Based Torishima- He was strongly against making Goku an adult. He was seriously worried it would kill DB's sales.- He hated how Toei handled the Piccolo Daimao fight. The team was the same one from Dr. Slump who are great at comedy but sucks at fight scenes. This was one of the low points.- Because of that mess, they decided to rebrand the franchise with Dragon Ball Z and bring in a new team.- The team who worked on Z is the same one that worked on Saint Seiya.- Torishima considers these two moments the toughest in Dragon Ball's entire history.- The actual reason it's called Z is because Toriyama thought Z was the last letter of the alphabet, so nothing more would come out after it.- When DB ended, the manga industry crashed down. According to him, GT was made because otherwise half the industry would lose their jobs.- On the subject of Dragon Ball Daima, Torishima made it no secret to express his disdain and said: "Daima is shit. Everyone at Toei hates me. Daima betrays Dragon Ball; it's slow, stupid and the first episode is useless. I have no idea how it was approved in the first place."- Torishima thinks old manga are much better than modern manga.- Torishima says today's manga suck because they rarely take the actual print into account. They don't take into consideration the two pages of a spread and he blames smartphones for it.- Torishima also criticized modern manga heavily. He says most current series are overloaded with narration and explanations. A proper manga page should be readable in just 3 seconds, echoing the philosophy of the Father of Manga, Osamu Tezuka.- According to Torishima, Weekly Shonen Jump (and manga in general) became much wordier as the readership aged. Mangaka began writing for adults instead of kids, changing the whole style.- He thinks One Piece sucks because it's no longer really a manga for kids due to that.- Torishima doesn't think there's a single good manga today.
Shill your Twitter elsewhere, faggot
>>291032338Boomer jealousy
>>291032338Unfathomably based
Dragon Ball truly went to shit when Goku became an adult. That's the exact moment that killed Jump.
I like Chainsaw Man, but not in a "this is a good series with substance" way. It's more like a high quality shitpost. The others are truly uninspired trash though, he is absolutely right.
>>291032338>Torishima says today's manga suck because they rarely take the actual print into account. They don't take into consideration the two pages of a spread and he blames smartphones for it.And why would the artists take the actual print into account if people are more likely to read the manga on their phones? I don't get this argument at all.
>>291032405Chainsaw man is a great series with substance also nobody knows who that old fart is or read demon slayer, jjk or blue lock
>>291032338>Torishima doesn't think there's a single good manga today.He probably reads less manga than a western normalfag.
>>291032338>literally who irrelevant past-his-prime boomer has opinions on things that don't concern himcoolmaybe get robert downey jrs opinion on modern manga too
>>291032338He didn't list One Piece (of shit)?
>>291032500It's in the text of the post
>>291032500Read the second to last line of the post.
>>291032411>if people are more likely to read the manga on their phones?Physical sales of manga in Japan still outweighs digital distribution for the bigger mainstream magazines like WSJ and Sunday; only series already made in digital format has less physical sales when it has a physical print version available.
>>291032338sorry bro we can't just spam tournament arcs like 50 years ago, people want more
>>291032338Manga is dying medium anyway.Kids nowadays don't read anymore.By the time Gen X, Millennials, and early Gen Z have grown out of their hobby, manga industry will become like the west's comic industry.
>>291032338He forgot mha
>>291032338>"Based" Torishima>First bullet is something he was objectively wrong about
>>291032552And there's nothing anybody can do to make these brainrot dopamine deprived tiktok generation to read manga.Hell, most of my colleagues even prefer to read webtoon over manga because they don't know how to read them nor even bother to learn because they're too tired of everything in their life.
>>291032556so did everyone else
>>291032338>A proper manga page should be readable in just 3 secondsmakes me think of a certain manga... a very specific page featuring a chinaman beloved by fans.. you know the one!
>>291032338>do nothing for himIt do be like that when you're old. Take your pills.
>>291032338>Torishima also criticized modern manga heavily. He says most current series are overloaded with narration and explanations. A proper manga page should be readable in just 3 seconds, echoing the philosophy of the Father of Manga, Osamu Tezuka.Broadly, I don't disagree. But as an adult, I do like the narration and explanations.
>>291032338>A proper manga page should be readable in just 3 secondsFunny how Fujimoto achieves that by late Part 2 CSM but the content just sucks anyway.
>>291032338>A proper manga page should be readable in just 3 secondsImagine spending 12 hours drawing a single panel only for the readers to glance at it for 0.5 seconds.I can't wait for AI to be good enough so I can make a manga page in 3 seconds too.
He's right that modern those manga suck, but he's wrong about the reasons and his favourite manga are shit too. Dragon ball sucks.
>>291032338Venerable elder graces us with his divine wisdom
>>291032646A lot of the appeal of art is that it's actually drawn by someone, retard.
>>291032512>>291032518No
>>291032646It was his choice to spend 12 hours on it. Next time, design a panel that takes half the time to make. Work smarter not harder, also, no assistants?
>>291032338Torishima is right about the Piccolo Daimao arc in the anime, they turned a fast pacing arc in the manga into a slow pacing arc full of invasive fillers and even changed canon parts to introduce filler moments. This is why Piccolo Daimao arc is the worst in the OG anime and it could have been awesome if it was like the manga.Of course most people never watched the OG anime so they don't know how annoying it was, or worse, they only watched it and believe the manga arc was the same as the anime.
>>291032338In order for these opinions to carry any weight, you would first have to list any of this guy's actual accomplishments. The only thing you mentioned was a thing where he didn't get his way and that he was spectacularly wrong about, so why the fuck would I care about any of his opinions? It's like: "here's a guy who thought smartphones would be just a fad, let's listen what he thinks about the future of technology!"
>>291032699>A lot of the appeal of art is that it's actually drawn by someone, retard.Nah, man.I bet you wouldn't even look at this double page spread for more than 3 seconds either when you first read them.These kind of pages can take more than 12 hours to draw and your average readers will only skim through it like scrolling Xitter.
>>291032732>they turned a fast pacing arc in the manga into a slow pacing arc full of invasive fillers and even changed canon parts to introduce filler moments.For me it's the filler dinner that telegraphs Krillin's death harder than a neon sign.
>>291032732I liked two of the filler episodes in theory, the one where Tien needs to speak to someone he injured and the one where Goku is challenged by the Darkness.
>>291032338Who?
>>291032338absolutely based
>>291032411I think he means the overall composition and paneling which it's true, not enough artists do well in general. Oda has been particularly bad about this in his more recent spreads.
>>291032338Retarded boomer should just let it go and take the hint he’s no longer needed. The faggot’s already in his 60s, just fucking retire and enjoy the last days of his life
>>291032338This is incredibly refreshing to read.
>>291032338https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49992Here is the longer content of the interview.
>>291032732Eh, the Piccolo Daimao arc in the manga feels like a skeleton of an arc rather than an actual story. The only filler I disliked in the anime was the labyrinth for the super sacred water, outside of that all additions were an improvement that actually gave it a lot more character moments, while it's all fairly empty in the manga even compared to other Dragonball arcs.When people were posting the entire manga here reactions to the King Piccolo arc were mostly negative too.
>>291033140>When people were posting the entire manga here reactions to the King Piccolo arc were mostly negative too.Why?
>>291032338Torishima has been blatantly and retardledly wrong about many things. Nugga can't even remember that the only reason why DB went the way it did (IE, action / battle manga) and became as popular as it did was because HnK proved that there was a large, ravenous audience that wanted it in Jump at the time.A manga that he fucking hated, by the way, because it was super popular while being exactly the type of shit he hates.
>>291032338>- He was strongly against making Goku an adult. He was seriously worried it would kill DB's sales.So he already proves himself an idiot on the first line. DBZ was an absolute phenomenon that continues to make money to this day. Meanwhile Dragonball and Kid Goku are much less recognizable.
>>291032552>>291032600>Waaa Waa too many newfags are reading manga now >sales are dropping meaning normies aren't infesting the hobby anymoreSo which one is it, i keep hearing two contradicting points, someone is lying
>>291033707The real reason why sales numbers are dropping, and that no one seems to want to aknowledge, is that they're all switching to digital. some years ago wsj for example made a statement of their circulation numbers but let their digital jump (not jump+) sub numbers slip, too. It basically added up to what they had had years before, when the digital version wasn't a thing yet.Oricon doesn't track purely digital, because no publisher has any incentive to give them any numbers as they have their own in house analytics etc.
I would assume part of the consequence of digitalisation is piracy being trivally easy. Japan has such a stick up its ass that piracy is likely smaller than it would be in a saner country, but it should to some extent be an iron law regardless. Selling small image files is gonna be a difficult mass business model nowadays.
>>291033695Just to add: his boomerisms about manga nowadays being overly adult and such are nonsense wgen shit like fucking HANA NO KEIJI ran alongside DB.That manga was DRASTICALLY more adult than a good number of seinen manga i've read.
>>291032338being against making Goku an adult is the only thing I disagree with him. My favorite thing in DB is how the time skips actually give a sense of progression while in most manga it feels like a cheap excuse to slightly update the design of the characters without introducing any substantial change to the story.
>>291032338The fact that he thought that the Saint Seiya anime was good despite thinking the manga was trash shows that he only cares for hype moments and aura. Yeah Shingo Araki was a more gifted artist than Kurumada could ever hope to be and the soundtrack is fire but the anime made the story an even bigger mess and the retarded dialogues made to stretch the episode length as much as possible makes the series unwatchable by today's standards.
>>291032546> i dont read manga please rape my face
>>291032338>A proper manga page should be readable in just 3 seconds, echoing the philosophy of the Father of Manga, Osamu Tezuka.so he hates HxH too?
>>291032646Should that even take 12 hours? Looks like it should cost you 4 hours tops or less for an experienced artist.
>>291032744Because that spread is shit. It's a wobbly sheet of ruble, what do you expect me to take the time doing looking at it? Finding Waldo? It's bad design philosophy, fucking nothing is happening there. The less words you can describe the pannel with, the worst it is.
Who is torishima? All I see is dr mashirito.
>>291032338>- He was strongly against making Goku an adult.He looked cooler after the Red Ribbon time skip at least. Tori started making Goku leaner and it worked out pretty well.>- He hated how Toei handled the Piccolo Daimao fight.I compared it directly to the manga recently and, while animation quality was full of highs and lows, I don't know how it could have been directed better. The first fight against the old Daimao was significantly improved though.A lot of these other points are right to a degree but he speaks in absolutes too much. Is Torishima trying to be the manga version of Miyazaki?
