accidentally writing such a based character you end up destroying your story with every failed attempt to prove him wrong
>>290768751All too common
>>290768751more based than eren?
villains are more interesting to write then heroesZeke got Armonged though
>>290768802eren is the least based character in the story, closely followed by the cuck floch
>>290768751Isayama was obsessed with wanking Armin of course the story needed to suffer for it
>>290768751Writing stories is playing God, and a God will be challenged by his creations
>>290768751Terminating your own species is based?
>>290768751would have been more based if he was full antinatalist and pro extinction.nothing is gained by life, and avoiding suffering is the highest moral goal.
>>290769217when "your own species" is objectively an inhuman monster abomination, yes, it's your responsibility to end it
>>290769252>avoiding suffering is the highest moral goal.Coward
>>290769278stop being anti-semitic.
>>290768751Zeke wasn't really one, but I wonder how many people became antinatalists because of him.
>>290769278Why.Humans are "in-ant monster abominations" to ants but you wouldn't argue we have to die so they can keep thriving, for the good of "antanity".If you claim they're not human, then any appeal to humanity and human morality is off the table.
>>290768751Sacrificing your race for a world that has and always will hate you is retarded. Zeke is retarded. Marley is retarded for wacking a hornets nest and expecting anything good out of it. Eren is a cuck a faggot for not finishing the war. Everyone in AOT besides Floch is a retard.
Holy based
Perfectnnie
>>290768751but Isayama wasnt trying to prove him wrong you midwit
>>290771739GODholt impregnated THIS?!?!?!
>>290768751Accidentally writing a sadist character who turns into a pacifist pussy for no reason
>>290768751How the fuck was he based? His whole plan was literally “sterilize our race so everyone stops trying to kill us”, which was beyond fucking retarded and impossible in reality. Everyone in the show besides Floch is a fucking dumbass, and even then the Jaegerist solution was legitimately just a temporary solution. In a few hundred years the Eldians would’ve started killing each other for all the usual reasons.
>>290772095Hang yourself.
>watch snk with friend again, because he never watched it and wanted to do so.>remember why I loved the show so much, bit also constantly get reminded why I hate the ending so much.Just 5 more years....
>>290769252You should start then
>>290768751How is zeke based>groomed>sold his parents to death>got assblasted twice by levi>incredible cuck philosophy>died jerking off armin
>>290774593i only fuck your mom using a condom, there really isnt much else to it.
Precision engineered for smooches
>>290772095Hi!
who the fuck names a country Marley? That’s a fuckin dogs name.
>>290774603Also spent his whole time pre-timeskip slaughtering eldian soldiers on the island in extremely brutal fashion just for the lulz. Like what exactly was the purpose of slowly tearing that guy limb from limb?
>>29076880210 years atleast eren?
>>290775697Apparently they had that name for 2000 years when IRL no people have used the same name for that long.
>>290773649>>290775811You really can't convince me Isamaya didn't do a 180 post-TS.
>>290778239Zeke's whole "You're not your father" thing is good imo, but it's definitely at odds with some of the earlier writing. Like when Zeke was surprised Miche could speak English
If you live, it is your responsibility to fight for it. Zeke was a coward who gave up, thinking he would reach some moral high ground by sacrificing not only his life, but the life of his people. He was a traitor.
>>290778435It is known.
>>290778432He was probably surprised they weren't like "oonga boonga" after decades of isolation.
>>290778698With Marley doing frequent delivers of people to the shores of the island, I find it hard to believe they never did any type of investigation into the peoples that lived there.
>Be Zeke>I'm surprised you can speak English>Also Marley>Let's send these kids to that island with no knowledge of the language they speak
>>290778432>>290778698He wasn't actually surprised that miche could speak.He was speaking to Miche in his titan form and miche was obviously stunned, because a fucking titan was talking to him.He even says that he is quite sure they spoke the same language.Then when Zeke ordered the pure titans to kill him Miche started screaming and begging for his life and then zeke made a cheeky asshole remark about how he could talk afterall
>>290769278>inhuman monster abominationSo? Why would a non-human care about not being human? If there's a being stronger than humans on the planet, that being should be in charge.
>>290779264Oh, okay, I must have been reading a poor translation because he was definitely surprised they spoke the same language in what I Read.
>>290768751monke would have been cooler if he was an actual titan, and not zeke's bio-mech
>>290778124Seriously? I don’t get it, if they’re supposed to be the successors to legally distinct Rome why the fuck don’t they have a Latin name? Or a fucking German one since they were ruled over by the Eldians for so long.
>>290779417Yeah I double checked and one of the first thing he says is that they are supposed to speak the same language.
>>290768751>>290769252>would have been more based if he was full antinatalist and pro extinction.It's been years, so I don't remember super exactly, but he was, wasn't he?I thought he wanted both the Rumbling for other races AND the peaceful extinction of Eldians.He views all life inherently as pointless and a net negative because it ultimately ends in death.
>>290779630In general, I hate how the titan forms feel more like mech suits/bio-gundam rather than part of their actual body.
>>290779813Neat, thanks for sharing anon
>>290779891Agreed; It's a weird curse of Japan, where any kind of fictional giant will eventually just become a mech. Becoming a titan should have been a very costly thing where your human body is physically converted as fuel to spawn the titan's body, and then it's equally intensive to re-convert back to a human body inside. Instead you just just spawn a titan, eject and do it again. Post-TS was such slop, and you could tell the author was over the entire titan gimmick
>>290779891It started getting stupid when the number of shifters increased and the titan forms had distinct "identites" separate from the holders. That made them seem like mech suits. Prior to that it was just RBA and Eren and their titan forms were based on the holders own physical characteristics (like annie's was "female" because she was the only girl and it mimicked her fighting style). And it seemed at that time like eating a shifter would just confer the shifter power which would generate your own unique titan but instead ended up as a set number of special shifter titans and some bullshit had to be done to make that all fit, like with the jaw titan.
So, why the fuck did Eren turn into a colossal titan at the end? I thought that the founding titan was supposed to have a fixed form, also, how the fuck did he still even HAVE titan powers after the giant worm came out and started sperging out? That entire sequence confused me.
>>290780103>It's a weird curse of Japan, where any kind of fictional giant will eventually just become a mech.Are there more examples you can think of?
>>290780163Eren went schizo with having access to the Future, and lost the plot.>if i kill enough people, they'll stop hating eachother and worry about the important thing>i can become the world villain people rally behind killing>the eldians can "redeem" themselves to the world by killing me (the titans) and become heroes something something, even by the end, the author lampshaded his Idiot Plot, by having eren call himself stupid.
SnK died with Erwin.
>>290780309>i can become the world villain people rally behind killing>the eldians can "redeem" themselves to the world by killing me (the titans) and become heroesHe only ever presented himself as a villain to people outside the island though and told the islanders he was their savior to the point of creating a whole cult of followers. So basically the "redemption" is Armin going>"Hey I killed the big bad guy who threatened to kill everyone not on my island, after he finished killing 80% of them while leaving the island totally untouched. Let's make a peace deal!"
>>290780163Also, where did the fucking worm go.
>>290780430Isayama forgot
>>290780430It died because it was a parasite that lost its host
>>290781229Sauce?
>>290780422>So basically the "redemption" is Armin going>>"Hey I killed the big bad guy who threatened to kill everyone not on my island, after he finished killing 80% of them while leaving the island totally untouched. Let's make a peace deal!"Aka zero IQ requiem.
>>290780163It's clear that isayama had no idea how to wrap this shit up so QUICK Erens gets BTFO and Armin and his friends become heroes, Guardians of the Galaxy ending But wait! Extra pages Paradis was nuked btw! You had your grimdark ending.Legitimate retarded author
>>290781926It was such an easy layup though.Either make Eren a fullblown villain that needs to be put down or make him a true byronic hero that genocides the outside world and his friends.Hell if you think the latter endorses genocide too much you could even keep in paradis getting nuked to showcase that even if you murder everyother group people will still fight amongst eachother.I think it's extremely funny that isayama shat on his own ending in the first arc of snk.
>>290780349With Ymir
>>290768751>actually MY race should be the one that should be killed off instead of everyone elsecuck mentality, Zeke was never based
>>290768751Great character, hardly based. But then again, in the end who was based? None
>>290783047>in the end who was based?falco?
>>290783047>in the end who was based?Zachary
>>290771108You gotta be a real fucking loser to call antinatalists antinatalists instead of just braindead cuck incels.
>>290780152>ended up as a set number of special shifter titans and some bullshit had to be done to make that all fit, like with the jaw titan.Explain, i only remember Ymir's appearance, being identical to shifter and irrational, what are the other examples?
>>290768751Facts.
>>290780194Neon Genesis Evangelion.
>>290768751>tfw your empire is the coolest part of the entire series but your author dropped the ball by barely showing any of it >everyone hates it, from people who thought the rumbling was justified vs people who thought it wasn't
Eren is still a cuck.
>>290769278>>290779315Pragmatically speaking Zeke was right that it was not a good idea to have titan powers around and sterilizing the eldians was the most humane way to finish this
>>290789484Was there really no scenario where Eldians and the rest of the world could coexist? IRL nations try to find some middle ground.
>>290789608Hizuru wanted to do a partial rumbling against Marley's military infastructure and to deter anyone from attacking Paradis
>>290789608I don't know if there was one but speaking on practical terms, Eldians have superpowers and one of them every few decades can rumble the world into dust if they feel like it. Would you like to live knowing that?
>>290789966I mean what the fuck can they do against that display of power
>>290790112Well you can do the Zeke thing and remove superpowers, forcibly so. But it makes some anons angry.
>>290769252>nothing is gained by lifenothing is gained by death either>avoiding sufferinghedonism is both avoiding suffering and embracing feel goodthe highest moral good of eastern religions is not avoiding suffering per se, it is liberation from a unsatisfying cycle, think of it like quenching a thirst, you don't seek to stop the need to drink because you hate drinking, you do it because it is a endless cycle and no amount of water will remove thirst completelyyou are seeking permanent solutions, if you just seek to "avoid suffering" you can do that by being a junkie who can afford his supply / has endless access to it
>>290790199And leave them vulnerable and open to be killed
>>290790260I meant his sterilization idea. I'm not sure he set up circumstances where that could have been realistically achieved (would the rest of the world be fine with just letting Eldians live and die in peace?) but as an ideal it seems reasonable to me
>>290780194Susanoo in Naruto maybe
>>290789608The way it's written? No.But in-universe, marley is the nation that's currently using eldian powers militarily, creating thousands of titans, and invading other countries, while the islanders have been memory wiped and doing jack shit for a century. It makes zero sense that other countries would join an alliance to help marley get the founding titan, it's like if the rest of europe decided to help nazi germany get a nuclear bomb.
>>290768751lmao
AoT will go down as a steaming pile of shit
>>290768751the problem is that Zeke should have exited the story WAY sooner, pic related had the same problem, he should not have been made that big a deal, but suddenly he's the final fucking boss and a lame one.
>>290779315Because the average Eldian wasn't "stronger". A select few had Titan powers while the rest could only be turned into mindless giants and controlled by the whims of whoever holds the power. Literally, the average Eldian was just a meat puppet to be used in war. No, they did not deserve to inherit the Earth.
>>290779880No, he wanted Eldians to die off peacefully because the world would be better of without them and the eldians would not have to suffer in a world that does not want them other than as weapons at best.The definition of a cvkc prepping a bvll basically
>>290789966We have nukes IRL and we sleep peacefully.
>>290795824Male prototype.
>>290798811Nukes aren't a one man process and even then we don't sleep ALL that peacefully, we just barely made it through a few worst case scenarios
>>290769026Flock is based as well, he was not a traitor and died fighting for his people
>>290769026he was based until the cringevengers
>>290773655Antinatalism is the only mature view.
