Today is my last day in the wage cage.
I'm 32 just started working out again. Still skinny.
I live with my parents and have loads of savings.
Probably going back to community college.
I feel like now is my only chance to meet a woman who doesn't see me as betabux.
If she's willing to date me as a broke loser (minus my 50k savings I won't flaunt) then she's a keeper.
I've only ever been betabux to women. Not even got a good job really, just slightly above average pay.
I don't know what to do at this point. I'm focusing on getting my life back on track and for real this time.

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Has anyone actually noticed a difference in matches quality/quantity when writing something as an opener compared to just sending a like on dating apps?

>>33583808
Yes, you get many more responses if you demonstrate that you did even the bare minimum reading their profile

>>33583808
No. I do a witty response relating to something on their profile almost every time and nobody gives a shit. As long as you’re hot you can open with anything and I’m unfortunately not hot and never was.

>>33583840
>>33583905
I'm with the first anon on this. Sending a simple Hey or Hey what's up is zero effort. Of course, you still have to follow rules 1&2, but thoughtful opener increaes your chances a lot

>>33583808
you'll get the most leverage with high quality pics that tell the story of a guy with an awesome social life

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I'm going to focus on studying and earning money, I'll worry about women only later, or women will be a consequence of this. I can't focus on both things

>>33584110
fundamental misunderstanding of women, be careful. those things will make your life easier but women are attracted to a man who sucks the energy out of the room and you can do that at any dollar level

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>girl that i had a crush on for years finally admitted that she's entering a relationship
I know I should be happy for her but it still kinda stings. I'd still like to at least be friends with her. Is it just best for me to move on and finally give into dating apps?

>>33584194
>crush
>for years

Did you ask her out even once? This is going to color the rest of my reply

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>>33584217
ah fuck here we go
The answer's no and I feel fucking stupid now that you pointed it out. We VC every couple of days on Discord and usually just play vidya with her. She lives on the other side of the country so I doubt we were ever gonna meet IRL, but I still feel like I both fucked up, yet at the same time I felt like I never actually had a chance with her.

It's hard being lonely.

>>33584232
We’ve all been there where we sat around too long without acting on a crush.

But your instincts are correct. Living on opposite ends of the country are going to make even the best of relationships difficult to establish. The problem is you needed to prioritize this thinking and understand that this is probably has good as it’s going to get, and moved on a long time ago.

>>33583742
any advice on getting a smart, autistic, coquettish gf to like me?

>>33584597
find where they hang out and dominate the peer group

>>33582117
I would.
I can't do something when I feel its immoral and I don't have the appearance to attract women physically

So how can you hold a conversation if you meet someone on a night out? I'm pretty confident in talking to people but I just wouldn't know what to talk about if there's nothing happening to drum up a conversation

>>33583808
Yes, this is why I slayed on Hinge whereas I didn't exist on Tinder
Personality accounts for something, if you're not going to draw women with your looks you might as well have a good personality

How can I get a black gf? Due to events in the past, they're who I'm most attracted to. But sometimes it seems like they don't like white guys.

>>33585000
By trying to connect topics and having some ready made conversation starters in case that fails. Talk about yourself unprompted, but not all the time obviously. Ask question, thankfully women love talking

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how do I tell a girl to brush her teeth more

I've been hooking up with this chick and don't want to move on from her because a) she accepted that we will fuck but not date and b) she's on birth control
but last time we hung out she had something in her teeth and I could see some plaque build up, I guess I had never gotten a good look at her teeth before
I was reluctant to make out with her and stick my tongue into that so we didn't have sex. how do I remind her to brush her teeth next time we hook up?

>approach pretty girl in mall
>We immediately go on a hangout
>try to touch her/hold her hand as a prelim to kissing
>rejected
>ok... time to wrap up
>Hang out with friend (also pretty girl)
>see other girl I was on a date with
>fast forward, they're hanging out all night
>I get pretty girl I met at mall on another date the next day
>still dont feel comfortable escalating, usually its easy tot ell, but she creates distances ever so sllightly, keeps gazes but not for long enough to signal a kiss.. it just doesnt feel right
>friend invites us to dinner she cooked
>nothing happens between us all night
>we get drunk
>ask her to my room, she says no

I feel like I just got a friend for my friend.

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what do i even say from here?
doesnt want to date immedietly, and didnt give me any social media

i am so bad at breaking the ice i hate it so much

>>33586424
too friendly and polite, headed for the friend zone. doing way too much talking and asking for very little engagement in return. don't text for a while, then drop a random thought in like 25 hours

>>33586592
>doing way too much talking and asking for very little engagement in return.
not that anon, but what are you supposed to do then? Just give 1 or 2 word responses?

>>33586653
no, more like tug of war, push and pull. sometimes you do more talking, sometimes you let her. the vibe that has worked for me really well is almost like i'm a friendly guy who's trying to get out of the conversation. i'll engage, lightly tease her, but don't mind putting my phone down and leaving the room either

>>33586673
you wouldn’t happen to have any examples would you?

>>33586693
for a lot of guys it's literally just refusing to answer when they give you a low effort response, that's a start. or tease them for it with a playful roleplay, like "if this is how it's going to be on the date, i'm only buying a happy meal" spicy and gets the words flowing

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Reposting from previous thread

There's this situation at work with this one girl but I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into it or if she's actually serious:
>catch her staring at me randomly when I'm not looking
>we live relatively close and has shown me exactly where she lives on google maps
>approaches with a big smile on her face
>laughs at a lot of my jokes
>jokingly shouted "you don't know nothin bro!" over some convo we were having and kept getting closer, she laughed and she started to blush
but
>has rolled her eyes at me when I've tried talking to her when she was outside waiting for her ride
>caught her staring at me very angrily once, when questioned she just laughed and said "i didn't say anything"
>texts me but only when we're going to be working together, we work together on wednesdays, she ignored my previous messages for an entire week until it finally hit wednesday and she replied to all of my messages

>>33586424
I would just ask for the date. Don't waste your time. Women LOVE attention and many of them will waste your time for it. They want the attention from a boyfriend without them being responsible for a boyfriend. So I would just tell her you want to take her on a date and ask her when she is free. If she gives you BS or any major delays like "I don't know maybe in two or three weeks down the road." Then just move on and find another girl. However, if she has a good excuse like a close relative died or she's sick that's different. Women who are intersted in you will clear their calendar for you. They will make time for you. Remember, if she gives you BS or makes it hard for you ask yourself this: "Would she do this to Mr. Chad?" If not, then she's probably not intersted in you. Also, don't say "sorry" too much. Apologizing way too much to women especially for things that are not your fault makes you look like a dork.

>>33586763
if it wasn't a work situation i would immediately accuse her of being into me and stalking me and then leave those interactions like I 100% believed it. i think she might think of you as some sort of weird work-husband thing thanks to her weird responses when it's out of work context.

>>33586777
Well I've been acting a little non interested, like the other day she playfully out her hand near my face and looked back at me with a big smile on her face, and I just had a neutral face, I dunno. Hopefully I she doesn't think I don't like her because of that and that's the reason why she's been acting that way.

>>33585713
Got any good conversation starters by any chance?

I’m going to try and get better at approaching women by talking to girls working at cafes
any tips and how can I know if they’re responding positively or negatively? I want to try being more warm and friendly and smile more and talk to them but I need some kind of gauge on how they react

>>33587310
Laughing, smiling, facing your way with body, not being stiff.
If they help keep the conversation going and ask questions back and ask deeper questions into the same topic once you find some common grounds (you should also do this). If you constantly have to think oh shit what do I say now and go by a checklist of questions and topics without much engagement they are not interested, see this guy for example >>33586424. His texting is kinda bad but she didn't really try to make it work either.

I've lost my mojo on the first kiss.
I had a gf I kissed and fucked day one, got dumped, and have proceeded to have around 5 dates where I don't feel comfortable going in for a kiss, or I do and get rejected (they were the mid ones). I got a 3rd date tonight with this girl I haven't kissed yet, we get close and stare into our eyes and flirt but I just can't do it. Shes so cold, my last gf was so warm. She wouldn't hold my hand. I'm thinking of just starting with a kiss attempt to not waste my time.

>>33587450
You got close staring in each other eyes and didn't kiss? I'm surprised you got another date after that lol. Whenever you have doubts like this you should remember that girls are trying to get lucky too, guys forget this way too much because they got brainwashed into thinking girls dont like sex. Do not go for a kiss now when you first meet up that's weird af if you didn't kiss before. Just create another of those staring situation and don't pussy out this time mate. What kind of date? Try for sex too if the kiss goes well.

>>33587412
Any tips to start? And what other topics to try?
Also what did >>33586424 do wrong?? He writes exactly how I might

>>33587450
On this topic is it appropriate to kiss and maybe squeeze her butt on the first date?

>>33587170
>family (especially siblings)
>vacations (especially dream destinations)
>current events (but not political)
>entertainment (especially TV shows, my Achilles heel, since I don't watch TV much)
It's easier with OLD, since you have an entire profile of info to work with
>>33587715
Always go for it, but never in a way that catches her offguard. Don't go immediately for a kiss, play with her hair first. Don't immediately grab her butt, touch her leg first. Start small and work your way further, if she's not stopping you, go for more

I've been dating this girl for a month, she then out of the blue tell me that she can't do this because she has a boyfriend already, then she admits she's actually married with a son. Before this I had two bad experiences with overly manipulative and lying women. Can I just give up? Do I only attract evil people?

>>33587708
Well if you're approaching girls sitting alone in a cafe you can ask if the seat is free and if they mind if you sit down for a bit. Then ask what they're drinking if it's good what they are up to today if they're from the area try to find common ground in hobbies and such and talk more about that. Like I said if she reacts positive the conversation will be easy and she will ask questions back or elaborate herself. Girls like to talk to people they like so let them.

About the other guy the thing he did wrong most is opening like that "how are you immediately into what do you do?" that's literally how those fake account bots talk to you but idk if women deal with those, moreso the 20 other guys in their matches also do the same thing and it gets annoying fast. You should just open up with a comment on something on their profile on dating apps. Other than that it's not really him, he's being a bit too formal and writes way too much compared to her but she just doesn't engage much it feels like he's talking to a wall. If this happens I straight up ask them out, if they are just bad texters but are actually interested they will agree, if they are just using you for attention they will ghost or give excuses without actually suggesting a new time, in that case you saved yourself some time and effort. Move on to the next girl.
>>33587715
>how to get a kiss
If you set the mood right silence is powerful, let's say you have a fun date lots of talk and laughter some arm touches and pushes. Later on in the date you sit on a bench or couch shoulders touching or whatever if you can have quiet moments without awkwardness that is good. You turn to her look at her face she does the same both have a smile you lean in for the kiss there.
Do not go grabbing their butts or of nowhere please that's sexual harassment.

>>33587708
so yeah my intro was pretty generic
id normally complement them on something but the profile was bland as fuck

i shouldnt of asked if they like going on a date straight away or texting, i should of just asked for a date
and when she said no to instagram i could of asked for a number. but if im being honest, i think she does have insta and just didnt want to share it, almost every woman ive known used instagram

she was 6 years older, had a shit job, and was obese, so its not a big loss but ill try better next time
its so mentally draining for me trying to think of shit to say to them though

Ok fellas I have no rizz but finally got a hinge match. I saw shes from X town so I liked one of her pics and said we learnt about the castle there in high school, she liked back with a generic ass "no way that's crazy"

Literally what the hell do I do from here? There's nothing particularly interesting or unique about her profile except maybe a picture after a running race. Thanks anons

>>33583742
>actually thought a couple of girls were interested in me
>finally work up the courage to talk to them
>one straight up says no and starts acting aloof after being friendly
>other one who I actively caught staring at me several times turned out to have a boyfriend and in retrospect was pretty obviously just trying to get my attention

I'm not sure why the fuck I actually thought I had a chance, 32 year long dry spell should've told me this is pointless. Guess I should find a specialist in chemical castration and get rid of this demonic drive because it's caused me nothing but pain so far.

>>33583967
>I'm with the first anon on this. Sending a simple Hey or Hey what's up is zero effort. Of course, you still have to follow rules 1&2, but thoughtful opener increaes your chances a lot

No it doesn't, if you look good enough you can get away with the most basic opener possible and if you don't then no thoughtful response will ever get you matches.

So I've been talking to this girl for about 2 weeks and we had our first date in a couple hours. We were going to meet last weekend but she had work so it moved out. We basically set a time date and location and the last message I sent was basically okay I'll see you there last night. This morning a couple hours before the date she "ended the chat". So should I still even show up or is it over? It only like 10 minutes away but I dont feel like putting on the clown shoes for nothing.

>>33587965
No it's over.

>>33587801
I was talking about trying to flirt/chat with the girls working there
The thought of approaching a woman sitting alone terrifies me, I’d just assume she wants to be left alone. Is that wrong?

>>33588049
Yeah I'd say you got it in reverse. You're better off approaching girls sitting there or somewhere outside in a park. You can try and flirt and chat a little bit with girls working until they give you your order but dont hang around talking after. They are working and have to be nice to customers and got stuff to do it's not really a situation where they want to be approached.
Like really step by step here
See if any cute girls look up when you walk in, keep eye contact for a second or 2 and smile, if she givea a smile back go get your order and then walk up to her like in my previous post ask her if the seat is free and if she minds if you sit down (if she smiled back she will say yes 99% of the time). Have a chat and when you finish your drink say you gotta run and asks if she wants to go out another time (or you could even ask her to lunch/dinner right then if the time is appropriate and she has already said she got nothing else to do that day during the conversation). Then ask for phone number and go on with your day text her later that day.

Listen this eye contact + smile combo is how you signal interest, when they look back and smile in return that is them communicating back positive interest and that they want you to approach. It works in pretty much any situation. Even if she rejects you later when you ask for her number or something dont feel too bad about it, take it as a learning experience. The more you talk to girls the better you get with the next one.

>>33588049
>I’d just assume she wants to be left alone
i'll never forget approaching a woman who was receptive and then her telling me that her day had got better when i approached because she was bored. believe in yourself

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>spend most of the high school years orbiting some girls in our friend circle
>one day before graduation a classmate who also lives in my neighborhood confesses to me in a text message
>mfw
>fast forward 10 or so years
>am living thousands of kilometers away from my hometown
>get a message from another girl I knew back there that she had a crush on me
>mfw
So, the conclusions I can draw from those situations are:
1. Despite having no success with women since college years (when everyone fucked everything), I'm not as hopeless as I thought.
2. I cannot for the life of me tell when a woman is into me, so I never make a move.
Thus, my request is: can anyone share a book or a video or ANYTHING that would teach me some signs a woman is showing interest, other than the usual "laughs at stupid jokes / makes excuses to touch you / bites her lip / plays with her hair" which literally never happen with real women (or at least did not happen in the cases described above).

>>33583742
I met this girl in my bachata class and she was exceptionally nice to me, I'm planning to ask her out on a walk this Monday and I'm pretty sure she's going to say yes.

I didn't mention dating, I hadn't mentioned relationships, I just noticed that she was friendly to me and always coming to talk to me after class so I decided to ask her out

But now I'm wondering, what should I expect on this walk and how can I build a connection with her further than just friendship?

I'm glad we're having the walk, don't get me wrong. But I have never flirted IRL so I'm just taking her out and I have no idea what I'm doing or what we're going to talk about, we're literally just taking a walk.

What advice can you give me bros?
Thank you

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>>33583742
Every single woman on dating app be like
> MY WHOLE LIFE IS TRAVELING ! I LOVE TRAVELING ! I LOVE TO PARTY !

This is the most boring shit ever. I like traveling too but man i want to settle down sometimes.

>>33588396
I personally think when I see that shit, that they are all signaling that they want a man to take them abroad without them having to pay. It's not necessarily that they like traveling it's that by putting traveling on their profile they can fish for whales or desperate men who will take them to "see the world", and it's just using men. More expensive than a prostitute for the man, and the girl probably expects to be pampered emotionally too

>>33587825
>its so mentally draining for me trying to think of shit to say to them though

It is a ball ache. Especially when they don't ask questions. If you both manage to find something you can relate about, then it all runs smoothly.

I've just matched with a girl who likes R&B and we started a convo from there. Mentioned a song that she likes and started telling me she's freaky when that song comes on.

As other anons say, if the woman likes you, she will match the effort. That Hayley girl sounded boring as fuck so I'd have given up.

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Serious question here: but what's the point trying to find a girlfriend when there's always going to be a guy who's better-looking, richer, got a bigger cock etc. It just seems like an exhausting waste of time when she's either going to be unsatisfied and make your life hell, or just jump onto the next best guy as soon as she gets the chance.

>>33588919
I just enjoy my turn man. I no longer worry about if a bitch is gonna cheat or give other men attention or even follow my lead properly. I just enjoy the time until I get bored enough to just let the relationship end in some way or other. I don't have the patience anymore to train a bitch whose been running wild all her life

>>33583742
Been working out bros and I'm seeing hot bitches on the trails I walk. How do I go about chatting them up? Usually I'm sweating buckets and just trying to finish my trek so I wondering how I can not come across as some sweaty dude just looking to smash (which I am honestly)

>>33588951
I wish it was that easy. I don't see the point putting myself out there when I'll always be second best.

Any bro got some thoughts?
>>33589441

>>33588919
I have an even better question.
If you're not looking for someone who's going to disprove all the redpill stuff, what's the point?
Inb4 le you are ebin never going to find that who cares lol
I just want an autistic, slightly motherly gf. if she was born male its a plus

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What do I do if a girl looks at me like this? I've missed out on several opportunities because I didn't know what to do.

How to deal when both sisters or BFF like you?

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>>33583742
When a woman checks out of the relationship it's gg on the spot, right? There's no amount of effort, money, or saying the right thing to fix it, right? The sadness and whatever else is formality.

>>33590162
It's usually it's your go ahead to make out with her.

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>>33583742
Man, I've had nothing but bad experiences with women
I remember at my old job, there was this girl that I liked and she was always asking me, "where's my sandwich, Anon?", because I would always eat a sandwich at lunch. So one day I decide that I should get a sandwich for her too since she's always asking me where her sandwich is. So I get an extra sandwich and this time she asks me where her sandwich is, so I tell her I have an extra sandwich if she wants one. Then she bursts out laughing at me and tells all my coworkers that I actually got a sandwich for her, then she walks out of the break room laughing and tells the rest of my coworkers

>>33590162
Get away from her, because she just pooped her pants

>>33590469
Correct. Women just do whatever they want and as a man you just have to deal with it. Women are completely immune to being reasoned with, so you can't reason them into anything. They just fly by whatever they feel at a given moment and it is far more difficult to influence that after she has moved on. Few women have a sense of honor or duty as well, so you can't count on that either. Lastly, women believe they should never have to sacrifice for anyone else. This is why lesbian relationships are so volatile and have so much abuse - because women are insufferable narcissists that are allergic to noble traits and just masturbate in self-importance. Without a male partner, there is no party willing to compromise and sacrifice to make things work.

In short, it's joever.

>>33590162
use womangame on her. "what are you THINKING right now"
>>33588919
why try to earn money, there will always be someone richer

WHY THE FUCK ARE WOMEN ALWAYS DOING SHIT

I don't want to do shit. I just want to fuck and live live. Fucking retarded I swear.

>>33591143
1. Because other girls are doing shit, and if they aren't doing shit it means they're losers, and that's the worst thing you can be in the female world.
2. If they don't do anything for too long, they start to overthink, which always ends with them depressed and crying.

>>33588720
>>33587801
>>33587708
>>33586766
>>33586592
update: asked for the date and she said yes
going to some thai place next weekend, thanks bros

>>33587946
How did you "talk" to them exactly? I hope you didn't straight up ask them if they were interested on you.

>>33591313
Bless you dude, I'm glad it helped!
Now help me with mine please!!
>>33588356

>>33591543
No I just did a bit of small talk and then invited them on a date. Just a case of me getting my hopes up.

Kind of brutal that when I was younger I had older guys steal away girls that I liked twice and now that I’m older myself age gaps are basically taboo so I’m screwed.

>>33592106
Good on you man. Thanks for the update.
I'm this guy >>33588356
I guess I'm just gonna ask her, but I'm not as brave as you I'm not going to ask for a date, I'm just going to ask for going out for a walk. I'm much more vanilla like that. Hopefully she can still understand that I'm interested xD I think she knows. She's Dutch, those girls aren't stupid.
But yeah.. Lots of variables.. me hate variables.. just say yes woman

How do you cope with not being attractive
I see guys uglier and fatter than me with women I consider cute and would be very happy dating but just from a perspective of meeting I feel like every woman I approach would instantly not want to talk to me because of my looks

>>33593407
>guys uglier and fatter than me
why doesn't that encourage you? you're thinking about it wrong anyway, women don't think "how good does this guy look" they think "how dominant is this man in the social hierarchy"

>>33593444
Not that anon but it makes me feel worse about myself honestly. Like there’s just something fundamentally wrong with my very being that repulses women. Like God himself has cursed me out of malice

>>33593407
>I see guys uglier and fatter than me with women
>would instantly not want to talk to me because of my looks
And you really don't instantly see the inherent contradiction here?
Seriously, how do you see guys uglier and fatter than you with cute women you'd love to date and then somehow conclude that being too fat and ugly (but less fat and ugly than they are) is somehow what's holding you back?
The cognitive dissonance on display here is fascinating.

>>33593444
>>33593470
It’s more like I see them an imagine they maybe were introduced as friends or knew each other beforehand and he won her over with his personality meanwhile in my case I don’t have anyone that will do that for me so I’m just trying to win over women on a first impression which is hard when I’m not attractive

>>33593479
Anon you shouldn't have to rely on friends "introducing" you to women, that's really not how it works...how many of your friends have YOU introduced a woman to, for a quick example?
If you just mean in the sense of "out with friends in a social situation and because of that you meet and are exposed to more women" then yeah that is 100% true, but it's still up to you to do the talking and win her over. Don't expect your friends to do it for you.
If you're just bemoaning that you don't have friends to begin with than that's another story altogether, although it does track perfectly with what I usually see in these threads. If so, why do you not have friends? Because the same things that lead to having no women also often leads to having no friends, so they're a package deal more often than not.

>>33591139
Women can almost always do better, and they're hardwired to be hypergamous. Ofc just because a guy fucks her doesn't mean he's going to date her, but women aren't smart enough to catch onto that.

out of nowhere, i might go on a walk with a woman next week. if this happens, itll be the third time in the last 6 years that i talk to a woman that isnt my mother. what do i talk about? please give me conversation topics, i literally have zero ideas what to talk about and its my biggest problem

Hey anons, I feel like I need specific advice on what to do next to help actually get my romantic life started with women. The reason I say I need specific advice is because I have a mixed history in dealing with women. My physical appearance has never been very good, even if I don't actually think I'm ugly, I've always just been kind of fat and dirty. Despite that I've definitely had moments in my life where I've had women laughing so hard they look retarded and feeling like I could easily dominate an entire room and anything I said felt like it moved entire conversations and I could say anything I wanted and it would be funny or interesting.

I started getting into ERP and erotic writing and now its gotten to the point where I've had women (yes actual women, they've sent me pics with timestamps and stuff and even video chatted), saying that even though I'm a virgin IRL they bet I fuck extremely well because of intensity/passion and being able to read their moods and tempt parts of them to come out to play instead of just asking if they're interested and giving up.

Is it really as easy as losing weight and getting cleaned up? Will that shift the game completely? Really all I feel I need is the ability to get close enough to women and get that initial "yeah lets play" sort of response from them after I signal I'm interested and I could seal the deal. If I get even a little positive interaction, or even a spicy negative reaction I feel like the game is at least on and I have something to work with.

The reason I don't think it works right now is because I think most women think I look creepy and that I'll drag them in an alley and rape them or something (not in an attractive way)

is this guy legit?

https://www.youtube.com/@CaseyZander

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>have to read all of pic related, and completely and wholly absorb the content and integrate it into your personality
>any minor slip up in any social interaction with who you are courting and it's over
>additionally have to read other Robert Greene books such as
>48 Laws of Power
>The Laws of Human Nature
>if you aren't HTN (high tier normie) or above in looks it never began
>all this for a crumb of pussy from a used up whore with tons of emotional baggage that will not commit to you or be loyal to you or respectful of you, and will ultimately end up cheating on you

What's the point exactly?

>>33593824
>https://www.youtube.com/@CaseyZander
his practical advice is high quality but he takes forever to say some very vague stuff

>>33593857
>it's NOT FAIR that I have to be socially competent and look at least halfway presentable to get women!
>I should be able to get women who are way better than what I am myself
These are the twin tenants of every whiny incel and incel-adjacent post like this one. Every time.
If you don't think there's a point anon, then by all means you are free not to bother and do without. But don't also whine about it, you don't get to have it both ways.

>>33587450
>>33587506
Ok, she invited me out tonight but I found out she invited 2 other betas. We hung out, flirted more, she teased me and honestly was rude as fuck. As soon as the betas went to the bathroom I went I'm to try a kiss and she didn't like it, so I left. Deleted her number, cleaned my hands of it. Waste of time. Wish I tried first thing.

>>33585569
They love white dudes homie. Just talk to them and they will immediately give you interest. Race mixing aside yeah if that's how you wanna go it's super easy for a goofy white boy.

We are on a waiting list with women. While she is trying to date us, she is on fuckboi number 3590 and his sense of humor is better than ours. You all, you need to be the top man out of all of those fuckbois she is talking to. You need her to get into the motion of being like:
"Yeah he's just a fuck boi like all the rest." -Throws phone on couch and has fun with you-

You need that to happen. Everything else is superficial. The guy who stands out and understands and listens to her in a way that makes her feel special, always wins.

I had a date with a female. She texted "i had a good time :)" afterwards but subsequently left me on delivered until 3pm the next day. She did respond playfully tho. Should I consider this a red flag and just not respond? Feel like she would only do that if I wasn't her priority or there is some other guy she prefers.

>>33594346
Tell her that you want her to respond quicker, and if she doesnt then move on

>>33594346
You're not a priority to her. Trust me, when a girl absolutely worships you, you will know. Keep the bitch around for now to get experience, but don't get attached. Ghost her ass as soon as you find someone better. This is the how the game is played. I didn't make the rules.

>>33593459
No one cursed you except for your parents if they have shit genes. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. No one is entitled to anything. This is a highly competitive market and you have to get to a level where you are competitive. You need to be the best you can be to get a decent woman. Work on yourself for now. You are in no place to be asking for advice for woman at the moment. Take a year and work your ass off, exercise, diet, social skills, etc. If that happens, you can come back here to ask for advice. This is no place for a whining.

>>33593752
Is this serious or is this bait? You admitted you are fat and dirty. Do you seriously need validation from anons on the internet that this is a problem you need to fix? You've got a lot to learn.

>>33594346
It's not that deep dude. You went on 1 date so far.

>>33594438
Yeah but I have had girls who texted me before I even got home from the date. So I know how girls behave if they're interested.

All the girls I actually like seem to have no interest in me. Maybe it's karma for me ghosting two girls after sex earlier this year. Perhaps I'll just return to monk mode

gf of 3 months is on a 2 week vacation with her sister. she checked in with me and replies fast, but how often should i be messaging her? kinda want to give her space to enjoy and avoid being needy. feeling a little insecure but i can recognize it happening i guess

>>33594449
Like once or twice a day, more but only if she's the one to initiate

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>>33588307
>Thus, my request is: can anyone share a book
check recommended books >>33593857

>>33586763
You're being vague with your intentions so she pulls away every now and then because she doesn't want to go through the humiliation of liking someone and them not liking you back.

>>33585882
Hahahahahaha all the men here spend their time coming up with elaborate schemes to get pussy and looksmaxx meanwhile women can have stank breath and unwashed pussy and get any man they want hahahahahaha

I have extreme emotional volatility, I also have a real anxious love style where I assume a girl is going to ghost/reject me which can trigger intense depression and sometimes leads to self sabotage or substance abuse to cope. Nothing has seemed to help. When my ex broke up with me earlier this year I went on a 3-day bender.

>>33586763
>>has rolled her eyes at me when I've tried talking to her when she was outside waiting for her ride
if a girl is angry/pissed at you for seemingly no reason, there's a good chance it's because she likes you and she's frustrated you won't make a move. Assuming of course you're not autistic and you didn't do some weird shit

>>33583742
thoughts on creating a social group or environment where you are the top person or leader and then using that to get pussy? I was thinking someone who owns a streamer house and hangs around. maybe have a girl paid who is wing women and really vouches for you

reaching my mid 30's, I had LTRs throughout my 20's with girls my age and just above, all of them wanted to marry after a year or two of dating, I never really wanted to because I always felt like I could do better and I was working on my career.
Now, I've dated girls 10+ years younger than me, much prettier and interesting to me than those girls I dated and all I want to do is marry them right away. Especially my last gf was literally right out of my dreams. She pulled the same hypergamist shit I pulled. Is this just God tellling me I reap what I sow? She could have just wanted a good time, but I felt like she really loved me so I fell for it.

Pros and Cons of dating younger women? I figure if I had money, it would be pretty easy, but I lost my good job. Thinking of switching career paths or going back to school, but mid 30's is tough. I guess I could get girls in college if I went back easier than in my 20s

>>33596797
pros are they're hotter and will be hotter for longer than women in their 30s. they also have less baggage. cons are some people really seethe about age gap, but who cares about their opinion

>>33596812
Yeah I definitely know that, and they are more open to dating me due to my age as well. All my friends hate on it but I do it anyway. I'm just wondering down the line if the brainwashing is just too deep in our culture, that they'll eventually regret marrying/starting a family with you and "missing out" on their 20s. Even the two girls I dated recently, 18-21 year olds had 1 bf before me were willing to play a bit of a housewife role for a bit, but eventually opted to choose college over me, causing us to part ways.

I guess I should just keep trying, but at some point I'm just going to be too old.

I've got my first date since getting dumped back in may tomorrow morning, going for coffee and a walk. Any last minute date tips?

Im 22. No friends, I work 8 hours night shift 7 days a week, all men. Im hardly around any women. When I go out its just biking for a few hours, and usually. Their arent many people when I go as Its eaiser to speed and ride wild compared to my citie's downtown. Where exactly do I go meet women around my age? Daiting apps give me 0 success.

how many matches do you guys get on dating apps per week or month

on bumble/tinder/hinge for a week and so far got 6 total and 1 date planned
is this good? i only go for fat chicks tho

Can I get a woman who likes me if look like eggman from sonic

>>33597541
Looks don't matter. How you listen, does.

>>33597541
the goose is loose

>>33596797
>I've dated girls 10+ years younger than me
where do you find them? i'm in a similar spot as you, except i only end up dating girls my age and they're all dead inside

>Pros and Cons of dating younger women?
less baggage is the big pro
also anyone who says older women are more mature is a fucking liar

>I guess I could get girls in college if I went back easier than in my 20s
i went back to college just for the hell of it while i was looking for a job in my late 20s
best i could do was a mid-20s chick in a similar position as me
maybe it's just me but zoomers are fucking weird and i can't rule out that part of it had to do with them perceiving me as old

>ask her out
>she responds with
>"I don't know"
>"We'll see"
That's not exactly a rejection is it? She hasn't blocked me and still responds to my texts in a timely manner. "We'll see" means she is expecting more from us in the future no? Not necessarily a romantic future but still. Should I keep playing ball in the off chance something happens? I can't help but really like her.

>>33598043
If she really liked you, how do you think she would've responded?

I think she's just being polite.

Better to just rip the bandaid off. No point hanging around for someone who doesn't want to meet you where you're at

>>33598043
Male
I was in this position several times, and It's a soft no. She doesn't want it but she also doesn't want to say no because saying no to guys is scary. That being said, depending on how long we've known each other I might pursue her a bit more and then ask her out another time, just to make sure that I did my due diligence. If at that point she's still unsure, then I know for sure that it's a no.

No I just being more flirty which chicks on dating apps?
I try to write nice things but never get a response meanwhile I said something crude to a hot chick and actually got a match until she ghosted me?
Like if she’s posting bikini pics should I just say something about it

>>33598355
i like to mess with her, pretend it didn't come through etc. denies her the validation

>>33590638
retard

>>33598371
Next time I'm just gonna knock a bitch's ass out if she makes fun of me, I don't give a fuck anymore

>>33596797
>I felt like she really loved me so I fell for it.
Many such cases.

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>>33583742
Is it acceptable if I ask for advice to improve myself and my life before I consider dating officially?

I am not at a point where I can go out looking for companionship, but I'd like to try after I've gotten my shit together more.

Is it cool if I still ask questions here?
I'm in a bad spot in n life but I'm determined to be better.

This weekend i went to a bachelor's party trip, and i had some big ass beautiful grind on me and let me suck on her tits as well

I realized then that i cant deal with this shit anymore. Im paying a hooker to lose my virginity, im done. I wanted to do it correctly, i wanted to do it with love and care, it could have even been a one night stand, no big deal with that since you can feel a connection even just for a night, but i was denied of this. I need to have sex already.

>>33596843
you could go for girls who don't go to college or who hate being in college. the rates of college attendance are going down since people realize how much of a scam it is

>>33598605
You think that's going to change anything?

>>33598732
ive been denied of the pleasure of sex for long enough. I need to slap some ass even if i cum in 5 seconds. I need to feel the touch of a woman and get used to that.

>>33598605
>love and connection
>from a one night stand
Kek, it's always funny to read what virgins think sex is like. Just keep it real with yourself and with us and say you want to get some ass, at least it's honest.

>>33590638
no good deed goes unpunished
central precept. at least learn it

>>33598867
Dude, im an emotional guy. I want to have sex with a woman that likes me back, it is that simple. As a one night stand, i dont mean "me hard, you good ass, lets fuck", i mean more like meet a woman in the night, she stays with me, we talk, we flirt, we end up fucking and maybe i never see her again

>>33598877
>and maybe i never see her again
That means she obviously didn't like you.

>>33589454
Depends on how well do you know each other? Do you talk to her or does she even know you exist? If the former, just add her. If the latter talk to her and ask her for her number and evade the entire social media bs game. In fact that might be better in both cases.

>>33598877
>woman that likes me back
A woman will only like you if you are indifferent, if you start to like her, her level of liking you will drop.

>>33598885
at least she did spend the night with me and not another guy. She could have went with another guy, but she stayed with me. Thats something, and thats enough for me. At least i feel like im worth something.

>>33598891
yeah well, then im fucked. Its not that im very attached to girls i like and bombard them with texts and stuff, its just that im not hot enough to be totally indifferent so the woman still likes me.

>>33598902
>She could have went with another guy, but she stayed with me. Thats something, and thats enough for me.
That's not her "liking" you just because she was willing to fuck you. You have an incredibly juvenile concept of love and sex.
>At least i feel like im worth something.
And as I keep telling you idiots this is supposed to be your default state.
And it is still perfectly possible to feel like you're not worth anything even if you've had sex, had a girl like you or are even currently in a relationship. A one night stand or a gf are not a magic cure-all for this.

Been messaging an international student I recently met. For the first time in probably 3 years I feel like I am texting a girl who actually wants to message me back.
Based on our discussions and learning some of her interests, I invited her to a talk at a museum I'm planning to go on. I think it's a good idea, but at the same time I'm hesitant to spend my time pursuing a girl who's going to leave in December. On one hand, I assume most international student chicks are just here to have fun, but on the other she might be a bit of an Ameriboo based off her major. She's from Eastern Europe. So I'm hesitant to call it a date or anything, just kinda asking her to go do something one-on-one with me to get to know her better, but ready to accept just being friends due to the limited time. Men or women do you think this is a good idea, or should I invite some other people as well?

>>33599048
Good post, dude, now what am i supposed to do?
>just go to the gym bro just be hot bro
>just blackpill yourself bro just kill yourself bro
fuck off man

>>33599049
Are you trolling my guy? Wth is this self sabotaging bullshit?
>>33598877
I dont agree with the other guys. Those short flings can be amazing I've had a couple, however paying a hooker is not gonna give you what you're looking for. Go swipe on apps is what I'd suggest.

Reminder all of that "666" rule bullshit (six foot or taller, high income, handsome, good job, etc), is what women want to SETTLE DOWN with. They are so delulu they think they can do their 30 years a hoe and still get prince charming at the end.
In reality, women let all all kinds of guys smash and dash - ugly guys, short guys, guys with no job, etc. All that matters at the time is that they get pussy tingles, which usually are just face and frame period. I know guys who have triple digit body counts and are under 6'. I'm 6'2" and fit and have only fucked six girls
Above all, remember women are INCREDIBLY STUPID - go watch the whatever podcast or Darius M compilations and see exactly what they admit to.
If you want to just fuck, you have to become duplicitous and basically be a pest (goes without saying you have to have face and frame). Whether or not that's what you want to be, is up to you. Remember Lotharios and troublesome men used to get beaten by mobs and run out of towns in more civilized times

Realistically, what’s wrong with a woman who loves you so much she could fuck other guys but still comes back to you? It’s like her keeping a bunch of sex toys for her own pleasure because there is no way you could satisfy her in that way anyways, but the sex between you two is all about pleasing you sexually. Her cooing and babying you as you weakly and erratically thrust your hips into her vagina, her affirming her love for you, pulling you deeper into herself as you empty your seed in her without even getting close to making her cum. Isn’t it unfair to make the woman you love live in sexual purgatory? What’s wrong with her getting her back blown out every now and then, and being there for her when it’s all said and done, so that you can provide after care to her after being used and abused like a piece of meat? Letting her know that she is truly loved beyond simple sexual gratification, like she loves you.