>>33636494
YWNBAW

>i dont really care or get disgusted by my guy friends making sexual jokes or moves on me,
desensitized to it, although *i dont enjoy it * like a lot of people say i do
>in early 2024 i start adopting “femcel” ideology (which is inherently retarded since im not a
virgin and i am desireable by men)
>lost most of my friends for being “edgy” and “politically incorrect” (aka not being a moralfag or a
leftard and not supporting AGPs and calling pooners dykes)
>few weeks ago invited my autist femcel discord rotter friend i met in 8th grade, turns out she
had a crush on me and thought i was hot and wanted to squeeze my tits (i relunctantly agreed
and im so fucking stupid for agreeing i have a shit time with boundaries)
>only one irl friend who is male who has known me since 7th grade and we talk and i go to his
house, but even he admitted he had a crush on me when we were in 7th grade
>people are being weird about it and saying somethings going on between us

>i dont want to cuck him but i dont see him like that (idek if he likes me like that anymore, i hope
not)
>i rot on discord and 4chan all day replying to my orbiters sometimes or just hanging out on /pol/
>go on social media and seeing girls have a life and it makes me want to rope or kill them for
being what i wish i was
Replies im expecting to get
“Durrrrrrrr fuck me please aspie goddess im an incel kill all foids ”
>Ur an incel not cause ur sub5 (which is probably a big reason too) its cuz ur in a echo chamber
saying all wamenz are foids and all the same. Which i do agree. But how about the aspie
women then like me?? Ig i still have foid instincts but at least im self aware.
“Ur a woman ur life is gonna b great cuz chads cock will be in u and u will be worshiped”
>This is extremely retarded because chads cock might feel good at the moment but chad will
never love me and i dont want chad because he will always choose the NT wamenz over me
because who the fuck wants to interact with an aspie????
“Ur conventionally attractive nigga stop complaining im a woman and i look like shit”
>i still have crippling self esteem issues and the only reason i call myself "conventionally"
attractive is because i get compliments regularly so i see that the rest of the world sees me as
attractive
“Ur ugly as fuck Low tier becky kill yourself”
> i agree
“Transition then!”
>absolutely not, i would rather eat my own shit than be a pooner. I will never have XY
chromosomes no matter how much testosterone I inject into my bloodstream.
TLDR; foid who grew up with an older brother, desperately wanting to fit in and be liked by him,
women scare me, all my friends are guys (one friend) and im called a whore. And im not a
“femcel” because i am not hideous. JFL my life is over

>>33636494
Ok so i read all of this but I don't get what advice you're asking for, what do u expect minus the genering
>just transition
or
>ywnbam
(I think you should just transition if you really want to be a guy, but u only mention envying girls and not guys which doesnt sound very tranny to me)

>>33636500
Nigga im fucking cis, I wish I was a man. Did u even read the thread?

>>33636528
minus the generic*

Your thread sucks, kid. Fit it in one post.

>>33636528
I envy girls and girls being friends, i also envy guys idk

>>33636541
I couldn’t cuz I had alot to say

>>33636547
why exactly do you want to be male? let's start with this

>>33636549
Oh, come on. You can fit a lot in one post. Don’t transition.

>>33636560
So I can be myself and not be an object and so I can fuck women and be friends with guys without them orbiting me

>>33636494
Cute

>>33636573
This shit has been on my mind for years, I did do a tldr so stop your complaining

>>33636575
You have no idea what it’s like to be a man. We also get objectified.
You can get what you want as a woman quite easily despite what your phone tells you.

>>33636575
So it's more social rather than you hating your body for being female? If you were the last person on earth, would you still want to be male?

>>33636591
No I would like to be female lol it’s more a social thing

>>33636586
>what your phone tells you
How would u feel if all ur friends secretly wanted to have sex with you? Assuming you’re not a faggot, it would be pretty uncomfortable.

>>33636583
You’ve only been alive for years. You have no idea how young you are in the grand scheme of things lol
People will talk shit about anything. It’s up to you to decide to care or respond to what they have to say. You probably won’t even be in the same social circle as these people giving you shit in five years’ time, probably even sooner than that. You’re either still in or just out of high school.

>>33636612
I probably wouldn’t be their friend anymore. I’ve had to deal with that before.
Orbiters only stick around if you let them, anon.

>>33636601
okay i dont think you are a tranny, sounds like you dont really have gender dysphoria, you're simply frustrated with the social role of a female and gender norms, just realize that grass is greener on the other side, we all have bullshit we have to deal with no matter the gender, wish I could say more but you are still young so with more life experience you will get better at dealing with these thoughts.

>>33636494
>in early 2024 i start adopting “femcel” ideology (which is inherently retarded since im not a virgin and i am desireable by men)
Made me laugh.
Sister grew up as a tomboy band girl but then sprouted DDs and got into cheerleading though retained the odd girl out mannerisms, hardly had any girl friends growing up because she was a geeky band girl so girls bullied her and when she had tits girls hated her because they were jealous. She had mostly guy friends but managed a few close girl friends throughout the years, with her husband I do not know if she maintained any of those previous guy relationships, I'd guess not.
>>33636508
Do not transition.

>>33636630
Thanks anon, I guess I’ll just stick with it. Hopefully when I go to college I’ll make some friends

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>>33636501
>>33636508
You are terminally online and your post is so poorly formatted it makes you sound like a schizo. Literally actually go the fuck outside and touch grass. Take a break from discordfaggotry and reddit/4chan/x whatever the fuck you use and detox NOW.

Also transitioning is absolutely mega retarded. Many ftms think they will turn into Chad but instead they turn into a subhuman fucking incel who has it 10x worse than the foid life they had before. Femcels dont exist as you yourself admitted. Just get a cute non NT bf who treats you well and you will heal. As an incel myself I can tell you it is far worse on the other side. Chad makes it seem like being a guy is awesome and it can be, but it also sucks balls most of the time. Trooning out is just mutilating yourself more. Most ftm troons turn out like pic rel.

>>33636675
Thanks anon, and yeah most pooners dont turn out looking great.

>>33636494
im not sure what youre asking advice for but dont transition, i cant imagine how that would help your situation at all. theres nothing wrong with being a tomboy or a woman with masculine traits.

if you want to find genuine friends i would look for female friends since male friends would probably end up wanting to be more than friends with you. you might be afraid or have some reservations interacting with other women but its most likely just your trauma that has stuck with you. people are a lot nicer than you probably think and dont think bad things about you nearly as often as you think. the fear is result of overthinking and all inside your head.

have courage and find friends if you want them. remember, friendship is a two way street so remember to keep your end up. even if some relationships fail, you did your best and should not regret it. hope you find genuine friends since i think everyone deserves them.

>>33636707
Thank you anon I really appreciate it. I hope I make some good friends in cokkeg

>>33636670
No problem, and sorry that you went thru all of that. Hope it gets better, I would also recommend finding a good therapist in the future if you don't have anybody to share your issues with, if you can afford ofc.

>>33636724
No I have one but shes old asf I’ll talk to her about it

If you dont have gender dysphoria then fuck off. We dont need any more detrans grifters

>>33636675
>teenage girl
>21
women vs accountability

seems you want social advice. firstly youre never going to be a man/share mens experiences so give up hanging around spaces comprised of incels. youre extremely online and insecure. constantly making excuses to yourself that youre fundamentally fucked is keeping you with losers. best advice i can give is detox from these spaces/social media and assimilate into those with the peers you want. emphasis on finding people with similar interests, experiences, hobbies etc because people want friends relatable and impartial. surface wise you look fairly appealing (in both directions) but when you connect with peers your values/mindset is gonna show in how you talk which is probably whats turning women off in the long run. its innate for people to judge but its rarely ever personal.
sorry about your trauma. hope you find better support systems because no oned gonna do that for you.

God I hate how these BPD whores always come on here begging for attention and then retards give it to them and they never fail to get hundreds of replies

>>33637295
It's the BPD curse bro. They have crazy attraction at the cost of their sanity.

>>33636494
You should make a vocaroo

>>33636675
^
This, just be a fucking tomboy or something, why the fuck would you want to sacrifice your femininity into becoming a miserable, ugly trannies and live like that for the rest of your life, Women can still act guys and still be with the boys without having to change a single thing about them, we're not living in the 1930s anymore, we have gender equality now and can be together (though despite not being perfect, we are still getting there in society)

Not even trying to sound like a chud, I'm just fucking saying

>>33636494
I love you vivi, You're teaching me a lot about people I thought were unreachable superhumans, I wish you the best. Do get off this site, you need some time to develop your own self.

>>33636494
Stop hanging out with normalfags, they're empty shells anyway who cares about their opinions. Also you can't "transition" into anything, you'll always have XX chromosomes. That's just biology, other than that dress how you want, an NPCs opinion doesn't matter.

>>33636601
AFABs really need to be checked by someone before transitioning, no wonder trans rights are getting fucked when they're this retarded about transitioning. Shame about the real afab gender dysphorics that are going to be the main victims of your retardation, as usual

Nice blog faggot

>>33636508
Just go try and make friends with more normal women.

>>33636494
you seem based
my advice:
>do not troon out
>stop giving a shit what insane ideologues think
Back in my day (i'm 24 thoughbeit) the tranny cult was still fringe and not taken seriously. If you were a foid who wasn't into the usual girly stuff that was fine and you were called a tomboy. now we're back to 1950s gender roles except everyone who deviates is assumed to be a tranny and told to get surgery

Okay, I read it all. You have pretty good self awareness and I admire your honesty without fake modesty. Even though you didn't ask for advice, it seems you are basically wondering what to do?
>Accepted by normalfag girls as a friend
>Have a female friend group, like you see a lot of girls have online or at school
>Have some guy friends, normalfag or not, without them crushing on you
This is what you want and are having trouble obtaining for the reasons listed right? Clarify and then I'll give advice

I'm not sure what you're asking but you've got orbiters (more thanks to this thread I'm sure) so you have options but the real issue is you're too focused on unimportant stuff. Just have fun with your life. Make friends. Ask friends to hang out. Make good memories. Someday you get a boyfriend or girlfriend who cares. Just enjoy your life and stop the dumb stuff.

>>33636494
Go to Catholic Church and talk to a priest. Literally all other advice is nonsense.

>>33636494
yeah you look kind of creepy in a good way.

Find a solid guy who can make you align with society better

I gave you feedback before and I will repeat if you want to be accepted and get some normie girl friends you need a fresh start. That fresh start is college. Move somewhere to go to school and live on campus, in a dorm, and you have a chance to fully reinvent yourself. Even if you change nothing about yourself, none of these fuckers will know anything about you or stigmas/judgments placed on your that follow someone through HS. Nobody has to know you were the weird girl, because now you are attractive and can just be a normal girl making girl friends. And there is no better way to do that than the forced environment of a dorm setting, and on campus where you can join all sorts of groups and clubs. Suffer through HS year then make the move.
>/pol/
Seriously, get off /pol/ and even 4chan if possible but you likeliy won't do that. At least get off of /pol/ it fucks everyone up in a bad way the longer they are on it

>>33639689
My local catholic church has a troon flag outside it so I doubt that would help xir.

>>33639690
NPC advice.

>>33636549
At the very least, we know that this anon is a true woman.
While waiting for the fucking captcha I realized that this bitch had only wanted some attention. Fuck you and please go outside. Have a life you dumb bitch. You're not a femcel, you're just a mildly depressed young woman.

>>33636860
She's saying she started as a teenager I think

Transition if you want, but be aware that you will not experience life "as a woman, who happens to look like a man." (Comma splice is volitional there.) You will experience life as a man. This is what most FTM transitioners miss -- deep down, most of them think that they will still live in the world as a woman does, still experience the world as a woman would, just with less worries about their personal safety and with the satisfaction of being taken seriously. This is not the case. Living as a man means less worries about safety and more people taking you seriously, yes. But you will be living as a man.
>so I can fuck women and
Most likely, you will not be able to fuck women. Or men. Most people will think you're a threat to their physical safety until you're able to prove otherwise.
>but I'm not a creep so I wouldn't have to prove othe
Yes, you would have to prove otherwise.
>but I just want to be friends with guys without
Before, you were able to make easy friends with men because they saw you as an attractive woman. It's not the only reason they're friends with you, but it's the reason they started being friends with you, and it's the reason they forgive your slip-ups and faux pas. If you transition you'll be missing this social lubricant. It will be harder than you expect to make friends with men.
>but I don't want to be an object
If you transition you won't be viewed as an object. I can almost certainly guarantee that. The tradeoff is that the easy friendships, close companionship, and camaraderie with other women you experience now as you move through the world will vanish overnight. The world will suddenly become a much crueler, colder, and meaner place once it starts seeing you as a man. I'm not telling you this to scare you or brag about how bad men have it or anything like that, I'm telling you because nobody else will. When this happens, know it's not your fault, but also know there's nothing you can do about it.

>>33636494
just diet and exercise and upkeep to be as feminine as you can and sexy as you can be. Why even consider being a man? Being a man is the loneliest shit you'll ever experience, and women who have become men have killed themselves not long after realizing how much it sucks to live a few months as a man.

>>33636494
kys roastie you are not welcome here
>18
expired

>>33636501
Should have blown a fart at the exact moment she squeezed your tit. Could have been a moment to remember.

>>33636494
To add on to other anons
I suspect, with your age and previous experiences, you may have a predilicition for anything that might seems like normal attention. That'll turn into something awfully parasocial or generally brutal with extensive social media use
Recommend maybe getting a hobby of some kind, though not something retarded like speedrunning, that is something you can talk to others about and will come up in conversation. It'll make you more interesting as an individual and, if you couple it with an ideal or future job you'll be interesting enough to feel wanted in a relatvely normal social group.
Good luck and obviously trooning out is rarely a good option

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>>33636501
>>33636501
Unironically just stop caring. Its that easy. None of this sounds like an actual problem just stop caring about what other people think, they are cattle and you have The holy gift of autism. Also to avoid future problems learn to say "no"

>>33636494
Buy a strapon and get a GF. its that easy.

> lost virginity at 13

Yea you're cooked if you're telling the truth. 95% of everything you have complained about is entirely in your head. I assume that you're over 18 because you're on this website in which case it should be very very easy for you to set up a dating app or 2 or go out in public to find someone. In my non-professional opinion you probably have some kind of sexual trauma, in which case good luck properly dealing with that. The best thing to do is find a healthy coping mechanism so you dont actually whore out and become a druggie. I would recommend attempting to find 2 or 3 close female friends you're willing to be sexually active with and trying to continue with your life.

If you want my additional advice, I would move. Find something you're good at for work (if you dont already have a stable job) and just leave everything behind. The individuals you're around seem like you have potentially exaggerated their negative aspects but that could just be me.

>>33641733
>I assume that you're over 18 because you're on this website in which case it should be very very easy for you to set up a dating app or 2 or go out in public

My wording was a bit weird. I assume you're not lying about your age.

>>33641733
>"Help, i have trust issues and can't connect with people"
>"Just whore yourself out and become a lesbo"
The absolute state of this site.

Best fucking advice is to get off this board, get off this site, give social media and attention baiting a rest and get a therapist.

I seriously can't believe fuckers here recommend aggravating the issue by either recommending trooning or becoming a lesbian.

>>33636612
Some of my friends are swingers.
They have explicitly asked me.
I declined at the time.
We are still friends.

Get out of your own head.

Get a bf and fuck him.
Women where a mistake.

>>33636494
You are very attractive. Just be a girl and find a guy you get along with.

>>33640000
the biggest changes happen within two years she literally sat around and watched herself bald and then posted about it on twitter

>>33636494
Bei g a man fucking sucks. You don't want this bullshit. Just find a guy who sincerely loves you, then spend the rest of your life enjoying being pretty, loved, taken care of, and appreciated just for being yourself. You have that option. You would not if you were a man. For men you always have to provide some kind of benefit for others to have your existence tolerated.

>>33636501
>aka not being a moralfag or a
>leftard and not supporting AGPs and >calling pooners dykes

Too many big words used in a short amount of time, you just don't sound real, and even if you are, you're a conventionally attractive by your own admission 18 year old healthy and thin (if that photo is you) female. You are living life on the easiest mode, if you manage to somehow fuck that up I have 0 empathy or sympathy for you, stop being retarded and trying to turn into a boy or self-impose some ideological limitations onto yourself, and play into your strengths.
Your life is FAR from over, and you're a couple small attitude-change steps away from taking advantage of your true power as a pretty female. You can be loved by everyone, you can farm positive attention from everything, you can mobilize entire armies of both male and female simps (especially male)

I guess this brings me comfort in some place, knowing that some pretty girls are so absolutely retarded that they self-nerf and don't weaponize their beauty to it's full power. One less pretty devil to worry about

Would nut down your throat and your nose is adorable I'd suck it till I came and rub my brown starfish on it so you can smell my love

>>33636494
how are you doing tonight Vivian? :3

>>33636494
It's probably too late but I'll give a legitimate answer. The root of your problem is your own mindset. If you think logically, it's the only thing it *could* be, because you're attractive and have been told so constantly. Also, you've made it clear with your responses that the reason for "wanting to be a guy" is purely for social reasons. Being a man wouldn't solve this because you'd just be a dude with the same social issues, having made no progress because you have the exact same mindset.

So first, throw "being weird" out of the window. That's not the reason you've having issues. The reason is your complete lack of confidence. There are two halves to this. On one hand you consciously project this. It's like when you or someone you know gets a new car, and all of a sudden you start seeing that same car everywhere? It's not that you're seeing that car any more than you did before. It's simply that your mind is actively looking for it now. Likewise, your mind actively looks for reasons to affirm shitty thoughts like:
>“Ur ugly as fuck Low tier becky kill yourself”
>who the fuck wants to interact with an aspie?
>still scared to talk to women
So your mind focuses on that and ignores any evidence to the contrary. That's one half. The other half is that those thoughts are so ingrained that you SUBconsciously project that energy as well. It's in everything from the way you speak, the way you do or don't make eye contact, the way you walk....everything. Men will fuck anything that moves, hence you having a fuckton of orbiters. But women? They basically invented social dynamics. They don't have raw strength, so in order to survive they use emotions, social interactions and manipulation. They can read people like a book, so long as they've had normal social interactions from childhood. They're adepts and can smell your lack of confidence before you even enter the room. There are ways to fix this though, if you're interested.

>>33636547
>I envy girls and girls being friends, i also envy guys idk
tranny here, this doesn't mean much. you need to figure out why. why do you envy girls and why do you envy guys? keep digging at it.

if you can't dig anymore then you'll feel content (or you have an anxiety issue and should see someone about that instead), but if you can dig and you get to solid conclusions like 'i envy guys because i want to be like one in X regard' or 'i envy girls about what they get but not what they are' then yeah, you're probably trans.

>>33636494
i will say that if your only reasons for not transitioning are
>i would rather eat my own shit than be a pooner
and
>I will never have XYchromosomes no matter how much testosterone
then you're probably a self-hating tranner

but, conversely, if your only reasoning for feeling trans is
>grew up with an older brother, desperately wanting to fit in and be liked by him
and
>guy friends are cool but i know in the back of their mind they will never view me as a regular
then you're probably not a tranner and just fucking retarded

ultimately it's not for anyone else to tell you what you are or what to do with yourself. rep, transition, rot, whatever - it's your fucking life.

>>33636547

that just sounds like loneliness. a common human condition.

>>33636501
Crushes can stop, they aren't permanent. Secondly if you want to be a guy is it more based on stigma for being eyed on with romantic or sexual interest or ifyou are lesbian with sexual trauma. In fact you need to sort out a lot more before diving in the deepend with trans stuff. It isn't really worth going through unless it is deeply rooted in body imagery regaurding sex rather than society and social life.

>>33636575
Men still won't change how they treat you even if you are a pooner, plus a lot more women will be put off too. Basically there's no social benefits unless your social settings are very politically primed. Men really don't tone downs how horny they are until their mid 20s and still that isn't true for everyone since some are deeply maladjusted to socializing with anyone of the sex they are into.

>>33640028
wise anon, spot-on

>>33636494
Blah blah word diarrhea is the same story just the words change.
Chicks get bored/unhappy if they're not raising kids or cooking or knitting or other female crap so they randomly want to change stuff thinking that burning all the time money and effort will help them escape their boredom. It never works long term, not home decorating by painting words on walls, not travel, not becoming an alcoholic, not flirting with becoming trans.
Go to church, baby sit some kids, find a moid to knock you up, move on with life.
For gods sakes don't "travel" or paint "live laugh love" on a wall, or cut your tits off.
You can't fix boredom with "stupid"

>>33636494
Mein princess.. post your tummy.. please...

>>33636494
Vivian, I’m going to give you some practical advice. Unless if you’re seeking out actual counseling, please stop posting your pictures on 4chan. This place is lurking with creeps who are known to engage in sextortion. Get diagnosed by a physiologist, since it seems you suffer from trauma, and speak to a therapist. Please do not post pictures of yourself as it will only receive unwanted attention. You will learn later down the line.

>>33646447
>Please do not post pictures of yourself as it will only receive unwanted attention.
Yea because being isolated is much better. This is the most bad faithed advice ive seen here in a while

>>33646466
Yes, anon. Relying on the internet for validation is a very healthy way to cure your crippling isolation.

>>33646488
you can have a healthy real life to online balance. flat out saying that you shouldnt post anything fun online is retarded. sometimes people just want to relax and goof around online. completely blocking everything out will just make you waste your free time sleeping

>>33646503
This is a young high schooler who just turned 18 not long ago posting pictures of herself on a website that is predominantly used by older men. What makes you think she is not looking for attention? You must suffer from mental retardation if you’re actually defending this. Some anons act like cavemen whenever a woman makes herself known on this site. Worse than an Arab.

>>33646447
>>33646488
>>33646532
>noooo don't post yourself on 4chan!!
>t. has his personal info on social media

>>33646447
This. She took the risk and already found a handful of helpful anons, i just hope she realizes what the people to rely on look like and actually starts leaning on them (specially irl) instead of broadcasting attention which is the very thing she hates in the first place and the reason she made the thread.

I hope she doesn't end up more sexually exploited than she has been or I will only become more jealous.

Try to get off the internet for a little while. It’s poisoning your mind. Pretty much everyone doesn’t like some aspect about themselves. Focus on the good things you have and learn to accept yourself.
>but it’s hard/I can’t/etc.
I know, but you have to try, otherwise you’ll end up a hormone injected freak or a suicide victim.
Here’s the bottom line: life gets better and you shouldn’t carry around the pain from experience being bullied or excluded when you were a literal child. There are pros and cons of being each sex. Life is what you make it. There are things you can control and things you can’t control. You have to find a way to accept yourself past experiences without it destroying you emotionally. Look to the future more than the past.
t. 30yo with a fulfilling life after a terrible adolescence.

>>33636494
>man up and roid out
>man down and trad out
which way western woman

>>33640427
kek

>>33636494
Ftms aren't men. Ive seen a number of them. What you are are weird, creepy, tiny, short, hairy little hobbit looking creatures. Not men. Short and weird. Not men at all. Nobody would look at you bizarros and think man. I look at you and think "what a fucking weird little freak".

>>33636494
Trooning out won't fix your problems.
Men aren't allowed to have feelings and you are just going to end up looking like a manlet.
I don't think you are attracted to women, you just want female companionship and for some reason you were too socially retarded growing up to make female friends because you couldn't read social cues.
And yeah you are cute enough and vulnerable enough to where most of your guy "friends" are friends because they hope they can fuck you.
Maybe leave your room and participate in some social activities that have older women in them (60+) so you can learn how to interact with your own gender. Try going to a social church.