>>291601977
It's been years since I last watched the show, so this is all from memory and I'm kind of drunk:

>was she a part of humanity's collective unconscious all along or did tachibana make her?
Lain was originally part of humanity's collective unconscious. Tachibana Labs designed the Wired to synchronize everyone's consicousness (both the conscious and the unconscious parts) using Schumann resonance as a carrier wave. Eiri took a special liking to Lain, had delusions of grandeur, and hoped to gradually teach her how to manipulate everyone's conscious beliefs by editing the collective unconscious, which would allow her to shape consensus reality and essentially make her a God.
>whats the deal with her weird ass family
Her family were hired actors. Tachibana/Eiri probably assumed that Lain would need to experience growing up as a regular human being to integrate her pre-existing unconscious part with the human persona "Lain Iwakura" they had planned for her, which was required to make humanity aware of her on a subconscious and conscious level at the same time. (I forgot how organic the "Let's all love Lain" cult was, but it clearly aligned with Tachibana and Eiri's plan by reinforcing that connection.)

>>291603743
>how did she kill eiri if they were the same kind of being?
Eiri first killed himself because he wanted to live forever as part of the collective unconscious, much like his idol, as a sort of "soul backup" synchronized across everyone's memories over the Wired. Her called himself "God" to look like an authority figure to Lain until she was ready to take over. That backfired when his actions traumatized Arisu, causing Lain to rebel against him. The fact that Lain could kill his "soul backup" implies that such an artificial construct could never have the same power as an archetype that arose organically out of the miasma of human experience. Basically, Eiri could only *preach to* the collective unconscious, while everything Lain did was an *expression of* the collective unconscious.
>what happened at the end?
Lain became aware/integrated enough to assume her God-like powers, but used them to wipe everyone's memory of Lain Iwakura, Eiri, Tachibana and the Wired in order to put an end to their plan once and for all. Only Arisu retains some vague, largely unconscious memory of Lain, because Lain's actions affected her life path in a way that is impossible to rationalize away.

>>291603765
>what happened at the end? i assume its an actual god taking the form of her dad but like what does that mean?
I always interpreted that as her actor-dad (in whatever limited form he exists in the collective unconscious) addressing her through her memories of him, in an attempt to tie up loose ends and tell her "Don't fear oblivion". That scene is apparently a reference to Proust's In Search of Lost Time, but I still haven't read that so I can't comment on how that ties into the rest of the show's themes.
>what is the message of any of this?!
Everyone is connected, but in vague and subtle ways, through history and collective memory. Trying to impose one individual's views and personal memories onto humanity can only end in disaster.
>why was there an alien in like two shots only?
Probably just an associative pun-slash-cultural-reference. Roswell-style grey aliens were a big cultural meme in the 90s. So was the Freddy Kruger sweater alien-Lain is wearing. (Remember: Freddy preys on people when they're asleep/unconscious.) Arisu felt Lain psychically eavesdropping on her most private moment and tried to rationalize it, so Lain looked like an alien Freddy to her, because that's the kind of thing only aliens and supernatural serial killers can do.

>>291603765
O though Eiri plan was using lain has a puppet of sorts

>>291604177
It basically was. See:
>hoped to gradually teach her how to manipulate everyone's conscious beliefs by editing the collective unconscious, which would allow her to shape consensus reality and essentially make her a God.
His plan involved making Lain a God, but he still assumed she would carry out his will. She defied him as soon as he manifested directly in front of her, because he clearly didn't care about people at all.

>>291601977
You need to watch it at least 3 times to begin understanding it.

Basically,
She's cute

tl;dr: Nick Land's schizo plan blows up in his face big time

>>291604606
No you need to watch it maybe twice.

Then some autistic anon who can't fathom the idea that the same person can act differently in different contexts will induce doubt into your mind by rambling on about "Wired Lain" vs "Real Lain" vs "Noosphere Lain" and you'll second-guess everything you had correctly guessed, thus prompting you to watch it a third time to ascertain that this guy was full of shit and you were right all along.

>>291604913
It's funny because it's true and Nick Land can't even grow his hair as long as Eiri

>>291605300
he's NORWOODED!
SUFFAH NICK
SUFFAH BISH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq0_ApTwNH4

>>291605167
>"Wired Lain" vs "Real Lain" vs "Noosphere Lain"
The "three Lains" theory is backed up by official interviews, but most translations back then were pretty shit and most viewers were too dumb to learn Japanese in the 20 years since, so we're still stuck arguing about the implications to this day.
>the same person can act differently in different contexts
That's perfectly compatible with the show's themes, but many autists apparently have trouble understanding that.

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>>291605420
kino

>>291605420
>>291605444
I clicked this assuming it was the Gay Bar AMV and I was not disappointed

>>291601977
And you don't seem to understand....

>>291603743
>Her family were hired actors.
i wasnt sure if they were actors or real people that wired lain / eiri / other lain (subconsciously) manifested into the world from nothing. what happened with lains sister if they were all actors?

>>291603806
>I always interpreted that as her actor-dad (in whatever limited form he exists in the collective unconscious) addressing her through her memories of him,
i like that a lot better than it being some OTHER higher god that lain seemed to hint at to eiri before erasing him. so does lain at the end after hearing this erase her conscious self that tachibana grew and return to the collective unconscious?

>>291605858
lain's sister's mind got switched with her phone's

>>291605420
AMVs are such a lost art.

>>291601977
The internet is alien tech that gives humans access to a parallel world, within that world there are beings like lain. They put lain into a human body, and she gets raised in a fake family by one of tachilabs workers.
4chan poster puts his own consciousness into the wired and proclaims himself god.
Lain calls out his bullshit, as he didn't actually make any of that, he only fucked it up. he cant cope with that realization and implodes. Lain resets the world for the second time (the first time was in the ps1 game) and makes it so her Yuri love interest gets groomed by her teacher. While she gets to play Roblox forever, the end.

>>291605858
>what happened with lains sister if they were all actors?
If I remember correctly, it was implied that the Knights basically hacked her sister's mind in order to influence Lain indirectly, but that made her glitch out because they never understood how the human mind worked. The "phone" (dialup modem) beeps were just a stylistic choice to illustrate that idea.
>so does lain at the end after hearing this erase her conscious self that tachibana grew and return to the collective unconscious?
Tachibana's plan relied on integrating three parts: Lain as an archetype in the collective unconscious, the human Lain Iwakura identity they constructed, and "Lain of the Wired", the persona the denizens of the Wired projected onto her without her knowledge.
In the end, the fully integrated "God Lain" erases everyone's memories of "Lain Iwakura" and "Lain of the Wired", but not the original "Lain" archetype that arose out of humanity's collective unconscious. I think the final scene where she meets Arisu again implies that she retains all her memories (what we would call her "conscious self"), but the show never spells that out, and I'm not sure even Konaka would know how to answer that.

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>>291601977
>was she a part of humanity's collective unconscious all along or did tachibana make her?
He explains this. She came out 'naturally' spread all throughout The Wired and he found all the fragments and put them together and tricked it into seeing itself as a person
>whats the deal with her weird ass family?
Parents were both members of the Knights of Calculus. Sister is an enigma that got replaced by a doppelganger that stopped receiving its 'signal'. Maybe she only existed in the first place because Lain had been convinced she existed.
>how did she kill eiri if they were the same kind of being?
He was once a man. He put a backup of himself inside Protocol 9 and killed himself so that he would live on in the Wired. When Lain goaded him into taking physical form it made him vulnerable
>what happened in the end
Lain erased everyone's memories of her but went insane from the loneliness and isolation until she decided to start interacting with humans again to try and make friends without everything going tits up this time
> i assume its an actual god taking the form of her dad but like what does that mean?
More like a message left for her. Maybe from her fake dad. Maybe from the Prime Mover. Maybe from herself. Maybe it was just a hallucinated caused by isolation.
>why was there an alien in like two shots
That was Lain. Lain is a voyeur that likes learning everything about people. As the protocol 9 and the gaslighting of Lain eroded the barrier between the Wired and meatspace, some people began to sense when Lain was watching them. Some saw her as a shadowy figure peering into their room from the doorway. Some thought it was an alien, and that rumour spread. In some of the scenes where the camera is panning across the city while people's posting is being voiced you can hear them talking about these encounters. and when Lain comes to tell Alice that she's figured things out and undid the rumor spreading the fake Lain did, she comes in alien suit sans head

>>291604606
Or have an understanding of Shinto and Buddhist mythology as Lain in undergoing similar trials as Buddha.

Cause what you are thinking is that GOD is good as with a Abrahamic religion as there is only one god which is imposed on the reader of the bible korran as the absolute good, etc. Which is absoulte bullshit it's more a storyteller as people have to live and die even children and I can see in their eyes one GOD is more powerful than the others but only one GOD exists when there is a biliion humans rubbish.

>>291606142
i thought the whole reason the knights / eiri needed lain was because they couldnt manipulate memory (and therefore reality) themselves. is that wrong? if it's right then how did they get control of her sisters mind/memories?

>>291606295
>i thought the whole reason the knights / eiri needed lain was because they couldnt manipulate memory (and therefore reality) themselves.
I agree. That's probably why they obsessed over Lain as much as they did. But they only sought to control her, not to understand her.
>if it's right then how did they get control of her sisters mind/memories?
The segments with the "Let's all love Lain" cult imply that true believers have more influence over consensus reality than disinterested observers. Lain's sister is portrayed as a very stereotypical disaffected teenage girl, so she was probably more open to manipulation by peer/cult pressure than the average person.

>>291606471
i see. so since lain isnt really an individual but a small portion of every person's subconscious, wired lain is kind of affected by what people conceptualize her as? and since her sister was trying to figure it out and the knights wanted to destabilize physical lain, that influence made wired lain fuck with her?

>>291606295
I saw the knights as being more like otaku acting out of devotion for Lain/their ideal rather than being as directly concerned with the end of the process compared to Eiri himself

it's a new club that plays really great hardcore techno for a really hip young crowd

>>291606906
i mean, the knights wanted to merge meatspace and the wired BECAUSE they loved lain right? but the lain they loved was the wired version, and like eiri they had an interest in merging the lains to bring about the mixing of meatspace and the wired

>>291606906
they're landian cultists, the process itself is the object of their devotion, that's why they treat Lain like an object

>>291606926
I FUCKING WISH THERE WAS HARDCORE TECHNO IN THIS SHIT, BISH

Instead it's all breakbeat garbage

>>291606935
>>291606906
I got the impression the 'inner circle' only gave a shit about becoming immortal god-kings and they just spread the "Let's All Love Lain" meme to their newer recruits as part of the process, without informing them that their endgame was gaslighting Lain into killing her self so they could do whatever they wanted with her godlike powers and nobody could stop them

>>291607270
my reading as well

>>291606287
Did you have a stroke while writing this?

>>291607270
who do you mean by the "inner circle" of the knights? my memory is hazy but i thought the only knights we actually learn anything about are kinda low-level nobodies

>>291601977
were the knights created by eiri / wiredlain with a fake long history to serve eiri or were they actually an ancient order that worships the collective unconscious?

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>>291607694
oh hey the opening of Voivod - Killing Technology

>>291601977
>dad talking to lain
from the context of the scene it seems like it's just lain's memories, trying to comfort herself
his dad was never shown to have any god powers whatsoever in prior episodes, or maybe this dad and the dad from the past are different person? who knows

>>291607798
I'm afraid you have dementia, old man.

>>291601977
the show clearly establishes that Lain was some sort of anomaly, no one actually knows what Lain really is, not even Eiri, Knights or the people that created Lain know what Lain really is
it's possible she was created, and there happened to be some genetic mutations, accidents, or any anomalies that caused her to become god
or it's also possible she was always god to begin with, that begin to exist out of nowhere on her own

>>291607882
wowwait
didn't the knights say they managed to create a body for her? Wouldn't that imply she pre-exists her body?

>>291607923
I've already forgotten many plotlines of Lain
but if that was in the anime, then yes it proves she was somehow already existed before the Knights

Also one way to interpret how the VN and the anime relate to each other is that Lain goes through many loops of erasing her own memory and everyone else's, and the anime is the first loop where she chose to remember even though it hurts
Of course others will insist they are simply alternate versions of the story like the difference between RahXephon (tv) and RahXephon (movie) and that's valid too

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>>291607321

Sorry for telling you that your Abrahamic Christian "God" or your Mohammand child fucker is more similar to Lain than an absolute Good.

Might be hard to get your mind around this.

the 21st century holy war between Lainites and Haruhism

>>291608442
>Haruhi
Who?

>>291606287
you're stupid, Lain's personality is flawed like humans
while abrahamic God isn't flawed, He is all-perfect

>>291608476
Some say she was the feminine aspect of the god Shrek

>>291601977
Lain is implied to have always been a god-like entity residing in the Wired that represents humanity's collective unconscious. Her physical form was created by Eiri as a means to contain and manipulate her god-form.
Lain's (fake) family work for Tachibana which is the company that creates the hardware used for accessing the Wired. Eiri is a rebel Tachibana member who's trying to become God by hacking the Wired and usurping Lain's role in the cosmology. The Knights are Eiri's faction which he sends to sabotage Lain's family and psyop Lain into suicide.
So, chronologically, Eiri hacked Protocol 7 and uploaded his consciousness to the Wired. Then he created Lain's physical form to contain her god-form. Then Tachibana became aware of it and sent a fake family to watch over her. Then Eiri founded the Knights to psyop Lain. Then Tachibana employed the Men in Black to assassinate the Knights.
In the end Lain simply defeats Eiri and rewrites reality resuming her god-role.
The alien is just a joke. I don't think there's any significance of it beyond the implication computers were created through alien technology

>>291608373
I'll take that as a yes.

>>291608555
this is the most accurate post ITT
that also aligns with Lain being anomaly that not even Knights know nothing about

My question is this:

what about the psychic kids?

Were they used to summon Lain into a physical body?

I miss anischeralfag.

>>291608662
to research/create the Wired and stuff
but I forget whether it has anything to do with Lain
the scientist old man of that facility didn't seem to know about Lain, called her young lady, so it must mean he's not aware of godlike entity like Lain

>>291604177
thats right

>>291601977
troon anime for """"people"""" with milady profile pictures

Did somebody famous made a video on lain or sumthin.

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>>291610452
Oh so suddenly you people have a problem with The Three Musketeers, too

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Convince me of the following premices:
1. I have watch the show, Serial Experiments Lain, at minimum of a first.
2. The amesir and mosi are All Right (reasonable)
3. The Satyr is Concoruscated, still on key.
4. The Enteropath (primachrial charchater SEL's Lain Irawuka) has a strong abscess of digital taims.
5. The preprotogenitor shows an incuvring of visual tectons (when in screan) and a similar abscess of digital taims.
6. The sesterial aldogenitor shows a strong ethoteral degredation, the culminature of a Modern Soschater.
7. The Enteropath leaves a discretable tanguish of abscence in regards to mirronites, both In sckull and comportoly (Enteropath obversation zarga Alisu is to not count here, for cause of a non-mirrial relationship).
8. It is Discinnilated that Children Exclusively play Video Games (KNiGHTS, Tag). The Relationship between youth of tectons and Children is a definitory not for the case of Older Genitors.
9. There is become a defascation of the Soul and Soschietal (extention of Psuche) caused By the New Tectonic Laws which kenotes many, causing in great number a seek of new filaments (Cyberia, Drug, Digital Taims, Visual Tectons, Cult, etc.) yet permanent in others (Suicide Girl, Drug Addict).
10. The KNiGHTS and Cultists to Achieve true Kenosis, is the Assumption, yet Caught in the preprotogenitary mundities.
11. She (The Enteropath) Kills Jesus (Definitory of God), KNiGHTS, Cultists, The World to Rebuild. (Antichrist figure?)
12. With which, The Enteropath achieves pizza prime Power (no pepperoni cheese only) by inverted kenotation of the Ego (the protogenitor must be adeized to the maturation of the New Soschater).
13. Completely defascated from the Soschietal , The Enteropath speaks with the FATHER (protogenitor and preprotogenitor (Jesus and John the Baptist?)), shedding the ashes she bares (soot of preprotogenitary mundities) and a new "Pizza" "God" (of our Soschater) is born.
If these are true, the only conclusion is: Lain is Anischeral?

>>291605433
There are also explicitly three Lains (or Lain aspects) in the video game, each with their name written differently.

>>291604177
so that was his plan
that explains why he didn't kill Lain despite him seemingly not caring about people's lives as long as he gets what he wanted

>>291610791
Why did you just make up 10 words?

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>>291601977
Lain is god that dream itself as non god and forgot she was god, as such she is inside everyone.

The corporate spooks started to mess with the uncounsciousness and realized she was a center of it like they detected she was the dreamer of reality even tough they themselves could not be sure of it.

The alien was a part of lain that was awakening like a sleep paralysis entity that materialized but instead of falling asleep in a sleep paralysis type of encounter she looked at it until it dematerialized and destroyed her material world "solidity" after that episode her material reality becomes non existant and it all starts to becoming more and more schizo.

The spook that tried to become an artificial god ironically ends up awakening lain the real god to remember she was god.

>>291601977
Don't bother, Lain is forever ruined by normies