If I made it to 33 as a virgin does that mean I'm generally unattractive to women? To be clear I never put in any effort as far as cold approaching and stuff like that, but I feel like if I had decent pussy getting potential something would have happened anyway. I noticed most of the people I know didn't have to cold approach and do PUA shit to get girls, girls just sort of naturally gravitated to them or they were at the right place at the right time and they had to put in minimum effort at best.
I can read the desperation with a mix of insecurity and creep energy just from this post. I'm sure the women in your real life can sense it from a mile away.
>>33728674yea probably means you never truly chased any big goal or purpose
>>33728758I can see how they might help but to be fair most people don't do anything amazing either.
>>33728759not the achieving part that matterssimply chasing what's important to you is the important part
>>33728674Without knowing you I can still practically guarantee that you have spent your life unconsciously (or maybe even consciously) broadcasting vibes of "Don't bother with me. I'm not worth your attention."
>>33728808I don't think so, people tend to generally like me and say I have a very upbeat vibe. I am kinda weird and introverted but I make people laugh and have a good time when we do interact. But when it comes to young women they just don't give me any attention. Like at the gym, I always get complimented on my work ethic and some of the workouts I excel at, but girls never talk to me there.
>>33728819Are you a sexual person in general?
>>33728867Only in terms of jacking off. I have no flirtation ability because its basically Russian roulette how a girl will respond to it.
>>33728674what do you want? Some form of validation? Yeah, you could've fucked all the women, but you're too much of a sigma lone wolf type and that's why it never happened.
>>33728674>does that mean I'm generally unattractive to women?Yes, but only in the sense of "not actively attractive" rather than "ugly".Aside from a small proportion of damaged sluts, most women's attraction is more psychological than physical, so if you're a quiet introvert, you just go unnoticed by most women. Even when women do feel attraction, they're unlikely to make the first move, so you can imagine how rare it would be to get approached.Personality-wise, I don't know anything but what you've told me. But people seriously underestimate how easy it is for a guy to stay single just be being introverted and a bit awkward with emotions. It's virtually guaranteed if he doesn't take initiative. It doesn't mean you're an ogre or that you have an atrocious personality.
>>33728674>If I made it to 33 as a virgin does that mean I'm generally unattractive to women? No, it means you have some kind of issue and should seek therapy, and fast.Not accidentally stumbling into some pussy before 33 is basically impossible unless you sabotage yourself or actively avoid it. Find out the reason and fix it.
>>33730077Will that even help him in the long run? Assuming that he goes for two years. Hes then 35 year old virgin with actual experience.
>>33728684male hands
>>33728674it's probably just a lifestyle thing. i'm 28 and haven't held hands with a girl or had any sort of involvement with one whatsoever platonic or otherwise and i'm not even ugly and my personality is cool and i have tons of interests / things i'm good at. however i am a stupid dirty neet and i grew up homeschooled.something like this must also be true for you if we assume you're not ugly or psychopathic which you probably aren't.women are actually easy to get them to date you but in order to get a gf proactively you kinda have to be a faggot and hang around women and be friends with women which you probably don't do if you have a shred of self esteem hope this helps.
>>33728674women almost never cold approach men. So you can be a handsome guy but women will still not magically fall into your lap. They'll give you looks and hints but it's still up to you to make the move.The easier way to get laid is to be in a friend group with women in it. You're already somewhat vetted and it's easier for them to approach you in that situation.If you don't have friend groups with women in it, and you don't cold approach women or otherwise put yourself in situations with lots of women (like painting class or whatever) then yeah, you can be a handsome attractive guy and still be a virgin by 33.
>>33728674>If I made it to 33 as a virgin does that mean I'm generally unattractive to women? To be clear I never put in any effort as far as cold approaching and stuff like that, but I feel like if I had decent pussy getting potential something would have happenedhow much did you do non cold approaching
>>33728674>Hey, I've put zero effort into this thing. Is it my fault that I haven't achieved anything?What do you think, OP.
>>33728674So did you get your wizard powers or no?
>>33730774U also have to nofap
>>33730738Not OP, but I'm going to turn 34 in a few days and I only had friend groups with women in high school, and that went nowhere because I could never shake my reputation as a class clown (and unlike what girls say, they don't actually like "funny" guys). I stopped trying in college because I'd been rejected three times already. I think all I really missed out on was sex because I highly doubt I would have gotten anything meaningful emotionally-speaking out of girls in college, but I am still incredibly deprived of sex and affection from women.
>>33728684Gonna be honest with your broski, you need to vibe with women. Like you need to actually talk to them as a human being and build regular friendships with them. We have all seen the TV bullshit fantasy of the suave handsome man flirting with women, it's just a fantasy. It's not the approach for everyone, like go with that if it's your personality. Otherwise building rapport and then maybe asking them on date works well.
>>33730935>and I only had friend groups with women in high schoolIt's good you can befriend and relate to women. That being said I suspect your problem may be that you're too effeminate (or said otherwise, not masculine enough). You'll need an honest friend to give you feedback.
>>33731476Yeah, maybe. I actually had a girlfriend earlier this year but it was a sexless venture and I don't consider it a real relationship.
>>33729642>I have no flirtation ability because its basically Russian roulette how a girl will respond to it.This statement makes literally no sense.How would the uncertainty of a woman's reaction affect your ability to do it? One has nothing to do with the other.
>>33730935>(and unlike what girls say, they don't actually like "funny" guys).More incel nonsense from another guy who doesn't know what he's talking about.Women love a man that can make them laugh. They do not like "clowns", which you said you were yourself.One is the butt of the joke, and one is not. One can ONLY be funny (or "funny"), the other is well rounded like a real person.
>>33729685>But people seriously underestimate how easy it is for a guy to stay single just be being introverted and a bit awkward with emotions. It's virtually guaranteed if he doesn't take initiative. It doesn't mean you're an ogre or that you have an atrocious personality.That's what I was thinking. I might just be mid as fuck and flew under the radar all these years.>>33730077>No, it means you have some kind of issue and should seek therapy, and fast.I don't think its that serious. The biggest issue was that I was too content with being single to do anything about it. I made a conscious decision to leave my sex life up to fate, and fate gave me very little to work with. I'm not whining about how things played out because I chose this, but its weird having no idea if you're an incel or just mid, or maybe even handsome but unlucky.
>>33731623If it's a problem of being too effeminate, you can change this. Start working out, eating properly, getting enough sleep - I did this and my testosterone levels literally doubled. I also noticed that when my test levels increased, I naturally had more confidence and just overall felt good, which in turn made me act like a "man" around women.
>>33728819>people tend to generally like me>I make people laugh and have a good timePeople or men? Does this include women your age or not?
I'm kinda like you OP, same age even.Never tried putting effort in dating or putting myself out there. During high school I was a shut in and during college I just focused on studies and never joined groups or anything. Tbh, I saw myself as too weird and ugly thus never bothered even trying to get a girl. I had just accepted I'd be forever single and I was ok with it.In my first real job, after the pandemic, I had this girl constantly make conversation with me but I always kept her at arms length. I eventually relented and we connected more and more. We hung out a lot after she left that job but I realized I was too insecure, showed it, and thus fumbled it. Unlike you OP, fate found me and I was wholly unprepared for it. I'm now in a looksmax journey since I had no self-esteem due to my looks so I'm trying to work out, change my style, try to get a better career, etc. I don't think I'll as lucky as I was there again, but next time I'll hit the dating apps and go from there.
>>33728674Not necessarily. Did you have the opportunity to sleep or have relationships with women?For me personally, I had chances to sleep with women at least every couple years, but I was either oblivious until after the fact that the woman was interested or I just blew her off because I wasn't interested.You would have to be unbelievably repulsive like bottom 10% of attractive to be repulsive to every woman.
>>33728674Height? Canthal tilt? Recessed chin?
Same OP, it is what it is, don't read too much into it. Personally I am never in any place or situation where women are, so it makes sense that I would never interact with one often enough for them to see past my awkwardness. Nothing good ever came from me being attracted to pretty girls anyway, every old fag I know with no kids is happy and doesn't regret not having them. Every oldfag I know who is/was married regrets it and tells me never to get married. Swings and roundabouts my friend.
>>33733368None of those matter if you have social skills.
>>33728674>To be clear I never put in any effort as far as cold approaching and stuff like that, but I feel like if I had decent pussy getting potential something would have happened anywayYou're 33. You should know by now that nothing ever happens unless you do it.
possibly, i'm exactly like you but i've had women interested in me, i just fumbled it horribly or wasn't interested
#relatable OP, I am turning 36 this year and i've never felt more alone. All the foids within my dead-end job hate me, and I feel as though there's nothing left. Twich is hentai and all that, hope i can get a Woman when i make it to the motherland. Honestly, after my dad used to molest me, im not really into that straight shit. might become an oldfag and live out my life in the greentext hills. fuck my chud life, right? you all are better than the pathetic excuse of a worm that I am. I wake up every morning wishing I was dead. I look in the mirror with a form of dread I think sasuke couldn't even bear to witness. I feel like Guts, but if his life was worse. 4chanphil, signing off.
>>33728819>>33728674Holy fuck you are literally me as a 23 year old. But I have lost my virginity
>>33730935I'm 23 and in college still. I've also been rejected 3 times and now I'm too terrified to approach and make a move again. I feel like it's over
>>33729642>I have no flirtation ability because its basically Russian roulette how a girl will respond to it.Root of your problem right here.
