How is everyone in this story comforted by being able to resurrect someone when they know that they aren't actually bringing back the person they knew but someone that's just a clone? That would heavily bother me and they barely even acknowledge that or explore that.
anal with Reika
>>292032739Reika is a run through hag, Kuro did right by choosing Tae.
>>292032651if you had that possibility you would 100% use it. we still don't know anything about the afterlife so it's not a stretch to say that a soul of some sort could exist and thus even by the body being cloned you are actually bringing back the same person. the fact that two Kurono get spawned kind of challenges this theory but honestly they never tried before and still the "truth" is unknown.
>>292032651As far as it's explained in the story it's just copying and pasting a "save file" of a person. Like >>292032956 said, any possibility of an afterlife is left extremely vague.
>>292032956>if you had that possibility you would 100% use it.I wouldn't. It would make me even sadder that the person I cared about has a photocopy running around. If there was a way to confirm that the original conciousness of the person came back, then sure but that's clearly not the case when we saw Reika make another copy of Kuro.
>>292032651same way how readers had to accept this scene as the ending with no other epilogue despite leaving a lot of things in the air
>>292033166>contNot to mention, everyone in the main cast that uses this option has been "ressurected" in the same way to even arrive in the apartment. I assume that would change someone's moral quaundry about the matter rather radically.
>>292032956I wouldn't eithernot without strong proof that this is the same consciousness, not just a clone
>>292033192Clearly not the case much earlier in the story.
>>292033635Oh yeah, I forgot about her.
They could make such kino vidya with this series. They need to try harder.
>>292034442This applies to many series, but Gantz is up at the top for sure. DAMN it could be good.>character creator>different regions to pick from, but you'd eventually be sent to others, becoming more difficult>all the weapons and vehiclesEven with a budget of a modern EDF game, I'd play it
>>292032956>we still don't know anything about the afterlifeWe know there isn't one.
>>292032651Is Gantz worth picking up for the first time if you're not acquainted with the series?
They are literally copy-pasted so why does it matters. if you copy-paste files in your PC do you care?
>>292036951You are a soulless bug man
>>292036933I'd recommend the manga to anyone that enjoys reading manga.
>>292037030It's literally how the series begins. Why would you even be in this thread?
>>292037030The manga literally tell you that when someone dies there is extra information besides the body, which you could argue is the soul, and that too gets restored too so it really doesn't matter, you assumption is that souls are unique and only 1 of the same soul can exist which is wrong.
>>292037092Yes, I understand how it works. You however brushed it off like it was trivial, which I disagree with.>>292037123Where does it confirm that the soul goes back into any of the clones? They simply said that the souls would be reincarnated into other bodies later on.
>>292032651how are you sure you're the same person as yesterday when you wake up
>>292037180Not trying to brush anything off. The story itself treats it trivially, and I thought the conversation was about the characters and their circumstances.
>>292032651No, there's several instances of the story addressing the feelings of devaluation of human life and sense of dread that comes from the copy system, and as usual with Gantz, the reactions varies from character to character. For one you have Sakata straight up forbidding his teammates from reviving him, and you could argue one of the running themes of Kurono's character holding to his new life with everything he had. And then there's of course the Kurono clone that Reika created, who completely embraced nihilism as a response to knowing he wasn't the only Kurono Kei anymore. If you want something akin to a definiti answer from the story/Oku himself, the super god-like aliens have a pretty heavy handed one when they declared the existence of souls, and what's more comfirming that every clone has it when they said the fourth Kurono clone (the one Reika created) would reincarnate a few years later. >>292032739>not just impregnating ReikaSuboptimal. Bordering on homosexual even. >>292032769This is just Taelets propaganda bullshit.
>>292036933>if you're not acquainted with the series?Were you acquainted with every other series you picked up for the first time?
>>292032956Cloning doesn't re-create memories tough.
Kishimoto > Reika
>>292038464We're just re-enacting the tiny hitler hypothetical atp lol
>>292032956>we still don't know anything about the afterlife we know, you're just coping
>>292037123the manga is inconsistent, because the whole point of the souls is that they cannot be copiedwhen "resurrecting" a single copy, where do they get this extra information? where do they get this information for the subsequent duplicates? is it simply copied from somewhere like the rest of the body? if one duplicate dies, does only his information evaporate, leaving the other? how is that different from being a clone and not the original?
>>292032651The memories define a person, if they have those they are the same as the original.
>>292040003you do not have the same memories as the you from five minutes agoare you not the original?also, "the original" and "the same as the original" are different concepts, the second is just a longer way to say copy
>>292033166Technically the aliens do say there souls and when someone dies they leave the dimension, we don't know if they recreate it so clones might all be missing it
>>292032651What was the point of the vampires?
>>292032769>Kuro did right by choosing Tae.This also she SWALLOWS.
>>292032651Came here to post this: >>292040675
>>292032651What the clone thing implies is that every time the black ball teleports them its actually Copy + Paste + Delete. If they are deleted at the same time of paste it can be passed as teleportation.
>>292040977Yeah but that's just teleportation in 99% of sci-fi if you think about it for more than 2 seconds. Gantz just makes it gross because you can actually see the printer jam and spit out a second Kurono. The only reason people sperg over it here is because the ball keeps backups and Oku decided to use it for drama instead of pretending "transfer complete" means magic.
Does it really matter when our own protagonists are "copies"??Or did you forget them getting smashed to 1000 pieces in the first chapter?
>>292035144>>292039041speak from experience?
>there isn't a souls a person is just the sum of their memories lmao>creating a perfect copy of a person containing their memories???>I would never, that's so soulessdo you even realise how retarded you really are?
>>292040977>>292041280teleportation works differently in gantz than in most sf, because it's very slow and gradualeven halfway through, you're both at the source and the destination, and the two halves still function as a wholethis implies some kind of wormhole connecting both in real-time, you can't achieve that with simple copy and pasteit's not definite, the teleportation could still be recreating rather than transporting and only gluing the halves via a wormhole, but it would actually be more effort than just plain pure wormhole
>>292037272Okay, I'm sorry
>>292040675To look cool
>>292040675Aurafarming
>>292044241It's funny how Kuro's brother being killed was nothing more than a footnote. His parents didn't even seem to give a shit
>>292044268I feel like he had big plans for them, an all-out battle between Gantz fighters and vampires and Kurono facing his brother, but then he gave up on that and made everyone a jobber.
The chapters that filtered trillions
>>292032651The fact that the contestants are deleted and reconstructed going to and from any given battlefield would quickly desensitize them to the process.Why do you think the surviving fighters are magically healed of their injuries upon teleporting off the fighting arena?
>>292046512This shit was cringe as fuck, like something a 14 year old would write. It really threw me off with how childish it felt.
>>292048934Filtered.
>>292046512>clone kurono bawling and defending the sanctity of life
>>292048934holy pleb
>>292049381dat pussy doe
Din,din,din.May I have your attention, please?*Clear throat*Fuck One Piece, Fuck Eiichiro Oda.Thanks
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>>292049381Things a demon would say to deceive you, btw.
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>>292032651>That would heavily bother me and they barely even acknowledge that or explore that.How can you claim that when the greatest moment of the manga happens in direct context regarding that topic? See >>292050495The most kino cope in manga next to "Live"
>>292050495>>292050517>>292050546in the vast expanse of the universe, we are as valuable as an ant it is to us I guess, but in the end is all subjective
>>292051139I care, and that's all the reason and justification I need.
>>292046512>>292049381anyone with two brain cells could have refuted and argued with these aliens way better than the characters didthere's so many questions and topics that could be explored here, yet in the end, the level of depth these aliens provided was limited to the level of depth the author has, which was very very shallow
>>292051185Aliens are demons and that's it.
>>292051185yeah let's refute the Ayy Gods the rules of the universe while they are toying with (You) lmaogood luck
>>292049513I would be fucking LIVID if some space demiurge nigga revived and then killed my Reika wife in front of me too.
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>>292052428She's so beautiful.
>>292035144>>292039041>we certainly know that this unfalsifiable metaphysical concept doesn't exist'Hecking science' fags are THE midwits.
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>>292050670>the greatest moment of the mangaAre you 12?
>>292036933i enjoyed it at the time, but in hindsight it helped pioneer the 3d shit that has ruined manga
>>292054796Are you 16 and edgy?
>>292046512Those 3D models look so fucking bad, Oku is a lazy piece of shiet.
>>292055632Making manga is hard and he paid a lot of money for his CGI software and equipment. Prease understandu.
>>292056013For the most part, it was an ugly manga, but those "ants" in the final arc looked truly atrocious. The worst part is that Oku is capable of drawing at an incredible level, Inuyashiki looks ten times better than Gantz, but Inuyashiki has an even worse plot than Gantz, Oku is like a monkey's paw of the manga world.
>>292056156>it was an ugly manga>even worse plot than GantzKys retard. Gantz is great. Stick to JJK and Dandadan.
>>292056559I wish we got more missions before Katastrophe.
>>292056156>Inuyashiki looks ten times better than GantzFucking KEK, no. The CGI in Inuyashiki is even more egregious than in Gantz, and it doesn't have all those creepy monsters eye candy to compensate. I could maybe buy this if it was exclusively a comparison between Inuyashiki vs the latter half of Gantz's phinal phase when Oku was burnt out and his art had gone to hell, but there's nothing in Inuyashiki that looks as good as Gantz's peak during the Oni and Osaka arcs.
>>292056834*Final phaseLittle brainfart there. There's so many memorable splashes and pages in those two arcs alone.
Still better than nothingAnd depends on your perspective on what your self is, if you're not someone who believes in any kind of spiritual essence then it's much easier to square
Watching Izumi die was one of the most satisfying things I've seen in any manga. This motherfucker had it coming from 10000 miles away. I wish I could have landed the killing blow.
>2026>0 Gantz gameWhat the fuck Bros, this thing is perfect coop kino
