Volume 70Naruto and the Sage of Six PathsChapter 672: Night Guy!!https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504Previous thread:>>291872938
So did Kakashi graduating from the academy at 5 and becoming a Chunin at 6 get retconned?
>>291896392FUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOU
>>291896324B-but...i thought this was just sweat and not an actual aura of chakra?
>>291896369That was it? This is the kind of injury that Part 1 Naruto casually tanked from Sasuke.
>>291896415This is such dogshit
B&W
How many of you were on the sticky thread for Tetsuya Chiba?
>This whole set up and hype only for Gai to break a couple of Madara's ribs and need to be savedFucking hell
>>291896426>the "if you use this you die with no exceptions" technique has been canonically used 2 times>1/2 times the user of the "you die" move livedWhy? Why did Kishi deem it absolutely necessary that Guy live? How much of a coward is he that he can't kill off anyone of even minor importance? I get the whole "Naruto won't let his friends die" shit means he's going to do everything to minimize death, but the fact absolutely no one outside of Neji is threatened with death is just absurd.
Done!
>>291896671Thanks, comfy canon OP!
>>291896658>>291896671>>291896426>>291896439Arigatou, OP!
>>291896297Was this flashback really necessary
That was totally worth ending up in a wheelchair for life
>>291896733You could have gotten rid of the first flashback and just had this and it would've been much better. Making up Guy's dad and even partly fleshing out his character, who just boiled down to "Guy but worse", while Guy is just "Lee but better", was completely unnecessary. Fucks sake, Guy's dad got more of a background than Kakashi's dad.
>>291896748>Guy got crippled for life just so Kishi could check the box off of "Someone use 8 gates" before the manga endsBecause of Madara's bullshit healing, what Guy did effectively didn't even matter.
>>291896214A whole hour late?? God damn. Can we get a good OP?
>>291896392There's not even any tension. We just instantly see Madara being fine.
>>291896240Not even thanking the people who actually saved their lives, what a pair of assholes
>>291896363tanked
>>291896392>>291896404>>291896415...That was it? People keep hyping this as one of the best fights in the series, but this honestly felt so underwhelming. Guy just kicks Madara around a couple of times, then he does a big kick that tears off Madara's arm, and that's pretty much it. I honestly didn't even remember it being this lame.
Next chapter, Naruto is gonna cut Madara in half while still not recovering from Gai's injuries and he's gonna survive.
>>291896363>Oh I get it! "Night Guy", like Might Guy but you change one character>the technique is called "Yagai" in JapaneseBiggest ball Kishimoto ever dropped
>>291896392
>>291896285Kid Kakashi was quite the asshole
>>291896240Kabuto's giant snake dick
>>291896297If I see a kid with busted knuckles and busted toes I'd call the police
>>291896955I think it translate to night wasp or something. All of his attacks are names after times of day, and the more gates he opend the later it gets.
>>291896639>1/2 times the user of the "you die" move livedThere's been at least five, and Chiyo, Deidara and Pain all died from theirs. Obito and now Guy cheated their death.
>>291896297When I'm in a writing unnatrual dialogue competition and my opponent is Kishi.
>>291896415fvckin traced
>>291896214>>291891489>>291891489
>>291896426Chills
>>291896810Probably daylight saving time.
>>291897105I meant the 8 gates specifically as the "if you use this you die", not every other technique this applies to. On a side note>ChiyoBullshit character invented to die and simulate "stakes" because Kishi couldn't kill off Gaara.>DeidaraBlew himself up to ensure Sasuke doesn't directly kill anyone, Kishi did the same shit with Danzo.>PainDon't even get me started on how ridiculously bullshit Pain's death and subsequent resurrection of everyone was. The absolute nadir of the entire manga.
>>291896911And half of this fight is even off-panelled in favour of a flashback
>>291896240I just noticed that Naruto and Sasuke were saved by Obito and Kabuto respectively, the two guys who started this war before switching sides at the very end.
>>291896748Remember, they have healing jutsu that can literally replace all your vital organs in real time while you're being pierced through them, and stitch you back together after being cut fully in half, but a bone fracture is beyond saving.Even with normal real-life surgery he should be rehabbed and back to walking within a year.
>>291897100Should've at least had the furigana for the kanji be ナイト
>>291897266The fact that Kabuto and Orochimaru are not only redeemed, but absolutely pardoned globablly for everything they did is such bullshit. The "end the cycle of hatred" theme is so poorly handled it's insane. Kabuto's zombies killed God only knows how many shinobi. Fucks sake, he was the one who resurrected Madara.
>>291896426Its kind of poetic that Naruto remembered Guy jumping in to save Lee from Gaara, Naruto is pretty chill with forcing Guy to live as a cripple for the rest of his days, but Guy also weighed that it was ok if the same happened to Lee
You guys really are just fags who will complain about anything. These are some of the most forced complaints I've seen yet.
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>>291896911>People keep hyping this as one of the best fights in the seriesI don't think anyone says it's a great fight. It's just neat to see how ridiculously powerful 8 gates Guy was. This however means Guy was the strongest shinobi on the entire planet by far before the war kicked off. He could have solo'd the entire Akatsuki if he wanted, but never did because reasons. Blame Kishi for making Guy so canonically strong for no reason.
>>291897371Kishimoto won't fuck you.
>>291896324Wait the "I, Madara Uchiha, declare you the strongest!" was anime original? I guess I just forgot how the manga played out but that was always the hypest moment I felt. Having the god villain who has been beating everyone down for like a hundred chapters use his name to acknowledge Guy, who was basically a nobody, was one of the most memorable moments from this fight.
>>291897397>don't think anyone says it's a great fight.A lot of people said it's the last good moment of the manga. I think it is satisfying to see Gai had this much potential all along, but the fight really is whatever.>He could have solo'd the entire Akatsuki if he wanted, but never did because reasons.Why would Gai suicide bomb some single akatsuki agent when that wasn't necessary? They never knew where the akatsuki gathered, and sacrificing your strongest asset to take out, what, Hidan would have been silly. Gai was never in the situation where pulling gate 8 would have solved the problem for him.
>>291897326That's just life in this shinobi world of ours..
>>291896363>>291896369The GOD of taijutsu
>>291897552The anime phrased it differently, but the line is in the manga. I agree the anime version is better.
>>291897574>Gai was never in the situation where pulling gate 8 would have solved the problem for him.>pain nuking the entire village, killing everyone>oh haha Guy is out on a mission, damn poor timing haha that sure does suck hahaKishi is just a hack for saying Guy had this world-ending strength in his back pocket for the entire manga but NEVER ONCE found an opportunity to use it. Then it's used and effectively does nothing since all it resulted in was Madara almost dying and immediately healing it away. Guy was there for Konoha Crush and could have wiped everyone everywhere with 7 gates.
>>291897636Don't forget the casual revelation that Lee can now open six gates with seemingly little blowback and all he ever does with it is throw a kunai.
>>291896363KWAB
>>291897636Guy did actually come back during the pain fight but inside agent Tsunade told him not to get in Naruto's way.
>>291897636To be fair, that was three years ago. Maybe he only got to gate 8 in that timeframe. But yeah, good point, I didn't really think of pre-TS.
>>291896359yes
>>291897636Hey Guy and team got rid of most of Madara's truth seeker orbs I guess. Though those end up not really mattering as much as the story goes on.
Did Guy vs Madara even accomplish anything besides stalling for Naruto and Sasuke to get back?
>>291897371I know you got chills reading this chapter. Don't lie.
>>291897917No, it was mostly an explantion why Madara didn't kill everyone while they were out.
>>291897917Naa but I think that was kind of the point of it, its just Naruto and Sasukes free powerup is such horseshit that it all feels kind of pointless
>>291897917Nope, Kishi never had anyone use all 8 gates before so he had to tick that box. But he couldn't do it and have it accomplish anything because that would mean a character not named Naruto or Sasuke does something of importance.
>>291897917>>291898096Would you prefer if Guy used 8th gates to take down 10 tails Obito? No bullshit he fights him and wins. Still lives tho.
>>291896285Kid Kakashi feels like a South Park character.
>>291898164I'd rather Kishi had found a time and place before the 11th hour for Guy to use it and die, taking out someone of consequence with him. Now he uses it, doesn't die, and doesn't accomplish anything at all. You can completely remove him using the 8th gate and it affects absolutely nothing. All it accomplishes is letting us know Guy was an absolute fucking nuke the entire manga and it was never used because reasons. Fuck the Biju, Guy is stronger than practically all of them combined.
>>291896261Kishi should be executed for these fucking flashbacks
>>291896363Jiraiya tanked that
>>291898232I think it is a cool moment for what it is. Gai being this strong doesn't really change much about the story, and Madara's acknowledgement of him is pretty neat considering he is ultimately just some random side character.The biju being weaker than many humans is really stupid, but that seal was broken long before this fight.
Pity fight for Guy
>>291896392>in hindsight, maybe I shouldn't have given up my perfect zombie-invincibility
>>291898232>use it and die, taking out someone of consequence with himNo such character exists.
>>291898372>Gai being this strong doesn't really change much about the story, Yeah, that's part of the problem.>and Madara's acknowledgement of him is pretty neat considering he is ultimately just some random side character.That doesn't mean anything, Madara and the story will completely forget about him afterwards. Stop defending this subpar writing. Goddamn you have so much shit taste.
>>291898248Legit almost half this are must be flashbacks.
>>291898372You know the reason shounen tend to turn into low quality slop with nothing but "hype" moments is because they can appeal to the lowest common denominators who are retarded and have no standards like you, right? You're the reason storytelling is so shit.
>>291896426Does Naruto finaly feel special now?
>>291898449>That doesn't mean anything, Madara and the story will completely forget about him afterwards.Sure, but I will completely forget about this story so it doesn't matter to me. It's a cool moment that entertained me for a bit, that's all a weekly shonen manga is supposed to do. If you are overly attached to this dogshit manga that's your problem.
>>291898372>Gai being this strong doesn't really change much about the storyYeah, that's an immense problem. It means Konoha had this weapon in their back pocket throughout the entire manga and it was never once used. That's called bad writing.
But what the fuck did Sasuke say to Hagoromo though??????????????????????????
>>291898529Weekly shounen are a shitty medium for story telling. It's a miracle that there are good ones at all. If I want a good story, I'm not reading manga, especially weekly shounen manga.
>>291896324Madara still having the absolute time of his life. What a psycho.I bet he and Rin would get along well.
>>291896748>>291897268>>291896795Why didn't post-war konoha hook Guy up with a magic prosthetic like they did for Naruto and others???
>>291898616What should they have had him done? "Yo Gai, kill yourself so we can weaken that other village and turn them into our mortal enemies."? The present in Naruto is mostly a time of peace and attempted diplomacy.
Fight was better in the game
>>291898677Because he doesn't want to, I think.
>>291896363>I am no longer having fun
>>291896426>Kill off Neji, a character who accomplished nothing throughout all of part 2 and most people who kept up with the story have stopped giving a shit about him, because you need at least one "important" death>All the jinchuriki die after getting their biju extracted of them, but Bee survives>Unlocking the 8th gate is a guarantee that you're going to die, but Guy survivesI genuinely can't wrap my head around the logic of this writing. It genuinely feels like something made by an alien.Guy and Bee would've made so much more sense to kill off if you absolutely needed an important character to die, since they actually contributed to certain parts of Shippuden, and their deaths would've felt more impactful. Hell, even killing Sai by having him protect Naruto would have made more sense. But instead, you kill off some guy that was a literal who ever since the timeskip? Why?
>>291896426>now you can live as a skinless piece of meat
If I was Kishimoto I would have Lee surpass Gai in the main story.
>>291898847How so? By handing out power ups? That would have completely contradicted his character, but Kishi's writing does not allow for a slower power progression. Keep in mind that for how long this manga is, the pacing is surprisingly quick. How would Lee have surpassed Gai in your alternate version?That's a genuine question, I really would like to know.
>>291898600>If you are overly attached to this dogshit manga that's your problemYou're trying to act like one of those "omg why do you even care so much about this story it's just a manga lol xD" normalfags, but these people would also think you're a pathetic loser for simply browsing this place, kek.
>>291898974Don't really care. I don't get why reading Naruto of all things is such a personal matter to you.
>>291896392there is literally no reason for Guy to not have killed Madara right here. Kishi is gonna pull the bullshit Zetsu doublecross in a couple of chapters anyway, might as well had him and Guy go down in a blaze of glory and then have Zetsu step in because he's lost his Kingpiece.Madara surviving only makes Guy look like a chump and necessitate Naruto reviving him, thus resetting the plot to where it was before Naruto and Sasuke "died"
>>291896240It's funny how these pages are meant to look cool but then you remember they're 5'6
>>291896415>dabs on GuyNaruto...
>>291896285Why was he already wearing the mask? Actually why does he wear the mask?
>>291896324>>291896363...taijutsu?
>>291899202because nobody cared who he was before then
>>291896671Thanks, OP!
>>291899365>>291899365>>291899365>>291899365
>>291899365Well, back then he was only a small guy.
>>291898927Gai was never able to achieve 8th gate. In all his hard training 7th gate was his max, which is still insanely strong. He never trained Lee to unlock 8th gate due to his guilt and protective love. He blamed himself for what happened at Chunin Exams. However Lee trained in secret from Guy. His pure dedication to taijutsu from very young age bore fruit and he managed to unlock 8th gate. Lee uses it in the war arc probably also against Madara. If we don't want Lee to die from it we can have a less gay way of saving him. He closes the gate before it kills him. It would still take a great toll on his body, but it wouldn't be completely irreparable, surpassing previous 8th gates users who all died using it with no exception.
>>291896317>>291896297>>291896733Actually I really like Kakashi just flat out saying "yeah I fucking suck compared to Guy". It's kind of interesting that Kishimoto would actually state that instead of chickening out with making the two rivals equal like he always do
>>291899500>Kakashi just flat out saying "yeah I fucking suck compared to Guy"He didn't even say that.
>>291896317>>291896324I really like the art here even despite the colors ruining it>>291897552Very cool line>>291896297The anime made kid Kakashi ask for Guy's name which I think is superfluous and detracts from the idea that Guy was a true nobody that surprised everyone>>291899551Not like that, but he clearly and unambiguously conceded Guy surpassed him
>>291899482Sounds cool enough. Would still be a bit silly with how quickly Lee achieved something that Gai didn't achive in decades of training, but it fits the theme of the new generations surpassing the old ones. You are officially a better writer than Kishi.>>291899551He basically said it.
>>291899500>>291899551Kakashi became Suprassedshi the moment Guy was introduced back in part 1.
>>291898927NTA but just make it a story about the student surpassing the master. Say that Lee worked harder than Guy, or better yet say that Guy spent less time on his personal training in order to help Lee get stronger. That would do a pretty good job at explaining why Lee got stronger than Guy despite their age difference.
>>291898764Kishimoto said Neji was Naruto and Hinata's "Cupid", meaning he was killed off to push NaruHina
>>291899628You could argue whether or not Guy meaningfully surpassed Kakashi with dumb powerscaling discussions or "feats" or something and you might be right but that's besides the point, having Kakashi flat out state to the reader that he acknowledges Guy stands above him means something else
>>291897552>>291899572It really isn't as good of a line as you make it out be.
>>291899572>Not like that, but he clearly and unambiguously conceded Guy surpassed him>>291899599>He basically said it.No, he didn't. Kakashi is recalling how his dad said Guy will be a great rival for him, aka someone he competes with, and he agrees with that statement. That's the opposite of "flat out" saying he absolutely sucks compared to Guy. Do you lack reading comprehension?
>>291896381The game did it better with the dragon thing rising up on the tree, very cool cinematography from CC2
>>291899599We don't have to shy away from the fact that Lee is a genius in Taijutsu. Unlike Gai all Lee has is Taijutsu. Would also parallel Gai's dad who was otherwise a "loser" (eternal genin lol). Gai seeing his father in Lee would be poetic. His fear of losing Lee mirroring how his dad died from this technique. There is also a version of this where Gai uses 8th gate earlier in the story, dying in the process, but then Lee also uses it but doesn't die for reasons stated previously. But for me seeing Gai witness Lee is far more moving.
>>291898353in base?! what a GOD>>291898650>your brother, Itachi, was the reincarnation of my brother, greatest ninja that has ever lived
>>291899746White fang said Guy would surpass him before he noticed, and Kakashi says "yeah dad it turned out exactly how you said" while Guy is turning into the strongest man alive for a few minutes, this doesn't mean "wow he's a fine rival" it means "holy shit I'm left in the dust"
>>291896911Yeah, if you haven't noticed yet Kishimoto is a shit tier mangaka when it comes to choreography, build up and pacing. So he can draw very good panels or pages (I don't think anyone would argue this part looked bad) but he drops the ball whenever he has to use his fucking head.
>>291896415How many time does Naruto pull the dab kick?
Why no limbo for the entire Guy fight?
>>291896556>>291896567>>291896580Kishimoto can do it when he tries huh
I'd be more interested in seeing Guy's relationship with his father than the whole Naruto Sasuke gay shit personally, am I alone on this?
>>291899202It really feels like Kishimoto intended it to be a way of hiding his shame for what his father did but no, I guess Kakashi just wore a mask since he was a kid.
>>291899881Do what? An underwhelming as fuck payoff for a technique introduced 600 chapters ago, in a fight that's constantly interrupted by flashbacks and exposition from Hagoromo?
>>291897636>Guy was there for Konoha Crush and could have wiped everyone everywhere with 7 gates.Nobody involved in that except Orochimaru, the Sound 4 and the Sand team mattered.The Sand team, minus Baki fucked off, and the Sound 4 was there specifically to let Orochimaru 1v1 Hiruzen.Everyone else was wiped out with little to no issue.
>>291899928Consider that Kishimoto doesn't keep a consistent updated "state of things". Whenever a new element shows up, it'll affect everything in the world as if everyone knew it all along and everything will bend to accommodate it. It's really that silly. So, Kakashi has a mask? Well, so does young Kakashi. We talked a lot about bijuus in the late parts of Shippuden? Well, these flashbacks that take place decades ago will incorporate all of these elements and bijuus and we'll also have perfect Jinchuriki throwing bijuu dama because these were a thing in the later arcs so they will 100% appear earlier even if it doesn't necessarily make sense.>>291899934Draw great pages.
>>291896404When you think about it, was Madara even trying in this fight? He didn't even have his Susanoo on. You could say Guy would just ram through it, but it might at least help cushion his attacks somewhat.
>>291899881ikemoto made ZERO panels like those btwfor a decade
>>291899980They really aren't that great.
>>291900013While Ikemoto's artistic skill is technically worse than Kishimoto and he fails at anatomy or "well drawn" setpieces, he actually does a lot better than Kishimoto when it comes to panelling, choreography, pacing and such. Worse artist, better mangaka.>>291900028Kill yourself retard. Your comments add nothing. You are a net negative to the discussion of this 3/10 children manga. Probably the usual suspect anyway, not getting more (You)s from me.
Ninku won
>>291899866Gai smashed through them.
>>291900060Kek aren't you that autist that was getting mad at people for just using the word "retard" as an insult, and now you're the one spamming it? And you're also the one who keeps repeating the same phrases over and over again like "usual suspect" or "net negative". You're so pathetic.
>he's arrived
>>291896431you don't understand, Madara's ribs weren't supposed to break because of Hashirama's cellsKishi is truly a genius
>>291900060>The retard who keeps spamming buzzwords is also a Boruto shillYou can't make this shit up lmao. You have so much shit taste.
>>291899835>(I don't think anyone would argue this part looked bad)Some of the smaller panels were really scribbly. Also, it would have looked better if Madara's design wasn't so dogshit as a Jinchuriki.
>where's Bee?
>>291900162
>retard >net negative >3/10 children manga>usual suspect Sigh...
funnycomfy
>>291900060>he actually does a lot better than Kishimoto when it comes to panelling, choreography, pacing and suchYou're an actual retard.
It's that time of day huh?
ninku is the driest squid i ever chewed
>>291899980>Draw great pages.You're a retard with shit taste.
>>291900001We don't know, we barely saw the fight. He tried to fight back in the beginnig, but Lee and Minato intervened.
>>291896324>>291896408It's not sweat. The red aura during 8 gates is aerosolised blood gushing out.Naruto restarting his heart should have no effect, there's nothing left for it to pump.
>>291900060The only way i can see Ikemoto having better paneling is in the sense that it's easier to understand what's going on but otherwise he's pretty shit at it too.
>>291900212>usual suspectIt's really ironic that he uses this phrase.
>>291900437Yeah pretty much. How retarded do you have to be to say Ikemoto is better at paneling kek.
Kiriyama is better than both Kishit and Ickymoto...
>>291900379>Naruto restarting his heart should have no effect, there's nothing left for it to pump.Naruto didn't "restart the heart", I think. Opening the gates is displayed as some kind of chakra signature in the body, and Naruto basically fixed the chakra "node" that is at the same location as the heart. It's not like the death from the gate of death was ever stated to be from bloodloss. From what it looks, Gai would have died from crumbling to dust. His foot is almost gone by the time Naruto re-chakras his heart.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1792933658192756.mp44 episodes dropped
>>291900437Ikemoto actually tries to convey a sense of progression, build-up, pacing, on a page to page basis, with decent amount of success. Kishimoto's pages feel disjointed and disconnected, with panels that feel missing or sometimes it feels like you're missing entire pages. Or bad choice of what to depict entirely, with unjustifiable long shots that don't show the important bits.
>>291900589You're a deluded moron if you genuinely think that.
Meds. Now.
>>291900589>Ikemoto actually tries to convey a sense of progression, build-up, pacing, on a page to page basis, with decent amount of success.Can you give any examples?
>>291900672when Boruto is on screen he does a constipated looking face and poses like a retarded moron
>>291900189I can't believe Gyuki got extracted and Bee is dead for real
>>291900672It's kinda hard to define with a single page, but read a few Kishimoto chapters and a few Boruto chapters, you might see what I mean when I say Kishimoto pages feel almost random at times with the choice of shots, perspective and the way these dialogues or fight scenes unfold. Meanwhile you can tell Ikemoto can't draw very well but he follows broad manga conventions quite closely. It's even more obvious during action scenes, Kishimoto will NOT draw jackshit, meanwhile Ikemoto will depict all of the fight, even too much (he basically turned a lot of these fights into kung fu brawls)If I have to criticize Ikemoto for paneling I'll say his pages are quite overcrowded. It helps with dialogue pacing (like highlighting a character's pause, or his emotions...) but it feels like comfy to read.
Will the current powerup redeem (heh!) Sasuke's track record?
>>291900786Kek thanks for the (You) retard
>>291900620
>>291900834You're welcome! I like to discuss visual storytelling sometimes :)
>>291900827copyruto stole that move from ninku. he's the real hero of the village, fuck it NINKU HOKAGE 2027
>>291899482Sounds stupid
>>291900921Ninku is probably the better manga honestly
what stopped Guy from going for his rinnegan since that is the source of his power?
>>291900981Madara went limp to disperse the damage, and he shifted his vitals in time.
>>291900827Sorry but the Hokage edo-tenseis retconned that edo-tensei are weaker than living people, therefore current living Raikage > old zombie Raikage
Thank you dailyramen
>>291900981What stopped madara from going full susano ten tails powered bujuu dama nukes and rinnegan power and all that against guy?the writing that's what.
>>291901045I too must pay my respects. there would be no funnycomfy without him.
dailyramen revived Ninku and I must thank him for that
>>291900067Sakon...
It's no-life faggot hours apparently
>>291896404>fight went nowhere >choreography was nonexistent >constantly interrupted by less interesting things>couldn't even kill off GuyI hate all the retards who keep saying this fight is "FUCKING HYPE BRO!!!".
>>291901045Dailyramen? Won.Ninku? Canon.Ikemoto? Retconed.
>>291901232Nobody will care about (You) the day this shitty general dumps chapter 700 lol
>>291896363>>291896369>>291896381https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q_sH1cj4As
>>291899500>It's kind of interesting that Kishimoto would actually state that instead of chickening out with making the two rivals equal like he always doAre you retarded? There are plenty of other rivalries in this manga where one character is definitely stronger than the other.
>>291896363>>291896369>>291896381https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zfIZaBWLaQ
>>291901279One of the few Shippuden tracks that really fit Part 1's track.I still don't get why it's titled Uchiha Itachi. Was it even used in scenes with Itachi?
>>291901324Kek
>>291901302Such as? Superiority is rarely if ever established. The main rivals, Naruto and Sasuke, have spent 500 chapters tying in the mandated chidori/rasengan clash. Obviously something as stupid as Sakura/Ino doesn't count lmao.
>>291899651AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>291900927What do you mean?
>>291901452He's just derailing these threads with one word replies like this, that's what he means. You can even tell when this begins.
>>291901377>Such as? Naruto vs Sasuke ended with Sasuke admitting that he lost. Lee vs Neji had Neji completely ovepower Lee in their flashbacks (which was the only time their rivalry ever really mattered).
I believe Might Guy had this stupid "he has to live" from Kishimoto because then people would ask why no one edo tensei him instantly and finish the job with Kaguya
>>291901493>Sasuke admitting that he lostNot actual inferiority, it was a moral loss and they even said later "we'll have our real fight later". This new sequel even seems to start with that fight. And Sasuke is never depicted as lesser than Naruto here.>Lee vs Neji had Neji completely ovepower Lee in their flashbacks That's completely different again, this is the setup, that's just like Naruto starting as weaker than Sasuke. It would be just like Kakashi and Guy if Neji said "wow Lee you surpassed me" but he never actually does and the story keeps treating them somewhat interchangeably (both useless) with the only argument for Neji being seen as the better one is that he's a jonin (but it's a flimsy argument)
>>291901525>why no one edo tensei him instantly and finish the job with KaguyaYou could say this about a lot more characters
>>291896426>life touch that brings people back from the brink of inevitable deathSakura continues to grow ever more useless
>>291898704Maybe during the Pain attack? That killed a shit ton of people and literally destroyed the entire leaf village? >Oh wait he was out of the village haha what a coincidence haha that sure does suck doesn't it? Boy howdy how inconvenient!Fucking retarded. That's called bad writing. You're telling me that in 700 chapters and then fighting against an evil organization of a dozen people, Kishi couldn't find one single instance that allowed the 8 gates to be opened before end game Madara?
>>291901525There are actually negative reasons why they wouldn't bring back Itachi again. They used random Zetsu's for sacrifice.
>>291901488Schizo
>>291896426JESUSruto
>>291901525The Edo Tensei being this forbidden technique that was seen as morally too indefensible from the country that routinely sent pre-schoolers into the meat grinder will never not be funny to me.>sending 4 year olds to fight, kill, and die? makes sense>sacrificing enemy prisoners of war or convicted criminals to resurrect immortal shinobi to fight for us? whoa whoa, that's way too unethical!!!Zetsus being able to be sacrificed make it even worse. They did this solely so Orochimaru didn't have to kill anyone to summon the previous Hokage, when Orochimaru shouldn't give a fuck about killing people.
>>291897326Kakashi's tenure btw
>>291901603>That's called bad writing.Eh. It's convenient, but I don't really know why that is "bad writing". To me it just means that Kishimoto already had in mind that Gai was supposed to be extremely powerful if he went all out.>Kishi couldn't find one single instance that allowed the 8 gates to be opened before end game Madara?I mean, yeah, that's how the story played out. He's not around when Pain attacks, and otherwise there is never a situation when him hitting the suicide button would have been the adequate solution for the problem at hand. Aside from the Konoha Crush, I guess? Ultimately Gai is just a minor character, and this manga isn't really about him. I think it's cool that he gets one last hurra where the big bad tells him he's a cool guy. It's just stupid that he doesn't get to die.
>>291896415dab kick from baseruto confirmed for sage of the six paths tier
>>291901823To be fair, Kakashi suffered from the village never forgiving his dad, so chances are he overcorrected.
>>291901785>They did this solely so Orochimaru didn't have to kill anyone to summon the previous HokageI do not think Kishimoto thought that far ahead. I think he did that just to explain where Kabuto was getting all those edo sacrifices from.
>>291897166yeah douche chills
>>291896911It's carried entirely by power level wank
>>291900001Madara couldn't fight back. He and his orbs could only react to the first (and maybe second) step of Guy's Sekizo, once he's hit with the second step, the rest of the barrage is a true combo. And Night Guy is a move that is on another level compared to Sekizo, he won't ativate Susanoo on time. Madara should have been on full guard at the moment Guy opens the last gate, he can only blame his own playful attitude. Not that it matter in the end though cuz high regeneration hax.
Still in disbelief Kishimoto killed Naruto and Sasuke only to bring them back 3 minutes later through deus ex machina
>>291902064Are you really in disbelief? There's no way in hell Kishi would ever even consider killing off those two. When the manga was releasing weekly there was absolutely 0 tension that either of them would die. You could end a chapter with their fucking heads being cut off and not one person would buy that they're actually dead.
>>291899236Yes.
>>291899202He's the only one taking his job as a ninja seriously.
>>291902100I'm not talking about expecting death, it's more about the jobbing -> so6p bullshit power up -> resurrection sequence that I find completely shameless
>>291902035He could have activated Susanoo when Gai talked about doing his final move. If they had time to talk, they had time to use abilities (atleast that is what logic dictates, but we all know talking is a free action in manga).
>>291902168The powercreep at the end is too extreme. Sasuke and Naruto before the powerup are simply no match for Madara, so they either need to lose or have an absolute bullshit powerup, which they get.
>>291902201But they don't win anyway, Madara self-destructs.
>>291901710In reality Naruto and Sauce are more like Cain and Abel.
>>291901594She's so cute when she's kek
>>291899866Madara was sandbagging the whole time cuz he wanted to see what Guy could do
>>291902230Cain and Abel reincarnated?
>>291902230
>>291902281>......
>>291902370> "Now, look. You have to understand the fundamental tragedy of the Uchiha clan."> lean forward, eyes widening, hand gestures becoming erratic> "It is not merely a story about ninjas. It is a story about the *catastrophic* failure of the social contract within a clan-based hierarchy!"> "Sasuke is the quintessential manifestation of the wounded child. He is burdened by a legacy of trauma that is—frankly—staggering. He chooses the path of the Shadow. He rejects the collective in favor of a singular, vengeful pursuit of power. And why? Because the alternative is the unbearable agony of vulnerability!"> "And then you have Naruto. Now, Naruto is fascinating. He is the social pariah. He is the outcast who refuses to be defined by his marginalization. He doesn't just seek acceptance; he seeks *validation* through the attainment of the highest possible status: The Hokage. It is a classic struggle for dominance, but framed within a framework of altruism. It’s a very sophisticated psychological play!"> "The dynamic between Naruto and Sasuke is a dialectic struggle between the Light and the Dark. One seeks to heal the world through empathy, the other seeks to burn the world down to cleanse it of hypocrisy! It's practically Biblical! It's the struggle of the individual against the crushing weight of ancestral sin!"> suddenly stop to correct a student's question about "filler episodes"> The filler is a manifestation of the mundane struggle of daily existence! It represents the plateau of growth before the next evolutionary leap in the protagonist's psyche! you fools>"Will of Fire" is actually a metaphor for the Jungian collective unconscious> look at the camera with a haunted expression> "And that, in a nutshell, is why the fight at the Final Valley is the only way to resolve the tension of their respective identities. They had to beat each other into submission to finally achieve a state of mutual understanding. It's... it's actually quite poignant.
>>291901134Not your bloody basterd saar
>>291896363Someone post the game version
>>291896324lmao at that bottom right panel
>>291902499
>>291902740
next big thing?
>>291897371I have to agree for once. I'm usually all for shitting on Kishi but these have to be the most bitchiest whiny complaints ever done.Which is saying something because there's a lot of shit in this manga to complain about.
>>291902595Thanks Grok
>>291902916
>>291897371>Gaara has his Bijuu extracted......... he's going to.... die>nope>Naruto finally broke the seal of Kurama..... he's going to die>nope>Naruto had Nine Tails extracted.... he's dead>nope>Guy opened the 8 Gates........ he's dead now>nope
>>291903072You forgot Obito who also got the bijuu extracted
>>291903104kek why even make that rule if you selectively apply it when you want?
>>291903137drama>>291903000I agree though, some of the complaints are really stupid
>>291903406>dramathem actually dying would improve the dramatic storytelling (like Jiraiya)
>>291903705In the long term, sure. You must understand that the point of a weekly shonen manga is for kids to want to read the next chapter next week. So short term drama is often focused on.
>>291903804but them dying does not destroy the short term drama either. you just make it more confusing when you go "he died" to "he was resurrected 5 pages later with a power he got this chapter"
Tumbleweeds be tumblin
Hanabump no Jutsu!
>>291896748>>291898677>it's just the one leggive him a ninja pirate peg leg
>>291904631
>>291905185Raikage-san...
The Naruto community demands more Ninku and Boruto.
>>291905365>Ninku and BorutoKishibros... Our mangaka's been surpassed by both his predecessor and successor...
>>291896324You were amazing, Guy.Absolutely one of the top five taijutsu users I've fought so far...
>>291896911I remember it being better in the anime...
>>291896240Half of these chuds is barefoot
>>291904122But if you actually kill a character for good you have to commit to that route. That means your options how the story could continue diminish. This is not a problem if you planned ahead, mind you. But then we are back to the original problem: this is a weekly manga and you don't really plan ahead.
Naruto should have kept the scarf as a permanent part of his blank period outfit. Ninjas with scarves always look cool.
>>291902939It sucks
I need the doujin with oro and sasuke in his layer or dungeon , sauce is a sultan and orochimaro is offering slaves for sex sasuke is not pleased with sny of it until oro produced a nart clone for safe keeping and sasuke loses his mind getting fucked by him and fucking orochimarus ass
>>291907079That sounds canon, are you sure it was a doujin?
>>291896324THERE IT IS.WITNESSED!ACKNOWLEDGED!
I will PERSONALLY impregnate Anko and Kishimoto will be unable to stop me.
>>291896363And so ends the cycle of life. Daytime-Afternoon-Evening-Night.
>>291897636The jobber sand ninjas are easily taken care of by everyone. It's the Sound 4+Orichimaru that is the real problem and I don't think even 7 gates Guy can break through the 4 man barrier.
>>291903072>>291903104Also Bee. Literally no one is concerned by him and has no Uzumaki plot armor but he is completely fine afterwards unlike Naruto.
>>291898164Or makes it so that Night Guy permanently harms Madara, rendering his bs healing less ineffective and severely weakening him, allowing Naruto/Sasuke to finish him off. But this is Kishi's yaoi fantasy with his brother, so we can't have nice things like side characters accomplishing something meaningful.
Night, Guy.
>>291896317What a beast
>>291896324T H E S T R O N G E S Talso>taijutsu?>>291896363fuking REKTthis page is sick>>291896415he can just touch that now? missing madaras head is going to cost him>>291896426more random bullshitwhat mode is he in? eyes look stupid without the sage marks
Shame we never got to see Fight Guy
tumbleweeds
Who saw >>291895363 today?
>>291909334what is this?
>>291896415>>291897145What's with this dab kick that redheads/Uzumakis keep doing.
>>291909651https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Psychic_Policeman_Chojo
>>291896317>>291896324>>291896363Holy shit, that's a lot of blood.>>291897100It translates to Night Guy. He uses part of his own name instead of an animal for the final attack.
>>291909334I do not know this anime, but this character has absolutely fucking god tier taste, and the writer deserves ten billion burgerbux.
>>291896273Kakashi's dad was really nice :D
>>291896363i remember first reading it the subtitle was Night Moth. no idea why they changed it to 'guy.'
>>291910027Moth is retarded
>>291910027I have no idea what translation you read, but it was always Guy. It completes his whole motif. Morning Peacock, Afternoon Tiger, Evening Elephant and climaxing at Night Guy(the red beast). Moth makes no sense. Why would he progressively get more intense and end on an insect? Lol
they see me tumblin
cute!
>>291907079Happy birthday snakey chud
>>291896426How did Naruto know how to do that
>>291910027>>291910190>>291910229I remember reading a translation with a TL note that it was a pun with wasps. Something about yagai (night gai) also being wasp. So if Anon read a translation with a moth, maybe there is some relation to flying insects? I dunno, I don't speak moon.>>291911587Probably instinct. He can essentially see chakra with his sage mode chakra-sensing. So he saw Gai's chakra node being fucked up, and since he now has the power of creation, he just figured he'd create a new functioning one.I'm more interested in the fact that we don't see how he got out of the kamui dimension.
>>29190764831 year old women are in high demand!
>>291899500>It's kind of interesting that Kishimoto would actually state that instead of chickening out with making the two rivals equal like he always dothis much was clear right from Guy's introduction. Only copers would claim otherwise
>>291911947Kakashi got carried really hard by Obito's bullshit OP sharingan, otherwise he wouldn't be even close to Guy
>>291896639>outside of NejiHe had to pay
>>291902295Yeah.
ENTER
>>291897326Kishimoto might be a hack of epic proportions, but he still doesn't want his mango to get too repetitive and predictable, so one of these two chuds had to live. Double heroic sacrifice would be too boring and Itachi's and Naruto's cocks won't suck themselves, please understand. Orochimaru on the other hand totally redeemed himself by saving Tsunade, and not starting a world-ending war unlike some others, and fellating Saucegay, and uhhh...deep self-reflection and restraint while wrangling a bunch of retarded teenagers? So yeah he earned his mkultra snake shotas and happy retirement.
why are japs defending this trash so much? an ugly kid with frog face, stupid humor, a guy in fundoshi, a guy who hates women and a stupid woman with red hair that only thinks about datingI don't get what is so deep about it, why would 50 year old japs be so obsessed about this series? the manga doesn't have an ending yet
>>291912730Now I see why Kishi likes this thing so much
>>291912730I love Naruto
>>291912730Your idol Kishimoto copied every single thing from Ninku, you braindead moron.
so he was chasing Sasuke to get him back to the village for a decade because they had chakra reincarnations avatars or some shit? what? this is why he was kneeling to Raikage?
>>291912791Seems like the editor saved the manga and ruined it at the same time.
>>291912592He looks so fucking dumb. All those next gen kids are so abysmally fugly and goofy looking, only Salad was kind of cute, before pedomoto ruined her. At least in bort's and kawaki's case you can blame it on pedomoto and the ugliness of the parents, but I don't know what Kishi was smoking when he came up with Mitsuki. He doesn't even look like Orochimaru, like at all, even though he's meant to be a clone or something, his gaiden was majorly creepy and nonsensical, and he's been a fifth wheel practically from day 1.
>>291912036It is almost comical how 100% correct he is.
>>291912791
Enter
>>291912990What part ruined it? Putting in Sasuke?
>>291912592Imagine paying that amount of money for that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei4qd3-M2lUwhy would they post thisfucking hell
>>291913762>why would they post the most intimate scene of the gay lover protagonists
>>291899866because then it'd be an actual back and forth fight that Kishi would have to draw, rather than a special move showcase. Not that it's the first time a character refuses to use the most logical move, think of all the predicaments that could have been solved by Naruto dropping Gamabunta on someone.
>>291913608That, and also giving jutsus consistent names for world building. That made the world building worse, not better.
>>291912593funny how Itachi never used Izanami on Sasuke but instead used Tsukuyomi to brainfuck torture him and he would be dead without Tsunade before he left the village, it doesn't make any fucking sense man fuck this manga
>>291913942In fact he should have just used the "become a good person" genjutsu on literally everyone. The uchiha should have all been trained to constantly use that jutsu on criminals. They were the police force after all.
>>291912592Zesty ass nigga
>>291913927>iving jutsus consistent names for world building. That made the world building worse, not better.You realize the result of Kishi not being tardwrangled into being consistent is what happens in the war arc, where people just constantly pull random shit out of their ass, right?
>>291912592He’s so cool
>>291914123No one ever managed to tardwrangle Kishi into being consistent and not pulling random shit out of his ass. Part 1 is full of it too, it's just less noticeable because it's part 1.
>>291914354Sure, it always exists, but the excessive volume in the war arc is noticeable, don't you think?
>>291913927>fire element>wood element>sage art>ninjutsu>taijutsu>genjutsuYou're saying this was a bad thing??
>>291914392Is it? Compared to part 1. It had random funny bullshit like Guy's turtle, crappy worldbuilding from the start, and Kishi was clearly writing by the seat of his pants. The majority of Konoha 11 only appear during the exams, Orochimaru and Kabuto's evil plans and quirks keep changing in every new scene they appear, many other things never made sense or stopped making sense long before the war arc.
>>291906902Yeah, and there are shounen stories that are actually able to commit to that route.This whole "but it's a shounen story, it doesn't need to focus on things like that!" thing is such a shitty excuse for bad writing. You're a pathetic moron.
>>291897371>>291903406>>291903000You keep saying this in every thread but you never bring up any examples. What are the bitchy complaints itt that are forced? I swear you're such an insufferable retards that pollutes every single of these threads. And you're probably the same person replying to yourself over and over again. Kill yourself.
>>291914538I was mostly thinking how in part 1 usually there is some sort of logic to powers, like Naruto steals a secret scroll, then uses the jutsu he learned from it. He learns to summon Gamabunta, then does it in a fight.In the war arc it's established Naruto can't use Shadow Clones in kcm1, then he uses them anyways and they're somehow insanely more effective than the ones he used previously with no explanation. It's established that sealing Biju is a lengthy process and jinchuriki have to grow up alongside their chakra for years to get used to it, then Obito just uses a jutsu that makes him a ten tails jinchuriki and within a few minutes controls it perfectly.People just pull random, world breaking abilities out of ther asses without any cause that explains them.
>>291914607I am the middle reply here. I think complaining about Gai being super powerful all along because Konoha should have told him to press the suicide button earlier, for example, is a pretty silly complaint.
>>291902939All it needs is an anime
>>291915041Faggot
>>291915041Saint
>>291906536As with every single fight in this series
>>291915145Faggot
>>291915175>pain
>>291913762They even put a heart effect in pink colours on top of the kiss this time NANI THE FUCK
>>291915338Umm. Based?
>>291915262Also better in the anime.
>>291913691Anon..
>>291913762Fujo manga.
>>291915041Yuppie yup!
>>291915760Faggot
you have 10 seconds to name ninku's power system
>>291915808I really don't understand the Ninku shitposting at all. Is it just because the main character is ugly? Some sort of anger over Kishimoto being inspired by it?
>>291915851it's doodoo and irrelevant
>>291915851Sakon is just spamming it for some reason
AWAKEN MY MASTERS
>>291916271big plot hole - even bigger than THAT jutsu about to come
>>291916135You saw one pic with shit on top of Ninku's head and Immediately assumed it's him?>>291915851My guess is that the shitposter is mad that the 4 eps became a crossover.
>>291915080>>291915237>>291915788Pathetic!!
>>291916418Nah, it's because the faggot is horrible at remaining anonymous.
>>291916479anonymity is a lie
>>291916479What about the ninku shitposting is anything like him?
>>291916572The biggest tell is when he wakes up calling to his jeet in the archives and simultaneously spams Ninku shit here.
>>291916565You don't even know who i am
>>291916751Kodachi-san.. please save Boruto
>>291913608Sasuke was fine in early part 1 Naruto. I'm pretty sure it was still Kishi's decision to go with friend turned enemy and then focus so much of the manga on Naruto getting him back.
>>291916751maybe I don't but ^they^ do
>>291916418>My guess is that the shitposter is mad that the 4 eps became a crossover.If you're referring to me because I post "Ninku won", I do it to rub it in because I think it's hilarious and I enjoy the suffering of anon(s) who have wasted their lives obsessing over this series. And now this crossover is what they're getting after years of nothing, kek.
>>291916727Went into the archives to check the timeframes and those aren't even that close to think they definitely come from the same person.
>>291917283Alright, that closest the case.
>>291917283>I-I don't care about Naruto, b-baka, I do it to make fun of you... seriously these Naruto fans are pathetic.... haha
>>291917396You forgot to attach the gigachad image.
so how does Sakura and Sasuke survive guns when they go to Ninku village?
>>291917396I care. It's been fun to reread it like this ever since I hopped on this daily. But although I did enjoy it in my teens, Naruto is probably not even my top 5 shonen. Even Rave might be better by a bit. Bleach and DBZ most certainly are. I have zero desire for anything Naruto related as far as new content goes.
>>291917474Is this funny to you?
>>291917335Check yesterday. Dumb dumb.
I miss them
>>291917474part 1 sasuke - uchiha weapon jutsupart 2 sasuke - susano spampart 1 sakura - gets shot, probably diespart 2 sakura - gets shot, heals herself with green hands
>>291917615you mean them
>>291917942Our HEROES
>>291917615DAMN.. Kisame and Kakuzu look like THAT?
>>291917942Instead of making fun of Ninku you should thank the editor for making Naruto not look like a Ninku clone
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But would Fuusuke job to paperwork?
>>291896317Aura
