https://www.threads.com/@mr.gentleman1966/post/DfFHyPhGRXC
Ashes to AshesDust to Dust
>>291950002Evil cannot createIt can only destroy
>>291950115Apparently it cannot even let alone. What could possibly be needed in what is clearly a low-rise area more than a local landmark of a titan of national art?
>>291950002Why? DBZ is still producing money
Surely that's some engagement bait title, right?Must be his older house house. His last house must be worth millions, there's no reason to demolish it.
>>291950165japanese people are evil
>>291950187Just like with the Haruhi school.
>>291950165I remember reading something about japan constantly demolishes and rebuilds older houses
>>291950187They are, but come on. It's just a fuckin house.
>>291950165Shueisha and Toei have the rights over Dragon Ball. Toriyama was a genius but he didn't know how to negotiate and Dragon Ball was producing so much money that even a small fraction of the profit was more than enough for what he needed to raise a family
>>291950219Got to keep the construction industry employed
>>291950002Good riddance. Honestly it was past due to do this and I was beginning to get twitchy
>>291950002This is how it's done in Japan. They don't build things to last. When foreigners started renovating old properties, the Japanese thought they were insane.
>>291950346thispretty much the only things that get renovated are landmarks and cultural properties (like big temples or Tokyo Tower)
>>291950346>your nation's most famous artist in all of its history>not a landmark
>>291950002The Japanese don't have nearly the same hangups about preservation that we do in the west.
>>291950380>you're famous, now everything you ever touched is a tourist traputterly soulless way to conduct a culture. Just build a monument
>>291950386You'd think since they preserve all these old traditions that they would care more about keeping other bits of history, but nope.
>>291950397How is it soulless to preserve the workspace of your most famous guy for your future generations to contemplate?
>>291950380Actually, Hokusai hated cleaning so he just left his house and moved whenever it became too dirty or cluttered. Or to escape debt. He did this a lot.
>>291950397ayo, this nigga loves public modern art.
>>291950002I always expected Toriyama to live in a bigger house but it seems he was screwed by Shueisha
>>291950480It's a big place for such a poor island.
>>291950424A lot of the japanese "tradition" were adopted during the meiji restoration to give that very same impression. tea ceremony, bushido etc, all that stuff was adopted, reformed to fit a unified vision of the country, i remember reading something about how they view archeological study etc with a bit of wariness since it could pretty much shatter this idea of unified nation.
>>291950380>>291950425>Akira Toriyama sat around drawing and writing in this very roomHe's not Hitler, Jesus or Jesse James. What's the appeal of that?
It seems this was all approved by whoever took over Bird Studio, whatever demon that is
>>291950509He may be the most famous Japanese person born in the second half of the 20th century.
>>291950270>>291950219It’s a Shinto thing from the deep, deep past, likely even the Paleolithic indigenous culture that left behind mound tombs and a few other things before the Japanese culture recognized today came over from the mainland. In any case, the Traditional way does revolve around rebuilding wooden structures entirely anew rather than preserving them indefinitely. Older shrines actually had paired locations that were used cyclically with a new building put on one spot while an older building was left to be reclaimed by nature, cleared, and built anew at the other site.
>>291950509>all irrelevant jobber than got killed
>>291950533Do Toriyama's children get anything?
>>291950550maybe when you live in an earthquake hotspot, you naturally develop a culture of ephemerality
>>291950533>>291950572Turns out his bitch wife is who destroyed it.
>>291950187All people are evil
>>291950002That's none of our business
Anon is taking this personally.
>>291950002Wait, what? Couldn't it be made into a museum or something?
>>291950593Damn right. Even zoomers like you would have grown up with dragon ball content.
>>291950548But he didn't do anything interesting.
>>291950550Kofun period (where the mound tomb started popping up en masse) is like 300-500 years old. It's funny you mention it because Japan also forbid any type of archeological excavation or analyses of these tombs.
> Be Japan> Make houses that last a certain amount of time and then get demolished so they don't end up with the retarded real state bubble of other countries that causes nobody to be able to afford housing> Also get your population into shrinking just for extra supply> Americans seeing a house being demolished: AHHH THE HORRORLmao. Toriyama lives on through his works, not by some pieces of wood to turn into a tourist attraction
>>291950580You have to destroy the structure to sell the property. That's why so many homes are cheap in those isolated villages; the people want to escape the tax burden.
>>291950622How much could ~10 houses per century in a nation of over 100 million people possibly cost homeowners, fag-kun?
>>291950219Part of the culture as other anon pointed outhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-japanese-shrine-has-been-torn-down-and-rebuilt-every-20-years-for-the-past-millennium-575558/
>>291950219Japan does not like the idea of moving into an older house. They have some superstition similar to what we would call a haunting, but it's not really a haunting. It's more that the house just isn't their own and can never be theirs. So when someone buys a house, they either remodel it fully or demolish and rebuild. Surprisingly this keeps the cost of houses pretty low because there isn't a lot of demand for keeping an old house.
wooden construction is legally worthless on paper after 30 yearsthat doesnt mean jap arent just living in these houses or demilitioing them one day after 30 years
>>291950653Well, the land is what's valuable.
>>291950643You speak like it was the state that demolishes the houses and not the owners/inheritors.
>>291950664Depends on the land. Keeping houses from appreciating keeps something from happening like some hobo shack in California costing ~2M, because people can't pawn that off as appropriate housing for the neighborhood. Has the double effect of keeping every building up to code.
>>291950643if everyone is rebuilding a house, then the supply of people who construct houses is up. So the costs go down.
>>291950621>like 300-500 years oldThe Kofun period was about 300-500 AD anon, that's 1500-1700 years ago.
>>291950688i mean 300-500 years CE my bad.
>>291950688No, it's actually 80 AD and mere decades have passed since the death of Christ. Time isn't real
>>291950144gotta create space for more data centers
>>291950740So it's all true ? Otto III and pope Sylvester II scammed us like this ?!
>>291950740Time is real because it can stop and will cease to exist.
>>291950582No just you.
>>291950576I think it’s probably more likely just to ensure that you’re always building something wooden to spec from scratch instead of being lazy about patching and reinforcing until it becomes a hazard. Especially the crazy bastards living in the north who had to invent structures that wouldn’t collapse with heavy snowfall. >>291950621Those larger mounds and the boom of building them coincide with the migration from the mainland that also brought over Chinese script and all the other influences. The “historical Japan” and the state that exists today is essentially a Chinese colony that took over the islands, that’s why archaeology on this period in particular is so toxic.
>>291950653My japanese family has a second house, nobody "lives" there though my brother-in-law is introverted and goes there to work on his laptop sometimes. It's very old, you can literally fall through the floor in some places. You can feel the floorboards warp underfoot as you walk, and the kitchen is completely slanted. My wife absolutely refuses to ever stay the night there because ghosts.
>>291950002"Bird Studio" is not an actual studio, it's just what Toriyama called himself when it was relevant to speak as a company rather than a person. It never had any employees or anything, it was just him.
>>291950805>Introverted Nice definition of that word you have there
>>291950870What?
Dragonball monkeys, you're never going to Japan, so you'd never be able to check out his toilet anyway.
>>291950606I'm 31. I grew up with this. Had the entire series on vhs. I just got better things to worry about.
>>291950900Zoomer
>>291950497not so much adopted but standardized from the top-down, the same happened with religion
>>291950509> Jesse JamesWho?
>>291950219>>291950270Land is really expensive in japan. They don't waste them on vacant buildings with zero historic value.
>>291950622>anon never heard of Tokiwa-so
>>291950165old houses legally depreciate to $0the value is in the land, not in the building
>>291950002Nothing lasts forever, we will all die. Enjoy being alive now.
>>291950975Rural land in Japan is exceedingly cheap. You can buy a parcel for practically pennies. This has become pretty well known over the past decade.
>>291950870nta, there's nothing wrong with his usage of introverted. If he wrote it as "my brother-in-law is an introvert," it would read a little more naturally and smoothly. But "introverted" also works and is grammatically correct.
>>291950944Some American cowboy outlaw and psychopath that only rednecks care about.
>>291950002Surely they could have sold it to a rich fan or something at least?
>>291950900You're literally the oldest zoomer anon, the youngest millennial is 32.
>>291951141that's even more disrespectful
>>291950759based
>>291951110>zoomer who doesn't like the government and social order, today: OHHHH BRAVE FREEDOM FIGHTER!!! HERO WHO STANDS UP AGAINST BASIC FUNCTIONING SOCIETY!!!>guy who didn't like the government and social order, back then: REEEEEE WHAT A PSYCHOPATH LOSER!!!! ONLY REDNECKS CARE ABOUT HIM!!!!
>>291950380>>29195042599% of foreigners are secondaries don't even care about DB manga, they only watched the anime. They also don't care that Goku was extremely famously voiced by a woman in Japan. Most only care about their own personal altered, derivative version, so I'm not too keen on listening to their opinions of what Japan ought to do.
>>291950789It worse than that, as the people who came to Japan likely did so from korea. They're like sibling cultures. Just don't tell them that.
>>291951252Take your meds, nobody mentioned any of that.
>>291950397You’re a retard. There’s nothing more soulful than old architecture being re used. This is why places like europe have maintained a distinctive character and most of japan is a soulless concrete ant hill
>>291951215Who are you quoting Cletus
Sure it's sad, but that's life. The houses and workplaces of plenty of other deceased mangaka are likely gone as well. When the mangaka is gone, sooner or later their next of kin will clear out their stuff and the place will be sold and repurposed. Which will entail being modified or demolished and replaced. Their workplaces aren't special enough or famous enough to be preserved as is indefinitely.
>>291951307Who cares what you mentioned? The whole point is you don't get a say, gaijin. Not your country, not your culture.
doesn't the family estate own them? that's history being destroyed right there. who knows what valuables are in there.
>>291950944>>291951110I'm not American. You are just historically illiterate.
>>291950580did she not get enough money from the inheritance?
>>291950622Americans are fucking retarded, they cannot fathom the idea that some land is no longer in use, so a new Japanese family should be able to purchase the plot for a fair price and build their home there. Every American boomer is hoarding a house, a beach house, a cottage, and a condo and the younger generations can't afford to live anywhere because boomers all refuse to sell. Japan doesn't have this idiotic problem.
>>291951462>who knows what valuables are in there.you don't take shit out of a house before you leave? I helped a friend clean up his dead grandma's condo to sell and we combed through every room for anything with either sentimental or monetary value, the only things left were literal trash
>>291951919Boomers run the world and if someone reposts what you said on facebook they might launch a crusade to destroy the japanese housing market, economy and the japanese people themselves. The only thing boomers hate more than their kids is being made fun of or belittled
>>291951462>who knows what valuables are in there.I think it's probably safe to assume anything of value would have been removed prior.
>>291951939Their culture's shit so that's a good thing
>>291952008I guess millennials didn't fall far from the tree
>>291950002>real estate speculator
>we gotta destroy this priceless historical artifact because we want to build a parking lotWhy is modern society retarded?Van Gogh or Shakespheres homes weren't impressive at the time, but you give it a few hundred years and they have a lot more name brand value. It's the same with all artistsDuring their own era it's just seen as "were demolishing this assholes house" but a hundred years from now it's seen as "I can't believe how stupid they were to do that"
>>291952258Toriyama is nowhere near that important of a historical figure.
>>291952291Agree, he is not Oda after all.
>>291952297Even less. MAYBE Tezuka.
>>291950424They are used to it. A single earthquake or typhoon and it all crumbles down.
>>291950550>even the Paleolithic indigenous culture that left behind mound tombs>left behindthis doesn't seem like something that supports your counterpoint when the anon you replied to was talking about how the japanese demolish and rebuildleaving behind mound tombs is a long-lasting thing
>>291950165japan's government forces you to pay for your inheritance tax the very moment the guy who received your inheritance from dies and it's usually an absurd amount too. There's no other way to sell any asset at lowball price (because people know you are desperate to not go into prison).
>>291951919the euros are also in a housing crisis anonjapanese boomers aren't exactly helping their country either but in other ways
>>291950380Would you rather his family approve of selling out his corpse?
>>291950533>>291950580Got any links? I recognize his son being responsible too.
I consider Toriyama a major inspiration, but I wouldn’t step foot in his house. He was a chain smoker. The interior is probably covered in thirdhand smoke residue.
>>291950002Good riddance. Now if we could just obliterate all traces of his shitty work.
