>>290834631
MT is the series that popularized all the major isekai tropes the generic isekaislop all use. Re:Zero is more unique.

>>290834795
>>Re:Zero is more unique.
>Timeloop respawn game mechanic is unique

>>290834631
>where does all this "grandfather of Isekai" pedestal bullshit for mushoku tensei even fucking come from???

Its because it held the #1 spot in Narou for a while, and narou authors says reading MT that's on the top of Narou inspired them to write their own stories and publish them on Narou.
The time when MT was #1 in Narou is the so-called Golden Age of Narou by many, and so, it made its way into the zeitgeist.

>>290834631
zero no tsukaima created modern isekai

>>290834631
>where does all this "grandfather of Isekai" pedestal bullshit for mushoku tensei even fucking come from
your first mistake is listening to shitposters

>>290834944
Its SAO, actually.
That's why there's a lot of literally me OP protagonists in isekai, but femdom-dog MCs like Saito that gets whipped by their heroine is nowhere to be found.

>>290834631
>grandfather of Isekai"
nobody says that

>>290834984
No, it's ZnT. The literally me OP protagonists come from writers making Saito less of a masochistic pussy in the ZnT fanfiction on Narou before it switched to original works only.

File: 1626898583717.png (158 KB, 448x406)

158 KB PNG

>>290834889
This. Re:Zero came out closely before and Konosuba almost the same time, but they didn't have what it takes to be #1, so MT became the grandfather of isekai. Simple as.

>>290834631
Who knows, really it was a friendship of isekai since a lot of the big popular isekai writers were in a writing group together and still hang out irl.

>>290834631
setting aside comments, zero is teni, and mushoku is obviously tensei
at least for that there's a difference
also supposedly zero author is a mushoku fan

>>290835026
MCs like Kirito is still popping out today in isekai, that's how strong Kirito left his mark. Even that Isekai Cheat Slayer manga parodied Kirito as the leader of isekai characters, but Saito is not even relevant at all.

>>290834795
no it didn't, that shit was already so overdone there were a thousand copy-paste examples and a hundred parodies and deconstructions
children like you can't imagine how oversaturated iseaki already was at that point because of the exponential bloat since

>>290834631
it's in the title, MT provided massive influence for all "Tensei" series

File: Tappei MT.jpg (419 KB, 2333x1288)

419 KB JPG

>>290834631
>>290835072
>also supposedly zero author is a mushoku fan

>>290835134
>>290835033
dumb

>>290835139
Theyre good friends. Iirc Rifujin still goes to Tappei's Emilia birthday party every year.

>>290835048
wow no wonder they all suck

Just from using the anime airing time you know is bait. With that said.
I think it started with ZnT. It wasn't the first summoned to another world, but it was the most popular at that time. It still has the battle school harem elements from that time.
Many people were pissed about Saitou being a pussy so they started to write fanfics.
Those fanfics inspired fantasy worlds and MT was the best at that time, it alsonmade a full reincarnation instead of summoning.
Next gen was SAO which used the skills and stat screens.
After that was ReZero and Konosuba, mixing fantasy and statscreen, one for serious and the other for comedies.

>>290835211
those are the wn release dates

don't forget dragon quest spam

>>290835243
Shit, I thought both of them were older.
Googling shows me that SAO was the first one among them.

>>290835173
Tensei means reincarnation. As in being actually reincarnated in another world from the start all over. Re:Zero is not reincarnation, the MC just got transported. In isekai, there's the transported-type and reincarnated-type.

>>290835282
Playing a videogame and then playing a different videogame is not being transported into another world.
It fits better with the other video game series like .hack, Bofuri, and Shangrila Frontier.

what if the isekai land is just earth in the future, is it time travel or isekai?

File: 9780520036215-571208869 (1).jpg (820 KB, 1740x2560)

820 KB JPG

>>290834631
A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court is almost certainly older than anything mentioned in this thread.
Mark Twain invented isekai.

>>290835370
Has to be futuristic enough that nothing of the modern world is really left, a number of isekai have it as a twist.

>Re:Zero
>Original run April 20, 2012
I wonder what it looked like befor ethe LN and Anime?

>>290834631
It all comes from retarded secondaries and nuweebs that don't know Zero no Tsukaima and the troves of fanfiction written about it was the true progenitor of the modern isekai

>>290834848
Subaru is a loser, a genuine actual loser forced to legitimately face his worst attributes and reflect on them. He is constantly shown to be a loser through loop after loop, unlike pretty much every other isekai where the audience is often just explicitly told the protagonist 'was a loser' but then just magically gets everything handed to them and solves every problem because the universe is hand crafted to be dumber than the protagonist, it's a classic case where the main character can never be smarter than the author... Which tracks because almost all isekai are written by either hacks or teenagers who going to become hacks.

File: 1782947308734478.jpg (17 KB, 278x278)

17 KB JPG

>>290834631
A lot of people in the West don't understand the actual timeline of events when it comes to isekai. Here's how it actually was
>20th century - pre-isekai
These were your Dunbines, Escaflownes, Rayearths, etc. They were, for all intents and purposes, isekai stories. The word itself probably started being used in this way thanks to Isekai no Yuushi, a fairly popular novel from 1981. However, they still didn't have a lot of the more gamey tropes we see in modern isekai.
>2000s - Zero no Tsukaima, and the rise of Narou
This is the actual starting point for isekai. Zero no Tsukaima set the ground rules for isekai tone and theming. It was also massively, MASSIVELY popular. Narou, on the other hand, was a fanfiction website that gained popularity around the same time. The website was flooded with Zero no Tsukaima fanfiction. Everyone wanted to have their own take on Zeroma's story, and especially the protagonist. The writers were also huge nerds, so they started putting video game logic into their isekai (especially DQ), because that was their main reference for fantasy. It's where we start seeing all the familiar names - Tappei Nagatsuki, for example, started as a fanfiction writer for Zeroma before he decided to write Re:Zero.
>2010s - the golden age
This is when all the important modern titles start to come up. Re:Zero, Mushoku Tensei, Konosuba, Tensura, Overlord etc. All of them started in 2010-2013, written by people already swimming in the seas of post-Zeroma isekai. It's very obvious if you actually read/watch them - Re:Zero begins with Subaru making fun of the "usual" isekai tropes *(already set in stone by then), and Konosuba lampoons the genre even more. This is also when SAO actually starts being a thing - it existed as a self-published novel since 2004, but the LN only started in 2009.
And of course, all of these titles got massively popular anime adaptations, especially SAO, which was the first to go mainstream in the West.

>>290835370
what if it's just a dream the protag had of earth millions of years in the future after the sun has died but it's an extremely long dream and he lives out the life of one of the last humans on a dark planet

>>290835385
I know an isekai that's two or three hundred years older than that one but I'm jot going to share it because it's too good for plebs who won't appreciate it

>>290835320
stfu you're not smart

>>290835656
Finally someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about
It's bizarre how poorly-understood this genre history is in english sources

>>290835719
I didn't say I am. I was just laying out the facts, autist-kun.

>random shitflinging and calling things "bullshit"
>meanwhile moonlanders don't do it when having a broad view of series
it honestly seems like a waste trying to tell other baka gaijin things sometimes, especially with how much worse the board has gotten over the years

>>290835726
I'm constantly horrified by how much people fail to either intuit or learn about the things they claim to be interested in and speak so confidently about.

I always thought it was so obvious if you just look at the genre trends and terminology used, like >>290835656 said
>Re:Zero begins with Subaru making fun of the "usual" isekai tropes *(already set in stone by then)
But I guess if you don't understand the usual production flow of WN > LN > Manga > Anime then you might not understand the chronology of events.
Christ it's only going to get worse as time goes on, isn't it?

>>290835632
>solves every problem along with handcrafting
You mean like looping to kill several 400 year old monsters that wiped out many armies over that time? As a single example, setting aside how he keeps getting various abilities where each essentially allowed controlling of armies.

File: knights_and_magic.jpg (309 KB, 640x960)

309 KB JPG

>>290834631
>2010
Checkmate, losers.

a familial label means offspring

In general the nips think of SAO as the godfather of narou-kei, though they're quite aware it wasn't actually published on narou.
2002.

Mushoku's author was a college grad before attempting regular/print writing or something, then he tried making a net series.

>>290836378
Meanwhile, Tappei was a butcher. Funny enough, iirc it was mentioned in an interview somewhere that Tappei was more confident at the start about getting his story a book and anime deal.

i had a random thought about what would happen if you put some authors on a deserted island or something
and i honestly thought rezero's author could murder someone due to his background

>plays game(s)
>gets obsessed with seeing characters fail and get bad endings
>becomes a butcher

>also had like a year to choose an artist, chooses one with over a decade history of loli porn, and adds several loli characters to the series(some not animated yet)

Was Todd right about Subaru? His writer is kind of scary.

>>290836515
Some of those games are tied to loli as well.

>>290836515
The artist came to him and asked for the job iirc.

>>290836515
The butcher and the loli seem seperate desu. Only male characters die ryona style deaths, female characters are most of the time either offscreened or given dignified no crying out in pain deaths, exception being Anastasia in one loop and Meili, technically, since the narration was spoken by Subaru and it was a bit messy.
Guess the guy has multiple hobbies.

please do not choke small girls like meili, rui, and other girls to death

>>290836686
nah he got chosen then after that he made designs
the designs weren't even given to the author directly

>>290836470
But will there be a scorpion to hide the body/bodies?

>>290834631
At this point 99% of the western anime fandom hasn't watched any anime made before 2010 outside of a handful curated by normalfaggots, so they wouldn't know anything about all the isekai that came before it. Shikata ga nai yo ne.

>>290834631
reddit. MT author already stated he got inspired by Re monster and zero no tsukaima and other iseakais

>>290836758
Really, frankly I would figure authors would have more decision power over that sort of thing, it can really change the vibe of a story.

>>290836998
nah i meant the handover as a staff handling sort of thing, of course from there author will get review

>>290834631
it makes more sense why people don't like Rudeus when you know he was written in the 2010s, where perverted main characters, harems, and fan service were arguably at their peak. Before any of the current anime watchers were even born desu

>>290837144
As opposed to Subaru not being written in the 2010s?

>>290837144
I just think there are overly vocal haters. Supposedly more baka gaijin female viewers are watching Mushoku instead of ReZero.

>>290837153
subaru isn't a perverted main character, doesn't have a harem, and is in a series that lacks fanservice.

>>290837177
>doesn't have a harem,
He has all the lolis plus Rem and Emilia, well most of it is headcanon anyway though...

File: __kanzaki_hitomi_van_fane(...).jpg (495 KB, 1066x1380)

495 KB JPG

hmmmmnyes hello actual Grandfather of Isekai coming through.

>>290837144
>2010s
But then you describe the 1990s...

>>290837177
I'd day its rather tepid on all accounts rather than none at all, the artist does push a lot of the work in though.
As for harem, I'd agree. its feels more of an odd triangle/shape situation, though I'm not sure if I could put into words why it feels off. It doesn't have the moments you'd be expecting in a harem show.

>>290837201
tbf. the girls aren't actively competing for his attention like other harems, since they all know the winner has been decided. they just think he's a cool guy

>>290837177
>subaru isn't a perverted main character
But... but that manga page of Barusu imagining the maids getting groped by tentacles or whatever...

>>290837177
people only hate rudy because hes old
if subaru wasnt just a kid he would be hated the same I guarantee it

Just as a comment I guess, Mushoku's artist doesn't even do porn, just does art in general not focusing on a gender or young age.

>>290837280
Word of God is Subaru had this "I'll make them dislike me from the start" self defense phase because he has low self esteem so a lot of shit is probably a part of that, like the obnoxious jokes and nicknames.

>>290837239
the 90s don't compare to the extremes in the 2010s like your DxDs, TLRs, and HOTDs

I hate HotD's designs. And they bizarrely are liked by a bunch of southern third worlders. I'm guessing maybe companies made it available there for cheap and it spread easier.

File: 1759434668177.jpg (200 KB, 850x1185)

200 KB JPG

>>290837304
Not too sure but the artstyles are similiar enough that I've been wondering if pic related was by the MT artist.

>>290837485
That artist doesn't seem to do lewd art either anyway.

>>290837539
Guess so. Looks really similiar though, right?

>>290837485
>>290837601
>all dudes
I'll go with nah, setting aside other things I could say.

>>290837277
True

what if hitogami was EVIL?

>>290834795
SAO popularized everything about isekai
weve been over this many times already

niggas ain't got nothin on mai truckkun

>>290837277
you sound like anime only because he loves 2 girls

What are some series before Mushoku that did a truck death anyway?

>>290834889
>Its because it held the #1 spot in Narou for a while
It wasn't just for a while, it was the undisputed GOAT and has, to this day, held the longest number 1 streak, which I believe is 5 straight years, WITHOUT ANIME, and WITHOUT MILKING IT, since MT ended about 2 years after it started. And the one to dethrone it was Slime, which the author kneels to MT's author.
You better believe that every motherfucker that used that site and was writing during that time had read MT and at bare minimum was inspired by it to write either out of respect our jealousy, which means basically the authors of the vast majority of isekai post or mid MT's run time on the site.

>>290834848
Name 5 anime with a timeloop respawn game mechanic
I'll give you a freebie and allow you to name all you need is kill (not an anime)

>>290838995
>(not an anime)
Code Lyoko (French cartoon from 2003)

>>290834631
No MT started the summoned to another world slop tropes.
Its the peak wish fufillment losers love.
>Be a complete failure in life
>But I saved a cat and got hit by a truck
>Now Im reborn and can be the greatest of all time
Pathetic.

File: 82772827778.jpg (1.18 MB, 1920x1320)

1.18 MB JPG

>>290834631
Mushoku Tensei is just head and shoulders above everything else anon, nothing quite like it has been written really.
There existed some very mediocre isekai series in the past, series that didn’t even manage to surpass MT’s mediocre arcs.
You see when it comes to isekai there was first the dark age.
Twelve kingdoms, escaflowne etc.
These are all works that were mediocre to the core, absolutely unremarkable series made for the female audience forgotten in like a few years and nobody even talked about them for ages. Do you notice how you have to constantly barge in MT threads and remind MTchads how their inferior series also exist? This is because they’re inferior and if you made a thread about them they would die quite fast. In fact they wouldn’t even get like 2 replies. I know this is a hard pill to swallow.

But anyhow, before Mushoku Tensei there was the dark age of isekai. Works such as I mentioned above were frankly trash and nobody took them seriously.
Then came the age of shousetuka ni narou: leadale no daichi nite, Meikyuu harem, Re monster and some new narou series started sprouting but also not many people gave a rats ass about those. Because they had this one gimmick and bam author wrote themselves into a corner they quickly devolved into cheap fast food type shlock. Nobody even cared how they would end and most of them never did end either or ended in a way that was awful.

But then came the light of civilization so to say. Came MT which was like the Roman Empire civilizing all the barbarian savages. It opened the gate. It opened the way.
Sadly of course, even after it showed others the way none of them managed to surpass MT which stayed as a masterpiece to this day.

>>290834631
>>290835656
>>290835871
Just ecelebs being wrong and normalfags parroting them as usual. You need to remember the entirety of anitube had its breakthrough by hating on SAO in particular and LN adaptations in general. There was never a genuine interest in the west to understand isekai and narou, at least not in mainstream discourse. Just people spreading hate and misinformation for profit and people who refuse to engage with the genre in good faith because they were told they shouldn't.

File: 43248575479.jpg (70 KB, 810x780)

70 KB JPG

people blame moshuko and SAO but it was dragon quest that did irreparable damage to japanese fantasy

is there a genuine and unironic reason why you give a shit about Mushoku Tensei being called the "grandfather of isekai"?

>>290840210
While the DQ meme is tiring, I do find the implication that Toriyama is responsible for the entire japanese entertainment landscape very funny. Everything can be traced back to dbz in some way or another if you are brown enough.

>>290840210
japanese fantasy is in a better state than western fantasy

>>290837485
that's definitely shirotaka's. how did you find it?

>>290841483
The artist that got posted can only do man faces, not even boys when I bothered looking. Always stupid amounts for background and never just a character.

File: inuganeteru.jpg (93 KB, 850x559)

93 KB JPG

>>290841590
nah this is undoubtedly shirotaka.

>>290838151
Astro Boy

when will /a/ admit that isekino is the best genre of anime

>>290841699
Whatever you think, I'm not going to be saving or reposting any of it at least.

>>290841735
It's fine, being net writing retardation and spam are some problems though. The more successful authors probably don't mind getting away from the genre/net.

File: inuganeteruinuganeteru.jpg (2.23 MB, 1619x2500)

2.23 MB JPG

>>290841768
why are you so adamant about denying it. it's literally her. it's not even the faces. the shadings and details all match her style

>>290835211
>Next gen was SAO which used the skills and stat screens.
you sure? SAO hardly ever uses skills and stat screens

>>290835347
It's not that, the first arc they were trapped inside a game and if they died there, they die irl so for all intents and purposes it counts as being in another world. It's just the first arc and maybe some alicization arcs that fill the bill.

>>290835347
Tad William's Otherland predates all of those

>>290841726
I figure you're not serious, but I meant the post to be related to net isekai.

>>290835687
The Night Land
>>290835695
The Blazing World

I dislike narou, but alas I'm stuck with various chinese cartoons related to moon culture.
It's like trying to avoid gacha and toobers, you can attempt but cancer will still leak.
For me at least it's sort of interesting looking at what the authors are outside of their series and how it can tie in. I will only add some things that didn't seem posted.
Since fags like to mention it, I'll add in SAO despite being an outlier.
SAO author - 70s birth, shit at games, worse than nintendokiddy /v/ermin, made porn that was essentially a draft of SAO, and two dudes double penetrate the girl the MC was with while he looks on regretting being helpless or something.

Mushoku author - At 13 played arcade fighting games(like Melty) at near tournament level and built 90s PC's, both traits he gave his char (PC thing may not be shown anime wise, along with emulation roms etc), though he got through uni, was one of the leaders in a community, probably married, and a related game company allowed gameplay to be shown in the series.

Rezero author - Likely bad at fighting games though probably likes its skilled players, has Nasu history and probably didn't do well trying Melty.

Slime author - Probably some arcade history, lets a slime do stupid amounts of things that might as well be GPT with physical abilities to nuke or whatever, author himself ended up making his own company.

Overlord author - MMOfag(aka glorified chatroom) salaryman, would at least guess he's Nintendo tier.

Other mentions I guess. Hi Score Girl's author would lose to Mushoku's in game matches. Can I ask most fans/haters to play those games at a decent level or build a 90s PC? Nope, not even moot built such at the age, a man who worked for Google, moved to Japan, married and had a kid there. Which kind of puts into question how well they can judge things, sadly I suppose. I myself mostly stop caring to comment about Mushoku segments after muh broken penor got added though, but I am aware of the rest of the content.

>>290843820
For the char it is interesting how various things get omitted from comments, like how he was bullied because he was helping people, how he saved two kids before isekai, how mana to make less than a cup of water made him pass out and how he constantly trained against it, how he learned multiple languages, how he always got involved with (combat)teachers/books for various things he became capable of etc, was also involved with uni research, always in an easy death state wanting to protect family, has a physically weak body that can't be overcome birth wise, never has sex with anyone but his wives, can be entrusted with children of his friends and obviously his own, and whatever else. Would note though, various things got added as stupidly stronger opponents appeared.
Do I think the Mushoku author is good? No, he's decent though, would like to see non narou/isekai but don't really care to. Nor do I decide to compare him against something like Dunbine, 90s isekai, or Tsukaima, they're just different eras.

Since they got mentioned, I'll also add in DBZ fans. They're obviously a cancerous presence, nothing really needs to be added and they easily should just be ignored, but anyway. When Toriyama's death happened, another death announcement that happened nearly the same time was Tarako. Toriyama was a fan of her work, he made art of her char as well. Goku and her character were even broadcast for the same animation. Despite this such "fans" can often never watch/read DB with young Goku, and called Tarako worthless while saying her death should be ignored in comparison.
I can also bring in fighting games, like with Mushoku. Mushoku's author has Capcom, ArcSys(as shown in the anime), and other companies for what he played. Ex Capcom made their beloved Budokai, ArcSys made FighterZ. These same people of "great judgement" may then whine about Mushoku. Their artist made the style in the 70s as well, it's bizarre how much they latch onto it and even fap to it.

>>290843855
>>290843820
schizopost hours huh?

>>290835320
An irrelevant distinction, since they share the same clichés with slightly different set dressing.

>>290841483
Looking up twisted wonderland back when it was still "the new thing" because I found the idea of a Disney cbdct game to be funny, found that fanart and had to do a double take.

>>290834631
why do you care about retarded labels for shitty isekai?

seems sao's author made art of azumanga, interesting i guess

>>290843820
>Re0
Apparently he's good at idolmaster, or at least I see stuff about it from time to time on his twitter. He also likes writing for trpgs, the guy likes to write so much he will write on fucking anything. He has written re0 content while waiting for the train and posted it on twitter, he's written stories on fucking towels, he writes so fucking much.

>>290845245
If he played it since 05(which was arcade), that would be interesting and could make him a long time veteran. I wouldn't have guessed he had such a background though. All I know of is FF and Pokemon as his other games.

>miura
>liked idolmaster and took forever to make chapters
oh no

>>290845463
Its the opposite, Tappei once wrote a chapter a day for an entire week (iirc it was the Todd hunting down Subaru in the city scene) he can be quite fast.
Fwiw, Tappei replied to someone once that if he were to die he left a bullet point list to a friend that isn't a writer.

i don't want to hate on whatever series, but about 100 animated eps is my own cutoff
slime and rezero are near that, i'd rather just look up info about the end when it happens

>>290834631
Re zero isn't really a isekai.

>>290845245
Does he uh, choose loli Idolmaster characters?

>>290845765
let me guess, you think that isekai means reincarnated into anothe world, and despite even redditors trying to convince you that isekai simply means other world and that tensei means reincarnation, you still cling to your own stupid definition that isekai means reincarnation, and since subaru didn't reincarnate there, it can't be isekai, because you're that stupid.

File: Narou_Top3.jpg (253 KB, 890x960)

253 KB JPG

>>290835033
>b-back in my glory days I was #1!
MT's WN current all-time narou ranking is merely #3 now though, despite the WN still being mostly canonically valid except for some LN-additions that don't really touch much upon the main story, yet lost to a non-canon abandoned beta-version draft from the same era (might catch up to it again, maybe) and a fu/ck/ing food-porn isekai that only started when the golden narou era was already pretty much over.

>>290834631
>grandfather
That's the keyword, Re:Zero (like its fans) is the sexless cunt who didn't reproduce, Mushoku is the based harem impregnator whose kids shaped today.

>>290845826
NTA. I disagree with him, but come the fuck on, he didn't say the reason for his dumb definition. Stop vomiting assumptions.

>>290845765
Yes, it is isekai. Subaru is transported to another world. That's it.

>>290845789
No clue desu. It was something I came across but didnt look into and didnt save, unfortunately.

>>290845913
>golden narou era
Which would be?

>>290845913
Around 2011-2015, but the core of it was around 2013. Basically everything related to Log Horizon. Yes, Log Horizon (MaoYuu deserves some credit as well). Log Horizon got published as a LN in 2011. But let's take a look first for why SAO did not "inspire" anything:

SAO got the royal treatment of the fucking "god of editors" Miki being involved while being published in Dengeki Bunko, which at the time was basically the Weekly Shounen Jump of Light Novels: You get in, you'll make it big for sure. And SAO got there because of some writing contest (basically one of the most orthodox ways to get an "in") where SAO's author made a connection with Miki who only THEN looked at SAO's author's personal website and instantly catapulted SAO into the winning rails, getting advertised in that one huge magazine (was it Megami or NewType? I don't remember) along with Toaru and Typemoon. Absolutely no one would think "yup, I can do that as well by... publishing on an aggregator platform somehow!" That whole bit about
>b-but SAO was a WN too so it's MUH true beginning of isekai!
Is all just historical revision after the fact.

Unlike with SAO, Log Horizon's WN on Narou receiving a Light Novel version looked far more natural and "grassroots" that can be imitated, with a more realistic prospect of a publisher, Enterbrain, although it's also not as simple as that, as the author's previous work MaoYuu was also published on Enterbrain previously after their editors found it posted as a play on 2ch. Still, what Log Horizon did is much easier to imitate, when it got published as a LN in 2011 it caused the first wave on narou in 2011-2012. Then it caused the second wave in 2013+ when Log Horizon's anime was announced and aired.
The reason SAO is falsely credited is because the Log Horizon LN started close to the time when SAO's anime started. Also both Dengeki Bunko and Enterbrain are properties of Kadokawa subsidiaries while Kadokawa was known to invest into isekai the most.

>>290847442
meant for >>290846050

>>290843855
Dad died and he had to raise his two 10 year old sisters.

>kage movie announced 2023
>only coming out next year if at all
gee thanks

>>290834965
That grandfather of isekai narrative was especially spread on reddit and on youtube.

File: MV5BZTU4NGYzMmEtODgxMC00M(...).jpg (278 KB, 1000x1500)

278 KB JPG

>>290834631
Iskeai was already parodied in anime form before MT came out.

File: Yugioh044.jpg (234 KB, 1200x900)

234 KB JPG

Yugioh had filler isekai arcs long before narou was even a thing. 4kids even asked for their own 12 episode capsule monsters isekai season. Super Mario Bros was originally an isekai especially the japanese anime movie adaptation.

File: MV5BZjNlZTI2MDYtN2MyMC00Y(...).jpg (102 KB, 720x540)

102 KB JPG

>>290848396

File: 128790246_p21.jpg (1012 KB, 1300x1900)

1012 KB JPG

ANOSA
WHY did that vulgar WHORE with the barbaric weapons and grotesque fetishes get full minutes of screen time in the re-cap episode while I got relegated to background noise?
Killing one who cannot fight back is not any kind of accomplishment. If anything, this was a chance to remind people that I, in my generosity, spared this "Natsuki Subaru"

>>290838151
hundreds
literally countless

>>290849304
name 10

Tablet seven of the Epic of Gilgamesh is an isekai. Prove me wrong.

Might as well ask here too I guess. For Mushoku, aside from the timeskip to when the dude dies, is there anything Japan related given that goes beyond 2004? It's like the author intentionally cut off all those years.

>>290834631
Cute Ringo.

>>290835370
I remember people joking that Dr.Stone was Isekai since it's basically a different world even if it's just future Earth

>>290851191
It kinda depends. If for example the world was set like 1 million years later or earlier, when the climate and the creatures and the available resources are so utterly different, then it really might just be isekai.
But if it's only 50 or 100 years later, or perhaps even 1000 years, and civilization that descended from current civilization still is around, no matter how degraded it would be, then no.
Ideally, the less ruins from our era are around, the better.

>>290851191
The grandfather of isekai is Digimon, I'm afraid.

File: 471bfbf325a5a5f1a5b09e5aa(...).jpg (1.71 MB, 2400x3412)

1.71 MB JPG

>>290848314
>2012 anime
KNEEL PLEBEIAN

>>290845913
Your retarded logic aside, MT's LN is vastly superior to the WN in every aspect. There is basically no reason to read the WN if you can either buy the LN or simply watch the anime. No clue what sort of crack you're smoking to imply that WN holds just as well.
Nowadays any person that gets into it (or even Slime) through the anime won't go to fucking Narou of all places to read it and will instead buy the physical book with plenty of extra content and beautiful illustrations that also has an ending now since MT's webnovel ended 11 years ago.

File: 1787839420396721.png (790 KB, 1920x1080)

790 KB PNG

>>290834944
Good, it took 25 minutes to end this retarded thread.
>>290834984
You are a fucking retard and a blight upon this board.

>>290847442
For me SAO's influence seems more along the lines of legitimizing/popularizing web novels, at a time where isekai was already a popular trend. As much as people talk about SAO's influence on the genre, there's very few series you could call an SAO clone. There's an obvious formula to modern isekai and SAO has very little in common with any of it.

>>290834631
The real grandfather is Zero no Tsukaima anyway.

>>290856418
Nobody is copying being a summoned slave of a generic shitty childish abusive tsundere, so it's not grandfathering anything at all.

>>290856461
Read >>290835656

if tsukaima turned rezero's author into a kugimiya/idolmasterfag, i'd note that at least

when retards think that the grandfather title simply means being the oldest.

>>290856461
Isekaijins being summoned familiars is a plot point in Tensura.

>>290856853
>becomes a flat chestfag, explaining loli

>>290834631
Kuro no Maou actually debuted on Narou several months before Mushoku Tensei did, making it older than Mushoku Tensei

Kuro no Maou Chapter 1 first debuted on May 14, 2011 and Kuro no Maou was already on Chapter 298 before Mushoku Tensei Chapter 1 first appeared on Narou on November 22, 2012

In other words, 298 chapters of Kuro no Maou content was available to read on Narou before Mushoku Tensei even existed on Narou.

Why do Mushoku Tensei fags love spreading the lie that their work is the father or grandfather of isekai when works like Kuro no Maou exist?

You Mushoku Tensei newfags think nobody will ever bother going to the Narou website in order to discover the bullshit lies you love spreading?


Kuro no Maou: https://ncode.syosetu.com/n2627t/

Mushoku Tensei: https://ncode.syosetu.com/n9669bk/

Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland was the first isekai, followed by The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

File: 1765407957836.jpg (113 KB, 1500x702)

113 KB JPG

>>290834631
they see me rollin
they hatin

>>290857294
The fairytale of Urashima Taro is way older.

The best isekai will be my own. Just waiting, any day now.

>>290857357
>if only the board was at least mostly white and nerdy

they see me mowin
my front lawn

Did Ridin Dirty sort of grandfather something? Hmm.

File: Taketori Monogatari 37917978.jpg (52 KB, 364x500)

52 KB JPG

>>290834795
>>290835385
Taketori Monogatari, or "The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter," is a story dating back to the 10th century, making it over a thousand years old.
Taketori Monogatari is the oldest surviving Japanese work of fiction.

It's about a girl who goes to a world different from her own. Princess Kaguya leaves her world (the Moon), arrives on Earth, and lives among humans. She has adventures, meets several suitors, and then returns to her world after making many friends, gaining a family, and becoming a princess in the new world she visited.
Basically, the first known work of Japanese fiction is an isekai, and a reverse isekai, at that.

I don't get what's even the point of looking for "the grandfather of Isekai" when this trope is ancient and ubiquitous around the world. It's just a convenient plot device that lets you write the protagonist who knows nothing just like the reader, while also isolating him from the rest of the world (so you don't have to worry about his past and family).
But in the modern era, isekai became so popular because it provides a rationale for the adventures to come. It is obvious that to have a fantastic adventure, a person from the real world needs to fall out of the ordinary routine and leave the homeland. A folklore hero could meet an elf in the forest. The hero of a Greek epic had to sail to the other side of the sea. Adventurers of the Renaissance had their adventures on another continent or lost in unknown seas. An explorer of the early 20th century could still hope to find a lost island or something. The hero of early science fiction could to fly to inhabited but unexplored worlds. But all of that is passe now. The modern world has been so studied and measured that the author no longer hopes to reach unknown lands by any known means, and therefore throws his hero somewhere and somehow, don't think too hard about it. That's why isekai became so ubiquitous.

The Isuzu Elf started in 1959, making it a true grandfather also in years.

>>290857092
Kuro no Maou’s writing is meh and couldn’t take off.
Grandfather of isekai is MT see>>290839710
NOBODY GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT BADLY WRITTEN SLOP

>>290834631
You are brown and new

In a way, aren't isekai protagonists just the modern day version of demigods?

kazuma dess
at least just seems to be a sneaky nigga and steals

>>290857722
nevermind, he does have later stronger magic that isn't really hooman anymore

>>290835656
Actual good post. /thread.

Hm, always thought Familiar of Zero was the OG.

File: images-31.jpg (41 KB, 452x678)

41 KB JPG

>>290857688
>isekai protagonists just the modern day version of demigods?
No, that's just power fantasy aspect that is (over)represented in modern isekai.

>>290860145
Many demigod stories were tragic.

>>290835100
In the same way chickens come from dinosaurs, Kirito came from Saito. Autistic Literally Me dipshit with cool sword turned into autistic Literally Me OP dipshit with two cool swords.

>>290835656
A brief addendum to this: the videogame tropes (DQ homages specifically) were present in early pre-Narou isekai. Mashin Eiyuuden Wataru was an incredibly popular pre-Narou isekai, and was a huge send-up to RPGs of the 80s. It's also most likely the reason mecha ended up in 90s exemplars like Escaflowne and (especially) Rayearth.

Naroufags brought the DQ references back as outright story pillars either out of homage, intellectual laziness, or both.

>>290855448
>SAO's influence seems more along the lines of legitimizing/popularizing web novels
Is there anything indicating that that is the case? It seems more like people insist on it solely because SAO used to have a self-published WN and happened to become popular. That's it, that's literally all of the "evidence" for it. No author's ever citing SAO as their inspiration, no nothing. And like you already correctly pointed out (as one of the very few who did) SAO's contents did not get used as an inspiration either, since it's closer to 2000s battle-harems-with-predecided-one-sole-winner-with-the-rest-being-loser-orbiters and the whole survival/battle-royale thing that also was popular in the 2000s. But nothing indicating of isekai, not even the "game elements" aspect which is usually credited to IRL /v/idya or /tg/ such as Dragon Quest, Ultima, D&D (version with pig orcs), etc. by isekai authors.

>>290857648
>Literally copy-pasted Knight's & Magic reincarnation set-up
Nice try, MTfags.

>>290859898
ZnT was one of the pillars of unreasonable abusive kugiRie tsundere. Isekai completely and utterly killed this notion off, leaving only some milder tsundere behind.
Like, seriously, after isekai the whole violent tsundere aspect just got completely and utterly killed off. When I rewatch 2000s anime I see those tsundere, but they are nowhere to be seen in isekai. If ZnT really was that significant origin of isekai then don't you think they'd have kept that? Or do you think that 99% of the ZnT fanbase secretly hated this aspect all this time?

>>290857688
No, at most they are the apostles but the majority are just cultivators.