i never quite understood the message of this show, I mean i know what its trying to say i think, but like not wanting to be prey and defending yourself as a result is a perfectly valid and rational response, so what its trying to say is kind of stupid.
>>292169784actually you're fucking retarded and don't know anything
>>292169784Happiness is the superior vamp series
Another bourgeois pig filtered by The People's manga.Sad!
>>292169784Something something paranoia and mistrust can destroy communities. But really, that loli vampire bitch got saved by the bell in that equally retarded as fuck priest character who betrayed his town and all the people therein for loli vampire pussy. In reality, the moment you have a blood sucker infestation you gotta clean that shit out ASAP or they get delusions of grandeur and think they own the place.
>ShikiHumans are le evil for killing vampires>HappinessHumans are evil for idolizing and mimicking vampires
>>292169838Look, I’m just saying if they were only taking blood without killing anyone, I could sort of see the point it was trying to make.But, dude, you can’t portray people as irrational for reacting violently to something that makes a violent response perfectly rational, then expect me to sympathize with the other side.
>>292169784Two things I remember most about watching Shiki>when the villagers go HAM on the vampiresEspecially when that they run that one bitch over with a tractor, Jesus Christ.>being mad at the monkOh my god, fuck that guy, like are you shitting me right now.
>>292170226>Oh my god, fuck that guy, like are you shitting me right now.Hey im just as HFY as the next guy, but vampire cunny, i could respect the hustle.
>>292169784There is no message worth taking, other than enjoying the slow buildup and explosive carnage. If there really were intended themes buried beneath the shikis' retarded plans and the monk's tragic symbolism bullshit, then the writer did it terribly. Because the shiki are retards, their plan sucks, and the monk is a piece of shit.
Not everything needs a message.
>>292171029I agree , but this show was trying to push one rather clumsily
>muddy water start playing
>>292169784Monk Man won btw
>>292169784The message is that evil whores get what they deserve at the end.
>>292172645she deserved this less than the monk did
>>292172645would it still count as necrophilia?
>>292169784Shiki wasn't very good, simple as.>>292169838Getting mad at someone for not liking a cartoon you like is manchild behavior.
>>292172848>t. brainlet
I've been wanting to check this out for a while after stumbling upon the OST on another thread.For the best experience should I watch the anime blind, or read what has been translated of the novels?
>>292173274/a/ - Anime & Manga
>>292173274Yes, very observant.Sorry for asking about the source material of the anime that is being discussed in this thread, that anime being Shiki which was originally a novel written by Fuyumi Ono and later got adapted into the 2010 anime that this very thread is about. Thanks.
>>292173667meant for>>292173495
>>292169784I mean, it's pretty clear.>Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.The response of the villagers IS perfectly valid and reasonable. But that response required them to kill their neighbours and family members who have been twisted into vampires. That changes a person.
>>292169784Did you watch the special episodes?
>>292173756no, why should i?
i have ambivalent feeling about nao, i mean I find her a pitiable character and i feel sorry for her , but at the same time i see this scene where she hugs her mother in law who she loved more than her own mother and then literally the next moment just fucking kills her, and i kind of just want to kill her too.
>>292173820Not excusing the vamps, they needed to be killedBut keep in mind that they're driven by a deep instinctual desire to not only suck blood, but to mind control people into protecting them AND to eventually die and thus "join" themRemember the first thing they do to newly-turned shiki? Lock them up in a room with a stranger until starvation drags them over the hump of their remaining morality. The more they kill, the more they lose any resistance to killing. And all the while they're being told "don't worry, they'll probably revive too and join us!"you can't really think about the situation as being one of good vs evil. it's a village vs a disease.
>>292173840the nurse was able to resist to the end tho
>>292173780That's the part where Mr. Message appears and says "Hey, I am the message."
>>292173851they trapped her in a room with someone she actually knew IRLthat's the most obvious fucking blunder imaginableit needs to be someone the new shiki has no connection to
>>292173968I have the feeling she would have resisted even if she was someone she didn't know. The second she realized she was an undead she knew what her course of action would be. A nurse saves lives, not take them.
>>292169784There
>>292174044some people can do thatsome people with rabies could perhaps still bear to take a sip of water, toodoesn't change the fact that it's effectively a disease, not a cult.
>>292172645what episode was this from? i have this show on my external hdd but to lazy to go through the episodes to rewatch this fav scene of mine her whining left satisfying
>>292174213I was talking about the nurse herself, not in general.
>>292169784Despite the superior presentation it's really no better written than Another (also reminder that the authors are married)
>>292174227The 22th, the very last one of the anime.
shiki what would have happened if the doctor had security cameras throughout the clinic and simply turned the footage of Tatsumi’s attack over to the authorities?I mean he wouldn't initially need to convince anyone that vampires exist. He would only need to prove that a group of people violently attacked a doctor and murdered a patient.
>>292174932>also reminder that the authors are marriedand?
>>292169838This.
>>292172645>The message is that evil whores get what they deserve at the end.>evil whores get what they deserve >The enraged mob kills her quickly instead of raping her and then burning her in the Sun.Nigga pls.
>>292175117I could not fix her.
He WON
>>292173820She deserved her fate, except the mercy she received at the very end.
>>292175601Eh, I find her contemptible, but I’m not particularly interested in seeing her suffer. I’ve never been into that kind of justice. I prefer Gotrek Gurnisson’s approach, just kill the blood drinker and be done with it.
>>292173274>>292173667The anime itself is an adaptation of a manga that adapts the novel. Both manga and anime are very similar with some slight differences as the anime ended a bit before the manga did, but other than that they follow the same exact story beats. I haven't read the novel myself, but from what I heard is wildly different from the adaptations.Also, the manga got a short vomic adaptation (a voiced manga for those unaware of what a vomic is) before the anime was made with a different voice cast too.
>>292175857>I haven't read the novel myself, but from what I heard is wildly different from the adaptations.how different?
>>292175857>a voiced manga for those unaware of what a vomic isi was not aware there was a word for that
>>292169784Disregard humanity, get loli gf
was there an explanation of why her eyes were pitch black with no pupils, or was that just a stylistic choice?
>>292173968>that's the most obvious fucking blunder imaginable>it needs to be someone the new shiki has no connection tomaybey, i feel they did it so it would be a moral event horizon kind of thing if she gave in you know
>>292169784Actually, you are fucking dumb and completely missed the point, so you didn't, in fact, know what it was trying to make. And you are also just overall fucking dumb.
>>292176271I know what you think the point was, but you're wrong too.
>>292174061This is why predators carefully pick their opponents and prey always fights to kill.
>>292174061>But no living creature would surrender without putting up one hell of a fighthe's clearly never met a sunfish
>>292175942>>292175857vomic is perhaps the worst name I have every heard for a medium.
>>292176350what would you call it then?
>>292176387>audiobook
>>292176387vocomic is already better. vocal comic.
>>292176426thing i've learned about internet culture, people want new, even if its not better.
>>292169784>Shiki are retarded.>Humans are monsters. >Cuteness is justice.Pretty simple stuff.
>>292176677but only one of those things is true
>>292175159She was right for wanting to leave that hillbilly village. She didn't deserve to be turned and didn't deserve to be lynched.
>>292176654vomic sounds like vomit, anoncan there be anything fucking worse than that?
>>292176712>She didn't deserve to be turned Agreed, she was an innocent human girl whose worst sin was just being a bit bitchy and a (harmless) stalker.>and didn't deserve to be lynchedDisagree, she 100% deserved her fate. By that point she was a sadistic bloodthirsty monster who ruined the lives of many innocents and unlike Sunako it was clear she enjoyed being a vampire and have impunity about harming those she hated. She reaped what she sow.
>>292175053There was a reason the vamps chose a backwater village without much in the way of technology
>>292176022They are a stylistic choice. It's explained the black sclera are a visual que for the audience that someone is undead and are not necessarily what the characters in the story see.
>>292175930From what I heard, Natsuno doesn't becomes a werewolf in the novels and dies for good after being killed by Tohru, Megumi is a more sympathetic character and less of a complete evil bitch, Ozaki exposes the vampires alone, Kaori's brother has his fate unresolved and the monk is the main character. These are things I read from many sources around the Internet, but the first one at least seems to be 100% true.
>>292176285Clearly, you dont, considering you've fallen for my trapcard of an associated image. And regardless, Shiki was already called dumb when it was airing, but it is still pretty fun to watch.
>>292169784human bad, but also vampires bad, so it doesnt matter shitty people are just shittythere was no deep messagethe 2nd OP was a banger thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKNnJS9lpFA
>>292173840The only think that vampirism forces them is the need to drink blood to survive, everything else they did is because they were indoctrinated by Tatsumi into becoming monsters with zero remorse about killing people either willingly or forcingbly (via threatening family members or direct physical violence on the newly risen Shiki). The one case of a vampire who was able to escape the Kirishikis and meet their relatives again (the mother of the lady from the restaurant) proves that vampires and humans can coexist with each other and vampires can live with given blood without the need to actively prey on humans. Everything the Kirishikis did was mentally conditioning the former villagers into believing they were monsters who must kill people, but it's just bullshit as shown by the case of the old lady. In the end, forced or not, they still chose to turn into monsters, with only two exceptions (Tohru and Kaori's father) feeling guilt for what they did, not to mention their personality remained intact for the most part, so the vampires are all pretty evil with some exceptions.
>>292169784The Heart
>>292179113>everything else they did is because they were indoctrinated by Tatsumi into becoming monsters with zero remorseexcept the pink haired one, she just did it for the love of the game
>>292179185Yep, which is why her death was the most deserved and satisfying.
>>292169784The message is simple: don't let foreigners into your land, brainwash your own people and turn them against you. Destroy them early.
>>292177060I assumed they chose the village because they still buried their dead unlike most of Japan
>>292177060>>292179922Both reasons are true. Sunako chose Sotoba because it was a remote village with rare contact from the rest of the country and because the villagers didn't bury their dead, allowing her to create an army of vampires.
>>292173708Not really. Only the doctor arguably changed and not definitely. If anything the show showed that actually villagers are really compatible with genocide and atrocities and can take them in stride without changing. Which is actually the truth of this world whether you like it or not
>>292179999Nah, they were stressful, angry and vengeful after being preyed by the vampires for months, of course they were changed by the experience and became more brutal, it's a normal response to being attacked by a supernatural threat who wants you dead and will not negotiate or try to explain themselves.
>>292180088>and will not negotiate or try to explain themselves.so like what if they did?
>>292173968I don't believe that her resisting the hunger had to do with knowing the woman. Nurse is just that based.
>>292179248>>292179185Fuck you.
>>292181278She wasn't gonna let you fuck her, Masao, stop whiteknighting whores on /a/
>>292180429Assuming they asked for help, some may have been disturbed, others perhaps would have tried to help them, others would just don't care as long as they didn't disturb the village (like communist Santa said). Whatever they tried, it would have been better than the approach Sunako took.
>>292172645It's been years since I last watched this scene and I have watched a shiton of other anime ever since, yet few came to approach the level of satisfaction I feel everytime I see this pink shit get her just deserts. It's such a magical scene.
>>292173968
>>292174932>Another (also reminder that the authors are married)she didn't take his family name or is that just a fake mangaka name they use
>>292169784it's l i t e r a l l y about how the bourgoise are bloodsucking parasites with a victim complex
>>292169784It's not just man vs monster, it's also rural vs urban. There's the recurring theme of the slow degeneration and dismantling of rural communities. The villagers' traditions and tight-knit nature get slowly subverted by those trying to kill them, and even the funerals get turned into a farce by the later episodes as vampires start to run the shop. A parallel village gradually expands and forms next door, with the visuals emphasizing its modernity in contrast to the village's run-down nature. Yet the show does not inherently glorify the rural, communal lifestyle either, as even well before the events we see this environment is hostile and suffocating, jokingly to Muromi but more profoundly with the priest and Dr Ozaki's dead-end lives. This is mirrored in the dynamics between vampire and human. Eventually, the village is still symbolically destroyed, even despite the villagers' uprising and efforts.MACHINES OF LABOR jokes about it by exaggerating the point, but that is literally one of the main motifs. The old man is screaming it out in the final episode.
