, robot, clone, or brainwashed slave.
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>>290841323>when you become the king of eurobeat without even tryinglucky girl
>>290841122>>290762771She was also trying to sound retarded on purpose so they'd buy her fake hostage situationnot that she was completely insincere, but the point is she wasn't trying to defend herself and wasn't being mind-controlled
>>290839902I disagree with that.More or less the loop goes, "I have reason to doubt my perception of reality. The only thing I can be sure of is that I am thinking because otherwise how could I be doing this thought experiment in the first place?". Any thoughts or perceptions past that point can be doubted, but the fundamental bedrock of "my ability to think proves that I am real and have mental agency" is more or less inalienable. The issue is that the ability to think is not necessarily your own. Not just your eyes and ears can decieve you, but the concept that your ability to think exists independently is a deception.A sufficiently skilled creative artist or schizophrenic can create fully fledged introspective individuals that exist purely in their minds and are not real.If we consider the chance that you are just a daydream of some entity (as likely as anything else in the Cartesian viewpoint) then the mere ability to be introspective and think is not proof of selfhood or existence because you have no way of demonstrating independence from the imagination of another entity.Those imagined persons can have deep and meaningful inner worlds and can be imagined going through the "I think, therefore I am", loop with all the richness of a real human. They would have no way to distinguish themselves or their ability to think from the creative or mentally ill person imagining them.
>>290841122Hooray hooray for p-zombies!
>>290842447enjoy Innocence!
Bump!
>>290835018>You don't need a proof of existence, just ride the wave my nigga.But I like thinkin>If you're just a daydream, then at least you know that there's no Hell at the end for all your sins and mistakes. tfw faithchad>trying rationalize your own existence from first principles will never work because any thought experiment you can think up, you can also imagine a character performing. It's a dead end in terms of finding objective proof of selfYeah, ok, that's a clear and succinct way of putting it, I'd have to agree.>If there is a true thing that thinks us all up, I don't see much of a point in trying to understand it. Won't do you much good either way. No yeah, that's precisely why I focused on ethics rather than the other stuff I couldn't do anything about. Yeah, if there's a chance that all our thoughts on self-understanding in this aspect will end up just being fake dogshit, then focus on something else? The humble trolley problem? Or even just anime?I find it endearingly jarring that Motoko does not really give a shit about most of these sorts of questions on a day to day basis though.>>290838695I was tempted to post this, it's one of my favourites->it's a variantSugoi
>>290783689It's not meant to be realistic, it's a dreamy style that was common in the early 00s
>>290794549it's because 2045 had garbage writing and weirdly anti-human themes so SAC has a bitter aftertaste now
>>290829344>CDJapanthanks niggai never even heard of that websiteshipping is a little more pricey than i expected but i just locked in my order a minute ago along with the blu ray.
>>290836083>>autism to autism communicationclose enoughwelcome back lain and alice
Bump limit!
>>290807028so it's admitting that it's a thought terminating buzzword for when something makes you mad and you are not able to make a logically sound argument as to why its bad
>>290841323
why did i watch dat shitliterally troon in the shell
>>290847055Women suck so muchIf i was a woman i would try to become a man as well
>>290839136More Saru kino like Devilman Crybaby and Dandadan
