Say something nice about the Franchise Hero himself, Son Goku!
>>291717126HeroIconSavior
>>291717126Gokek is no hero.
>>291717126The only anime character that people won't look me weird for
https://files.catbox.moe/kio6ab.webm
>Violent Rockslop opening>Cut Yamoshi lore>Most scenes unironcally have NO music at ALL, it feels like you are watching a horror movie>Cut 50% of content>Zero jokes>Made everything super edgy>Removed soulful slice of life filler>No story recap and teaser for the next episode>Removed the narrator
>>291717296yup yup the chadmake truly is an all around improvement
>>291717296Where are the drawbacks?
>>291717409The drawback is that it's soulless and not Dragon Ball
Her lips are drying out...
>>291717296I'm sorry, who was Yamoshi again?
>>291717475The original Super Saiyan God
>>291717296Goku isn't a retard anymore and that's makes you mad ?Hopefully they redo the future trunks arc as well. Goku was massively stupid in it and the ending was so bad.
American Goku = Batman, Justice, Messiah
Beerus was never scared of Jiren's power. He was worried for Goku because if Goku failed then he'd be erased.
>>291717612Is Belmod one of the stronger GoD or weakest? Beerus admitted there's GoD even stronger than him so then which ones? If Belmod is one them Jiren is stronger.
>>291717577you just know some mexican hung this on his wall and prays to it
>>291717149>meanwhile, here's SHITjita's best performance against GODrus
>>291717167Saitama... you are #1!
>>291717296how the fuck are they going to stretch this to 19 episodes if beerus is already on earth 2 episodes in
>>291717876The original is 41 episodes, lil bro
>>291717880why? what did then even do in that time other than adapt bog?
>>291717400>>291717409>>291717475>>291717550>>291717876Why do you retards keep mass replying to the same copy pasted post over and over againJfc you're so stupid and pathetic
>>291717908discussion is le bad
>late 2026>there is no confirmed return date for the manga
>>291717948You can begin to panic when the anime catches up. It'll be the 2030s, give or take.
>>291717948the writer is dead actually
>>291717884rof and U6
>>291717296Isn't this like thr 3rd time they've animated this? Its not that old.
>>291718007However, Toyo is planning the Black Frieza arc.
>>291717126>can match toon force without using SSBKKx20 GODku is a hero for exposing toonfags.
>>291717671Beerus never admitted that. Whis said it was a rumor and Beerus denied it, saying it was just an arm wrestling match.Belmod is not stronger than Beerus.
>>291717475Yamoshi is Goku's FUCKING BITCH.
The greatest martial artist to ever live.
>>291718344Muten roshi... fucker of chichi.
>>291717876DBS Beerus covers multiple arcs.
>>291718344Boruto aura mogs that retard.
>>291717948Toyo is busy with the moro anime
>>291717296If you think this shit is edgy you probably watch bluey
>Okay the Saiyans will be here in 1 year>Are you going to make any Senzu Beans?>I will make 3>What if Goku gets crippled in the fight?>No matter me>This seems like a massive problem waiting to happen >Don't care
SAITAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>291718186>>291718856You're unironically retards, holy fuck.
TARDku jobs to Light Yagami by the by
I am the smartest...
/ourqueen/ is finally playable
>>291719208
>>291719208why are female saiyans so FUCKING sexo and why is there so FUCKING little of them
>>291717296You look like the kind of faggot who thinks Toei Filler is great and thinks Kid Buu is the strongest Majin Buu and that Super Saiyan 3 Goku is stronger than Vegeto.
>>291719276Everyone is saying this.
>>291719453>Toei Filler is greatIt is and filler has been an integral part of the franchise since the beginning
If daipa was Toriyamas vision does that mean Toriyamas vision was shit?
>>291719157Nos Héros !
I need my daily dose of Dragon Ball.Thank goodness for Dragon Ball Super: Beerus.
>>291719524I hope more people realized by Daima that Toriyama alone is an acquired taste and Dragon Ball was a fluke.
I can still hear Saitama ordering his favorite food, it's like he never left us...
I....I like Damian
Marry and Reproduce
>>291719664Goku's girlfriends
>>291719664Why doesn't Trunks look like pic rel anymore?
>>291718979Not an argument, Paco the cuck. GT and Daipa lost.
>>291719496It has always been fucking shit. People talk about either the driving episode or the Arlia episode as if there weren't 100 more episodes, including two full filler arcs. And all of it was shit.
Just an unfriendly reminder that Gomah is the most powerful character in the DB canon
>>291719524Yes. He was an old Japanese man. Jap humor is notoriously impossible for anyone who didn't grow up with it to get. It's basically potty humor. That's what he liked. It's what Dragon Ball started as and for a while he resented it because when it blew up he had to keep drawing it and his editors wouldn't let him fill it with that sort of gagshit because they knew it wouldn't be profitable. Toriyama left to his own devices produced utter shit 99% of the time.
All the memorable scenes in DB were either>Toei filler>A decision by Toriyama to do less work (eg: SS having blonde hair because that way he wouldn't have to ink it)>A decision made by one of Toriyama's editorsWhenever Toriyama actually tried to put effort into DB, the result was terrible.
>>291719836Jiren's battle suit adds more power.
>>291719836Not even top 20.
>>291719920>>291719938>Power that rivals SS4 (a form that surpasses any divine form due to Daima taking place after Super)>Immortal>Indestrubitibcle>Can regrenater his body from any wound
>>291719953>(a form that surpasses any divine form due to Daima taking place after Super)
>>291719953That's like saying Zamasu or fucking Garlic Jr. are the strongest. They are demonstrably not, SS3 farting baby toddler Goku could have killed Gomah if not for the immortality gimmick.
>>291719920>>291719836
>>291719979Gomah evolved a lot during the fight. In the final episode he was fighting on the same level as adult SS4 Goku and then he became strong enough to ragdoll him around
>>291719998And SS4 would job pathetically to Beerus.
>>291720039Wasn't SS4 literally stated to have the full power of Ho Chi Minh the first super saiyan and super saiyan god?
>>291719919That's why we all agree while Toriyama created Dragon Ball, Toei are the ones who refined it to the best series of all time.
>>291719157gocuck would be on the commie side
>>291719919This is the sad truth. What Toriyama is good at is character design and fight choreography. He sucks at everything else.
>>291719774Because this is a frame from a Toei fanservice movie and Trunks doesn't look like this in the actual canon material
Is Dragon Ball more raped and humiliated than One-Punch Man?
>>291719157I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for peace. I am protector of the innocent. I am the light in the darkness. I am truth. Ally to good! Nightmare to you!
>>291720159Close enough though?
>>291720213No that would be Bleach
>>291717126Dragon Ball can't adapt to the post filler era. Might as well not make it anymore.
>>291719919>>291720148>>291720125This is retarded. At least 90-95% of Toei fillers are laughably bad, OOC, and take away from the story in general, destroying the tight pacing. The whole "Toriyama never tried" myth is also profoundly retarded and taking his later interviews at face value, Toriyama evidently put in work in what he did, these insane drawings and this level of polish doesn't spawn out of nowhere. Even writing wise, Toriyama is one of the few shonen mangaka that doesn't have all characters same the same general consciousness pool with shared up-to-date knowledge, Toriyama characters will make wrong assumptions about things based on what they know. 99% of what's good about Dragon Ball comes from the manga and Toriyama's raw artistic skill (this also includes editorial feedback, as this is part of the entire creative process), with the remaining 1% being... Toei soundtracks, a few good scenes here and there (most Toei scenes are bad, though), good 90s promotional art and maybe the solid Buu arc artwork too (horrible animation and choreography but good art).You know what happens when Toei tries to make Dragon Ball? Dragon Ball GT. Failure on every level.
>>291720403>OOCLiterally all of Super/Daima is OOC garbage and that has Shartiyama's hands all over it.
>>291717126Loses to asta and black clover.
>>291720507>main character is part of the black bulls>lives near the spade kingdomTien's favorite franchise.
>>291720710>AIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, BEJITA-SAMA TASUKETE!!!
>>291720710He tanked that. The pic on the left is the after photo where he stood his ground to protect his property like his hero.
>>291720471That's writerToriyama from the 2010s, not mangaka Toriyama from the 80s.
>>291720815You mean the 80s when he had editors to check him and his retarded choices?
>>291720826It's not a matter of editors, retard. It's a matter of having a talented, inspired artist drawing and writing actual CHAPTERS, including storyboarding, panels, dialogues, artistic sense and everything, as opposed to a fucking napkin that says "and then the Daima gang loses their ship again, but later they find another. Then they free a city and fight a bull. Then they fight a Tamagami and that green Buu guy wins by doing a funny"
>>291720848I would argue all of that is because he had editors to push him and give feedback. Like in Daima he isn't refrained from whatever retarded idea comes in his head because everyone just Yes Mans him. When he was releasing the manga there were checks and balances.
>>291720889Editors telling him "hey, this (already great Pilaf arc) isn't selling so hot, we need a focus on fighting" doesn't change the actual polish and quality of the chapters, which relies on Toriyama's artistic sense and flair which were absolutely top notch. I'm not saying editors don't matter, they do and they're part of the process, what I'm saying is that you're attributing the wrong reasons for Super being bad (the real reasons being Toyotaro and Toei being bad at their work)When Toei actually works hard like for the Broly movie it's quite solid and enjoyable. Execution matters a lot for Dragon Ball, and mangaka Toriyama was the best execution you could hope for.Also, the arc with the most editor meddling, the androids one, is also the most poorly written one.
>Kami was originally capable of making the dragon balls usable whenever he wanted, but he never used that ability again>Daima reintroduced it as an ability exclusive to Neva, the super namekianToriyama you senile FUCK.
>>291720972Toriyama: You must know Namekian to do this, that's why Piccolo couldn't do it like Kami did.
>>291720972Daima isnt canon nor was written by Toriyama. Literally not a single episode credits him for the script.
>>291720931toriyama needs someone to hold him back on his retardness that's what the editors were for during serialization and he didn't have a choice to listen because he was just a wagiebut now he (was) an icon/legend nobody is there to reign him in or tell him he's going to far in flanderizing his own characters
>>291719453>thinks Kid Buu is the strongestBut enough about the creator of Kid Buu.
>>291721183You're not even reading my posts.
>>291718274That's nice, I hope his doujin fanfic pans out.But the writer of Dragon Ball is dead.
>>291720931Toriyama's art and paneling is amazing but that's not everything to the series. I feel like the editors were the ones who guided his ideas into tanigble plots and gave him feedback if he went too far in a direction. I disagree and think Buu was the worst written arc and you can tell because they spent the second half of Buu figuring out how to defeat him with just fight after fight. Coincidentally also when the editor started letting Toriyama do whatever he wants. Super on the otherhand still has the Toriyami flair (though senile) but instead of Toriyama working with an editor to complete ideas he just gives ideas and makes Toei's departments work around it.The entire process is different. Toriyama can't even make a Bardock backstory as comprehensive as Toei.
Well /a/, do you think our hero will win?http://youtube.com/post/UgkxkkiA4QyD9CfHImMjx2CNpK-BGG_B_PW7
>>291719590Super fuck up Beerus he was better in the battle of gods movie. originally goku was post to have a rematch with Beerus at the end of super but they made it impossible for Goku to fight Beerus.
>>291721244Dragon Ball was a group project, the only person that died was the senile retard who forgot who Goten and Tao Pai Pai were. Luckily they replaced him with a guy that actually knows the characters of the series he's writing for instead of just using them for sharting jokes and bland nostalgia wank.
>>291721196>Freeza>CutestDaddy's little princess wins again.
Just saw the ep, the damage to snake way is a new thing right?
>>291717435Goku will moisturize them but only with semen
>>291721358real niggas don't kiss bitches, goku a og
>>291718274But I want more Goten and Trunks School shenanigansand Pan school shenanigansand Chichi home life
>>291721311That's wonderful to hear, but the writer of Dragon Ball is dead.
>>291721388Salagir is well and alive though, knock on wood.
>>291719145Oh my
>>291721261>the editors were the ones who guided his ideas into tanigble plotsWhat does that *actually* mean? Because most of these plots were quite simplistic (and it's not a bad thing) and I very much doubt the interesting strong parts of these arcs came from editors. I doubt editors told Toriyama "hey, make Namek a three-way fight for the Dragon Balls where the heroes are the B team led by Krillin and they have to hide", even though that was the best part of it.My point here is that this goes beyond "art and paneling" when you think a little about it, when Toriyama draws the entire chapters he draws these characters, their reactions, their lines, their faces, he gets a very good glimpse of how they should act, what their personality is, he imbues them with charm. Dragon Ball can't be dissociated from Toriyama idiosyncrasies, this is the core of the work, no feedback can provide you with that artistic sense. And similarly, once you remove Toriyama the mangaka from the equation, then you're left with barebones story concepts disconnected from the artist.Maybe the editors would've prevented a few of Nu Toriyama's bad choices, especially the Granola shit, but even with a "well written story" (these were always mostly simplistic stories, 80% of the time) you wouldn't make Super good, because Super looks like shit and this goes beyond animation quality, if you draw Goku like shit his expressions change, therefore his personality changes.
>>291721388Ok, you can leave the thread at any point. Unless you want to discuss Kid Buu's power level for the 5000000000th time, which is all pre-Super DB has to offer nowadays.
>>291721311Here's your reply, attention seeking Bitch. You weren't bullied at school enough.
>>291719836It can't be canon because the story he comes from includes the non canon SSJ4
>>291721431You can't convince me I should respect someone who wrote Daima. Or BEAST Gohan's nonsense tranformation. Or turning Bardock and Broly into generic dindu noffings. Moro/Granolah were 10 times better written than all of the worthless shit he wrote since he came back to the series, it's a fact.
>>291720129Those were marauders, attacking a small shop owner, they just want to steal and wreck chaos while people are protesting.
>>291717296>Cut the lore that never ever gets brought up again
>>291721535>Cutting the lore is good because... Uhhh.. It's good actually
>>291721529gocuck is a robinhood steal from the rich archetypebased bejita is a private property protector
>>291721545The lore wasn't in the manga, it was never canon to Super.
>>291721422It means that for instance in the Android/Cell Arc Toriyama designed a fat fuck and old guy to be the villains and the editors said that's stupid and change it. So he did. And then we got 17 + 18 and later Cell. This for example is the editor coming in to change the story for the better. They still used Toriyama's art.You're praising Toriyama's art which no one is denying. Dragon Quest didn't need him to write their plots for the games, just draw the art. Toriyama is a great artist but not a great storyteller. Thht's what it was pertinent he had editors to guide his art/ideas into completion. Super is the ultimate culmination of this. Just whatever ideas pop in his head he gives to Toei/Toyotaro. He doesn't even care to do the art, Toyotaro designed like half the Gods of Destruction.
>>291720710it's like those filler dbz movies
>>291720080What tacofiction were you reading?
>>291721311>>291721430They literally don't want to write anything new without Toriyama. Why do you think the manga is still on "Hiatus"? They could have had like 2-3 new arcs by now if they kept writing after Toriyama passed away.
I watch Daima because I miss kid Goku.
>>291721512Sure thing, sissy.
>>291721637Sasuke Toriyama is working in the shadows to take control of the IP, like Seto Kaiba in Yu-Gi-Oh! when they took over his father's company.
This remake is them soft launcing AI voiceover. They're not using AI this time it's just reusing voiceover. But it's getting people used to no new recording. It's not a coincidence that Nozawa is in the news throwing a hissy fit over AI.
>>291721665Where's he now?
>>291721535I never liked Yamoshi. Lame name, underwhelming addition. The concept that was forgotten right after being introduced.
The saviors of humanity
>>291721665Is that Jackie Chan's son?
>>291721637Toyo is supervising the Moro anime. They are probably waiting to see how people are going to respond to it. I expect the manga to return with a design they found in Toriyama's bathroom trash so they can claim it's still Toriyama made.>>291721648
>>291721681...and Puar.
>>291721669What did she say about AI, scholar? Thanks in advance.
>>291721437>SS4 isn't canonsource?And no, Super, Toei or Toriyama ren't sources.
>>291721703His Threads account. He has also been teasing the manga's return for a long time.
>>291721729>for a long timeOver 2 years at this point, we're still waiting.
>>291721700https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/news/20261016de60382/
>>291720710All the mostly peaceful goons are juan piss fans btw
A legendary fighter.
>>291721681...And Tien the friendless loser.
>>291721681And Yamcha and Puar!
>>291721765>can't provide proofConcession accepted.
>>291721752Thanks.
>>291721404Wonder if he has a successor chosen, to finish DBM for him, when he dies in 30-40 years.
>It's da fucking Belgian's fault that I lose every debate in The Halls
>>291717296That's just how nu-shonen works now. No soul, no fun, no jokes. Just fightslop with hollywood music.
>>291721754Yup.
>>291721937Great song!!
>>291721701Retard.>>291720972Daima was 85% Toei. Toriyama wrote the Demon Realm lore and proposed some scene ideas.>>291721196Toriyama also wrote the manga where Kid Buu wasn't the strongest. So the manga has not only Toriyama backing it, but also the on-screen evidence. Freeza's first form was the smallest one. Toriyama is well known for making shit up in interviews, saying total bullshit, not remembering anything correctly and being a schizoid. Hell, he once misremembered Yamcha as Goku's Brother and forgot who Piccolo was.
>>291721937KekBasedCanon
>>291721196Yup. Kid Buu was ALWAYS the strongest.
>>291721998>>291722019True.
>>291719953>Power that rivals SS4 (a form that surpasses any divine form due to Daima taking place after Super)>IndestrubitibcleRetard. Moron. Idiot. Imbecile. Buffoon. Stooge. Nincompoop. Simpleton. Fool. Numpty. Dunce. Dolt. Mentally Deficient. Void Brained. Numskull. Blockhead. Ignoramus. Muppet.
>>291722019>>291722047Samefag, wrong and baiting.
Bejita is weaker than Goku, but I still like Bejita more. Makes you think.
>>291722110You enjoy jobbing cuckold manlets, we know.
>>291722110You're a beta male we get it.
>>291721196I mean, what did you expect, Toriyama to suddenly correct the interviewer? He never outright says that Kid Buu is stronger than his previous forms there either. His reply just goes on about subverting expectations about enemies getting bigger and stronger.
>>291722186My girlfriend fucks this.
>>291717948Waiting for Salagirs opus to end so that Toyo can steal more ideas
Where's Toriyama now?
>>291722186Gotens 6th GF btw
I watched the new episode and I'm glad the Goku vs Beerus fight is way better animated, but we're still being TRICKED into watching Super a third time :/
I hope they will continue to cover the rest with a mango-faithful anime after that because MUI in the anime was fucking stupid
>>291722186Kale? I'd rail, without fail, until she wails, until she turns pale.
>>291722273HFIL
>>291722244Your girl is homosexual? Congratulations
>>291722378My girlfriend is Caulifla!
>>291722335Yeah the manga also had ultra instinct Roshi though
>>291722335The SHITnga is irrelevant and will not show up in DBS Beerus.
>>291722452>O, MY GENKI DAMA
>>291722422If it makes sense for anyone from the earth gang to be able to tap into UI it's Roshi thoughbeit
>>291722419Goten...
>>291722488*Spirit Bomb
>>291721336Yes, Goku's SS3 aura was able to reach the entire Snake Way.
>>291718629why u seethin tho?? you some kind of BALD fuck?
>>291717296>Most scenes unironcally have NO music at ALLvery based of them, feels like I am watching a proper art FILM
>>291721656>>291721695Given they literally had to wait for nearly 20 years for Toriyama to sign off on dragon ball coming back, I wouldn't be sure about that. Toriyama would spend years contributing to other projects instead of dragon ball. Shueisha and Toei always deferred to him. They probably don't want to do anything with dragon ball without his name on it.
Uub.
>>291722815...is poo.
>>291722786>a hippo dragonWhat an odd design.
Krillin was a huge cuck and his wife had to search for satisfaction from someone else when he wasn't around
The most powerful characters ranked, this includes GT and Daima>1. Jiren>2. Omega Shenron>2. Black Frieza.>3. Gomah>4. Gas>5. Granoller.>5. UI Goku>6. UE Vegeta>5. Gohan Beast.>7. Orange Piccolo
>>291722964True
>>291721937KEKKKKKYROOOOOOOOOOO
>>291721937FUARKKKKKKKK
>>291721937Now how about you post the canon 5-0 score?
>>291723295I thought that was Trunks
>>291723352Trunks is too busy topping Gohan.
>>291721937Yup YUP.
>>291721937He sang this during his bingo dance.
>>291720710El Hermano de El Especialista...
>>291721937No… my hero…..
>>291721289>at the end of superBut Super hasn't ended.
>>291721937Did Toriyama write this song? Why did they add it in the remake?
Goku never kissed Chichi.This plot point will be kept in the remake.
>>291717435I like to imagine myself satisfying Chichi whenever Goku is off training, and he thanks me for it.
I get REALLY UPSET whenever anybody laughs at mi heroe SHITjita.
>YOU WILL WASH THE DISHES AND DO THE CHORES AND STOP WATCHING TV AND PLEASURE ME IN BED WITHIN THE HOUR OR I WILL NOT COOK FOR YOU FOR A WEEK> WHY ARE YOUR UNDERWEAR ON THE FLOOR BITCH, CLEAN UP YOUR FUCKING ROOM> WASH YOUR FUCKING FACE, IT'S DIRTY>DISHES IN THIS GODDAMN SINK>EATING ALL THE GODDAMN SNACKS, NOT CLEANING UP AFTER YOUR GODDAMN SLOB-ASS SELF, YOU PIECE OF UGLY SHIT>WHY HAVEN'T YOU MOWED THE LAWN, YOU SON OF A BITCH? THE NEIGHBOR'S LAWN LOOKS BETTER AND THEY LIVE A THOUSAND MILES AWAY> AND WHY HAVEN'T YOU TAKEN OUT THE GODDAMN TRAAAAAAAASH
>>291723686𝑯𝑶𝑳𝒀 𝑭𝑼𝑪𝑲!!!
>>291720710What happened to good old fat shaming? Is everyone posting on /a/ a fat, greasy neckbeard?
*inhale**heavy sigh*Alright...Post .......................................𝕀𝕋!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>291723793
>>291723816>this proud, THIS PROUD, of winning an unironic inconsequential irrelevant minigameIt's not a trying time for the proud scholars. It's an embarrassing showcase for Bejitabros.
>>291722815majuub only fought in like two episodes, GT was fucking grim for anyone thta wasn't Goku
The 5-0 haunts these halls.
>>291723739That's my Goku!
>>291723850He only fought in two episodes and was brutalized in both so badly and sweepingly that it killed any possible goodwill he even theoretically could have hadAt least Pan could have had Super SaiyanAll Uub did was take out one of the only good proto-nu DB characters from the story GIT the FUCK out of my FUCKING SERIES
>>291723816>Manletjita celebrating the equivalant of NBA players playing pick up basketball for funKek
>>291723739Chi Chi tanked that
>Goku? GOKU! THE NUKES! WHERE DID YOU HIDE THEM?>"......">EVERYONE WILL BE KILLED! THE EARTH WILL BE DESTROYED! DON'T YOU CARE GOKU!?">"The Dragon Balls...can bring them back...">GOKUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!>"I hid them in the one place....no one will ever find them...inside Chi Chi's lips.">But wait...oh no...OH GOD NO! WHERE'S BEJITA!? WHERE IS BEJITA!????>"Waku Waku...">"GOOOOKUUUUUUUUUU—">krillin turned into a shadow burned into the ground
>>291723961My grandpa's favorite cartoon - Jiren and Friends.
>>291723739Dragon ball written by Tablos
>>291720710Now make him wear Goku's outfit and make the guy who kicked him saitama
>>291724143Dragon Scat Daipa
>>291719590Beerus is so hot in this frame...
>>291724177Only flurries have ever bitched about Beerus in that fashion.
Bejita is the strongest
Vegeta the Saiyan will rule the universe!!
Kiss my wife.... RIIIIIIIIIGHT NOOOOOOOOOOW! NEVER LOSE, I WON'T!
>>291724220All of our heroes’ wives…
>>291724426Our heroes...I missed this
>>291724514
Wait so I just watched episode 2 of DBS: Beerus and Beerus sizes up Goku and wonders how he's the one who defeated Freeza, but isn't Goku at this point of the story magnitudes of orders stronger than Freeza in base?
>>291724658>magnitudes of orders*orders of magnitudes
>>291724669
>>291724658There has never been much confirmation about that since we never really see him fighting in base during Z past Freeza. Seems like a great way to explain how he doesnt evaporate every U6/ToP jobber by just looking at them, turns out he really is weak in base form.
>>291724658Because Freeza was supposedly the strongest mortal in the universe and he was defeated by this random nobody
>>291724793
Bulma's mom
>>291724658Toriyama forgot.
>>291724658Beerus haven't seen Freeza in decades. He might not remember how strong exactly he was, just that it was a lot for a mortal at the time.
>>291721654Nice argument you fucking weeb faggot. Fuck Toriyama, fuck Shitren and fuck you.
>>291722488>O MY HAKAIDon't even try it bitch.
>>291724144What's Tablos status for Beerus anime? Did he rike it?
Son Gohan Snaps
>>291724972I accept your concession, sissy.
>>291724972>implying that Dragon Ball is not an anime and that its fans are not weebs to some degreeKEKY
why are they de-waku-ing Goku
>>291725039Why is his neck so big?
>>291725111Because anime nowadays has to be 100% serious
>>291725039>instantly outs himselfI knew it was you, Jobrenbitch. Nobody else talks like such a cock hungry fagola.
>>291725111PSYCHOPATHku hired a pr team with his ILL-GOTTEN wealth to clean up his DISTURBING image.
You can't use Kaioken with UI though.
>>291724514>scrunched feetYUCK!!!!!!!!
>>291725136death battle is fanfiction garbage who fucking cares if who wins people wont even remember this shit in a month
>>291725111JJK and its consequences.
>>291725071Dragon Ball isn't an*me, moeshitting slut.
>>291725111they are making him apathetic like a jujutsu kaisen character
>>291725136GODku can surpass all limitations imposed on him by his two writers, "Dumb & Dumber".
>>291725148This. I haven’t watched Shart Battle since the first Goku vs Superman.
>>291725136Theoretically you could, Goku just never has, probably because he isn't good enough at perfectly controlling his ki in UI. That being said, it's fucking retarded to use a hypothetical form in a death battle like that. Might as well just literally start writing fanfiction.
>>291725187You know this stuff is all made up right bro
>>291725187for what I've heard of DB they get creative like that often, they don't have to win with a canonical move exactly as it was shown in their work of origin. It comes with the territory of theorizing what characters would do if they "didn't screw around" and used their power "logically" or whatever.
>>291725187No you couldn't either. Putting strain on the body in a form that is centered around letting the instincts of said body take control would immediately throw you out of it. It's why Super Saiyan + Ultra Instinct isn't a thing.
>>291725111Buu saga serious 'ku nostalgia appeal
>>291725212Your death battle slop is garbage and you deserve to be killed.
>>291725259Super Saiyan UI isn't a thing because they're two distinct forms. KK is just a forced energy multiplier. Same reason why Goku can use SSBKK but not "Blue 3".
Mixing UI and Kaioken feels like trying to mix oil and water.I think I'd sooner accept Super Saiyan UI because at least Super Saiyan is something Goku has complete mastery over, Kaioken is like running your body through a blender to squeeze all the juices out of it.
>>291725129>AAAAIIIEEEEE LAST REPLY MUST BE MINEReply to this one as well. Sissy.
>>291725259You're acting like Toyotaro is not gonna make Goku do that exact same thing in an arc or two.>"HE'S SO CRACKED AT FIGHTING HE MASTERED ULTRA INSTINCT SUPER SAIYAN BLUE, SASUGASUBARASHI!!!!"
>>291725161It's anime, but free from moeshit, faggot. Don't even try to post your moe retardation in these halls.
>>291725224>>291725239
>>291725360>NOOOO PLEASE AIIIIEEEEE I WANT TO BE A WEEBYou will never be Japanese and Dragon Ball will never be moenime.
>>291725112Roids- I mean, he trained hard and shit. NATTYren is a natural.
>>291725385Shut up Shitrenfag
>>291725383Canon, btw.>>291725385>schizo obsessed over weebsTake your pills, bitch. The fact that you can't stop replying proves that you are a mentally changed retard at best. (You) seem to be the only one here to babble about weebs, moeshit, anime.
>>291725451>canonThat Saiyans are rape-obsessed bunch?
>>291725414>JIRENJIRENJIRENJIRENJIRENJIRENJIREN>>291725451>n-no u!Dragon Ball? Not an*me. You? A moeshitting tourist. You are NOT welcome in mine Hallowed Halls.
>>291725155>>291725173Damn, I cant believe we're forced to be influenced by a lesser anime.
>>291725224By Salagir logic, together their power level should be lower than Freeza first form, even in Oozaru form.
>>291725471Toriyama was too, just look at Lady Red. Glad that problematic old cunt kicked the bucket.
>>291725383Granolah’s mom’s POV
>>291725533KEK
>>291725487>schizo snapped for the second timeHAHAHAHAHAHAH>>291725520Are you a Bleachfag by any chance? Bleachfag used to write the same shit some time ago.
Where's French Goku lookalike??
>>291725489I mean to be fair JJK owns the fucking shit out of DB in terms of characters, writing, power system, consistency, and especially animation and choreography
...if you're a 2 digit IQ zoomer retard faggot fucker.
>>291725516He legitimately thinks Oozaru is a 2x multiplier because of the completely unrelated fight of Bejita vs Cui on Namek.
I can't even remember the JJK protagonist's name LOL
>we actually have people who started watching dragon ball with the super anime hereGrim. Imagine knowing LUFFYku and nothing else.
>>291725487Go watch the Abridged version like other trannies like you tend to do when someone isn't beating their real cock to the original Anime version.
>>291725570That's because you're a forgetful old man, gramps. It's okay, Simple Ball was made for tards like you.
>>291725545It also has lots of yaoiGOLD and beautiful transgirls like Kirara.
>>291725575>toei unironically wanted a new generation of fans first experience with the franchise to be daipathey know nothing
Gents, Bleachfags have entered our sacred halls. Ignore them. Angry jannie might be among them and you will get punished for defending the honor of /dbs/.
>>291725275Are you feeling alright?
>>291725575>grimFucking disgusting, even.
>>291725621Your derivative slop series has no honor, merit, or worth. Dragon Ball has always been shit.
>>291725638Trolls and schizos are entertaining us, scholars, today.
>>291725664You will never get to fuck draco malfoy
>>291725533KEKY
>>291725533>GranolahWho?
>>291725604Kirara is such a semen demon
>>291725712Goku's half-brother.
>>291725604>>291725725I busted a fat nut to Suoiresnu’s animation of her.
>>291725734>Goku's half-brotherRaditz and Bejita?
>>291725686Zarbon
>>291725825Where are Tarble and Turles?
>>291725919Turles is in the bottom left. Tarble is…forgotten.
The leegndary heros
Jiren in the remake is gunna be so fucking cool
>>291726555Oh? He will finally have personality?
I... I lost? But... how...?
>>291726578Only time can tell, I'm hyped for the roshi moment if they're gunna redo those scenes, and make db fans lose their mind over roshi and his potential for ui
>>291726578his personality is being cool and reserved and having aura
Story & Art by Akira Toriyama
>>291725545The characters look gay.
beerus was rly cool in the scenes vs goku too
>>291725725Yum
>>291726669Source?None?Though so.
Imagine that you have to remember all of this cherry picked shit, just to follow someones fanfic...
>>291725111because he is not luffy
None of the transformations since SSJ2 Gohan have really felt earned and just giving to characters for the sake of having a power up to them. No emotional weight towards them just making a hero more powerful for the sake of them being more powerful than the villain.
Well there was only one more in canon.
>>291727194lmao I read about half of this thinking that Toriyama wrote it
>>291727100It says so on the cover.
>>291727255SS2 Gohan wasn't earned because it was only possible through a retcon (rage power-ups, which he shouldn't be able to get after having his hidden power unlocked by the namekian elder)
>>291727220WAKU EXTRACTION
JIREY WINNY!
>>291721376Moeshitter...
>>291727220Based filler destroying.
>>291727194Stopped reading at Daima is canon.
>"What's that? Son Goku has been turned into a young Boy? I know exactly how to take care of him..."
>>291727194>Daima is canonPICKEDUPAROO
goku? winning against saitama? implausible.Abridged goku however...
>>291727220Why is Goku so mad all the time in Dragon Ball Super Super Beerus?
>>291728475that's not goku that's kakarot
>>291725111As a fuck you to Toriyama
>>291728320BASEDShe is the only good thing about Daipa
>>291728320>gets raped by her son
>>291725111Waku Waku Goku has never existed, it's retarded revisionism introduced in DBS and probably influenced by fucking Luffy to appeal this audience. Buu saga Goku was already serious despite having goofy moments. Tardku was nothing but embarassment, he was never dumb like this as a child.
Goku literally did the waku waku meme in yesterday's episode doe
>>291728320
Why did Shin not like his sister?
>>291727220FUAAAAARK BASED NO FILLER NO MOE NO TROONIME
The strongest...
Goku will combine SS4 and SSG.
>>291729441This. Me and all the GT bros are standing behind this. And we will commit mass suicide if it doesn't happen.
>>291729441What about... SS4 WITH SSGSS AND KAIO KEN?
>>291728986He didn’t get to spend enough “alone time” with his sister.
>>291729441Daima and GT will never be canon. SS4 was never good, it had unexplained magic pants. Why would a Saiyan gain the magical power to create pants?
>>291729576To show how strong the form is.
>>291729557Why do you people think incestuous relationships are acceptable behaviour?
If the Super Saiyan Grade 3 thing that Trunks uses outputs more power than Vegetas Super Saiyan Grade 2 thing, but sacrificed speed, why didn't Vegeta use it when he used Final Flash?
>>291729693KEKlin certainly endorses the practice!
>>291729441Super is going into the retarded canon. Everyone has their own forms. At best Goku is going to use Ultra Instinct with SS or Kaioken.
>>291729869Not really funny at all.
What are your favourite Dragon Ball plot holes/contrivances dudes?
>>291729869Three eyed jobber typed this.
>>291729912Potara retcon from Super
>>291729912Forgetting new Namek exists
>>291729912The many times Goku straight up forgets he has a technique
>>291729912Neither King Kai nor anybody in the afterlife is bothering to help out Earth in the Future Trunks timeline.
>>291729869
>>291730004This is the worst one. It’s like they want to torture Trunks.
>>291729912The completely nonsensical consistency of Senzu Beans>Korrin takes a year to grow 3 before the Saiyans>Grows 9 in a month after Goku gets crippled>Grows 8 before the Androids>Grows 3 in the days after the Androids appear (keeps them at his place)>More or less don't exist in the Buu arc, despite 7 years of peace
>>291730004I think it's all the funnier when you realise how powerful Goku became in the afterlife, and there's clearly a rule that he can visit earth on a whim if he had permission. Yemma could have given the okay for Goku to return and fuck up the Androids in a day.
>>291729912Inconsistent rules on who gets a body in Otherworld and gets to train.
>>291729912Supreme Kai refusing to intervene in the Android/Cell saga particularly in Trunks timeline>Goes to Earth because Buu is going to be revived and fuck it up>Pulls a 'no matter me' when Cell arrives and threatens to travel the universe fucking up planets
>>291729912That time in DBS they said there were only around a dozen planets with sentient life, when Frieza was running a galactic empire built on enslaving entire planets.
>>291729912Zenkai Boosts>The goodRecontexualises Goku's progress in the Pre Saiyan arcs>The badCertain battles don't seem to result in consistent Zenkai boosts. Goku going from a 90k power level to a 15x multiplier after recovering on Namek. Or when Vegeta gets his ass beat by 18 but only receives a small boost. Or hell that time he was beaten to the point of unconsciousness by Cell and didn't seem to receive a boost. There's tonnes of these.
>>291721261>I feel like the editors were the ones who guided his ideas into tanigble plotsNo. Their constant rejection of character designs (Androids and Cell) forced Toriyama to scramble as he was drawing the story. "They guided his ideas" no the fuck they didn't lmao they made his job more hectic.
>>291725111Because the writers are shit.
>>291729912I ironically like Frieza becoming SSG tier from less than a year of training, it's so stupid and uninspired I love it. Fuck it we are out of ideas, lets bring back Frieza and give him a 1,000,000,000,000x boost.
>>291729912Dunno if it's a plot hole or just a change in the plan from what Toriyama was setting up>3 entire sagas building up Gohans rage as a character trait>Finally culminates when he's able to utilise the rage while in SS form>Is a consistent boost in his power from his first appearence>Was literally never referred to as SS2, just Gohan "letting go" of his emotions and fighting with ungodly power >Perfect character arcBut then>Editor San says I need to give Goku this form too
>>291730422the only downside to this is that they wouldn't be able to make the form look different for vegeta
>>291730495I dunno man I remember reading it and thinking Goku going SS2 not making any sense
Do fans still care about the humans?
>>291730422Always felt it would make more sense if Gohan (and no one else really) could only unlock that power if the situation was dire and Gohan was emotionally invested.Like in the Buu arc if instead of Gohan being handed that mystic shit, the showdown with Super Buu was built more around Gohan unlocking that rage against Buu.
>>291729912every time somebody fights on equal footing with someone who should logically be ridiculously stronger than them. it really reminds me how much thought and care the people behind DB put into it
>>291730559Yes. I follow some artists that obsess over Yamcha and Krillin.
What went so right?
>>291730601They removed all of Toriyama's soulful filler.
>>291717296People will be cheerleaders for anything, huh?
>>291730716>HOMOgiThe prince loves Bulma.
>>291730976Kale? I'd rail.
>>291729576>magic pants bad>magic thicc eyebrows good
>>291730601>Remove filler>Make animation go from 2/10 to 6.5/10
>>291730976If they do the retelling up to the ToP, wonder if they will tweak Kale and Caulifla characters and make them resemble more their manga counterparts.
>>291731284Also making Goku and Beerus more serious than OG Super, this weekend we will see if they also do some changes regarding Vegetas character(in the OG he looked like a bitch before Beerus slapped Bulma)
>>291731353Vegeta IS a bitch.
Can't wait to see Kneelgeta dance like a bitch
>>291731245exactly. magic pants are for faggots
>>291730065Super just worsened it by King Kai helping Trunks against Dabora and Babidi. Oh, so now that his ass is on the line, he bothers to help out.
>>291731458Same.
>>291717148
A Legendary Fighter.
Soon.
>>291730601>removed filler>made Goku less of a bumbling retardNow we'll see if they cut the Vegeta humiliation ritual next episode.
>>291732063I hope they cut this because it was unfunny as shit.
Dragon Ball Super: BOREDrus
>>291732063This too
>>291732140boring until Black
>>291732063They'll cut it.Vegeta will never be humilliated again.
>>291732063I can't wait to see Kneeljita in HD.
the movie is still best and legendary
>>291732128King Vegeta humillated by Beerus should stay desu
SUPA BEJITA!!!
>>291731534wow, of course the retard with the nigger tier opinion gets things wrong saying it was King Kai that helped out.fuck, kys
>>291722815Better than Shitrot
Daima actually takes place after the Beerus fight
>>291732111They won't.
>>291717296Described the PEAKmake perfectly.
Daima takes place right after I take a big dump
>>291717126Whose Son is he? Is there a Dad Goku?
>>291717475This guy.
I care more about Pansy than SS4
Daipa is shit.
>>291729912Everyone thinking Gohan was dead when they literally just wished to revive people killed from the day of the tournament onwards. Unless Gohan was secretely a bad guy.
Goku is the strongest in the universe!
>>291733018Fact.
>>291732380A flashback to Kid Vegeta was in the preview, so, yeah, that's in. It kind of looked like he was attacking though? But it was probably just part of the image distortion.
>>291732666Iyoku...
>>291725111Because that's the real Goku, old DBSku was merely a result of Toei wanting the anime to appeal to toddlers.
>>291733146
>>291717126franchises is deadit was built on raunchy Toriyama humor; that is completely forbidden in sanitized eraDaima was like brainrot
>>291731434what a total lie and slander
>>291719836jobs to a book btw
>>291733590no he ain't don't not lmao
Repeat after me:“PRINCE!”
Submissive cuck
>>291733633Trunks.
>>291733633Prince Goku.He married the daughter of a King so that makes him a Prince.
>>291717126I hear he beats on bald people.Holy based
>>291717296>Yamoshi loreyou meant Broly right?
>>291717296>My hecking comedic pedo prequel appeal!!Good riddance If you liked it so much you should have protest Toei to keep it somewhere instead of crying about Super episode 5
>>291719836Weaker than Saitama though
>is the most masculine hero in the entire franchiseSAY HIS FUCKING NAME.
>>291721681Puar boypussy
>>291717296I hope the Zalama lore gets cut next
>>291733880Yajirobe
Goku and Grimmjob lost in another episode again...
>>291725136I think Oozaru Ultimate Instinct would have been a better fanfic form to win.
>>291732063It'll get cut
imma be real wit you cuh ain't nobody care bout goku
>>291733880Gyumao.
>>291728986Horny aura genes passed on to another fruit brother
>>291727194>ThalesWhy a fire emblem character in this fanfic?
>>291725545Holy SNCA
>>291733973Grimmchad just killed Yhwach though
>>291725136>brought back Kaioken because Blue is calmer>but suddenly Kaioken with UI is impossible
>I'm a 10, you're a 6, he's a 15There was no need for this, why wouldn't Toriyama resist doing this shit?
>>291722786That hippo's mouth is drawn like someone's ass
Are you accepting?
How did Tien get so strongaroo
>>291734206bro their lungs can tank 500x the amount of weed as a normal humanthat shits gonna kill you
TennyrooChaozypoo
>>291734206Smoking on that sensu pack.
>>291734206Weed smells like ass
>>291725111I've noticed Toei really likes flanderizing the characters. Krillin for example is a huge fucking pussy throughout the Super anime. I'm curious if the RoF remake will change Krillin's behavior.
>Franchise immediately improves once he's not involved anymoreS
>>291734246People talk a lot of shit about Tien but he actually is really strong. Not quite as strong as Goku, but maybe 90-95%. Certainly Vegeta tier or Pan tier
How long until Shueisha makes the humans like Tien stronger?
>>291734552no one wants to see the humans
>>291734246Chiaotzu may be weaker than Tien, but at least he can still one-shot SHITren.
>>291734322It's easier to write tons of episodes that way. With Beerus cutting out the fluff maybe Krillin will be less of a pussy.
>>291717296sounds based to me
Golden yellow looks better, yeah
>>291734961¿Qué tal si te callas, pendejo?
>>291734961Funny
>>291734639Shan't agree.
>>291734923How long until some portuguese/spanish twat makes a le 90s Z edit of this?
>>291735012I'm not gonna lie, this video gave me a raging erection.
>>291735012>no effect
>>291735342It's a fucking green card, no shit
>>291725111Akio is a fanservice merchant, specifically western fanservice hence DBS Beerus and its AMV slop opening/ending and flashy nu anime effects and shit. Western fans go into psychosis whenever they see goofy Goku so Akio cut his gags in half and made him more composed
>>291733633the jobber pose
Even if I like the new Dragon Ball anime, I will still talk shit about it online and talk about how much better the last one was
Manifesting Super Saiyan Blue getting retconned. The worst form in existence and a symbol for everything wrong with DBS
>>291735565Gogeta Blue though
>the only thing Blue didn't job in is Super Dragon Ball Heroes
>>291735622and you can thank Gogeta for that stellar performance against Hearts
>>291717126he needs his daily dose
>>291733880
faggot franchise, faggot threads.
>>291735938you'd better watch your tone when you talk about the chads of /a/
>>291734552they did get to fight some of moro's jobbers
>>291729924>Three eyed jobberEvil Third Eye Gomah?
