Hayao Miyazaki on modern anime, via Roland Kelts the author of 'Japanamerica.'>"Hayao Miyazaki said to me at one point: 'The problem with young anime artists today is that the only thing they study is anime. When we were young, we studied French literature, we studied impressionism, we read Dostoevsky. We swallowed everything. And then we went and created original anime. But if you grow up and all you watch is anime, you're just regurgitating spinning wheels.'"
>>292143405Anno said the same thing. The lack of interest for anything outside anime is a real problem in the anime industry
>>292143405Wasn't this faggot working as an animator? All he did was anime. I'm sure he had a lot of time to read Dostoevsky while slaving away for a bowl or rice.
>>292143405Every time I see his face in the catalog I'm hoping he died.
>>292143405Coming from someone that wants to fuck a 2D girl, the irony.
>>292143657Anno should shut the fuck up, he did nothing but otaku generic crap.I give you Miyazaki cuz he truly is an airplane conesiour but Anno is nothing but your generic otaku fag.
>>292143921Miyazaki just makes saccharine Disney-lite movies for western normalfags.
>>292143405>the only thing they study is animeDoes he even have a study with big enough sample to prove it?
>>292143921Anno read a lot and watch a lot of movies. His favorite director is Kihachi Okamoto and his favorite movie is The Battle of Okinawa. Even his geeky tastes go beyond anime. His aesthetic is highly influenced by Gerry Anderson's shows
>>292143405As always garbage comments from that pretentious faggot. I dont understand people that praise him. Is a mediocre director with the ego of the world.
None of these old men complaining about newer anime have made anything good in the last 20 years.
>>292145134None of the millennial anons complaining about 2020s 4chan have made OC in the past 10 years.
>>292143405he's rightit's like how shitty ais just learn from other ais, its a self feeding loop of quality degradation
>>292143921Love & Pop is a pretty cool movie, you should watch it.
Anime is a lot more consumer friendly than actual real-world literature. Tell me, does anyone here have any interests outside of entertainment media like nonfiction books?
>>292143405Even if that is true then people will just have their own interpretations of the existing media and use them in their works. Every actual author is bound to use whatever hobby, experience or anything they came across in their life, which creates something unique yet again. The balance always gets restored in the end.
>>292145464Not when all media they choose to engage with is extremely shallow and they have no life experience because all they do is consoom
>>292145407Once upon a time there were ambitious producers who would look for well-read writers and artists and secure financing for their experimental ideas, see Yasuyuki Ueda.Unfortunately they are a dying breed as the industry has consolidated around producing the same inane bullshit over and over with no room for experimentation.
Miyazaki is a goddamn pedo elitist and Go Nagai will always be above him.
>>292145323Anno's live action filmography goes from pretty great to fucking great
>>292145112Because of his influence, you'll learn one day. Yeah he hasn't made anything good in a long time but a lot of things you like can be owed to him. Not sure why he goes out of his way to be such a miserable insufferable cunt but you can only respect him.
>>292145144Many of them weren't here ten years ago, they just have this bizarre superiority complex where they think being old makes them better than everyone else
>>292145134>>292145144creativity is deadthere is no soul in the world anymore, anywherethe sooner we accept it the better
Newfag tourists have this obsession with trying to disqualify Miyazaki because his works shit all over their childish reactionary views
>>292146420But he is a reactionary himself, for idealistic boomer hippyism
>>292143932And he's still better. That's how shit Anno is.
>>292146369It's still there. You're projecting your own deadened interior world onto the world around you.
>>292146524He's a literal antifascist, not a reactionary
>>292146620Look up what reactionary means, it's not just a word for your political enemies>literal antifascistMost people are "literal antifascists"
>>292145407The Bell Curve and The Decline of the West are required reading for posting here.
>>292146653>Look up what reactionary meansIt means right wing ideology. Are you the same retard that keeps trying to redefine common political terms?
>>292146668/pol/tard tourist lol
>>292146670No it doesn't, it's just that most of the people using it as an insult are bolsheviks. It actually just refers to someone who wants society to change back to a previous state. Also, fascism is not conservative.
>>292146668implying polniggers even read the shitty books they use as thread topics
>>292146703You're an actual fascist out here preaching lolPlap plap plap, get hanged
>>292143405>DostoevskyWas this retard hanging out with Trevor's actor from GTA5? They both seem to think they are the fucking Shakespeares of their communities when in reality they have done one singular interesting thing in their entire lives.
>>292146716I'm not a fascist, weirdo. Get help.
>>292146730Of course you are, you're ranting about bolsheviks like a neonazi retard
>>292146738Because they are a real thing and historically used reactionary as an insult. Also fascists used reactionary as an insult too.
>>292146670>>292146703You're both wrong and retarded, now fuck off
>>292146668Are you a time traveller from 2014?
>>292146802Hey, which wing was the antirevolutionary one in France?
>>292146803Children raised on /pol/ have never moved on from the 2010s, that's why they still try to do this gamergate shit with anime
>>292146802https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/reactionary_2> a person who is opposed to political or social changeWhat website is that? The above link is to an actual dictionary.The definition you posted fits >>292146703 so this is a strange post
>>292146824The modern "rightist" politicians are in support of lgbt and mass immigration so they aren't conservative at all, they definitely are not conservative or reactionary
>>292146898They aren't left wing just because they don't live up to the standards of basement dwelling neonazis like you who demand race war now. The entire reason right wingers have to pay lip service to left wing social issues is that the masses have firmly come down on the side of progress. Plus all of you are closeted faggots.
>>292146952Your blue party is not left wing, also just take this conversation to /pol/ or clam up
>>292144840Unfathomably based
>>292146952I don't demand any wars, or murdering. If a rightist isn't advocating for a return to traditional society then they aren't reactionary. In fact communists in eastern europe are far more of reactionaries than what you described.
>>292147016Return to the society of xenophobia, slavery, and rape is the only thing right wing losers advocate for
he's not wrongnobody studies their fundies anymore
>>292147070They advocate that for genocidal jews, sure. But not for white people. It's not reactionary since gentile zionism is a very new thing.
>>292147094>source: my ass
>>292147096No, they advocate it everyone but themselves personally because all right wingers are fundamentally just selfish sadists. All the christian nationalists want to establish a theocratic government that allows them to marry white children and keep white women as slaves, passed from father to husband, because they're all pedophiles. All the xenophobia stuff is a ruse to pretend that there's some kind of threat or injustice demanding the enslavement of women as a solution. That's why they all talk about ending women's suffrage. All the antisemitism of the right is just another example of using a random scapegoat to project onto, while the left wing anti-Zionist principles are rooted in opposition to genocide, apartheid, and colonialism. Right wingers themselves are everything they pack into the racist stereotypes they obsess over. They're the subversive, lying pedophiles like they call Jews. They're the violent, lazy, stupid parasites they call immigrants. Their only problem with Epstein is that he wasn't white and they didn't a turn on the island.
>>292147195It seems like you're a very delusional person that assumes every negative quality in people you dislike. And have fallen for the very false idea of a political dichotomy. There's no point arguing with you further as you'll just say even more weird things.
>>292147195>left wing anti-Zionist principlesDo nothing, whine on twitter, gets bombed anyways. Useless as rightoid lol
>>292147258Okay, pedophile
>>292147094Even at his own studio?
>>292147266At the very least, antizionists on the "right" call out the jewish lobby and international jewry in general. The other types will never do that which means they refuse even to acknowledge the greater problem.
>>292143405>rips off yet another western childrens book while making sure to show off the 10yo's protags underwearSASUGA SENSEI
>>292147266It seems like your programming hasn't been updated in a year or two. Since you missed it, the democrat party is in the process of a purge where anti-Zionist candidates supported from grass roots campaigns have taken seats from AIPAC paid politicians. The most dramatic example being in the Michigan senate race where the AIPAC backed loser of the primary endorsed the AIPAC backed Republican after failing to take the campaign hostage with demands to kowtow to Israel. Of course, you will never update your programming because you need a way to cope with all right wingers who have left their parents' basements being pedophile Zionists who will never care about your whining either. >>292147375Jewish voters in Michigan backed the anti-Zionist option decisively. Jewish Voices for Peace has been perhaps the most public and active protest group against Israel's actions, capable of "takeover" protests that would be instantly shut down if non-Jewish groups tried to organize them. Antisemitism is retarded shit for nazi cattle. Race isn't real.
>>292143405>weWho is this we, Miya?He's just describing all the things Takahata did. You know, the guy that got a degree in French literature before working in the anime industry.
>>292147503people used to make fun of these liberal arts degrees but it's suddenly based now?
>>292147490Pedophilia is good. Rape is good. Rape is powerful.
>>292147490>The most dramatic example being inAI jeetslop lmao
>>292143405Finally, this old retard said something reasonable.But is it actually true? Are all anime industry workers just otaku with no cultural interests beyond anime?
>>292147490Oh you're one of those americans that thinks american politics represent everywhere else. That explains a lot of things. Your country's politics are actually really weird and bizarre for other westerners.>muh jews did something goodDoesn't change anything really>protest grouplol
>>292147538>peopleYou consider philistines people?
>>292147600>non-American on 4chanlol
>>292147582>Finally, this old retard said something reasonable.>But is it actually true?
>>292144840Tomino says the same thing. And in fact it's because Miyazaki told him so. Tomino looks up to Miyazaki.https://www.oricon.co.jp/special/50344/
>>292147615You sound prejudiced, not very antifascist of you
>>292147610I mean hard-working, God-fearing salt of the earth types. All good people, the best people we ever had
>>292147616Exactly. Usually his ramblings about the state of the anime industry are so blatantly stupid that there isn't even any reason to examine whether there's any truth to his claims.
>>292147650And fascinatingly stupid, to boot. Well, if you have a soft spot for them then that's your business
>>292147490>the democrat partyreally exposed yourself there
>>292147816Is it a bot or something? I feel very retarded for arguing with that now
>>292147538Only degenerate parasites looking to scapegoat others and cope with being intellectually inferior have ever talked shit about liberal arts degrees. >>292147650Those people have never talked down on college, this is a myth invented by urban parasites to feel better about their own degenerate status. Generations of hard working laborers have saved to send their children to college knowing it's the greatest escape from poverty available. The US military's greatest recruiting strategy is dangling free college in front of the children of the working class.
>>292147852>urban parasitesYou're not going to believe where most of these hard working laborers live anon
>>292147892It's probably a bot or an idiot generating posts with ai
Currently reading the brothers karamazov and the sexual tension between ivan and aliosha is insane. Just a little bit and you can get a fujobait adaptation
>>292147892Sorry sorry, the trailer park and Appalachian shack parasites probably also repeat this sort of myth, if they've ever heard that colleges exist in the first place.
>>292147956They are unironically just very good friends.
>>292147538Yes, education in art is important for artists. Just how dumb are you.
>>292148008What's wrong with anime artists studying anime then
>>292143405This is true for pretty much all forms of entertainment today. Everyone is pigeonholed into very tight media echo chambers thanks to The Algorithm™ including everyone working in entertainment. This isn't a new problem by any means but the way society currently approaches entertainment makes the problem especially bad.
>>292148102Says a lot about our society.
>>292148080As mentioned in the OP, the problem is the breadth of influencesIf anime artists did not study anime at some point they could not make anime
>>292147956Read Dostoevsky's incomplete novel Netochka Nezvanova.It reads a LOT like what you'd find in yuri once she moves into the prince's house and starts interacting with his daughter Katya.
>>292143405anyone who says otherwise is a retard.
Source?
>>292147956>>292148251Russians love yuri so much that they name their sons after it.
>old novelsWhy are pseuds always obsessed with this in particular? It's certainly not the only part classical works but they only talk about if for some reason.
>>292148283Finally someone said it. Why is there even a discussion, mods just need to ban retards
>>292148283I don't think you need to learn to read french and russian to make good animations.
>>292145098>Kihachi OkamotoCriminally underrated director.
>>292148583no but you need ideas to draw from like a house needs wood from the forest to be built
>>292148474Board policy is not to delete template spam threads as long as there's only one of each type up, except for a few types that might actually get deleted because of how much they've been spammed previously. Sometimes with the iphone posted ones you can see the "img_XX" tick up sequentially as he makes OPs. Mods will even delete a few of those threads but leave some of the same poster's other spam threads up. It's all totally incoherent moderation because enforcing real rules would mean exterminating the weird shitpost cults and lone schizos whose spam makes up like 80% of board activity.
>>292148681>you need ideas to draw fromumm source??
>>292148681You can make houses out of concrete and steel and plaster.
>>292148583lmao, this dumbass can't even read french or russian, everyone point and laugh
>>292148681So he didn't actually read any of the novels? Why does he, or this translation, make it look like he claims to?
>>292143657It's a problem for any art. Art if made out of life experiences, not out of art, so art about art is inherently incestuous and this precise degeneracy can be witness nowadays in remakes. That is way remakes feel bad. Music shows examples when a group makes music "in the style of" instead of composing from feelings they had while living their lives. The only way to transform intake of art into new art is to perform an alchemy of feelings, killing the author, planting his messages inside the mind and let them grow into completely different meanings. Watching anime or reading books can be a life but death is required for rebirth.
>>292148681How about drawing from your own experience rather than someone else's digested thoughts
>>292148764>Art if made out of life experiences, not out of artSo artist don't actually need to study French literature and Dostoyevsky?
>>292148251Dostoevsky had problems while publishing Netochka Nezvanova and had to make concessions to the censorship. I think he was a proto-yurifag. Artists tend to be degenerates. Charles Dickens was the first moefag and The Little Mermaid was really about Hans Christian Andersen's gay angst
>>292148772From reading other things you get ideas of ways you can express things, do things in different ways. But unless you speak in irrelevant dialect your own language should have a suitable canon to learn from. acting like you need to study french is rather ridiculous. Might as well go with latin as well.
>>292148702Dostoyevsky wrote about this
>>292148795Nobody claimed they do.
>>292148772what experiences do shut in teenagers who just watch anime have that makes you want to waste your precious time on earth watching it?
>>292148895A lot of great art was made by miserable people you'd call losers, very retarded post
>>292148795NTA but it's about balance. The classics must be studied and preserved but not the point of fetichism
>>292148920This isn't about the classics
>>292148920That's definitely what the op says. it's just>muhhh old books muhhh french
>>292148915before they can even drink? kys retard, your never gonna make great art in your basement
>>292143405But he’s been saying that since the 80s, and by "modern anime" he’s referring to mecha, toku, and kaiju.
>>292148983Why are you so hateful and angry?
>>292148963They're among the best things humanity made.
>>292149020Have you read them?
>>292148963No it's not. Get basic reading comprehension and come back again.
>>292149054>reading comprehensionmidwit phrase
>>292148993The 80s is full of mechaslop, so he wasn't wrong even then
>>292148807>Charles Dickens was the first moefagNo way, that started after the Bronze Age when it became vogue to put statues of maidens everywhere and later Greek thought would essentially derive from the belief that the bloom of youth at puberty was the closest state to divinity and thus to be revered (or stolen through ritual pedophilia). They even used a lot of similar language about burning feelings for the attraction to divine teenagers.
>>292143405I lost the respect I had for Miyazaki after actually reading Nausicaa and finding it was 90% just jerking off his waifu and shallowly moaning about the wickedness of man.
>>292149146>wicked man triggered by being called out by the masterYou love to see it
>>292149020I favor manga you see my upbringing taught me great disdain of anything fit for schools.Shouldn't have tried to grade me. Now i'm education's worst nightmare.
>>292146420All of his works are bottom of the barrel bait though, there really isn't anything deep in any of his movies, the animation is good and his art style is appealing to normies but that could be said for thousands of other works in the anime industry.
>>292149124So, according to you, Gundam and Gunbuster are just mechaslop or anything else influenced by Tezuka, which, incidentally, is something Miyazaki hated.
>>292149226>normies
>>292149230I said it was full of mechaslop, not that it was all mechaslop.Just filter the 80s for mecha and take a look into all the (deservedly) forgotten shows.
>>292149230Miyazaki didn't hate Tezuka. At least, his feelings toward him can't be reduced to something so simple as "hate".
All the midwits itt have no response >>292148435 it seems.The only talk about old novels because that's the only thing the other midwits they imitate do.
>>292149230But did Tezuka study French literature
>>292149364Midwits talk about poems such as Odyssey, Illyad, Divine Comedy and Paradise Lost all the time tho
>>292149323And if he didn't hate him, why did he insult his work shortly after he had passed away?
>>292143405Truth nuke thread?Truth nuke thread.
>>292149382Anymore than that though?There are so many other forms of expression they never even mention
>>292148764I don't think it matters as much as people think. There's virtue to broadening your horizons, but it's not the difference between someone who puts their soul on the canvas and someone who makes derivative commercial junk. That comes from somewhere deeper than what media you've consumed.
I mean, he's not really wrong, just a boomer faggot Expanding your views lets you think about things from different perspectives. Nowadays, the people making anime/LN/manga are just taking what they read/watched and tweaking it a little bit. Which ends up being a factory of derivative slop. At the same time, a lot of people of his time most likely did the same fucking thing, so he's just going "younger generation bad." Also consider the fact that most consumers do not like it when things are weird or different so people copy what works because that's what sells.
>>292149428>Also consider the fact that most consumers do not like it when things are weird or different so people copy what works because that's what sells.There definitely used to be a lore more space for experimental stuff though. Now ABe and Konaka can't even get Despera off the ground.
>>292149507*a lot
>>292149507>Desperahaven't heard of this one, what's experimental about it
You need to study french literature if you want to understand japanese cartoons
>>292149389The problem with you faggots is that you read <10% of the story on a tweet and assume you get the opinions of people with far more complex views than you. Guess it seems that way compared to people that read <5%. NTA
>>292143405>French literature, Impressionism, DostoyevskyAll cringe btw.
>>292149630As a japanese artist, surely classical chinese should be far more important. he'd be considered an absolute pleb by artists a hundred years before his time for not knowing that.
>>292149507Yeah, maybe I generalized it a bit and sounded like I was 'blaming consumers for being mindless drones', but my point was more so there being way too much shit to consume. Not to mention older stuff being competition for the newer stuff as well. A recent example is Umetsu's Virgin Punk. Came out recently and sorta just vanished from people's consciousness.
>>292149599Reading Zola definitely helped me understand the deeper meanings behind cute girls doing cute things
>>292149608This. Also, he had a fuckload of drawings from his younger years which he had to burn because the influence of Tezuka's style was too strong. The guy you're replying to seems to have never felt more than one emotion at any given time in his life.
>>292149655Japan in the 1800s and Japan in the 1900s are two very different places, anon.
>>292149698Of course. Old good new bad.
>>292149698What point are you trying to make?
>>292149170No, it's a problem in presentation. The manga simply doesn't have that much to say for its length. Princess Mononoke follows a lot of similar themes to Nausicaa, but it's basically better in every way, in no small part because it's a movie and has to be tighter by necessity.Nausicaa is like if Dune was written without any of the irony.
>>292149655He's right to study the Western canon, after Japan lost the war, he's just studying the cringe French parts.
>>292149762He can study whatever he wants, he's just a hypocrite for looking down on others when he would be judged a pleb by his own predecessors
>>292149724That the time in which Miyazaki was born and lived, where the prestige status of ancient Chinese culture had been supplanted by Western culture, is long gone and irrelevant to his considerations, fucking retard
>>292149789>He can study whatever he wants, he's just a hypocrite for looking down on othersYes, this is what i meant.>he would be judged a pleb by his own [Eastern] predecessorsNo. Because Japan has been trying to become Western since emperor Meiji, he should be judged by his Western predecessors.
>>292149847The prestige of classical chinese literature was not gone by then
>>292149855>he should be judged by western predecessors because japan lost a war onceretardhe's a hypocritejapan actually defeated russia in a war so he's still a hypocrite anyway, russia isn't part of the west in modern terms
>>292149655Who told you he doesn't/hasn't? Quote clearly says "as a young man" and by the way he's known to be pretty much more well-read than everyone in the industry. And yes that includes eastern books. Read about him and his interests if you care that much you stupid faggot.
>>292149894>Lost a war onceAnon... Japan has pretty much integrated into the West.Dammit, i don't have "owari da" saved.
>>292149967>he's known to be pretty much more well-read than everyone in the industry. You and every other moron ITT are confusing him for Isao Takahata. Even Oshii is more well-read than Miyazaki.
>>292150025Him and Takahata are above everyone else, retard. You don't know shit.
>>292150040Go ahead, substantiate the claim that he read even a tenth as much as Takahata ever did.
>>292150072Read the opinions of literally anyone who's interacted with him in the industry. Everyone gets humbled. Read what he has fucking written, he has talked about classical Japanese literature and history, for example (but not just) around the time of Mononoke-hime's production, debating other writers and thinkers. He's respected as an intellectual in Japan for a reason.You're clearly another retard wildly extrapolating from the very little you've researched or just come across about this man, with nothing to substantiate your idiocy. Just fuck off already and read up before commenting. There's tons of material on him from good sources.
>>292150292Amazing. Nothing to back up your claims but hot air.>He's respected as an intellectual in Japan for a reason.Who are you kidding?
>>292150292>He's respected as an intellectual in JapanIn Japan or in the industry?
>>292150352Read his interviews and those of major staff talking about him. You can start with one posted already: >>292147620Read his essay collections Starting Point and Turning Point and look for more.Watch the all the official Ghibli documentaries, there's a ton, not just about movie productions.You can start here if you're lazy https://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/interviews/>>292150412In Japan.
>>292143732I read his Wikipedia page a couple months back. Holy shit, he is even more insufferable and douchey than the media led me to believe. I'll give back the entirety of Ghibli if I can only have this Japnigger strewn up by his scrotum in the year 1946.
>>292143405The more I look at this guy, the more he looks like the asian Col. Sanders.
>>292143405Yeah extensive inbreeding is never good for any sort of medium. The more you experience the more inspiration you can draw from when creating art. It's an ice cold take but it needs to keep being said to remind people.
>>292151532Are you speaking from experience?
>>292143921he adapted the good murakami, that alone makes him stand out among otakus
Miyazaki is a military otaku lolicon who clearly wants to animate tanks driving over civilians with his child bride in the seat next to him but he feels guilty and has invented layers of cope as to why actually, he loves tanks and tomboys in more subtle, nuanced ways than everyone else.Tomino absolutely nailed him on this. He's just a dishonest guy.
>>292143405This is not exclusive to anime. This is a problem in every medium. It's part of the reason why modern culture is so flat: video games only draw on other video games, films only draw on other films, etc.
>>292152551This isn't true and it's weird how so many people keep repeating it. If you want to use video games as an example people shit all over anyone that wants to bring other influences into it (like from movies). Which makes sense because it often lessens the game aspect of it. And in terms of anime you can see how much people shit on the Chainsawman anime for daring to try and be less anime-like. Not that I think it's wrong to criticize things like that but it's a direct contrast to people seemingly wishing creators would bring from outside their medium.
>>292152551Which posts did you draw this on
>>292143405>>292143657>>292145227>>292147582>>292148283>>292151532And how exactly are the youth of Japan who spend their lives working in soul crushing conditions for shit wages 24/7 supposed to study anything more complicated than factory made garbage isekai harem fantasies?
>>292152551>>292152613I feel like something got missed between the thoughts in the OP, and you guys' replies.The idea being expressed was that other mediums were studied not for "ideas to steal/borrow", but to broaden their horizons, get them thinking in a wider box with a larger POV to create from. When he said "and then we went and created original anime," I seriously doubt he meant that to mean "and then we created our donutsteel shows but with a technique we got from X"The idea rather was that if all you know is other anime, that's the only perspective you have. It's similar to if the only thing you've ever read/watched is isekai, that's what you think anime is. Anime is all that. And then you watch vampire princess miyu one day, or something similarly out of pocket, and it's like holy shit I didn't really realize this world was a thing like this.
>>292152915It's a distinction without a difference. These people with movie backgrounds going into video games or anime have broader horizons but it doesn't make what they make automatically good like it seems to be portrayed. Mangaka like tkmiz display a pretty wide knowledge of literature but are dismissed by many with various insults. Like many things, only a small number of people that fit the desire are actually praised for it. Most others are dismissed as pretentious or not fitting into the box like they're supposed to (like CSM's director was criticized for).
>>292152663that's defeatist loser attitude. go to a fucking library, otaku slime
>>292149048Yes
>>292149398source with audio?
>>292153160It's from the documentary The Kingdom of Dream and Madness
>>292152479Tomino has literally said Miyazaki proved he's above otaku. Get up to date, retard.https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-02-25/yoshiyuki-tomino-shares-his-appreciation-for-the-wind-rises/.85310>Tomino: The first time I saw The Wind Rises, I understood that he wasn't just a mecha otaku. He's made his stance on modern productions clear in some places, but here he's trying to take back the Zero from the military otaku.
>>292153432>Get up to date, retard.old good new bad
>>292153450Tomino and Miyazaki are basically the oldest still around...
>>292143405Sometimes i feel like hi opinions are exaggarated by /a/ and he is actually just a chill guy who will make you tea and talk about planes with you if you visit him
>>292153499I mean he's the guy that buried his own son for making shitty film.
>>292152479You ever realize just how strange the Japanese are?
>>292152479Miyazaki having common sense and having restraint is one of his better qualities as an artist. Too many just go full-hedonism without any discipline and that's partly what lead to the current predicament that anime has today.
>>292153556No that's nonsense, he was the only one to say the realistic thing that it was crazy to make a random artist a first time director because you liked his drawings. He was the only fair critic on any side of it because he knew from the start what the result would be in making a mistake so fundamental to the process. This whole thing is just drama slop that gets circulated online for gossip addicts.
It's not confined to anime. All entertainment media is the same. The people making movies & television today have never read or watched anything except for shitty Marvel comic books, and it shows in how puerile the products are. These "people" have never gone fishing outdoors, they've never read The Great Gatsby, they've never hired a whore in Vegas and run a train on her with three guys you just met at the Blackjack table. Kids these days, they've never done anything real.
>>292153742They've never walked into a business and given the manager a firm handshake to get a high paying job either.
There are also lack of praise and exposure when it comes to the great anime of today because the premise is too alien for "modern" audience.
>>292153432Tomino has since become a doddering old man. He lost everything when his virility faded and now he rambles, which is why Turn A was razor sharp in its purpose and g-reco is complete nonsense.It's still true and also has nothing to say about him obviously being an embarrassed lolicon.>>292153650If he had restraint he wouldn't make all his works so blatantly self-indulgent, with cool older men that young girls love and aircraft and tanks flying around, coated with an overly sweet shell of niceness.Oshii pointing out that porco is blatantly miyazaki self-inserting, smirking at the camera and flying cool planes and being adored by women young and old, was basically the second plane hitting miyazaki's legacy among his peers.
>>292153742>The people making movies & television today have never read or watched anything except for shitty Marvel comic books, and it showsThis is demonstrably false because the Marvel live action stuff looked completely different from the comics and then basically forced a reverse translation of the MCU aesthetics into the comics brand. >>292153788>If he had restraint he wouldn't make all his works so blatantly self-indulgent
>>292153788>g-reco is complete nonsense.just watch and pay attention retard.
>>292143405He's right, just look at Fujimoto, he's easily the most prominent newgen mangaka with multiple successful works instead of being an one hit wonder and that's just because he gets plenty of influence from movies instead of only manga and anime.
>>292153788Tomino has respected and praised Miyazaki since long before becoming an old man, shitposter.
>>292143405He's right and it's affected every single medium.
>>292143405This is true of nearly every artform of the last 20 years. Music, film, animation, vidya. Some of the best cartoons were made by men who studied at a university, survived a great war, then came home and said "fuck this, I'm drawing funny dog". Now animators with talent watch cartoons all day and cry before starting a youtube channel about "how Powerpuff Girls started a revolution"
>>292143405That's why isekai garbage is constantly being churned out.
