Kaiten camrip is out >https://nyaa.si/view/2169089 Now we discuss Rebellion/Kaiten plot points that never where explained. I'll start >Who the FUCK was the 15th Clara Doll Ai? >So... Homura WON? LOST? TIED?>Is LoC some kind of automaton now? Does she fucking HATE Homu?>Has Homu really gotten BENCHED by Madoka and she finally returned to the LoC?>Is Choka really a rape victim?>How old is Selma? Why did it look like she was another nun from Wasu's church?>Did /a/'s favorite movie Rebellion amount to nothing after all?
>>291450102I hear Nagisa is based in this movie and that's so cool.
>>291450102I enjoyed the camrip but now I need to see it in theaters, hopefully soon...
>>291450102>How old is Selma?I have no idea. In her flashback she's a nun, but in Marguerite's flashback the selma/choka lookalikes are specifically named "EnÃo Terez" and "Shi Pleide." Choka's flashback also seems to be a modern setting so her being a nun in the middle ages doesn't make sense either. Really confused about this.
>>291450102The dolls are really cool and I wish they got more focus. It would probably be a huge pain in the ass to animate them with focus character fidelity, though, so I understand why they leave them in the background most of the time.
>>291450102>Who the FUCK was the 15th Clara Doll Ai?No idea>So... Homura WON? LOST? TIED?Homura repelled wasu's invasion, BTFOs the LoC again, conviced the PMHQoids that a devil is necessary and Madoka lives inside her.Homura WON... for now>Is LoC some kind of automaton now? Does she fucking HATE Homu?Yes and yes>Has Homu really gotten BENCHED by Madoka and she finally returned to the LoC?Madoka Is Homura's property now>Is Choka really a rape victim?Not yet>How old is Selma? Why did it look like she was another nun from Wasu's church?No Idea>Did /a/'s favorite movie Rebellion amount to nothing after all?No
Hopefully we don't get another rerun of the Steins;Gate fanboy samefag show where he pretends to be 25 different people disappointed with the movie for some reason.
>>291450788>Not yet
>>291450788>Homura WON... for nowhomu won a defensive battle, she still has to go on the offensive to win the war. wish her luck
>>291450817He'll be in this thread before long
How is this franchise still going when it has no substance beyond the first 12 episodes?
Do we really need constant template threads
>>291450919Madoka Rebellion has more substance than everything in the Science Adventure series put together
>>291450919>>291450955Samefag
>>291450919Back so soon? There's a Steins;Gate thread up already.
>>291450102>>Who the FUCK was the 15th Clara Doll Ai?Some nonsense people got obsesses with in the hiatus that never meant anything.>>So... Homura WON? LOST? TIED?Undecipherable.>>Is LoC some kind of automaton now? Does she fucking HATE Homu?Yes, explicitly said her taking Madoka turned it into that.>>Has Homu really gotten BENCHED by Madoka and she finally returned to the LoC?Undecipherable.>>Is Choka really a rape victim?If she's not she will be soon.>>How old is Selma?Enough.>>Why did it look like she was another nun from Wasu's church?LMAO ask the 50% of the movie they cut.>>Did /a/'s favorite movie Rebellion amount to nothing after all?No.
>>291450987He likes shitting on other shows more because S;G fags are just like that for some reason
>>291450817>>291450877>>291450987It's so simple for mods to ban this guy. Why isn't it done? The one that tries to summon shitposting.
>>291451031Just weather the storm, the jannies aren't gonna do shit.
>>291451031>Why isn't it doneIt is done on occasion. The thread that got nuked had a few of his posts deleted too before the purge if you check the archives. Sadly it's very easy to circumvent bans. They'd have to ban an entire region and it might not be enough, and they won't do that for one thread-confined shitposter (they did for a guy posting CP on /sp/).
Madoka fatigue
>>291451031Because the Steins;Gate fanboy is the actual shitposter.
>>291450987I never even finished S;G. Take your meds.
>>291451098I was tired of Steins Gate and its shitty fans years ago. Go back to your thread.
The shitposter that meta complains about the S;G guy is the shitposter that needs to be banned.
>>291451237Shut up and go back to your Steins Gate thread. Your fanbase are the biggest cry bullies on the planet.
Why are Green and Wasu saved by Madoka again if the point was that they still had grudges on Earth so they could escape the LoC? Why does Wasu regain her memories this time but not before when Madoka healed all her witches individually already? Why does Madoka hugging Green work now when it apparently wasn't enough the first time?
>>291450542Glad you enjoyed it anon.
>>291451307Who knows? It's probably not really important. Will Wasu and the others even appear in future movies? I wouldn't be opposed to it, but that doesn't seem to be what the ending is indicating.
I will side with Selma and she will give sex and cuddles at night.
>>291451128>concept movieShe just danced. The concept movie was about Selma, Choka and the concept of being able to read Witch Runes. >The first poster was of MadokaThe last poster was also Madoka and it has nothing to do with what I said. But now you mentioned it, the first poster feels like referencing Walpurgis flashback but with Homura pov added. >>291451222Indeed. That movie was horrible. >>291451249>we certainly don't need Homura either, nor any other members of the quintetWalpurgisnatch is a celebration of Witches and Devils. Removing the single Devil left is mean!I wouldn't mind this movie being before Rebellion even if it wasn't by this single aspect only. However they had this idea immediately later so it can't be helped bruh. >If the premise of the movie is "girls who cannot be saved by the Law of Cycles"The premise of the movie isn't exactly that.
>>291451373If we are to assume that Kaiten isn't so butchered as to fail even the most basic of visual storytelling and direction then at least Selma not getting a resolution, and the camera being on her while Wasu says Homura is the only Devil that exists, should be a clear indication that she'll be back as a villain again. She's a much better devil than Homura honestly.
>>291451549>Kaiten isn't so butchered as to fail even the most basic of visual storytelling and directionYou mean like ignoring the last shot we see of Kyubey in Rebellion?
I just want Madoka to actually tell the others if she wants to be saver or she wants to save others to their face instead of the constant push and pull.
>>291451549Reading this gave me a boner.
>>291451549>spoilerHomura isn't really evil anyway, that whole schtick is just in reference to her relationship with Madoka's godhood. Homura is essentially just being dramatic by dressing herself up as this demonic figure. So yeah, she makes a terrible devil in that sense. In terms of morality, she's actually very good aligned even if you take into account her selfishness. She's just emo...
>>291451549>fail even the most basic of visual storytelling and directionDon't project S;G's flaws onto other series please.
>>291451651She does feel guilt regardless of if her actions are right or wrong. Just doens't let guilt overcome her wish to make Madoka happy no matter what.
>>291451471Kyubey is closer to the classical role of a devil, that being one who contacts with witches to grant power, than Homura. She sort of takes up that role but not really and that whole subplot is rendered moot anyways. Remember that Satan and Lucifer were not always one in the same. Moreover, in universe, magical girls and witches have more in common with each other than Homura, who is a transcendental existence. The premise of the movie is a confused mess even when you try to distill it down to focus on the new characters and excise it from the main plot as much as possible.
>>291451657That's all those fans know how to do.
>>291451754>Kyubey is closer to the classical role of a devilKyubey is in the role of Mephistopheles as in Faust. Madoka doesn't follow the clasical role, but Faust's one. Funnily, Choka even jokes about it in the movie.
>>291451821I can't seem to recall the part where Faust punches out Mephistopheles and shows up his boss with a "now THIS is how you rebel against god".
>>291451744Right, I agree. It's all a matter of self perception. Homura views Madoka as an inimpeachable paragon of virtue, and so of COURSE reviles herself as evil for defying Madoka. Part of sorting out that conflict would have to be some sort of revelation that Madoka isn't incapable of making mistakes, and that would require some heavy Madoka focus. Which we... hopefully get... at some point...
>>291452038It's not even that she begrudges Madoka for making that wish; Homura blames herself for putting Madoka into a position where she has to sacrifice herself to solve the dilemma; it would have never happened if Homura wasn't such a fuckup.
>>291450837Chouka will be brutally punished for attacking Madoka
>>291451549Selma had a sad, defeated and understanding expression on her face though. Like hiding out of shame after a tantrum.
>>291452160I never said she begrudges Madoka, we are in agreement. Homura places all the blame on herself, which isn't realistic. Most of it is actually on Kyubey, but apparently this idea is somewhat contentious somehow. Homura is obviously too hard on herself. Madoka made a choice while under immense pressure and achieved a somewhat favorable result, but was it the best of all possible choices and the best of all possible results? It remains to be seen. It's unfair of Homura to treat Madoka as though she were perfect and herself as an abject fool, unfair to both herself and Madoka.
>>291452295I was agreeing with your agreement on all points. There is a group of people (those who don't understand Rebellion) who believe that Homura harbors resentment towards Madoka's self-sacrificial nature when it is at most frustration and otherwise contrarily something she admires as Madoka's strength.
>>291451754>Remember that Satan and Lucifer were not always one in the sameAs far as the Old Testament is concerned Satan is a generic title for anyone who takes on the role of an adversary in a prosecutional sense and Lucifer is another name for Venus. Satan doesn't become a proper character until the Gospel and he's not identified as a fallen angel until a fair bit later IIRC.
>>291452389My bad, I interpreted the "not" statement as though it were framing something that I had said instead of just being how you wanted to frame your thought.
>>291452291>Like hiding out of shame after a tantrumBrats who get punished should throw an even harder and bigger tantrum.
>>291452160>it would have never happened if Homura wasn't such a fuckupExcept it would have because Walmart was always attracted to Madoka. No that's totally not a nonsense retcon they added to parry the "why didn't Homura bring Madoka somewhere else" criticism fifteen years late. Madoka was always a special chosen one and we were always at war with Eurasia.
S;G fags complaining about retcons is some hypocrisy.
>movie repeatedly shows Madoka bringing peace and tranquillity and relief to the new girls by channelling her LoC powers and understanding the pain they went through and letting them know they're not alone>but Madoka reuniting with the LoC which now lacks this human element so it would let her bring this salvation to others again is bad because ???
Selma's devilish hip.
>>291452530Good and bad don't really factor. It's more of a civil dispute between Homura and Madoka concerning their personal beliefs and the rest of the universe is caught up in it until they can hash it out, lol
Is the camrip watchable or better to wait for webrip?
>>291452576It's not completely horrendous, but if you are a stickler for image quality, you should wait.
Homura is such useless girl. Wish this is was last movie and last scene meant the Madoka's solution.Put Homura to sleep forever.
I liked Choka, I thought her scenes were good. I don't know why the subs were so inconsistent with what her name was. I didn't mind Wasu either, I thought her dramatic nature was fun.>>291452576It's watchable, but there are some scenes where it's hard to see what's going on, generally when it's bright.
>>291452657Shitposting aside, that could be a cool setup for a future installment. The sleeping demon that could shake the foundations of the universe being awoken by some unsuspecting girls. Imagine an entire season of completely new characters having their little drama in Madoka's paradigm and then some silly girl tries to see too far into the fabric of things and ends up disturbing something she shouldn't have and it all comes tumbling down once again.
>>291452426I can see how my phrasing caused that misunderstanding.
>>291452763>The sleeping demon that could shake the foundations of the universeShe doesn't just shake, she ruins everything. That's why Homura is better dead.>that could be a cool setup for a future installment.The main series rely on Homura making mistakes and failing until they get bored until the last movie. All now it's dumbed down to "saving a damsel in distress". This movie should have been the last movie.
>>291452576Only retards (everyone in this thread except for me) would watch it for the first time in camrip
>>291450102>How old is Selma?I don’t give a damn HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>291450102What a shit follow up to Rebellion. Urobutcher proved himself to be more of a hack than i thought with this script, even though Fate/Zero and Psycho Pass were also shit
>>291450102
>>291453167Why did autogynephilia take off so much online in recent years? Every would-be nerd is a transwoman now.
>>291453145>Urobutcher proved himself to be more of a hack than i thought with this script, even though Fate/Zero and Psycho Pass were also shitUrobutcher said that he didn't have much new ideas and just followed Doroinu's ideas.I like kaiten but one of the things more i dislike is that they promoted screenplay by Urobuchi and story by magica quartet.They should have added Urobuchi+Doroinu so i don't have high expectatives.
>>291453244Because people can be their real selves now
>>291450599It has to be in the middle ages, the witch is well known for many magical girls. It had build enough curse to become a hurricane in the eyes of humans.
>>291453278You should've told me Steins;Gate was written by a hack so I wouldn't have had too high expectations.
>>291450102>Who the FUCK was the 15th Clara Doll Ai?Wasn't it Homura herself?
>>291453372How can i tell you that if i have not even seen steins gate?
>>291453372Sorry anon, I would've let you know if I could.
Homura dreamed she won, but she woke up benched.>Why are the trains so fancy now?>Are they inside the LoC or something?>Will the final film be a battle between the LoC/girls and Kyubey/witches?
>>291450102Is this yuri?
>>291453671It's het
>>291453671No, it’s not lycoris recoil
Incredible how mexico understood more the movie than /a/
>>291453671It's unironically not and it's the most maddening thing about it. They're all just fucking straight (but not enough not to bait otakus with lolicon in the opening and keeping things ambiguous), and the one with big tits even has a pretend child now. It's the most cowardly series fucking conceived because they to want to push it as a kid friendly anime. And now they've relegated the most interesting character and arc into irrelevancy. Fuck Shaft.
>>291453244>EveryYou're just discombobulated because of how myopic a view the internet provides of the human race. It's not every person, it's not even most people - you are speaking of a vanishingly small minority of people. They just also happen to be very loud and annoying in online spaces, so they take up a disproportionate amount of space in your brain. No fault of your own, that's just human psychology.
>>291453877They have mixed opinion. From what i have seen in latam most agree that Kaiten is inferior to PMMM and Rebellion but still good.
>>291453278>and story by magica quartetThat's just a legal thing. Every Madoka thing until the end of time will have that because that's how it works when someone is responsible for the original idea. Sort of like Lauren Faust.
>>291450102>Who the FUCK was the 15th Clara Doll Ai?HomuraLike it can't be any more clearIt's Homu
>>291453983Thank you for the Kyubeyesque explanation.
>>291453663>>Why are the trains so fancy now?>>>nowOne of the worst fucking things about the movie remakes is that in an effort to "trim the fat" they cut all the little insignificant world building moments that made it extremely clear Madoka took place in a slightly sci-fi future. Basically every piece of tech in the series is interactive holograms.
When will this Steins;Gate shitter stop cryingThe movie is like a 7.5/10 which is not perfect, but far more than I ever thought of S;G's quality.
>>291453278Well Urobutcher did say he wanted to kill everyone. So be grateful that everyone is still alive.
Homura will kiss Sayaka
>>291454047>From what i have seen in latam most agree that Kaiten is inferior to PMMM and Rebellion but still good.I feel like that's how most everyone who doesn't hate it sees it. I can't imagine someone walking away from Kaiten thinking it was better than the original anime or Rebellion
>>291454194Not bad idea, i like Urobuchi. I wanted this to be the last movie so i don't disagree with everyone dead and end of story.
>>291454230The good ending
>>291454230God I wish I was in either position. FUCK
>>291454289>The moment homura heard those words
Wasu needed more screentime
>>291454248I can't cope with it. Rebellion took me out of this numbed agony even if for a brief time. To see it reduced to this state is like--like having most of my senses taken away and being forced to watch groundhog day on repeat, it's like being on 4chan every day for 20 years with voices accusing me of watching fucking steins gate.
>>291450502Nagisa always has been based
>>291454439Watching Steins;Gate is indeed agony, lol
>>291454248This has been the consensus that I've managed to glean through the haze of shitposting in these threads. That it was alright, but could have been better. Considering the hellish production woes it went through, I suppose we were lucky (or unlucky?) to get anything at all.
>>291454439>and being forced to watch groundhog day on repeatThere's worse movies you could be forced to watch.
>>291454191I liked the movie a lot more than that actually but I agree it's much better than S;G could ever hope to be.
>>291454248>I can't imagine someone walking away from Kaiten thinking it was better than the original anime or RebellionI saw some. But I think not even the staff thinks the movie is still good enough from what they were saying during interviews.>>291454479It could have been far worse. I can't even start imagining what the state of the movie was before the delays.
>>291454248I think it's objectively a fine to good movie in and of itself but my opinion of it is severely brought down by what it means for the franchise.
>>291454501I wish s;g was less shitty, maybe then the fanbase wouldn't attack these threads and go discuss the good things about their show instead.
>>291454530Kaiten is a very good movie. This is no S;G 0 level of disaster even though I know you wish it was.
I wish Kaiten was less shitty, maybe then people would talk about it instead of needing to find something even worse to insult so they can pretend the movie is good by comparison.
>>291454535YOU'RE DOING THIS ON PURPOSE THE SECOND SOMEBODY MENTIONS SAYS ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE MOVIE YOU BRING UP THIS FUCKING VOMIT AND THEN YOU SAMEFAG TO PRETEND PEOPLE ARE RESPONDING TO YOU. THIS IS A FUCKING BOT. IT HAS TO BE. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS SITE IN FUCKING 2026. JUST BAN ALL RETARDS TALKING ABOUT THIS FUCKING THING IN ANY CONTEXT.
>>291453663coobie will summon a billion witches and it'll be a big epic showdown once madokami gets her karmic zenkai from the devilmura timeline
>>291454479>I suppose we were lucky (or unlucky?) to get anything at all.Honestly I don't know if we really needed Kaiten. I think Madoka would've been fine if Rebellion was the ending. I really enjoy Wasu and Choka, and seeing everyone side with Homura was kino, but I don't think that's enough to justify this movie. Movie 5 will probably change how I feel about this anyway
>>291454584I'm not a bot you fucking faggot, go back to your Steins;Gate thread and talk about your shitty show there instead of spamming this thread to try and unilaterally force your opinion.
>>291454584Steins;Gate tard you are the one using bots, fuck off so that we can talk about the movie in a genuine way instead of being forced to listen to you projecting Steins;Gate's weaknesses onto everything else around you.
Steins gate is for faggots only
At least Homu is happy at the end
>>291454479Honesty, I'd probably be more pissed off with this movie if I hadn't made my peace with the fact we would never get a conclusion better than Rebellion and I will consider that the series finale regardless of how far they drag the series through the mud. I cried like a bitch on the rewatch of those in anticipation of Kaiten's theatre release, and by considering Kaiten non canon, my love of the series is undiminished.
Mind;Gate steinbroke you.
>>291454163The trains were not that fancy in magireco.
What does the ending mean, like thematically? What's the whole point of the ending
>>291454646Shit;Gate fans are really something else man. What the hell is this AI spam.
>>291454697The devil is a necessary evil.
>>291454697Homura doesn't have to hate herself for what she's done.See Junko's advice to Madoka about trying to always be in the right.
>>291454683That faggot doesn't even like Madoka and he's in here for several hours every day. Steins;Gate fans are so shook over this movie for some reason.
>>291454693>in magirecoYeah and MagiReco also implies Homura is going after a different Madoka each time and all the previous ones are dead so.
>>291454697Shaft likes money.
>>291454743Inferiority complex
>>291450502She really just fucked her up beyond belief all of a sudden. I guess this marks the second time she has killed someone by surprise, eh Mami?
>>291454783Agreed, but for 15 years?
>>291454754I mean it is still in universe, I'm guessing Mitakihara is just a more posh city and Iroha is poor.
>>291454646Really wish we could just talk about Kaiten without some asshurt Steins;Gate fan spamming AI posts about why he thinks we shouldn't like the movie
Wwyd if she left you on a random park bench after patting your head
>>291454973smile
>>291454973Madoka did nothing wrong. They will be together, someday.
>>291454822>in spanish translation Nagisa talks in first person>in eng translation Nagisa talks in third person about herselfWhy this happens?
>>291455040No comprende espanol
MagiReco doesn't even have money for proper desks, while Mitakihara has those fancy desks that come out of the floor.
>>291455080That's more like a university lecture hall, you're making me think Kamihama is a city of poorfags or something
I want more of Girl A
>>291455003>They will be together, someday.In Homura's dreams, maybe
>>291455080Do teachers of magireco look like this? cute. No wonder Saotome is alone if this is her competition some km away.
>>291455253She doesn't know how to cook eggs the right way either, she is hopeless.
I haven't seen the camrip yet but my body is ready for more SAYAK
>>291454665Everyone always forgets she’s shy girl that only wants Madoka happy.
This is how I feel about the movie, still very pretty animation so I will keep watching the series and probably buy the BDs.
>>291454163>Madoka took place in a slightly sci-fi futureThis is one of my favorite parts of the setting, the unacknowledged vaguely futuristic utopian-looking cityscapes. It lends a dreamlike quality to the work that really elevates the ideas being presented. It's cool. I especially love that they never spend time explaining a single thing about the tech of the setting, authors who just cannot help but dump their world's details onto your head just seem desperate. Let the notes about the world stay behind the scenes and focus on what matters.
>>291455040The spanish sub is official and doesn't want to assume the viewer is familiar that it's a speaking style and not a translation error, so they localise it away
I watched the camrip and the movie was better than Steins;Gate
>>291455040Blame the TL team. It's not like spanish dubs don't understand talking about oneself in third person.
>>291455040Spanish has rules just like Japanese that apply easily to 1st person talk. Obviously it doesn’t matter in English because someone speaking in 1st person alters the words to sound evil or misleading the reader to a different meaning. Only by abandoning the English rule for 1st person talking, can you understand the original context.
I hope Homura's new transformation is shown a lot in the next movie
>>291455040Japanese underuses pronouns a whole lot, not always for a specific reason. You'll hear [character name] while the subs say I/you/he/she instead all the time in any anime if you pay attention to it.
>>291455553Best we can do is five minutes before she gets a new one.
>>291453893>It's the most cowardly series fucking conceived because they to want to push it as a kid friendly animeOr you know maybe they just wanted to make their characters straight
>>291454603Are there seven samur-... mahou shoujo now?
>>291450788one of the nuns who were with Marge was called Ennio TELESE, or she is an ancestor to Selma, or was her mom.
>>291455690Fuck you, japan is a conservatard hellhole and they're caving to it
Walpurgis should have rised a lot more in the movie.
>>291455678At least tell me she won't job again in her new, new transformation
>>291455797Walpurgis caused me to rise
>>291455761They aren’t and that’s a good thing, because Japan being conservative is specifically why anime is good
>>291455836So true
Japan is so conservative that they produce yuri and yaoi. What a conservative country.
>>291455855Anime is trash, you idiotic philistine
>>291450768She looks like she's spreading her legs lol
>>291455975Then leave
>>291455121they're just better at hiding it
>>291456109Make me, worm. You can't because you're stuck in your sex-stimuli addled haze of semi-unconsciousness. You bloated pig fillth.
>>291455941Yuri is the pinnacle of tradition, after all
>>291455836I'm gonna fucking fall on Selma.
>>291455941Yuri and yaoi are niche for a reason
Where did the idea that Homura moves on at the end come from? Did everyone forget that fucking everyone in this movie tells her to never move on just before the ending?
>>291456327The literacy crisis is real.
I'm the target audience of Madoka Magica.
This movie was very underwhelming all things considered. There's not even a controversial scene for the fandom to mull over, just a big wet fart. I don't even think it "sets up" any new content properly, even Rebellion was better at that.
>>291456394Latinos...
>There's not even a controversial scene for the fandom to mull overThe ending
>>291456469The ending is noncommital, not controversial.
>>291456469I expected the alleged HomuSaya things to be more than what it was for all the buzz around it. No controversy really.
