downfalls of being friends with girls
>>33570217>downfalls of being friends with girls>friends>with girlsWhen it comes to women, the idea of friendship the way you know it with men doesn’t really exist. Why? Because friendship presupposes equality in depth, in struggle, in the search for truth. With women, it’s different: the relation is grounded in need and attraction. You’re either useful, or you’re desirable. Strip that away, and the connection evaporates.Every interaction is, at its root, a transaction of power and utility. She looks at what you can provide: protection, status, pleasure, resources, validation. Even if it’s subtle, that’s the axis everything spins on. If you’re handsome or commanding, she wants to bask in that glow. If you’re resourceful, she wants the benefits. But the illusion of a “pure” bond, something detached from advantage, is just that, an illusion.Sometimes, I still decide to give a chance to some woman, and try to befriend them, but it always comes to this: You're either useful or desirable. It kills me inside, because I can see through their lies. That's what happens when you read Nietzsche and Schopenhauer.
>>33570217You are very likely to develop feelings. You are guaranteed to think about her sexually.
>>33570217They'll take all your money.They'll jump on a bigger cock eventually and it won't be yours since you're in the perpetual friendzone.They'll come to you for admiration, consolation and anything the bigger dick doesn't provide her but you get nothing but all her whining and bitching.
When I was a horney male teenager, I saw no use for other boys. Now, as an old man, I don't see any use for anyone who doesn't have at least a masters in physics, and that goes double for women even with a physics degree. Women are not responsible for anything, blame others for all their problems, have terrible cognitive bias, and suffer from Dunning Kruger. Most of them have a bunch of other problems like Borderline Personality syndrome and narcissism. Hope this helps.
>>33570246>special case>she cuts me off years ago>no contact, nothing>years later i reach out>she lets me back into her life>we talk againmost likely just a good person or dumb?
You don't see them and spend most of your time either texting because you have too much in common. Remember opposites attract and similarities repulse. The more you have in common with girls god will punish you by pushing those people away. Avoid cliffs when dealing with women who share many similarities, you both might jump. It's why good girls like bad guys and serial killers. Why good men love evil women. When a lady tells you you are good listener, it means she's a good talker and you are a match.
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>>33570296>special case>she cuts me off years ago>no contact, nothing>years later i reach out>she lets me back into her life>we talk againNot just women I let back into my life, even new women. What pains me more is this: I try to befriend different women from different backgrounds, even women who knew they were unattractive. But at their root, the only thing they care about in a man is what he can give them. The relationship is always grounded in your usability or your attractiveness. How can anything genuine come out of that? It is impossible. There is no way. The real problem is that they have destroyed most male spaces.
>>33570320>can men and women even be real friends?>are we all just using each other now?>what do men actually get out of these “friendships”?>is modern dating culture to blame or is this just how it’s always been?Any of you actually have platonic female friends? Did it ever feel real?
>>33570217I won't read fragments of a sentence threads.
>>33570355>Any of you actually have platonic female friends? Did it ever feel real?No, only when I was a kid. I always tried though. Never lasted, women are not capable to have an Aristotelian friendship with men
how is this asking for advice?
>>33570370I won't read... Get a life "I won't read" dude.
>>33570382>emotional honesty>male isolation>female kindness>feeling used in friendships>genuine question.
>>33570217Don't be friends with a girl who you're attracted to. It'll come back to bite you in the ass!
>>33570371>Aristotelian friendship with men>this is the highest form of friendship.>you're friends because you admire each other's character and want the best for each other.>based on mutual respect, virtue, and shared values.>Takes time, trust, and honesty to build.Can only happen between people of good moral character.
>>33570412>Can only happen between people of good moral character.Which is rare in women. Look at what the writer of Ecclesiastes wrote:Ecclesiastes 7:27-28Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.[Basically the author found only one righteous man among a thousand, and no righteous woman at all. This is what happen when society is in moral decay. Women don't have morals of their own. The author could have searched among a million, and he wouldn't find any. Unless God preserved.]
>>33570296>>she cuts me off years ago>>no contact, nothing>>years later i reach outBro have some self-respect.
>>33570468>Woman don't have morals of their own>Unless God preservedThis we can conclude, unless she is God sent/God centered she is above moral decay.On the positive side, look at these verses about friendships:Proverbs 17:17 "A friend loves at all times, and a brother is born for adversity."[A true friend isn’t fair weather. They’re with you in pain, loss, and hardship. That includes good women who walk with you in loyalty.]>From the same bookEcclesiastes 4:9-10 "Two are better than one. For if they fall, one will lift up his fellow."[Companionship is essential to survival emotionally, spiritually, and even practically.]Proverbs 27:9 "Oil and perfume make the heart glad, and the sweetness of a friend comes from his earnest counsel."[A good friend gives you wise, honest advice not flattery. This can absolutely come from a woman with godly character.]
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>>33570515I agree with you. Sorry for deleting and reposting my comments, I was fixing some grammar mistakes, they kind of trigger me.
>>33570588That's fine, we had a great discussion.
>>33570405>feeling used in friendshipsisn't this typically both ways though?
>>33570601>One sided emotional labour>Feeling worse after interacting
>>33570629aren't most guys friends with girls for the hopes of getting with them? not just to be friends with? and the moment they're given the red light, they either cut off everything they've built with them or stay as their gigasoy friend who watches them get with another men?wahmen use men too, don't get me wrong, but most guys are really only friends with girls for sex first and friendship second
>>33570644Agreed>wahmenwhat's this?
>>33570653I'm so retarded, is it women? Oh no.
if you can control yourself, it's actually quite nice. if you don't get other female attention, at least. yeah of course i imagined what it would be like fucking her, but i never felt the need to intentionally make things awkward between us.also she was lesbian.
>>33570217My friend has an ex girlfriend he's still friends with and she still hangs out in our group. It can be awkward sometimes.>>33570246>When it comes to women, the idea of friendship the way you know it with men doesn’t really exist. Why? Because friendship presupposes equality in depth, in struggle, in the search for truth. With women, it’s different: the relation is grounded in need and attraction. You’re either useful, or you’re desirable. Strip that away, and the connection evaporates.This seems like pseudo-intellectual BS you just made up generalizing from your own experiences to be universal.I mean, I'm MtF, but as a dude I made a bunch of friendships with women throughout my life. It wasn't status or attraction. I've always been a bit of a nerd who made friends with other nerds, and I basically looked androgynous in a not attractive way, so it couldn't have been either.Making friends is about a more human connection, enjoying talking about things you like and spending time with the other person, and this isn't exclusive to same sex friendships.
>>33571447>This seems like pseudo-intellectual BS you just made up generalizing from your own experiences to be universal.Not op but it's true. When you're older and friends with girls ages 25+ this is the case.
i'll say this, having female friends is nice 1) because she can help you meet other women to date and 2) easier to talk to about emotional stuff.in my experience when i talk to my male friends regarding struggles, goals, issues, etc. is "bro just get laid" or "bro just go to the gym" and never gets more intellectual than that.
>>33571843Agree with this anon also. Women are intuitive.
>>33571843This, my female friends listen to my problems a lot more than my male friends do. Idk what other anons are talking about. My male friends' solutions are similar. Add onto that going to the bar and drinking. It doesn't solve anything, it's just a distraction. My female friends actually listen to my shit and offer me advice - very valuable because it gives a female perspective. I've always asked my female friends for relationship advice and to help me understand my gf.
>>33571880>My female friends actually listen to my shit and offer me advice - very valuable because it gives a female perspective.What anon said. It's saved me the headaches.
>>33570246>You’re either useful, or you’re desirable. Strip that away, and the connection evaporates.This.Experienced it many times in my 37 years of life
>>33571447>It wasn't status or attraction>I'm MtF>I made a bunch of friendships with women throughout my lifeAre you sure? Think about it, think deep enough why they are friends with you, and you may realize. You need self reflection.
>>33570217Every female friend I had eventuality tried to fuck me.Just know they like to bitch a lot.
>>33571843>>33571880ive experienced the opposite. my male friends give great advice. female advice has amounted to "stop caring" or "take drugs." admittedly, i havent made many close friendships with women, so id imagine the advice would be better if they were more invested.
