I'm honestly shocked Delicious in Dungeon didn't reached the levels of popularity that Frieren did
It's too gimmicky, Frieren got popular by being extremely generic and boring.
It's not as good
>>291689009It got pretty close, I feel (and Google Trends agrees FWIW). Frieren and DM were 2 of the most popular series to cosplay at cons I went to in 2025.But it's true that Frieren had a sort of crossover appeal to the mainstream fan that DM didn't.
It actually have sexy characters in it so it's a no no for public approval
>>291689260This but the opposite, besides one girl literally every character is ugly, and the MC is a safehorny monstersexual.
>Frieren>Less than 1 cour second "season" and hiatused manga>Dungeon Meshi>Finished manga and 2 cour second season
>>291689009>"Ahh Delicious in Dungeon, Delicious in Dungeon..."Execute official translators.
>>291689385Even just that single first episode by itself already elevates it above this entire story.
>>291689385>>Dungeon Meshi>second season KEK
>>291689547It was announced right after the first season ended anon. Yes, it's not out right now.
>>291689009Frieren is a cute elf.Marcille, meh.
>>291689009If you think that popularity has any relation to how good something is, you are a retard.
>>291689660Yes but also no, there is popular because of mass retard appeal, but also shows that are not popular because they are shit.
>>291689547It's coming out next year because Trigger is a good boy studio now.
>>291689009Dungeon Meshi is a popular anime.Frieren was a massive break out hit that even common folk got into rivaling the most mainstream shounen, to expect any given show to reach that sort of level is unrealistic.
>>291689812Popular among the lgbtqoopa crowd sure, not so much for normal people.
>>291689009Where are the cute girls?
>>291689881That's the neat part
>>291689009That's because Dungeon Meshi is a seinen made for by and for autistic RPG enjoyers while Frieren is shounen.
>>291690011But there are tons of RPG enjoyers who are not gay.
>>291689009Kys
>>291690125Yeah, retarded stuff. No dungeon meshi enjoyer is going to fall for retarded series war. Trolling outside of /b/ is against the rules OP.
>>291689547It's getting a second season. It might be a slideshow, but it will exist.
>>291689009Frieren got the better animation budget/schedule, plus a lot of shonen slop watchers turned off right away due to thinking it was just a comedy food adventure show.
>>291689547yeah?
>Why would a series that was selling 500k ten years ago that has fallen off not be as popular as a newly 300k selling seriesWHAfags ask this same question and wonder why they get humbled.
>>291689153fpbp
>>291690155Pretending that this is anything but trash is trolling.
>>291689009Frieren starts strong and slowly becomes boring.DM starts weak but keeps getting better and better.Normgroids don't have any attention span, so anything that takes its time will always fall compared to something that immediately hooks you up.
This is why this board is so shit. An OP ripped straight from xitter and you stupid ass faggots still engage it. You only have yourselves to blame at this point.
>>291690748But it actually gets worse not better.
>>291690853DM's plot progression gets better, the characters lose some of their depth
it appeals to westerners therefore its a dead end, theres a reason gridman is the only show trigger has made that has had any level of success
>>291690875They keep introducing more and more ugly characters.
>>291689009because no one is ever going to say "delicious in dungeon"
I think people just find frieren and fern hotter than Falin and Marcelle, probably because the former look a lot more childish
>>291691019The characters are designed for furries.
>>291691043isnt the author a huge fan of western media like Life is Strange and Steven Universe and posted on tumblr? maybe thats why it appeals to Americans and not Japan
>>291689009it's too unserious (at the start)
>>291689009I'm glad it didn't. It still very clearly did well but you don't that kind of Frieren level popularity. It's just retarded casuals who treat whatever they're currently into at the moment like it was the greatest work of fiction ever made.
>>291691072Pretty much. The thing is that a lot of people are on this board in the first place because they don't like the things that appeal to typical westerners.
>>291691072I don't recall anything she did regarding steven universe, though she did put life is strange as one of her recommended games on a list she had for some interview, but that list also contained japanese games.
>>291691089I don't know why theres a general implication that Meshi wasn't popular in japan or something, back in 2023 it was with the top 20 of most manga sales charts and with the release of the anime it became one of Kadokawa's top earning IP's in 2024.
You could potentially fix it by completely changing the character designs and adding fan service and shipping.
>>291691173>top 20how many blurays were sold of the anime?>>291691115senshi is just steven's dad the style of hair is the same
>>291691173Because it's shit and received a ton of hate.
>>291689153trvthnvkem
>>291691173Speaking of ugly ... things.
>>291689009Comedies don't have the same ceitical reception as moody dramas, just like with movies. You'll rarely if ever see a comedy win an Oscar for best picture.
>>291691205> The Japanese media conglomerate Kadokawa Corporation recently revealed their top sales by IP for the first quarter of the fiscal year (April 1 to June 30, 2024). The Delicious in Dungeon franchise topped the quarterly sales chart by a long margin, earning at least over 2 billion yen (over $13 million USD) in revenue (source: GameBiz), although a specific figure was not disclosed. > https://x.com/Erzat110/status/1738216326634877215?s=20
>>291691371It underperformed for the size of their investment.
>>291691371High production anime costs about 6 million for 12 episodes, they are barely breaking even.
>>291691420>>291691485source?
>>291691540Look it up if you don't believe me asshole.
>>291691560If you're gonna claim something you should back it up
>>291689009>Delicious in DungeonGo back.
>>291691371>net sales including licensingwhat was actually sold if the animation bracket is larger than the publishing bracket?
>>291691661Lurk more newfag.
>>291691705not seeing any evidence bud
>>291691734You are not going to either, you'd already understand why if you weren't a newfag.
S1 of One Punch Man hit normies like crack hit Harlem they fucking LOVE nonchalant heroes casually obliterating unambiguously evil monsters. Just something about it makes them cream their shorts, I mean look how far Mashle has got. Dungeon Meshi is more like Mob Psycho 100, less broad appeal but well-put together and easier to judge after having concluded. Frieren being OPM is ambiguous it could go manga or webcomic.
>>291691827>can wank>goodVery funny.
>>291689009I hate to say this because it sounds pretentious, and part of what I like about Dungeon Meshi is how non-pretentious it is. But Dungeon Meshi is unironically too high IQ to appeal to normalfags like Frieren does.Frieren is aesthetically deep and intelligent. It explains its themes to you with all of the subtlety of a sledgehammer between the eyes. Characters make serious emotionless expressions as they stare wistfully off into the beautifully drawn landscape with their hair beautifully billowing in the wind at a high framerate. It's perfect for a midwit who wants to feel smart, but doesn't actually want to think too hard about what they're watching.Dungeon Meshi doesn't put on a front of being intelligent, it's just intelligently written and actively rewards you for thinking about it more and asking questions. Most questions about DM, whether it be about the world or characters, is probably answered in some piece of supplemental material, or at the very least the supplemental material gives you enough of a precedent to come up with a reasonable answer on your own.
>>291689009Frieren got better adaptation but a worse manga.
>>291691827>normiesGo back.
>>291691794so you've got nothing, good to know
>>291691883>it's just intelligently written and actively rewards you for thinking about it more and asking questions.so basically the reason it didnt resonate with the popular consciousness or whatever is the reason 90% of humanity watch the slop we do
>>291689153Just as hero himmel intended.
>>291689547retarded sataniaposter
>>291691993I have the satisfaction of beating a newfag in an argument.
>>291691883Questions like why is this so fucking gay?
>>291691883Well then DM sounds like garbage writing
>>291691173Because in modern parlance "popular" means something that is spammed constantly non stop. You're not popular when you're good and people liked you, you're popular when you get posted 24/7 with machine like consistency.
>>291692122Furries are not people.
>>291689009trigger kinda fucked it a little.
Just looking at western anime tracking websites. Myanimelist1. Frieren - 1,531,298 (945,438 rated) 2. Meshi - 619,862 (320,766) 3. WHA - 462,103 (208,807)Anilist 1. Frieren - 490,681 (303,231 completed)2. WHA - 233,337 (100,445)3. Meshi - 229,944 (125,508)Frieren's second season is 625,224 (307,477) and 231,658 (126,162)
>>291692227Why are you adding an even worse anime?
>>291692247This thread is just reciting a tweet about WHA but changing the subject. You can see it here >>291690125
>>291692181It's probably their least "trigger" work so that's good for people who don't like trigger but I think trigger fags were probably expecting different.
>>291692275>allow me to explain my current rent free status
>>291689153this. frieren filtered the shit out of chuds which made it a safe watch
>>291689153Frieren is generic, boring and only just ever so SLIGHTLY smart enough that morons feel like they're clever for watching on it.>No see she felt a sad because of her friends deaths so it's like about mortality and time and stuff. But it then mostly ignores all of that so they can go in dungeons and shoot kamehameas.
>>291692390What do cannibals have to do with this?
>>291692411Truth bomb
>>291689385Slow and steady wins the race
>>291691205>Man who've only watched Boss Baby...
>>291692521>I know what this thing I'm mentioning isSelf burn
>>291692411>>No see she felt a sad because of her friends deaths so it's like about mortality and time and stuff.Hilariously, Dungeon Meshi tackles the same theme a lot better despite it not being focused on nearly as much.
>>291692611That is hilarious, unfortunately you are the punchline.
>another I AM SO SMART AND EVERYONE ELSE IS DUMB threadpretty embarrassing considering these are the posts of physically adult people about cartoons for children
>>291691883well... you're not wrong. frieren has that aesthetic and calmness that makes you think "oh, this is artistic" because it vaaaguely evokes stuff like ghilbi but only in the most superficial level. yes, it is pretty but that's really about it, the problem is that most people, even here, only understand "art" as a synonym for something beautiful, even if it says nothing, people have this idea that pretty things are inherently artistic.frieren is just part of that group of anime that appeals to the masses because it is familiar enough. "it looks like one of those pretty japanese movies and the setting is kinda like lord of the rings" that really is enough, and of course the characters have engaging dynamics fitting for the masses aswell. frieren is kinda like a grandma but also a child they have to take care of. will fern and stark be a thing? is frieren also in love with himmel? it simply hits many boxes, even though the check marks are as superficial as they get.dungeon meshi is "smart" simply because it was planned so naturally you have to pay attention. that's really about it, and that's enough for /a/nons to act like that's pretentious
the first several episodes felt extremely formulaic and became boring. people say it gets better but i'm not interested.
>>291692795It's true that one looks nice and the other is ugly.
>>291692795Yes. Just like a lot of TV. is the idea that people dont like to think when reading or watching shit foreign to people on this board?
>>291692611Sure, but it doesn't have a big fancy money shot of the MC looking sad and beating the audience over the head with the message while the soundtrack does all the lifting. It just, you know, tells a story.
>>291692795Can we just acknowledge the anime adaption of Frieren was really competent?There's beautiful scenery and composition, the cinematography lingers to make you feel the space and mood and immerses you in the world. The source material is kinda on par with seasonal isekai, the characters seem superimposed on the background and the architecture is traced, this makes the anime a huge step up.By contrast, the DM manga is an artbook full of beautiful illustrations, and the studio actually has to downgrade it to be able to draw enough frames. Trigger has its own charm, but they never sit with you and make you FEEL the world.
>>291689009I think the first few episodes ruined its chancesThey didn't make a good job of setting the mood for the later story; should have omitted the excessive early gag scenes.
>>291690234I thought it was this octoberIts so fvcking over
>>291692574getting a lot of boss baby vibes from this one...
>>291693723Fag.
>>291693779It's what the discussion is about, how only fags like Dung Meshi.
>>291693779Stop liking evil femboys
>>291691019This, Meshi characters look uglier compared to Frieren ones
>>291689153No. Frieren got popular because it was a native isekai. People could copewatch it by saying that "it's not isekai, it's fantasy" while it had every isekai trope possible.
>>291693968I hate it but he's right.
>>291689009I think I do understand the issue, which is that Dungeon Meshi doesn't beat the audience over the head enough. It generally respects the viewer's intelligence.It shows the party losing because they're hungry and not on their A game.They mention that revival magic exists offhandedly, even mentioning Marcille's first death and asking if someone can be revived from poop.They mention that the dragon has a slow metabolism and will digest Falin very slowly.It assumes that you're smart enough to put 2 and 2 together and conclude that they're in a race against digestion rather than death, and that while they are on a timer, they don't need to rush and it's better if they don't because they don't want to confront the dragon while running on fumes again.Needless to say, I think that respect is misplaced and has made the series less accessible.I've looked up multiple reactions of episode 1, and in a lot of them, the reactor asks>Why don't they care about saving his sister? Isn't she gonna die if they don't hurry up?That said, I think that DM's level of popularity is ideal. Popular enough to get a full, high-quality adaptation, but not popular enough to attract a horde of retarded bandwagoning tourists.
>>291694019The issue is that most people are not gay.
>>291694019With it barely breaking even you should be ready for next season to have a massive drop in quality.
>>291689009I have the patience to sit through Frieren so far and I couldn't even get past the first 5 episodes of Dungeon Meshi. food autism is so lame and boring
>>291689009Should've had a tournament arc, I guess.
>>291693659>Can we just acknowledge the anime adaption of Frieren was really competent?I think you should acknowledge that competent isn't really a compliment.
>>291694019I think the saddest aspect to genuinely intelligent media is that most of the audience is genuinely retarded.
>>291694091Gonna be real here, if Frieren started with the tournament arc, I don't think we'd even still be talking about it.
>>291692411When you get mogged in the "waxing emotional about the fleetingness of life" by a long name isekai story, you know you got problems.
>>291689153fpbp>one off villain that shows up in the second arc>less than 5 minutes total of screentime>gets turned into a plot device and jobs instantly so protagonist can aura farm>still 3rd most popular character TO THIS DAYit stands as a testament to how absolutely nothing and substanceless this series is that Aura was never surpassed
>meshi>not pretentiousHAHAHAHAHA
>>291694184That whole episode was made to farm youtube reactions.
>>291694154>>291694184That's another big thing. Frieren is frontloaded with the best part and runs out of steam the longer it goes on. But most viewers will stick with it because they remember when it was good.Dungeon Meshi continually gets better as it builds up and ends damn near perfectly. But most viewers won't even get that far because the weakest part is the beginning.
>>291689009The plot-the way the story progresses-is the worst aspect of DM. The first chapter is also rushed.
>>291694209DM only gets gayer as it goes on, even if you stick with it it just gets worse.
>>291694134It's a positive attribute. If I was asked to complement it and that was all I could come up with it would be damning with faint praise. But that is not the context.I am emphasizing the skill of the creators, that is a compliment.
>>291693659Competent is the understatement of the century.The studio took, I agree, a story on par with a seasonal isekai, and put it in the conversation for the best anime of all time through presentation alone.
>>291689009DunMeshi is too highbrow for normalfags.
>>291693659>Can we just acknowledge the anime adaption of Frieren was really competent?
I've not touched it, but at a glance, DM gives me the impression that the author is trying waaaaay too hard to make it as nonsexual as he can get away with without completely turning everyone off. Like he has no libido or is actively working to contain it. It makes it come off as extremely unnatural to me.
>>291689009Dung meshit lost, trigger is garbage
>>291692072That's a tautology.
>>291694593>He doesn't know
>>291694593The main character is sexually attracted to monsters.
>>291694593The author is a woman and she's horny for elves. There is no romance the story is purely adventure and comedy.
>>291694790>the romance doesn't count because they are monsters
>People arguing over how "niche" their favorite show is just so fucking tiring sometimes.
>>291689009It looks like something made with the disgusting Western animelite style of shit like Avatar and the fanbase got filled with retarded lesbians who crucified anyone who didn't ship the elf with the sister of the main character, it was never bound to reach the popularity of something like Frieren.
>>291693659>You are now imagining a version of dungeon meshi with anime-original shots of the group traveling and navigating the labyrinth, establishing shots of stone and trap gears, and unspoken character moments not explained by dialogue.
>>291689009I think both are good but Dungeon Meshi is more thought out and manages to land better the feeling of fantasy adventure compared to Frieren. I'm thankful it's a finished manga with a second season already in production too, so no blue balling the audience until the end of times, but I really want to watch the next Frieren season, the cliffhanger at the end worked on me.
I like both Dungeon Meshi and Frieren.
I liked season 1 of frieren and Dungeon Meshi and have finished the manga for the latter but anime only for the former. Havent finished season 2 yet for frieren but seeing the explanations of how demons are just written poorly kinda steered me away from it. Though id still sex frieren and fern so it doesnt matter end of the day.
>>291689009idk man, Frieren is pretty deadfrieren just happened to be the fotm season that got into the normiesphere like jujutsu kaisen and all of those that get turned into memes which sucks because you can't discuss it anywhere anymore
Honestly I like that frieren is the popular anime for normalfags. Its the perfect nothingburger lightning rod that keeps them from shitting up my WHA and Meshi threads.
>>291689009So what is the author of Dungeon Meshi doing these days? Still taking it easy by rolling in the royalties of the manga and anime?I wish she would make another story set in the same universe next, would be a shame to not use all that world building that she built up over the years during Dungeon Meshi's serialization.
>>291695680Is that what this thread looks like to you?
>>291689009Because yurifags ruined everything
>>291695782Rent free
>>291695809There's always one tumblr tourist here who feels called out whenever you shit on them.
>>291695730The official cookbook just recently came out, and she did the art for that. Plus she'll presumably be doing more illustrations and extra comics for the blurays/endings for the second season, too. other than that, who knows. This is her first proper serialised work. the rest were all oneshot/anthology stuff or webcomic tier drafts. She clearly put a fuckton of work into Meshi's worldbuilding, so I imagine she'll either stick with Meshi's world and set an entirely new story in it with a new cast and new theme, OR will take a lot of time and think up a new detailed world to make a big story off of, OR will just go back to doing oneshots and anthology stuff.
We won thoughbeit, Trigger panders to yurichads
>>291695855Go back to sharty.
What is that?
Did you know that the girl who made this doujin now works on DM S2? Well, let's just say you should brace yourself for more of this in a year.
nuh uh
>>291695878>>291695962Called out and seething. Go back to your cuckshed.
>>291694593The author is a woman.Pic totally unrelated.
>>291689009Frieren Season 1 was objectively insanely strong at building a fanbase.Possibly one of the best to ever do it. Season 2 was noticeably worse for that because that was a slumped portion of the manga. Trigger really didn't squeeze out all the appeal of Dungeon Meshi in my opinion.
>>291690748>DM starts weak but keeps getting better and better.Dungeon Meshi's first half is stronger than the second half. The conflict with the demon is not well executed and betrays the environmentalist themes that made the first half interesting.
>>291697034How can an opinion be this objectively incorrect
>>291691883>>291692795>>291693659I don't think Frieren is the most amazingly written story, but the animation really helped squeeze out all the juice the series had regarding feelings of wistfulness. Which is an emotion that the modern world really fucking loves. Any media that is able to evoke that emotion well gets popular. And when that wasn't the case, the anime took the manga's pretty mediocre action sequences and made some extremely good fights out of them. Personally I think that all of this is more down to Madhouse being a better anime production company with a better direction team than Trigger.
>>291697088I cast my pearls before swine. Vantablack was the only improvement going into the second half.
>>291697158Slinging shit everywhere is nothing like casting pearls little bro.
>>291694586That chapter was dogshit in the manga. The only way to fix it would have just been skipping it entirely because the timeline proposed made zero sense with the presentation given.
>>291697034Absolute dogshit opinion
>>291689009Frieren is more normalfag friendly. Dungeonmeshi is more for us autists.
>>291694593This is forcing a criticism. Not having any substantial fan service is not particularly unique.
>>291697205It is the objectively correct opinion.The best chapter in the series is the Kelpie chapter. It never reaches that height again.
I like both Frieren and DM for different reasons, this anon is right >>291690155
>>291697223This is forcing a rebuttal since he is right.
>>291694593You are a butthurt shipfag
>>291695680every wha thread while it was airing still had the same fucking retards spamming and raiding i have yet to see a non shitposted one
Frieren is such a bad show. The worldbuilding breaks apart under the smallest scrutiny.
>>291697278If you are were being objective you would acknowledge how much better the second half is. You are either trolling or just stupid.
>>291697373>worldbuilding breaksThis implies there was a foundation in the first place beneath the pretty lights, score, and animation
>>291697356Nice.
>>291697424Oh, but they try. They do a piss poor job at it, but they try. My favorite one is the "anti-magic rocks" that would seem like the most important thing for many characters to have and use but its only introduced for a gag.
>>291689009It's only a tiny bit better than Frieren shit. The bar isn't set high here.
>>291697390The second half fucks the environmentalism aspects pretty hard, and then it bloats the cast with boring characters that end up not doing anything for all their time on page. Flamela is the only one that was worth introducing because she's literally pure sex.
>>291697581>environmentalism aspectsThat's not even a theme of the series. You sound like you have poor media literacy.
>>291697597It is, the fact that the dungeon acts like any biome and needs to be balanced and people should respect it is a major theme but >>291697581 is wrong because it doesn't get fucked.
>>291689009I'm not. Frieren is high concept with a strong premise that quickly becomes a meandering by the numbers fantasy adventure. This is a strength however in selling it to normalfags who don't want anything too unique or challenging. Dungeon Meshi gradually builds an intricate world, and its strength comes from the fruition of so many different arcs, subplots, and details being united by ironclad theming. But most viewers will have tuned out long before then and Laios being a literal autist made it hard for many to relate. There were a lot of early criticisms he didn't seem to care about his sister potentially dying, and that's emblematic of the writing being too subtle. Meanwhile Frieren might as well have lit up a "please cry" sign at all the emotional beats.
>>291689009Because it is unironically peak. From what I've nticed, the best series always either get ignored or just kind of exist without reaching a high level of popularity. Just google a list of the most popular anime/manga series and you'll understand.
>>291697813>There were a lot of early criticisms he didn't seem to care about his sister potentially dyingBut OnK having a sister fucker MC is fair game! Fuck western society.
>>291697597>That's not even a theme of the seriesThis isn't a matter of media literacy. This is a matter of just basic literacy, which you clearly lack
>>291692494JEB!
Honestly re-reading DM has made me realise just HOW good it is. The way to manages to tell a good story without compromising its premise is impressive. The story goes many places but food and cooking remain central, the world building is first class (just compare it to Frieren lmao). The art is great and there's a serious attention to detail. Don't respond if you're an anime only
>>291694019Feeling the need to nearly break the fourth wall and explain themes and subtext to the viewer/player/reader is probably one of the most common things which writers do to drag down their quality of their work. Frieren itself would be a lot better if it didn't feel compelled to hit you with a>the meaning of the story is...just about every episode.
>>291695923Excellent news anon
>>291698442does that actually happen in s2 of frieren i havent caught up on that myself yet
>>291698485There isn't any meaningful difference in presentation or tone between S1 and S2.
>>291694586"This bridge took Shitfuk 3 billion years to build"
I'm tired of these forced fights between two anime fanbases for no other reason than just being similar
>Dungeon Meshi Tumblr coded gay woke slop for foids and "foids">Frieren Based and redpilled Kino for heterosexual White Men
>>291689009I challenge the notion Dungeon Meshi isn't more popular.
I think the issue is the first few chapters of the manga werent really improved upon by the anime as even outside of the art theyre sort of mid compared to later ones. DM starts of as pretty good but not amazing but gradually gets better. The point at which it "clicks" in both formats is the red dragon fight and the rest of the chapters on the 4th floor with Izutsumi also actually adding to the cast a few chapters after. Due to this it sort of filters people way harder. I think the same wouldve happened with Frieren if it didnt air the first 4 episodes in one go as it wouldve gotten a more cult classic following had those been aired weekly. A similar sort of thing is whats happened with WHA when others have mentioned it in the thread. The first few chapters arent bad but theyre nothing to really think greatly about and you dont have the author's (who is a bitch) good art and panelling to draw you in. Except WHA takes far longer to get to the meat (and even then its mostly the art carrying it) to the point it needs 4 seasons to get to it.
>>291700703>author's (who is a bitch)Elaborate?
Frieren is just objectively good. It's LotR of anime. Dungeon Meshi is simply just okay. It was good in the beginning but massively dropped in quality when author decided to drop the interesting cooking gimmick and turned it into generic battle shonen crap but fantasy. Wasted potential.
>>291700774Dungeon Meshi never dropped its cooking aspect. Even when things got more serious with the demon it still had episodic cooking chapters and the manga literally ends with a banquet, which is what people were expecting to happen. Laios also defeats the demon by eating it.
>>291700767She's a diehard globalist leftist, I cant remember the details to a degree to make a quality post about it though another anon might. I also use death of the author for WHA.
>>291700810It introduced too much unnecessary shit. If it continued being a chill SoL about walking around the dungeon and eating different monsters without any forced pretentious shonen slopped plot it would be better.
>>291693968you said the exact same thing with different words
>>291694593>He didn't see the succubus chapter Good news, you're incorrect!
>>291700826>hates jews>leftist That's not how it works. She seems pretty based to me
>>291700867It was never a "chill sol", anon. The first part was about getting to Falin, the second part was about chasing down the lunatic magician, and the last part was about killing the demon that ran the dungeon. And throughout all of this there were more slice of life chapters. You making things up doesn't have anything to do with the series itself.
Why do DM fags constantly try to start flights with Frieren? How insecure are you? Pathetic behavior, no wonder your series flopped.
>>291700911The median western leftist in current year hates Israel with all their heart.>>291700826I thought you were talking about Kui, nevermind.
>>291700911Anon thats like saying communists are based because they genocide people. Theres more nuance and other opinions to consider alongside that. Plus she's only doing it for Palestinian shit which is just the current 'thing' for retarded leftists. She isnt /pol/ like.
>>291700971Wtf I love leftists now?
>>291700987Leftist are right.
>>291700949Its mostly one DM hater trying to false flag as he spammed the first few threads of the current DM daily threads. Tbh he's likely also the anon who keeps making 'hating Frieren's demons is immoral and makes no sense' bait threads.
Not sure why you retards are incapable of enjoying both good things desu. Fucking seajeet invasion truly fucked this board
>>291698226The fact that none of the character arcs, conflicts, or worldbuilding revolves around environmentalism maybe should have clued you in it's not a theme. There's like one and a half characters that mention it as part of their characterization.I mean you have to see the contradiction here of claiming the reading is self-evident for anyone with media literacy but also getting mad that it isn't actually fully there.Dungeon Meshi's theme is about eating well not being just an indulgence, it is important to physical and (importantly) mental health and human connection. This is a theme that's actually continually reiterated. "Eating is the privilige of the living."
>>291701060You forget that these people are tourists from /v/ where shitting on the other team is part of the fun (fuck Snoys).
>>291692390what is a "chud"? It sounds tasty.
>>291701060Is impossible, you can't like two things!
>>291701081Retard
>>291689881Here
>>291690875>the characters lose some of their depthWhat? We didn't know anything about the characters at first besides their basic quirks, what "depth" were they supposed to lose?
>>291697131>I don't think Frieren is the most amazingly written story, but the animation really helped squeeze out all the juice the series had regarding feelings of wistfulness. Which is an emotion that the modern world really fucking loves. Any media that is able to evoke that emotion well gets popular. I agree with this, and it's why when I watched the first 3 episodes of Frieren I thought they were incredible and thought it was really going to be something. But then the rest of the series just kept doing it again and again without any new ideas to the point that I'd just roll my eyes any time that another wistfulness moment came up after being telegraphed for 5 minutes.And mixing it with so much random uninteresting stuff didn't help.It's also true that the DM anime just didn't have much going for it in terms of art an animation. I wonder what a Frieren-level adaptation for DM would have looked like, maybe we'd find out that the more cerebral themes of DM just don't have the same potential for being enhanced by an anime adaptation as the Frieren wistfulness.
DM is good but I think it would be better if Kui just wrote and hired a better artist to draw. Her artstyle is too tumblresque and kinda politically coded which is probably the main reason for it lower popularity.
>>291697597The entire reason that Laius succeeds throughout the first half is that he and Senshi treat the Dungeon like a natural biome to study, understand, and navigate according to its rules. That is pure environmentalism. The Dungeon has to be understood as a natural environment for anyone to succeed in trailblazing through it. Those that rely on pure power (like Toshiro's group) can only follow Laius and co., and end up more easily disabled than them because they lack understanding. The cooking is important because it shows how they have to literally live off the land as they go. Hunting and foraging, relying on understanding what they're dealing with to not poison themselves or be malnourished. The Kelpie chapter is probably the series best, because it reasserts that the Dungeon is a natural environment. With wildlife that is not sympathetic to you. That even seasoned veterans have to respect what they're dealing with every day, or die for it. This disappears as the Dungeon is turned into more and more of an artificial construct and its rules matter less and less as the spectacle of the series is heightened and the environment starts to become more distorted and less focused on. Ending with the entire dungeon being swiss cheesed as the Demon grows in power. The next instance of the manga to getting back to its earlier style is the dragon battle royale. But that is a short few chapters and doesn't reverse course.
>>291689009It's simple really.Frieren is more popular in Japan but Dungeon Meshi is more popular in the west. That is because Frieren is a seinen/light seinen and requires a certain level of intelligence, patience and emotional intelligence to appreciate hence why it resonates with Japanese more.Dungeon Meshi on the other hand is a shonen/hard shonen which can be easily consumed by anyone irregardless of their intellect hence why it's more popular in the west.
>>291700937>The first part was about getting to FalinExcept that the first thing the story does is establish that they actually have quite a while to get there because reptiles digest slowly. This is basically what every open world vidya does. "Solve this problem, but you don't have to like rush or anything". Where the intent is for the player to just fuck off and explore around and chat up NPCs. In Dungeon Meshi that means more chapters of daily exploration and chicanery, the strongest parts of the narrative.
>>291701744>Frieren>Seinen>Meshi>Shonen>irregardless
>>291701693The reason Laios' party survives is because they take care of their own bodies. "We've been having three square meals a day, that means we're taking this more seriously than you!"The worldbuilding goes into detail about the ecosystem of the dungeon, and Senshi is show to care about not disrupting it. But that's a far cry from environmentalism being a theme.Environmentalism is "A political and social ideology that seeks to prevent the environment from degradation by human activity."If environmentalism were a theme the heroes would be contrasted with foils that exploit and damage the environment.>Hunting and foraging, relying on understanding what they're dealing with to not poison themselves or be malnourished. I think the disconnect here is about verbiage. You're talking about what I would call "survivalism."
>>291689009Story about exploring the world and learning from people doesn’t resonate as well as one about slightly changing your worldview. Probably for the best though since the latter attracts the worst kinds of people.
>>291701999>If environmentalism were a theme the heroes would be contrasted with foils that exploit and damage the environment.Good thing they were you fucking retard
>>291689009Its a fairly slow series and has a more male dominated cast
>>291701693>The entire reason that Laius succeeds throughout the first half is that he and Senshi treat the Dungeon like a natural biome to study, understand, and navigate according to its rules. >That is pure environmentalism. The Dungeon has to be understood as a natural environment for anyone to succeed in trailblazing through it.That's not environmentalism, it's just the "autism" that people always talk about: how Laios and his party are at an advantage because of their genuine interest in the dungeon and how it works. And I wouldn't call it a major theme, it's mostly a device for the giving an unique characterization to Laios, Senshi and Marcille and to give a believable reason of why they are able to succeed against the odds.Ultimately the main theme is mortality. Inside the dungeon, the rules of mortality are altered, changing how the character relate to death, fatal risks, the death of loved ones, etc. And for that reason the best chapter is undoubtedly the one with the rabbits, where the rules of death reach their complete reversal in an absurd carnival of corpses, but at the end of it Marcille finds the same specter of death and loneliness as she would have found outside the dungeon, and is finally pushed into her deal with the devil.
>>291702132this doesn't really hold much water when dungeon meshi has more relevant female characters than frieren does and they're also much more relevant to the plot
>>291701999The only reason Laius and Senshi and their party could eat, is because an effort was made to understand what existed around them and how it worked. It wasn't just, "grab the nearest monster and eat chunks out of it". When Laius did that he got ill, twice. Environmentalism isn't just Ferngully. It also is in media that depicts the complexity of the environment, and the need to understand it. Where instead of the message being explicitly, "save the trees!!!". It can be implicit, "you are lost if you don't understand how the trees work". Dungeon Meshi's first half is completely that. If the Party didn't understand how the environment worked, they'd have failed. Kabru's party was the counterpoint to them. Kabru was smarter than Laius, faster than Laius, and more talented than Laius. But he never sought to understand what he was dealing with and he failed repeatedly. The beauty of the environment was also very important. Many chapters, especially early on, used the environment itself as a focal point for impactful illustrations. Same goes for characters that had learned to live with, rather than against, the Dungeon. And the wisdom they imparted.
>>291689009It's a better Konosuba...a hotdog with avocado is still meh compared to the fine cousine that Frieren pulls.
>>291702345>because of their genuine interest in the dungeon and how it works.ergo, environmentalists
>>291697679Themes about the food chain and cycle of life are not the same as environmentalism. You have poor media literacy.
>>291702345Laius being a 'monster otaku' is funny and he is characterized as psychologically abnormal in general. But also him just being interested in the monsters and how they worked and what their anatomy was like, was a key part of what made him different from the other party leaders. A genuine interest and respect for the world around you, is one of the key pillars to environmentalism. Like I said in the other reply, it isn't just "save the trees". It is also, "you are missing something important inside if you don't understand how the world around you works". Works can exist purely to make you develop an interest in a topic as a means of spreading an ideology. The Hunchback of Notre Dame is not a book that exists plainly to communicate to people that old buildings must be preserved. But instead it communicates to people the importance of structures like Notre Dame by making it a focus of the story that is also about other things. Victor Hugo wrote that book in order to convince the Parisian population to renovate old and degraded structures, but he didn't do it purely through putting out sympathetic pamphlets. Dungeon Meshi using examples of Laius and Senshi using their understanding of the environment around them as a way of navigating difficult challenges, is the same thing. Mortality is a focus. That is correct. But that reinforces my claim, in a certain way. The cycle of life and death is often a key part of how natural environments work. Things die so other things live. Preventing that death, like Thistle does, is unnatural.
>>291689009Dungeon Meshi doesn't have the mid-life crisis hook of Frieren. The truth is a lot of people identify with Frieren as they grow older, especially childless Westerners. Dungeon Meshi is much more of a light adventurer romp, so there isn't as much discussion and speculation and emotional attachment as with Frieren.
WHA clears both since it has actual lolis unlike the safe horny cast of Freiren/DM
>>291702427That's just survivalist, retard kun. Adapting to the environment is not an environmentalist message. If Laios was trying to stop other adventurers from going into the dungeon, or petitioning it to be closed, or any similar action, then yeah you'd have a point.But they don't, so you don't have a point. They are just being respectful and adaptive in a hostile environment.
>>291702651>he is characterized as psychologically abnormal in general.Thank god the neurodivergents didn't latch onto him and the series.
>>291689153trvkie, redditren is literally a battle shonen at the end of the day once you go past the "ugghh... living thousands of years is so tough, I have so much to learn from those charming agelets..." meme.
>>291689009One is a speciffic product of autism based on old DnD campaign and the other is tailored to normalfags and the concept dies after first chapter because author doesnt know what to do with it. Friern is shit and cant even be properly classified as Beyond the Journey story, because the Demons were never fully defeated, so they are basically fighting the same enemy. It is just continuation of the same journey. Proper Beyond the Journey story is Tolkien´s New Shadow, because Morgoth and Sauron were defeated and the new villain was a human cult that has spread through out Gondor.
>>291702693We've been ignoring that guy all thread and now you've gone and given him the attention he craves.
>>291702693Only insufferable tards (you) sees a story where someone is toughing it out in the wilderness and thinks the theme is to protect the environment.
>>291702923S-sorry.
>>291702802thanks for admitting "safe horny" is a pedo dogwhistle, pedosis
>>291702537Are you the type of persona that needs the character to explicitly say something s a things to understand it?The fact the heroes need to understand how the dungeon works and respect it, while their opponents instead just steam rolled their way around without thinking is a major thing. And sometimes is as simple as a joke were you need to have walking mushrooms in the upper levels because you can't magically coerce nature to fit your whims.
DM fans and the hate they feel towards Freieren is fascinating to me. I wonder if it's because DM attracts a lot of certain types who look at Frieren demons and see themselves in them hmm
>>291702928Of course! Legendarily, survivalist enthusiasts hate the environment. Ever read Hatchet in grade school? The author was a mountain man in his own right and cared deeply for nature. This is typical. Many others writing the same types of books as him are the same. Only a retard without any common sense thinks that someone that is going to write deeply about nature and living in it and having to adapt to it, is not going to support preserving it.
Delicious in Dungeon appeals mostly to the reddit millennial crowd(who are a dying breed) thanks to so lany quirk chungus characters and constant quips.Frieren is more cerebral.
>>291703246And what kind of people would that be, newfren? What kind of projection instead of actual arguments shall you grace me with today?
>>291703418Well documented facts are not projection. I'm not on anyone's side but it's a fact that Frieren is mostly enjoyed by people on one side of political spectrum while DM is enjoyed by people on the other side. Hence the constant shitflinging.
>>291703131>Are you the type of persona that needs the character to explicitly say something s a things to understand it?No. But obviously you are.
>>291703246but most DM fans are also Frieren fans. What the fuck are you talking about
>>291703939>no unice comeback nerd, really showing that knowledge for an engaging discussion
I like both D in D and Frieren because I'm not a faggot loser immigrant goyslave.
One problem with Dungeon Meshi is that it's too sanitized and reminiscent of modern DnD. I mean for fuck's sake you even have orcs who are actually really good guys and just totally misunderstood by other meanie races.So tired of this shit, Tolkien would be turning in his grave
>>291703986"no u" exactly what you did after I pointed out your poor media literacy to begin with. You just rephrased what I already stated about you prior.
>>291703967>>291704002Nobody likes a fence sitter.
>>291704031Tolkien actually regretted making a sentient race intrinsically evil.>>291704002You sound like you need to fuck off
>>291704061It's less of a fence and more like a wide open field where the mentally adjusted anime fans reside.
>>291704061You can't just build a fence in the middle of a broad field and tell me I need to be on one side of it you fucking cretin.
>>291704083Doesn't change the fact that evil races like lotr orcs a lot better than any of current year slop orcs and "evil" races who are not actually evil(except Warhammer orks, those are fun)
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>>291704189Dungeon meshi orcs are pretty alright for what they are in japanese fiction: pig people. Also, the world isn't really sanitized even if the attitude of the main party makes it look that way.
>>291704045No, I point out some of the clear examples of environmental themes on the manga, which you clearly ignored and had no answer for. But I bet your next post is going to be yet another bunch of nothing no worthy responding to.
>>291704189Ontological evil races that are not made of magic like say D&D demons (that just turn into angels if they become good because they're not made of actual matter nor can they die in the physical plane) make no sense because living, thinking beings tend to go for collaboration as a better strategy, unless something like resources is involved. So "every single orc is evil all the time because it just is" raises a bunch of questions on how and why.
I’m currently watching DM and finding it way more fun than Frieren. Characters are expressive and the story has a good balance of being silly and knows when to take itself seriously which makes the darker moments hit harder. Even the worldbuilding and monsters are more interesting compared to Frieren. Frieren’s comedy feels forced in a lot of the time like having Frieren randomly get eaten by a Mimic for the 100th time or just making fun of Stark because the series needs a punching bag. The world building there is just having random villages that you’re emotionally manipulated to feel something for since Himmel did a cool thing there once. It says a lot that the demons are the only thing that generates any discussion for Frieren since they’re the only things that add anything to the barebones plot.
>>291704482Stark being a punching bag and his relationship with Fern never progressing outside of the designated episodes is really fucking lame.
>>291694215Fine by me. Plot and worldbuilding is so overdone in anime (shonen slop being the worst offender) it's quite refreshing to see character-driven stories like Dungeon Meshi or Demon Slayer. Conflict between characters is fundamental for an entertaining story and yet it seems only some female mangakas understand this, while male mangakas like to focus in crap like coming up with the next best power system after Nen.And let me just say that Nen as power system is a fucking joke; seriously, >a whole category (specialist) designed to justify any asspull the writer needs to keep the plot moving foward.Pathetic.
I just think it's weird and suspicious how defensive certain people get about how demons are treated in this singular piece of fiction treating demons as manipulative prey beasts.In general, the idea that a race of creatures can lie to prey on you seems to be something that needs to be attacked by Them no matter what. Which means it may be true.
>>291703901The fact that you think this is about politics proves you are merely projecting very, very hard. My issues were always about the story being just bad. Friern was always only good fro a single chapter, carried hard by Himmel. And the fact that it was never able to move away from that, how many chapters later, while also very clearly not being "Beyond the Journey" story but just continuation of the same journey. Another example of actual Beyond the journey story is Nier, where Replicant is the original journey, and Automata being After the End Requiem, in a world where humanity is dead. >>291702922
>>291689009Because is absolute garbage, imagine an isekai with even worse characters than the usual, that's literally it.
>>291695040>I liked season 1 of frierenThey lost me at "oi, you got a loicense for that magic!" Leave it to Asians to rob all the wonder and mystery out of magic with asinine bureaucracy
>>291704031>orcs who are actually really good guys and just totally misunderstood by other meanie racesYou didn't read the manga or watch the anime
>>291701060They're kind of different kinds of fantasy overall.DM has strong worldbuilding, Frieren just kinda wings whatever it needs at the moment. Both have a strong central theme that's more important than the world.Both have good characters, Frieren lays almost everything on the table immediately and brings new ones as needed (same thing as with the world), DM takes a while to grow the strong main cast in.DM has elf politics, but has largely unpolitical themes. Frieren is vaguely reactionary, which is why /pol/ loves it.Frieren is more popular because the anime is honestly an incredible achievement in direction, art direction and pacing. It's not revolutionary, and it's going by fairly standard fantasy tropes, but the execution is phenomenal.I like both.
>>291706076>Frieren is more popular because the anime is honestly an incredible achievement in direction, art direction and pacing. It's not revolutionary, and it's going by fairly standard fantasy tropes, but the execution is phenomenal.See this is why we can't like both. It's because idiots like this see, think and say this and then the bar gets lowered for everything.
>>291697597environmentalism was always 'a' theme, just not 'the' themeit really wasn't all that important
>>291691205>every curly haired person is a steven universe expySure I guess.
>>291691357>moody dramafrieren is NOT this
>>291705055It's not that people have an issue with Frieren demons being manipulative or liars or predators, the issue with them is that they're inconsistent and badly written.
>>291701046Actually they are left, god you are retarded.
>>291701365No.
>>291706566On a certain level I actually appreciate an anime were the demons are actually, you know, DEMONS instead of pretty good boys and girls who didn't do anything wrong waifu bait, but they went to hard to try and come up with an explanation rather than just saying, THEY'RE FUCKING DEMONS! This isn't hard. We've been at this a while now.
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>>291706566False, see >>291704396
>>291706766Dungeon Meshi's demons are much better thought out.>>291706907>that are not made of magicNice reading comprehension, faggot.
>>291706991You hate the concept on a fundamental level and that's just your cope. As to why you hate it it's because you are fundamentally evil.
>>291689153fpbp, everyone in frieren sounds like they're on horse tranquilizers.
>>291706900>y
>>291707165Oh, god. It's soporific as hell. Every character. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING CHARACTER has the same boring cadence. Every conversation goes as such>Look a thing.>Eeeeh... that sure is a thing.There's no contrasting personalities to everyone. In Dungeon Meshi you have characters who are all kinds of weird but also straight men to bounce off.
I watched DinD twice and read the whole manga twice and all the artbook material too. I dropped F as soon as it plopped its tournament arc in my lap, and I laughed the manga off the screen after one random chapter. Do I own anything a buyfag would? No. Is DinD the only manga I'll pay money for in a way that it reaches the author, given the opportunity? Yes. Why isn't everyone like me? I dont know but lets keep it that way.
>>291707045Ah, so you have the so called /pol/ induced brain rot. I see.
>>291707362Stop being normalphobic you bigot.
>>291689425Was it one of those cases where the Japanese mangaka picked the English title despite not being fluent in English?Otherwise it confuses the hell out of me, it sounds like when you get when somebody does a clunky literal translation except it isn't one, the actual literal title - Dungeon Food - sounds less awkward itself and could easily be tweaked into something that has a better ring to it like "Dungeon Eats," or "Dungeon Cuisine," , "Dungeon Dining" if you want to do the cutesy alliterative shit, or whatever along those lines.
>>291706766>On a certain level I actually appreciate an anime were the demons are actually, you know, DEMONS instead of pretty good boys and girls who didn't do anything wrong waifu bait, but they went to hard to try and come up with an explanation rather than just saying, THEY'RE FUCKING DEMONS! This isn't hard. We've been at this a while now.I prefer what Frieren does because their demons don't just feel like sadistic people with horns, in fact non of them seem to "want" to hurt you, it is just what they do. They give you enough hints to explain what is going on, made of mana, possibly created, compelled to hunt humanity(includes elves and dwarfs) despite not needing too, no guilt or empathy, the answer is that monsters and demons are obviously a self evolving type of magical terminator. Unlike like a single minded terminator that makes its attack immediate, this type of monster / demon just has a slight compulsion leading it to live a life outside of its mission, bread and propagate before dying in battle. A long term strategy that means they can't be wiped out in one war and are always there to at least be a consistent harassment and roadblock to humanity. I think the final answer to these things if the author ever decides to pick up manga as a profession again will be to fix the code so they can you know, just not.
>>291707230It's actually clever
>>291704949>Plot and worldbuilding is so overdone in animeI found the worldbuilding very boring, as it featured neither original dungeon designs nor unique creatures.Basically, it was just here’s a generic dungeon room full of orcs, or here’s a generic room with a dragon.
>>291707436>Was it one of those cases where the Japanese mangaka picked the English title despite not being fluent in English?Don't know if it was specifically Kui, but Delicious in Dungeon was the english title chosen by the magazine. You can even see it in the japanese tanks.
>>291694593>Non-sexual>When Chilchuck was married>Shuro and Falin were dating >Marcille is a fierce shipper who thinks about romance 24/7>Mithrun talks about his cucked himGranted Senshi is asexual, and Laios is a manchild, but even he was aroused by Marcille. Also, plenty of other characters talk about their relationships, crushes, or being married, etc.
>>291707475The point is that it takes generic creatures in a generic dungeon but it gives it an explanation that makes sense instead of taking it for granted.
>>291694184>her name is literally "Aura">hype moments and aura
>>291707638>Shuro and Falin were dating They really weren't, Shuro proposed out of nowhere and Falin considered accepting because it's better than being an old maid but that was about it.
>>291707712Yeah, and still went out together
>>291706566It's not inconsistent or poorly written, that's just what you default to when your criticism is questioned. You haven't named any examples defending your point, you just assert it hoping retards will ape it.
>>291694593>nonsexual
>>291707471Congrats, your bait made me confirm my suspicion that it's not a straight translation. You get points for it making more grammatical sense than English if nothing else.
>>291707541This is Witch Hat all over again. They need to consult an English speaker.
>>291707436I actually quite like Dungeon Dining.
>>291708147The English title on WHA's Japanese volumes is "Atelier of Witch Hat", which sounds much worse than "Witch Hat Atelier". Whether to use those kinds of titles is probably something decided when licensing them I'd imagine. WHA's Japanese title translates to "Atelier of the Pointed Hat" or something though, which sounds worse than "Witch Hat Atelier". And "Dungeon Food" sounds kind of generic. Unless you're advocating for them to make up some other title like some localized manga do.
>>291707541>Delicious in Dungeon was the english title chosen by the magazine. You can even see it in the japanese tanks.Ah, that explains it. I wish they hadn't gone for it with the English release, it sounds stupid and might be part of the lack of popularity OP is pointing out.
>>291708048I love these kinds of panels/pages, they remind me a lot of Berserk.
>>291708240I don't mind changing words like some of your Dungeon Meshi suggestions but it has to retain the same meaning. Otherwise, I'd rather have something accurate that doesn't sound as good. It's good enough for the main audience already, right?
>>291708433You mean that gay manga where the MC is dating a black guy.
>>291707756I think Laios got in the way, and Shuro proposed to her even before that
>>291689009The adaptation was mid in every aspect.
I can't decide whether "Beyond Journey's End" or "Delicious in Dungeon" is a worse English localization.
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>>291689009Frieren has the benefit of people arguing over Demons to keep engagement up
>>291707682>>291694184>>291689153i see it now. My brain knew it but you put it into words
>>291709071I can't decide how the missing cod piece is the fault of Kui being a woman.
The whole aesthetic of the world in Frieren bugs me. It's not like DiD isn't standard video game dungeon crawler aesthetic but they do keep things actually IN the dungeon for most of it. Characters look and dress in ways that feel more appropriate. Frieren just feels too modern. Like everyone is walking around a fairly contemporary Europe. You even eventually get fuckos in WW2 attire.
>>291709227I think it's just that the cod piece would be fabric and the dullahan is all armor. There's no padding or underarmor clothes in there (which there would be if it had a real knight in it)
>>291702651Nothing that you're saying is false, but you're starting with your predetermined conclusion that it's about environmentalism and working backwards to see traces of that everywhere. This character has a genuine interest and respect for the environment in the dungeon? That's environmentalism. This other character has genuine interest about this specific part of the environment, and it's not even clear that he respects it rather than just being obsessed with it and sort of fetishizing it? Well, that's close enough to environmentalism. This other character has genuine interest in the dungeon purely as a magically created system that can serve as a mean to her end of completely changing the rules of life and death? Well it's still sort of like the genuine interest thing, so it still counts. The theme of mortality has some minor overlap with environmentalism? Looks like you just proved my point.It's not like DM has nothing at all to do with environmentalism, but the original claim that that was clearly all that it was about and it was wrong for it to move on and to look at its other themes from other angles in the second part doesn't make sense. You're the one who just unilaterally decided that it was about environmentalism and it shouldn't be about anything else.
>>291709814>sure the facts support your conclusion but I'm mad so it doesn't count
>>291709878Enjoy being wrong
>>291689009Marcille is so good. Probably because the manga is written by a women, you can feel the difference in her personality. She's perfectly feminine in all the ways men naturally find attractive.
>>291709878>retarded midwit cant even comprehend metacognition or bias.
>>291710081You are just coping because you lost an argument.
>>291710167Im not that anon, my point was that you didnt acknowledge how he pointed out how retard you are with regard to bias and how it makes your argument weak. Youre the one coping as you literally resorted to 'hurr durr Im right btw here's my greentext chodepost'
>>291710202I'm actually not that anon either, so being biased towards someone else's argument makes no sense.
>>291694593manga has uncensored earholding
>>291694593The most dangerous threat to an adventure manga is a love affair between adventurers.
>>291710657>tfw you end up telling Marcille you're a kissless virgin
> 300 posts> Nobody shitting on the OP for writing "didn't reached"ShamefulOP is a fag
>>291706298Genuinely what comes to your mind as a stronger 1 season of anime?
>>291689009Frieren has the sissy red haired guy who always moans like a bitch
>>291709814What could you describe the thesis statement of the manga as up until the Red Dragon fight? With the deliberate counterpoint of Kabru's on-paper more competent squad versus our party of misfits and what differentiated them. With multiple chapters of the cast going gaga for Senshi's understanding of the dungeon and his ability to live in tune with its rhythm and ecosystem. With chapters like the Kelpie having Senshi almost get Grizzly Man'd over finally getting too cocky and forgetting that the world didn't exist to serve him. With all the focus being paid to de-gamifying the monsters and environments encountered and treating them like animals rather than statblocks. All that together doesn't let me walk away with any message other than one connected to environmentalism. The cast is not very large and most of the characters aren't particularly deep by that point. The lore of how the Demons work doesn't exist yet. To me it was obviously a story that was basically about teaching the readers about the need to care about the environment around them and learn about its functions. That the natural world is interesting and complex and something that you should wonder at. And that those that know it better, get farther than those that try and brute force conflicts. Otherwise all of that was just page filler. Which doesn't make any sense. I'm completely willing to admit that the story lost interest in that topic in the second half. But I'm also totally of the opinion that was for the negative and what took its place as a thesis statement was weaker. I did not care about the Canaries. The lore of the demons was not all that interesting and demystified the wrong things. The cast grew and grew but most characters didn't do anything interesting. Flamela is the exception because I'm a horndog for bitches like her.
>>291709143the rapist has become the raped
>>291710687Too late to that. Now /a/ is a ESL board
>>291711007The entire thesis of the manga is "To live is to eat"
>>291689153Frieren frontloaded all it's good ideas before succumbing to generic shonen tropes, while Dungeon Meshi was a slow burn the realization that this is a well thought up show comes way later.
>>291706900the french title, Gloutons & Dragons, is also pretty solid
>>291711328Dung is a pile of wood soaked in piss so you can't even start a fire.
>>291711536I can't make hears or tails of your analogy.
>>291711565He's trying to say that he's Saudi and likes Solo Leveling.
>>291711565>I've never been outsideYou see people have been talking about burns like a slow burn, but wet wood doesn't burn.
>>291711565That's because the Trigger schizo is some jackass from South America, just ignore him
>>291711593If you think the manga fails to garner engagement through sluggish pace, you're broken. The pace becomes fucking breakneck at the halfway point, even. It didn't even break 100 chapters before the story was complete, there was no holding patterns.
>>291711565He's from the northern part of southern Ohio.
>>291689009As someone who likes both (DM way more) i genuinely don't get it. I guess perhaps it's because DM at its core, feels more like a comedy with hardly any battles. Frieren is a shonen, which instantly makes it more popular
>>291711618The fire never starts, they are still trying to light the wet wood when it ends.
>>291711645DM has a battle just about every other chapter, but they don't last as an entire volume-long arc. They just stab it to death and eat it.
>>291711676Yeah, that's pure delusion. Unless you are the kind of person that NEEDS tournament arcs and constant big name attack spreads, DM is engaging.
>>291711691Homosexuality isn't engaging.
He's been doing this shit for nearly 3 fucking years, how are you chucklefucks still getting baited?
>>291711293You need to place "an" before nouns that start with a vowel, anon, even for an acronym
>>291711770I think this is a different guy, the original fucking ritualposted with autism hats and hasn't been around in the dump thread in a month.
>>291711007>With multiple chapters of the cast going gaga for Senshi's understanding of the dungeon and his ability to live in tune with its rhythm and ecosystem.That was the weakest part of the manga for me. It was still good on net because there was still a lot of excellent character introduction and worldbuilding going on, but the pro-Senshi message was being laid on way too thick and it was starting to get repetitive and uninteresting. The chapter where Senshi was ignoring Chilchuck's instructions on how to avoid the traps and somehow avoiding any consequences in particular was a bit dumb. I remember being very relieved when all of that stopped in the kelpie chapter and it started letting all characters show something interesting about themselves.As far as the thesis statement in the first half, I guess there wasn't too much there yet. It was mostly an exploration of how all the different characters were bringing in something different. Kabru was presented as an anti-Laios and his skill was observing and dealing with people instead of monsters, and it just happened to not be what you need when going into the dungeon.I guess I can see why you'd see it that way if you thought the pro-Senshi message about how the guy in the woods knows what's up and the city slickers don't was particularly engaging. But I found it fairly banal and unoriginal and it was getting in the way of the worldbuilding and the characters, which had plenty of unique and interesting ideas. I was more than happy to have the first half just set up the world and the characters and wait for the second part for the more interesting themes.
>>291689009It's fuckin retarded, dmtards kept saying>nnnoooooo you have to wait for when the lion appears!!! You don't understand it's peakkk!!!And nothing changed it keeps being retarded shit as usual
The author should've stuck with the demon king ending
>>291711879The Lion should've changed into look when he attacked monster Laios. It would've been cool.
>>291711946I disagree entirely, standard doofy laios with the power of god is way scarier than dark lord laios.
Both inferior to Witch hat atelier
>>291711809I suppose it could be a skinwalker but referring to it as "Dung Meshit" is his signature
>>291711969Dung Messy.
>>291711962Okay. How about the demon changing into the dark Laios armor at the end of a chapter, and at the beginning of the next chapter he takes two steps before thinking "fuck it, this is too heavy" and changes into the regular Laios armor?
>>291712034Decent gag. dunno why the demon would go evil with it so it needs development there.
>>291703246Are you insane?
>>291689009Dungeon Meshi is a cool series with great characters, but it has almost no appeal to straight guys.Frieren on the other has a lot of that, just look at how much porn is made out of it.
>>291700971So leftists are BASED now?
>>291712203YeahDM is made for foids
>>291712311I don't think it's focused on that, but you can tell just from reading a few chapters that it's clearly made by one, from art to writing.
>>291712050It doesn't, the demon has chunni tastes. That's why he picked that dress for Marcille and always becomes more menacing when he acquires more power.
>>291705459>the wonder and mystery out of magic with asinine bureaucracypointing it out yeah its much more bullshit than what one would expect out of a fantasy. Dunno if ill bother finishing up frieren s2 being like 1/3 the way in atp
>>291712370It doesn't help that they they excuse they gave was that the northern continent was so dangerous and filled with super scary shit but it's no different than any other part of the world. I was expecting it to be some kind of frontier hellhole with danger around every corner.
>>291703901Are you american perchance?
>>291712507
>>291712203dungeon meshi is for incest gods imaging laios banging his sister and arguably Frieren is mainstream to the point that slop is constantly made with it, while ive seen a handful of doujins that has the female protagonist have most of the features of falin
imagining* its over
>>291712530>dungeon meshi is for incest gods imaging laios banging his sisterNah, most dungeon meshi porn is literally yaoi shit made by foids, and most Falin porn is safe horny yuri shit.There's no point in coping about that, there's almost zero appeal for male coomers in it and it shows.It's not necessarily a bad thing mind you, but it obviously is going to limit the overall popularity that the show can reach, specially in online spaces.
>>291712203This might surprise you but just because a guy is straight doesn't mean every piece of media he engages with needs to be filled with naked or scantily clad women.
>>291711316Knowing what to eat and how to eat it is what let the Party live. Just taking random bites out of monsters would have left them all dead on floor 1.
>>291712634falin thing is my one cope yeah. Her and the big oni are the only ones i found sexually appealing throughout the entire manga, somehow wha has it better with their token fags and disability hires but im a lolicon to boot so maybe its just bias
>>291712660Marcille's foot shows were enough
>>291694418> I agree, a story on par with a seasonal isekai,Frieren's story has issues, but comparing it fucking isekai is just retarded.>>291705055Ignoring any conspiracy theories I may have, I blame modern D&D and fantasy in general. The idea of having different races that are simply hardwired to be incompatible with each other is alien to a lot of readers. Even Kimetsu/Demon Slayer had good demons. Non-sense.
>>291712634It's necessarily a bad thing.
>>291712662Well yeah, that's all part of eating. It explores eating from multiple angles. There's conservation to eat more, there's preparation, there's nutrition, and the villain is literally focused entirely on the enjoyment of eating itself.
>>291712766chiifuyo has a more compelling and interesting story and setting than frieren. but im not sure if i can count shoelace as isekai
>>291712660The only surprise is that you can say something so ridiculous with a straight face.
>>291712802falin kept me going and the story was interesting enough for me to binge to completion and i have pornhwa and doujins on the side so losing some sexual appeal is kinda a non issue
>>291711677This, big drawn out fights aren't really what Meshi is about. The enemies and the groups fights against them are treated more like puzzles most of the time. Just "ok how can we take advantage of this monster/enemies traits in order to win, and once they figure that out, its usually over pretty quick.
Fimblr keeps breaking all the ballista so I can't kill it to drop it in the lake. What do?
>>291713199nvm figured it out. Fimbl only ever targets the Arisen so you can just press "go" and your pawns will use the ballista while you stand behind a wall.
>>291713199>>291713270anon wrong tab
>>291711837For me, Senshi was the tour guide necessary to convey the ins and outs of the environment the characters were in. He was preachy, but he wasn't a genius at everything - like with his inability to handle magic. But he was the guy that had spent the time learning the ropes to survive. It didn't have to be particularly original, it had to be particularly well executed. And I think early Dungeon Meshi handled the idea of a world of monsters close to the best regarding making it feel natural. Even sillier monsters still had something to them that was fun and appealing and felt believable. That was lost as it went and the focus became more and more on the characters as people and the central quest with the demon. Which to me was just less interesting. Like, I'd rather read something like Helck, than the second half of Dungeon Meshi. But there isn't something that has the same quality of appeal as the first half.
>>291713299hehe sorry
>>291689009Living off the land is one of the most unrelatable things there is to a modern person.
>>291713304Think it was senshi's presence that let me handwave some monster issues in the second half as with the environment. if frieren had actual substance and thought put into world and background, pointing out flaws wouldnt harm the story as a whole, where i now look back at some parts and only see it as retarded in retrospect like the anti magic rocks not being utilized or seen as a threat for one
>>291689009yeah anyway izutsumi and feathered falin sexo where I bury my head in her feathers and inhale
>>291712203You know how gay guys sometimes make a personality out of being a faggot that loves cocks and assholes?Same applies to retards like you that make a personality out of being a faggot that likes tits and pussy.It's obnoxious, get an actual personality or kill yourself
>>291715197>black is whiteShut up fag.
if anything all the off model art is what helped frieren more. i completely forgot Fern's a moeblob that wears granny clothes. I cant find izutsumi attractive since shed be a literal FOREST down there and thats not appealing at all for me at least>>291715197nta but if youre going to insult someone at least use the right words >a faggot that likes tits and pussy
>>291715212looks like you're killing yourself
>>291715244Make me.
>>291712203>but it has almost no appeal to straight guys.so things like DnD, Warhammer, Lord of the Rings have zero appeal to straight men by your measure?
>>291715282This is what happens when women try to use logic and fail.
the correct words are that you have to try hard to jack off to most of the characters in DM while you can easily make fern and frieren off model which is basically all fanart for the two
>>291715353>you have to try hard to jack off to most of the characters in DMOnly if you have low lest. Basically all of the girls and some of the boys in Dungeon Meshi are very fuckable, even the ones that are somewhat ugly like Hien or Pattadol.>you can easily make fern and frieren off model which is basically all fanart for the twoI agree with this part. The designs in Dungeon Meshi are more complex with things like specific eye shapes that make them harder to pull off without them looking too "cartoony".
>>291715743Shut up fag.
>>291715743i do not want izutsumi's amazon jungle pussy anon
The reason WHA and DM failed:
>>291716043>implying fern's bush isn't even thicker than izutsumi's
>>291694593Ironically I think Dungeon Meshi feels like a world where sex actually exist while not making a big deal of it, unlike Frieren which makes spicy jokes but the kind a tween would make without knowing the real implications of all. Like chilchuck fucks, or at least fucked a lot but none cares about it but Marcille which is only interested on the gossip aspect.On the other hand one of Frieren's most popular jokes it's on the line of "waaaaah, look at his weewee so small, wahaha".I mean, makes sense since Meshi is a seinen and Frieren a shonen. You treat lewd elements differently regarding you audience.
>>291689009Unironically too many characters, there's not one main focused character they can easily mass produce as figures, arts,pins or throw into Crossovers like Frieren, who is basically now just "anime elf" to most people and many are fine just having her, meanwhile for DM you gotta get the crew or don't bother at all. Basically Frieren is 2B from Nier.
>>291715212RIGHT IS WRONG AND WRONG IS RIGHT
>>291716120>mom look mom i made another tranny compilation
>>291716120>deliberately search "dungeon meshi" and "queer" on Shitter thinking their opinions matterYou know, you're something of a queer yourself
>>291689009Dungeon Meshi kind of suffers from being an insider's story I feel. Like it's a good general story but for it to truly pop you need to already be knowledgeable or at least interested in the concepts it explores. Frieren doesn't require really need any existing knowledge base to pop, it's just a generic tolerable story with two relatively pretty main leads and a story that's basically episodic with an anime with plenty of beautiful scenic shots. Dungeon Meshi also suffers from the problem of being too well written I feel? As in the story avoids having any holes in it big enough to cause constant discourse on how people want to interpret it, Frieren's poor handling of demons is a boon for its popularity its a constant point of yeah but the author doesn't really portray these supposedly human hating monstrosities that will always hate humanoid life and will always be looking for their downfall as being entirely unredeemable monsters since they give them moments of humanization and the fear in their eyes as they lose. A big part of what makes shows that are consistently talked about well after their run time is making it something that has a solid enough story to be enjoyed but enough problems, holes or unsolved mysteries to spark discussion for years to come. Dungeon Meshi doesn't have any of those.
>>291710984>>291712203Both statements can´t be true at the same time or... can they?
>>291690331>>291690861>>291691235>>291692411>>291702902Incredible B8. Too bad Frieren is great>>291692390Frieren was made for chuds. Only Sois watch shonen reddit tier Black Clover, Demon Slayer slop
>>291703246>I wonder if it's because DM attracts a lot of certain types who look at Frieren demons and see themselves in them hmmLike 70% of Frieren fanbase dedicated enough to do shit like a campaign of stirring enmity between series are demonfags. This is not up to discussion, just look at Frieren fanfics on Ao3. The recurring ideas motivating a majority of longfics are "I wanna be a demon", "I wanna fuck demons" or "I wanna save Aura from her canonical fate". So if we go by this logic, it is friendship between Frieren and DM fandoms that should be forced.
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>>291716619Yunyun clears all girls in Frieren and DM
>>291707463You, sir, are a rare breed of anon: one who looks at a piece of fiction and sees it for what it is, instead of trying to bend it for sake of a RL agenda.Frieren's discussion is really polluted by the fact that a lot of people see it as an advocacy of - or assault on - their stance regarding RL racial problems.
>>291697813>There were a lot of early criticisms he didn't seem to care about his sister potentially dying, and that's emblematic of the writing being too subtle.It's not even a matter of reading subtle emotions. The story makes it pretty clear that Falin died near-instantly when she was eaten and they're on a quest to revive her and the LCD don't even get that.
>>291700774If anything, I think Dungeon Meshi is a better contender for the LotR of anime, if not for popularity than at least for being good for similar reasons.LotR and Meshi are both defined by the sheer level of dedication to the characters and setting, and the attention to detail. The biggest difference between them is the ideologies of the authors and the cultures they were born and raised in, but I do think Tolkien and Kui are cut from the same cloth.If Tolkien was unfrozen and became curious about Japanimations inspired by his works, I'd definitely recommend Dungeon Meshi to him before I'd recommend Frieren.
>>291716998>I think Dungeon Meshi is a better contender for the LotR of animeEru no. >If Tolkien was unfrozen and became curious about Japanimations inspired by his works, I'd definitely recommend Dungeon Meshi to him before I'd recommend Frieren.There are so, so many things I would suggest to him before even thinking about either of these shows.
>>291716551>Dungeon Meshi also suffers from the problem of being too well written I feel? As in the story avoids having any holes in it big enough to cause constant discourse on how people want to interpret itThis sounds fucking retarded on the surface, but the more I think about it the more sense it makes.Something being flawed or somehow incomplete encourages audience participation in a way.Wherever there's something that feels unexplored, or something that you don't like and wish you could cut out, that's breeding grounds for projecting what you want to see, iterating on it, perhaps even creating your own work inspired by it. Or just complaining and arguing, which is also fun in its own way.
>>291717217There's a lot of things that are generally well regarded but almost never get the same number of threads. Or if they do it usually pretty quick to end. Threads about good stuff either have to be really broad enough to include a number of good things or you have to hit it at just the perfect time of day and day of the week. But post some shitty shounen or trash fire anime and you'll get 500 posts in a couple hours. I wonder what it really says about us that we can't discuss good things nearly as well as we can bad/
>>291689009I'm surprised any of these two pieces of shit is popular at all, when they are no different from your run of the mill seasonal isekai crap.It just have a bit more budget.
>>291717299Really? I think given the anime landscape lately it'd be more surprising if they weren't. Frieren especially is the kind of shit reviewer faggots love. Illusion of sentimentality and low fanservice? they'll eat that up.
Honestly, this was a very terrible visual. It makes the series look like everyone's going to be total cornballs with a quirk chungus atmosphere, I can see why it might push people away. And if I'm being honest, the volume covers where everyone has a weapon swapped out for some sort of eating utensil or cookware is kind of gay and lame too, except for the first volume cover and maybe the one Falin and the one with Izutumi.
>>291717327I get they need to sell the gimmick but it really does undercut the series sincere side.
>>291689009Anyone with functioning braincells could see from a mile away that this was going to be westoid pandering garbage which always does terrible.
>>291717321I don't judge things on a curve. even if everything else was worse, they would still be shit.>kind of shit reviewer faggots loveah, yes. those faggots that should be in the hobby to begin with. How... relevantOh, forgot to add that both have terrible, western friendly, almost tumblr in places, character design
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