>Zeke's euthanasia plan works>Eren's genocide plan worksBoth plans are great, yet we somehow end with 80% of humans wiped out, Eldians are now left without power of titan shifting, and the whole world hates them 100 times more.Was Isayama threatened to make such a shitty ending or was AoT bad from the start, we just didn't notice it
Zeke's plan is the LITERAL cuck plan. Sacrificing your race for the sake of a bunch of hateful snobs on the other side of the planet just because they have more numbers than you is complete cuckoldry. Zeke has no sense of loyalty to his race or family, he is and always has been a marleyan dog
>>292200457FPBP
>>292200370>or was AoT bad from the start, we just didn't notice itI noticed it just fine, it's the uncomfortable number of people I meet who say it was their first anime that seem to think otherwise.
>>292200457You just described the cucked states of Israel
Erin WAS justified from his perspective. The worst part is his motivations were just even if it doomed all of humanity. Generational or shared shame for another culture is old world and often perpetrated by archaic cultures and enforced by modern society.
>>292200370I think its odd, if the idea is>Eren wants to genocide the world>but his friends will stop him and pursue peace insteadWhy write it so he manages to kill 80% of the population anyways? It kinda defeats the point of everything. The group failed to protect the world from genocide, so at that point might let eren finish the job. Eren failed to end the conflict, so at that point he should have let himself be stopped before killing so many.It's such an odd half measure to take. It feels like it really resolves nothing even though its such a big event on paper. On screen if feels insignificant because of this.If Eren only managed to destroy the coastal cities before being stopped, it would feel more impactful. Instead its an "everything went wrong for everyone. So, anyways, everyone survived I guess".What an awkward ending, such an arbitrary choice.This is even without getting into the manga denying free will and embracing determinism completely, thus making Eren's choices void and null.
>>292201888I mean, the meta reason is because isayama was making it up monthly and lost the plot at some point.
>>292200370He got the call>>292200457Sacrificing your own is wrong period. I don't care if you're a gook or a dumb nigger, i would never expect you to die for my sake.
I hate it when people abuse the word "cuck."If you don't know what the word means, you shouldn't use it. You can't have a plan that is "cucked," that's literally just American teenage jargon creeping into your vernacular. Be better.
>>292202540No. 'Cuck' is a highly versatile word, not unlike 'fuck'. It should be stretched to the point of maximum usability.
>>292202698Cucked mentality :^)
>>292202948idk how this bitch could both spin a soldier like a yoyo for fun and then cry like a little girl when seeing Marcel being eaten. Such a shitty character
Ppl act like the entire world hadn't declared war on paradis right before eren attacked Marley and started his plan. He was completely justified. He even waited for the declaration to be complete before attacking when he could've attacked prematurely. He was literally the only eldian left that wasn't a bitch.
>>292202996Because she's a child who takes her anger out on lessers that she doesn't know, while lamenting the loss of those she gave an ounce of a shit for.She wanted to be normal and never will. She hates the corrupt nature of both societies she has been living in. Everybody in this story who did heinous shit was an indoctrinated youth who didn't question anything until they either grew up or were socked so hard with reality that they had to.
Ask yourself this, the main theme and mystery of the story that hooked the global audience is>humanity is stuck behind walls and are being assailed by mindless titans from the outside >the mindless titans are revealed to be the same people as the humanity inside the walls, just twisted into titans by the enemy What is the actual thematic value and meaning of this premise and twist by the end of the story? Basically just a random arrangement of arbitrary magical mechanics of how titans work, the main hook carries no significance to the greater themes of the storyThen ask yourself if there *was* a way for the hook to actually have thematic meaning, and what would it be? It's something that Isayama would have to pivot from after public and editorial backlash, leaving the hook as a vestigial part of the overall story
>>292200370Basically>isayama wrote a muv-luv doujin>retards convinced themselves a complete amateur had some grand years spanning plan for his first manga >isayama begins to expand and drag it out beyond its means>half-asses plot developments to distance himself from Muv-Luv>eventually winds up just writing "And that is why... genocide is bad or something?"Reading Before The Fall utterly convinced me of this, it's like reading a Muv-Luv side story.
>>292202996>could both spin a soldier like a yoyo for funIt wasn't for fun, that guy suffered a near instantaneous death from both his back breaking due to centrifugal force and the blood rushing to his head would cause him to black out.He literally died a painless death, there was no "for fun" in it, it was just an efficient kill for someone on the end of a wire.
>>292200370The story got too big for Isayama, so he had to make a hard crash so that no chud get funny ideas about it.
>>292203240SNK is one of those stories that would've been significantly different if it was e.g. a game and had to have all of its plot finished in one go, reaching global popularity meant Isayama had to make detour after detour to avoid backlash and in the end not even reach his intended ending By the end you can literally see the editor influence in the form of notHitler and Onyankopon to really hammer in the message that the story is safe for global consumption
>>292200370Killing everyone outside the wall was the solution
>>292202996The spin thing was genuinely out of character and stupid.Literally everything we see of Annie except that one moment tells us she would NOT do something like that.She would kill, obviously, but never have fun doing it.Even her sparing Armin already creates some weird contradiction, and of course her at the funeral apologizing to marco.Such an odd choice.
>>292203438>and in the end not even reach his intended endingHe probably didn't have any kind of intended ending. Retards here insist he was making le based and redpilled manga, but the reality is simply that he just never thought too deeply about where he'd go with it. Probably just thought>Yeah and then Eren will beat all the titans or something and everyone will die like at the end of Muv-Luv AlternativeHe just ended up dragging it out for so long that he tripped and fell into an embarrassing allegory for nazism that a bunch of losers here latched onto.
>>292200370yes he was threatened obviously
>>292203529Annie is still a Marleycuck meaning doesnt register Walldians as people
>>292203529>The spin thing was genuinely out of character and stupid.>Literally everything we see of Annie except that one moment tells us she would NOT do something like that.>She would kill, obviously, but never have fun doing it.I disagree, I think when we see Annie killing the bug, we're seeing her complex regarding her height and build come to the fore. She didn't spin him for the fun of it, she did it because she could, because for a change, she had power over someone and was in a position wherein they couldn't fight back, just like with the bug, she could kill it without repercussion, so she did.
>>292203276Such an odd cope, she could have smashed him.Spinning him around like a toy is just weird, it was done for cinematic effect and it was stupid and a stain on her character
>>292203591She could have, but didn't, that doesn't mean she "did it for fun" >>292203591
>>292203580Except we see Annie doesn't reason or think like this.She feels guilty over Marco, regardless of repercussions.When Eren throws her onto the church and she sees the people she crushed, she is horrified.She defends Marlo when he goes after the corrupt MP guys.She very clearly does not enjoy toying with people like bugs and in fact gets upset when others do. Except in that scene, in that scene she just toys with a guy, randomly. Not even a guy who pissed her off. >>292203604I think she did it because Isayama thought it looked cool, and I think it leaves a pretty bad impression of her character.
>>292203650Marco and the Church goers didn't try to kill her.And defending Marlo is because she's a good person, your point doesn't stand counter to anything I said.>I think she did it because Isayama thought it looked coolThat's possible, but I stand by my understanding of events, the bug scene wasn't added idly, it had purpose.
>>292200457He's just finishing what the 145th King Fritz started.
>>292201888If a faucet is leaking do you not fix it before all the water runs out? Wtf are you on?
>>292203991Of course you (as in, the characters) fix it. I'm not stating the characters acted inconsistent.I'm stating that you, the writer, had the power to CHOOSE how much water leaks, and he went with the most unsatisfying option.
The original ODM looks cooler than the Post-Ocean ODM
>>292204444The original ODM is too tiny for the wires it supposedly has desu.Also, a pic from the past for those who didn't see it yet.
>>292204532>The original ODM is too tiny for the wires it supposedly has desu.Really? I honestly haven't thought about that before, but I guess I see your point.>PicSuper funny.
>>292204573Do you have more of the paints edits of SnK? I think there were a lot of them during the early days of pretimeskip release.
>>292204608Sorry, I don't, I lost my original folders a couple of years ago. Much to my sadness I'm sure you can understand.Goodnight anon.
>>292204678G'night
I know she's a dyke, but I always wanted to smooch Ymir
>>292200828And Europe of course
>>292200457Actually Zeke was right and people shouldn't be born with demonic powers that can easily bring about the end of the world, and peaceful extinction was the best way to ensure it.
>>292200370>thumbnail of OP picThis is what I saw at first, and now I can't unsee it
>>292200457Zeke was fucking groomed to be a marley dog and got his family "killed"..why does even entertain his cuck plan?
>>292202996Nigga that's part of the pointAnnie was a normal person being taken by the flow of her circumstances, which allowed for her cruel, hypocritical, ugly, monstrous nature to surfaceFMAB has some commentary on this in how Hawkeye actively enjoys killing her enemies despite being very traumatized by war regardlessIt's just very understated and not competently shown in AOT
>>292203152You'd love the previous thread if you were therehttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/292165613/#292165613
>>292204766She's complete wife material tbf she just needs someone to fix herCompletely weak to love and care
>>292204766understandable
>>292206326>>292206558I could have saved her bros...
>>292206742She's actually very kind despite what her dirty mouth would suggest, goes out of her way to help or save people several times. Actually the second shingeki game expands a lot on this, her events are really good.But she's never reciprocated until she finds Historia, whom she deems to have a similar nature to her. She's defenseless against someone actually loving her as she is and dedicating themselves to her
>>292206780Well, that's kind of the point of her character, she keeps talking about living only for herself, but at the end she goes towards her execution just to cover for Reiner and Bertholdt whomst she doesn't even have a particular relationship with beyond knowing them.She tries so hard to be evil but she just can't, she's fundamentally selfless.She deserved better...
>>292206829Yes, she acts hostile as an attempt to protect herself from being exploited due to her good nature. She and Nanaba really deserved better.Also, I don't think this encompasses all of it but there's some of her interactions in the game: https://youtu.be/UC1DftlpW9sI don't know how they did it, but everyone in this game acts almost entirely within character, it's like Isayama himself wrote it
>>292201888I said it once I'll say it again the best option would have been a Devilman ending where Eren sucedded in destroying the world but thanks to the meddling to stop him it caused him to go berserk and also destroy the island. End the manga with Eren realizing he's the last living thing on a dead world, he got his "freedom" at the cost of literally everything
>>292207186That would suckNot the direction the story was going before it got pivoted
>>292200457Race is a retarded social construct invented by the British in the 1920's to justify stealing from foreign countries and before then there isn't any actual "anglo-saxon" identity. Morons ascribe the language of "whiteness" to the bronze age when it was strictly an era of tribal/clan affiliation, and there was no sense of an overarching unified "race".
>>292207250Every person in history would be a uber racist by your definitions and yet you're still pulling this retarded argumentMove along you queer
>>292200370>Eldians are now left without power of titan shiftingEren wanted to get rid of all titans. He gpt rid of all titans. That's more important than mere geopolitics or natalism
>>292207216Yes yes we know you want to see everyone you don't like die
>>292207250That is a stupid argument that relies on how vague the word "race" is.Yes, if we have to be technical, its ethnicity, not race. And yes, even we have to be even more technical, there are dna difference studied at an even lower level.But there ARE biological differences between people, this much is proven, its in fact self evident even by the existence of skin color.You can reel about this fact, whine about definitions to try to deflect, but its a real thing, and certain ethnicities do present certain dna and characteristics that are not found in others.
>>292207277>>292207342Okay, I suppose you are like fifteen and not understanding what is being said to you. The idea of a "Racial Identity" like "Whiteness" or "Blackness" is a social construct invented by the British to justify a global campaign of conquest, it is a kind of othering that does not have a basis in history, which was defined by a different kind of cultural tribalism (IE - Romans differentiating themselves from Etruscans despite being genetically indistinct neighbors). So yes while there are different biological races of human, there is also a very real social idea of "race" that is much more novel, and is the one being overtly referred to by anon in his original post. I mean this is kind of getting away from the point since within SnK this racial definition already exists but is more broadened by the fiction, but if you're examining the story from the position of someone in real life then Zeke doesn't actually owe it to any fellow Eldian not to sterilize them because they can turn into giant freaks that eat people. It's more like a nuclear disarmament at that point. Zeke's plan would have objectively saved more lives and was infinitely superior to Eren's moronic half-genocide.
>>292207342The best way to ward off relativist types is to not make any pre-loaded argument at all. Just use a simple(ish) syllogism>Individuals inherit biological traits from their parents.>Populations consist of individuals whose inherited traits occur in particular distributions and frequencies.>Therefore, populations can exhibit distinctive distributions of inherited biological traits>>292207417>is a social construct invented by the British to justify a global campaign of conquestIt's not, the british merely categorized and systematized a known fact of human history. It was used for conquest because it effectively does serve as a justification, they were correct.>Zeke doesn't actually owe it to any fellow Eldian not to sterilize themLmao you're a demon like ZekeYou should be eaten alive
>>292207467It's a good thing you wont breed or I would feel compelled to kill you.
>>292207417>Whiteness" or "Blackness" is a social constructA social construct which is based off an existing dna difference.Just because the british weren't accurate with their classifications, and were perhasp even ill itentioned, doesn't mean the whole thing needs to be thrown away.
>>292207250>>292207417Humans are the only animal that we don't apply the normal biological categorization rules to, which is inherently against the scientific method. A dog is not a coyote is not a wolf. A caucasoid is not a negroid is not a mongoloid. Call it race or species or whatever but they are not the same animal. This is not a claim that one animal is better or worse than another, it is a claim that they are different animals.
>>292200457>>292200828>>292204784>>292204789Zeke's plan is 100% a reference to Anti-Japaneseismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japaneseism
>>292207516You're a spiteful mutant bred in resentfulness and your disgusting little mind games came to a halt the second I stopped playing them and denounced you while simultaneously using a strong argument grounded in realityGet fucked faggot
>>292207529I thought it was a clear reference to Theodore N. Kaufman's Germany Must Perish! (1941)
>>292200457he was an anti natalist, he hates life so much he wants to end it
Ah nothing like an Attack on Titan thread that immediately turns into a Nuremburg Rally wonder how Isyama feels about accidentally making Mein Kamp II Electric Boogaloo
The jew lashes out in pain as he actively defends that your race doesn't exist so he feels morally entitled to genocide you, AND defends the sterilization of a people he doesn't like in the same breath
>>292206829Ymir genuinely makes no sense and is really strong evidence for that arc being the point when the series significantly changed course to make it longer.>new character who is friendly with the protagonists and is also a shifter>apparently knows the Big Secret and also identifies Reiner as one of the spies before anyone else does>inexplicably tells her friends nothing, despite the fact that she has no reason not to and this information could help save their lives>tells Krista that life outside the walls is so much better (this is contradicted by the timeskip) but still doesn't reveal any more information even after being outed as a shifter and having nothing to lose>goes off with Reiner and Bert to die despite having no allegiance to them or Marley, and effectively gives her titan to Marley so they can continue launching attacks on the island where her friends liveHer whole arc is just bizarre, it's clear that not long after introducting her the author decided to push back the main reveal so the story has to awkwardly work around the fact that there's a character who knows everything.
>>292207529References are nice but objectively speaking these powers are demonic
>>292200370>Radical Left idea works>Radical Right idea works>cucked centrist idea doesn't Isayama is just an anti-centrist
>>292204766A problem created by Marcel.
>>292200457erm... genocide is bad, you chud.
>>292207749The best (worst) thing about deterministic time travel stories is that everything can be hand waved away by saying "Eren mind-controlled her from the future to do it because that was the only way to achieve his plan"
>>292202948the SEX titan
>>292207525All current living humans are absolutely the same species of animal. Dogs, wolves and coyotes diverged as species millions of years ago, while human ethnicities diverged only tens of thousands of years ago. Your analogy would be more apt if you compared each one to a different breed of dog or something like that.
>>292207749Many issues would be fixed if the Warriors didn't break character and run away like bitches instead of taking Ymir along with them into the walls. This would also help explain how Ymir doesn't get easily eaten by other Pure Titans outside the walls and why she would be willing to sacrifice herself for Reiner and Bertoldt since they actually helped her survive inside the walls for years.
>>292207912>Dogs, wolves and coyotes diverged as species millions of years agoSo? When an event happens in the grand tapestry of history is irrelevant. New animals can be born/evolve any time, any day, any era. >Your analogy would be more apt if you compared each one to a different breed of dog or something like that.It works equally well with either case, since a pit bull and a chihuahua and a golden retriever might be considered "dogs" but they're still wildly different creatures. It's all subdivisions of subdivisions to categorize things as "like" or "unlike."
>>292207985you should probably stick to neutral terms instead of trying to sound smart by misusing biology terminology
Assuming their opponent was at the level of World War I, all it would have taken was to wait a little over 100 years, and technology would have made it possible to stop the Rumbling, especially if the military had known about it and prepared plans.Assuming they didn’t have nuclear bombs, given that those Titans are large, dumb, identical, and have a weak spot on the back of their necks, they’d be the perfect target for homing missiles with shaped-charge warheads that strike precisely and can penetrate over a meter of solid steel.All it would take is to plan the battle, program them appropriately, organize the means of delivery, and produce enough of them.
>>292207901she has the nose for it
>>292200370>Kill 80% of mankind>Yeah, man, I'm sure the remaining 20% wouldn't hate us to death and would seek revenge a couple of generations laterSeriously... at that point, just let him finish the job.
>>292207417>The idea of a "Racial Identity" like "Whiteness" or "Blackness" is a social construct invented by the British to justify a global campaign of conquest,No. It is a social construct raised to shore up their crumbling empire. Racism is always sign of weakness, of loss of virilty and dominance, of the defensive desire to exclude the outsiders and to band together with superficially similar people, even though previously you had no common interests and were bitter enemies. That's why the ancient Greeks became racist (and stated thinking of themselves as of "Greeks") after they ended up under the foreign boot, that's why most branches of the Jews were and are uber-racist, that's why Ottoman Turks became racist as their empire was crumbling, and so on.That's also why racists only excel at causing trouble for everyone else, and never win at the end. To achieve even a temporary success they must heavily compromise on racism, like the Jews, who pretended so hard it is all about religion, they started to believe in that themselves, and now allow blacks and Indians into Israel, because those practice Judaism.
>>292207749>inexplicably tells her friends nothing, despite the fact that she has no reason not to and this information could help save their lives>still doesn't reveal any more information even after being outed as a shifter and having nothing to lose>goes off with Reiner and Bert to die despite having no allegiance to them or Marley, and effectively gives her titan to Marley so they can continue launching attacks on the island where her friends liveAll of this is perfectly within her character. Ymir is a very good person at heart that was taken advantage because of it, and suffered terribly. Her entire character is about her WANTING to be selfish, and trying to be, despite her good nature. All of this makes sense in light of that. However, this>tells Krista that life outside the walls is so much better (this is contradicted by the timeskip)Might be an actual, legitimate grievance. I suppose she could have meant pretending not to be eldian or something, or perhaps she thought she wasn't eldian since she thought she was nobility, but didn't know she was of royal blood (remember, the Reiss plot only comes in later).
>>292208365>a couple of generationscenturies, if not thousands of years, and at that point who caresclassical era romans would not give a single fuck what happens to modern italians and would not recognise them as members of the same culture or nation as them
>>292208491You're a disgusting retard, but your outlook in history is more honest than the guy you're replying toI could still be friends with you even if we're so radically different our differences could only be settled with a gun
>>292203729I hate that I care enough to speculate this much, but my headcanon is that the 145th became King as a child, or even as an infant (makes perfect sense considering war and whatnot) and was secretly raised by a regent who supported Marley and spent his whole life brainwashing Fritz to be a self hating demigod.
>>292208701We'll never know because the entire plot about Fritz, about the Tyburs, about the Great Titan War and how the modern world came to be in Shingeki was entirely shafted in favour of irrational, zero-depth two-bit satire about fascism or whatever
i stopped watching after s2 but i might finish it one day
>>292200457this is why every lebanese person needs to join Hezbollah
>>292208736Nono you don’t get it, Hange said that history doesn’t matter because they weren’t there for it and then Magath apologizes for being a bad guy and decides to be a good guy
>>292208751Read the manga from the start up to chapter 105 and call it quits
>>292208770KekThe lengths the story goes to tear down everything it constructed should be studiedConsider how memory manipulation and knowing the truth and the past were such a huge plot point in the uprising arc
>>292208605What if like haha hypothetically or whatever hypothetically an ancient nation had a bunch of ancient texts amounting to tens of millions of words like hypothetically haha that hypothetically make very clear that Bhar I mean their hypothetical nation is bounded by the snowy mountains to the north and the ocean to the south I feel like they’d care
>>292208783im in
>>292207467>>Individuals inherit biological traits from their parents.>>Populations consist of individuals whose inherited traits occur in particular distributions and frequencies.>>Therefore, populations can exhibit distinctive distributions of inherited biological traitsyes, and those traits do not align with even the current conception of race, duh, the idea of a "white race" is stupid because its flattening all the distinct populations of light skinned people under an ill defined monoculture purely based on outer traits, which is also why "white" is never properly defined (are italians white? how about slavs? is someone greek white? how high can the % of "non white" dna be in someone before they are not considered so anymore, if so, is white purely defined by the phenotype instead of genotype?)
>>292208839Pretending not to understand spectrums and proportion, and how things are ordered makes you sound like you're coping. This whataboutism won't get you anywhere with me.Make a proper argument and I'll give you a proper answer, but I won't engage in meaningless rhetoric with someone in bad faith.
>>292208656>we could be friends but i'd shoot you to deathare you trying to posture as some tough edgy guy or are you actively trying to prove the "racists immediately turn into violent conflict at any provocation"
>>292208863Also, I will not discuss these topics with you even in good faith if you're a nominalist.Nominalists get the rope
>>292208875I'm saying that I respect your commitment to the bit, even if you're wrong and your ideas should be wiped out of human history as the perverse blot stain that isAlso fuck I wish the "racists immediately turn into violent conflict at any provocation" meme was real
>>292208863>Pretending not to understand spectrums and proportion, and how things are ordered makes you sound like you're coping.i think you are the one pretending to not understand here, my point is that "race" in the way its applied in humans (ie: ethnicity) is categories so broad that it becomes useless as anything but a propaganda tool, if you wanna talk about germans, spaniards, poles, etc, sure, you can make an argument about those, but flattening extremely diverse sets of people into "white" or whatever is the stupid part, nobody is denying there's some level of biological difference between populations
>>292208877>nominalistundeniable trvke mention
>>292208905>I'm saying that I respect your commitment to the bit, even if you're wrong and your ideas should be wiped out of human history as the perverse blot stain that istalking like sephiroth does not help your cause, i simply argue in favor of everyone doing their best to get along and for individuals to be judged based on their merits rather than pre conception :3
>>292208909>He didn't even know what nominalism was>He didn't know he was one>He doesn't know where his ideas come fromKek, I never miss it once with you guys
>>292207912Dogs didn't split from wolves that long ago and some people consider them a subspecies of wolves. If we're being fair they can interbreed with coyotes still too, so an argument could be made they should be considered subspecies rather than a different species entirely. I'd make the same argument for humans, they're obviously separated and genetically distinct populations, but they can interbreed so they're not completely different species. Scientifically speaking they qualify to be considered subspecies.
>>292208907>Responds to me saying he's pretending not to understand spectrums and proportion by pretending not to understand spectrums and proportion againLmao
the only real definition of a sexually reproducing species is the group of organisms that can reproduce and produce futile offspringthis is all to say that trannies will never be a human
>futile offspringkek
>>292209109i am low iq give me a break SIR
>>292200370>le based genocider was literally me
>>292200370everything about the ending is bizarre but even so the goyim eat the slop and clap "le based!!"""
>>292200370>80% of humans wiped out, Eldians are now left without power of titan shifting, and the whole world hates them 100 times more.The vast majority of modern societies outside of Eldia were razed to the ground. Not just destroyed, but literally every artifact and trace they ever even existed was stomped into the ground. The 20% of survivors were not just randomized across the globe. They would have been whichever corners of humanity were the furthest away from Eldia, with literally the entire globe between them. The surviving nations would have also been thrown into chaos, with their global supply and trade routs they rely on being entirely erased over night. And many of them were partially RUMBLING'd them selves, destroying huge amounts of their internal infrastructure and supply lines. The survivors would be at the complete opposite side of the world, squabbling among themselves for resources, and trying to reestablish order. The survivors would be reset back to the same level as Eldia, with slightly more tech, but also enemies all around them. Eldia on the other hand has been conditioned to operate as an isolationist nation. It would be like if Renascence Europe(the survivors) went to war with Feudal Japan(Eldia), while every land mass between them was reset to barren, inhospitable dirt, because the rumbling would have trampled not only humanity, but also every fucking plant and terrestrial animal
So the lesson of SnK is that japanese people should castrate themselves to pay for the evil deeds they did in WW2. Am I correct?
>>292209621if you think Isayama was trying to make any kind of point whatsoever, you're an idiot
>>292207576Every time lol
>>292209763Yeah he was not very subtle about it lmao
>>292200370you don't understand. main point was to give eren undignified end and show that his waifu got HORSED. it's that simple. everything else is irrelevant.
>>292200370The problem is just Eren. Everything about him is everything wrong with the plot. He wouldn't do any of that, and the author just said "uhhh he has to it's fate he literally HAS to yes he doesn't want to but he has no choice :)"The best ending would be Eren and the island actually learning from the wider world and further utilizing that knowledge during the rumbling. They understood military, tactics, the importance of the port, that sort of thing. Hell they crippled the port on purpose because they understood the significance of such a strategy. They could have crippled every country, then either declared themselves as rulers of the planet, or for the world to swear off conflict and for everyone to stay within their existing borders with no further invasions, and so no need for a military anymore. If anyone broke the rules Eldia would send titans to that country and rape it again. This would lead to corruption within Eldia one day, but the point is as we can see with the extinction of titans, the world is still a shithole that ends up in a world wide conflict eventually regardless. Humanity having titan power is a good thing, it gives them an edge once they colonize planets. So it's best to risk corrupt leadership every few generations than to get rid of titans altogether.
>>292200370As soon as Armin was chosen over Erwin is when the series started to go to shit.
>>292203557>He probably didn't have any kind of intended ending.This is demonstrably false, SNK is a ripoff of Muv Luv and all the important story beats are copied almost 1 for 1.You can also see Mikasa with short hair kill Eren in chapter 1, just like in the actual ending.Muv Luv not only has aliens eat humans, that's just superficial stuff. The important thing is that Muv Luv is a closed time loop caused by a girl and her love for someone.
BRING ME BIRDREN
>>292209649Well of course Isayama wasn't making any point. Telling something with his story would require for him to not be a retarded hack.
>>292206249What was good about it? I don't wanna read the whole thing
>>292207250>Race is a retarded social constructNah
She only existed for two chapters but my love for Frieda is eternal
>>292200828>>292204784For all you poltards know you don't even understand the basics of nations and dynamics between them, there's plenty of nations that not only deserve but are well overdue for being wiped out. You don't blame a pig or a bear for their sanitary role in the forest do you?
>>292203152Sometimes it is better not to reveal the mystery especially if the writer is a young amateur.
>>292208920Aw, you're young and naive. I remember those days.
>>292208605>centuries, if not thousands of yearsthe manga is the original source though
>>292210362>I remember those days.I guess for you it must have been, like, half a year ago. Don't worry, everybody had an edgy phase, I'm sure you'll grow out of it eventually.
>>292210406Ohhhh, gottem! You're so smart and mature anon!
>>292204766You're not alone...
>>292208920>>292210406You have to be early 20s, at the oldest. Still have that "i know better and more than everyone else" pompous delusion that most teenagers have. Don't worry, you'll learn out of it, one day.
>>292210559>pompous delusion that most teenagers haveBack in my days we used to call it chuunibyou.
>>292206249As much as I despise Armong, that thread brought up a good point about him. He definitely was the original true protagonist and should/could have lead the story to an actual satisfying conclusion.Zeke wants suicide, Eren wants genocide, neither of them care about anything but "finishing the problem" and are willing to do anything, sacrifice anything, to get there.But Armin wants to see the world, he wants to explore, to learn, to make friends. You can't do that if you're dead, you can't do that if the world is destroyed.Fundementally Eren and Zeke want 100% determinism, a final solution to all their problems. Armin doesn't want that, he doesn't want to ever reach the end, to solve anything, to be finished! It's a legitimate heartfelt, emotional and logical argument against both positions that's far more natural than either of them. Remember both Zeke and Eren are dead set on their plans because it's the only way to be absolutely "certain" about the outcome. But if you allow even a little bit of chance there are and infinite number of compromises! Like just do a partial rumbling and then remove the titan powers. Maybe the war won't end, maybe everyone will die eventually anyway, but maybe not, no one knows! No one can know even again because the future sight powers will be gone!
>>292209913>As soon as Armin was chosen over Erwin is when the series started to go to shitBut would Erwin be willing to help Eren with his plan though?
>>292200370But the ending is the trio self-inserting themselves into roles of a movie's main cast and bickering about the movie afterwards.
>>292210281control+f "grievance against"and then "saxon"
>>292210852Armin was building up to that before he got hit with the goyim extinction ray and got his brain turned into mushAnd I agree with the anon in that thread about the story changing course unnaturally, and it was supposed originally to be a lot longer so Isayama could explore the outside world, the past, and every option available to Paradis and the curse of YmirIt really does seem like the story went downhill after the Marley arc
I've also finished the anime this week, what a shitshow.I think if DNA alterations are possible, there could be better ways of solving the problem.>wish for the end of all Titans, instead of castration>wish that Eldian blood cannot be differentiated from goyim blood, so they can't be persecuted as easilyAt any rate, once Eren became edgy (with the ponytail) it went all to shit.I felt like the author had his hands as tied as the protagonist, because there is no way it can be that bad.The time paradox bullshit, the edgehog, the massive fight with infinite titans on the back of the big titan... it all felt meaningless.It was the same problem Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood had at the end, just all the heroes fighting against thousands of faceless, inhuman villains, removing any weight from the battle.Throw in a death or two to make it impactful, but spare most of the cast despite a history of killing characters to build an interesting setting.Executive meddling up the ass.Here's my tierlist btw.
>>292214152I should also say that it was terrifying to go back in the archives and read threads about the anime when the last episode came out.All these retards using Tumblr-tier acronyms as if they had human rights.>EH btfo by AAchads, Coperen and EM retards as stupid as BAcucksDisgusting.
