Volume 68PathChapter 653: I'm Always Watchinghttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504Previous thread:>>291449744
>>291487920This damn page.
>>291487920MY FUCKING HEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
B&W
>>291487636>I have attained enlightenment>some 16 year old convinces you to stop everything you've worked towards for the past ~20 years in one chapter
>>291487795>Im always watching you while I fuck Kakashi
>>291487920COOLEST GUY (Neji? Who's neji??)
Man I hate Rin and how sexy she is. Damn psycho brat
>>291487709Little succubus.
>>291488047It's those fucking eyes...
>>291487636Remembering how the anime gave this specific chapter good animation. Which is weird because it's just dialogue.
TWELVE YEARS AGO A NINE TAILED FOX SUDDENLY APPEARED...IF YOU BELIEVE IT!NARUTO! NARUTO!BELIEVE IT! BELIEVE IT!HERE I AM WITH MY NINJA CLAN!NINJA CLAN, HERE WE STAND!NARUTO, I'M ON MY WAY,NARUTO, I'LL BE OKAY!GETTING READY TO FIGHT ON SIGHT!COME ON BEST FRIENDS BY MY SIDE!SASUKE, IS REALLY COOL!SAKURA, THE BEAUTIFUL!KOWAGARUNA NARUTO SAOTO MAMOREKOWAGARUNA NARUTO SAOTO MAMORE
Do you think Naruto's personality is consistent?In this part of the manga, at least.Because I can't figure him out, one chapter he's focused, analitical and deadly (when he realized Obito is weak to senjutsu)the next chapter he makes a fool of himself and panics because he forgot what he just realizedthe next chapter he remains focused but talks like he has no idea how the jutsus around him work, he just acts without much thoughtthe next chapter -namely this one- he's dead serious in his talk-no-jutsu against Obito and he acts way more mature than he was beforeAll of this happens in the span of what, ten minutes at most?
>>291488072>>291488073Worth starting a ninja war for.
>>291487920COOLEST GUY
We all joke but I do wish Rin was a bit of a psycho. Hell just a page of her ripping wings off a bug and then watching it struggle as it's eaten by a mantis would have sold her accepting Obito's actions.
>>291488143It's like Kishi both wants Naruto to be like Goku, but also a subversion of Goku.
>>291487648>Neither of us knew our parentsMaybe this """detail""" should have been brought up sooner instead of shoehorning it at the last second
Done!
if Obito is like Naruto... and Kakashi is like Sasuke... Then Rin is...
>>291488337Thanks... comfy OP? At least I hope it's still you.
>>291474837>>291474837>>291474837Auxiliary thread
>>291487659>I bet that's why you wanted to be hokage>IF YOU'RE THE SAME AT ME, THAT ISWhy is this the main point of the discussion?The issue should be>Obito, you were once a good guynot>Obito, you were once like NarutoLike, fucking hell, not even Sailor Moon made it about herself when she tried to convert her enemies
>>291487668What's with Naruto buffering in the first panel?
>>291487648Implying that, if he couldn't find similarities in Obito's past, Naruto would not care about saving his soul.
>>291487709
Yay. Daily Tumbleweeds thread is back
>>291487862>>291487871This is bullshit, Naruto has no way of knowing that
>>291487920More than the forgiving Hitler stuff, I hate how Naruto just makes up words for a person he never knew.
>>291487648Except even if he was an orphan, Obito was still a member of one of the village's most powerful clans
>>291487709>>291487795>>291487837>>291487941I too want to destroy the world for this demon
Wow I had forgotten how fucking embarrassing this whole thing was. Has been like a decade since I last revisited the war arc, but this really, really was a utter pile of shit.
How many times need it be said?It was the comfy daily that had /nart/ to rest laid.Ramen's will of fire will ever forward wadeTo the seven-hundredth day, with Replacement's aidHowever many schemes Sasjeet made,In the end only a price of izzat most steep he paidHis tears sour and bitter like lemonade.
>Flashback>Flashback>TNJ>Flashback>TNJDo people unironically love this shit?
>>291487901>walking in circle around a person while trying to get under their skin with a breaking speechNaruto is a Disney Villain.
So would Naruto have turned out like Obito if Sakura died?
>>291488698The entire war arc from start to finish is an absolute fucking mess. It's so irredeemably bad and in 200 chapters has maybe one or two memorable moments. I literally forgot Neji even died because of how inconsequential his death and his entire character was. What is even good from this point on? Guy going full 8 gates? That's neat but it was clearly only thrown in there because Kishi never let anyone hit 8 gates before, so he had to check that box before the manga ends.
>>291488841Yes
>>291487920If Obito surrendered here how realistic would his chances of becoming Hokage be?
>>291488143I think Kishi went out his way to develop Naruto the most this war
>>291487709>oh you are totally like Jiraiya>oh you are totally like Minato>oh you are totally like Hashirama>oh you are totally like Nagato>oh you are totally like Obito>oh my fucking parallelsI forgot how fucking obnoxious he was with this shit. Fuck off Kishi, you absolute fucking faggot!I'm usually ok with having 1 or maybe 2 parallels for a main character in stories, but 5? Are you shitting me!? And I'm not even counting Gaara and Ashura.
>>291487771>he doesn't succ toes
Its just so evident that the writing is on the wall for naruto to end up with sakura. >obito liked rin>but she liked kakashi>kakashi did not like her.naruto was supposed to end up with sakura as a means to be the better version of obito his failed past parallel.
>>291488869I hated this arc so much back then, that I never even bothered to watch the anime version of it.
>>291489017You fuckers dont know when to quit
>>291489017>kakashi did not like her.That's not the impression he gives.The image is also utter reaching as one might expect.Could've at least brought up the comparisons drawn to Minato and Kushina, since Naruto had a whole chat about Sakura on that front.
>>291487862>>291487871>>291487901Naruto circling Obito like a shark here. What a fucking psycho.
>>291488953One of the more retarded parallels is Naruto and Sasuke to Hashirama and Madara. Naruto and Sasuke have to fight to a tie for some reason, when thematically it would have made more sense for Naruto to win and Sasuke to take his hand in cooperation, the thing Madara didn't do.
>>291488841No, he doesn't have Uchiha genes
>>291488364You're basically proving it doesn't matter
>>291489139he canonically kissed the last uchiha and his genes passed to him
>>291487920kinooooooo
>>291488841He would if Sasuke had died, that's for sure. He probably would let the whole village die, as long as his boyfriend was spared.
>>291489134Don't even get me started on the parallel shenanigans being extended to Sasuke and Sakura
Kekashi bros...
>>291488953Why does the will of fire upset you?
>>291488618oops forgot link >>291479914
>>291488953It didn't bother me as much when I read it, weekly, as a teen, but yeah it's pretty retarded.
>>291489308Naruto when my headcanon fanfic
>>291489170Of course it doesn't, so long as the conditions are met>only 1 chapter a day>colored and B&W
>>291487636This Kishimoto think enlightment is a power threshold rather than a state of mind?Obito is just as childish as he was before being a jinchuriki.
>>291488869He probably knew for years beforehand that he was more or less done with this series after this arc and so he just threw in everything he wanted to. A lot of this arcs faults can probably be attributed to weekly grind bullshit
>>291487648>When our chakra touchedJesus Naruto, can you not be gay for 5 minutes?
>>291487709>Not doing it for Rin btw.
>>291488953I hate how kid Jiraiya and Obito have almost the same hairstyle as Naruto, as if the parallels weren't already so much in your face kek. I can give it a pass to Minato for genetics, at least
>>291487920
>>291487920>>291487941>>291488327>>291488337Arigatou, OP!
>>291487636Well, you just jobbed, so no you're not
>>291487920Is this the worst talk no jutsu in the whole series?
>>291488481That's literally what happened with Kaguya, Naruto can't literally me her and deems her pure evil lol.
>>291487709Poor Obito never stood a chance.
>>291488875by all means, he's the best guy for the job
>>291487920Soul
>>291489646nope Sausage is
>>291489262Cute and canon, Obito is so lucky.
>>291487753Damn another sick panel and quote from our boy, right after this one from last chapter
>>291487771>>291489000This chapter has added greatly to my Rin collection
I too would commit atrocities for these legs
>>291489017Sasuke...Naruto won't fuck your wife dude.
>>291489308Cheating is a form of theft, so of course Naruto thinks it's worse than murder.
>>291487920AAAAAAAAA
>>291487837RINNNN-TANNNNNNN!
>>291487920Iconic.
>>291487920>I bet if that Rin chick were still alive she'd be all like "ohhh Naruto-sama you're so strong and cool! Obito you should totally listen to him and just do whatever he tells you!"
>>291487920What I hate more about this scene isn't really the fact that Naruto is willing to forgive the guy that caused the 9 tails attack, killed his parents, made him into an ostracized orphan and also started a world war that killed 40k+ people (although that's still really retarded), but more that Obito is supposed to be a guy hardened by his own personal experiences and convinced that the world he's in is evil and shit, but a 16 year old spouting a bunch of platitudes about muh dreams and friends for like 20 minutes is enough to convert him back to the good side. It's just really cheesy bullshit. And the same can be said about Nagato at the end of the Pain arc. It makes these villains feel like gullible weak-minded retards with 0 resolve rather than making Naruto feel like a super charismatic noble guy who can move the heart of any hardened criminal.
>>291489017It's only "evident" because Kishi was baiting the audience. He deliberately did all of this shit to get people to start shopping wars in a manga where romance is absolutely undeveloped. It's also the reason why every other character that's not Naruto or Sasuke was abandoned shortly into part 2 to pander to fujos. Fujos and shipper wars is Naruto's legacy.
>>291490103I'll bite. Obito is not really convinced by a bunch of platitudes spouted by a teenager. Deep inside, he wanted someone to prove him wrong and refute his worldview. Kakashi spells it out pretty clearly.
>>291490142This
For all the failures in storytelling that Naruto has. Kishimoto does have a nice taste for designing sexy females.
Honestly rereading it now it's not even as bad as people say. It actually comes off better than all those years ago when it was first coming out.
>>291490203I think you just have massive shit taste for tolerating this garbage writing.
>>291490103>And the same can be said about Nagato at the end of the Pain arcThe Pain arc was another turning point in the manga that abso cemented it as irredeemable shit. Naruto sparing Pain is one thing. Pain being convinced by Naruto is another. Naruto not even imprisoning Pain isn't even as egregious as it sounds.Pain killi himself, undoing all the damage he'd done, and every single villager getting instant transmission of what happened and going "good job, Naruto!" is so egregiously, unforgivably horrendous. There could have been some sort of thematic shift where Naruto has to explore why "ending the cycle" is so hard. Because you don't end the cycle by convincing one person to stop, he stops, and then kills himself and revives everyone he's killed. You have to somehow convince the bad guy to stop being bad, then further convince everyone he's ever hurt to let him go. Naruto bypassed that crucial second step by sheer luck. Luck that absolutely no one else gets unless he is written by an author that just declares him right.
>>291490108>kishimoto was baiting people from chapter 3 until chpter 699kek
>>291490142>Deep inside he wanted to be proved wrongKishimoto, this is the seventh time you wrote this plot point this week.
>>291489368seems reasonable to me
>>291490304I'm not saying this is good writing or well-executed either, I'm just saying the TnJ doesn't actually work just because Naruto is a charismatic brat who can convince people with just words.
>>291490142>>291490172Yeah, and that's retarded. He got "proven wrong" by a guy spouting a bunch of empty platitudes. He wasn't convinced by Naruto's actions, but by Naruto tnj-ing him for 5 pages. And that's without going into how most of their exchanges were just Obito going "THIS WORLD IS BAD AND MUST END" and Naruto going "NO IT WON'T END BECAUSE OF ME DATTEBAYO!".I think you're a deeply pretentious moron for trying to even defend this.
What would Konan have dreamed in the infinite tsukuyomi
>>291488047>>291488073
>>291490402Being married to Yahiko, obviously.
>>291490203Are you retarded?
>>291490302Yes. He could have written an interesting world, plot, characters, or anything else but he was incapable. So all he has is shippers and fujos. All anyone talks about years after the manga ended is "WHY DIDN'T HE PUT HIS COCK IN THE PINK HAIRED GIRL???"Hinata was the designated love interest from the beginning. She was so clearly designated that Kishi just decided to not even bother developing their romance at all.
>>291489017Naruto can also surpass his parallels by just moving on.
>>291490394>He got "proven wrong" by a guy spouting a bunch of empty platitudes.No, he got "proven wrong" by Naruto's conviction, his heart, his shonen DATTEBAYO spirit if you will. It's not a matter of words like you claimed. The fact that they're having this internal and spiritual exchange means that Obito DID feel regret all along and wasn't hardened by his experiences like you claimed. This is not genjutsu, it's the real Obito.
>>291490481so people shouldn't point it out or what
>>291490394>He wasn't convinced by Naruto's actionsYeah he was. It's stated Obito was testing Naruto throughout this entire war by inflicting suffering upon him, trying to get Naruto to give up, in an attempt to convince himself he'd made the right choice in giving up himself. Naruto refusing to give up and putting his faith in his friends even after the going gets rough is the action that convinced Obito
>>291490616Sure they can, but mishandled romance is the least of the egregious plot points. There are dozens of other things handled way worse than romance being poorly developed, underdeveloped, or developed incorrectly.
>>291487920How is Naruto quoting Rin verbatim?
>>291490681Because they touched Chakra and now know everything about one another or something.
>>291490681HE SAW OBITOS MEMORIES WHEN THEIR SPIRITS MADE CONTACT THIS IS STATED MULTIPLE TIMES
>>291490646I disagree. if you don't think romance is important for people then you are the weird guy here. people read Naruto for the characters and the most important character was the protagonist, of course most of us narutards care
>>291487837it's like having a PTS Sakura who doesn't hate one of her teammates...
>>291490681Rin's spirit is possessing Naruto. Everyone's chakra is connected atm. Naruto is Rin's reincarnation. Hashirama cells.
>>291490302Anon...i...
>>291490628>Yeah he was.No, you fucking retard. He literally changed sides after Naruto spelled out how he was thinking. He wasn't affected at all by whatever actions Naruto took beforehand.
>>291487709The cunny that saved the world...
>>291487920dude killed your parents and tried to murder baby you, and the whole village, multiple times
>>291490723>if you don't think romance is important for people then you are the weird guy hereAre we talking about in real life and how romantic interactions are a big part of people's lives? Because sure that matters and that's probably why it irks so many people that it was handled so poorly. That I understand. Sex and violence generate more attention and discussion, and romance is an offshoot of that.But it's the mark of a horrible writer when the only thing anyone discusses about his 15 year, 700 chapter work is how fumbled the romance subplots were. There aren't scores of people discussing the interesting world, the action packed fights, the deep and though provoking themes explored, the incredible artwork, or anything else a manga artist can really hang their hats on.A dozen years later and all people talk about is why Naruto didn't put his cock in the pink girl. Because everything else in the manga was so fucking forgettable.
>Naruto..... you actually are......... the chosen one who will defeat the aliensCINEMA
>>291487920It's wild that people are still trying to defend this garbage to this day.
>>291490194Not really
>>291490806Are you incapable of being civil instead of screeching insults with literally every single post? No more (You)'s. I have no desire to interact with you further.
>>291487686>>291487701>>291487709>3 pages>9 panels for Obito's expression>7 panels for Naruto's expressionWhat is this called? dishonest paneling? padding?
>>291488200Girls are more emotionally mature than boys.
>>291490875Tsunade, Samui, Ino, Yugito, Temari, Blonde Hinata from that one movie... you have to be lying if none of those tickle your fancy.
>>291490854>But it's the mark of a horrible writer when the only thing anyone discusses about his 15 year, 700 chapter work is how fumbled the romance subplots were.because like in this chapter in the Naruto storyline the author repeats the same thing and theme about Naruto and Sakura parallels having romantic moments ?? maybe that's why on a reread people point out all these moments that lead nowhere, this is why people talk about it
>>291490977lol. lmao, even.
>>291490498I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make in that it's still stupid for Obito to drop his 20 years in the making plan for a kid that's just too autistic to stop screeching about hope and saving the world, regardless of how much he wants to be proven wrong. You're supposed to believe that Obito had a strong conviction to proceed with his tree plan even if deep down he wants to be wrong.
>>291490904Decompression. The bane of comics.
>>291491155I think Kishi is unable to accurately depict that of course you can have reservations about a plan this enormous while still going through with it. But that's something called "nuance", which Kishi is incapable of depicting.And I don't mean a "I'm sorry...I've already gone so far...I wish I could back out but I can't..." type deal, because that's just a lazy cop out. You'd think that over the course of 20 years of planning, he would have addressed all of his reservations and gone through nonstop introspection to the point of conviction to actually go through with it. But he wasn't "REALLY" on board because he needed to test it against Naruto apparently.
>>291490108>every other character that's not Naruto or Sasuke was abandoned shortly into part 2.It would have been based if that were completely true instead of Kishi half-assing it.Like lol. The Supression arc? The Edo Azuma fight? Yeah I wouldn't miss any more of that.
>>291489611it's funnier after you read the pilot chapter about the stolen painting
>HMM?
>>291488841No. Sasuke, on the other hand...
>>291491419>Lee during the Chunin finalsWhy did Kishi feel the need to humiliate him like that, lol
>>291490880Yeah you're right lol sorry I overreacted
>>291491419Kishi wanted to have his cake and eat it too. He wanted us to care about all of the Konoha 12, while abandoning practically all of them. In order of importance it was>Naruto>Sasuke >Sakura>Shikamaru>Choji/Ino>Everyone elseWith everyone being so distant from Naruto and Sasuke it's unreal.Hinata, Kiba, Shino, Tenten, Lee, and Neji get absolutely 0 to do in the entirety of part 2. Ino and Choji get a little bit with the Kakuzu/Hidan arc. Shikamaru and Sakura each get a member of the Akatsuki to take down. But we're supposed to care about all of them.
>>291491488He was gaining too much popularity so he had to be taken down a few pegs to remind us he's not a main character. Then he still has to lose against Kimimaro to further remind us.
>>291491447damn lucky bastard
>>291488200
>>291491558I don't think he ever wanted us to care about the Konoha 12 because he never cared about them, he was forced to add them by Yahagi-sama. he cared about Sasuke, then Itachi, then Naruto and their lesser clones and who he can project his passion about sexism/his brother
>>291491677She's not 'ALWAYS' watching though... Right?
>>291491712Kishimoto wants us to care enough about them for stakes.
>>291491712>he never cared about themThey all got a fair amount of development from the Chunin Exams, and then the SRA gave half of them a mission to do. They clearly were supposed to matter at a time to get so many fights dedicated to them.
>>291487920IT'S NOT TOO LATE COME JOIN US HITLER YOU'RE THE COOLEST GUY YOU KNOW?Still kino
>>291490203It was actually easier to stomach back then, because people still disillusioned themselves that it would get better.
>>291491447She married him
>>291492288it's actually easier now because we know Bort and that's pure liquid dogshit. at least it's not ugly Frieza clones fighting constipated Sasuke Black and ugly gremlin chaozu
>>291491712Well Kishi did act like Neji was a character relevant enough for his death to matter, even though he never did jackshit after his fight with Kidomaru. >>291492184Also the end of part 1 tried to hype them up as though they would've still mattered after the timeskip. Plus some part 2 arcs like the Kazega Rescue or the Itachi Pursuit still featured Team Guy and Team Kurenai as though their members still mattered to the plot, even though they clearly didn't.
>>291492479Not really. Just because Boruto is a less polished turd than this Obito tnj cancer doesn't make the latter any better.
>>291491558You'd that at least Hinata would get the same amount of relevance as Choji or Ino since she's the mc's love interest, but nope.
>>291492554>she's the mc's love interestnever happened
>>291492554Being part of Shikakek's friend group is more important.>>291492597>muh chapter 700 is non canonMiserable little fuck.
chapter 700 is funnycanon funnycomfy
>>291492512>Just because Boruto is a less polished turd than this Obito tnj cancer doesn't make the latter any better.Boruto is a very ugly manga, I disagree, it has very negative aura fr
>>291492554>she's the mc's love interestakamaru is not the mc
>>291487981Naruto is the sage. obito is the djall
>>291488654He literally read all of Obito's memories when they were playing tug-of-war
>>291492672>>muh chapter 700 is non canonchapter 700 is canon but Naruto never had any romantic interest in Hinata, in the manga. there are ZERO panels implying that
>>291492479>>291492710I'm going to have to disagree here, although Boruto is bad, has bad fights and one note villains, Obito still takes the cake for being too egregiously pretentious.Even Boruto fights at least feel like each chapter makes the fight get closer to the finish line, meanwhile here Obito should've been dead 10 times over and this is the 8th time Naruto has tried to redeem Obito.
>>291490083kek
>>291492884Love interest can also just be "person you married", stop being disingenuous.
>>291492910Kill it with fire.
>>291492916Not reallyJust look at Son Goku
>>291491788Did she stutter?She uses her ninja skills to hide in Obito's room when he's sleeping, jacking off, in the bathroom, etc.
>>291492994Torishima, Goku won't fuck Bulma, it's time to let it go.
>Obito is projecting his creepness onto RinJust because you stalk her doesn't mean this is normal btw.
>>291492910hnng
Obito was a pure hearted good boy before he met that she devil, Rin!
>>291487920this is so stupid. the entire conversation. it feels forced af.
>>291492858He literally said "I bet Rin would say this if she were alive", meaning he didn't know of Obito's conversations with Rin. Either that or he was just bullshitting Obito.
>>291493382But what he said after is a direct quote from Rin so that's just more evidence that he saw all of his memories to me
>You're not hiding anything from me... Are you anon?
>>291493382He bets she would say that because he knows she would, because he's already seen her say so before.
>I found your porn stash obito
What would Naruto be like if Sakura and Rin swapped places in the timeline?
>>291493579kakashi would never kill sakura
>>291487795She was totally set on making Obito and Kakashi fight. She wanted drama, being fought for. That or she went for Kakashi because this retard wasn't frontal enough.
>>291490385tnj victims usually don't believe/want what they're actually saying. like neji didn't really believe in fate because he actively fought against it.zabuza always cared for haku. he never saw him as just a tool to be discarded once he wasn't useful anymore.gaara didn't really want to be a bloodthirsty weapon of mass destruction. he wanted to be loved. he just didn't think it was possible for someone like him to be loved until naruto showed him it was possible.nagato always just wanted peace and only turned to dubious methods because he thought that was the only way.obito didn't really want reality to be messed up to the point that he had to put everyone under an illusion for people to get along.tnj only works on people who already believe/want what naruto is telling/showing them.
>>291487837Ok, Obito had impecable taste. The world wouldn't be the same if Rin was no more. I kneel.
You sickos are genuinely simping for the most basic bitch brunette little girl?
>>291493797It's 1 anon. It is a Thursday afterall lol
>>291487920"Putin, stop this war. If this Lenin person was alive, he would totally scold you"
>>291493687>like neji didn't really believe in fate because he actively fought against it.neji never fought against fate. he was forced to fight Hinata in the exams but he knew she could activate brain fuck no jutsu and kill him at any point>nagato always just wanted peace and only turned to dubious methods because he thought that was the only way.this is really trivial. having the power to nuke all other villages and controlling them with fear is not dubious at all, and Naruto never told him something he didn't know already, he never showed him a way to do it. literally said "IDK bro but trust" the narutoverse is still at war
funnycomfy
>>291493797Brunettes are best girls though.
>>291493882So simp for someone else instead of Rin.
>>291493487im sorry I fapped to *that* again, are we ok?
>>291493579Dunno, his parents would be most likely alive so he could have more emotional support. Plus Sakura is a shit compared to Rin.
>>291493855neji's whole thing was that people were forced into the roles they were born into. he said he was doomed to be branch member and forced below the main branch while reverse engineering main branch techniques and beating hinata, a main branch member.nagato, i agree the tnj was forced but naruto did give him hope that peace was possible by not pursuing revenge against him. and the main point is nagato didn't really want to force people into being peaceful. he was going to do it because he thought it had to be that way.
>>291493916No, she had a nice personality and was genuinely caring. She was the Touden Falin of Naruto.
>>291493922A moment of weakness, huh... It happens to the best of us.
>>291492884>chapter 700 is canonCorrect. Boruto, which is incompatible with it, is non-canon.
The Hidden Mist deserved everything that happened to them.
>>291493968>he said he was doomed to be branch member and forced below the main branch while reverse engineering main branch techniques and beating hinata, a main branch member.no matter how many techniques he developed he was stuck with a slave mark on his forehead and forced to obey the main branch. he knew about this. this was his entire point, Hinata was his superior and there was no way to escape his fate
>>291494064none of the main branch members ever used it against him or forced him to do anything, but it's weird why it even exists then.
>>291493977>Personality Rin has no character
>>291494104>but it's weird why it even exists thenbro they exist to create a hierarchy between the clan members and make sure they can't leave if they want to do something else with their lives, like become a ramen shop owner.
>>291487795>>291487920>Repeats the flashback Obito's brain leaked at himMasterful talk no jutsu, Naruto.
>>291494214but they present it like none of the side branch members are forced to do anything anyway. neji's dad chose to die. he wasn't forced like neji thought. neji was never forced to do anything either.it's really weird to have this fucked up piece of worldbuilding with slaves but then go "none of them forced to be slaves actually do it's okay". it's really weird.
>>291494323you don't see it because only the obedient ones were still alive. I have to remind you this is a story where they send 13 year olds to compete with Gaara and Orochimaru to graduate and go die in some pointless mission when they fight against Deidara's clay bug
>>291490142>>291490385But Naruto didn't "prove him wrong". Obito's whole deal was that the world is broken and will continue to suffer, which is why he thought isekai-ing everyone was the right thing to do. Naruto didn't manage to prove that he was wrong in regards to the world being bad, the only thing he managed was to show that he didn't end up as a hopeless nihilist like him. That doesn't mean Obito was wrong. And no matter what you say, every exchange between Naruto and Obito boils down the latter saying some edgy shit about the world being bad and the former saying how that's not true because he has friends and he's a superhero that will save everyone. Aka tnj bullshit.
>>291494171>no characterMadara...
>>291493797headcanon Rin is a pretty unique psychopath albeit
Hiashi won.
>>291494171She has, the few lines she has are enough proof
>>291494468>Naruto didn't manage to prove that he was wrong in regards to the world being badThat was never a legitimate worldview Obito truly held. There is nothing intrinsic about the world or human nature that states that more Rins will have to senselessly die in the future. His fatalism was always something he defaulted to after Madara brainwashed him.
>>291494967>Madara brainwashed him.aka told it to him once and he went "NO WAY OLD MAN" but then Rin died and he went "n-no way.... it's true..."
>>291488243>flashback scene of Minato's team during the war>Obito walks over to Rin and sees she's next to the body of an enemy ninja that's barely clinging to life who tried to attack them earlier>Rin gleefully stabs him with a kunai as he moans in pain while she starts laughing>scene shows how war fucks up the kids not just by traumatizing them but by also making them a bit evil and twistedYou might be on to something.
>>291487837Rin butt
>>291495012Yeah. Young people are impressionable. It's not difficult to accept that Obito defaulted to despair when he lost everything important to him. But it was never about the world or human nature or anything like that.
>>291489017simping after the girl who clearly likes your teammate is how you end up a failure like Obito. Hinata won.
>>291490083>>291488664the point of the scene is to show how similar Naruto and Rin's thoughts are. Naruto knows nothing about Rin yet is able to accurately predict what sort of person Rin is and even quote her, almost down to the word. that's what convinces Obito, because he sees Rin in Naruto. her beliefs and her will. He felt through it all he had let her down, but through Naruto everything she stood for still exists even after her death.
>>291494954Being an extension of Obito doesn't count
>>291494967>There is nothing intrinsic about the world or human nature that states that more Rins will have to senselessly die in the future.If war continues then nations will continue to send girls like Rin to get killed on the battlefield if that's what you mean. >>291495149>But it was never about the world or human nature or anything like that.Yes it was, that's what his motives were about before the twist that ackshually he only ever cared about his crush dying and didn't really give a shit about the state of the world.
>>291495196Obito wants to fuck Naruto now?
>>291488366Sailor Moon defeating Queen Nehalennia is like a 10x better version of this arc and Naruto's relationship with Sasuke.
>>291493524There's no fucking bet if he already knows the exact thing Rin would say to him.
i feel like later tnjs hammered the point in too hard.naruto never argued with zabuza or gaara about how they should be good people or something. their backgrounds along with the context of the tnj scene in question did all the work to show why naruto's words/actions would affect them so much.
>>291489611funny thing is if Hitler had framed his war as "fighting Communism" and attacked Russia from the start and left France alone, he probably could've convinced the western allies to side with him or at least not interfered.
>Rin is a Naruto parallelOH MY FUCKING GOD
>>291495196Please, we don't need more characters looking at Naruto and thinking "omg he's literally x"
>>291495444ObiRin is literally NaruHina with genders reversed.
>>291495479There has never been a bigger insult to NaruHina up until this very comparison.
>>291493819putin's too young to have known lenin, he's a pitbull trained to fight by stalin
>filtered by nejithe state of these readers
>>291489017GOD SHUT UPyou conflated the point of the series with the part you liked mostyou backed the wrong horseand now the result came out differently to your desire, you declare the writing failed to do it's job?noyou ailed to understand what you were readingbeing in parallel to something doesn't mean elements of your are in lockstep with another thingit means even with differences it juxtaposes in a meaningfully similar wayhe doesn't have to love the girl he simped for that doesn't like him backhe doesn't have to obey the wishes of his mom no matter how much they love each otherhe doesn't have to engage in the same cycle whether to upend it or to confirm itin the end he defied parallel of obito both by actually succeeding and by having other things happen in his lifeand sakura and sasuke defied their parallels by finding other things in life with each otherbecause for all the examples of cyclical people and events the premise of naruto is that dramatic cycles are bullshit
>>291489963murder is theft of life
>>291487709I want to cum all over her faceObito did nothing wrong
If I had the money I'd be commissioning a bunch of psycho Rin art. Go full Raikage levels of perception twist
>>291495245I mean, Kishimoto probably still wants us to believe Obito wasn't doing it for Rin after this chapter.
>>291495959Naruto doesn't think so.
>>291489909>rin collection based
>>291488664>More than the forgiving Hitler stuff, I hate how Naruto just makes up words for a person he never knewNaruto weaponized Obitos memories into words so he could manipulate his feelings. The Yamanaka clan are god tier
Cunny can save and doom the world, or so Kishimoto said.
Archer and Shirou did it better. At least they were really the same individual not some parallel.
>>291495313Oh, so you're autistic and take everything literally, got it.
Hanabump no Jutsu
>>291497010Type-Moon is dogshit worse than the worst of any shonen.
larpbito
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j0S7Ct2qFo
comfydaily funnythread
>>291487722>>291487753The writing this chapter is hard to take seriously but I do like a lot of the facial reactions from both Naruto and Obito here.
It's starting to tumble..
>>291487753basedruto
>>291488216there it is
>>291487668Dude, they met each other, like, an hour ago.
>>291487771>No shortcuts, except for Sarutobi, who was randomly given the office of hokage
47 days to go lads
>>291487771I despise Nardo. The word Hokage is absolute to him.
>>291499947reminder he only cares about the title because he thinks it'll make people stop bullying him.
comfy
>>291496061>>291487709The face Rin makes when she kills a prisoner of war by trampling them to death
>>291487753>>291489839Naruto has actually been kinda cool. At least visually. Poorly written with so many things centered around him, of course, but kinda cool still.
>>291489909Imagine getting milked by those thighs while she looks at you like this
>>291493487I want her to hunt me
>>291487709Look at this whore. She knows that she loves Kakashi but has no issues leading Obito on
>>291490103> It makes these villains feel like gullible weak-minded retardsYeah that's the whole point of his character. Obito was never supposed to be the hardass we thought he was. His whole plan is stupid to begin with and all his actions basically amount to a tantrum.>Nooooo I will change reality can create new matrix reality No wonder he changes his mind quickly the moment he sees an opening.
>>291502255how do you know she doesn't want to get double-teamed?
>>291502312this still isnt even close to as gay as the dogtag necklaces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yKqU1kjjCMwhat did they mean by this
>>291491585Lee became (and still is) my favorite character during this part. It's atrocious how they butchered my boy
>>291489503People even thought Obito was like a pedo for obsessing about Rin, or that he was such a manchild he was stuck on a childhood crush, but Rin also represents a time in his life when he had hope.>>291502966It's alright he still owns this site
>>291502255>>291502464In the anime there is a scene where Rin seems like she's about to confess to Kakashi, but Kakashi stops her because Obito just died kek.>>291500124Nah man Naruto's all intellectual now, he's dabbling in ninja geopolitics and shit
>>291503205he doesn't even care enough to know who Tobirama is
>>291502450You're giving the story too much self-awareness.
>>291496061I would genocide an entire clan and even start a war if I fumbled this
>>291488953Foils are the only narrative tool Kishimoto knows.
>>291493644That's not true, because it would have actually made her an interesting character.
>>291487871>>291487901>>291487920>walks circles around Obito>reads his mind and uses his memories against him>"We're not so different, you and I.">"The only way to atone for your sins is to do what I say.">"The source of your survivor's guilt would tell you to join me."If Naruto wasn't from Naruto's perspective, he would look like a master manipulator.
>>291504477He learned this from the best . The Hokage WILL OF FIRE. promise you will do shit and then never change anything
>>291489262Look at this angel, she truly loves Obito and they were clearly the intended pairing from the start.
>>291489262Kakashi has penetrated both Rin and Obito. He cant complain.
>>291487630
>>291487648Second panel looks like he is scratching his chin contemplating.
>>291504477It's nice how Naruto improves his talk no jutsu throughout the series, he relies less on emotion-driven reactions and arguments and more on this stuff. Of course, he also realizes the only way to even get to that point is to be able to go toe-to-toe with these psychos. These are the sort of things that made Togashi, the creator of Hunter x Hunter, think that certain traits in shonen protags are similar to a villain's.>>291504504Hiruzen suffered the most from retcon/story developments than any character, how would you guys save it? Kishi could've just made it so Danzo was doing things completely under Hiruzen's radar because he had institutional backing from the 2 elders and their black ops. Naruto being poor is still a fumble, he should've been set on that Namikaze inheritance. The village shunning him is reasonable though, Japanese people can be really superstitious like that.
>>291489503That was very obviously a cope.
>>291504889>Hiruzen suffered the most from retcon/story developments than any character, how would you guys save it?make him glaze itachi like Hashirama and have a flashback when he tells Danzo he's fucked if he tries to perturb THE SOLO GOD of Konohagakure he will regret this shit
>>291502450>N-No you see the point is that this character who had a 20 years plan in the making and was so competent that he was able to fight off all of the 5 great nations at the same time wasn't actually supposed to be a hardass who genuinely believed in his plan or ideology That's really stupid.
>>291504889>It's nice how Naruto improves his talk no jutsu throughout the series, he relies less on emotion-driven reactions and arguments and more on this stuffI wouldn't call that a good thing. >Hiruzen suffered the most from retcon/story developments than any character, how would you guys save it?Just stop making the story pretend that Hiruzen was a good person and let him be portrayed as badly as Danzo was. It would feel grittier to say that not all hokage were super noble pure hearted heroes, though I guess Kishi just wanted to make Hiruzen the "cool old guy".
Cute and Canon
>>291505040they made filler episodes of filler
>>291504889make it so Hiruzen wanted to nail Kushina, but couldn't before she died. so he makes Naruto's life hell out of spite
>>291505040Weird how that second photo makes Naruto look like the most stern and taciturn person out of his family.
>>291490852Yeah, that's the point, to break the cycle of hatred.
>>291505040Why didn't Hanabi get his husband B to join the photograph?
>>291505130>*killed your parents*>he was misunderstood, he's just like me>*nuked the entire village*>we had the same master, Jiraiya knew you are just like me>Sasuke came to me on his own and I trained him for 2 years>RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH YOU ARE UNFORGIVABLE YOU SHOULD DIE FOREVER
What girls would luffy pull in this verse
>>291505282Tsunade
>>291505282Sasuke
>>291494512Madarabros!!>THE VOICE ACTOR OF MADARA HAS COMMENTED ON THE UPCOMING NARUTO ANIME ANNOUNCEMENT.
>>291505366How do you know he's explicitly talking about Naruto.
>>291504084Oh I am not saying that the story is aware about this. But that's the correct interpretation of this situation.>>291504978Obito's competence or conviction does not preclude him from being a mental headcase. All Obito ever needed was a bit of therapy.
>>291505366nuts???? NaruSasu confirmed bros
>>291505366He is gay
>>291487771>>291489000GRR
>>291505511Really? Then he's the perfect guy to voice Madara.
>>291505366>VOICE ACTOR OF MADARAWhy is Uchida Naoya's account called "Neil Kaplan - Voice Actor"?
>dude new naruto project. aren't you excited?>*looks inside* Kishimoto the hack, creator of war arc, Bortshart, and Eight Squidsno
I always imagined the Uchiha to speak with a gay lisp. But they didn't go for it with the casting, a missed opportunity to portray them accurately.
>>291504962See the problem is how much Hiruzen knew about Danzo and being indecisive about it, even he was portrayed to be willing to kill Orochimaru when it came to it.>>291505035Yeah, you could still have Hiruzen be noble, but also a product of his times. Danzo being responsible for so much was a bit ridiculous on its own, that could also change.>>291505060Hiruzen is shown to be a little perverted, why not
>>291505035>It would feel grittier to say that not all hokage were super noble pure hearted heroesThat would only work in a story where Naruto has second thoughts about his goal of becoming a hokage. Keeping Naruto as he is now while making some of the hokage morally grey would make Naruto seem like an idiot
>>291492710Speaking of New York comic con they just announced a new set of cards that had a showcase on the floor before they’ll announce whatever new naruto animation project they’ve been teasing up for the past few years. And for you fellow tayuya Fags out there they made sure to specifically mention her.
Succubus Rin
>>291506106This shit is really forced. Her design isn't even that good.
>>291487709How can you possibly blame Obito
>>291506062they will release the 4 episodes confirmed
>>291506137> they will release the 4 episodes confirmedSupposedly it was 4 episodes when they were doing the narutop99 polls then I started hearing it’s a movie who know maybe they blended everything into 2 hour movie or whatever.
>>291506127This whole general is forced anon
>>291506062What an unusual assortment of characters. And yet there's no Yugito!
>>291506210Maybe he’ll be in the new animation ? It could be a celebration of everything Naruto.
>>291506127Is there anything in this daily that isn't forced? It hasn't produced a single meme, and it's basically just drama central again.[spoilers]don't look in the archives[/spoiler]
>>291506106>>291506130Leading impressionable young Uchiha astray with her wiles... Unforgivable.
>>291504889The village shouldn't have known that Naruto is 4th's son. We could have Hiruzen outlaw that and the ostracism plot remains. Naruto being poor is not a problem since the story never really acknowledges that he was poor. For all we know he was as taken care of by the village. The Uchiha massacre though cannot be helped. Even if you make it so that Hiruzen didn't know about it, that would still make him look incompetent. And he would have to punish Danzo and the elders later on. This retcon was a complete mess which ruined everyone's character.
>>291506062Tayuya!
>>291506235They mentioned something about jinchuriki, so surely she'll be!A movie is so little time to adapt the insane amount of content of the manga, where she already had a miniscule role in an unimportant arc, so I don't think there's anyway she'll even appear desu.
>>291504889>>291506322I just got the idea that you could introduce another Uchiha asspull about Shisui's eye that Danzo used to manipulate him
>>291506181why is the copyright still from 2002 and 2007? this guy really hates his own manga lmao
>>291506235>he’llYugito-obaasan is not a he.
>>291506448Shit sorry I meant obasan, not obaasan
>>291506448
>>291505232But Orochimaru was also forgiven.
>>291506566...after he was afraid of sasuke and they became friends
>>291506429That's how trademarks work anon. You list the year they were acquired.
>>291506359<3
Naruto:>Boruto/Minato movie>miniserie>global game>Live action news>card gameand more
>>291506878Who is he? A leaker or something?
>>291506366ZERO people give a fuck about yugito
>Naruto day>it's boruto shitget me out of this SHITTY TIMELINE
>>291504935We're talking about Kishimoto here, i doubt it.
>>291506062>Naruto himself doesn't get an art, just his pet fox>Kankuro, Tayuya and SHITsuiLmao
>>291506258Retard
Necrobumping is getting out of control..
>>291506258>It hasn't produced a single memeIdk anon, I think it's produced plenty
In fact, might as well dump all the edits I've made. It's been fun posting in this daily.
>>291506258Facts
>>291507889>>291507915>>291507925>>291507946>>291507960You spamming your obsession for some shitposter does not a meme make, sorry
>>291508012Minus the first pic, those are just dabbing on Losersuke
>>291508053See>>291508012
>>291488953As per usual you're simply too much of a midwit to understand this series. Naruto's central themes have always been shared suffering and mutual understanding. By showing parallels you don't claim characters are alike. But you show that they are able to understand each other because if you boil down the suffering enough then you've all suffered similar fates. You suffered from the circumstances, and the circumstances is what all of you wanna change. Albeit through different means. Apparently Naruto simply is too intelligent a series for you, Pissfag. Retarded grocery bagging Walmart cashier.
>>291508012Those memes are about you
>>291488953It's almost as if naruto was a story about parallels and cycles. Crazy
>>291508254Stay in the archives, faggot. It's already apparent nobody likes you. I'm not the jeet you can't stop thinking about.
>>291508323>picKishimoto was spoiling the story here and nobody knew
>>291508323Guy simply is too dumb to understand that if you make a story about the fact that "the cycle of hatred never ends", and that multiple generation have suffered from it, you are pretty much forced to create parallels cause how else are you going to depict that people suffer and have suffered from the same systemic issues for generations?! Being able to empathize is a requirement for mutual, cross cultural, cross circumstantial understanding. >>291508390The funny thing is that half the important elements are cropped from the pic. The flower next to Kakashi bed looks like the 10tails tree, with a clock next to him and him sleeping/dreaming. It's way too deliberate. Obitos introduction, sleeping, tree, time.
>>291508180It seems you didn't understand, so I'll explain. I made those edits to make fun of Sasuke Uchiha, Kishimoto's Character from Naruto™. Except the first edit, which was a meta joke about this shitposter you mentioned.
>>291508494Your edits does not a meme make
>>291508323Based parallels noticer, both boys in the photo positioned on the left get the girl while the ones on right become Hokage.
Lot's of samefagging, but looks like he slowed down since he's about to repost another chapter lol
Was there ever any reason to give this fight to Guy instead of Lee?Why is Lee so fucking useless in Shippuden when it should have been his comeback arc?
>>291508827It'd be very stupid to let Guy have his student go suicide before him
>>291508827what's the strongest Dragon Ball Z character that Guy could beat while using all 8 gates
>>291488953Isn't Kishi a twin? Might explain his obsession with parallels and his tendency for cuckholdry and closet faggotry
>>291508942Bulma
>>291508942Nam
>>291508942Just based on that one panel, I'd say he'd snap Nappa in half at least as easily as kaio-ken Goku did, but would not beat Vegeta.
>>291509118>he'd snap Nappa in halfKek
>>291508827Because Guy is Lee but stronger. What you're essentially asking is "why not give more to the Konoha 12?" Kishi doesn't give a fucking about 8 of them. Lee, among the rest of them, was pretty much abandoned after the Sasuke retrieval arc, an arc in which he loses, then Gaara saves him. I don't know if Kishi just made a mistake because he clearly didn't want Lee to have any fans, yet gave him one of the better fights in the entire manga.
>>291506878>Boruto/MinatoKinky
Why is he dumping in a new thread?
>>291509261Because he foced this one to 400 posts so he could samefag another thread to 400 posts lol
>>291506878>>Boruto/Minato movieHOLY FUCKSTOP FUCKING INSERTING THAT DOGSHIT BORUTO SHIT IN NARUTOI DON"T WANT TO SEE THAT SHITFUCK
>>291509118Yeah no fucking way. Nappa can level a a large city with a finger flick that can be seen from space, are you kidding me? Guy is closer to General Blue than he is to Nappa, come on now
>>291507889Kek, it's also funny because Sakon actually lowdiffed Sasuke in story, not just poopsuke
>>291509549Guy kicked so hard that he started bending space around himThere's not a single DBZ character with a feat of that level until like the Buu Saga.
>>291509118Seems mostly accurate. Endgame Naruto blows up mountains and shit in a way that feels quite Nappa like.
>>291509549That's basically Nappa's ultimate by the way Also anyone on DB can be low diffed by genjutsu (at least up to majin buu arc) as seen by babidi
>>291509819We've never seen hax do much of anything, much less "genjutsu". Saiyan arc Vegeta solos.
>>291509864???Babidi literally mind controlled people with a shitty spell
>>291509611Going fast doesn't mean you have the same destructive powerEven a full 10 tailed beast blast at best destroys a couple of large mountainsMeanwhile OG demon king piccolo even back in original dragonball already had the power capable of leveling the entire planet Seriously underestimating Nappa Both Cuckgeta and Nappa fly around destroying entire planets with a single ki beam
>>291507946>>291507960Slightly surprised these weren't made before.
>>291509611What does that even mean?
>>291509894Bejita literally nosold it when he felt like it.
>>291509894It wasn't illusions.
>>291510038That's why I said until majin buu arc. his controll spell had people like fat buu in lock btw.Imagine doing this to a saiyan arc vegeta or goku.
>>291510073>his controll spell had people like fat buu in lock btwNo it didn't. You need to reread the manga or something.
>>291510063>what's Kotoamatsukami
>>291510096Yeah it seems I mixed it up with Daburastill, Dabura is stronger than anything in the cell saga.
>>291508827>night mothwhat. the attack is Night Guy, a play on his name Might Guy. >>291508942Raditz, maybe Nappa. it's probably about even with Kaioken first stage.
>>291509819>>291510073Genjutsu can be broken by just releasing a lot of chakra all at onceAlmost everybody who has Ki control can basically do that at any time. The only real diff would be if they realize they're under genjutsu or notMagic exists in Dragonball already and Master Roshi can already do the equivalent of genjutsu
>>291506958That is wrong because I give a fuck and there unironically exists a person that is not me that posted her before, so there are AT LEAST two people who give a fuck about her.
>>291510215I completely fucking forgot about this. He can also read people's memories. And Goku can too, he did it once.
>>291509923King Piccolo couldn't nuke the planet singlehandedly. he threatened to destroy major metropolitan areas one by one until the entire planet was dead, which is different. Vegeta and Nappa being able to ki blast a planet into oblivion was anime filler; Vegeta may or may not be able to given his boasts during his fight with Goku but Nappa definitely couldn't. Vegeta had to sit and cook his ultimate move for a full minute to try and make good on destroying Earth and it took Goku going Kaioken x3 to stay even with it. meanwhile he utterly dominated Nappa without having to go Kaioken at all.
>>291510339Vegeta def can with galick gun
>>291510339Roshi could atomize the moon with a single beam. That in and of itself would already be more than enough to destroy the Earth.
>>291510339nah Piccolo and roshi both blew up the moon and are waaaaaaay weaker than nappa and begetaIt didn't even take them that much effort
>hardcore projection
>>291510602>hardcore reality
>>291510602alll me btw
>>291510602>no friends and fatherless Every Naruto self-insert with weird obsessive "obligation" to watch Boruto and pretend to be like it.
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I think this is the English VA for madara?
>>291509118>>2915089428 gates Gai could give Tao Pai pai a run for his money and that's kinda it.
>>291511387yes
>>291511387Lol it was about Eminem, not Naruto.
>>291511995eminem released a new song called nuts?
there's something funny about hearing characters addend an honorific to gaara's name.>gaara-sama>gaara-kunit just sounds funny to me.
>>291513189Why?
>>291508390>>291508472See >>291514763Seriously, you're all embarrassing morons for defending this repetitive uncreative slop.
>>291504477>he would look like a master manipulator.Because he is. He's a god tier narcissist
