Don't forget to put on your trusty tinfoil hat. You wouldn't want government electromagnetic waves reprogramming your subconscious with propaganda.>>291325707LAST
>>291418684
i need your lo- wait wrong manga
>>291418738Been a long time.
>>291419007THE NUMBERS MASON WHAT DO THEY MEAN
>>291418850>>291418869My shrewd and ruthlessly competent WAIFU.>>291418938Finny... you've aged.
>>291418684culkin's pointing at your inner hitler
ovaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>291419261????????????
>>291418881This went from being a Disney parody to straight up FNAF shit.
>>291418953Knowing this organization, those are all probably original Kevin Yamagata manuscripts lined up under the scroll. This is every personally penned bat not attached to a wall or a cave they could get. Now that I get a better look at the bat imagery, it's really just the components of his face split up and drawn separately, isn't it. I wonder if they'd lined up if you rolled the scroll just right.
>>291418953why does the drawing of the cliff no longer have a bat over it?
>>291419261Redemption arc!
>>291419261BEZOS, YOU AGAIN!
>>291419261Naniiii
>>291419523>I wonder if they'd lined up if you rolled the scroll just right.That might actually be the case, which is why it came to life during the ninja arc.
>>291419542I think that was in the bounded book copy that Kurusu obtained and Kevin Yamagata originally stumbled upon.
>>291419261https://youtu.be/yw7dlXrkrEU
>>291419261WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATGOD DAMN IT I CAN NEVER STOP SURPRISE READING THIS MANGAThanks OP
>>291419450>he doesn't know about the Disney tunnels
>>291419261I'm glad this is a daily forcing me to pace myself, because I'd be saying "one more chapter" every chapter otherwise.
>>291419054still as fat as ever though
>>291419261FUCKING ENTER
>>291418976This really looks like that guy who stabbed himself with the pen
>>291419261ENTER A SAVIOR?!
>>291419261What the fuck.
>>291418684This is easy the best cover
>>291423335>My one regret...>is I didn't...>kill more billy fanartists...
I wish the fuhrer were here....
ovaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>291423623THERE IT IS! The numbers, what do they mean?
>>291423623It's not happening, yet. But soon.
>>291423623Billy melts steel beams
>>291423623Hmm the numbers look familiar, I wonder what does it mean
I can't believe Kurusu's story ended and we never actually saw him do a karate chop
>>291418953heavy spoilerin the end the scroll was entirely meaningless, both for the characters and the plot
>>291423714Reminds me of that tragedy
>>291423742As usual, the bat shit was bat shit.
>>291423418and here I thought he was going to be redeemed, or at least mellow out a bit, after he met his son
>>291423438caprice wagon my beloved>>291423494smithu san..
>>291423742If the scroll had been destroyed like St Francis Xavier wanted, none of the story would have happened in the first place
>>291423623911? Why that's the emergency line! Why would the final secret be a phone number???? There's nothing else it could possibly mean!
>>291423846only because of the scroll itself, not because of the content
>>291418976Took them over 20 years to figure out they need to use the Japanese hiragana order to decipher the Japanese scroll, huh? If only they had Gary.
>>291424045I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the kanji numbers on the scroll don't line up with the Arabic numerals they got so I think they needed to do something extra to get anything meaningful out of it.
>>291423462Cissy's message worked?
>>291419261W H A T>>291418911Smug Billy balloons
>>291423494me when hunter x hunter comes off of hiatus
>Billy is seemingly omniscient>Billy can only speak with specific, seemingly arbitrary people>Billy needs his shape to be seen to communicate>Keeps relying on random cartoonists to spread his picture>Never try the Chuck Culkin route of becoming a hugely popular mascot so he has an easier time reaching out to people he needs>When he does speak, he just gives vague instructions about where to go and what to doSometimes, I wonder if he's deliberately making things hard for himself just for kicks.
>>291424095Yeah, they supposedly deciphered it (I mean for all we know it's still just another pair of random sequences that happen to end with the same numbers, since the numbers only have any meaning to us), but it's just funny that the breakthrough came when they applied the Japanese order to the Japanese scroll.
>>291424270It was the same when Gary "figured out" how the murders with the Japanese sword were done according to the Japanese calendar. It's just a joke since Gary was the murderer and that was just smoke and mirrors, but hey it's similar.
>>291423510jesus what a smug fucking face
>>291424228I don't think Billy is actually omniscient, I think he can only know things that his carriers know. It just doesn't matter when those people become carriers. Or rather, he was 'born' already knowing everything all his future carriers would come to know, including the things they realised about his own nature and what he can/can't do. But he still has lots of blind spots, especially about things that he never saw in previous timelines.
>>291424228Billy doesn't really have a problem with communicating with people, it's that the people he can communicate with are unwilling to listen to him. I chuck what he says being vague to him having a different perspective on the flow of time than we do.
>>291423494Hunter bro...
>>291423418Huge red flag.Red flag with a white circle and a black manji.
>>291423623Is this as hilarious in Japanese as it is in American?
>>291424387In the coming chapters we see Billy struggling with some real poor reception, as in non-existent. It's even visualized so you know how little choice he has.
>>291424387It's true that most of them don't want to listen because they don't want to think of themselves as crazy or because they don't want to think they can manipulate the world like a god, but it's also true that him being vague just makes things worse for the relationship
>>291424228The way I see it is Billy is extradimensional making him omniscient about stuff in the 3d world but having trouble directly contactig this world. Imagine if we as 3d beings saw a 2d world with a 3rd dimension being time. We'd see snapshots of the 2d world at different points in time and could find out literally everything that has and will happen in this 2d world, but reaching out it and telling its inhabitants this is a whole different ordeal. Alternatively, think of Blick Winkel in Ever17
>>291423418>Make this wish>His son got killwould be funny
>>291423371Artist genocide 2.0., LET'S GOOOOO!!!!!!!!
>>291423405>Swindling the IRSI heard enough, this man is a hero no matter what.
>>291423418Hitler really had that 10 CHA build.
>>291424228He was shown to be surprised at some of the character's actions and results in the past.It's clear that interferring with the world isn't as simple as we think it is. Blurting out everything and being clear might result in worse happenings down the line.
>>291424838According to Gary Gygax himself, Hitler had 18 CHA.Picrel is an actual excerpt from the AD&D DMG.
>>291419007Some random field in Northern Spain if you go by latitude/longitude
>>291418881oh great knowing this manga that room in the basement is going to have chuck culkin's frozen head and then the rest of the of it is pizzagate parties
>>291425422It probably is supposed to be the cave where humanity saw the bat for the first time, so yeah all in all the scroll was just a wild goose chase in a way.
>>291424525it's hilarious that it uses a modern gregorian calendar all of a sudden, where everything up until now was japaneseI know Billy is a magic 4D entity unbound by mere causality, but it still somehow strains my suspension of disbeliefor maybe it's the reduction of mysticismwe went from creepy ancient drawings to sudoku riddlesand of course just the date is useless as a warning anyway, so they needn't have bothered
>>291424381>>291424628much as I would like this to be true, I think in reality the author doesn't have a consistent model of how Billy works, and is simply bullshitting to maintain suspense
>>291425422congratulations, you've solved the mystery of "what could these coordinate-like numbers mean" years before the hyper-smart scientists willand my note about incongruous gregorian calendar applies twentyfold about the ancient scroll containing a GPS location
>>291423359>>291423579
>>291423371here you go, the bad guy motivation for this arca demented old guy mumbling "kill them all"I don't mean to rag on the post-moon manga all the time, but it's just so meaningless
kevin to kevin, smith to smith
>>291419261re-enter a savior
>>2914236996-9-9...?that anon must be having a threesome!it is as prophesied by moot when he was implementing the post numbering systemhe foresaw everything
>>291419261I'm lost, who is this guy again?
>>291426660The patent lawyer / assassin that fell off a cliff
>>291426660just a friendly American touristhe gives out Billy Bat patches to children, such a kind soul
>>291426437I mean, billy's not bound by time. he could very well have given these numbers knowing GPS will be invented in the future.
>>291426683copyright lawyer*
>>291426683>>291426687oh shit I couldn't recognize him
>>291426695I like "copyright assassin"that would be one hell of a business card
>>291420476yeah, but the copy had the creepy batin fact it's where we first saw it
>>291426787 (me)ah, okay, I misunderstood youso why does only the copy have the bat?also they did a cheeky thing where showing the scroll for the first time, I didn't even noticeI don't think the manga ever comments on the scroll again
>>291423371>>291423405>>291423418
>>291426437"coordinate like numbers " I mean this is a XVI century artifact them getting two decimals with ridiculous precession and one of them negative and saying, yup "that's it" is already crazy. No wonder them both ending with 20010911 is what caught their attention.
>>291423418he found a good doctor in mexico
>>291419261wtf... is him our hero or our anti-hero?
>>291419185>>291419199i don't know why but this kiddinapping scene is just funny lol
>>291427063Lmao i was thinking this one too
>>291419261his hope restored...
>>291423623LMAO, are you fucking kidding me?!
>>291427222okay, but it took them years to even consider itit's one thing if you don't know what to do with it, but the obvious action is to just check if maybe those are coordinates, exactly like anon didthen again, it would have been funny if they solved it earlier, and spent September 11 spelunking in Spain, waiting for something to happenI guess Billy also has a perfect grasp of the speed of humanity's riddle solving skills
>>291418881Ah yes, EPCOT
>>291419261AND THEY SAY THAT A HERO COULD SAVE US
>>291423623This reminds me of that one movie with Robert Pattinson where the twist at the end is the funniest shit
>>291428092more like utilidorshame, too, for a moment I thought the reveal would be that Chuck had been building a doomsday machine underneath the park
>>291423699>he doesn't believe in meme magicanon... i...
>>291419261>Devivie but didn't aged.So Devivie is really a time traveler now
Hitler told me to genocide a new age of artists
>>291418976lmfao he basically just drew Dr. Okun from Independence Day
>>291424095It took 50 years to find out what was behind the code letters of the zodiac killer
>>291429241Hitler will never
>>291423623https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1SojKfgNI
>>291423623This is the greatest fucking manga of all time, holy shit.
>>291423742the scroll has:>the encoded drawing of the bat. anyone who has access to that code, theoretically can draw and summon the bats, regardless of skill.>an ancient mayan thingy. the only thing i have no idea whats about.>a drawing of the moon. a clue about the third bat>the sequence of numbers. all numbers end with 20010911... i think i dont have to explain where are we going now... (we are here)so far, the scroll is not really a key to a big treasure or cosmic secret, it was never meant to give powers or anything as everyone else thought. its just a chronicle of key events, the bat hoped for people to see those events, but thats it.
>>291429345that's the dude from the comic shopthe one who wanted the ludicrously expensive issue of Captain Unknown
>>291430404"encoded drawing a of a bat" is a cosmic secret though, it gives real powerit is a grimoire that lets you summon a demoncave, moon are where you can meet the already summoned batsame ballpark as above, those are not references to eventsI still think the mayan scribble is a rocket engine, although why it's there I can't sayso far only 9/11 is about an eventmaybe the moon too if you're generous
>>291430404The scroll has the glyphs that make the bat, but only certain people can draw the bat. Those who cannot can do one of two things either go to the moon or go to the cave where the caveman drew the bat for the very first time during a specific astronomical event the other clues are about the cave. The Mayan thing is supposed to symbolize a rocket and physically going to the moon, does it not?
>>291430404>an ancient mayan thingy. the only thing i have no idea whats about.If you don't know what is it, why are you talking about it?The drawing is a "rocket".Actually, someone said it looked like a rocket and there is it.
Hitler sama....
>>291431208I miss u hortler
>>291426866It could be that whoever made that book copy drew the bat from the instructions in the scroll. Honestly I don't remember details about the book too well anymore other than Kurusu complaining that it's a fake that doesn't work. That's funny that Urasawa covered the scroll with a word bubble so you can't tell. Most people would probably assume it's the same.
>>291432046>It could be that whoever made that book copy drew the bat from the instructions in the scroll.unlikelythe instructions are for the Yamagata versionthe easiest way to tell is note that there is only one tooth in the component listyou can also see the prominent cheek if you look closely
>>291431375Fucking hell, the Jesus arc feels so long ago in retrospect. It's amazing how much crazier it's gotten since.
>>291431031The Mayans couldn't have possible come up with the concept of space rockets so this is dumb and silly. The only reason Urusawa included them was because the whole 2012 Mayan Apocalypse was still fresh in everyone's mind.
>>291418738I've missed you, original Kevin
>>291419261Fuckin what?
>>291433729>this is dumb and sillyYour saying that in a manga about a talking bat that connects all the biggest American conspiracy theories together? Ever heard of Erich von Däniken and ancient astronauts? Of course it's silly, but it's also a XVI century scroll that contains a encrypted message about 2001 09 11, your suspension of disbelief should be big enough to accept it at this point. There's a drawing of a bat on the moon for crying out loud.
>>291433729>The Mayans couldn't have possible come up with the concept of space rockets so this is dumb and sillyI don't see why they wouldn't. Every civilization has looked up at the stars wanting to go there, the idea of a ship that can travel through space isn't exactly an out there idea only conceivable by modern day. Now whether they actually created one is a different story, but making an art piece about it seems reasonable enough.
>>291423623Haven't seen it posted in awhile but no better time than now to post the thread theme.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faOUDoRmK_E
>>291436239Its silly and its not silly at the same when you think all the alter timelines ended around the same time and this one survived
>>291419261I'm so fucking happy we got to this moment
I re-read the first few chapters. did kevin kill his army friend or was that someone else? I dont have a good memory.
>>291438401it was Kurusu and co.they drugged Kevin, killed his friend, then convinced Kevin he did itit was a scapegoat tactic, their favourite
>>2914391339/11.........
>>291439340>>291439356Uncultured gaijin have yet to invent the 'tadaima' and get attacked in their own homes.
>>291439377>I almost hit my own son with a batKevin, I don't think you did.
ovaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>291439625thanks OPthere's that unique artstyle just for Billy that anons were workshopping in the last threadthe one to be used by a hypothetical adaptation, to clearly mark Billy as fictionalbehold, Scribbrilly Bat
any compilation of all the billy bats that were draw
>>291439625thanks
>>291423438Devivie vs prime Kurusu, who wins?
>>291439428Mommy continues to have no sense of danger
>>291439187was...has changed
>>291439133Is that the fucking Northern Territories
>>291439625Can the bat stop the vagueposting? Just say what will happen, jeezThanks OP
>>291428199Good Time??
>>291439202Ohhh shit. So this is what that painting was about.
>>291439751skibidi bat
>>291439444No wonder Anthony PARTED THE SEA to marry this waifu.
>>291423494Feels a bit like a death flag.
>>291430404all of that is irrelevant, because ALL of that information is being directly conveyed to the bat receiver people. And the image of the bat can be spread if other people see the bat being drawn by someone who can hear the bat.The scroll was maybe important in ancient times, but in the story we readers actually follow its meaningless
>>291423323as I suspected, he didn't actually dieknowing his personality, he'll always deceive people, faking his death and shit
>>291423335The rendering of Fake Chuck’s hospice bed is very impressive. The plastic curtain is just a drawing yet it’s so tangible.
>>291439202h*man in my billy bat comic?
>>291441840I mean things have been downhill ever since THAT happened
>>291443668The way Urasawa drew the background behind the curtain to be warped like that is so good.
>>291436239I can buy that that and eldritch abomination from the 5th dimension takes the form of a cartoon bat because they is what the human mind can handle and that it has taken an interest in guiding humanity for its own unknown reasons. But I draw the line at the Mayans knowing about fucking modern rocketry. Their knowledge of mechanics stopped at the wheel, there's simply no way for them to have conceived of it. I could buy it if they had made a drawing of like a Pyramid magically floating up to space orsm something.
>>291444032Granted it has nothing to do with the Mayans knowing about modern rocketry, it's about a Swiss writer reinterpreting ancient symbols as such. If ancient aliens is too much for you, you'll hate the bat's origin.
>>291423623huh didn't expect that numbergood job urasawa, you trolled us
was kevin urasawa's self-insert?they even have the same hairstyle
>>291444412huhconsidering Kevin B's later facial hair, which is an exact copies of that image of Urasawa, I would say yes
>>291444412>>291444497They have the same birth year too.
https://poll-maker.com/poll5878662xD72C419D-169
>>291444412I thought he was made to be more of an self insert
>>291439356A wooden BAT
>>291439404Foreshadowing.
>>291439444Trips for the power of Golden Cola!
>>291439456>Of causeDid Mangastream not have any proofreaders? This is ridiculous!
>>291439496>He used to sleep with a human-sized plushie of Billy Bat in the middle of our bed
>>291441840
>>291441840the world destruction is inevitable regardless whether kevin altering reality about that guy on the moon or not
>>291441840>Just say what will happenthe final chapter, since you know that was supposed to be the last one, but he avoided the ending
I miss judas
>>291439404
>>291445560niggastream was awful by almost every metric
>>291446621don't be ridiculousone is a dumb story about superhero ninjas and spiritual deities, the other is a serious work about... following an ancient bat from the moon...okay, but Naruto has magic summoning abilities conferred by scrolls, while Billy Bat has... hmfine, but at least Urusawa didn't have his manga happen in a chuuni village in the middle of nowhere... goddammityou know, maybe it's not too late for a crossover fic after all
>>291441846No, Remember Me
>>291439428Girl, get yourself some goddamn security.
>>291446960they do have securitybut she sent everyone on vacation while her husband is in Japan
>>291445179woops mistyped, I thought he was made to be more of an micheal jackson refrence, like how the previous kelvin was like the japanese actor
>>291441777trips of extreme luck and justice
Test
>>291439510Not even Kevin is safe from imposter syndrome.
>>291439625>9/11 was the actual end of the worldBaseball, huh?
>>291419261What the actual fuck
>>291423494I doubted him but he was a real fan a along
>>291423347>Tight enough that not a single microorganism will be able to get through?that's not really what he saysit should be>My ability to fight microorganisms is completely gone...meaning, he's immunocompromised due to canceror maybe cancer medication does that, I'm not a doctoralthough maybe the translator understood the phrase well but went for a liberal translation, hard to tell
>>291439254>I thought you looked like the guy in the lotteryit should be:>I thought you looked like the guy from the magazine photolottery obviously makes no sense
>>291441777>>291447234
>>291448667its okay he found a good doctor in mexico
>>291448868I HATE THAT BAT
>>291447085He does look uncannily like MJ before vitiligo
>>291449169hehe
>>291448667Thanks, I had a hunch this page was way off. Stuff like this is why I'm glad this series is getting an official TL now.
>>291448667I mean you can understand the reason either way
>>291448667>meaning, he's immunocompromised due to cancer>or maybe cancer medication does that, I'm not a doctorBoth can be true, depending on the kind of cancer.
>>291451120Well no if you read the former it leaves open the interpretation that he's just gone full Howard Hughes, the latter is definitively "I am dying of something"
>>291439444Golden-Cola ads? In my heckin mangareeno?
>>291439625lmao he dont know what to do with his life, just like us. stupid black bat
>>291418684Bump
>>291454433oh shit
>>291454520SENSEI!
>>291455050Can't wait for the raws anon to tell us exactly how the translators fucked up this time.
>>291454975Cut the LARP, Johan Hayashima.
>>291455122John*
>>291455024Interesting how he is a bat here.
>>291455164What Billy actually deserves is some meds.
actually, top 5 of the best chapters of the series is the next oneovaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>291454960so the bat can't actually change the past, huh
>>291455078I don't like this version
>>291455079surprisingly littlethe translation in the last panel is correctthey just pasted it twice instead splitting it between the two text boxesalso, reading the bat comic pages in the original handwriting makes me want to commit seppuku myself
>>291454637this fat kid XD
>>291455127guess the singapore one is dead
>>291454433I KNEW Michael Jackson was a time traveler!
>>291455207Oh yeah the alternate timeline of Kurusu. A nice daydream of "what if" coming up.
>>291454637This man singlehandedly enslaved like half your village and killed the mayor in cold blood. Shouldn't you bit a more upset?
>>291455215If he had done that the earth would've been toast. Better to not put that idea into Shishous head.
>>291446621>>291446720You guys aren't ready for the return of the ninjas and Hitler
>>291455024>>291455050>>291455078what the fuck does this mean!?
>>291456607every1 ded
>>291456607That's fuhrer's last painting
>>291456754
>>291454520Wait. How the fuck did he even come back?
>>291455164fucking billy
Does Urasawa have a fetish for German girls?
>>291456579and then hitler says no, just like obitowhy do narutards keep using this panel where naruto failed persuading his opponent?
>>291446621>>291446720actually, urasawa's storytelling and story execution are closer to bleach than narutofirst we're given some crazy shit going on, making us wondering what the fuck's going on, then we're given a reveal that makes the readers shout "oh of course" or "now it all makes sense"both kubo and urasawa are good at executing the twists, not kishi though, he's gay
>>291455050>>291455078So is this implying everyone was already dead and he's simply leaving the planet, instead of bring the one causing the apocalypse?
>>291423472>working on a new comicFUJIPONTARO
>>291459359It's not about Obito accepting it and it's making fun of Naruto
>>291423623this revelation is actually making want to collapse
>>291454960unironically the best comic within this comicshishou i kneel
>>291455164>>291455176jfc that's the moon bat he's been talking to shouldn't kevin have enough information by now to believe there's 3 bats?
>>291455164
>>291454637is this kid supposed to be an adult with a child personality or is he a literal child?
>>291460039He's just a fat kid who loves manga
>>291455164See this is why Kevin isn't Michael Jackson, Michael wouldn't have cared if he was black or whiteAAAU!
>>291455164fuck you billy, I literally remember you told kevin to draw and now you say you didn't
>>291459834I don't think so, moon bat and earth bat are separate entitiesone bat can't be at two places at the same time, talking to kurusu and kevin at the same time
I think that Billy isn't omniscient, but he does exist outside of time and space on a higher plane of reality, and everything seems to be happening for him at once.He's ultimately limited to the viewpoints of people who can see him, but that still lets him see the future and know important historical events.
>>291454975It's actually "sudoku", you ironic weeb
>>291461314in judas flashback you see two billyseach billy tried to prevent the other bat from persuading judasI would assume if one bat is persuading kevin, then the other bat would appear in front of kevin too which end up with two bats appearing right before kevin's eyes
>>291457738He's just trying to flee from him, maybe sensei came back after he realized Devivie stopped chasing him
>>291454520s-sensei!!!
>>291454637people completely miss the point of this page, as expectedthe kid obviously knows that this guy deserves to die, but it's another thing to kill someone defenseless no matter how justified you are.
>>291459167but best girl in this one is (half) japanese (and second best girl is quarter japanese)
I HATE THE BAT
>>291459893FUCK YOU BILLY
>>291459834I don't know, DO YOU?I genuinely don't know
>The bat got OP by correcting his dump scheduleOh no...
>>291463225NERD!
>>291463350Fucking bat...
>>291463350It's funny to see him standing there.
OVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>291463137If only he had artistic talent and could drew the bat.
>>291459359
>>291463373Thanks OPI don't get it
>>291463529Basically this.
>>291463568NTA, but that makes no sense. Kevin drew an end-of-the-world as if everyone died. But Billy here implied it would be more like erasing the entire planet/universe.Then there is of course the canon ending to the manga, which mentioned it was some sort of poison gas attack, but that happened far off in the future and in america
>>291463607That would've happen if Kurusu made his wish, but he didn't, Kevin rewrote it, whatever that means.
>>291463607Kurusu said he wanted the world to end with him, so that's what's being pictured.How metaphorical is this? Is the bat physically flying off the planet? Probably not. But, we just don't know. It didn't happen.
>>291446720The difference is, Billy Bat characters don't have superhero powers with laserbeam superman shit, they're all just average human being like what you see in real life.Coupled with government's conspiracy, CIA, FBI shit which also just like real life.
>>291463607>>291463861ending spoilersI wish the ending had something, anything at all with Billy's ultimate goal or meaning of existence, and dealt with his decision/need to leave the planetdoes he care about humanity, or is he just stuck with them? why was he so adamant to influence the events so much?that would have been a fitting conclusion to the storyinstead the ultimate moral is "draw, nigga" and some wank about how having a bat in your heart and on your fabric makes us all brothersthere's also some stuff about how humanity should fix its own mistakes or choose its own future, but it completely doesn't fit because 99.9999% of humanity isn't even aware of the real Billy and wasn't looking to it for guidance to begin with
>>291463373thanks OPI'll be the dissenting voice here and say I didn't like this chapterall wish fulfillment illusions are the samethe reader figures out it's all a dream around page 3, and immediately knows the entire rest of the chapter is going to be a waste of time until the character finally wakes upor dies, in the case of KurusuI don't think it's an interesting perspective on the mind of Kurusu eitherhe's just generically the best at everything and liked by everyone, the way it always works with wish fulfillment dreamsI suppose I should give him points for not ending WW2 singlehandedlyeither way, I don't see the narrative purpose of this chapter, we already knew the world would have been fucked if Kurusu hadn't changed his mindeven the bat flying away from the earth was already in some earlier chapter
ITS THAT DAMN BAT!
>>291463333>>291463350>>291463365what!? >>291463568I still have no idea what that means. I might be simple.
>>291463350Oh... so it was just a sweet dream
>>291463267Live...
>>291465301if Kurusu made his wish, the Earth would be kaputbut the bat promised Kurusu that, just before Earth ended, the bat would show Kurusu the life Kurusu wantedit wouldn't be "real", just a mirage for Kurusu to experiencebut that was the way Billy would have granted the wishultimately, Kurusu didn't choose to do itbut this entire chapter is a "what if" scenario, showing what Kurusu would have seen if he really had made the wish
>>291463284The cool Billy
>>291461531No but like, from the past, muh finite earths, so how did he scrollpost and come backHow do you even go back in time- what
>>291463267live!... become DrawPunch Kiyoshi
>There ain't nothin' I can't do! Except make your wish come true without destroyin' the Earth, that is!Piece of shit bat
Bump
>>291463350Lmqo
>>291463245>>291463265>>291463267>Father climbs the factory ranks instead of a dirty commie. >Nationalistic ideals rather than commie anti-emperor nonsense.>Everyone involved have much more fulfilling and better lives.>Canonically considered the best timeline.Based Urasawa.
>>291465939>but the bat promised Kurusu that, just before Earth ended, the bat would show Kurusu the life Kurusu wanted>it wouldn't be "real", just a mirage for Kurusu to experienceI don't think it was an illusion anon, i think billy actually rewind time to give him his best life (dad is a responsible man rather than an idealist communist, supporting his son talents) and then once it was over he leaves.We just saw fractions of his life which is why it looks to the reader as an illusion, but kurusu lived through it until the end.
>>291463365This is the part i don't understand, even reading all of it.In the end...the bat just hated his job as an administrator and wanted to quit, didn't he? He leaves but we see earth still exists, it wasn't destroyed, rewinding time simply freed him from his job.The bat can't be trusted, neither the white and black, it just keeps telling lies to further his grand plan which is to leave earth. Just like how it kept telling Oswald/Kevin Yamagata/Kanbei/etc etc how they were going to become a hero/lord/king/etc but in the end, all they did was make sure the next person that could see billy doesn't die, and lead history to someone (in this case kurusu) asking the wish to the moon bat.
>>291471466I don't think soas you can see here >>291369403, Billy says he will have something nice happen "just for Kurusu" (特別に), and "just for a moment" (一瞬だけ)both imply this is an irregular, and fleeting, treatment, not a normal wish-grantingand, well, we know from how wishes work that Billy couldn't make the alternative life happen for real, that would have required a spare Earth that isn't there
billy bump
You know I've been thinking about it and Billy Bat has a lot in common with persona 2>Both are about a supernatural being that can affect reality through humans (the manga, rumors)>Both have the stakes being "total apocalypse">Both main characters had/have a love interest that are/were whores>Both are only known as "that thing with Hitler in it"
>>291464600I'd agree but the end was enjoyable enough for me to still see it as a good chapter
>>291463153>>291463225>he just wanted to be an animator Holy shit, he's evil Tezuka.
>>291475732>hitler wanted to be a painter>karate chop wanted to be an animatorMaybe Nazi Chuck was onto something. We need to kill all artists.
>>291465939It's kind of a nice moment. We know it wasn't real, but at least for the duration, Kurusu got to have some of the happiness he spent his whole life searching for and would have destroyed the planet for it he could. That his suffering and effort bore some fruit, even if it was just a passing fantasy of what could have been, he got to live some of his happy life and experience what he dreamt he could have
>Kiyoshi just wanted to be an artist>Hitler just wanted to be an artistSo it's going to turn out that all the other realities were destroyed because random people wanted to rewrite history so they would be good at drawing, isn't it?
>>291476067>We need to kill all artists.The problem isn't artists, it's aspiring artists who lack the Divine Spark that caused all that trouble. The NGMIs of the world. Nothing changes a man quite so much as realizing that you lack the "certain something" that allows you to create "art". You can put lines on the paper and mimic the works of others well enough, but your works always lack the spark that embodies the expression of the human soul. It's an abstract kind of hell knowing that, no matter how much time you spend drawing and in spite of all the time you've already spent trying, you'll never make it.
>>291476574>Kurusu got to have some of the happiness he spent his whole life searching for and would have destroyed the planet for it he could. That his suffering and effort bore some fruit, even if it was just a passing fantasy of what could have beenwell, except, and I hate to rain on the parade, it didn't happen, even as a fantasythis whole chapter is just Kevin drawing a comic of what Kurusu would have seen, if he had made his wishbut in the end Kurusu didn't choose to experience itand even Kevin only saw this fantasy in the form a sketch comicthat we read it in reality-vision is entirely for the reader's convenience, literally no-one in the manga saw what we've seenKurusu did achieve some inner peace, but it was by sitting on the Moon, thinking his father would be proud of him, and looking at the tranquil Earth
>>291476906let's not get overly dramatic, hereeverybody can createevery kid drew something when they were youngI bet you had fun back then, anonyou can go back to it
>>291477416>>291369403
>>291477537that was if Kurusu acceptedbut he didn'tthe current chapter spells it out multiple times, and even on the last page Kevin plainly says that it was what was supposed to happen, but he denied itI frankly don't see how it can be interpreted differently
did all the previous earths have someone go to the moon and make a wish?
>>291476906I'd read it more in terms of self-expectations. Hitler wanted to go to a super prestigious art school. Kurusu's fantasy had himself as a superstar artist and animator. Neither were content to simply make art. They also had to have prestige. Contrast them with (MAJOR SPOILER) Punished Kevin Yamagata who continued to draw after losing his hands and chose to pursue what interested him (fucking Fuji Pontaro of all things). So perhaps it depends on how each person interprets what it means to "make it." For some it's becoming a globally famous hit. For others it's just they have some story they need to get out of their head no matter what.
>>291463281>Survives an air raid>>291463289>has the fucking beret>>291463292>even has the most blatant Astro Boy expy possibleHe really is just alt universe Tezuka.
>>291471817According to Einstein, there isn't another Earth left, so if Kurusu's wish was granted, time will still be rebound but it would lead to destruction. I think that's what Billy meant by that it would be fleeting.
>>291465368>>291464600dream?it's real, niggait's the whatif scenario where kurusu made a wish, he gets his wish granted, and then earth gets destroyed because it's the last earth with no other alternate earths
>>291476906>>291478352broader than art, art's just one facet of the desire to create at all costs. it's like when the military industrial complex creates a new weapon system and names it after a Lord of the Rings thing with zero self-awareness. the overwhelming urge and desire to leave a mark on the world through any means necessary, even when creation becomes destruction
Kevin 2 is really boring.
>>291479227yes, he kinda does literally nothingyamagata at least was brave and did something
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>>291479377Is this a joke? Kevin 1 had zero agency, he spent the majority of his time running away. Getting him to do literally anything was like pulling teeth until the very last second. Kevin 2 actually gets shit done.
>>291479489KEIKAKU DORI
>>291479530I saw goodman saying "no" to avoid responsibility more than I saw yamagata
>>291479518I wonder if this page is a bit of Urasawa talking to himself.
>>291478877Ah, I see totally understand now
>>291479530Yamagata took the initiative to go investigating in Japan twice and going to Dallas to stop Oswald. Most of his downtime was offscreen, timeskipped, and his schizo breakdown was entertaining. Goodman just made some grafitti versions of old bat works and then sat around with writers block before warping reality with meme magic. He's too cool with the bat to the point that it gets a bit boring.
>>291479518Thanks OPKEVIN YOU HAVE ONE JOB
>>291479137how did the fake billy bat artist know the towers were gonna fall despite not being able to see the bat?
>>291479233>patrol cares>>291479473ENTER
>>291464532White Billy sympathizes with humans and thinks they can sort themselves out if they're nudged in the right direction, so he tries to land them a hand when he canBlack Billy is sick of watching humanity and wants to speed up its demise so he doesn't have to babysit it anymoreOriginally the Billies were all one so I guess the black and white ones were born from mixed feelings the original bat had
>>291481128Is the other way around
>>291481146Oh wellIt doesn't really matter which is which
>>291480532 He predicted the future literally by just paying attention to the news. Not sure if I remember it correctly but I think it's hinted Goodman accidentally does the same thing at times when he loses contact with the bat
>>291479137that reminds me of the people who think just because Trump became president(again) ww3 was about to happen. Everyone is always freaking out about the end of the world, and in the end, it's nothing. Sure some minor wars happen here and there, the luxury life the common people had is gone, but we're far far far from the doom everyone expected to happen
>>291479473>come with me if you want to live
>>291481962Weird point to make when the stability of the world took a nosedive as a direct result of the towers falling and has yet to recover. If anything it's still going downhill. If things got dramatically worse over say, a major disruption of oil distribution, this could very well all be seen as the prelude to another world war by future historians. Crimea was seen as "a minor war happening here and there" until it resurfaced as a 4 year two week special operation. History takes time to unfold and by the time it's recognized it's too late to stop. But in the internet age if it doesn't keep up with headlines it's a nothingburger.
>>291482041See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Wars always happened. Economy was eventually going to go down to a more average level, it was only a matter of time, it was unironically a bubble. The towers did nothing, trump did nothing, Putin does nothing(to the world), N.Korea does nothing.Whatever bad thing is going to happen the next 50 years, it would happen regardless of single events or people.Did you know there was a time where people only were able to eat meat once per week? And now people complain if they can't have steak every single day, it's silly how spoiled we became.
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>>291482150You're a retard in the exact opposite way. That's the worst kind of fatalism. The world and history operates on a sine curve but if you push a sine curve out it only snaps back and causes upheaval.
If you were on the moon, what would you guys wish for?
>>291483340I'd wish I wasn't on a shithole like the moon.
>>291483340what's the point, the world's gonna end
>>291483355>>291483403You gotta answer according to the spirit of the question, otherwise your favourite cartoon character gets kicked in the balls (or face if inapplicable, or wherever it hurts) by your most detested cartoon character.
>>291483340It is the last earth, so past cannot be changed. It is past the timeline all the previous earths had, so Billy is out of knowledge of the events to comeThat cosmic horror entity can affect both time and space, and grants any wish, so I would wish it to become my most loyal ally and bestest friend in human senseSo using its otherworldly powers (and my creativity as human, because bat is really retarded and self-limiting) I would become the real prophet, unite humanity under my benevolent dictatorship, transform humanity into next cultural and political stages (ai post scarcity mdma-like heig consciousness utopia?) and help Billy to fuck off where that cosmic horror wants to go through scientific advancement that comes from global planetary society being stable and investing heavily and fundamental scienceActually, very easy to do with bat’a clairvoyance, omnipresence, time transcendence and suchLast earth will be paradise and more
>>291479193arnold looks based
>>291483340billy blowjob
>>291479097>>291479109>Wait, so what I draw is real?>Nigga you literally just drew the fucking fall of the Berlin WallSomething about how direct Billy is here cracks me the fuck up
>>291483774is there a place rich people can really get the stereotypical hyper-competent butler with English mannerisms?if I was loaded I definitely would want to hire oneas well as nubile young girls in maid uniforms
>>291484469What about hyper competent women in butler uniforms and nubile boys in maid outfits?
>>291471350Thats why its a dream that did not and will not happen. Literally impossible without bilyl bat magic hax. Now I kneel Urasawa.
>>291484469There are butler schools, hiring agencies, hr assistants and such. What we rich people have is abundance of money, what we also have is scarcity of time. There are many many people out there willing to trade their time for good money, even if it’s theatrical in natureFrom my experience, humans would rather be cute maids to a rich charismatic gentleman, than work night shifts at McDonald’s or decompose while managing excel spreadsheets
>>291476906This. Losing the one thing you wanted to do the most really fucks you up.
>>291483340The destruction of everything so there will never be anything again. Here i come Ain. May chaos take the world n shieeet.
>>291479109>Bitch, we are already past the point of proving supernatural shit!
>>291479377He LITERALLY saved the world!
>>291479473Henry is geuninely top tier at his job. It's insane.
>>291479377He draws
>>291484998yeah I get itit's just that a school for how to serve seemed a little at odds with the current times, where everybody must be treated as equals in all thingsall in all probably a better life choice than a useless theoretical degreealso>we rich peoplepost custom silverware
>>291480152>Yamagata took the initiative to go investigating in Japan twice and going to Dallas to stop OswaldHe was dragged kicking and screaming into Dallas. When Billy told him to end things in Japan he ran the fuck away to be a drunk.
>>291485917>custom silverwareYou are thinking in terms of old money, pre-travelling, where you invested in physical goods to store in your castle museum. Why invest in custom objects, when you can experience all styles at whim and bathe in novelty just renting out houses, villas and mansions all over. Jewelry, health, creation, networking and experiences are the most fulfilling ways to spend money>seemed a little at odds with the current times, where everybody must be treated as equals in all thingsDidn’t stop the Epstein, did it? Equality is for the lower classes to focus on fighting other genders/races/classes/political sides instead of raising your head up demanding change from aboveThat’s all I will say, thank you op for posting, I enjoy reading Billy bat with you silly people
>>291484998I appreciate that you value 4chan enough to spend some of your meager reserves of spare time here.
>>291439444Trips of based black mom.
>>291479518Thank you for posting!
>>291491119You're welcome, it's me, the real OP!
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>>291479473Devive is so funny, the guy who LOOKS like he's a Walt Disney pencilneck lawyer actually being the fucking Terminator is hilarious
>>291492989>not recognizing your good pal and host OP, of The OP Faggot Hour and creator of OP Land
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