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>>33657144
dodge the Gains Goblins

>>33657144
>IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do.
I’m a glitch in the dating sim. A side character who wandered into the love story by accident and keeps waiting for a cutscene that isn’t coded. I lost my twenties like car keys, found my thirties buried under binge cycles and half completed self-improvement plans. Now I’m forty-one with soft hair and a good voice, apparently, not that it matters. My only real talent is being overlooked with dignity. At this point, my romantic prospects require a woman with poor judgment and excellent taste in tragedies, and a saintliness required for dealing with a middle age man who is still "figuring out what he wants."

I'd love to hear your rationalization as to why I am not doomed.

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Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

Should I avoid talking to women until I feel better?
I got dumped a couple months ago and I still cringe and get angry/sad about it. I've been on ~6 dates since, but haven't even gotten to kissing and it feels unnatural to touch/flirt and game at the moment. I end up just using them to talk to. In this way, I feel like I ruined my chances with them especially one of them.

Should I stop approaching altogether to allow healing? I'm constantly thinking of her and finding another girl to plug my mind up with.
I was kind of needy, but we spent a month physically together out of 3 months dating. Im kind of depressed but I still approach girls. I feel like crap about myself and I wonder how much its obvious to them. I go to the gym 3x a week, I do art shows, do classes on my spare time, study, read, I have 3 jobs, but it just haunts me through everything.

>>33657437
You are doomed because you're trying to blame everything around you instead of yourself for your own failures. As much as women are incapable of taking accountability, a man being unable to do so is repulsive to them since it just makes you another woman.

How do I make myself less boring to women?

I've been trying to e-date for a few months now and the most common thing I hear is that I'm too boring. At first they appreciate that I'm mentally stable and not a deranged coomer, but things quickly peter out and I can't maintain their interest. I think I'm pretty good at holding conversations with people, ask them questions, get them to talk about themselves, make lots of jokes, etc but it never seems to last. It always ends up with me initiating conversations every time while their responses get shorter and shorter until I give up or they just flat out tell me that they're not interested any more.

Am I just pursuing the wrong women? Is it a "vibes" thing that I'm somehow failing at?

I'm not even autistic so I really have no excuse and I'm starting to worry that there's something wrong with me.

>>33657528
asking questions, keeping up conversation, etc are all good skills. but at some point if YOU don't have anything interesting to add to it, what's the point? I know everything about myself already, I don't want to only talk about me. I want conversations to be a balance. If you're repeatedly getting feedback that you're boring it's probably because you either don't add anything novel to the conversations, or the topics you bring up aren't ones they can generate interest in. for me the topic itself matters way less than if the other person can make it sound interesting or convey some passion for it. i don't need a giant infodump, but i like hearing about what other people get up to in their spare time. or, maybe that you don't have hobbies/other things you're going out and doing with your time?

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>finally get a girl to fuck and become FWB
>her pussy smells weird sometimes

I can never fucking win and I'm definitely not going to tell this chick to clean up her diet or shower more.

>>33657552
I'm definitely a homebody but I don't just doomscroll. I can hold a conversation about all kinds of topics and guys I talk to don't seem to think I'm too boring. My only real hobbies are cooking, reading, and some video games, though.
Obviously getting out and doing something like hiking or martial arts or something would improve my looks, but most of them have rejected me without ever seeing what I look like. I just don't see how being able to say "I went on a hike and saw some birds and trees" would improve my odds. Is it just a checkbox that I need to have ticked off?

>>33657646
Women respond to emotion. Your conversation is about facts and statements, that's why you can talk to guys but not girls.

I need some advice based on >>33655693
I was only semi-joking with my post. We've only been on a couple of dates so if she was meeting someone else it wouldn't bother me too much. The problem now is that I insinuated she was getting fucked, but in a joking way. She seemed to see it as a joke, she always messages first when she gets up. Except this time she hasn't.
Usually my reply is always based on what she's said. I don't really want to ask her how last night was in case she thinks I'm trying to get details and I've been on edge the whole time. I don't really want to ask what she's doing today because I already know what she's doing today.
How do I unfuck this situation I've got myself in bros?

>>33658106
That's what you get for fishing lol. Passive aggression is shitty and pathetic even in joking ways, she picked up on it and left you hanging for a reason. Just take the L. Either drop this relationship since it's been only two dates, or don't ever bring it up again, just start the next conversation off by inviting her out on another date or over to hangout. Silver lining is whenever I've been curious about what someone did on a night out, it always later comes out that they did nothing, drank and came home and woke up late, but that's not a guarantee.

Slight rant but so many people go wrong with passive aggression, next time if you truly want to know if she's going on a date and fucking other guys, just ask her outright, no hostility. "This a date?" "You meeting up with a guy you're into?" "You trying to bang this guy"?" If you're interested in exclusivity just tell her that's what you want. But again, just forget about the last few messages and move on, take it as a chance to reset.

>>33658213
cont.
Also I realized she (or you) never even mentioned the gender of the "friend" it could have been another woman and you're worrying about nothing.

Your bullies irregardless of how you get sex or not, are still gonna call you a virgin.

>>33658213
I wasn't really fishing as such, like I say it wouldn't even really bother me because we aren't exactly together. The thing is she wants to be exclusive with someone and that's why I would prefer her to be honest. I'm a complete fucking sap and if I'm dating someone, as is happening now, I won't date anyone else. I'm turning other dates down because of it. But I don't want to be doing that for her to turn around and say "yeah things have been great, but I'm going to be exclusive with this person you never knew about instead lol c ya!" that's why I prefer the honesty.

I appreciate the reply. As is typical as soon as I posted she sent me a message. She was vague on the gender of the friend too though. Much like you I have been curious in the past, convinced myself they were getting bucked wild, nothing like that happened and they were just with a friend (female), and I've caused a massive, easily avoidable situation by being a dickhead.
I have just ignored it and moved onto talking about other things now. I'll see how things go and then I'll just be upfront if need be. At least that way everyone knows where they stand.

>>33654871
Because I need to be a perfect human being for that.

>>33658272
Hell yeah, good man. And good luck. Sounds like you actually like her.

>>33658286
Thanks bro. I do like her, but the age gap means something long term might not be viable. I always get myself into a retarded situation.
Like I say I'll just see how things go and try not to be the old me as much as I can kek.

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Anons who have experience, how do I find and date hot girls with big boobs?

Talking to female family members about your struggles with women? Good idea or bad?

any media to consume that hypes you up to approach women?

How do you train yourself to want to put effort for "mid"/ugly chicks? It's starting to hit me how ugly I am despite my looksmaxxing efforts and when I reflect on who ever really gave me a shot - it was these chicks.

Is it better to stay single than to entertain someone who feels off putting? If they are sweet , I will anyone a chance but I lowkey feel they want me cause they still want to be pursued (ego boost) or play games

>>33658362
Very good, this is what family is for

>>33658382
>entertain someone who feels off putting
In my experience if they are off putting as long as they're a nice person the looks part passes. Never had a 10 gf, but I've had a few 9s and (more than) a few 2s. In both cases their looks become neither here nor there after a while and you start appreciating the person they are. It sounds cliche, but attractive people rarely have attractive personalities because they've never had to have one. That's not to say ugly people have good personalities because they've had to have one. I've known plenty ugs who have been complete pieces of shit, same way I've known really, really attractive people way out of my league to be very good decent people. It's been made even worse now by all of the ego boosting from people looking for an easy fuck and this bizarre trend of encouraging women to aim for chads who they think they deserve when they really don't. But on balance the ugly ones are still more often the better people.

>meet acquaintance in an event
>she somewhat respects me because I'm more experienced in a common area of interest
>I end up having luch with her and 2 of her female friends
>talk a lot with one of her friends 1-on-1, as during walking moments we naturally split in two pairs
>I say goodbye to them in the bus stop and never asked for socials/form of contact
NGMI. In a way I don't regret it that much because even if we talked for a bit I didn't really feel any signs of attraction and she seemed to be a really different person to me with polar opposite ideals (i.e I want to move abroad but she wants to settle down here), but I still feel like a retard for not even asking for her number after talking a bunch.
I might ask the common friend depending on how she answer me after my generic "I had fun with you and your friends!" text
just venting a bit

>>33658373
I haven't found anything personally. Listen to music maybe to try to hype yourself up, but honestly that doesn't feel like it works consistently. The fact of the approach is that it's like jumping into water. You dip your toe in, it's freezing. You jump in and it's cold initially. Eventually though, you just flow. The first approach is usually the hardest, maybe the second and third might be tricky too depending on how you feel, but eventually you get into the right social/talkative state and it's not as bad. This is why it's great to have wings who understand all this shit because you can deliberately put each other in a social state.

>>33658754
Yeah don't beat yourself up too hard there. Something stands out to me as an obvious explanation for why you weren't eager to get the number: "(i.e I want to move abroad but she wants to settle down here)". That's a pretty big deal and that can affect your interest in a person on a subconscious level, especially if you're an experienced guy who knows how stuff that like can balloon into huge issues down the line. If this chick dazzled you, you would have gotten her number or else you'd be really pissed.

That being said, there's a few schools of thought on how to operate (and there's sub-schools of thought) and it really depends which of those you consider yourself to be a part of. One of them is closer to the PUA school which is "take it as far as you can go always and find an application for every set...practice on them, fuck them, or use them as a wing-woman." The other is more humane and sort of holistic and would say you exercised emotional maturity and non-neediness by reading the room so to speak and not pressing.

ugh all the women past 35 are gross looking

>>33658213
>If you're interested in exclusivity just tell her that's what you want.
If you're the one pushing for exclusivity, you've already lost. She should be the one pushing for it, otherwise she clearly doesn't care about being exclusive or losing you.

Is everyone's online dating experience like mine? To explain, I'm pretty fit, I'm slightly above average height, and I've been told I'm handsome by enough people that I believe it. I've also hooked up with some very pretty women, so I know I'm not undesirable.

I have a Hinge profile and granted it's kind of low-effort - my main pic is a bathroom-mirror selfie that shows off my physique, though the other photos are OK I guess. I only swipe on women I find attractive and I was able to get 1-3 matches a day in my first week, but the thing is most of the time they either never respond to my first message, or we have a brief conversation and it fizzles out after a few messages. I've only secured one date so far.

Is this everyone's experience?

>>33659303
Online dating is horrible. Between the algorithms being designed to keep you engaging rather than actually caring about you hooking up or meeting someone and women's chaotic nature in general, you're setting yourself up for at least a headache, if not massive self-esteem issues and doubt. I have one friend who has had semi-success on dating apps. He's a doctor living in Manhattan and the girl he's dating is still a pig compared to the quality of woman he could get in person. This has been the case with every guy I know. The ones that met their girlfriend on dating apps could do WAY better. The ones that met their girlfriends in person really can't do much better. The apps aren't for your benefit.

>>33659388
>the girl he's dating is still a pig compared to the quality of woman he could get in person. This has been the case with every guy I know. The ones that met their girlfriend on dating apps could do WAY better
Yeah this is exactly what I noticed too in almost every single one of my friends, the only exception is a guy who basically looks like a model himself. I can match with cute girls at the level that I might date normally but they almost never respond, or they just disappear halfway through a convo (probably found someone hotter). For the most part, only girls I have no interest in are the ones that pursue me hard.

What's a good way for a guy in his late 20's/early 30's to meet women normally? I have a nice job and a lot of male and female friends but they're almost all settled down already, so I feel like I have to do this by myself.

I was going to yoga class and I would get some looks from girls but it's hard to approach there. Any suggestions for activities? I live in a big city.

>>33659471
>"(probably found someone hotter)"
That's an example of the app fucking with you. Women just react to whatever stimulates them or catches their attention in the moment. You almost have to not even take it personally or you'll go crazy.

>What's a good way for a guy in his late 20's/early 30's to meet women normally? I have a nice job and a lot of male and female friends but they're almost all settled down already, so I feel like I have to do this by myself.
You have to find your niche and you have to practice, but doing it alone is really hard in my opinion. It's way easier if you have one or two other people you can go out regularly with. It's bringing a gun to a fist fight levels of easier. The good thing though is that you can meet beautiful women almost anywhere. The bar, church, an aquarium, a restaurant, the park, the gym. They're all over really. You're spoiled for choice.

Imagine if you had perfect "game." I would bet you wouldn't even be asking where you could meet them. You'd just go wherever, see beautiful women and shoot your shot. Imagine how liberating that would feel where women aren't even the goal, they're just an incidental bonus to whatever you personally just feel like doing. So more often than not the problem is "game" and that comes from experience and experience is easier to amass when you have friends doing it with you.

I've never seen a guide on how to do any of this solo and even back in the "PUA days" guys that were absolutely fucking lethal operators were hesitant to do it solo.

>>33659303
That sounds about usual. I opened a new profile recently so im in that newbie boost period where your profile gets shown more, so I got like 12 matches over the last few days, but with the same effect. This time around I think I've kept conversations alive a bit better than in the past by being more aggressively flirty and forward about setting up dates. Like within the first couple exchanges im trying to steer the conversation towards meeting, although like you I've only had one success so far

My recent "progress" in talking
>go to climbing gyms to boulder a bit
>there's this girl who was mogging me on a route
>I ask her for pointers and discuss other routes and problems
> despite gavung some stilted moments, we periodically chit chat over the course of an hour or so
>I wasn't even trying to hit on her, just genuinely wanted to talk about bouldering problems. Which was probably a good thing since I learned that she was 16.
Am I doing it right?

>>33659697
>probably a good thing since I learned that she was 16.
What state?

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Alright I've been feelin hornier than usual lately, how the fuck do I go about getting an FWB. Step by step, I can become friends with women super fucking easily, but anything sexual I have no clue about

>>33659284
Don't play stupid games like this, quit being passive. Just say what you want, or you will end up being single for the rest of your life. It's funny how women get the stereotype of not being clear communicators and expecting men to read their minds, when this has never been my experience with any of the women I've been with, and the only people I've seen engaged in this behavior is immature lonely men trying to pull PUA shit. In all areas of life if you never speak up or take moments to be decisive you'll be passed over and forgotten every single time.

>>33659784
Zero experience with FWB but I imagine those start off by trying to date them but staying friendly afterwards with occasional boots calls. It would probably have to be vased on some acknowledged physical attraction first, because you'll have a hard time convincing a platonic lady friend to bang you if she's not attracted.

>>33659849
I can think of maybe 3 girl friends where there's highly likely some mutual attraction going, but you never really know, and I'd hate to kill those friendships trying, best play would be to start from scratch with a rando or someone who's acquaintance at best

>>33659784
You follow the exact same steps you would follow for getting GF, except at some point before or after sex you have the FwB or "not looking for anything serious" conversation

>>33657144
>always wanted to score a genuine BBW
>9 times out of 10 they're disgusting, swipe left
>match with one that's big and looks quite good
Plapjack here I come

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Just work on your bio and openers bro!

Can you even meet mid to late 20s women doing activities? I’m looking for things to do on meetup.com and it’s all 50 year olds

>>33660118
ask the 50 year olds if they have single daughters

>>33657144
Anyone here managed to turn things around and get into a LTR in their 30's? I'm in need of some nice copium right now because I want to just give up and go the rest of my life as a celibate. A lot of the things like anxiety and depression that I suffered from in my 20's aren't really a problem now, im still pretty avoidant though is the thing. So, anyone here managed to improve in their 30's? I am above average in the looks department and have had success with attractive women in the past, but nothing long term at all.

Is consulting with a dating coach or male therapist specializing with dating a good idea? I might be on the spectrum or at the very least am really introverted and am lacking in the social skills department especially when it comes to dating and getting to know people. Has anyone had success with this?

>>33660026
This insane lmao.

>>33660343
He got game!

>>33657144
how do I get a harem of FTM femboys?

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I confided to my mum about my insecurities and lack of confidence with women
It was nice but am I wrong to think this is all complete BS like modern women really don’t care about “depth” or “sincerity” and the whole “it doesn’t matter that you’re not earning a lot of money”
I feel like she just comes from a different world or age group where people had different values, I don’t care if her 60 year old friends think I’m nice

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>>33657144
Is it retarded or a 5 dimensional chess move to friendzone a girl first?
Chatting with a girl over text. We hit it off, similar interests, all that. She was initially receptive to the idea of meeting up but that never came to pass because she lives several states away, on a literal island state.
She's cute but she's kind of... not that bright. I can't imagine living the rest of my life with this girl. She likes reading light novels and ao3 yaoi while I'm more /lit/

>>33660026
>grand total of 4 women, 1 of whom is post-wall and 2 are almost hitting it

I don’t think this is making the point that you think it’s making, incel kun.

>>33660732
Women like talking how they value honesty and sincerity and kindness, but they don't mention all those qualities need to be attached to an attractive guy. Pic related is right about negative talk getting you nowhere though

>>33661051
What..? What in the overthinking overcomplicating fuck is this for a question? Are you not interested? Tell her. Thats not a 5 dimensional chess move. Its communication.

so I finally hung out with the aspie girl and we did mushroom gummies and watched YT videos and talked about philosophy all night, it didn't get hot n heavy but she texted me back immediately after she got home to tell me she had a good time, essentially she's someone that I would talk to from time to time at my local spot but tonight we were both high and left with her and hung out in my car, she's been shit testing me previously so I ignored her for about a month then decided to start talking to her again and I drove her back to her car but we were both high and were supposed to go back to her place but got distracted just talking, well she did most of the talking

>>33660732
>“it doesn’t matter that you’re not earning a lot of money”

that's where you're wrong, Ive known broke unemployed mfs that pulled without any effort because they're fun to be around and that's really all women care about, how you make them feel

anon, who was going to ask out his friend, how's it going

I feel pathetic, I just spent like 2 hours scrolling through the social media of a bunch of girls that I sorta loosely knew and wanted to ask out but never got the courage to do. Fuck man at least most guys do it with their ex-girlfriends not random girls from 4 years ago that they barely knew from that one karate class and had fantasies about but never actually got anywhere with.

God, if you're up there and grant wishes, I ask for nothing else except to have the courage to push through my fear of social ostracizing and actually hit on girls.

Do female friends eventually become GFs if you're decently attractive

>>33661797
It's happened with me before, but it can cause a ruckus in the friend group if things go awry. It almost comes with the same problems as dating a friend's sister or something like that. Not quite that bad, but similar ballpark.

>>33661852
No friend group to speak of. Anything I should know?

I literally met her by stopping her on campus then proceeding to talk her ear off for an hour straight.

>>33661696
Four years isn't that long ago, message the one you like most, but only if she seems single/available. Reintroduce yourself, tell her you that you've always liked her and was hoping to take her out in the future. Be prepared for her to not possibly remember you, have a boyfriend, or just outright ignore your message and block you. Nothing terrible can happen from normal conversation.

>>33661869
Also make sure your profile looks like an actual social media profile where she can see your face and you in real life scenes doing normal human shit. Doing it from a profile full of CSGO clips and political memes is going to make you look like a stalker.

>>33661869
>tell her you that you've always liked her and was hoping to take her out in the future
sounds kind of cringe ngl

>>33661887
My policy with women is always honesty and forwardness, let them know you're interested right off the bat, that's how guys end up in "the friend zone" when they want to play it cool. Type whatever you want but I find the way zoomers text each other these days to be retarded. I type in plan English, even when talking to zoomer girls and haven't had a single issue with getting them interested in flirting or going out.

Based on the past few years of losing weight, lifting weights, and finally trying to get a girlfriend on Tinder and Bumble and Hinge at the age of 31, after a lifetime of no interest from them irl, it seems I am genetic shit and can get no matches, and when women ignored me irl or looked disgusted, that wasn't me wrongly perceiving them to think that, it's what they actually think, and my commonsense intuition from looking in the mirror, that I am very ugly, turned out to be correct all along, as expected.

So what's the next step of my master plan?

I live alone, have no social life, have a remote work job. I could move from my medium sized city of some hundred thousands to London if I was really desperate (though I'd be living in a tiny flat, which may look pathetic to women). 'Approaching' isn't a thing in the UK and going to random activity groups to get women is transparently pathetic and everyone would see through that.

>>33661926
You're most likely not ugly, you guys gotta get out more and pay attention to couples, there are millions of ugly men that have wives and kids, and no they are not millionaires. Online dating is too oversaturated with men, you stand almost no chance unless you look like a movie star or runway model, otherwise it turns into a numbers game of you messaging hundreds of women to get one date. Just go out, maybe start talking to women instead of "approaching them" that means just normal conversations. Eventually an opportunity might pop up for you to ask her out, maybe you like the same bands, or the same movie director, or the same football team or whatever and you can invite her out to a show or match.

>>33661946

That would get you arrested in Britain.

>>33661975
No that's if you cat call the undercovers

>>33661869
To be honest that sounds super creepy. Does that even work, just randomly hitting up a hot girl you met several years back and haven't seen since and then inviting her out? That sounds like the most socially uncalibrated thing one could possibly do and earn you a bad reputation.

>>33661981
No, you let her know that you potentially want to date her/ Chat with her for a bit, get to know her again, let her get to know you, just normal shit. And then when you feel good about it, ask her out. She says no just say okay it was nice talking to you again and move on. Billions of hoes out here. But you'll never get anywhere if you don't actually make your intentions known and make strides toward them. Again there's nothing dangerous about fucking messages. "Hey, I'm X. We were in the same karate class as few years ago. I've actually always liked was just wondering what you've been for the last few years. Are you still practicing any martial arts?" and just have a normal conversation from there. All of that "damn you a baddie frfr" shit I see dudes doing is a hundred times more creepy imo, but whatever.

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>>33657144
I was about to spend 50k on a world tour, find a wife. Tinder platinum wants 20 week. Thats insane, I was planning on 600 a year. How do I buy it for cheaper?

>>33662268
If you a broke boy just say dat.

>>33662290
I mad 1.6m this year, but paying $20 a week just feels wrong.

>>33662302
You gay boy.

>>33662408
Dark skinned people are weird.

>>33657144
I have lately started noticing women looking at me on the street but they don't smile or have any visual expression that would indicate they feel good or bad about me or anything, just neutral expressions and eye contact.
I'm 28, not the hottest guy in town but I'm generally good looking

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Went on a date with a girl, it was a short hike and a lunch after that. She was nice and peaceful. I think she's a virgin from what I spoke to her. I don't think she had any makeup on. She dressed conservatively, no tats piercings or colored hair. She was a bit chubbier in person than in her profile pictures. 5'4" and 65kg. She is an engineer and she earns almost as much as me being 2 years younger. I'd presume she's kinda smart. So, my sister saw her pictures and said she looks poor. She was poor growing up but she's not poor anymore. I thought I grew up poor, but it goes much lower. She had cows growing up and I grew up in an industrial town. You could say she looks a bit country. Other than being a bit chubby, looking and speaking a bit odd, I think she's a cool person. What do I do?

>>33662621
Tell her you enjoyed the date and want to see her again soon.

30M germ here, going to travel to the West Coast for 7 weeks (LA for three weeks). How do I get my dick ridden by college sluts? Don't like dating apps since I have far more success just talking to women IRL, just need some general pointers what worked out for you guys since dating culture is kinda different over here in bratwurstland

Thanks in advance anons

How do I convince the pretty ladies with big titties to let me stick my penis in their vagina?

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I'm done asking for sex.

I'm taking it at the next opportunity, by force if necessary. At any cost.

>>33662621
Idk nigga what does your heart desire?

oh boy this aspie girl kissed me on the neck when I hugged her goodbye, was kinda shocked at how quickly she's been showing interest, going to see her tomorrow, all I've been doing is sitting back and letting her do the talking. Dating Coaches are fulla shit when you don't have to ask for a date when the woman is doing the chasing and escalating.

I guess that's the trick is to find a woman who's more into you than you are into them

>>33661887
That's what you're gonna get if you come to this site for advice on picking up women

>>33657520
Very bot like response.

>>33665131
The advice your standard anon gives is usually along the lines of fuck women they're all stupid whores, if she's not ready to suck your cock after you say hello to her she's not worth your time at all, oh and she needs to be a virgin and Christian and not in college. Unlike you all I've been consistently fucking women for the last 20+ years, from teenager all through manhood, so what the fuck do I know?

>>33657144
>meet a woman of Bumble
>she's from a different city, but her parents live in my city
>we meet up, but at 1pm because she was visting just for a day and planning to go home later that day
>it goes well, it's pretty clear she wants something casual, swap phone numbers
>message a bit
So essentially I have to wait until she says she's coming over to my city again, as I can't really message her every week like a dork, and it's clear it can turn into a FwB type of situation if I play my cards right

So is this like those trucker threads that used to get posted on /o/? Where there’s just a bunch of corpo shills and boomers trying to jew the shit out of desperate poor people?

>>33665612
Okay boomer, that world doesn’t exist any more

>>33662566
They think you’re going to rape them

>>33666076
I'm in my mid 30s, not old, still young enough to steal your imaginary gf. And nope talking to women still works, as that's literally the only way to get women interested in you, sans paying an escort for the gf experience. As I've said before I still get zoomettes to send nudes and meet up to fuck, and sometimes that's with them barely knowing what I look like. I have no idea why it's so difficult for you all. Even with the most basic advice, it's like you all have a severe case of stage freight, all of you can't be on the spectrum or mentally ill. Hell even people on the spectrum mask enough to get laid on occasion.

>>33666133
First, you’re full of shit, second [spiler]no shit, if you haven’t figured out that there’s a mass delusion among dudes our age or younger that everyone hates them then you haven’t been paying close enough attention to the world around you to offer advice that would actually help[/spoiler]

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You can't refute this.

>>33666147
>noo it's not true that you've been doing the same thing men have been doing for hundreds of thousands of years
And look more whining and victimization, another reason why you won't ever get a woman.

>>33666155
These zoomettes, are they in the room with us right now?

>>33666161
They are literally everywhere you just talk to them. The catch is to approach them with intent to get to know them without judgment, and not with the intent to just use them as a warm hole, they can sense the desperate creepy horniness coming off of you from across the room. Also not just young girls are available, I've spent a good chunk of my life dating older women, and have always tried to encourage other young men to approach older women because they are way more straight forward than girls that are 19 or 22, but you all are fucking retarded and have convinced yourselves that any woman over the age of 25 has hit the wall and if she's 30 she's a barren hag, might as well be a corpse.

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>>33658270
Cope.

>>33666170
hilarious post my dude

How do I smile at girls? I stop myself because I feel like I would look extremely creepy but apparently I have to do it.

>Match with someone
>Has a verified account although I'm not sure how much faith to put in that
>She's 10/10
>But only has one pic
>Doesn't use social media
>At the same time she won't give her number out to anyone
>Has allegedly interesting hobbies
>She's not looking for anything other than chats and if that goes well hanging out
>Which means it doesn't seem like she's a bot trying to rob me of money
>It also doesn't seem like she's looking for an ego boost because she could get that off better looking people than me
>It all seems legit
>But also too good to be true

How do I approach this situation?

>>33666270
Id make a good faith effort to wrangle a date but it she's being cryptic and evasive then unmatch

I got my sister to help me do my Hinge profile and I actually get a few matches now.
The issue is I feel like everyone just dumps me after a couple of messages? I try to just be friendly and casual but not overly flirty, more like I’m just trying to be friends at first. Is this too boring?

>>33666272
I wouldn't say so much being cryptic, but I get the feeling she's one of those that takes ages to reply. Either because she doesn't use it much or because she gets a lot of attention from chads.
I'm going to try and keep it casual for now because I get the feeling if I try to go for the date too early she'll really not like it. I somehow find it a lot easier to be cool and relaxed with more attractive people than I do with ones who are less attractive. Maybe it's because I don't have any faith in it going anywhere with the attractive ones so I don't get my hopes up kek.

>>33666283
How many is a couple? You should just ask them out in like 2 screenshots of messages like 1 or 2 topics. And dont be vague about it.
>are you free this weekend to grab drinks?

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>>33666321
Ok so as an example this girl just replied to me now. We work in the same industry and I was going to ask her more about her job but should I just be like “want 2 get coffee” or something now?
this is 7 messages in

>>33666335
yes

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>>33666170
>the catch is to approach them with intent to get to know them without judgment
Is this what Ross felt trying to correct that Reddit furry that tried to cancel SKG? It’s like, you’re almost there but then you veer off into things that neither matter or make sense.
>they can sense the desperate creepy horniness coming off of you from across the room.
No, they can’t, all they can do is judge your style, hygiene, and posture. That’s the problem in a nutshell. Projecting what YOU think a person is thinking about you onto THEM when there is no way to know what they think about you until you introduce yourself. You just don’t understand that something has happened to make it trivial for a guy to absolutely convince himself with no uncertainty that every woman no matter where he goes out what she looks like is going to smell desperate creepness on them like an instinct when that’s completely retarded.

>>33666357
>Is this what Ross felt trying to correct that Reddit furry that tried to cancel SKG?
What the fuck does this even mean? If you say shit like this no woman will talk to you.
>>33666357
>No, they can’t
Yes they can. You can sense desperate women too. The only difference is that there are way more men willing to fuck a desperate woman than there are women willing to fuck a desperate guy.

>>33666369
Pray tell, how exactly do you expect guys who approach all interactions with women with the mindset of
>she might think I’m a desperate creep
to not come across as desperate for approval just to get to know them. You’ve completely ignored this self sabotage while just telling guys to send it without going after the root of their problem.

>>33666144
What kind of kick do you get out of lying to people here?

Haven’t had much experience online dating, I see a lot of women that I don’t see as attractive and they don’t really “excite” me from their photos but they’re not hideous or overweight so I wonder if “maybe if I meet them in person I could fall for them if they’re nice” but I also recognize I might be coping because I can’t get women that do “excite” me on dating apps
Idk anyone can relate and weigh in on this?

>>33666407
You ever watch a tv show or movie where the guy characters go out with intentions of specifically getting laid? Notice how they always come off as super cringy and awkward, and that they always fail to get the girl(s)? The redemption arc has them succeeding only when they stop trying to put their dick into someone and have a genuine interaction with them not centered around the ulterior motive of sex. It's just like that irl. You want these things to be instantaneous but they take awhile, yes even "Chad" has to occasionally put in effort to get women that he likes to sleep with him or go out on a date. The only other way I can explain it is to talk to them as if they were a female cousin, just no pressure conversations. Drop any fantasy notions you have about women or how women should be. It's genuinely not hard, how do you people spend your entire lives around girls and women but fail to interact with them enough to not even make them feel comfortable enough to sit and have fucking lunch or coffee with you, or go to a concert, or a school dance, or even to fucking Walmart is amazing. Do any of you even have male friends?

>>33666289
There's a lot to be said for confidently setting up a date as soon as possible. If you matched its because you both found eachother attractive enough, at least superficially. Slowly chatting over the course of a few days doesnt allow you to cover any meaningful ground either. The sooner you meet in person the better chances of getting in before "chad" does and also allows you to build rapport way faster than any slow roll will.
Like shit if you already dont have your hopes up what is there to lose?

>>33666335
If im reading that correctly you both work in the same building? Just playfuply ask her if you want to go on a date in the food court or something, and then maybe open the door for a more serious option

>>33666151
>>33666197
>Still no refutation
Feels good being on the right side of history.

>>33666465
You’re talking about 4chaners, why in the fuck would you expect any guy on this shithole site to have had any experience interacting with women after elementary school? To me it speaks to how little you understand the kind of depression and isolation the guys who post here experience.
>>33666555
It’s delusion, not the positive kind where you end up a narcissist but the kind that tricks you into putting yourself down. Everything about the opinions exists exclusively between the op’s ears and nowhere else

>>33666476
No we work in the same industry and she’s familiar with my building, probably visited it at some point for work related stuff

I was gonna say “oh cool I’ve always wanted to learn more about that area, can I take you out for coffee sometime?” Which is actually true and I’m trying to naturally flow the conversation but also sounds maybe a bit try?

Made 4 meetings today
1st girl 6/10 in looks, kinda boring but we barely spoke
>Followed into an art exhibit
>Said something like is the tv (dumb post modern art) bright for you too? She smiled and said yes
>I was fidgeting like crazy at that time, felt uncomfortable
>Asked her literally a minute into the convo to go out
>Yes yes sure!
>Almost ditches me at the end after I tried to make convo with her and she just says "ok".
>About to leave she starts saying "there's actually this thing..."
>Interrupt and say it's cool, have a nice day
2nd girl 6/10
>Met at a festival, just went up to her to talk
>Walked and talked, clicked pretty good, was asking me tons of questions
>Sat down with her, noticed she kept staring into my eyes and glancing at my lips while asking questions
>Say I'd rather just kiss than answer any more of her questions
>She gets nervous
>We kiss
>Try to lure her to a makeout spot
>She says no but asks for my contact
>Texted me "did you get home ok?" >Haven't replied yet
3rd girl hot, great body, fat ass, dressed for the club, unknown face due to makeup and contacts 8?/10
>Was a group of 3
>I approached from the side, they already seemed to have the instinct to block her, knowing she's the hottest
>They're very rude, but eventually I just get to talking to her, try to slow the pace as her friends walk ahead and even start filming me
>Just smile and wave at the phone
>Her friends run away and she slows down with me a little and even stops and looks back at me when she notices I stopped and stares at me until her friends call for her and she turns away to run to them
I guess I could have shook her hand and held it to offer some adventure or some shit
4th girl 7/10 tall, nice body
>Joke with her
>Again someone taking a picture of my pickup not a friend but a cashier, this time we pose together and she seems to be chill, gives me her number, goes away

I've never had the camera thing happen before, it's kind of stupid if it's meant to deter me.

>>33666638
>To me it speaks to how little you understand the kind of depression and isolation the guys who post here experience.

More excuses and why guys keep failing. Guys are defeating themselves before you even try. They aren't as debilitated and unlovable as they think they are.

Here's a task for the anons that have issues getting women - if you can convince, a woman that's familiar with you through proximity, so a female classmate, coworker, or neighbor, to simply walk to the nearest store or gas station with you to grab a soda or coffee and snacks, while having a friendly chat. With the reason being "it's nice out, lets enjoy the weather for a bit, I'm buying" then that means you can convince a woman to have dinner with you. I promise you it's the same set of social skills being used.

No one is so broken that they can't convince someone familiar to take a casual stroll around the block with them for ten minutes. But just in case...make sure you are showered, hair clean and neat, in clean clothes, with teeth brushed, and mouth wash used, before you try the task out.

>>33666730
And deodorant used.
Can also say something like "I'm going to the store, you want to come with?" Super casual and easy, no pressure because you don't want anything from these women. Also don't try it with the hottest girl on the job or campus or whatever, just your normal average, everyday girl is ideal.

>>33666469
You make some good points there tbf. I think I'll wait for her to reply, assuming she even does, and then hit her with the old "text is so impersonal let's get a coffee" line. Although I'll probably put more thought into it than that.
Thanks!

>>33666638
VIRGIN LITERALLY MEANS "YOUNG WOMAN". HOW RETARDED DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO CLAIM MALE VIRGINITY ISN'T FEMINIZING?

>>33666444
>>33666655
Stop overthinking my guys. If you match with a cute girl just ask them out. If they think you're cute too she will say yes.

At 5"8' should I even bother with dating apps? I'm in decent shape and don't have any facial features that would make me ugly but I rarely get any matches or likes. I've been using tinder and hinge for about 4 months now, I think I matched with 5 girls on hinge and 4 on tinder. Went on a first date with 2 of those total, and none of these women I was really that into. So should I just drop the dating apps? I feel like my ego is just getting hit and its all for just going on dates with chicks I'm not even attracted to.

>>33666655
That could work, but id phrase it more like "I've always wanted to learn more about that area, let's hold a working group over lunch?
But make sure you're already both on the same page with the ironic use of workplace jargon.

>>33666711
Outstanding, I can't wait to see the internet shame a PUA once that video blows up on tik tok

>>33666876
Semantic drift. It hasn't colloqually meant young woman for a long time

>>33667544
Cope harder Nosexsissy. There is only one difference between a "male" virgin and a eunuch: The former can regain his masculinity, the latter can't.

is it a good sign if w*men ask you about your lovelife? I found it interesting that they assumed I get pussy

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I just wanted to rant how it pisses me off that I'm always benched and rhen women come back months later to use me as a spare tire as if nothing happened. Something like:
>start talking with girl
>we go on a date
>things seem fine
>she starts giving short answers, canceling plans, being vague (obviously found someone better looking to rail her)
>fine bye, disengage
>Chad pumps and dumps her
>"haiiiiii anon how u been we should meet uwu"
>meets at random in public and seem super excited to see me
>ignore, disengage
Like what in the flying fuck. "Tee hee sorry I was busy fucking someone else, but hes tired of me so now you have the chance to be my emotional tampon and be cheated on, also pay everything". What is wrong with people? Do people really think this behavior is acceptable? Anyways, just venting on it. Thoughts?

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Let me tell you something, there is an alternative to impressing women if you can't ever have social skills. It will be a lot harder, but if you absolutely can never get your social game up I will tell you the alternative now:

Be a man of example, virtue, understanding, and endurance.

Yes you read that right. You will be better than a guy who is all talk and no show as you will be all show and no talk. And bingo, girls like you.

>>33667894
I feel like I'm falling into this myself atm so I'm going to rant a bit too
>Met girl
>Had a couple of dates
>Going well
>Texts have slowed way the fuck down since she "went out with the girls" and they're very short compared to what they were
>It went from like one text every 10 minutes to four throughout the whole day if that
>There used to be some shitty excuse like "I fell asleep" or "I didn't see you had text" to not even getting an excuse anymore
>At one time this would devastate me and because I'm meeting her at the weekend I would start being semi-simp to show how much I'm the better option
>Instead I'm going to meet her at the weekend, see if I can fuck her, and whether I do or not that will be that
>It doesn't matter anyway because I've set up a date with someone else on Monday and one with someone else on Wednesday
I refused to do things like that in the past because I always felt it was unfair. But fuck it. If I'm wrong I can always apologize.

>>33668375
Its all so tiresome. But I dont think youre wrong, trying one last time to at least fuck the bitch or not then disengaging sounds good. I dont think youre wrong in talking with other women when shes such a bitch also.
My modus operandi is just disengaging and ignoring, I wont be anyones cuck under any circumstances. These bitches should count their blessings that I give them the time of day and yet they think theyre hot shit and can play games. They can go fuck themselves for all I care, but the sheer disrespect infuriates me.

an extra resource i like that i figured i should share with yall is a site called killyourinnerloser, it has a tinder guide if anyone wants to go the online dating route, it's a lot of work, but, it's step by step so you can get some pussy if yall are looking to do that

I’ve recently moved to a city to go into trade school this January. I work at a Home Depot, work out, and walk the park trails. Is it worth cold approaching and how to be more confident.

>>33665124
Just be real with yourself about wjether youre taking advantage of her disability to get laid.

>>33668805
Tinder is horrible desu. You can get 100x more pussy with shitty cold approach

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I talked to a girl at the gym today about her sweatshirt. I noticed her looking at me several times so i was curious to see if this possible sign of attraction translated to am easier approach. She seemed lively enough to keep the conversation going so i guess my experiment with sample size of 1 was a success. I only really got her name and that was it, but I can at least say hi in the future now

If you are stuck between two young women you are dating and one is flakly with you but share similar likes and dislikes, and the other you have no similar likes and dislkkes but she is in love with you, drop the flaky bitch. Flaky women it does not matter if she is into anime and games like you; it ain't worth it bro.

>>33669514
really? i have heard similar on PUA forums, that if you learn to do cold approach, you will get hot women, and tinder is kind of the leftovers/refuse
I'm kind of chickenshit I guess, so I figure tinder is better than nothing, but after I get some dating experience I am planning on learning to cold approach as well, makes sense though, if they're in public they're in public not the same as them intentionally creating a profile on an app.

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>>33669673
unless you’re in the top 20% looks wise youll have more success trying to cold approach

>Live in white neighborhood as youth
>black
>moved to city thats still majority white but theres more people of color
>really hard finding other black women but whitewashed so they don’t like me when I even try

I feel like my only option is finding women who will fetishize me. Where do I even find them

>>33667650
>STILL no refutation
Another Nosexsissy defeated. Let's hope "he" visits a prostitute now to regain "his" masculinity.

>>33669780
Stick to your kind monkey.
Really though, just look for a similar polite black woman. Maybe in church.
Dont be part of the problem and race mix

>>33669673
>>33669717
They're not mutually exclusive

>>33669780
Tinder

>got a match on hinge after WEEKS of nothing
>she seems nice
>ask her if she wants to get coffee
>24 hours later no response
I’m so fucking tired bros

>>33671014
I have never gotten a match, so a bit skeptical towards apps

>>33671042
>>33671014
Are you guys legit deformed or what? Like even an average looking dude should be getting a matches once in a while. Your profile must be sucking real ass, like put some effort in, it matters a lot. You probably dont want to post the profile but give me a description of your pics and tell me what prompts you have.

>>33671014

Why aren't you swiping or talking to more women? I started getting success when I stopped giving a fuck about the outcome all the while continuing to put myself out there.