Don't forget to put on your trusty tinfoil hat. You wouldn't want government electromagnetic waves reprogramming your subconscious with propaganda.>>291219196last
>>291325707The thumbnail makes it look like Kevin has an evil goatee
ovaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>291325780Watching Defunctland videos it's interesting to learn how interested Disney was with technology.
>>291326020SEXO!Oh, I missed you!!!
>>291326466Bro, you couldn't just wait!?
>>291325857His smug face...it mocks me
>>291325857Smug little shit
>>291326466Oh shit
>>291325835>borringChuck is right, doesn't anyone proofread this shit?
>>291326578He was always incredibly forward-thinking, and loved pushing the latest technologies in his park (like an entire house made entirely of plastic kek). Of course in the end he got a little TOO forward-thinking, going all-in on EPCOT which honestly I doubt would've ever gotten off the ground even if he hadn't died of cancer.
>>291326269Did we ever get confirmation that a time-rewind thing actually happened before in the first place?
>>291326050>first page mentions a dude commiting suicideis it really aimed at children?
>>291326713dude's got terminal PLOTITIS, he had to do it.
>>291326713he's literally dying bro
Post the Audrey picyes that one
>>291327597I got you anon
Is Audrey some real life Disney daughter or something?
Bump for Ivan the fool.
>>291326206>>291326269goddam fucking bat can't you talk straight? what I get from this is: -billy confirms all three bats are part of the same creature-white and black bats can only do minor pushes on history-moon bat can rewind time? -time has been rewound before?
>>291325857THAT FUCKING BAT
>>291326121>Shut up woman
>>291326713He can't, he probably don't plan to go back either
>>291326121>silence! bitch
>>291326466
>>291329230billy is a schizo with multiple personality disorder
>>291325707The cover art thumbnail makes Kevin look like he's about to wage jihad on the infidels following the false-Bat.
>>291327287Yes, literally Black Kevin use its to show him, and that's the only here its happened
>>291328191Yeshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Disney_Miller
>>291333130This must be the work of that damn bat!
>>291326206>always complains that humans don't understand>never bothers to explain anythinghe acts all high and mightier than humans, but he is just as bad if not worse
>>291327287not within the story since this is apparently the last available Earth
>>291325724
>>291327287How do you think a bat got on the moon in the first place?
>>291334173we know how. The bat was originally on a meteor millions of years ago that crashed on earth. During that explosion that also created the moon, it got divided into three, one on the moon(remains of the meteor), two on earth
>>291327209EPCOT was such an obviously terrible idea if anyone other than Walt thought about it for more than a minute.On every single level, it was a terrible idea.Remodeling the homes to always have the latest technology. The fact that it's effectively a company town. The fact that the city itself would be open to tourists, so you couldn't even step outside to get the mail unless you were dressed to impress.
>>291325857I can't really tell how Sneed Culkin feels about it.Is he against this new Billy becoming so popular, and forcing a smile?Is he smiling because he's happy to see Billy's reboot is a success?Does he feel silly after spending decades watering Billy down for marketability only to realize that it was never necessary?
>>291334779he's clearly annoyed, but has to put on a face because he couldn't talk his way out of this one as it would reveal the ghost-writing thing
>>291334779Probably a mix of fear and anger.Fake Chuck built his empire on the lie that he made Billy, so he needs real Chuck to be compliant.Real Chuck sneaking in the newest Billy in a completely different style without his approval (and worse, in the OG Kevin style), would probably rattle fake Chuck since it meant that real Chuck had developed some backbone and could potentially whistle blow and bring down his empire.The fake smile is just him trying to not show his real emotions in front of others.
>>291326121>two pages of listening to a woman talk
>>291329230hes our vaguepost king
>>291329230>time has been rewound before?You remember this page?
>>291326269So as I understand it the two Billy's are an optical illusion. To us 3 dimensional creatures there's a Billy pushing you to the future (Black) and one pushing you to the past (White), but we're just glimpsing the same 4th dimensional being. In true Japanese fashion, the moral of the story is we need to go to the future not past to stay on track in life. I suppose even the colors white is the big bang and black is the endless expanse of space at the end of time
Bump
>>291334779>>291334904by this point impostor Culkin had gaslit himself into thinking he really is Billy Bat's fatherhis is the only true version and all others are fraudsas such he rages at the very idea of someone changing the status quohe's still a shrewd businessman, so he doesn't make a scene in publicbut he is definitely not okay with it>Does he feel silly after spending decades watering Billy down for marketability only to realize that it was never necessary?but Yamagata version had remained niche despite long publicationmaybe it was the art change, maybe it was just fake Culkin's marketing chopsbut nazi Culkin truly was necessary to make Billy Bat a worldwide phenomon, it is his success and it cannot be deniedthe reason Goodman/Yamagata version continues to be popular is likely because it already has momentum and recognisability, it's easier to get people to like something they already know(also do we really not have any fan nicknames to differentiate fake/true Culkins? it's tedious having to specify all the time which one I mean)
Culkin is right btw, fuck niche shit. Billy would never be that popular without him
>>291326466>he's not the kind of man to make mistakes
>>291336778Just call him Disney.
>>291337253yeah but that still leaves "true Culkin", since Culkin alone is ambiguous
>>291326206>The other mefuck you Kengan Omega
>>291337218It's only a mistake if you care about the consequences.
>>291337218I'm sure he's fine'tis but a scratch
Did I miss the Hitler chapters?all of them?
>>291337864yesEvery single one of them
>>291337884Goddammit
>>291326345>>291326396>Dmitri, you know why codename is Ivan, don't you?>It's for Ivan the Foolthey got it backwardsKurusu says>Dmitri, I know why you chose "Ivan" as my codename>It's for "Ivan the Fool", isn't it?it's the Dimitri guy that came up with the callsign
>>291327287My understanding is that it happened countless times before the story started which is why this is the last Earth
>>291338391drat, wrong image
>>291338391>>291338739thanks tl anon
>>291333798Come on buddy, don't act like mathematics outside the simplest algebra is complete hebrew to the layman. Imagine Billy going:>"Hey buddy,things ain't always black or white, sometimes they are {complex form of wave function}<"What?">Complicated. Sometimes they get complicated.
>>291325857Get fucked bitch
>>291339028You intentionally try to use the most complex answer that is possible, instead of something easier to understand in the middle. There is a wide range between "complex form of wave function" and "black or white". If your mighty god-like being can't understand that, he is not as great as he likes to claim.For example "I'm an alien creature that has evolved to be able to manipulate the 4th dimension. But unfortunately I'm one of the dumb ones of my species and thus can't actually bother to be helpful."
>>291339028>>291339293to be fair this is clearly intentionally ambiguous so the author doesn't have to invent weird physics justificationwhich is fine as far as I'm concerned, at least Billy's not spouting some bullshit about quantum mechanicsyeah, I knowbut in the end the only decent storytelling solution is to do it the hard way and somehow present the rules logically to the readersaying muh math is a copout
>>291339461hey come on, be grateful.
>>291339736I want to say the author juggles scenes from different periods masterfullyhe uses visual anchors of key events so it's immediately obvious when we are in time without narration or even year tooltipit's like watching Memento
ovaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>291325835So this is basically the 80s/90s reboot, which was a popular trend around that time? Twisted Tales of Felix the Cat, Bashki's Mighty Mouse, Alvin and the Chipmunks, etc.
>>291339785>I'm waiting for a new issue to readboy is he going to be disappointed by the release speedeven GRR Martin has nothing on Yamagata when it comes to hiatuses
>>291340165Give the guy a break, he don't got arms
>>291339461kek
>>291339461Kurusu says "Fuck border lines!"
>>291340027I'm impressed he manages to not make scene shifts not confusing in contrast with the purposely confusing story.
>>291340289Dude literally made a whole comic a day or something with his feet before the commune got raided.
>>291339980in a story about pondering the end of humanity, the narration places Kurusu on the moon, a barren world, in total isolationhe's is not currently the only human alivebut the story makes it feel like he is, his physical location mirrors his state of mind and his goalthis is frankly total kino
>>291339693This feels connected to Hitler's bat illustration and Billy's repetition of how "someone must die for history to move foraward".
>>291339947>>291339980Masterful pages. Somehow you can "hear" the silence.
>>291340098I get what Urasawa's going for, but this constant oscillating between a quasi great man theory of history on the one hand, and the parapolitical smoke and mirrors deep state on the other really does a number on the narrative structure. There's virtually no tension to this at all, which is strange, since he was way better about this in Monster. There, you could feel the system doing what it does, all the while producing various kinds of monsters along the way. Here, on the other hand, you have a guy, whose backstory and traumas are pretty pedestrian by any measure, who wants to end the world, and consequently (narratively at least) gets contrasted with Hitler, for whatever reason. It might hew closer to a nuanced portrayal of a kind of history unfolding, but at this point it's becoming incredibly boring to see Urasawa unable to decide whether he wants to hone in on the paranoia or mundanity.
>>291340552>There's virtually no tension to this at allsorry anon but speak for yourself, I'm on the edge of my seat here.
How did the guy turn into an astronaut so fast?
>>291339851WHAT
>>291340065Man what an total ingrateStop trashing the soviets man, they got you to the frickin moon, I'd like to see you do better
>>291340098Oh boy, oh boy. My favorite chapter(s) are coming up next. Kurusu has been an enigma so far but what we will learn of him soon is pure cinema.
>>291326050>after a long hiatus from printKek, this is almost certainly a direct reference to Mickey Mouse being "retired" after WW2, only coming back decades after Walt's death with "Mickey's Christmas Carol" in 83. That film was also one of the major stepping stones to the later Disney Renaissance.
>>291340970his backstory already happened, anon
>>291341240Which is why I said what we will learn of him. That means more than backstory.
>>291326121Lmao.
>>291326396Something tells me he was planning for this to he one way to begin with.
>>291340628i mean, all those assassinations and karate chops definitely have kept the dude in shape, all he needed is the proper training.
>>291326121Kevin should marry Audrey
reading bump
>>291340027Yeah there are a lot of nice transitions. Also little touches like larger gutters (look at the shift from Kurusu looking at the moon and then being on the moon on the previous page, and the spacing around the gunshot sfx here) also emphasize the shifts in time and place.
>>291339851Fucking kino
>>291339461Wow, what an asshole.
>>291339693>when my life ends, history will end as well
>>291339461>Fuck you and your eyebrows, Brezhnev
>>291340111>which was a popular trend around that time?Never stopped being one. Reboots/revivals are always on a 20-25 year cycle to reclaim the audience that grew up with a property.
>>291341530>>291326121jackie is so much cuter than audrey it's not even funny.
>>291339736Kurusu is the average /ic/ user.Engaging in global conspiracy theories and training his body to go to the moon, all just to avoid having to pick up a pencil.
This feels like the final arc. How many chapters are there left, or are we still far away from the ending?
>>291348251Audrey is more sexo, tho.
>>291349177>all just to avoid having to pick up a pencil.You wouldn't get it anon. Some folks will never make it, and knowing that (You) are one of those folks hurts more than you'd think.
>>291339736This should be an /ic/ banner.
>>291340165>>291340289>>291340329>you're going to get fujipontaro and you're going to fucking like it!
>>291349177Made me chuckle.>>291350147I think we're about 2/3rds of the way through. We still got 9/11, China, and then a short wrap up arc.
>>291349177>>291350514>knowing that (You) are one of those folks hurts more than you'd thinkjust like Kurusu, reallyit's not like he didn't try, he just has zero artistic talent no matter how much he practices
>>291350514>has nip genes >still NGMI
>>291325707Bump
>>291342432dad would kill them both
>>291339851https://youtu.be/Zc1k37kt4AY
>>291339872Ohhh... oh no. He doesn't know.
>>291350827Based
>>291339736JUSTFUCKINGDRAW
>>291353343Kore Kaite Shine
>>291353343even the author admits that some people are simply born with the talent to draw while others aren't. And some are born with the talent of both art and writing, and only those select few can become proper comic artist/mangaka.Sure other people can improve over time(much longer than it would take talented people) but they will never reach those natural born geniuses.
>>291339736Just draw bro, it's not that hard (maybe)
>>291353343The thing is that not everybody can draw the damn bat, you can't just brute force it either, even Chuck who is a seasoned cartoonist could not draw the real bat. There are people in the story who know about him, but can't find him at all. There are those who can hear him and do his bidding, there are those who can not only hear, but also see him and finally there are those who can actually draw him. I'm not sure if it ever got explained what the difference is and if it has anything to do with there being multiple bats or not, but it has a significance to the story.
Are you readyIts time
>>291356023> isnt that right fuehrerwhy is she not saying anything
>>291356103because she is also a nazi
OVA
>>291356023Hmm.
>>291355840>shit upkek
>>291356117AAAAIIIEEEE
>>291355788Yeah it is pretty farfetched
>>291356131so is the baby
>>291356173>sun is a babby>moon is der Führer
>>291356117
>>291355775Kurusu-san...
>>291356005ENTER
>>291356083>>291356107Literally me!
>>291356117>>291356153AIIIIEEEE NOT THE BAT AGAIN
>>291355840
>>291356357I see what you did there
>>291356005I like the story as a whole, but what the fuck is this developmentCulkin not only has a near-accident that leads to a meeting but the driver is his exand the ex has a child with her that she reveals to be hisoh and they are conveniently just next to a place of significance for both of themit's farcical, a thirty-contrivance pileupand Chuck doesn't even have the excuse of being puppeteered by a psychic bat from space it takes me out of the storymaybe it was a late addition when Urusawa decided to stretch the story more than initially planned
>>291356023>nearly kills you and your baby>give him the baby to hold anyway>he immediately starts talking how he wishes your child and the whole world would die>then he starts talking to imaginary Hitler while looking at the Moondo you think maybe she remembers now why they're not together anymore
>>291355886>I'm so mad. I'm gonna go fuck my girlfriend until I'm not so mad.
>>291357545I think it's intentionally overly contrived because of how Billy isn't involved in that part of his life at all. Sometimes crazy shit happens, and it isn't because a moon Bat is manipulating your life, it's just your natural life. You wish you could blame all the crazy shit on the moon bat, but it's just you.
>>291357923sorry, but that doesn't gel at allCulkin never believed in the bat as anything paranormal, so he wouldn't blame him for anythingand the story doesn't comment on it eitherit's not that your interpretation doesn't fit, but it's entirely your creation, a post factum justificationif anything, Culkin fanatically believes that it was who Hitler foresaw and engineered everything why are we spoilering
>>291358010*Hitler who
>>291358010It's for the perspective of the reader, not fakeChuck.
>>291355840MFW I'm a photographer in the year 2000 and the girl in the tub asks me what she's supposed to do.
>>291358067I get that, but I don't buy that it's intentionalI think that scene just has just sloppy writing
>>291358099It's all so contrived for the twist that the last "authentic" Billy artist can't even see him.
>>291358140doesn't work for that either, I'm afraidbat can only work by convincing people to acteven if the reader assumes the baby can see the bat, the current situation couldn't have been bat's fault as the baby is powerless to change anything
>>291327295The current concept of what's "acceptable for children" is incorrect, deeply, and more than partially a tool of manipulation.
>>291339461Maybe he's got some good in him after all.
>>291356173Out-of-Context /pol/-posting worthy
>>291356153Thank you for posting.
>>291356357heh
>>291356117AIIIIIIE
>>291355840Bro you can't say that to your daughter
>>291356023What the fuck is his problem?
>>291357584>why they're not together anymoreBecause he made fake promises of stardom to her and then stopped picking up her calls?
I don't understand why changing ghostwriters has enraged Chuck so dearly.
>>291361557He's built his entire world around a lie to prop himself up, taking that away basically confirms what he already knows, he has no worth at all. It's the most explicit way to shine a light on him being a parasite.
I HATE THE BAT
>>291361557He had frown attached to the Billy he had propped up. It was real Chuck's Billy but it was also partly fake Chuck's too since he's the one who kept real Chuck working when he was going to give up on Billy and he was the one who pushed the PR and worked as the face of the product. His level of attachment is understandable but also to his own detriment since he's not the creative, just the PR face and businessman. He really has a lot in common with other major business giants who weren't really the ones making the thing that they were associated with, one example being Steve Jobs who had Steve Wozniak doing the real work whenever they were partnered and then had a corporate dev team after, but typically that type is able to throw away their attachments and shame to pivot for the money.
>>291350318I think sex with Jackie would be superior to sex with Audrey
>>291361557Wasn't the whole point he took over Billy Bat and made Chuck draw the fake so that he could ruin the image of the real Billy Bat
>>291363785He had limited understanding of the bat since his only source was literally Hitler and some vague shit from glowies.
>>291363785I'm guessing he was sent to America precisely to lay the groundwork for Goodman's bat going global. As far as Hitler knew not-Chuck would find a real schizo cartoonist and spread the real bat around the world. It only ended up being fake because Yamagata left and Chuck couldn't hear the bat.Probably, after the white bat abandoned Hitler and he was on the verge of defeat, the black bat gave him this mission.
>>291364057>As far as Hitler knew not-Chuck would find a real schizo cartoonist and spread the real bat around the world.fake Chuck wanted a "cute" Billy Bat from the very beginning, he talked about it literally from the moment he got the mission, and Hitler knew thatthis is another way in which Chuck Boss feels ownership over Billy, it's because this style was his idea, and why he encouraged it in Chuck Prime
>>291356117>>291356153BILLY BAT BILLY BAT GRANT ME MY WISH!
>>291361597He's good at marketing, that's somethingI never got the impression that he cared much about being an artist, wanting to kill all of humanity seems like an extreme overreaction for a guy who is on top of the world>>291363785He barely knows anything about the bat
>>291355840>shit up
>>291357777>Chuck gets Trolled
>>291356173>>291358384>Never ask a Jewish Nazi what color his bastard child and mistress is
>>291355840Chuck, language!
Even in the dead of space mankind cannot escape that fucking bat that I hate
>>291355899Heroine, not heroin.
>>291367802she probably wants both
>>291369084shut the fuck up billy
ovaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>291369517>i didnt manipulated anything, thats just how you chose to interpret it.Yeah, totally... just kurusu AND EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN READER OUT THERE!Seriously, theres no way anyone can interpret kurusu's early years and trauma as somethjng he came up, the bat WAS manipulating him, theres no other way to say it.
>>291369601>>291369623Wonderful.
>>291342432The first Kevin should marry Jackie. Dad would bless their marriage.
>>291369601>>291369623I like that Chuck gets this moment at the end. Really gets across that he's a legitimate artist with his own voice and not just the fake he believes himself to be.
>>291369135It's that simple. Not that difficult to get.
>>291369538>Whether it was wrong or not is for you to decide
>>291369260Huh. The drawing on the moon is actually that small?
>>291369623okay, spoiler talkI think the manga peaked herethe whole part with the moon trip was excellent and masterfully atmosphericmany story threads also tied neatly, there's a definite impression of finalityeverything up to this point was also greatI think the manga could have ended right hereit would have been a gripping, intricate story from start to finishbecause from here on it's all downhillfirst, the next arcup until now, all the historic events had twists to them, where we learned how they were intertwined with the bat intriguenot so in the next arcthey simply try and fail to stop 9/11 and that's itthe bat manipulation also gets really heavy-handed hereand I don't even have words for the trainwreck that happens nextthe last thing this manga needed was a discount Erenbeing a little shit and also literally trying to conquer the world by controlling world energy and turning amusement parks into sovereign polities99% of which happens off-screenbecause timeskips get increasingly larger until it feels like I'm reading Fire Punchlike what the fuck even is thisyeah, there were good moments here and therewe would miss out on Yamagata forma Zofuu and the absolute hype of Justice Deviviebut those weren't worth seeing the whole plot disintegratewhat happens next is 6 volumes of meaningless meandering, very often literalI will also take the moment to note that the 3 bats thing was in retrospect largely unnecessaryI don't think it added anything to the story and didn't really need a "resolution", which by the way didn't really clarify anythingthe story woild have worked just as well with a single Billy, maybe twothanks for reading my blog
>>291370430>spoilerI'm excited. I'm here because I'm bored.
>>291356005>>291356023This is hilariously stupid, holy shit.
>>291356117Thia genuinely doesn't look real. Like he's photoshooped onto the page.
>>291356153One thing I don't get is why it's Kevin's Billy in both places, rather than the winged version we saw with the caveman on the moon.
>>291370712Here>>291369277 it's simply from Karate Chop's point of view. Moon Billy's just taking up a form wich's more comprehendable for the person who's talking to him. Also I'm pretty sure the cave Billy and Moon Billy are virtually identical.
>>291370691well he isn't real and isn't actually there, so it's appropriatebut the reason he appears like he doesn't fit is because he isn't shaded like an object on the moonhe's just generically illuminated
>>291369403So Billy is not actually rewriting history, he moves people to a parallel universe while destroying the old one in the process. Which means this exact scenario must've happened an infinite number of times already.
>>291369440Lmao, his smug fucking face in that last panel.
>>291369479I really like that last panel looking like Billy's directly speaking to him through the tattoo. Makes it clear that Kevin is starting to get through to him via his own memories.
>>291369623Thanks OP>>291370430I'm not reading it until I finished the daily
>>291370430Honestly I agree, this chapter is really good because it feels like the whole manga was building up to it from the very start.The problem with the next arcs isn't that they're not good, but rather that it feels like it lacks build up compared to the first half, it goes too quick for its own good.
>>291371592good for youthat's what spoiler tags are for
>>291369084Kevin! You gotta draaaw somethin'!
>>291371747It's a picrel thing. Everything after the moon serves as the denouement+conclusion, just an an entire arc unto itself rather than a handful of chapters like you'd see in a three act structure
>>291369099>Kevin discovers artist's block
>>291373002hate that shit
>>291369696The bat just kept him from dying in the earthquake, everything else was shitty luck due to having a commie dad in a time of political strife
>>291369623;_;
>>291369623Damn... All that hardship gets put into perspective when you're looking at the entire earth like that.>>291370430>>291371747For the most part I agree. Everything up to this point has been pretty great but as I recall the manga starts to feel like it's just spinning its wheels in the upcoming arcs. Most of the "mystery" of what Billy is has been answered at this point. I still enjoyed what comes next and I think it wrapped up in a thematically appropriate way by the end but it doesn't hit the same insane highs like before from what I remember.
>>291369623Good ol' Overview Effect coming in clutch.
>>291369260Remember when Urasawa kind of hinted at the bat the astronauts saw being just a drawing someone made in Akechi's fake moon setup to throw off the readers? That was funny
>>291373547I was just thinking of William Shatner's trip to space a couple years back when I saw that page and he mentions the overview effect too.>I love the mystery of the universe. I love all the questions that have come to us over thousands of years of exploration and hypotheses. Stars exploding years ago, their light traveling to us years later; black holes absorbing energy; satellites showing us entire galaxies in areas thought to be devoid of matter entirely… all of that has thrilled me for years… but when I looked in the opposite direction, into space, there was no mystery, no majestic awe to behold . . . all I saw was death.> I had thought that going into space would be the ultimate catharsis of that connection I had been looking for between all living things—that being up there would be the next beautiful step to understanding the harmony of the universe. In the film “Contact,” when Jodie Foster’s character goes to space and looks out into the heavens, she lets out an astonished whisper, “They should’ve sent a poet.” I had a different experience, because I discovered that the beauty isn’t out there, it’s down here, with all of us. Leaving that behind made my connection to our tiny planet even more profound.
>>291370430Spoilers so didn't Billy keep saying after this point that Kevin stretched the story past the actual end and even he wasn't entirely sure what was going to happen next? Not that it really excuses the rest of the manga but I got the feeling that's partially what Urasawa was going for. And anyways this isn't the first disappointing Urasawa conclusion I've seen.
>>291356117ay gonorrea. el murciégalo
>>291369623Kino panel
>>291369623;_:7
>>291373899The bat is bullshitting since Hitler already had foreseen from the bat the resource wars of 21st century. The fucking final chapter was in Hitler's final painting.
>>291369623pure kinography
>>291370430It's been years so I'll wait until I re-read it fully and give my impressions. I remember liking what I read back then so I'm interested if my opinion will change.
I wonder what a "Garfield without Garfield" edit of billy bat would look like
>>291378279A lot of artists screaming at a blank page
>>291370430In my opinion, it peaked with the Lee Harvey Oswald arc
>>291356023>>291356083>>291369440Did Christopher Nolan's Tenet steal this from Billy Bat?
>>291378975No tenent was a movie about a guy realising the big boss in charge of the conspiracy that recruited him was his own future self and the way to make sure that future happen was screwing over both sides so nobody gets the McGuffin, thus preventing The Tomorrow War (2021) in which imperialists from the future use time travel to colonize the past
>>291379060The main antagonist's motivation is to end the world with his death.
>>291379072that's not very specific
>>291376064Was that Billy's knowledge of the future or was it Hitler's own wish rewriting history much like Kevin is able to do? We know that cartoonist are literally capable of controlling time and space and they don't even necessarily have to be able to see Billy to do it, as seen with Timmy and and real Chuck. So it may not have been an actual real vision of the future but merely Hitler's own wish, to see humanity perish.
>>291339736>"That's why i protected the mangaka"He tried to kill him, he told him he was going to kill him.The entire story would have taken a different turn if he wanted to protect the artist from the start.He would have gotten the scroll very fast.
>>291369623Thank you for posting.
>>291379703heh
>>291379703KEVIN! YA GOTTA DRAW SOMETHIN!
bampo
>>291373397not sothe bat lead him to Shishou, who set Kurusu on the whole path of seeking the batthat moment determined the rest of Kurusu's life
>>291373899I see your pointbut being shit on purpose is still being shit
>>291370430does anyone even disagree with this, i mean maybe someone will have a different idea of where it peaked, but i doubt theres anyone. probably not even urusawa himself that doesnt think its downhill from herevery disappointing not to say its BAD, but the payoff really doesn't match the buildup
>>291380471Karate Chop said he was working for an organization that was both powerful and seeking the scroll. He alludes to this in his talks with Smith. If you're feeling charitable and want to give Urusawa a pass, we can assume that killing Kevin was the organization's wishes but not Karate Chop's, since he had his own goals in mind. Though, why they gave him free pass to work with the Soviets to go to the fucking Moon is anyone's guess. Actually, I really don't know how to justify that part of the story. The Soviets him tons of leeway for being just a guinea pig.
>>291386438>I really don't know how to justify that part of the story. The Soviets him tons of leeway for being just a guinea pigit really does feel like a weaksauce justificationpeople doing crazy reckless things is how Russian experimental science is usually portrayed anywayso Kurusu being a daredevil doesn't feel all that unique to warrant special treatmentmaybe the Japanese have different stereotypes?
Which cover is YOUR favorite, so far?
>>291387000America's greatest hero
>>291387000>Mein fuhrer didn't get a coverwtf?
>>291387000all my homies stand by my nigga zofu
>>291325707Thx
>>291387000>no Hitler coverLame.
>>291370712billy only shows his wings during flying, retard
>>291355840It's funny how we still don't have an answer to his real identity.
Culkin is urasawa best villain ngl
>>291389299Feels like Urasawa has a thing for "nameless" villains.
>>291386438>Though, why they gave him free pass to work with the Soviets to go to the fucking Moon is anyone's guess. Actually, I really don't know how to justify that part of the story. The Soviets him tons of leeway for being just a guinea pig.Maybe one of the bats gave him state secrets to leak to the Soviets, to get him to the moon.
>>291369277so urasawa also foreshadowed the cave huh
>>291387000Knowing how the rest look, volume 20
>>291390302the cave was already mentioned multiple times by this point
>>291387000jackie is the cutest, zoofu is badass and oswald is a hero, but kanbei really stuck with me.
>>291385973His life was already shit before that so it's unfair to blame the bat for him being miserable
>>291387000Jackie of courseBut I like the Billy costume Oswald one, he looks so weird and it contrasts with the real Billy drawn behind him>Kevin Goodman already has more covers than Yamagata
>>291392457SHOWTIME!
>>291392495Damn Billy you're so cool...
>>291392708Chuck is such a doormat he's not even mad that the Nazi guy stole his literal fucking name
>>291369623Kino simply kino
>>291392519Billy is the Simpsons?
>>291392689AUDRRRRRREEEEYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
ovaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>2913870009 and 12 are the goats so far
>>291391362post routine
>>291392457>Shima KousakuALL STORYTIMES ARE CONNECTED
>>291392543my african-american hero!
>>291392610He's making The Expression. This man is dead inside.
>>291392689did her booba got bigger?
>>291393460and outside when you think about it, just DED all around.
>>291393197Dead in a ditch, what do you mean?
>>291392689
anyone has the audrey intro pic?
>>291393197is this guy retarded? he got shot visiting that village to find the scroll, we all saw it, he's dead and now nu-kevin is writing the story.fucking speedreaders, jesus
>>291394395if only someone could make that a blank png
>>291393081so the baby grew up
>>291370893or it could mean when billy changes reality, the other earth gets destroyedit is left vague by urasawa, the acual method of changing the reality is subject to reader's interpretation
>>291395534I don't think it's simply picking a different possible path for Earththere's a definite element of wish fulfillment, because Billy can grant you something you never could have gotten without magic
>>291395686yeah, but alternate universe works like magicthere are versions of you that are impossible but exist, that's magic
>>291394714dude, its been a few days
test
>>291391154honestly billy deserves to get beaten the shit out of him, fucking dickhead of a bat
>>291392631He's...dead?F I guess, he's not the finest man in this manga, I can't even call him a good man, but still
>>291393081>>291394714...Chuck's son?
>>291393197Thanks OPKevin Yamagata is dead, duh
>>291396956It's weird how he's seemingly capable of altering the multiverse on a whim but at the same time seems limited in knowledge and scope.
>>291392689SEXOOOO
>>291393126Wow. This guy is still alive?
>>291392457>>291393386hatsushiBAT
>>291392610Hide the pain, Chuck
>>291394600
>>291392457I'm honestly shocked there's still more to this story, this page >>291369623 felt like the perfect way to cap it off.
>>291370430stop making comparison with a battle shonen, retardthere's no powerlevel nonsense in this seinen series
>>291392484>>291392495>Billy collapsed the Berlin wall
>>291392519Oh shit, that was ACTUALLY the Berlin Wall.
Boy I should could go for a Golden Cola right now
>>291393197dun dun DUNNN
where did OP go?does he only post one chapter per day?
>>291399756Fluctuates on their whim. Sometimes we get one chapter a day; sometimes more. If they miss a day, then it's a double-chapter dump
>>291387000The one with scared Jackie. Oh and I guess Kevin is there as well.
>>291392956>>291392974>>291392989>>291393009>>291393027>>291393047Wholesome
>>291398183baste
>>291387000I'm a fan of Volume 4 personally. Really puts passerby's into a false sense of security; if someone stumbles upon that cover on a bookstore they'd have ZERO clue of what they were getting into.
>>291325707is billy's head placement meant to look like a beard?
So we letting this thread die so OP can post a new one?
>>291401965it's not like it'd stop him from posting a new one anyway
who's the better protagonistyamagata or goodman?
>>291400839these days they would probably assume it's some kind of horror story>>291402104it's hard to decide because they're both really similarI think I'll go with Yamagatahe's somebody who stumbled onto a strange mystery, like a person standing before a vast oceanwhich gave the early manga this strange otherworldly impressionwhereas Goodman was, especially initially, depicted as half-paranormal himself, a demon-childyou could say he was created by the batYamagata is like an investigator, while Goodman was born into the occultthe flipside is that made the mystery feel a bit normalbut in the actual execution they don't differ that much
>>291402431goodman seems irresponsibleat least for me
>>291398183so zeta based, thank you homie
>>291387000I have to go with jackieso cute
>>291392631goodbye, sweet prince
Could an anime adaptation work?
>>291404305I think it could be cool. They could do something fun with how they animate/composite Billy whenever he shows up, make him really look like a comic book character that stepped into the real world so he looks super out of place.
>>291404305honestly, I think it would work better as a live action with only billy being animated.
>>291392495So another reminder Billy is usually just a voice.
>>291404516that part could work well, sureWho Framed Billy Batbut you would run into the issue of having to significantly age and de-age actors, or using different people for different time periodsand that always looks wonky
>>291325707>Dailythe cancer that's killing /a/
>>291404735>People actively reading and discussing a manga together>This is a bad thingSorry there's no coomerbait in here anon
>>291402104Oswald
>>291402104JACKIE
>>291402104Yamagata did stuff. Goodman has done nothing but get dragged to LA and annoyed into taking over Billy Bat
>>291404516>>291404708compromise: everyone else is rotoscoped while billy is freehanded
>>291408023everyone is animated in a traditional style while Billy gets impact frames and a spazzy camera
>>291408023>>291408228wait, I got: billy is a 3d clay sculpture animated by stop motion.
>>291404516Everyone is animated, but billy is played by a guy in a costume who gets inserted in post production
>>291408023Random aside, but this is how I always figured would be the only way to adapt Oyasumi Punpun, and the same goes for Billy Bat. There needs to be a clear distinction between the "real world" and the cartoony stuff. It's all about that contrast. Realistically I don't think it would ever happen after people lost their shit over Aku no Hana's animation style.
>>291409762why thoughhe just wants to be helpful
>>291409762>average gotham villain
>>291409762You can't win.
>>291409762>i hate that hedgehog!
>>291408023Alternative: everyone is animated but Billy is an actual live action bat.
>>291409762t.
>>291397203I think you can theorize billy as some kind of 4D creature, able to observe line, space, and time above the level of humanity, but isn't God or anything. There's a parallel to the chapter of real Chuck drawing the villain away in the time machine chapter of the comic. Billy works the same way, that a 4D being can just redraw time the way a 3D being can redraw a picture.
>>291400634>Those who know
>>291402104Goodman takes a while to get going, I think Yamagata starts way stronger and gets thrown into more crazy conspiracies, which makes him more involved from the get go
>>291396038The Berlin wall just came down, we've jumped to the end of the 80s, the 90s is days away.
>>291409762>scarecrow…
>>291392867>nobody close to that man is sad that he diedSee, this is where the whole Disney expy gets weird to me, because that was absolutely not the case with Walt. The whole company damn near collapsed without him, and was only barely scraping by until the late 80s. Animators were constsntly asking themselves what Walt would do when it came to animated projects, and it took until the Renaissance to shake out if that mentality. For all of Walt's faults and failures as a person, he sure as hell wasn't hated by the people around him.
>>291415251was Chuck even really hated, or did Audrey exaggerate because she personally hated him?during all the company and production meetings everyone always held him in high regardeven when they disagreed or argued, nobody ever attacked Chuck's character
>>291415362the suits on page 6 >>291392610 also seem pretty pleased he's out of the waythe company was declining while he failed to find a successor and shot down all their ideas
>>291415251I mean yes, Chuck is very obviously based on Disney, but that doesn't mean he needs to match 100% to the real guy. First and foremost he's Chuck Culkin, and he's written to fulfill the needs of the plot of Billy Bat first. Just took some inspiration of Walt Disney's history as a jumping-off point, that's all.
>>291415251>>291415962I personally found it pretty easy to separate Chuck from Disney on account of the whole secret Nazi thing. I think a more nuanced take on Disney the individual probably would've added too much to what's already a pretty loaded narrative, and this character seems to be more of a critique on the Disney Company's actions more than the person.
>>291415362Most people especially in those work meetings would have every incentive to butter up to Chuck and we've seen that he's very good at putting up a front. But we've also seen his true character slip out like with offhandedly treating Reagan like a personal lackey, getting annoyed by the JFK parade being at the same time as the Billy Bat hour, and then being pleased at JFK's assassination because he saw it as an opportunity for more business. And Audrey points out Chuck has multiple lovers he entices with promises of fame but really just pumps and dumps (we already see his bastard son living in a ghetto hood and later we see Timmy's mom die destitute) so she isn't wrong to point out that the ones closest to him aren't sad.
