Why is digital seemingly incapable of coming close to analog / cel animation? Even at 100x+ higher budgets?
retard
You are making the mistake of thinking that they are trying to do the same thing.If the rules change, so does the game.Demanding that people continue playing the same game (or pretend to) when the underlying structure is fundamentally different, is dumb.Instead, you should ask, what criteria for good animation are you missing that they went for?For example, thick outlines and heavily saturated colors. A necessity in old anime:no longer necessary for new ones.WHY ARE THE OUTLINES NO LONGER THICK AND THE COLORS DESATURATED?Nobody knows.
AI will save ushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ypa-SjxkNU
>>292236213Hang everyone who bumps bad threads with bad posts.
>>292235543Digital is a set of tools. In the right hands it can match and even surpass the heights of cel animation. That is to say, it has everything to do with the artists behind it. The left is drawn by Yoh Yoshinari. The right is some gay 3D model posed by some overworked Jap in Maya.
>>292236167>You are making the mistake of thinking that they are trying to do the same thing.They should be trying to be good.
>>292236265>>292235543The actual real answer is ''THE RULES''Wonder why everything looks so bleached out and brightened up but action scenes are darken the fuck out, because the japanese felt for a scam accross the nation due to media stupidity and goverment overreach
>>292235543TRVKE
>>292236149We don't sign our posts here, zoomie.
>>292236265>Digital is a set of tools. In the right hands it can match and even surpass the heights of cel animation.So why don't they. It's been over 20 years since CGI became normalized and it feels like in a lot of ways it's gotten worse instead of better.
>>292235543>posts some shit from 2004Dumbass. They figured out digital colors long ago.
>>292235543(in)cel animation was surpassed by digital long ago, you just refuse to watch anything that isn't popular on TikTok
>>292236466its extremely rare for a modern anime to become even a tenth as noteworthy as evangerion to be fair
I don't care how good it is, they could put 1 billion dollars in this garbage and I wouldn't watch it.Time to retire the same old story, get new material, robofaggots, we've seen enough.
>>292235543>thread about animation>posts still imagesEvery time.
>>292236436budget shart. production committee whatever, you know already
>>292236167>You are making the mistake of thinking that they are trying to do the same thing.why do i give a shit what a company is "trying to do"?what i'm "trying to do" is watch good animation, and that's what matters to me.why do autistic 'people' always do this thing where they think companies are their friends, and act like we need to care more about a company's interests?
>>292236436A lot of what people love about traditional animation is the result of artistic biases of physical drawing and filming, some of which were always considered unfortunate side-effects, giving the same artists digital tools that can "fix" or bypass those side-effects will result in soulless work Think about film vs digital cameras, the colors and grain of film make it look warm and contrasty but it's also a side-effect that the directors and photographers didn't choose consciously, if you give them digital cameras they would have to go out of their way to create the same effects, and most are scared to death of losing visual information so they just keep everything clean and sterile
>>292236493still images with a slight pan or zoom represents like 90% of the screen time of most anime
>>292236519>budget shart.It has nothing to do with budgets, shows in the 90s were enormously cheaper than the hulking CGI turds they make today
>>292236265>The right is some gay 3D model posed by some overworked Jap in Maya.it was probably actually made by a vietnamese or korean or chinese guy like most anime made after the mid 2000s
Japs probably prefer digital, they often have shit taste like that.
>>292236550sorry I meant time and budget
>>292236580>sorry I meant time and budgetthat wouldn't be accurate either. just look at the OP comparison. evangelion was made on one of the worst timescales of all time in the history of animation, so bad that they had to make the finale in 4 days with crayons. the right, by comparison, had an infinite budget and indefinite development period of "it's done when it's done"the actual answer is that digitalization ruins everything
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>>292236521in this comparison you can also see another trait of modern anime (becoming puritanical and westernized)
In your comparison there's the fact art departments essentially died out in the 00's. Background art that's actually not fucking dogshit became specialized niche labor rather than the norm. Some dumb bitch farting around in photoshop will never be a real painter. This extends to how fucking bad composition has gotten in anime because the "photography" guy is just another retard in photoshop he just has a higher chance of having a penis. Further because the 3d model eva exists to save labor no one is going to open up a manual keyframe and shade it like a hand drawn anime. You have to think about the effort delta. Someone who is already drawing the eva by hand adding a handful of lines for a shade is expending, let's say 30% more effort than they would have. If someone is posing a reusable model that takes them a few seconds and going into the keyframe and shading it all up by hand takes minutes. It's well over 500% effort on a frame by frame basis. So no one fucking bothers.>>292236265Animals take the lazy way out. The lazy way being possible means the lazy way will be taken as a general rule. This has been true since we were little rats running around in game trails hiding from dinosaurs. We can still find game trails fossilized 60 million years later showing most animals taking the literal easy route.
>>292236600budget definitely reflects quality, its why anime movies are usually much higher budget
>>292236680>Further because the 3d model eva exists to save labor no one is going to open up a manual keyframe and shade it like a hand drawn anime. You have to think about the effort delta.the scene on the right took dozens of times more labor and money to create. so that it can look substantially worse.
16:9 is the devils aspect ratio
>>292236680>compositionThe bones of the composition in any given anime shot is determined by the storyboard, which has nothing to do with the art department/photography department>Some dumb bitch farting around in photoshop will never be a real painter. Retarded niggers always love to throw around the R word like there aren't amazing artists working exclusively in digital today. You don't know any "real" artists using those media because you don't follow artists period, you Mauritanian bottom-feeder. You just want to pose as being cultured for liking something older than you. Find something else to attach yourself to for clout
>japanese animevaseline filter as if someone smeared grease on the lens>japanese gamespiss filter
>>292235543It's because of pixels and electricity. The electricity in digital animation interrupts the artists' "essence" from being transmuted into the imagery
Well Anno would go on to direct Godzilla and Kamen Rider, so big budget simplicity is what all true warriors strive for!
>>292236889electrical infetterence
It's kinda funny in a way, I know it may not be the same people. But there's a humor in seeing people get mad and worried about how the west is trying to influence anime. And so they can only sit back and cry about the past because they'd be hypocrites for trying to make some influence as a foreigner.
>>292237750What's funny is you think that the fear of being a hypocrite would ever stop these people
>>292237750>>292237806what's funny is you're a retarded ESL replying to yourself
>292237846uh oh melty
I suppose a question in that regard, would you accept a change in the industry, economics and enough time to allow for cel animation to return with vigour if it meant accepting some western influences and sensibilities?
>>292236299Can you elaborate?
>>292237861>cel animation to return with vigour if it meant accepting some western influences and sensibilities???? why would these things be associated
>>292236419>zoomiewe don't sign our posts here>>292236561not even, a friend in my Uni has artist 3rd world friends he knows from school who literally get hired by Toei and make animation for One Piece and Dragon Ball. They unironically have official discord groups where they have to coordinatea and work. We are literally hat 3rd world fiverr levels of animation production.
>>292238461>They unironically have official discord groups where they have to coordinatea and work.Toei set this up? I mean, it's not terribly different from using Slack for a workplace is it?
>>292238482Sure but these guys are not even in Japan and never interacted with the company really. Basically Toei looks for freelancers who do the animation work for pennies, there is zero quality control, you could sat an imbecile there and they wouldn't realize it. It's not like these are majors from art school or have any kind of qualification. The only thing that matters is if you apply, have "artist" on your twitter and work almost for free, which are almsot exclusively thirdies. You can tell by the quality of stuff Toei shits out.
>>292238367Well, perhaps in this hypothetical western demand is what is fostering this environment for cel shading to be honed again.
>>292238626no they did it due to "cost" (actually just a desire to be seen as groundbreaking)
>>292238640A reason from the past doesn't mean it's the only way forward
>>292235543The right image comes from a film wherein the goal was complex animation rather than a detailed still. >>292236436Plenty have. Tetsunabe no Jan aired last season and is a beautiful anime that uses a lot of Dezaki techniques throughout its run- but the actual issue is that most of you just fetishize a vapid aesthetic rather than actually caring about technique and visuals.
>>292239744the right image is a dwelling/panning shot with no animation
>>292235543because cel animation is shit
>>292239751The overall scene retard.
>>292239769the overall scene has just as much animation in the original
>>292235543>>292236608The actual issue is that nobody knows how to do lighting anymore and this isn't even an anime issue. Nobody in gaming can either
>>292236265Close. The truth is an animation studio has a team of 10 working together while because of the computer there is only 3. That level of quality accountability becomes very thin.
Notice how there's always one faggot constantly necrobumping the shittest threads
>>292235543Retard.
>>292235543Anon, despite this board being named /a/ - Anime & Manga, this is not the best place to discuss the actual technicality of anime production.Everyone is super retard here.>https://youtu.be/ueB0oNajuEg?t=53
>>292240319that's cel animation retard
>>292240429See?This is why I said everyone is the super retard here.>https://youtu.be/t6ju8O7a89g?t=334
>>292240466yes it is new cel animation, they do this, you are retarded
>>292240429It's not. That's from a special that released this year and is entirely digitally animated.
>>292240602>and is entirely digitally animatedno it isn't. why do you just make up shit in your brain and pretend you know what you're talking about?
>>292240616>make up shitMaking up shit would be claiming it's cel animated, something that would be bordering impossible and unfeasible for a scene of that duration given how traditional animation materials have been discontinued and are no longer produced.It's just digital animation with various visual effects and filters.
>>292240658>Making up shit would be claiming it's cel animated, something that would be bordering impossible and unfeasible for a scene of that duration given how traditional animation materials have been discontinued and are no longer produced.you are mentally retarded, it's celluloid film and paint and a film camera. there are studios that still have these set up. khara has done cel shorts for years for their 'classic-style' ads
>>292240466Why couldnt they make the whole thing look like >>292240319? Why did they need to do the dogshit Rebuild style when the entire scene is supposed to be within TV Instrumentation (God, talking about EVA in modern times sounds schizophrenic)
>>292240677>Why couldnt they make the whole thing look like >>292240319?It's cel animation. They are ok with doing 30 seconds of cel animation but not 7 hours of it. There aren't that many people who are good at it anymore that still work in the industry
>>292240672>you are mentally retarded, it's celluloid film and paint and a film camera.It literally cannot be as the materials used to produce those, including the specific (toxic) paints and the celluloids themselves are no longer produced in great enough quantities. Sayonara Lara could only afford to have about five seconds of cel animation for its opening last season, for example. This is because these materials are not available in great quantities anymore.>khara has done cel shorts for years for their 'classic-style' adsThose are also digital animation. For example on the process:>Then, Mr. Matsui briefly explained the effects used in After Effects to create a "degraded" look, saying, "You degrade the image by shrinking the original image and then enlarging it. Then you duplicate the same image, place it below, shrink it vertically, and add noise to further enhance the degraded look. Finally, you create separate images with different R, G, and B color tones and slightly shift them, so the left side becomes yellowish and the right side becomes bluish." With that, the seminar came to a close.It's just mimicking how it looked.
>>292240745you are writing fanfiction about a piece of shinethrough celluloid art"j-japan lost the ability to make celluloid and ink"just LOL. nothing more to say but LOL
>>292240759>you are writing fanfiction about a piece of shinethrough celluloid artYou realize that you can just mimic that, right?Which is what was done.The scene was made to parody an existing scene from the original TV anime.>"j-japan lost the ability to make celluloid and ink"No you dumbass fucking retarded spic.The issue is NOBODY MAKES THOSE MATERIALS ANYMORE.
>>292240773>You realize that you can just mimic that, right?it's sort of like how you can mimic having any shadow of a clue what you're talking about kek>J-JAPAN CAN'T MAKE CELLULOID AND INK! it's harder than antimatter! impossible! there isn't a single droplet of ink left in japan!
>>292240789I posted a direct fucking quote where they explained the process, because you can just mimic anything if that is your desire and what you want to achieve with digital animation. The scene posted in the special is a very short scene that is 1:1 with the same scene from Evangelion with only a couple changes (namely Asuka). >>J-JAPAN CAN'T MAKE CELLULOID AND INK! it's harder than antimatter! impossible! there isn't a single droplet of ink left in japan!You need people to make the materials. Khara doesn't make paint, they don't have a fucking paint factory in the back. I feel like this should be obvious.Here, a list of things that Khara would need to make or commission themselves to do this with cel (even after I've already demonstrated a counter argument to your point, directly showing they use digital animation for this, and you have provided zero evidence otherwise):>CelluloidsThese have not been made in Japan for over 30 years.>Specialized paintsBasically stopped being produced in significant quantities around the same time, and the last producer of them ceased production when Sazae-san switched to digital in the early 2010s.>Specialized equipmentYou better hope Anno raided Gainax when he left, because none of that is made or maintained anymore. It's not just "put the cel in front of a camera BRO".So, essentially, EVERY PART OF THE PRODUCTION is no longer being made and hasn't been made for decades. And I know, that despite having fucked you in the ass with this, destroyed every point you made, you will still insist because you're a depraved autist.
>>292240860entire post of fanfiction because you've backed yourself into a retardation corner. very sad!can't wait for your next brick of seething assurances that you've personally taken stock of japan's inventories of celluloid sheets and ink and made sure none exist or are made
>>292240934You have zero proof to your claims.I have posted a direct quote that completely contradicts your conceptualization of Khara's production.I have posted undeniable facts about cel animation.Your only argument is vibes.
>>292240948>You have zero proof to your claims.your 'proof' of something fictional you decided in your diseased brain is "I think, like, japan doesn't make ink anymore, or something, probably!"kek
>>292240948based
>>292240745>Then, Mr. Matsui briefly explained the effects used in After Effects to create a "degraded" look, saying, "You degrade the image by shrinking the original image and then enlarging it. Then you duplicate the same image, place it below, shrink it vertically, and add noise to further enhance the degraded look. Finally, you create separate images with different R, G, and B color tones and slightly shift them, so the left side becomes yellowish and the right side becomes bluish." With that, the seminar came to a close.This is just describing how you get high-quality modern digital imagery to have the old artifacts you'd expect on 90s equipment. There's also no source for this "quote" anyway.The short is really obviously made on cels
>>292240961Do you think cel animation can be done with any kind of paint? You know less than nothing holy shit, you're probably living in a house that's covered in led paint based on these posts.Anyways, you can just look it up. Materials stop being produced when they stop being used. Digital animation was more cost effective (and involved less toxic elements). No studios used cel animation, and the few that did / could afford to were big studios like TMS. The materials for creating anime using celluloid film decreased to fit the market, and eventually, even those big studios stopped using them, and so the market disappeared, and thus, these production materials are no longer made.>>292240987>This is just describing how you get high-quality modern digital imagery to have the old artifacts you'd expect on 90s equipment.Like in the webm that was posted earlier. Retard.>The short is really obviously made on celsIt is huh?The entire rest of the short is blatant digital animation. I know you haven't watched it, but you can, it's on youtube.
>>292241008>>292241008>Like in the webm that was posted earlier.Yes you have to use a digital camera to scan cels, you can not just teleport it magically to being anime. Today they'll just use high-quality cameras to scan the film and then introduce the old digital artifacts in post. There is also still no source for your 'quote' that also doesn't support anything you said to begin with, silly>The entire rest of the short is blatant digital animation.What does this have to do with the 20 second segment designed to reproduce an old eva cel scene?
>>292241008>You know less than nothing holy shit, you're probably living in a house that's covered in led paint based on these posts.hahah you can't even spell basic words like "lead"can't wait for you to spew 8 paragraphs about how its actually spelled "led" and how you have secret proof that the letter 'a' isn't made anymore and we can't use the old stock! kek
>>292241054>Yes you have to use a digital camera to scan cels,No.>Today they'll just use high-quality cameras to scan the film and then introduce the old digital artifacts in post.No.There is no "today they'll" whatever for cel animation because it isn't done anymore. Again, you can't prove this is cel animation first of all, so you're arguing in bad faith with no evidence from the base of your idea, but we have an example of an anime going out of its way to use cel animation.That is Sayonara Lara. They produced roughly five seconds of cel animation and it was a momentous task that took a lot of effort to even accomplish, it's an entire special bonus feature on the first BD Box apparently. >The footage reveals that the team first had to search for a cinematographer and equipment capable of shooting cel animation. When they finally located suitable gear, they discovered the batteries were dead and the machinery was broken — meaning repairs had to come before a single frame could be shot.>What does this have to do with the 20 second segment designed to reproduce an old eva cel scene?The point is that you never watched it and know nothing about and are full of shit and just a retard who talks about things he knows nothing about, and the world would be a better place if you shot yourself head right now, but alas.Continue just going off vibes or whatever, NEVER POST EVIDENCE. I know you can't look anything up, you're a crippled retard invalid, so that's impossible for you.>>292241073Oh no, I didn't type a single letter, this disproves my argument which is verifiable by just googling what I say and seeing that yes, supply only exists if there is demand.
>>292241163autism victim with fullblown delusions and/or a humiliation fetishkek
>>292241181>no argumentI won.
>>292241163>Again, you can't prove this is cel animation first of all,You made the argument that it's digital so the burden of proof is on you, that's how that works, silly!Unfortunately you'll be stuck having meltdowns forever because it's cel animation
>>292241163>That is Sayonara Lara. They produced roughly five seconds of cel animationwait i thought celluloid film and ink and film cameras and scanners had gone extinct and it was no longer physically possible to ever make cel animation?? you said all of this earlier, but suddenly it is being done again? this is weird, mixed signals here
>>292236493Well, no one wants to see that 3+1 fight.
>>292241163>Goodbye Lara's cel animation scenes were handled by T2 Studio.>google 'did t2 studio work on the asuka short?'kekhey look its cel animation like everyone told you, autist
>>292241201>You made the argument that it's digital so the burden of proof is on you,Actually, you made the argument that it was cel animation over here >>292240429 (inb4 "that's not me", that is still the original argumentative response to someone posting modern digital animation). The webm was posted by another anon countering a prior claim, and your response was to claim it was cel animation.There is nothing indicating this of course, or that Khara has the facilities to produce extensive scenes of cel animation. This is a scene inside a fully digitally animated production, and digital animation is able to replicate the aesthetic and look of cel animation should the time and effort be invested into doing so. >>292241219I know you're stupid, but it being an entire journey to create five seconds of animation is PROOF that it's dead, as well as proof that it's physically impossible to create complex scenes using cel animation, as the materials are limited. If you look at what was made using cel animation for Sayonara Lara, it's all largely simplistic with a limited variety of colours due to lacking materials.>>292241253Damn dude, I guess Area 88, Aria, Attack on Titan, Bad Girl, Barakamon, Bayonetta, every Bleach movie and the TV series, Blood+, Blue Drop, Apothecary Diaries, and a million other shows all also had cel animation.If you actually look at what they worked on, it was photography.>inb4 "well uh, cel animation involves photography, so-"Then they would be credited as animators. Photography is a completely different role, unless you want to believe Eureka Seven, The Fable, Fairy Tail, Flip Flappers, and every Evangelion Rebuild Film all also had cel animation. Again, you're allergic to research, you completely failed at this and only ruined any point you wanted to make.
>>292241293No, silly, you posted it as an example of 'digital animation that looks like cel' here >>292240319 then you were correctly told it's cel animation. Which it is, lol!
>>292241293>but it being an entire journey to create five seconds of animationIt's not a journey, one guy at T2 did it for both Eva and Goodbye Lara lol
>>292236521Cel looks so much better it's sickening, sad to see westoids ruining anime by pushing for worse shows so they can have more seasonal garbage
>>292241313I didn't post that actually, someone else did. Ignoring that though, you have to prove it's cel animation. There is nothing to suggest it isn't digital animation, because it is a cut from a digitally animated production. You cannot provide any staff commentary proving that it's cel animation. Ergo, you lost the argument. It's on you to prove that it isn't digital, because it exists in a modern digital production.>>292241323>It's not a journey,I know you're also illiterate now, because I posted both a direct quote from an article on Sayonara Lara, as well as highlighted how a bonsu feature on BD Box 1 is dedicated to showing how they got those five seconds of animation made. Anyways, I won. You've made no argument and only lied and debased yourself this entire time, and you will never prove anything you have said right.The fact of the matter is this animation cut exists in a modern, 2026 DIGITAL anime. There is no staff or production insight showcasing this is anything but Khara continuing to make digital animation that looks like cel animation. Which has always been possible, someone already posted the Gundam Wing Anniversary video that also did that earlier in the thread.You're just in denial because you're some kind of autistic freak.I won. You lost.
>>292241354>Ignoring that though, you have to prove it's cel animation.Uhh no, you have to prove it's digital, since that was your argument sillyhead! Sadly it's been proven several times now that it's cel animation (which, of course, anyone with an IQ above 70 could tell to begin with) :)
>>292241370https://soranews24.com/2021/05/13/studio-ghibli-helped-create-final-evangelion-movie-since-no-one-else-had-the-right-machine%E3%80%90vid%E3%80%91/There is actually one instance of cel animation in Evangelion- though it's 3.0+1.0. And Khara literally DID NOT have the facilities to produce it, they had to go to Ghibli. It's also not painted cels either, it's for the sketch scenes.The fact alone that Ghibli is not credited then on the 30th Anniversary video, should also prove my point.In addition, you mentioned the "classic style ads" before, I was confused if I missed something but I didn't. You're just blind I guess, those were obviously made with modern animation production techniques.
>>292241502Proven to be cel animation, not reading your post! Calm down and accept the loss!
>>292241615I accept your concession.
>>292235543Dumbass
>>292241757back to the DBZ thread kiddo
>>292243180is that why they did it just fine for 50+ years with lower budgets?
>>292243189>they did it just fineNobody in Japan wants to work 20h a day like in the 80s anymore.
>>292243219The bubble popped in the 80s and the most beautiful shows ever were animated in the late 90s
>>292243180>>292243219They don't work fewer hours, they just produce more shows
>>292236436Anime is dogshit and you're an idiot for expecting anything even approaching the 90s.
>>292241620NTA but you're not nearly as smart as you think if you couldn't realize the guy was vagueposting and baiting youLearn to reign in your ego
>>292243180It's not a matter of difficulty, the problem is nobody is trained to do it anymore. It's a global problem, Disney animators have talked about this as well and on The Simpsons DVD commentaries they explained the reason they switched to digital is because the new animators coming out of school literally do not know how to do cel animation. Anime is the same. We've reached the point where if you go to school to study animation, even the teaching staff doesn't know anything except digital, so there's nobody to even learn from. The problem is compounded by the fact that you have to hand your work off to inbetweeners in Korea, so you would need both Japanese and Koreans trained in the old ways. That basically doesn't exist anymore.
>>292235543Don't worry, AI will make this possible with only few thousand bucks by 2030.
>>292243550>on The Simpsons DVD commentaries they explained the reason they switched to digital is because the new animators coming out of school literally do not know how to do cel animation.it's because of "futurism", if something is newer and seems more futuristic it will just end up getting panic-adopted in the hopes that "it will soon be as good as the old thing"then it continues on momentum once it turns out it will never be as good as the old thing
>>292243189>they did it just fine for 50+ years with lower budgetsSure anon, sure...
>>292243888not watching your cherrypicked webm enjoy your CGI slop though
>>292243892Feel free to post your own cherrypicking.Also>calling a hand drawn animation a CGIlmao
>>292243910i'm not a subhuman ESL like you so i think i'll just hide your posts instead! :)
>>292243918>i'm not a subhuman ESLYeah, you sure do sound like a streetshitter jeet who proudly claim to be native english speaker..
>>292243974>who proudly claim to behe proudly claim it!sir!HOW CAN HE CLAIM
>>292235543Everything made by cel can be replicated with digital.
>>292237921I think he's talking about the infamous Pokemon episode that caused over 600 kids across Japan to be hospitalized for seizures and as many as 12,000 more reporting more minor issues like dizziness, nausea, and headaches, as the "scam." He's clearly fucking retarded, but the episode did cause Japan's government to set standards for flashing lights and if it crossed a certain threshold, it would have to be dimmed to greatly reduce the risk of epileptic seizures.So yes, it's government mandated, but it's mandated to prevent another epidemic of epileptic fits.
>>292244163People who seize out over some flashing lights deserve to die. This is just dysgenic
>>292236757Correct. 9x16 is the way. It's high time for anime to be made for modern audiences: phones
>>292243686AI will make 10 seconds of fake film grain and random line boil possible, then every studio will use it to cut the last 3 people who knew how to composite. It won't bring back layouts, color sense, or directors with taste. You will get 90s filter slop over dead-eyed gacha character designs and call it a renaissance.
>>292243550>>292243696The only not braindead posts in this thread.
>>292236757true
>>292243386I accept your concession.
>>292241331Not every cel is 35mm sakura cel
>>292235543The fact digital animation CAN actually look like cel animation and it's actually not even difficult to pull off pisses me off because that means every cartoon and anime over the past 25 years deliberately chose to look like shit
>>292236419>-oomie/-oomerYou're younger than the people you're mocking, retard.
>>292235543>animation>posts a stillUnderage celteen thread.Now post a TV anime from the cel era with animation like this.
>>292244802>it's actually not even difficult to pull off pisses me off because that means every cartoon and anime over the past 25 years deliberately chose to look like shitDigital anime does not look like cel anime for the same reason that 90s cel anime does not look like 70s cel anime.Stop being a fucking retard.If you ask most Japanese people they think that cel anime looks cheap and outdated.
>>292240860>These have not been made in Japan for over 30 years.Daicel still makes them, theres no market so they only make small amounts but they could do so if requested. Any acrylic paint manufacturer could produce the vinyl paint that was commonly used on a lot of old animations.I don't care about your feud with the other guy but that part is incorrect. There is a difference between no large market exists for this product over the can never make that product.
>>292235543Why was cel seemingly incapable of coming close to digital animation?
>>292235543>celMade by passionate enthusiasts eager to innovate and push the medium to its limits>digitalMade by jaded degree mill cattle desperate to pay their rent
>>29224496915 year olds can just make up animation history
>>292244802>anime over the past 25 years deliberately chose to look like shitHave you consider that maybe you're the one who have a shit taste for preferring the outdated style of animation?
>>292244856>2001>>292244961>2009post good digital animation from the current decade
>>292236757Anime should have stuck to 4:3 yes
>>292245079Sure!What are some 80s-90s cel TV series with animation like this?
>>292245139literally any 80s gundam
>>292245168Here's your """80s gundam""" you fucking tourist.
>>292235543Not sure why computer animation is so bad other than it's the method.You had people in a room drawing these cel scenes and talking constantly with supervisors and directors and whatnot with the original Eva.Modern eva is nothing like that. A lot of it is outsourced. You get communication breakdowns and there's a lot of time issues with sending the scenes to the supervisors and whatnot, despite it all being digital now. I get this all the time with digital collaboration programs, discord especially (the worst was skype lol). It's just better having people in one centralised location for making quality anything, let alone animation. This is why our products globally suck nowadays. Nothing is centralised, yet somehow every step is controlled by a monopoly.Part of the reason is obvious:>the raw resources are not in one placeBut a lot of the issues are socially installed and have nothing to do with raw resource locations. With anime, the disjunction between what the directors and key animators/supervisors want is more obvious post 1995ish. It's just too expensive now for some corporations, though I have issues with Khara who had megabudgets.
>>292236696Is that why Cameron's Avatar is so amazing and not incredibly shit with the poor use of CGI and stupid designs?
>>292245272extremely long production time
>>292236757Sometimes it works with the "pill box" effect. Other times it makes shows look stupid and try hard.Slayers in 16:9 looked god awful.We really need to learn when to use 16:9 and 4:3. Also wider formats.
>>292239817Nobody knows it in movies either, all digital shit pales to old tech.
>>292245179>we lost this SOUL.I would take this over the disorientating crap they pull nowadays. There are times for this, there are times when people want a classic puppet show.Thunderbolt Fantasy taught me this.
>>292235543if cel is superior than why did it die a bitch death?
We need to go back to puppets.
>>292245447Because computers were so well marketed to people that people honestly thought they improved anything they were used for back in the day. AND they made things easier.The latter is correct, but that ease had consequences.I'm steering more and more away from DAWs for music for a reason. It's just a better method. It sucks though and is a pain in the ass, but it just werks better. You start listening to the music instead of checking monitors on screen. I imagine Cel animation was the same. Of course, standards required the monitors in the 90s I'll bet so the transition HAD to happen. It was just going to be a night mare to deal with otherwise. Especially after "that" episode of pokemon that gave people seizures. >nowadays it's actually worse and people just don't care now, so the initial reasoning for the change is just simply ignored nowSociety is strange sometimes. You could argue this was EEE, but I doubt it. I think the popularity of anime and the use of things like streaming platforms made the numbers of things to check so great that people stopped cracking down on it.AI does fuck all too for this. It's made it worse somehow. I swear DRM is now becoming less of a problem in the past few months because the AI degenerates itself and loses track of what it needs to do. AI dementia. Just like people and systems in general.Some people argue that Cel animation declined in the 90s itself too. I think that's partially correct. The technique definitely reached peak in the 80s early 90s and then streamlining happened, eventually digitization. Streamlining is sometimes good, sometimes fucking abysmal (mainly bad).Some trains are getting shitter and shitter nowadays I swear. Rickety, slow and crap compared to 80s/90s/00s trains.>also inflation and ponzi economics
>>292236521Hebe Sakura thighs
>>292245179Maybe Cel has a higher peak with absurd amounts of effort(REDLINE) but overall the move to digital was a good thing and people saying otherwise are ignoring all the slop of the old days
Another retarded thread.
>>292245531Cel died because the materials started to die in the mid 90's, the biggest manufacturer closed doors and the alternatives sucked, so supply was limited and companies started migration to digital. Toei did it in 1997, during the 90's Kitaro run.
Average anons wholly unfamiliar with their own hobby never questioning why the whole industry switched over in 2000: the company that produces cels announced it was ending production, forcing everyone to switch.
>>292246301Redline was digital.
Turn out that cel isn't really as superior as anon claim to be if a single manufacture shut down was enough to killed the medium and no one else want to step up to take on the mantel.
>>292246690>>292246711you can buy cels right now, they didn't mysteriously disappear on jan 1st 2000 its just cheaper to composite a digital file than it is to film cels stacked on a nicker background
>>292246930redline was hand drawn
>>292244820Nah I'm 50, lil bud.
>>292236493Shingekijôban EVA 01 looks like he is flying in motion lol, awful scene. Do like the drills from the angel tho.
>>292243888Why current directors think stretching a sequence like a one piece scene looks cool? Or do kids like those crappy longass one piece luffy vs dragon thing epilepsy battles?
>>292246969Most digital anime is hand drawn, you fucking dingus. Key frames are drawn physically and scanned digitally. Redline's no different, except all of the in-betweens are drawn physically as well. This isn't unique to Redline btw, plenty of digital anime do this. However Redline is unique as the only digital feature length film of its caliber to do this all the way through.
IT'S SHIT.
>>292246957And the good cels died, the alternatives for animation didn't work as it should and was a waste of money.
>>292247029all non ai animation is still hand drawn because somebody still needs to use their hands to create it even if the medium is digital, they still use the exact same skills
>>292247140>alternatives for animation didn't workif there was demand there would have been supply, the companies dialed back due to demand shrink because digital was already inevitable and people kept using cels for years after that regardless up until 2003
>>292235543They want to make money not good stuff. They are getting better at it.
Something can only be endearing when their laws are obvious.The issue with digital is that it sands down most o the little unintended imperfections o a physical medium so it creates a bigger emotional distance within the artist and the viewer.
When they put out this little Gundam animation, they showed us they can make stuff look like the 90s when they really feel like it.
>>292247029>Key frames are drawn physically and scanned digitally.I've heard that the amount of digital key animation exceeded traditional around 2020-2023. It's mostly older animators still drawing on paper.
>>292235543Its just low saturation, contrast and a single reflective white highlight.AI will just solve the issue of modern unskilled japs.
>>292247063she fell in love with him after that btwI wonder how Bright and Cameron felt about that years later
>>292245014>>292244890mentally ill samefag dbzpig
>>292235543because they are putting 100000x less effort
>>292250354
>>292250439faggot kill yourself
>>292250453
There's some retard who's been in this thread for like days now posting the same "digital looks better! everyone thinks so! cel sucks!" samefag posts in the same heavily autistic grammar. Strange how /a/ attracts such mentally ill tards
REMINDER:This Old vs Bad discourse only exists in Western spheres.Most Japanese people literally don't care.Go to any Japanese messageboard or imageboard like 5ch or 2chan and they do not have daily "cel versus digital" spam threads. Hell, not even weekly.Look at any fucking animator or director who animated both during the cel era and digital era and you won't find anybody lamenting the death of cel. Instead, you'll find nothing but praise for digital.When 1990s and 1980s artstyles appear in modern anime, it's treated as a novelty. Usually it's a gag (as in that one skit in Pop Team Epic or some artstyle change in a moe comedy) or it's a literal gimmick (Shinsei Galverse). We've had anime THIS decade done in actual cels (Dungeons & Television, small bits and pieces of Sayonara Lara) and the artstyle never magically changed to look like a 90s anime, it still looks like modern anime.
>>292250493>"cel sucks"Literally nobody is saying this, celteen. I guarantee I watch and enjoy more cel anime than you.Cel animation can often be beautiful. Being beautiful isn't, however, exclusive to cel anime. Not that you'd know since you """people""" spend more time complaining about anime than actually watching anime, old or modern.
>>292250716>>292250591autistic samefag lolcow with 100 posts in the thread agreeing with itself that no-one reads
>>292250493>StrangeOnly if that's your first day on the website
>>292236521everything you said is irrelevant to the argument, an animator can try to do anything, that doesn't mean they're "seemingly incapable of" doing what they're not trying to do, and nobody gives a flying fuck about what matters to you personallywhy do autistic 'people' always do this thing where they miss the entire fucking argument to begin with and go on some retarded rant about what shitty metal they want while panning in a river downstream from an outhouse?
>>292250734You should actually fucking learn what samefagging means.Fuck off back to whatever website you crawled out from if you're not willing to actually have a discussion and are busy accusing everybody who disagrees with you as being one person.My first post ITT was >>292244856
>>292250902you aren't fitting in tourist retard
>>292250918There's literally no fucking point in arguing with you because you're convinced that everybody who disagrees with you is a part of some secret samefag conspiracy to gaslight you.
>>292250953uhhh but you are an extremely obvious samefag and avatarfagone of the tells is you spam "fucking" in every post, because you're a 13yo spic whose mommy beats him if he curses irl so you get it out of your system irlsee:>>292236680>actually not fucking> fucking bad>no one fucking bothers.>>292240773>>292240860>No you dumbass fucking retarded>I posted a direct fucking>they don't have a fucking paint factory and like a dozen more posts. like i said you don't fit in. i strongly suggest killing yourself as everyone can tell you spam threads with desperate attempts to agree with yourself (baby's first experience with anonymity)
>>292251063Funnily enough, none of the posts you responded to are me.
>>292251080yeah crazy man you learned to press the little checkbox that removes the (You) from a post, that's cool, anyway kill yourself ok? upload a vid of it too, we'll give you the attention you craved all this time
>>292251093You're genuinely mentally ill and there's no point arguing with you.I'll just repeat that not once in this thread have I ever responded to myself or presented myself as two different people and you're just a paranoid faggot.
>>292251126>You're genuinely mentally ill
>>292251147Adopt a trip so I can filter you faggot
>>292251126isn't it crazy how all these people agreeing with you went away as soon as you were accused of samefagging and now it's just you spamming the thread, desperately avatarfagging as you try to scream and proclaim that you're not samefagging? kek
>>292235543I despise the lighting in modern /a/, /v/ and /tv/. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
>>292251329low-contrast vaseline-lens jerky CGI is DA FUTUREEEEEEEE we have to double and triple down on it! what if it eventually becomes good and we're left behind
>>292251180Why the fuck do you care who agrees or disagrees with you? Do you think this is reddit? twitter?
>>292251437>Why the fuck do you care who agrees or disagrees with youwhy do you care so much that you've shat up the thread with a hundred or more posts agreeing with yourself and spamming the word "fuck" / "fucking" in every post due to your mental illness and low IQ?
>>292251454>hundred or more postsI count 16.
>>292251475put on a tripcode faggot no one cares
>>292251500If you don't care this much you can always just click the big red X in the corner of your screen you literal retard. Maybe you can actually create a legitimate cel anime discussion thread where people actually discuss thigns they like for a change instead of your usual low quality OLD GOOD NEW BAD spam.
>>292236167>>292236299>>292236665Anon is right. It's the rules. In matter of fact, rules are set by a reign. Another word for reign is era.The problem is the modern era. A systematic view of audiences and incentives created by the post-digital/modern era can help explain why many sense that modern anime is artistically slop and soulless.Digital animation is capable of looking like cel animation. While some artists were incapable of coping with the shift in tools, other artists purposely chose to make modern/digital anime look different from pre-modern anime.A key problem is that modern and global audiences demand and accept slop. Previously, only otaku and children watched anime. Children were the functionally mindless money that supported the otaku whom anime was made for. Otaku actually understand beauty and aestheticism in ways normies cannot. The popular anime from the pre-modern era reflected otaku's taste. Now, the popular anime looks soulless (regarding colors, lines, and even content) because otaku were abadoned for global/modern audiences.Looking at the rulers, the modern reign (e.g., the government's weak yen, domestic TV stations' regulations, and foreign platforms' regulations) has created incentives that ensure most expression is oppositional to beauty and artistry. Modern anime, made with compliance, has been standardized by rules. The regulation and stardardization of flashing lights (see >>292244163) were just one of many examples.With compliance to the modern era, any return to pre-digital expression and any hope for a future is killed. With standardization, noncompliance is eliminated. The pre-digital era created beauty and art with experimentation. Standards are fundamentally opposed to art. In the digital era, everything has become quantified and standardized by the rulers.>>292243974>pic>Dragon Quest DaiYes, old is good and new is bad. Fuck the Reiwa Era. With standardization, it restricts beauty and artistry like in picrel.
>>292251881>The pre-digital era created beauty and art with experimentation. Standards are fundamentally opposed to art. In the digital era, everything has become quantified and standardized by the rulers.You say this as if anime's most experimental/expressive/diverse era in terms of sheer quantity of shows doing unique, non-standard, or odd things with their plots, story structures, and artstyles wasn't the 2000s.
>>292252118>You say this as if anime's most experimental/expressive/diverse era in terms of sheer quantity of shows doing unique, non-standard, or odd things with their plots, story structures, and artstyles wasn't the 2000s.that's correct, it was the 90s.the early 2000s was the era of remaking Chobits and Evangelion over and over
>>292252148also i especially dunno how anyone can say it was the 2000s when the 90s was the era of spamming experimental OVAs whereas that totally died by the 2000s
>>292252118I think the 2000s are an in-between era. Therefore, it's neither the digital era or the analog era. I also think 80s and 90s anime, inlcuding OVAs, was more experimental. However the 2000s was far more diverse.
>>292252148>it was the 90sFucking lel, the first half of the 90s was a literal fucking dark age for anime because of a combined double whammy of the economic bubble popping and the otaku murderer demonizing otaku.Literally just fucking compare the line-up of TV anime and OVAs from the 80s or late 90s/early 2000s to the piss-poor line-up of the early 90s. The early 90s was fucking full of extremely safe children's anime and shonen/shoujo adaptions because it became taboo to outwardly pander solely to otaku for a while. You'd occassionally get good TV shows like Tylor or Nadia but the early 90s was a fucking sea of the most random shit nobody fucking cares about like Tomatoman or Cooking Papa.OVAs for the most part, instead of doing anything interesting like their 80s or late 90s/early 2000s counterparts, were restricted to largely doubling down on pandering to otaku and becoming full-blown action ecchi series, or unfinished adaptions of manga.Anything truly ambitious from this era was either a movie, or LoGH, but LoGH was a lightning in a bottle.Everything good about the late 90s was largely due to the creation of the Late Night TV slot, which allowed an avenue to pander to otaku with larger budgets again and have anime with fully realized, fleshed out stories instead of unfinished OVAs that often just ended abruptly 1-3 episodes in, and the effects of that carried over from 1996 to 2012ish rather than just cutting off in the year 2000. Everything that was good, diverse and experimental about late 90s carried over into the 2000s and very early 2010s.
>>292252260>I think the 2000s are an in-between era. Therefore, it's neither the digital era or the analog eraIt's incredible how discourse has gone from "anime died in the 2000s" to "actually the 2000s weren't bad."Almost everything you people complain about in modern anime was present in the 2000s.
>>292252372>OVAs for the most part, instead of doing anything interesting like their 80s or late 90s/early 2000s counterparts, were restricted to largely doubling down on pandering to otakuyou're one of those mentally ill 2024 netflix retards
>>292252467I've never watched Netflix in my life.
>>292252485just liek you havent spammed the thread with a quadrillion retarded samefag posts that were immediately hidden
^ Not even going to bother responding at this point. If you're not going to talk about anime, don't respond to me at all.
>>292252549probably time to kill yourself samefagtard
>>292251063Retard
>>292252694you aren't fitting in sweetie
>>292251881>Yes, old is good and new is badThe new Dai anime is way better, t. DQ fan that got into it through Dai.The original Dai anime was disappointing to watch after reading the manga. Chock full of ill-fitting music from the games and it failed to adapt the best parts of the manga.If I wanted to jerk off to Maam's panties, I'd go on fucking pixiv.
>>292252725You've spent multiple days spamming this thread with stupid posts and calling everyone else a samefag. You've probably made at least a hundred posts in this thread alone, and have said absolutely nothing of value.
>>292252783Don't bother responding to him.
>>292252783>You've spent multiple days spamming this thread with stupid postsyou sure have done that, retard!
>>292236521>>292236539>>292236600>>292236818>>292237858>>292239751>>292240429>>292240481>>292241181>>292243189Samefag
>netflix shounentard melting down and spamming the thread on his phonekek, pure mental illness
>>292252876Sounds like I was right, samefag-kun. Enjoy your echo chamber.
>>292252804Don't mind me, just posting within a minute of the other guy so you'll stop accusing us of being the same people.I told you so faggot.>>292252749I love the new Dai as well but any kind of censorship should never be defended and you should kill yourself for taking such a dumb stance.
>>292252911>>292252923>me and my phone are so on the same wavelength in this dead thread i've been spamming nonstop!netflixies are really not well in the brain
>>292252923>but any kind of censorship should never be defended and you should kill yourself for taking such a dumb stance.I just don't really give a shit.What I like about Dai isn't a brief shot of some panties, what I like are the characters and story and themes of the work. I also understand that the 90s are not today and broadcasting standards change.
his ass is ravaged
>>292252960Any kind of censorship, no matter how small, shouldn't be defended.I agree that it's not the end of the world and the modern Dai is better than the 90s Dai, and that Dai is not remotely an ecchi series to the point you can count all ecchi scenes from the manga on your hands, but censorship is censorship.The manga had these scenes, the 90s adaption had these scenes (it even made-up anime original ecchi scenes too), while the modern Dai scrubbed them/toned them down.In that regard it's objectively worse. Not the entire adaption, but you shouldn't handwave it off or be okay with the removal of ecchi scenes simply because the source isn't primarily ecchi.
thread proves that cel animation is superior simply by being an elegant example of the touristfaggotry and autism that is endemic among the "i love modern shounen!" camp
>>292235543Holy fuck cel looks like shit.
>>292253050nobody cares schizo
>>292253098Put on a tripcode and stop avatarfagging as anime girls, it reeks of latent transgenderism
>>292235543>Why is digital seemingly incapable of coming close to analog / cel animation?Most people who post like this haven't actually seen many older anime. The vast majority of them were pretty shoddily animated, and I'm speaking to TV shows here, not films and OVAs.Overall, right now, we get higher quality better looking anime productions airing on TV in greater numbers than we did before, because not every production was headed by a guy like Dezaki or had YAS on the animation. People are talking about the Dai remake in this thread, and the new anime looks way better, it's much better animated, it's more colourful, etc.For a current anime, the Ranma remake, what it's adapting, largely looks and animates better IN the remake than the original, the original was a shitshow production (which is especially sad since it followed up pretty standout anime, Urusei Yatsura and Maison Ikkoku).Last season we had Bleach (which I don't like but it looks good), Ghost in the Shell, Jan, Yani Neko, Jaadugar, we even have an anime that looked like the typical cel anime in Summer- that was Dodge Danko. It looked like shit. Or Spring, with Nippon Sangoku, Winter which had JJK3, 2025 had Yaiba and Sanda and Ninkoro and City.We regularly see TV productions NOW surpass older anime in quality. To compare right now to 1986, 2026 wins.ZZ was barely animated garbage, it looked like shit much of the time.Dragon Ball had all the same flaws as Dr. Slump in its visuals, that's not me saying that, that's Torishima saying that. He saw how standout Saint Seiya's anime was and had those staff brought over for Dragon Ball Z about four years later.Nagareboshi Gin and Fist of the North Star were basically slideshows from what I remember, and all the shitty mecha anime lacking in detail like Machine Robo and fucking VOTOMS BIG BATTLE (the absolute worst VOTOMS anime by the way, but it's an OVA so I shouldn't mention it here).etc etcWATCH MORE ANIME
>>292253218>Overall, right now, we get higher quality better looking anime productions airing on TV in greater numbers than we did beforesuch as?
>>292253134Do you have a Franklin D. Roosevelt quote for this?
>>292253218>we even have an anime that looked like the typical cel anime in Summer- that was Dodge Dankono it fucking doesn't what
>>292253285I meant in terms of overall visual quality. I've actually watched plenty of shitty toy advertisement anime, and I was being a tiny bit disingenuous- Danko stands closer to shit like Sonic X and Rockman.exe, but whenever I watch like an 80s mecha series I'm reminded of it visually, just that very low effort scrappy production it has.>>292253249Put in a whole list. It was right in the post.
>>292253134>avatarfagging is when you post a bunch of completely different anime series images on the anime imageboardWhatever you say, man.
>>292253218>digitards think this looks better than celkek
>>292253218Now compare the background art of the average 86 anime and the average 2026 anime
>>292235543You can't make soul with a computer.
>>292253348No actually, I said it looked about the same as the average cel anime from the time in terms of animation. >>292253355I pulled up ZZ since I still have it, went to a random episode (Episode 20) and it didn't have too many background shots because most shots were closeups of characters, and the backgrounds tended to be just stock backgrounds, probably from fucking Zeta.One of the illustrious background shots here by the way, just some shit. Characters barely even look like they belong in this world (and there is no animation for that car, it just powerpoints its way to the edge of the screen as the camera pans).
>>292241502you owned that retard kek
>>292253462>>292253355For comparison I pulled up the newest anime I still have in storage that I have seen before, which is this series from Winter 2021 (I delete broadcast anime like any sensible person).Backgrounds look pretty good. Fine even. Generally though, I don't really get this point since most anime only have serviceable backgrounds. The ones with truly great background art are Dezaki anime, Shaft anime, a handful of WMT works, and then films.I'd say City had great backgrounds but if I posted those you'd probably shit on it for not being 'detailed' enough or something.
>>292253462Now for the 2026 one...>>292253618That's not the average anime.
It's pointless to try and tell autistic 'people' that animation looks worse now than in the 90s, because autism is a disease of the brain that causes absolute deference to "current authority". It is actually a form of domestication. The autist willingly enslaves itself to whatever it perceives as the dominant social consensus of the time.Today that means you have to pretend that smeary desaturated vaseline-filtered digital anime full of jerky ugly CGI is actually 10/10 amazing. The autistic brain actually thinks this, it isn't an act: autistics have evolved to willingly and gladly submit to current authority, as a survival tactic. Wherever there is shit media that compromises on quality or screws over customers, there will be autistic 'people' (not really human, more like nonsentient natural slaves) defending it and/or claiming the worse thing is better.Of course, functional and real humans do not believe such silliness, it's plain to see with our eyes that cel looked vastly better. The only response to autistics is to leave them to their cold, lonely lives of lego bricks and inferior media.
>>292253355Sure. I'm going to use images from two anime I've actually watched.Bosco Adventure (1986) and Mushoku Tensei S3 (2026).Both backgrounds are entirely hand-painted.
>>292253707>It's pointless to try and tell autistic 'people' that animation looks worse now than in the 90s, because autism is a disease of the brain that causes absolute deference to "current authority". It is actually a form of domestication. The autist willingly enslaves itself to whatever it perceives as the dominant social consensus of the time.Normalfags were the real autists all along?
>>292253218>People are talking about the Dai remake in this thread, and the new anime looks way better, it's much better animated, it's more colourful, etc.>For a current anime, the Ranma remake, what it's adapting, largely looks and animates better IN the remake than the originalLike Ranma's remake, Dai's remake was standardized to look like plastic slop. But, that's just my opinion. If you cannot sense it, it can't be helped. In matter of fact, the artists likely made it look like that for audiences like you. You're a member of the modern audience that wants anime to look the way it currently does.>>292252749>If I wanted to jerk off to Maam's panties, I'd go on fucking pixiv.Reiwa Era remakes would be improved if their content was uncensored and their expression was unrestricted. This is more than just an opinion and is fundamental to anyone who cares about art.Where do people like (You) come from? Why the hell would anyone come to 4chan and /a/ if they're so willing to disregard and agitate against freedom of expression?
>>292253737Autists are the ultimate normalfaggots and have horrific taste in everything. It's why every autist is obsessed with grotesque things like inflation futa furry porn. Their brains are formed incorrectly and they aren't human, so human ideals of beauty can't compute with them.
>>292253355>>292253711Backgrounds really aren't a hill you want to die on since so many modern anime still uses handpainted backgrounds.
>>292253672>That's not the average anime.It quite literally is.It's a one cour advertisement for a manga, which is the average modern anime.It didn't have notable staff, it wasn't from a notable studio (aside from the fact that they work on Nintama).Your image is, ironically, also hosting a perfectly fine background and one I would consider superior to the ZZ background I posted. Your point of contention is probably the car and the characters, which are not the background. Those are the foreground, they are the elements the viewer is focused on.>>292253778>Like Ranma's remake, Dai's remake was standardized to look like plastic slop.I think the original Ranma anime just looks kind of ugly and very derivative of the prior Takahashi adaptations beyond its original 18 or so episode run.The webm you posted is from that initial good run, Ranma started as good as UY and MI and quickly fell off after it ended its broadcast and came back.Like I get what you mean about 'plastic slop', but I find most of it inoffensive, I only don't like it with Detective Conan and 2010s~ Dragon Ball works where they really overdo the shading.
>>292253711Left looks hugely better despite being original-anime seasonal slop with a budget 1/50th that of Mushoku Netflixsei
>>292253854>so many modern anime still usesnotice it's always mouthbreathing ESLs who think CG digital garbage looks good
>>292253889>CG digital garbageThat's a handpainted background though?
>>292253929don't bother responding to him, he's been having a mental breakdown all thread
>>292253864This is the most spectacularly incorrect post I've read in a while, I'm amazed that you're calling people tourists in your other posts when you write shit like this.>original-anime No, it's an adaptation, like most of Nippon Animation's works at the time.>seasonal slop Seasonal anime didn't exist until the 2000s, not really. Even ignoring that though, it's a two cour series.>with a budget 1/50thIt was a Nippon Animation series at the height of their influence. Even ignoring that budget means fuckall for an anime's visuals most of the time, plenty of ugly anime with tons of funding, and some of the best looking anime had no funding, this anime was absolutely costing a significant amount of money compared to the typical non-Toei and non-TMS anime of the time.
>>292253929utter embarrassing ESL retard who thinks "CG" = "3D"kek
>>292253794Damn, why did my normalfag family gave me looks when they found my inflation futa furry porn folder then
>>292253966It's an "adaptation" of an italian book completely unknown in japan. Didn't bother to read the rest of your post since the first line was an extremely obvious lie
>>292253778>Reiwa Era remakes would be improved if their content was uncensored and their expression was unrestricted.Maybe. I don't really care though.If I died on this hill everytime, I wouldn't be watching anime. I wouldn't be talking about the original Dai anime since it cut and changed things in other ways.You posted Ranma, that cut whole sections of the story and replaced them with original ones. I don't watch an anime for the "original artistic intent", I watch an anime to see what the anime does.
>>292236268>They shouldGo tell them, then report back. Keep us updated.
>>292253953I find it really bizarre that this guy is upset over the fact that anime's digitized, but when you provide examples of modern anime with handcrafted elements he still insists that these handcrafted elements are terrible.You'd think he'd consider it a minor victory or at least a step in the right direction, rather than playing /v/-tier "console wars" with anime eras.
>>292254015nothing wrong with that sentence unlike your confusion on plurals here >>292253854 "so many modern anime still uses"the izzat isn't coming back sweetie it's only going to get worse for you
>>292253994>It's an "adaptation" of an italian book completely unknown in japan.So it's an adaptation.You're completely uncultured since a SIGNIFICANT amount of the BEST anime in the 70s and 80s and 90s were extended adaptations of foreign books.The best anime ever made is Ie Naki Ko, a 1970s 51 episode adaptation of a 372 page French novel.
>>292254018What does this retarded post even mean?
>>29225321886 has Laputa and Arion. Hi no Tori and Hadashi no Gen2 are masterpieces too.2026 has nothing.
>>292254027these are spam and shitpost threadsit's not about arguing in good faiththis exact thread will be made tomorrow or the next daypopulated by the same peopleas has been for years
>>292253855>It quite literally is.No, the background art of the average anime is more akin to the one you have in this post, which looks like complete shit. Are you really able to look at that ground and say it looks good with a straight face?>Your point of contention is probably the car and the characters, which are not the background. Those are the foreground, they are the elements the viewer is focused on.I picked one with a car and characters because you literally shat on the car and characters in the example you picked, retard. The background simply looks like shit and is a cancer to the eye; that's why I picked it.>a perfectly fine background and one I would consider superior to the ZZ background I postedSorry, it seems argument is futile since our points of view are utterly irreconcilable. It is a foolish task to try to make one see what he cannot.>>292253854Sayonara Lara is definitely not the average anime.
>>292254044>The best anime ever made is Ie Naki Kothe sort of thing you'd say when you're a netflix-shounen DBZ retard-spic who googles "what is the best good old obscure anime for pretending i'm a hardcore anime guy"
>>292254038do not redeem saar
>>292254085>Sayonara Lara is definitely not the average anime.Define your "average" anime, then.Because even the most bottom of the barrel romcoms like Nagatoro had handpainted backgrounds.
>>292253854Goodbye lara is one of the shittiest shows ever made, only an idiot would be impressed by how they spammed outsourcing with vietnamese and indians.
>>292254147>Goodbye lara is one of the shittiest shows ever madeI'm not debating that with you. You asked for backgrounds.
>>292254134the average anime fits all of my specific criteria required for me to win the argument
>>292254163You're not 'debating' anything period, retard, you're having a head-hitting autism meltdown because people don't like your modern shounen garbage and correctly identify it as inferior to 90s cel kino.
>>292254078>LaputaThat's a film, not a TV anime.>ArionThat's a film, not a TV anime. Not even a particularly great film aside from YAS' designworks.>Hi no ToriThis is, again, a film, not a TV anime.>Hadashi no Gen 2And for the final time, this is a film, not a TV anime.You respond to a long post specifically talking about TV shows, explicitly, multiple times I stated that, my comparisons were between them, and all you can post about are films.But anyways, I don't even watch many films for the year since most don't get a BD until the following year (or pretty close to it). I guess Hathaway 2 looked really good. I don't like the Hathaway films as films, but it looks pretty.And 2025 had the Fujimoto short film collection, CSM Reze, Hyakuemu, Mononoke, and Lupin Fujimi no Ketsuzoku.>>292254085>No, the background art of the average anime is moreThe anime I posted is the average anime. Stop attempting to contest that, you're trying to invalidate what I have posted because you're trying to construct a narrative, and anything going against it just "doesn't count". Your reasoning for WHY it is not the average anime is literally because it GOES AGAINST your narrative.You have zero self-awareness given that you actually wrote that.>The background simply looks like shit and is a cancer to the eye;It's a fairly okay looking building. Has good lighting to showcase the scene is set at night. It's fine. You're a sperg, and you're not worth speaking to because you can't handle being wrong. You're a child who just wants to win imaginary internet arguments.Let it be known, you will never convince me or anyone else, and I know for a fact you don't watch anime at all. You don't.
>>29225420786 has Laputa and Arion. Hi no Tori and Hadashi no Gen2 are masterpieces too.2026 has nothing.
>>292254179
>>292254207>average animeI literally gave you an example and pointed out another as the image you used in your own post. Now you'll just try beating around the bush that I said one of your examples was not average therefore my entire argument is invalid. Nobody is falling for that playground-level sophistry, I'm sorry.>Has good lighting to showcase the scene is set at night.You are such an autist you think the artistic quality of something is reducible to functionality and can be solved like an engineering problem. You are an enemy of art and will never know what artistic appreciation really feels like. I pity you.
>ITT
>>292254093>the sort of thing you'd say when you're a netflix-shounen DBZ retard-spic who googles "what is the best good old obscure anime for pretending i'm a hardcore anime guy"
what might have been an interesting topic for discussion completely ruined by a fucking mental case, why are so many threads on this shit ass board plagued in this way?
>>292254220Again, the topic was TV anime, those are films. >>292254284You're an actual enemy of art because you don't actually like art or appreciate art, you just run around being a faggot on /a/ doing this console war shit. Again, you literally said that because what I posted looked good, it didn't count because it contradicted YOUR argument. You have no interest in art.
>>292254343These threads are never interesting. This is a daily spam thread that's been made by the same general rotating group of people for the last 8 years, arguing with eachother ad infinitum for the last word.It's not interesting today. It wasn't interesting last year, and it wasn't interesting 5 years ago. Fucking hell, this "topic" was already old 16 years ago. It's just beating a dead horse because these people generally don't watch anime but are more obsessed with talking about anime as a concept, which leads to meta-arguing about the history of anime or the state of the anime industry instead of actually talking about shows on an individual level.
>>292254334>buys physical merchandise and uses this as evidence of being a "true fan" of a thing>has girly faggot handwritinghello there fat femanon hog
>>292254389>This is a daily spam thread that's been made by the same general rotating group of people for the last 8 years,have you considered you're mentally ill and it isn't normal to hallucinate about imaginary enemies making threads you don't like for a decade on an anonymous board?
>>292254357>does exactly what I said you'd doNobody is falling for it.Good luck 'solving' your next artwork.
>>292254334Remi is indeed one of the best and all the others in its league are pretty old too.Shows how modern anime can't compete.
>>292254343Cel vs digital is innately uninteresting because it's primarily just an excuse for people who've only seen a handful of 80s and 90s anime to jerk off the same couple ones while bemoaning how anime has gotten worse or whatever.It's why most of the posts from celtards are always loaded with /v/ memes as well, and why these threads have an abnormally high amount of references to video games. Most of the people posting here are just from /v/.
>>292254334>kingdomconnoisseur....
>>292254411>gets proven wrong>immediately deflects into next lineYou probably haven't seen any older anime that aren't excessively popular.
>>292254456did you see that one on pinterest and have to go paypig for some merch so you could go impress the other girlies on tiktok? shopping is what hobbies are all about, after all
>>292253711>mushoku tensei is toted as one of the best TV productions of the decadeis that all we have left?
>>292254479epic fanfic sister
>>292254479>got really mad after being called out>failed to prove he has actually seen any "niche" animeIt sure feels great being right.
>>292254492>Is that all we have left?Not really? There's been plenty of high quality of anime this decade man.But to be fair the first season of Mushoku Tensei had movie level of productions consistently across the entire first season. The only TV era cel anime that can really compare is probably Escaflowne or maybe Turn A Gundam.
>>292254389then why have you posted over 100 times to this thread?
>>292254513Can you prove you've seen any cel anime that weren't excessively popular?
>>292254519>TV era cel animecel era TV anime***Fuck me.
>>292254524You're schizophrenic dude, you have replied to at least 2 different people in this reply chain alone
>>292253218>ZZ was barely animated garbage, it looked like shit much of the time.You didn't watch it? It barely had any stills
>>292254582I did. It was a shoddy anime designed to extend the lifespan of Zeta's broadcast and shit the bed both in art and narrative following on from ZZ.It being barely animated would be fine if it stuck to being a comedy anime, would've just been a slightly weaker Xabungle, but then it decided to kill off its best character and become a shittier Zeta at the midpoint.
>>292254623>decided to kill off its best character and become a shittier Zeta at the midpoint.I actually agree. It's still a good anime tough. I didn't had any problem with the animation though. Still miles better than 0078 in terms of quality
>>292254556>we are not the same retard, there are many of us>"all" have the exact same autistic grammar pattern and quirksyeah sure
>>292254919meds
>>292254919Thank you for admitting you made over 100 posts in this thread.
We'll never fucking have a good cel anime thread again, huh? It's just OLD GOOD NEW BAD spam and culture war degeneracy
>>292255026the containment board known as /v/ is leaking
>>292255026You are traffic.
>>292255026honest cel threads are killed by tourist threads and generalsso no
>>292255026>OLD GOOD NEW BADOld anime is good and new anime is bad. Both visually and in terms of writing and originality
>>292255026It sounds like you're having a meltdown because people don't agree with you. It's common in autism. The remedy is to fuck off back to your containment zone (anime twitter)
>>292255026OP's post is cel vs digital. Inherently, OP started a culture war thread with agitation. I don't know what you want. If you have more pretty anime screenshots, I suppose you should just post more and hope people forget about OP.
>>292255277haven't you literally spent the entire thread crying about samefags whenever someone disagrees with you?
>>292255302Sounds like you have schizophrenia to go with that autism diagnosis. I prescribe killing yourself posthaste!
>>292255189That's not true, /a/'s not so fast that cel slides threads slide off right away.The problem is that there's not a lot of genuine cel anime fans on /a/. Talking about a specific show on a more intimate level actually requires sitting down and watching that show. It's much easier to just grab an image from google images or a cut from sakugabooru of shit you haven't watched and then make a thread about how you hate modern anime.Hence why honest cel anime threads die while these threads rise to 500 posts while nobody actually talks about a single, actual anime.
>>292255026Why is it prima facie inconceivable that the state of things at time t-1 could in fact be better than that at t?
Cel is so superior to modern dogshit it's not even funny. Sad - japan went so far in animation just to throw it all in the garbage because digital "seemed like it might eventually be better"
>>292236436because japan is a nation in decline80s/90s animators grew up in homogenous boom periods modern 3d animators grew up in globalist hellholeyour talent is shaped by your environment
>>292255334It's a political thing for him, notice how he mentions "culture war" even though the thread has absolutely nothing to do with politics?For autists like that (prone to 'extreme thinking') everything has to be stratified into the political-tribal lines he obsesses over (to fill the void in his lonely life)As a result, new anime is "progressive" (good! my tribe!) and old anime is "conservative" (enemy tribe! badd!!!), hence he hallucinates a political argument where none exists and argues just like people do in political discussions (ie. disingenuously, dogmatically, pseudo-cultishly)
>>292255333isn't this exactly what you're doing
>>292255408No, I watch everything I post because I hate tourists, posers, secondaries and LARPers with a passion.
>>292255362>>292236521Digital garbage will never come close.
>>292255401
>>292235543Digital art isn't actual art, they had to hire real artists before, now the computer does most of it and they cut corners over and over again. Then multiple people work on it instead of it being one person's vision.I hope that one day someone resurrects the old way.
>>292255473You complain about a "culture war" discussion in the thread twice >>292255026>>292255301 in these posts, then pretend you never said that. Lmao
>>292255487Not a new IP
>>292255498>twiceonce*
>sperg proceeds to resume circlejerk after being embarrassed for not knowing anything about older anime>only posts hyper popular OVAs with webms that have been around for years It's always "muh digital anime bad" and "muh anime got ruined" and some shit about politics, but never "here's the anime I've been watching lately". Fundamentally uninteresting person.
>>292255502this isn't even possible to know in 2026 4chan, retard. IP count was removed
>>292255370They will just pretend cultural decline following the end of a civilization's golden age has never happened and is just some made up bullshit because it doesn't go along with the views they are emotionally attached to.
>>292255530>he doesn't know
>>292255333A devilman thread is about to die with 2 replies. Do you think everyone interested in devilman that's going to wander around this board today has looked at it and passed?
>>292255583I'm largely talking about general threads like pre-2000s threads, cel anime threads and retro anime threads.Of course, threads about individual shows that are growing more and more niche as the decades go on roll off the thread and die.You're better off going to that one altchan for more specific, generalized pre-2000s anime discussion.
>>292255434Genuine questionWhy do you even defend modern anime so much since you obviously watch a lot of old anime?
Digital tards live in denial of reality.
Are you retarded? They still make cel anime.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7dMpRMTSkU
>>292255674Hunter X Hunter 1999 vs 2011 is hilarious honestly.
>>292255699Like most cel vs digital posted in this thread, most of the people who jerk off HxH99 haven't actually seen it.
Di Gi Charat has 2/3 of "digital" in its name and has digital animation, therefore digital is good.
>>292255674>>292255436Remember when American, French, Russian, and Japanese cel artists were constantly one-upping each other?Then the digital era hits and it's permanent mediocrity, with some dogshit seasoning (3DCG) on top
>>292255658Buyers intuitively underatand the power they have over creators. Pirates do not. Buyers believe creators ought to make art for them. Pirates reject power and are complacent.
>>292255738I've seen it. Happened to have a recent torrent, watched it on my CRT TV recently.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su3o92Isnc0First saw it in around 2008 or 2009 on Dailymotion, including the Greed Island OVA.
>>292236167I liked the transition era where anime combined both cel and digital. I think they should have stopped there instead of going full digital.
>>292255674You do know that all of the background artists who painted those gorgeous backgrounds in Memories continued painting backgrounds like that into the digital era, right?
>>292255857Looks like absolute dogshit in comparison. Literal stock asset 4x4 3DCG boxes with a giant gaussian blur over the whole screenYou are fully delusional on this subject, and just a couple scrolls higher in the thread you revealed why (because you believe that old anime is ''conservative and problematic'' and new anime is ''progressive and in tune with my beliefs'')
Fucking Dorohedoro's background artist did backgrounds for Akira.
>>292255857That looks really flat
>>292255786Remember when anime had natural lighting effects, because you could just shine an actual IRL light onto or through the cels?
>>292255900Looks like shit with a vaseline filter aka all digital anime
>>292255833What I miss of the transition era is that experimentation was something actively encouraged by a few gigachad producers. Now the industry has absolutely zero risk tolerance and all they will ever fund are adaptations of already popular IPs. Konaka has recently stated that an anime project will only get off the ground nowadays if it's already an established IP with published media.Will we ever get anything as experimental as Boogiepop Phantom again?
>>292255890>and just a couple scrolls higher in the thread you revealed why (because you believe that old anime is ''conservative and problematic'' and new anime is ''progressive and in tune with my beliefs'')I'd prefer if you stopped writing grotesque fanfiction about me.
>>292255674>Okay but what if we removed all the depth and made all of the colors really flat and oversaturated. Wouldn't it look better if all shadows were hard transitions, it would look so sharp and modern bruh!
>>292255890>>292255907>>292255925this guy has terrible taste and that explains all his dogshit opinions really
Why are you talking to yourself
>>292256037
>>292256026the funniest thing is that even the darkest scenes in cel animation have superior lighting, clarity, and color saturation to brightly lit digital anime
>>292255658Because anybody with a functioning set of eyes and a brain can clearly see that the quality of your average TV anime's plateaued over the last 30 years with some noticeable spikes and drops with no real trend of incline or decline. It either takes a complete fucking mental retard, or somebody lying through their teeth, to claim that anime just fucking died in 1999-2001 because someone flipped a switch and switched to digital.
>>292256048>nooo nobody could ever disagree with my superior objectively correct opinion, it must be all the same troll!
>>292243910>>292243888Top looks better
I think I get why this retard's complaining about "vaseline" in modern anime now lmaoFrom his perspective, he's posting modern, crisp-looking BD remasters of classic cel anime instead of watching these classic cel anime in their native resolutions where these cel movies and OVAs were fuzzy as fuck when blown up to fit a TV or a computer screen.
>>292256142>to claim that anime just fucking died in 1999-2001 because someone flipped a switch and switched to digital.No one said it "died", lots of shit entertainment is massively profitable. That's like saying MrBeast is a good anime show because his channel makes tons of money. You're retarded and ideologically obsessed, everyone with a functional human brain agrees cel anime looked superior.Just look at the shit you try to pass off as exemplary of "beautiful digital animation" >>292255857 lmao
>>292256178>Just look at the shit you try to pass off as exemplary of "beautiful digital animation" >>292255857(You) lmaoThat screenshot is hand-painted. Why do you keep outing yourself as someone who knows nothing about anime production?
>>29225617190s anime looked amazing on CRTs, even better than on modern OLEDs really. But even if that weren't the case, you'd be insulting television resolutions, not animation quality. The fact that these shows look so superior to your idealogically-beloved modern digital garbage despite being designed for 480i broadcasts is really amazing
>>292256171Oh no someone is an LCDlet
>>292255738While I definitely believe cel usually looks better than digital, I think the amount of glazing 1999 HxH gets is beyond ridiculous, it's definitely like 95% people who never saw it aside from cherry picked clips on tiktok and 5% people who have an unhealthy obsession with the idea of cel animation. The Gon vs. Hisoka fight is the example they always use the really blows my mind, 2011 version of that fight is better in every possible way.
>>292256206>That screenshot is hand-painted.Yes, digitally, not on cels. What the fuck do you think we're even discussing right now? Painting with hands vs feet?
>>292256206No it isn't, the backgrounds to that anime were digital.
behold: the best, most gorgeous, blue-chip digital animation!(he really posted this as an example of the superiority of digital)
>>292256248This PS1 game looks great what do you mean?
>>292256228>Yes, digitally, not on cels.Anime backgrounds were NEVER, EVER painted on cels you literal retard. They're literally painted on canvas or an illustration board. Holy shit lmao.
>>292256260I was thinking the same shit, it looks like one of those Resident Evil prerendered bgs LMAO
>>292256248It never ceases to amuse me how they always out themselves as tasteless fags just like that.
>>292256264The handpainted backgrounds in this image are modern and from this decade, by the way.
>>292256264Digital anime do not use physically painted backgrounds and that >>292256248 image does not in any way depict a physical painting. It literally has 3DCG models all through it. I think you have EXTREMELY low IQ, probably in the 60s, this is like trying to discuss engineering with black people
>>292256297>Digital anime do not use physically painted backgroundsExplain this image >>292256264
digitaltard having a fullblown pants shitting meltdown hitting himself in the head
celtard has yet to actually post any anime he has actually seen
oh yeah? You think digital anime looks like shit next to analog anime?Then explain THIS image.
>>292256301Again?Just accept that you are a tasteless fag and no one will agree with you.
>>292253707Ahh, it's amazing how easy on the eyes that is. I'm almost totally used to modern anime, but a subconscious tension is released like stepping into a hot bath when I see those colors. I don't think I've seen that shade of dark blue in years, it's like shadows ceased to exist at some point and every scene is now lit with studio lights. I think I've actually been squinting this entire time, unable to fully open my eyes because of the glare of modern color grading. Actually wait a minute, is that why japs don't complain as much? They literally can't see the difference?
>>292256297>Digital anime do not use physically painted backgrounds???
>>292256352The funniest shit is Cardcaptor Sakura is literal seasonal anime with 35 episodes a season. This isn't even OVA or movie animation. Today you physically could not make animation like that, even with an unlimited budget, even as a movie - such are the horrors of digitalization and futurism. "We will switch over because we don't want to be left behind by other studios - after all, digital might become as good as analog soon" was the death cry of animation.
>>292256171Ouch, you missed out.
>>292256297Most modern anime outsource their backgrounds to Studio Pablo and a handful of similar studios, which are "background" studios that specialize in hand painted backgrounds rather than full-on anime production.
the digitaltard has confused "hand painted" with "analog" several dozen times so far, people keep explaining the difference and he forgets instantly like a goldfish. i think he has a brain injury
>>292256420>the digitaltard has confused "hand painted" with "analog" several dozen times so farCan you explain what this image is, please >>292256264
he thinks this image was painted on a canvas with oil paint and photographed >>292256402kekarooni
genuinely this guy's posts are killing methe 3DCG cereal boxes were funny enough, but now he apparently thinks megalo box had irl oil painting backgrounds and that this is an example of them
>>292256388>doesn't know what a seasonal is>refers to cardcaptor sakura as having seasons, a strictly english invention for the first series>acts like it's impossible to make an anime like that because he doesn't watch anime
>>292256402americans really hyped up this show to hell
god I love old anime
>>292256482>>acts like it's impossible to make an anime like that because he doesn't watch animeYou should post a digital shot that looks as good as that webm. I can't wait for the 3DCG monstrosity you shit out wew
>>292256527lovely colorsi think the ritual of drawing analog art is part of why cel shows look better. it's easy to view an image on a computer as 'just another frame', while if you have a physical painting in front of you, it's harder to not put all of your effort into it. the ceremony of having an actual object to work on can't be underestimated
>>292256515It's alright as an answer to Ashita no Joe, but it's only really good as a companion piece to Ashita no Joe more than anything for how it flips the message of Ashita no Joe on it's head about how it's not worth dying for a sport when you have loved ones and relationships that are worth protecting and living for. Also it was never, ever popular with Americans or anywhere besides Japan, the target audience were 50+ year old Japanese boomers
>digitalfag is still unable to understand that the medium is the message
>>292256563>megaloboxfag trying to piggyback off of ashita no joe
>>292256623It's LITERALLY the fucking 50th Anniversary project for Ashita no Joe, what do you expect? The entire point of the show is supposed be an inversion of Ashita no Joe's message, and that family's more precious than throwing your life away for a sport.
>>292256529No matter what I posted, you'd just go "Nuh uh", so there's no real point.Next you'll act like you've accomplished something or won an argument, simply because you have no real purpose beyond being a disingenuous retard that's likely on vacation from /v/ and knows nothing about anime (as has been proven in all of your posts where you fail to understand the most basic anime terminology).
>>292256623You haven't seen Ashita no Joe.
Just wait for more advanced AI next year anon kun.Be patient
>>292256725You just know he will be defending it when the time comes.
>>292256693Hey it's me the HXH guy from earlier with my torrent, why didn't you reply to my post :) ?
>>292256768Schizophrenia..?
>>292256674>l-lots of modern shows look better than that cel show you posted!>Oh yeah? Any examples?>n-n-no, they all look like shit so I can't actually post any unfortunately... sorry sirgood boy
>>292256777Again, nothing I posted would satiate you.This is because you are not interested in discussion, you are interested in being an annoying faggot.
>>292256775>>292255818Here, silly
celtards are the same retards who spam AI threads and talk about how AI will save anime lmao, why's anyone taking them seriously
>>292256806What does this have to do with my post?
>>292256816Oh you aren't that weird faggot who tried to say I haven't seen HXH 1999? My bad, sorry man I saw someone make the exact same argument to another poster and just assumed.
>>292256809>AI will save animethat's an accurate statement, ai anime is going to be so good it's beyond comparison. we'll get back everything we lost in the cel-to-digital transition and more
>>292255818>>292256806>i love cel anime>would I download an actually good release of one..?>Nah, I'll download some hyper compressed arabic encode that destroys the imagecelpablos...
>>292256837I mean, you still haven't seen Ashita no Joe, so no idea what this has to do with my post
>>292256841Like I said it was viewed on a CRT TV, there's no point in putting a bluray on a CRT TV, plus the device I was using had a bitrate limit.
>>292256796Or more likely you are extremely embarrassed after you posted 3DCG cereal boxes as an example of "beautiful handpainted digital animation" >>292255857 and everyone made fun of you.
>>292256796someone could have taken this as a decent response if only you hadn't posted a bunch of trash examples that undermine your point beforehand
>>292255857>>292255890>>292256248not him but GiTS 2's production cycle is well documented, a lot of the backgrounds were hand-painted and had 3D assets dropped on top with painted texturing . this was less cutting corners and more of a gimmick since they were trying to be state of the art or new so a lot of the scenes end up looking really jarring mix of hand painted background with CGI objectshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGTiFuDjTI
>>292256864Really
>>292256855I wasn't the poster you initially accused, and actually yes I have. Dying for your dreams is worth everything btw.
this board needs ids and flags and this autist needs to be put down
it's actually not the skills but the western intervention. for example instead of 23 hours/ 6 days of working on the animation, now they only have 8 hours / 4-5 days work hours to comply with westoid worker's rights.
>>292256864
>>292256887You mean yourself?
>>292236265>Digital is a set of toolsAgreed.>In the right hands it can match and even surpass the heights of cel animationPeople have been saying this for years, same about digital cameras and cgi and such. Its only technically correct in the same way as saying that if you run for office in the next election you can become president.
>>292256881>read a summary of Joe on twitter and got the complete wrong message for what it's aboutEPIC
>>292256893no i mean you, you are fucking insane and a drain on society ruining threads just because you think everyone is out to get you
>>292256873my dude that entire image is 3DCGlook at the fucking beverages lmaolook anywhere in the whole imageeven if it had a physical irl painting underneath, that would just make it a shining example of how digital ruins art
>>292256866Again, that's not me, and you haven't posted a single example of an older anime you've even seen.
>>292256905This is my only social media platform, also that one is called X.
>>292256911no dudethat's completely handpaintedi swear
>>292255026>We'll never fucking have a good thread again, huh? It's just OLD GOOD NEW BAD spam and culture war degeneracy>>292255059/a/ has been shit for over a decade now and its problems are entirely self-inflicted.
>>292256909See >>292256893
>>292256873Don't respond to >>292256911 he spent several hours insisting the Evangelion special from this year was cel animated.
>>292256929>no ugenius
>>292256945That's what you said, yes.
>>292256955>no u
>>292256954Hey uh, retard, you still have yet to post a single example of an anime you've seen that isn't normalfag shit. Its been hours or something.
>>292256944Uhhh no, a few-seconds-long scene in it was cel animated. See >>292241253>>292240319
>>292256911It's a frankenstein monster of handpainted textures digitally composited onto CGI objects, but that was just the artists being avant-garde and trying to do something that hadn't been done in anime at the time and to my knowledge hasn't been done since
>>292256993>it actually was him>he still insists on it after being shown that Khara doesn't have the technology for it, the resources for it, and never contracted the company they used the last time they wanted to scan celskek
>>292236299It doesn't have anything to do with thisBlurays release don't the toned down lighting They still look like garbageEarly 2000s digital anime could be very saturatedSomething really started going downhill past 2006/07 and anime never recovered
>>292256954
>>292256914>fuck nobody takes me seriously anymore, i'll just pretend to be someone elsethis is gold
>>292256993>has spamming this thread with hundreds of posts for over a day with no breaks
>>292257005T2 Studio who were used for the cel parts of Goodbye Lara were also used for the Asuka short, coz it's cel animation. Just like in Lara it's only a few seconds since they want to be cheap. Anyway, you lost the argument - sad to see you're still hurting about it a day or two later?
>>292257032Why are you terrified of posting the anime you've seen?
digitalfag has a humiliation fetish unironically i think. reminder that earlier he randomly started talking about politics and how cel animation fans are engaging in a "toxic conservative culture war" >>292255026>>292255301
>>29223675716:9 is an inferior aspect ratio all aroundSome 16:9 anime were fine but still>>292245103Normalfags hate black bars4:3 benefits live action too not just animation
>>292253778Nipple censorship is a travesty against God.
>>292257079
>>292257043>T2 Studio who were used for the cel parts of Goodbye LaraThis argument was already disputed and proven to be false, and shows you know nothing about the industry of the studios within.Khara went to Ghibli the sole, singular time they used celluloids for their digital works, which was for 3.0+1.0.Your argument is that, because T2 is credited, then EVERY anime they've worked on has had cel animation, which would mean your hatred of digital anime is unfounded since they've contributed on thousands of digital anime. I know you have a desperate humiliation fetish and get off to being mercilessly beaten in arguments like this, but it's very embarrassing to watch play out.
>>292247200What differentiates cel from digital is the physical ink and paintAlso with cel it's much easier to fuck up, no undo button Completely different workflow
>>292256072>Visual clarity>Crisp color contrast>Soft light/shadow transitions>Depth that truly immerses the viewer in the imageDigital never seems to be able to get any of these things right. I mean just look at picrel It's flat as a board
>>292257079If you ctrl+f "conservative", "politic" and "progressive", every single instance of these words comes from you or people quoting you.
>>292257111>using the words that hurt youit keeps getting better
>>292257236>he's ban evading
>>292257211i think I'm pretty sure I know who you are from another boardare you the "How do we fix anime, r/banter" spammer from /bant/?
>>292257329>1064 results found
>>292257329>>292257338I left /bant/ years ago because of the soijak spam and retarded discord ERP cults.
>>292257329why is every second person on /a/ a mentally ill spammer / banevaderthe asylums need to start back up
>>292257329>>292257338>local autist is notorious autistIn other news, water is wet.
>>292257400it was more like /bant/'s sakurafish
>>292257329>>292257338I'd take this over a ban evading retard that spams old good new bad threads tbdesu
>>292257452>ban evadingYou have thousands of bans and openly admitted to it, lol. No one in this thread is ban evading but you
>>292257487That's not me.And I didn't get banned for these threads, /bant/ had a problem with soiteens flooding the entire catalog with 50 soijak threads at a time and a janny or mod would just occasionally come in and nuke the entire board.
>>292257487>has a persecution complexI'm an objective observer. Also, several of your posts got deleted this thread and /a/ tends to be a ban happy place. It's a natural assumption.
>>292236167>You are making the mistake of thinking that they are trying to do the same thing.>If the rules change, so does the game.The problem is that new anime looks like shit.
There is no greater LARP than being an old anime fag.That's why they only ever post the same dozen or so OVAs and shows.
>>292257572You can't even name one good anime from the past 5 years, it doesn't exist.
every single person in this thread with more than 3 posts is severely schizophrenic and autistic while being convinced everybody else is schizophrenic and autistic and that they're the only sane person
>>292256072>>292255786Digitalfags will never ever be able to find anything that approaches cel animation. Zero examples - sad!
>>292244754>cel>35mmretard
>>292257618>>292254307
>>292244802That doesn't look like cel animationIt looks good but I can notice the digital coloringThis short was made for an ad, and no it wasn't easy to try to replicate the look in digitalSome of the backgrounds are still old school watercolored
>>292257383You ban evaded on /bant/ for years and were banned around 600ish times, some of them public bans
>>292257702>>292257713Mental illness is all too common nowadays and sadly 4chan bears the full brunt of it due to being anonymous. I miss when the internet was smaller and low-IQ people like that couldn't use it because phones didn't exist.
>>292254307Will there ever be another comedy mangaka as good as Kumeta?
>>292257602It's telling that instead of proving me wrong, you jump to just going "What about modern anime".I could very well be someone who prefers older anime. but anyways, based solely on visuals and direction>2021Senkou no HathawaySonny BoyBishounen Tanteidan>2022Mob Psycho 100 3Chainsaw ManInu-ou>2023Boku no Kokoro no Yabai YatsuOnii-chan wa OshimaiKimitachi wa Dou Ikiru Ka>2024Look BackNige Jouzu no WakagimiMonogatari Series: Off & Monster Season>2025100MTakopii no GenzaiShin Samurai-den Yaiba>2026Nippon SangokuTetsunabe no JanYani NekoI can also name three from each year of the from 1991-96 under the same criteria, to show I'm not biased (unlike you, clearly).>1991Stardust MemoryCB Chara Gou Nagai WorldHonoo no Tenkousei>1992Giant RoboKurenai no ButaVideo Girl Ai>1993Dr. Slump: Arale-chan - Ncha! Penguin Mura yori Ai wo KometePatlabor 2Orguss 02>1994Votoms: Kakuyaku taru ItanGo Go AckmanMacross Plus>1995Gunsmith CatsGhost in the ShellArmitage III>1996Gegege no Kitarou: DaikaijuuKidou Senshi Gundam: Dai 08 MS Shotai (genuinely the worst anime between both lists, but it sure looks pretty)Dragon Ball: Saikyou e no MichiOverall, I found the showings from the 2020s to be more impressive when going through the prettiest anime on my lists. Both in terms of narrative and visuals most of the time.
>>292257702They're right though
>>292257852why can't /a/'s schizos be like this
>>292257852
>>292244856>>292244961Popeye shits on thisWhy not post a good digital animated episode like Cowboy Bebop Pierrot le Fou instead of this cancerou proto-cuhrazee muh sakuga dogshit which ruined action animation forever?
>>292257852>>292257900>this is the person who's been """policing""" OLD BAD NEW GOOD threads for the last decade
>>292257902>gets mad at anime directed by the people who made all the anime he jerks off to solely because they're "digital"lmao
>>292257910>it's policing when people disagree with me and normal discussion when I make 300 posts per thread
>>292257910I don't deny anything.
>>292236699>the scene on the right took dozens of times more labor and money to create.LOL NOThe right was outsourced to Korea for penniesMost of the money went to advertising, voice actors, paying Utada to make a song, producing merch etc.Probably a bunch of it is moneywashing too.
>>292257102kek
>>292257852He spams proxy reports on any of the posts about him being a ban evader lmao, he's one of the ecker ban evasion spammers that treats shitting up /a/ like it's a fulltime jobI look forward to when society stops providing welfare for people like that and starts killing them like the good old days
>>292258048>the ecker ban evasion spammersSo do you actually watch anime or do you solely come here when you're banned from /v/.
>>292258048>he's one of the ecker ban evasion spammers that treats shitting up /a/ like it's a fulltime jobActually, I never ban evade and I don't use the ecker./bant/s a fucking shitpost board, I don't fucking flood /a/ with shitposts I just post in seasonal threads and the occassional actual retro anime thread, and shit up low quality spam threads like these.I'd appreciate if you'd stop writing fanfiction about me.
>>292257874>why can't /a/'s schizos be like thishe is literally a /a/ schizo now as he admits in >>292257383 , you can find him in any thread related to the subject of old anime, making 200+ posts per thread samefagging about how new anime is better. he's half of this thread or thereaboutsi have no idea what it is about 4chan that attracts severely mentally ill people nowadays, but it's definitely why the site activity is dwindling. you can't discuss entire subjects on the site nowadays
>>292256264TRVTH NVKE
>>292257383>>292258112>Actually, I never ban evade and I don't use the ecker.You have been banned at least several hundred times permanently and have years of posts complaining that the 4chan moderators keep rangebanning you. I guess that's why you switched to /a/, the /bant/ mods got sick of manually cleaning up your shit all day
>>292258133>but it's definitely why the site activity is dwindling./a/ has been dropping off in activity for like a decade dude, and that's because 4chan isn't a site for anime.
>>292240695Nta but I kinda doubt it's cel animationThe film grain looks fake to meI watched that Asuka short though and I liked all of it, overall it looked like an early 2000s digital anime which I like quite a lotI wish modern anime would at least look like late 90s/early 2000s digital anime like Digimon and OG Pretty Cure and stuff >>292240745They did do a bit of cel animation for that Sayonara Lala anime but it was like 10 seconds or some shit
>>292256777damn you lost real hard to bring the good boy saar posting out
Sad to see that digitalfag (known pedophile and CP spammer from /bant/) had no arguments and lost to cel animation again.
>>292258187>Nta but I kinda doubt it's cel animationStudios have long since mastered using visual effects and CG to replicate cel animation in digital animation, it's just not done often for several reasons.The biggest one is just that, well, the people making anime and watching anime prefer how it looks now. But the other one is that it takes a lot of effort to replicate the look of older anime. That's why a series like Megalobox settled for a visually distorted image to achieve an older anime look, but you can see more serious attempts at looking like an older anime with these short specials.
>>292257329BWAHAHAHA. What are the jannies even doing at this point?
>>292257736No, now that gorilla has also retired.
>>292258179>that's because 4chan isn't a site for animeWhat is it, then? X? TikTok? Because that's where they are all going.
>>292235543Digital animation CAN mimic and be better than cel, but IF and only IF they care. this is the best examplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueB0oNajuEg
>>292258305No the issue is just that people don't come to 4chan to talk about anime. The conceptualization people have about 4chan is that it's a culture war site, and that has been the case since 2014~15.
>>292258133Not once have I samefagged or presented myself as more than one person in this thread and my first post in the entire thread was >>292244856. I get you think you found the jackpot skimming old posts on a decade old shitposting mongolian cartoon board, but you're grasping at straws
>>292258316thats literally about 2ish seconds of animation, could very well just be made with cels
>>292258320The reason people don't come to 4chan is because mentally ill spammers like you shit it up all day broski
>>292258343>retarded autist now insists that the fucking Gundam Wing anniversary video was done with cels>didn't even bother to watch it, just looked at a jpg and then wrote his stupid postYou're the dumbest person on this board, please go back to /v/.
Digital killed off skills that are only learnable through hand drawnGenerative AI will kill off most artistic skills in existence.They will use AI because it's the most efficient thing to do, especially for background, effects and "other stuff"
>>292258358No, it's because you can get the same experience on twitter.
>>292258343watch the video, faggotstarts at 0:55 lazy faggot
>>292258365>Generative AI will kill off most artistic skills in existence.Luckily AI is going to bring back high quality cel-style animation and fix anime. I'm looking forward to it. Only AI can save this dying industry
>>292243974Left is soulRight is soulless digital lighting
This thread in summary:>fag spams old good new bad>has admitted he has only seen anime that aired on American TV, doesn't actually watch new anime>if he sees a good looking digital anime, he says it was secretly animated with cels while providing no evidence>if he can't sell that, he'll just say it doesn't count>insists everyone else in the thread is the autist despite having been here for a full day with no breaks and having written half the posts here
>>292258436this thread is multiple autists and gigaschizos arguing with eachother
>>292258436This thread is mostly a mentally ill gay pedophile from /bant/ who has been banned several thousand times, agreeing with himself that modern anime is superior>>292258166
>>292258112>I don't fucking flood /a/ with shitposts I just>shit up low quality spam threads like these.You need to be removed from /a/. You admitted to actively shitting up this thread because of your personal opinion. Troll.
>>292258480Nah it's actually mostly what I described.If over half the thread is one poster, that poster is the obvious issue.
>>292258450Are these like AI derailment bots? Or did this thread just happen to be unfortunate enough to attract multiple autists and schizos at once who all happen to be diametrically opposed to each other? It's like the online retard version of the shootout at OK Corral.
>>292258516Is this supposed to be some kind of self-deprecating humor skit or something?
>>292258535It's easily observable in the thread. The /bant/fag is far less controversial by comparison.
>>292258534Old good new bad threads are always infested with fags from /v/ who have never actually watched much old anime and just want to spam opinions they got from twitter.
>>292246690>Cel died because the materials started to die in the mid 90's, the biggest manufacturer closed doors and the alternatives sucked, so supply was limited and companies started migration to digital. Toei did it in 1997, during the 90's Kitaro run.LMAO are you retarded?Toei did it in 1996 with Dr. Slump remakeThey always want to make animation cheaperCel didn't die, it was phased out because they thought digital was the same but cheaper/more convenientThey were wrong of courseEven then it took until early 2000s for the transition to completeI'd kill for modern anime to look as good as early digital anime didPeople who shit on early digital should be rounded up and shot
>>292257329>>292257338Why are nu-anime defenders like this
>>292258556One guy got banned and I don't think half the posts disappeared.Now if that other guy got banned...
>>292258534old good new bad threads have always, always been a magnet for low quality shitposting and flame warsi think the /bant/ guy's the one who's been here the longest, he doesn't make these threads but he's been arguing with the people making these threads since 2018
>>292251881>the old anime even snuck in some pussy slit that wasn't in the mangakek
>>292258611>Go watch Cinderella Gray, it's like Ashita no Joe but goodThat was 10x worse than everything else he has said combined, even if it's shitpost
>>292258611This guy is probably chris chan-tier IRL.Utterly scintillating, spinetingling cringe
