Pure, unadulterated, distilled KINO.Actual tears in my eyes. Goosebumps all over my body.Greatest villain of all time. Change my mind.Protip: You can’t.
>>292153489>Change my mindYou need to post a villain first.
>>292153609Trvth Nvke
>>292153489free my nigga squealer, he didn't do nothing
>>292153489He deserved to suffer.
>>292153672>freeAnon... T_T
>>292153682No u
>>292153489>villain
>>292153489I never watched this but I can't take this ugly rat saying we are humans seriously
>>292154440Shut up, fag. Go watch it.It's kind of a major spoiler, though. So sorry about that.
>>292154440Except he was right. There ARE humans.
>>292154511Not really I guessed it by the third episode.
>>292154535That's not what I mean. Their world, their history and their defeat are what give weight to his words when he finally says them.
>>292154561Sure >>292154440 would probably feel differently if he had watched the show. But it's not a MAJOR spoiler.
>>292154523He was biologically wrong.
>>292154713Cope.
>>292153489when he is pubicly humiliated the KINO intensifies even
>>292153489Squealer is a LVDOKINO character but the rest of Shinseki Yori doesnt quite live up to him unfortunately
>>292155556Shinsekai Yori as a whole is kino as fuck. The fuck do you mean?Squealer wouldn't shine like this without the fantastic setup and worldbuilding.Not to mention its iconic ending songs.
>>292155521Kill yourself
>>292153489Why didn't he try the diplomatic approach?
>>292155846kek. Anon got jokes.
>>292153489I feel that the ranger guy who escorted Saki is an underrated character. What a guy. He was really brave and strong for a minor character, and IIRC he even got a mutual kill with the giant centipede that took him out. I hope Saki gave him pussy at some point before he sacrificed himself.
>>292153489Early 2010s midwit trash. Just like Tatami Galaxy.
>>292156131Everyone in Kamisu 66 fucked each other, anon.
>>292156144You're the midwit.
>>292156147Based
>>292153489BGM threadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuFdVEtAwjs&list=RDAuFdVEtAwjs
>>292153489This man is your FRIEND, he fights for FREEDOM.
>>292156341It's crazy how everything was undone because of a dirty uncle tom house rat
>>292156220Pristine KINO. Everything from the visuals to the song to the feels.The second ending here too (sorry for the low quality). They legit make me tear up a bit every time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jk9kO3nE68
>>292153489This is unironically one, if maybe the only Anime that I can confidently say it has an amazing story and I can 100% be proud of to the level of having read an actual literature book (Well duh it's adapted from a novel but you know what I mean).The random animals with forbidden library is a bit silly, but otherwise very S+ liquid kino tier
>>292156341In this house we stand in remembrance of Nat Squealer's Rebellion.
>Squealer did nothing wrongWrong, he did one thing wrong and that was lose.
>>292156389that's a lot of words to say that you liked the male homosex but are embarrassed to say, so you put forward this too deep for you nonsense
>>292153489It's a shame we don't have anyone reacting to this kino so I can self-insert as them and re-experience this masterpiece all over again.Those retard faggots are only interested in SLOP!
One of the best moments of the story for me is the supposedly all powerful 4eye GOD getting wrecked in half like another meatbag, demonstrating how utterly powerless everyone was. It was great.>>292156389Another thing of the story which I didn't like or it felt a bit like bullshit was that the "poison" or "weapon" was stored somewhere super far away and was STILL there. It was a bit bs. I also didn't like that Saki didn't use it and wasted it all away, but then makes Kiroumaru sacrifice himself. That was a bit selfish and out of character for Saki, so in my opinion it would have been better if the weapon was never there and they had to resort to that sacrifice ultimately, it would have been more logical to me.
>>292156448I'm not a poltard so I don't mind these things. Actually, a complete super open sexuality like that makes a lot of sense in the future.
>>292153489The hideous animation and the retarded characters and plot made this shit unwatchable. I have to admit, the OST and ending songs were great though.
>>292156448Yes, we loved the male homosex. Yes, we loved the incest. Yes, we loved the shota and twink sex. Yes, we loved the worldbuilding. Yes, we loved the payoff of the entire worldbuilding. Yes, we loved the ingenious tactics. Yes, we loved the music and the songs. Yes, we loved the underdog story framed as horror. Yes, we loved Squealer.We love everything about this show.
>>292156503How are the characters retarded?
>>292156493God Man jobbed to THIS?
>>292156493The subtitles in that pic don't go far enough. It's not just that Shisei can't kill other "humans". He can't even harm them in the slightest.
kino
>>292156529It has been years since I watched this so I don't remember the rules anymore, but why didn't one human sacrifice himself to kill her? Or use bows, or a pit trap to kill her?
>>292153489>villainhero
>>292156549"Humans" (psyche humans or whatever) can't hurt other "Humans" (psyche humans).I think even the thought of harming another one is bad, let alone doing something about it
>>292156549>why didn't one human sacrifice himself to kill her?No balls, even if they tried to force themselves to grow some. Weak society set in its ways, too conditioned to avoid the very possibility of doing this so couldn't muster the courage. Not even the invincible god.>Or use bows, or a pit trap to kill her?Absolutely thorough Queerat commando support. They always combined arms. It's not all on the Messiah, the way Squealer's Queerats fought shouldn't be underestimated.
>>292156549>>292156657Adding to this, Queerat support is also almost certainly the reason the cats couldn't finish the job. Remember, the cats were the designated solution for getting rid of errant Cantus users. Probably a combo of lower cat stockpile because of dealing with Shun earlier, Messiah being unusually strong even for a fiend due to Maria's Stacy Psychic genetics and Queerats backing up Messiah.
>>292156635>I think even the thought of harming another one is bad, let alone doing something about itYes. That’s why Saki and the gang start hyperventilating when the False Minoshiro narrates the atrocities committed by PK users in the past.I initially thought they were just being drama queens when I first watched it, but everything started making sense later.
>>292156531The way he emotes here it's like he genuinely lost someone he loves and cares for like a daughter, not just the loss of a weapon or a war. It's very humanizing, pun intended and makes me feel like Squealer really is a hero worthy of respect.
>>292156711That reminds me I just watched this show Dexter Resurrection and some background extra was supposed to react to being shown a snuff clip on her phone. She freaked out like her scalp was being torn off, like what the fuck? It's a video on a screen of someone you don't even know. What kind of reality do these people live in? I've been creeped out by accidentally seeing gore videos before but I don't hyperventilate and start screaming like someone ripped my dick off. People are weird, man.
>>292156754>The way he emotes here it's like he genuinely lost someone he loves and cares for like a daughter,He didn't
>>292156800What makes you say that?
>>292156521It's been a while since I watched it. But the group of main characters were some of the most one dimensional people I have ever seen in anime. We have the whiny faggot, the fags, the girl, the fact I dont even remember the names or other character details says enough about the anime. Even then, they flip flopped with their personalities and actions troughout the whole show; the character development felt so inorganic Maybe the novel is different but the anime was truly bad.
>>292156792>She freaked out like her scalp was being torn off, like what the fuck?That's... a pretty normal reaction, anon. I got a mild fever and heart palpitations after accidentally stumbling upon a really disgusting Haitian gore video on /pol/ where they'd dismembered and castrated multiple people, ripped open their ribcages, turned them inside out and made them look like lotuses (fuck, I despise that board).Not a single comment in those threads offering sympathy or expressing shock, either. Everyone was just making some retarded "joke" or commenting on how the n-words are supposedly disgusting.People who post such videos should be hunted down like dogs and killed.
>>292153489characteristic jap depression slop.>what if there was some kind of change (basically a metaphor for tech progress) that makes it much easier for people to cause harm, making stable cooperation much more crucial?>we could try brainwashing, genetic engineering, and just overall turn what's left of society into totalitarian hellscape to cope. >would that actually work?>no, lol>curtains
>>292156869>People who post such videos should be hunted down like dogs and killed.And the people who actually commited the crimes and filmed it should not be killed ? Only dumb /pol/tards who sit in their room all day and post edgy shit should be killed ?
>>292156869I mean sure, but how can you have a jumpy loud reaction to something on a phone screen? I can't imagine it.
>>292156918Both. Both is good.
>>292156869Why should posting a video on the intetnet be punishable by death
>>292156869normal people don't react on 4chan so you're always going to get the weirdoes
>>292156921I can imagine women doing that, but what Saki's gang does goes beyond that.They start hyperventilating over mere narration.That's Death Feedback at work.
>>292156997I wish I could start over and go for med school...
>>292156946I was being hyperbolic, but they should at least be thrown in prison.This is way worse than child porn could ever be and the fact that it's not even illegal in most countries says a lot about the rotten state of our world.
>>292157024Just move to the UK if you hate freedom so much.
>>292157030Would you be okay if that were done to your dad, mom or child and some sick weirdos got hold of the footage and started sharing it, with disgusting jokes and slurs about their horrifically defiled corpses flooding in?how can we have such out of touch people in a Shinsekai Yori thread?
>>292153489Why did they betray him as a chud and the traitor simp as a chad? Its not fair...
>What if people developed powers?>What if majority of them turn out to be schizoid rapists?>What if humanity reacts in the worst way possible?Not nuanced enough to be kino.
>>292157213I think it's the anime's fault. I'm not sure if that's how the novel described their appearances.
>>292157213It makes sense. Squealer was actually downtrodden. The house rat had everything he wanted under Cantus society. Even then, house rat still looked like a bitch because he admitted in the tunnels that he did want to rebel at one point, he just didn't have the brains or the courage.
>>292157243I think that's how most people would behave if they had the ability to literally change the weather or vaporize people with a mere thought, anon.
>>292157213I'm not following you here, who are you referring to? Kiromaru?
>>292153489Squealer was the best part about the show by a mile, but the rest of the show was so dogshit.
>>292157295Why do lots of people get filtered by this show, is it just because it's slowburn?Squaler is great because the show makes it great, that's the entire point
>>292157295>the rest of the show was so dogshitNo uSquealer works because of the meticulous setup and world building of the rest of the show.The Flames of Apocalypse arc is the payoff.
The bakeneko shit and child killing AND memory maniuplation hypnosis stretches the setting too farNo way death feedback shouldn't also apply
>>292157314not that anon but it's not because of slowburn, it's because there is a huge stretch of episodes after the false minoshiro scene where barely anything fucking important happens while also having the worst animation in the show.slowburn is fine, Texhnolyze is probably my favorite show and stuff like Aria is no problem either
>>292157314My main beef was that the main characters are supposed to be pursuing some form of justice and good in the world, but after having been confronted with reality through Squealer and how their own people are the perpetrators of the greatest injustices in history, the MC ends up joining them anyway and perpetuating their atrocities upon her own kind and disappearing children at the drop of a hat.
>>292157448That's because there's literally no alternative. It's not just atrocities for the hell of it, they've built the only society that can allow psykers to survive. Reminder that their society is based on work of countless scientists who theory crafted every aspect of it.
>>292153489I'm grateful this board made me watch this anime but the way it did it, aka like OP's faggot ass did, aka spoiling the ending, made it way less impactful. So fuck you
>>292153489I mean, watching it in a single sitting might make it more digestible.I honestly forgot about the whole plot, especially after the time skip but I do remember were shitting on it on weekly basis when its aired.
>>292157448But that wasn't the ending though?Like, I clearly remembering Saki reforming everything or at least trying to take other alternatives to the problems, including not using the killer cats or so, and speaking about building a better future including the slaving colonies (or whatever). I don't remember as well, but it's not like she took the role as the prior people
>>292157346Every single moment is important.>the rat war shows what one kid with cantus can do to an army -> you understand the rats' fear of humans and what having a human weapon would mean for squealer>the gay episode shows society using intimacy to keep people peaceful -> but those attachments also give the kids a reason to defy society when obedience means abandoning someone they love>shun's fate demonstrates how anomalies work -> tomiko makes the adults' fear understandable -> then mamoru gets targeted and you see what their precautions actually cost>maria gives up her life with saki to protect him -> saki can't bring herself to abandon them either -> they trust squealer to help fake their deaths -> he gets both the parents of his weapon and a cover story>the village's attempts to prevent a catastrophe create the conditions for it, and the kids' attempts to protect each other get exploited to finish the jobThere's no wasted episode here.
>>292157448>>292157516Pretty much. Ending is both vaguely optimistic and ultimately rather bleak. It's not exactly 1984 esque, but it also leaves it largely clear that not much is going to change and humanity is probably fucked.
>>292157598They still use the Tainted Cats. You literally see Saki and Satoru with a litter of Tainted Cats in the end. They literally can't function without them.Their society would be nuked by a bunch of anomalous Fiends and Karma Demons without them.
>>292157561I've already preemptively apologized >>292154511.
>>292157295Exactly this. Every time someone makes a thread about this show, 90% of it will always be about Squealer. It's like everyone else in this show is not worth talking.
>>292157608>vaguely optimisticthere's nothing optimistic about itjapanese "surely if we follow the rules real hard then maybe someday society will spontaneously improve out of nowhere" cope is not optimism
>>292153489>villain Fuck off!You can bitch and moan about his methods but he was fighting against god-like beings while rest of his race licked their boots.
>>292153489>villainYou just watched a show about villains justifying themselves.He was the hero of the story.
>>292157681I mean, thats because Squaler betrayal is the main point of the series and the most meme aspect. I also think the slowburn aspect of the story doesn't leave a lot to speculation. I think it's just a great story well told.But there was still plenty of discussion in the past, it's just an old series at this point though
>>292157665Yes, I know, but it seems they are portrayed differently instead of being used as killing machines. Still I don't remember well but I think Saki wanted to change things for the better, humanely possible within the biological restriction
>>292157295idk the stories from the old world were pretty good
>>292153609>>292154426>>292156588>>292157799>>292157846Ok, ok.Maybe I should've used the word "antagonist" rather than "villain". I didn't know that the definition of "villain" included evil/malice/wickedness as a personality trait.I just thought it referred to the main opposing force to the main character.
>>292157956See this >>292157927
>>292157911Advances in their technology are the only way forward to make things more humane.They've already tried everything they could with the technology they had available.
>>292156448Everyone focuses on the male homosex and ignores how the kids were upset to learn the homosex was an artificially conditioned response.
>>292153489The story is kinda dumb, humans shaped their entire society to keep their psychic powers in check and even then we're shown those check and balances fail regularly and each time they're close to being wiped out yet they never consider using their powers to remove psychic powers from humans when we're also shown they're able to modify life, including humans, at will
>>292154440Literally me. I've seen the "I am human just like you" trope done really well (pic related) and seen it done awfully more times than I can count too. Also /a/ tends to overhype some of the most unimpressive shows so I tend to take opinions here with serious doubts on shows I have never seen.
>>292153489My Hero
I liked the premise enough to read the translated novel and IMO it's really good because there's additional worldbuilding, and I like the horror angle of the story, how the psych powers are this reality shattering force that gives randos the ability to murder millions and causes world-altering mutations by simple unconscious leakage. In comparison I didn't care as much about the rat rebellion as /a/ does.
>>292158460>It's kinda dumb because it's not what I made up
>>292158586Things like the first person narration in the novel are too blunt for my taste. Only really good for, back in the day, pointing out how retarded the average interpretation of the show the average anon had.
I still fap to the lesbian sex scenes in the manga adaptation
>>292158975Post them
I wonder how many people actually read the book
>>292159048I've downloaded the pdf and it's been on my to-read list for, like, 6 years now. But I'll definitely read it at some point.Maybe when we start a Shinsekai Yori rewatch on this board.
Shitsekai boring YAAAWN
>>292158900>Only really good for, back in the day, pointing out how retarded the average interpretation of the show the average anon had.How exactly? What did anons believe that gets invalidated by those parts of the novel?
>>292158999
>>292159531Fucking faggots omitted the gay male sex scenes in this manga. That's the reason it has such a low score.
>>292153489 I hate the ''return to normalcy'' ending but i liked overall. its does it great with ''they actually human'' twist since switch everything. the pretty and powerful ones arent humans and the monstrous creatures are actually the human ones. it does take away the weight of violent revolution but that is the only thing that i disliked about it
>>292157799>but he was fighting against god-like beings while rest of his race licked their boots.....he literally killed his own kind and made any semblance of coexistence impossible.
>>292156819His reaction was to his ambition being gone not because of the child, he only saw it as a weapon and nothing more
>>292159823Not true. His plan initially included future Messiahs remember. There was no logical reason to stop fighting even at that point. It was an emotional loss, at losing his daughter. The Queerat term for her, Messiah or Savior, in itself shows how much he and the Queerats revere her. They don't call her Fiend or Ogre. They also back her up in fights, again this is something that most people fail to realize. They don't use her as cannon fodder. She has an escort at pretty much all times and the Queerats get a lot of Cantus kills on their own.
>>292159781No, that's Kiroumaru. And genuine coexistence was never possible. Bruh, the Queerats were forced to war with each other and if that failed they'd be manually depopulated anyway. Kiroumaru killed more of his fellow Queerats than Squealer ever did by the way. It's even more pathetic and hypocritical when you consider that Kiroumaru even admitted he wanted to rebel, he was just too chickenshit to go through with it.
Death to all fagrats.
>>292160750Queerats are the actual humans by the way, twisted by Cantus freaks. This is like all the white "men" calling for the extermination of white men. Sad.
>>292157927>Maybe I should've used the word "antagonist" rather than "villain"No you shouldn't, he is a villain.
>uhh you can't kill humans because muh mental restraintnow what genius
>>292157448>>292157608>SSY>Althusser, Ideology, and Ideological State Apparatuses: The Animepick 2The whole point is the way various institutions work together to reproduce existing social-material (specifically, capitalist) relations.Saki is picked as the next leader not because of any particular talent but because of her stability index, i.e., her ability to continue embracing the existing system as "necessary" despite seeing its many flaws first hand (contra Maria).That's why her power is to remake the vase. She can't create anything new, she can only "fix" a system that keeps breaking over and over.
>>292159694I mean, all in all, it was a failed revolution after all.>>292159823I agree with this, he didn't care about her. He killed her parents and conviced her she was a fucking rat. That scene with her on the floor is he looking at his only triumph card completely and utterly gone and the absolute hell that awaits him
>>292162117>I agree with this, he didn't care about her.I disagree. It takes serious cynicism and crippling autism even more severe than my own to interpret his expression and body language so uncharitably.>He killed her parents and conviced her she was a fucking rat.He raised her himself and he values rats. He is a rat. The only rats he didn't value are the tyrannical queens and genuine race traitors.>That scene with her on the floor is he looking at his only triumph card completely and utterly gone and the absolute hell that awaits himYet he went on to defiantly mock the council and reveal the truth of Queerats being humans.
>>292156529I want to have sex with this
>>292162852I'm not squealer btw
>>292162237My god anon, it was part of his plan. He killed her parents, he wanted to take over the world with her that's why he also goes and tries to kidnap more psyche human children after attacking the village. He did not give a single fuck, there's also a sequence in the story where they talk about this I don't quite remember but it was at the beginning when Squeal won over another colony and they kidnapped babies as well, or something to that regard.>defiantly mock the council and reveal the truth of Queerats being humansSo? What else can he do but show defiance until the end. He lost and was gonna be put through hell for failing his rebellion.Anon, the moment all psyche-humans were dead Squeal was gonna kill the "psyche rats" himself. There is no universe where he would allow a single one to live, since a single one that rebels can kill their entire race
>>292153489I don't recall him doing anything wrong other than losing and trusting a traitor human bootlicker.
>>292154440>t. human tribunal
>>292159414Past tense. Most people who still care have figured it out.
>>292163307Bruh, that's exactly why I said him giving up when he did was an emotional response, not a logical one. Because he just lost his daughter. The facts you being up only support my position more, not yours. The psychic baby plan was still possible and proven effective. They were insanely lucky to take out one. Squealer was broken from losing his daughter, not losing a war that he could've kept going. There is absolutely zero indication he would've had the Messiahs killed after the war. Recall the scene with a captured Queerat, the way they talk about Squealer and Messiah, and not just that but how they've observed Squealer with the Messiah is telling. It's complete adoration. They never hurt her, they always supported her. Same for Squealer. You have no basis for your assertion that he only treated her as a weapon while there's ample evidence that it is not the case.
>>292157448status quo good
SSY is a slop novel ruined by badly thought out worldbuilding. Would've been 8.5/10 outright if death feedback didn't turn out to be genetic, creating a convenient excuse to keep Saki's hands clean through the end.It's insane specificity how death feedback can be genetic, but phantom "godlike scientists" that can make kids choose to be bisexual can't stop parents from smacking their kids around, or keep said kids from feeding into inferiority complexes that flip their evil switch which only get resolved by swift child murder. Like Nard's dad being the ninja village boss who saved everyone's lives (so why the fuck do they shun him?), it utterly ruins what could be a genuinely good story, despite the Forever War "heterosexuals become the real FAGS" ironycel writing.(reddit space)Doesn't surprise me that every thread I ever saw discussing this only talked about homolust and not the dystopia plot. At least the first ED is good (though heavily inspired by a Madonna single).
>>292154440They have arms and walk on two legs, by EDF standards that's as human as you get.edf
>>292163823>Bruh, that's exactly why I said him giving up when he did was an emotional response, not a logical one. Because he just lost his daughter.This is your retarded headcanon. Literally nothing supports that Squealer cared about him anymore than as a weapon because the show drives home that he was a sociapath that didn't even care about the safety of his own race considering that he genocided the camps that didn't agree with him.
>>292164783No need to get all aggressive about it. Don't call me a retard when you're just making shit up. I was as polite with you as I could possibly until you started acting like a fucking cunt over a minor disagreement you little bitch.>>292164783>Literally nothing supports that Squealer cared about him anymore than as a weaponHow about calling her the fucking Messiah, dumbass? It's reverence. Reverence that wouldn't be necessary because his men follow HIM, and he teaches the Messiah whatever he wants so he could call her Cannon Fodder or Little Idiot if he wanted to and it wouldn't make a goddamn difference. Instead he and all the Queerats love her and treat her well. They back her up in battle and are ecstatic when she's around. YOU have NO fucking basis for YOUR stupid fucking assertions, you fucking moron.>he was a sociapath that didn't even care about the safety of his own race considering that he genocided the camps that didn't agree with himYou are so incredibly stupid it's insane. Are you aware the Queerats were forced to fight each other? Even then he consolidated alliances under the Cantus noses and was only openly hostile to, guess what, the fucking traitor clan. You know, the ones who later ACTUALLY FUCKING DOOMED THE OTHER RATS? Do you even understand the way the queens worked? Use your fucking brain, dude. This entire war was for the safety and freedom of his entire race you brainlet speedwatcher.
>>292163823??? The hell are you talking about anon.They raised her like a rat (as equal) because it was needed for her to be the perfect weapon and only if she really believed that it was rat it could work (otherwise she can't kill humans). They groomed her by killing her parents and raising her to use her against her OWN kind. In what universe does this fit that they care about her?They treated her well because they needed to. She's a tool, do you understand that she could kill all of them if she rebeled and felt closer to humans than rats?Honestly nigga go rewatch the show im not arguing this nonsense anymore. Squeal hated them would't let a single psyche human alive
>>292165008The Messiah thing is part of the grooming and the fact that to them, she really is a divine miracle but for what she represents, which is being a tool to unironically wipe the entire race she actually belongs to and that they're being oppressed under.Look, what do you think would have happend after the fact? Squeal rebellion succeeds and all of the psyche humans are genocided, how do you think the story ends for "psyche-rats" later on?You know, the same "psyche rats" that aren't useful anymore, since humans are all dead and they can't kill other rat colonies, but what if they suddenly go oh and realize they're not just rats anymore? The risk of sending Squeal to stone age will always be there.So think about the future for these kidnapped babies in that scenario
>>292153489I remember actually beginning to lurk /a/ shortly after this anime aired and anyone posting this got similar replies. Is it good? Through posting osmosis I learned he's part of the villain race and they basically all get a pretty raw deal.
When will we get another modern classic like Shit Sekai Yaoi?
>>292162018>anon still wondering how his mom disappeared when they played peek-a-boo
>>292165370>he's part of the villain raceI mean they're all humans
>>292153489that was in large part due to the humans just being unlikable cunts in thisseriously, was there a single redeemable character?
>>292157213Yakomaru is the only traitor. Kiroumaru never betrayed anyone, he was on the same side until the end.
>>292164474It's about "genetics" as much as it is about conditioning. There was an entire arc dedicated to this. It's also why their village operates the way it does.I don't even know what you mean by "convenient", it's a core mechanic of the setting and every Cantus user is subject to it in one way or another. If you had the slightest bit of good faith towards the story (or maybe the IQ necessary, or even both), you'd see that Saki becomes part of the ethics committee by the end and that she does end up condoning everything that goes on. Is this keeping your hands clean? Just like she doesn't kill Maria's son directly, she isn't directly killing the culled children either.The story doesn't dwell on how the scientists engineered the human psyche, but they had limited time in a crisis situation. Modeling your developmental societal behavior after another animal is not the same as "solving human behavior altogether" which is what you're proposing. Not to mention messing with actual emotions (instead of genetic reflexes) is not only harder but trickier, because Fiends, Karma Demons and yadda yadda yadda>it's just like [thing that has nothing to do with it and doesn't mean anything]Riveting argumentation, I believe you should sprinkle in a few more buzzwords like "le" and "slop" into every other sentence to really drive the point home.
The title of the novel From the New World is derived from Antonin Dvořák’s Symphony No. 9, From the New World. The second movement of Dvořák’s Symphony is widely known in Japan through the song Going Home, also recognized by the lyrics "The sun has set behind the distant mountains."In story's location, Kamisu 66-cho, the melody of "Going Home" plays throughout the town every evening. While it serves as a signal for children to return home before nightfall, it also functions as a chilling, ominous warning. Being outside after sunset puts one at risk of encountering malevolent entitie, such as demon (akki), fiends (goma), or falling victim to the town’s own absurd rules, which could cost that person's life.The title From the New World carries the literal meaning of a "letter sent from the distorted new world that human have built, addressed to the people of the past."When Dvořák composed this symphony, he had left his homeland of Bohemia (in the modern-day Czech Republic) and traveled to the United States(the New World). This piece carries the nuance of "sending one's thoughts from the New World (America) back to one's homeland (Bohemia)."
How are the books?
>>292166026Kiromaru is a class traitor.
>>292164474>though heavily inspired by a Madonna singleWareta Ringo? Which Madonna song?
>>292164618Kek the queerats are the jews now? It's amazing how whatever you say about this story always ends up saying more about yourself than anything else. I've seen the exact opposite being argued countless times before.The villain dies and gets mercykilled after being tortured for God knows how long. On the other hand Texhnolyze has Yoshii mirroring a messiah (a savior who's prophesied to descent and bring salvation) only for him to be a massive retard who dies a dog's death. Then everyone dies when Kano's B-tier movie zombie horde attacks and nothing matters in the end. Is this BASED and REDPILLED favelabro?
>>292159113I'll read it this week if you read it this week.
The world of "New World Year Zero" is like the downfall version of "Academy City". The birds' drawing is not related to the Re:zero's birds seen by Subaru, sent by Pandora to the tower.Around 2011, scientific experiments verifying the existence of psychic powers (PK) proved successful globally, including in places like Azerbaijan—leading to the appearance of children with such abilities all over the world.Individuals with psychic powers established "EZs" (Extraterritorial Zones) across Tokyo. Areas such as Shibuya, Harajuku, Shinjuku, and Akihabara came under the control of these psychic youths, who took on titles like Demon King or Demon Prince.Individuals with psychic powers flaunt their abilities, attempting to maintain public order through the deterrent effect of fear. Meanwhile, adults and society at large, lacking such powers, along with the Self-Defense Forces’ specialized anti-telekinesis unit (CTK) and various researchers, find themselves scrambling to respond as the world descends into disorder.
>>292166900>shin sekai yori prequelWhat the hell is this?Is it good?
>>292159612>omitted the gay male sex scenesbased
>>292153489It was AOTY in BOTH years in which it aired. Shin Sekai Yori is so good I actually bought the BDs (the USA print, unfortunately... but I tried).I need a bad anime season to come along so I have time for a rewatch of this and Spice & Wolf and a few other great shows.
saw two fags kissing and noped the fuck out.never watching your woke nonsense, you lost tranny.
>>292167457Hahaha. Filtered literal retard.
I wont read this thread because Shinsekai Yori threads are full of retards and halfwits. I'll just post the customary "Squealer was right", remove the thread from my tracks and move on.
Well I won't read your post and move on too.
>>292166709Why is every Kiroumaru hater a third worlder commie?
>>292164618Fuck off, retard. I don't want your kind in my thread.
>>292166012>>292166927I don't want you fuckers in my thread either.Stop polluting my thread, fucking subhumans.Fuck off back to where you came from.Vermin just HAD to ruin my near-perfect thread.
>>292166636Thanks, anon. I wasn't aware of this. Very insightful.
>>292166647The novel’s great. The anime wouldn’t be this kino without the source material being kino as well.And the sex scenes are more explicit too, lol.
>>292165370>Is it good?It's KINO AS FUCK.
>>292172906/a/ isn't /pol/, anon.Stop shitting up this thread with retarded analogies.This is supposed to be a high IQ discussion thread worthy of Shinsekai Yori.
>>292172940>no argument Interesting.
>>292172987Even if we assume that all of /a/ insists trans women aren't women, they do so because trans women were "originally" men.That's why a lot of /a/nons insist that gender bender is gay even if the MC is completely female now with reproductive capabilities and everything.Similarly, the Queerats were "originally" humans, so they're still humans.
>>292158460because the scientists were niggers who wanted to rule over normal humans like gods
>>292159048it's the exact same shit, i have it open right now and have read it twice.
>>292162018you need to visualize things to use cantus and you can't trick your own mind unless you're retarded, so you couldn't just visualize knocking down a tree if you knew someone was likely there. also the moment you realized someone had died you would die
>>292153489>Greatest villain of all timeNah
>>292173099But how do the anthrax and Tainted Cats work? Don’t they require intent too?Those were the only parts that felt a bit weak to me.
>>292173099Just make cantus mortar team, the only thing you have to visualize is throwing a big ass rock in a parabolic line
>>292173231they ain't philosophical, so letting a tainted cat out to kill niggas is fine> 'Death feedback' operated on the following principles. When the mind recognizes that the user is attempting to harm another human,their PK subconsciously activates and stops the functions of the kidney or parathyroid. This results in symptoms such as discomfort, heart palpitations, and sweating, which can be intensified through education, conditioning, and hypnosis. At this stage, most people would stop attacking, but if they continued, tetanic asphyxia caused by low blood calcium, or cardiac arrest caused by a rapid spike in potassium concentration would kill them.>>292173258see, they're not that stupid
>>292173074>Similarly, the Queerats were "originally" humansTheir ancestors were, the current ones were never human and never will be.
>>292158460The psykers simply wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Even though they wanted to be safe from other people using cantus, they didn't want to give up their own reality bending powers. Well, turns out that a whole society of psykers is going to be shit one way or another. Cantus is only fun when you're the only person in the room who has it, so that you can fuck with baseline humans at your leisure while being untouchable.
>>292153489Good show but the QUALITY really hurt
>>292156754>>292156800The child acted very affectionately around queerats and genuinely got angry when they were harmed in front of her, not like a trained animal but rather as one of their own.
>>292173639Because that was part of her training. Squealer conditioned her to view the queerats as her own people to ensure that she won't be affected by Death Feedback once they rebel against the Cantus users. Squealer saw in her nothing more than an instrument to achieve his goal. He's not this surrogate father figure who mourns the death of his child that you want him to be.
>>292158460Giving up on psychic powers would be them admitting that the insane crimes against humanity and destruction of civilization have been all for absolutely nothing. They're doomed to live in this fucked up society frozen in time with no way forward or backwards.
>>292173888>"He didn't treat her well, he only treated her well as part of her training!"So... he treated her well?>"Just because he didn't abuse her because it would be bad for him doesn't mean he wouldn't abuse her if events were different such that he hypothetically would abuse her later!"So... he didn't abuse her? Your arguments are worthless. It's hilarious the way you accuse others of making unfounded assumptions when your very own assertions are entirely made up out of fucking nothing.
>>292174885>Misquotes to argue against meI accept your concession.
>>292173888>>292174885There is one scene in particular right after Akki kills Shisei where Saki witnesses one of the queerats petting Akki, which she accepts gratefully.They don't seem to treat her purely like a weapon the way those aquatic self-destruct queerats were treated, but instead as a proper member of their group.
>>292175594Well, my point is not to say the queerats collectively view her as a tool. I am well aware they genuinely see her as their Messiahs and one of them. Squealer himself just doesn't have the same sentimentality towards her (or any of his queerat comrades for that matter) and is solely focused on results to further his aims with no consideration for the losses suffered as long as his rebellion succeeds.
Niggas are called Queerrats lmao.
>>292175726Oh yeah, I agree with that.
>>292157275You have a bleak view of humanity. Not everyone is one superpower away from being a rapist, genocidal maniac.
>>292175974Stanford prison experiment. Now imagine giving them superpowers instead of unchecked authority.
>>292175974Unlike the other anon I don't think most people would automatically turn into maniacs if given incredible psychic powers, but the problem they were facing was that it's not necessary for most psychics to be maniacs. Just a few psychic psychopaths are bad enough. And even well adjusted people might have a bad day. Have you ever been angry at someone? So angry that it took all your restraint to not lunge at the person then and there? Now imagine you were angry, but you didn't even need to exert any physical effort to hurt the other person. If all that seperated you from turning other people into red paste was succumbing to a vicious thought with murderous intent for a short moment, then it probably wouldn't be long before you murdered someone, even if just by accident.
>>292176208The issue with SSN lore is that early cactus users were almost universally rapists and murderers(the terrorists, emperors and the bike gangs) slaughtering humans like cattle or amoral sociopaths like the scientists who created the current SSY society.
>>292176281Cantus users*
>>292176281>early cactus users were almost universally rapists and murderersOi, what's your damn problem?
>>292176281We don't reliably know how it all went down, but it's easy to see how the emergence of cantus might spiral into the destruction of normal society. Even if most awakening cantus users were well behaved initially, it only takes one black sheep to destroy all trust.>some low inhibition cantus criminal rapes and murders with impunity before being put down>now muggles have every reason to be fearful of all cantus users and would reasonably want to get rid of them preemptively>cantus users in turn have every reason to be suspicious of muggles and keep them all down preemptively>it all goes to shitWith that kind of power imbalance between the two groups, there doesn't seem any good way to ensure peaceful coexistence. Either the muggles eliminate cantus, or the cantus users neuter muggles as a threat. The latter is what happened.
>>292153489He has a human soul unlike those psychotic magic casting monsters wearing human skin.
I hope this thread hits the bump limit to prove that /a/ actually does have good taste.I like that a Shinsekai Yori thread has lasted this long. It hasn't happened in a very long time.
>>292177144This. Squealer never deliberately tortured anyone just for sadistic pleasure. He only did what was needed to free themselves.Even a single cantus user can wipe out their entire civilization, so they had to eliminate them all.
FUCK SQUEALA
>>292179087FUCK YOU
>>292153489Retarded zoomer's first time experiencing anime. Kill yourself
>>292179244Jaded old man gets angry at people for enjoying things. You are the one who needs to kill himself. Pronto.
>>292174908That's exactly what your stupid fucking posts are getting it, you disingenuous cunt.>>292175726>Well, my point is not to say the queerats collectively view her as a tool. I am well aware they genuinely see her as their Messiahs and one of them.Changing your tune now?>Squealer himself just doesn't have the same sentimentality towards her (or any of his queerat comrades for that matter)Based on fucking what?
>>292173481I remember the airing QUALITY was awful. But BDs supposedly fixed a lot, though I haven't watched them.
>>292165897>Implying cantus niggers are humans
>>292179733Keep proving you have zero reading comprehension, retard-kun. It's funny.
Is this still worth watching if I've already seen the twist?
>>292179873Yeah, if you pay attention and aren't a glue sniffer, you would have found out the queerats are NINGEN by episode 3 anyway.
>>292179866Stupid fucking faggot.>>292174885>>"He didn't treat her well, he only treated her well as part of her training!">So... he treated her well?>>292174908>>Misquotes to argue against me>>292173888>Because that was part of her training.MUH MISQUOTE! You retarded cocksucker.
>>292180047Good boy! You did it again. Such an obedient clown!
>>292180067Deflecting now since you can't even support any of your arguments? What the fuck kind of gay reddit shit are you on. You still haven't cited any basis for your stupid ass arguments by the way.
Remake when
Yeah, I loved Shinsekai Yori. Legitimately one of top anime ever. Wish they'd actually brought the damn novel to the west, I even e-mailed the fuckers.
i remember reading thisand i remember 2 things about it:that the rat was somehow the bad guy and got sentenced to eternal pain or somethingand that there was a lot of hot lesbian actionbut for the fuck of me i can't remember what the plot was actually about
>>292180091You just make shit up, twist my words like a schizo and then have a melty over it. I won't engage in a discussion with a bad faith double digit IQlet who has the reading comprehension of a kindergartener.
>>292156549This is what happens when you even think about hurting a human. Of course it's psychological first and then physical so if you can rationalize you might have a chance like the doctor but most don't, she'll turn you inside out first
>>292180091Why are you such a fucking moron?
>>292180134>I even e-mailed the fuckersI should do that too. If enough of us do it, surely they will listen.
>>292180250>If enough of us do it, surely they will listen.That's the thing, we were in fact all doing that back then. That said, I don't remember the specifics, but thinking about it now I guess they brought the translation to the US, but didn't make it available in the EU? Or didn't translate it at all, but just imported the novels as-is? Something like that. Either way.
>>292180195>You just make shit upYou made shit up with baseless, unfounded assertions about Squealer. You just spout total bullshit and act like a little bitch if someone disagrees with you, but god forbid you actually support your own dumb fucking arguments.
>>292180285I believe they didn't translate it at all. There is a fan translation you can find easily. Can't vouch it's a quality one though.
>>292180328Then it was probably a situation of the novel being imported to the US, but not the EU.Either way, much like the Yukikaze sequels, I really fucking wish there were translations.
>>292180314>no uHilarious.
>>292180415fuck off retard
>>292180467I'm pretty sure you are that anon.
>>292180499no, i'm >>292180134, >>292180285 and >>292180352you're a fucking moron and though i appreciate your bumping, you bring the thread down with your rampant idiocy so i wish for you to leave
>>292180622I'm not the one who derails the thread, you would know that if you actually read it.
Can you guys just stop spamming your nonsenseI really loved this show, it has a little flaws here and there but overall is just super good. I find insane the amount of people that filters somehow
Very good worldbuilding, atmosphere, music and characters. I can't believe A1 made this.
>>292181190Just imagine if a good studio picked it up.
>>292158461>shows I have never seen.Go watch the goddamn show.
>>292179873yeah its the best anime I ever seen
So, I can go to sleep now, right, bros? You’ll keep our thread alive, right?
>>292181205It wouldn't be as good in my opinion, but I'm curious how other studio would have handled it.
>>292183325Literally me.
>>292153489terminal levels of internet brainrot detected, best not to bother trying to talk to OP about anything
why is the manga so horny
>>292165200>Look, what do you think would have happend after the fact? Squeal rebellion succeeds and all of the psyche humans are genocided, how do you think the story ends for "psyche-rats" later on? You know, the same "psyche rats" that aren't useful anymore, since humans are all dead and they can't kill other rat colonies, but what if they suddenly go oh and realize they're not just rats anymore? The risk of sending Squeal to stone age will always be there. So think about the future for these kidnapped babies in that scenarioWeren't they planning to expand into Eurasia later? They can't know what is there after all the ways the Cantus users' powers have changed that, so having those kids around would be useful for any random kaijus or whatever, nevermind that there is zero information whether there are any human societies outside of Japan, so they would be crucial to dealing with that contingency, at least for the years and years that they would be expanding and solidifying their empire and establishing what threats to them are out there. Even tiny stone age tribes would be an apocalyptic threat to them if they included Cantus users, and it's unclear whether, if any humans are alive outside of Japan/Northeast Asia, they also have the death feedback and all of those mental restrictions on violence.
>>292157726>japanese "surely if we follow the rules real hard then maybe someday society will spontaneously improve out of nowhere" cope is not optimismYou can follow the rules and improve slowly. You sound like a nigger
>>292188112If it takes a generatio to improve 1% you're not doing a good job
>>292153489I dropped it halfway through because it was boring.
>>292153489>villainAnon. He was just a HUMAN. Fighting for his PEOPLE.
>>292166636Interesting
>>292166747>nothing matters in the endEverything mattered by the end. Thats the whole point.
The Queerats can still win by just waiting it out. It's a major plot point that the Cantus society is so self-destructively evil that it's going extinct all on its own.
>>292189670But the entire world will be an uninhabitable wasteland by then.
>>292153489>indomitable human spirit>actually indomitable>even with his form twisted and corrupted, his spirit remained pure and unstoppable>LAUGH ALL YOU WANT>NO EVIL GOES UNPUNISHED FOREVER>EVEN IF I DIE, ONE DAY ANOTHER WILL CARRY ON MY CAUSE>AND THAT DAY SHALL BE THE END OF YOUR TYRANNYI kneel Squealer.You were more human than any of those cat bastard psykersI know one day you will smile down from heaven as justice is done
>>292189995His final speech was epic. His defiance in the face of inevitable doom was something to behold.Squealer was such a chad.
>>292189711The story never really tells us what the state of the wider world is after the apocalypse happened. Even the Cantus civilization higher ups don't really know what's happening in the world outside the narrow slip of Japan the control. We know they use the ruins of Tokyo as a dumping ground for all their bad thoughts, but we don't know how widespread the corruption spreads. It might be the whole world, just a part of East Asia, or even limited just to Japan. And with how the Cantus civilization is rapidly reaching the point of complete population collapse, the amount of "bad vibes" they're sending out is only going to keep decreasing.
>>292189155It's one of those shows where the more you think about the setting the more fucked it gets. The actual plot is almost secondary to realizing every single "normal" thing in their society is built on like 5 layers of atrocity and cope. Squealer just forces them to look at it for five seconds and they immediately go back to pretending they're civilized.
>>292190577>just forces them to look at it for five seconds and they immediately go back to pretending they're civilized.Just like in real life!
>>292158460This isn't stated explicitly, but it may be a inevitability that psychic powers randomly appear again like they did originally. Maybe that wasn't what the author intended, because it paints a rather grim future for the world.
>>292191363No, they originally manifested due to some weird experiments by human scientists >>292166900.
>>292188112>You can follow the rules and improve slowly.Following bad rules has literally never EVER, EVER in the HISTORY OF MANKIND EVER made them "improve" out of nowhere by themselves like it's fucking magicIn fact, following bad rules usually only leads to them getting worse
>>292176443There's very little info about "normal cantus users". In fact, The present ones seem to be the most peaceful ones which is saying something. All the recorded cantus emperors were cartoonishly evil that they continously collased their empires, the cantus biker gangs were also so rapey and evil they self-destructed. There's a reason that the scientists had to create the current society for cantus users to survive.
Squaler was still a piece of shit gross rat I'm on the side of the psyche humans just because they look like me. Simple as
>>292183325only queens look like that, and they got lobotomized
>>292192419fuck off popper you little kike freak, obey the rules
>>292156493It wasn't out of character for Saki, who reacted emotionally several times throughout the story. It's explicitly stated in the novel that she couldn't bear to lose Satoru after losing everyone else close to her so she impulsively chose to destroy the Psychobuster rather than let it kill both him and Maria's child.
How did Maria and Mamoru die at the end ? Did Squaler kill them after Maria gave birth to the child to steal their kid and use her as a weapon ? It wasn't clear to me
>>292193271>Did Squaler kill them after Maria gave birth to the child to steal their kid and use her as a weaponYes. They killed them while they were asleep.
>>292193271>>292193302I miss them so much...
>>292193271It's never made clear in the anime. The village wants them dead, without explicitly ordering their deaths. Squaler presented them with incomplete remains. He assured Saki he could get away with presenting modified queerrat remains, but we also know the village verified that the skeletons indeed belonged to mamoru and maria, i don't remember if they tested, dna, finger prints or dental records.
>>292180415So are you going to provide any evidence to back up your assertions or not, you stupid faggot? My evidence is from the actual goddamn show, how Squealer and the Queerats are observed treating Messiah well. Your bullshit is just in your own retarded mind. Cowardly little bitch.
>>292193302>>292193443Squaler was really good at manipulating them from the beginning while pretending he was on their side. This proves he was very human
>>292180212what a loser shit character
YaniNeko
>>292192483The PK Emperors ruled for centuries, which really isn't any less stable than other forms of social organization and government throughout human history. Although they did self-destruct eventually, it took them far longer than one might expect. In any case, I think it actually makes sense for the PK Emperors to all have been vile monsters due to perverse selection effects. As the novel explains it, the Emperors faced the problem that their position was always precarious the moment that their offspring had their own psychic powers awaken. It's the very same problem again that first normal humans and later the scientists had to face: How do you prevent a rogue cantus user from going on a rampage and killing you? The answer being: You preemptively kill him first. So the Emperors fell into a habit of killing or maiming their own heirs if they grew suspicious of them for any reason, and their reigns ended when one of their potential successors finally managed to murder them despite their precautions. The Imperial system of succession was basically selecting for the worst kind of people, simply because the worst kind of people have an edge in planning the murder of their own paranoid sire. A good natured PK heir would simply be in a much worse position to inherit the throne compared to a psychopath who won't hesitate to seize the first opportunity to kill all competing pretenders to the throne plus the guy currently sitting on it.
>>292193539>are you going to provide any evidence to back up your assertionsDo you mean the assertions you made up in your head and then pretended I made them? No, I won't you worthless pissbaby. If you want an actual discussion and not derail the thread, learn to read or better yet, just kill yourself.>My evidence is from the actual goddamn showYes, a show you watched while gargling on Squealer's 2 inch rat cock, instead of paying attention to his character.He did not have any paternal feelings towards the child and saw her as nothing more than a weapon of war, which should be VERY clear to anyone that watched the show and saw how Squealer viewed the lives of his fellow Queerats. That was my entire point, but in your endless retardation, you twisted my words and had a meltdown over it. Congrats on being a retarded faggot who can't read.
>>292195155>just kill yourselfThat's so mean, anon.Us little girls must be nice to each other.
>>292158460>>292173396Just give everyone the death feedback, but make it more of an actual death-only mechanism, instead of a drawn out process. Note that the wider violence-suppressing elements would be dampened, but not gone. It already doesn't prevent people from abusing children, so if it were weakened even further, Cantus users would be more than able to satisfy their power tripping desires and pushing normal humans around, while the normies could be safe in knowing that PKs can't cross a line without dying. Then, whenever a normie or a Cantus user finds out that their death feedback doesn't work and goes berserk, somebody would be able to make a conscious decision to sacrifice themselves to stop them (and also, a Cantus user would be trivially able to stop a muggle mass shooter without needing to use lethal force).That way, you'd basically have a normal modern society, except that this society's top 1% doesn't have money but something else that gives them even more power to push the masses around, and if they berserk you would need another member of their group to be able to stop them, but that would basically just be a more damaging equivalent of mass shootings.
The book has a fan translation. Go read it.
