>>33733732
>Do I have a real shot at finding a cute 18yo girlfriend who loves me unconditionally?

18 year olds are at peak retardation and have yet to figure out what they want in life.
What you can realistically do is find an 18-20 year old to fuck for a while. Once you've gotten it out of your system you can move on to mid 20s to early 30s women who are still nice to look at but much less retarded and better in bed.

>unconditionally
No.

>>33733732
>If I take care of my body
>and mind
>and have a respectable career.
> loves me unconditionally?
Those seem like conditions to me.

You already know the answer.

>>33733732
Unconditionally love doesn't exist outside of parents and even then many don't have unconditional love

>>33733732
>loves me unconditionally
I won't read threads that ask for unconditional love - basically, something for nothing, the expectation of a perpetual infant.

>>33733821
>>33733942

I realize contradictions here but obviously there are conditions to any relationship. I don't believe in true unconditional relationship myself and it would be hypocrytical of me to demand it from someone else. But I thought it was obvious what I really meant is love that is not based on greed. Sugar daddy/baby type of shit but rather loving someone for who they are which does not mean one should stop taking care of themselves, abuse the other and do nothing to better the life of his/her family

>>33733732
>loves me unconditionally
You have to go younger for that

The fact of the matter is, we use the term "settling down" for a reason. Your mid to late twenties are when things begin their first big slowdown, and more paths in life will close than open. It's not a good or bad thing, it's just convenience based. I think of it like blackjack in a sense. Try not to go over the predetermined number and land on the biggest number you can find at the end and stick with it, because you eventually run out of "hit mes."

This is how relationships operate, but women have this buff of like "every beginner hit only lands between 1-3." They get away with a lot more experience and still hit big in the end, as they realize the worth of the last hit, getting an 8 or whatever in their mid-20s rather than the 3s and 4s they start with. Some fuck up and lose an 8, then as they age out try to settle for a 5 or 4, but only realize too late that those men at that age aren't willing to settle for someone with that many cards, if that makes sense.

My point being, you are past your prime and the odds are not good. I'm also in your shoes. I've gotten with a girl ten years younger and guess what. She left. She has more options, and life ahead of her. Of course she would leave. No girl is going to leave their future shit unexplored for any one man. Even if you were a millionaire or something, she has OPTIONS, and she will naturally explore that because they're still in that age of "what if," not "how good can I still do" like you and me.

You might be able to tap some young ass, but unconditonal love is a myth, and women in their early 20s are not in the disadvantage positioned to settle like someone in their 30s. I know people like to say mens value goes up and shit, and it might, but your options will continue to diminish as a conssequence of time.

Personally, I'm giving up any expectations of a solid, loving, comitted long term relationship in this culture. I would suggest the same. Have fun if you want, but lower your expectations. Dramatically.

>>33733732
Unless you're a mormon, the only 18 year old waifu you're going to meet will be:

>emotionally damaged
>daddy issues
>unhinged, unfaithful, BPD

She'll be an absolute mess and nothing but headaches. But she will fuck and suck like crazy. You just have to decide if it's worth all the trouble.

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>>33733732
God why is this every fucking post? Do people care about anything else?

>>33735219
people want to be happy, yes

>>33733732
Young girls are trash, they are mentally fucked

mid 20s are the best

>>33735334
Being happy is this? Just fucking raw meat? Dumb 18 yo pussy?

>>33735929
I've only been on few dates in my life and i still have one close female friend, all of them younger than me. And spending time with them gave me some of the happiest memories. I didn't have sex with any of them and it didn't matter to me. I was just content with their presence. That friend in particular has adventurous personality which I think every man finds alluring, I do.

Why 18yo? Probably has more to do with purity than anything else but that's just virgin me speaking. I hate the idea of being just another guy. If I could conjure all my fantasies into existance I would want for my first partner to also be virgin and be adventurous, daring type

I've been robbed of normal development years by the circumstances and whilst most people got it out of their system by the late teens, I never had the fucking chance. So I think fucking dumb 18yo fresh pussy would make me pretty happy, yes. But I guess that's just the case of arrested development or some other trauma bullshit I don't know name of

To those retards who are asking why 18 years old? that's the age anime sets up in dating so 17-18 is usually the standard.

Yes BELOW 18 is a standard for ASIA to those illiterate uneducated fucks out there. If you're American quit your fatass pedophilia logic. We don't have karens and LGBT woke crap here compared to your regions.

>>33736144
>pedophile means attraction to women under 18
Listen here dumbass American fuck:

pe·do·phile
a person who is sexually attracted to children
Pedophilic disorder is characterized by recurring, intense sexually arousing fantasies, urges, or behavior involving children (usually 13 years old or younger).

Age of Majority:
Japan: 16
Hong Kong: 16
Macau: 16
Philippines: 16
Singapore: 16
Thailand: 15
Timor-Leste: 15

TEENS are NOT children. Learn to count you faggot. Go fuck yourself. You filthy weeb learned nothing about anime in a 4chan site.

>>33734403
>You have to go younger for that
Treating girls like wild animals where you think going that route would be able to tame them til the end of life won't work out. Reason is below.

>>33733732
> Do I have a real shot at finding a cute 18yo girlfriend who loves me unconditionally?
Once they know themselves better in time they'll go change partners. As other people says here, it's really better to go 20+. Where they have goals and aspirations and if you're part of their life then you'll be loved unconditionally.

I know you wanted the youngest legal age as possible with looksmaxxing whatever country you're from but you're going to look like an unc to them and worse, their parents won't be pleased with the age gaps between you two even if she says yes with you.

There's 20+ years old who still looks like teen still out there. Female teens ends up you having to treat her like a needy brat who are arrogant and obnoxious. It's the opposite of what you wanted. They'll fuck up your life, sex life, financial life and many more.

Look we Americans had that in place so that kids can focus on high school not fuck their life over with an abusive white trash alcoholic deadbeat in a trailer home instead of going college and supporting herself. Teens need a chance of getting the American dream. I'm not saying it can't work as during the civil war teenagers were parents, but if someone is not old enough to drive or work a job they should not be old enough to take care of a child. My God children should know what X and Y is on a graph not how to do a killshot on a pistol. It's fucked up too to be like that as well.

>if
>if
>if
op id doesnt matter what you have or make.
everybody got chances in life. you need to have faith and believe at least in yourself and work toward the goal. thats simply it,
who searches, shall find.
didnt read the rest blogpost

>>33733732
Yes but you need to be at the same place firstmost, with a good enough reason to be there to begin with. Start college again in a women-dominated degree, e.g. graphic design, dentistry, biology, journalism. Have genuine interest and show the expected maturity towards these fields (e.g. being proactive in extracurricular stuff).

Languages too but mind most women are scared of difficult stuff.

>>33733732
A respectable career has nothing do with nothing. We'll start there. No one cares about your career or how much money you have. You could be a billionaire and still get rejected by a homeless girl. Step two is your confidence level. No one likes you because you don't like yourself. You don't have confidence in yourself so why should a girl? Stop looking at yourself like that. Look at yourself the way you want girls to look at you and they'll follow suit if you can make it believable enough.

Step 3, the younger you aim, the more money you're gonna have to spend. The career doesn't matter, money matters. You don't even need a career. That's how simple the average girl is unfortunately, it's just the truth. If you want an 18-year-old be prepared to spend as if you're taking care of an 18-year-old child because you are. I had one once. All she wanted was money. Buy me a Vape!! Buy me weed!! Buy me clothes!! Take me out to eat!! Buy me a new phone!! Give me this! Give me that!! The older you go, the less it's gonna be like raising a child and the more it'll be like actually being with someone on your level that you actually deserve.

I look at all girls under the age of 24 as like "soft prostitutes". You aren't gonna be with one without spending some kind of money, even if it's just smoking with her or taking her to Wendy's or something. Their young so they don't have anything. Don't have a place, don't have a car, in some cases still gotta answer to their parents. You don't want that bro. You'll realize how much of a hassle it is then it'll hit you why everyone doesn't date younger girls. Because it's like raising a kid that isn't yours and that isn't grateful for shit you do and their 18 so they think everything's owed to them which makes it worse. I was just with a 19-year-old an it got so bad to the point I had to dump HER. So I know first hand. Don't waste your time. Worst relationship I ever been in, by far.

>>33733732
Saying you want an 18-year-old is like saying you wanna be a sugar daddy.

>>33733732
>Going into my 30s and 40s.
>I'm in my mid 20s
Make your mind up about how old you are.

As for your question: if you are in your 30s or 40s it is easy to find an 18 year old girl who will fall in love with you, but it is 100% guaranteed that she will have Borderline Personality Disorder. Your chances of finding one who does not have BPD are zero.

>>33736135
Do people in asia really see girl in her late teens with guy in his mid 30s and go 'yup, that's a normal thursday'? How do parents react? I have 2 real life example from my family and friends where guys were mid/late 20s dating fresh and it working out great. But I'm from conservative EU country where people don't seem to infantalize 18yos that much. Even teachers in HS start calling you Mr/Ms
>>33736993
As I said i'm in mid 20s but im curious about the future since I don't see my attraction to younger or just 'pure' girls changing anytime soon.

Few anons made this point but I just don't get it why finding someone normal is not possible just because you are in your 30s? It's bold to assume 100% chance for something happening. Going just by example from my surroundings, guy in his mid/late 20s dated girl in her late teens for years, they dated for years and then married and now have a kid. No disfunctions. Meanwhile another family with non existant age gap seems to be raising a child in all the wrong ways

That first example is not 10+ years age gap but it's still sizable enough to be considered 2 different generations

>>33736164
The age of majority is 16 in America too you midwit retard

>>33734495
You're ugly and probably a manlet

>>33736965
Also ugly and probably a manlet
Women only care about if they attracted to a man and if they are they don't care about his age. If a woman cares about your age it's just a codeword for you being unattractive to her and she is actively finding reasons to discount your ass as an option or to justify why you should sponsor her for the remainder of your life. Attracted women are delusional about the man they are with while weirdos have to barter about about sub 10 year age gaps as if it's a holy cow lmfao. Age gaps decreased in the West not because women are "attracted to men their age" but because they are not willing to give a chump they don't respect more than they absolutely have to, it is a sign of the nations were that happens to have been absolutely besieged by feminism. Weak cucks believe these narratives to rationalize that their woman is truly attracted to them while she has no issues to sleep with Chad notably older (it was different, we really clicked, he just happened to have a good face and was 6ft3 with full hair)

Men peaking in their 30s is the truth in the sense that those never having had any bargaining power now suddenly get some because women realize Chad isn't calling them back anymore but it's not enough where they can suddenly date younger, it is merely enough to be begrudgingly accepted by women who previously wouldn't have done so. Male leverage is artificially flatlined in the entire West, working on yourself doesn't yield you shit there but run through roasties who secretly resent you for being the manifested signal you're being the best they can do. It does only if you go to 2nd and 3rd world countries, there it is true and even low tier men can date 10+ years younger without effort.

Unless you're Chad or some criminal you will never bag an attractive woman in her prime at any age in the West because the system is designed for you not to do that

The end.

>>33737058
>I just don't get it why finding someone normal is not possible just because you are in your 30s?
Whether you "get it" or not is irrelevant. It's a fact, irrespective of whether or not you get it.

>>33735929
Anon, I'm a femanon. Let's marry and have kids. I don't know what you look like but just not going for 18 yolds makes you a keeper. Love you!

>>33736135
Yeah sure idiot, anime is not the whole Asia you testicle

>>33737613
That's quite a black pill you got there anon. The idea of self improvement not yielding any results just doesn't make sense. There are countless stories on PUA forums where people fixed their life and apperance and they started noticing a big difference. Do you believe these stories are all fabrications? Current society might not be helping but dwelling on it is worst thing you can do. Maybe for you improvement had no effect, maybe you just didnt spend enough time on it as it often is something that takes years.

Besides there is another perspective on age gaps which has to do with proximity. People are stuck in their bubbles and they will date in it in most cases. Just look at hollywood or countless examples of teachers dating their students.

>>33737688
>blah blah blah doomposting blah blah blah just trust me bro blah blah blah
If you truly belive that something is going to happen in 100% of cases then you are a retard. You can't even work out an anecdotical evidence as other anons have, just talking out of your ass with your surface level truths

>>33736283
Zach you have a chad mindset

>>33737058
>Do people in asia really see girl in her late teens with guy in his mid 30s and go 'yup, that's a normal thursday'?
Yes. It's mostly because guys in mid 30s here looks way younger than a western person (looking like 20s) and beards are mostly not preferable here. They classify you as terrorist in most cases with the unc rapist vibe if you have tattoos and beards.

Female teens on the other hand are trying to look like an adult so you can't really go full SJW on someone without fully knowing their age to complain about age gaps or put your moral and ethics on someone else.

If you look at Jackie Chan in his 30s and 20s you'll see little difference as a reference example.

>How do parents react? I have 2 real life example from my family and friends where guys were mid/late 20s dating fresh and it working out great.
As long as you have enough wealth to keep their daughter alive and happy that's all they need to know and will let you have her especially when you have decent qualities that sets their daughter for life. Basically like adopting their daughter.

My parents have a huge age gap like 10 years. My dad knew my mom before 18 through family relatives of relatives (different line of family) but went all out the moment she turned 18 and married her after dating.

>>33738109
>You can't even work out an anecdotical evidence
I'm an older man who is interested in younger women. When you've met thirty or forty different women, ALL of whom turn out to have been diagnosed with BPD, the pattern becomes unmistakable.

>>33733802
This.

40 yo here and I dated quite a few 20 yos. They are idiots and you can steal some peaches from the orchard, but most aren’t ripe. The sex is fun and their bodies are something you don’t have to pretend to enjoy, but 27 - 30 is peak years

>>33739670
How are you able to rizz them up with 20 years age gap? 10 years is already insane. 20 years is just.. not acceptable in any society but you seemed to pull it off?

What about their parents? Are they aware of it?

>>33738109
> self improvement not yielding results doesn't make sense.
Because society being structured against it with leftism and feminism, developed countries are full of cucked loser men who will together with women work against you. You leveled up? Power gap is le bad, age gap is icky, dont date your employee or co-worker lower than you on the org chart. You need to be good enough to the point that nobody would doubt you being the perfect choice, so you can overcompensate the social pressure enacted on the woman by others. Women think that men 1-8/10 should be happy providing a betterment for the lifestyle once they hit the wall. Most men out of lack of abundance will accept almost any rotten deal given to them, women expect basically any guy up to outlier chad to do it too.
> fabrications?
Getting laid with a tourist girl after dozens of attempts is different than having a relationship with a woman of your own ethnic group who isnt ashamed to have you meet her parents.
> Maybe for you improvement had no effect, maybe you just didnt spend enough time on it as it often is something that takes years.
There are ways around it such as only focusing on the short term, targeting migrant women, geomaxing or going for subcultures.
> Current society might not be helping but dwelling on it is worst thing you can do.
I am just saying being a high tier normie like myself is not good enough in the West anymore. It just isnt unless you want to accept being the clean up guy. And that has of cause implications for age gaps, women don't want to give men shit they don't have to. They can level up might be able to get a better package of the total man then too, why settle with the neighbour from next door at 20 then. That is why I left my homecountry for other places. Abroad I have zero issues dating a decade younger, none. Probably could get more even. Without any money, gifts beyond the usual, only stuff you simply do like paying in a restaurant occasionally, that stuff.

>>33740024
Man if you think a 35 yo with a 25 is insane you are completely cucked. And exactly the weakling I described here >>33740025. You are probably ugly as fuck or otherwise severely flawed to come up with those statements

Also 20 years age gap is acceptable in many societies. Africa, SEA, Middle East, Eastern Europe in some countries. Women will never green light age gaps, even women who do date or marry older men still will often say they dont recommend it to safe face in front of feminists. There is no country in the world where women willingly declare to love age gaps, they know there is an underlying negotiation situation they risk when they give older men power and it is in their best interest to limit the funnel of what men can socially acceptably get as much as possible. It depends heavily on context though, if you are in a circle of rich people women argue against 20+, if you are middle class againt 10+ and if you are a woke loser who doesnt even deverve an opinion they come at you with shit like "anything above 3 years is basically rape". They still dont mind fucking a chad way older like 15 years older or will try to bag a high status guy. All of this shit is meant for men they dont respect and think are worthy only of little return since they settle for them.

Especially given how little modern women contribute age gap should be the norm, not the exception

Men are
> expected to date down in looks
> not allowed to have any authority but still get the responsibility
> still pay all the bills, she will only contribute useless lifestyle spending
> are supposed to do their historic duties (while women dont cook, barely clean anymore)

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>>33733732
>If I take care of my body and mind and have a respectable career.
>Do I have a real shot at finding a cute 18yo girlfriend who loves me unconditionally?
you just do not have enough experience with women. If you haven't learned yet- women do not consider those as prerequisite to relationships. Why do you think some pretty girl would just as easily find some bum brokie Tyrone from a club, who hasn't showered- drive home in her Mercedes with her and end up sleeping with him at her posh apartment? None of that shit matters- except maybe physical fitness. But even at that is dubious as well. You need to learn how to talk to women and when you finally have talked to enough- then learn how to DEAL with them. It takes being a strong, and unwavering, courageous man. Tyrone gives off that image because of his upbringing- he does not care what anyone else thinks- even pretty women. He also has some self-control; he cannot afford delicious fatty food, so his physique is slim and emaciated- he doesn't eat more than he has to. It all has to do with learning what makes women attracted to you.
>still recovering from more bumpy road I've been through
>when I brainwash myself into thinking that it's all going nowhere
seems like you have some childhood trauma you need to address before continuing in your adult life. You have low self-esteem and self-sabotaging issues. It's really quite pathetic actually. Be a strong, courageous man. Compare yourself to others- but don't beat yourself up over it. Use it as motivation to succeed.
>if there is light at the end of the tunnel
we can't tell you that- that's up to you. Dream of a great life for yourself and do everything in your strength to get there. That is how to live- so every day you are given, you make the most of it. Don't languish in despair over the past, because you will not live in the present moment. Tough guys don't cry when wounded- they cherish when they fail; so they learn and never repeat.

>>33740183
Disagree, many Tyrones are fat actually. They just happen to be fat and tall.

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>>33733802
>Once you've gotten it out of your system
and ruined a young soul?
>steal some peaches from the orchard, but most aren’t ripe
>>33739670
More meatshopping tourists. You're exactly the kind of people that create more epstein islands if you're ever wealthy; the main thing suppressing the many evils you'd likely commit is the shitty life you're currently experiencing. And thank God for that.

Repent by doing as much good as you can for your loved ones and community while meditating on the illogic of your primary source of satisfaction being stimulating your hotdog nerve cluster while expelling your less than desirable DNA strands.

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>>33740183
I actually believe upbringing matters more than looks and status which you brought up. But since you can't choose your spawn point I feel like things like looks, are few things I do have power over and if they don't directly help me with relationships to the extend I would like to, they do and will change the mindset for the better, though nobody can deny that looks make it easier to get foot through the door

One thing I learned though is to be hopeful no matter what and I don't agree that you should burry the past. Doing so is what cultivates trauma, you have to give yourself space to mourn.

What pisses me off the most is not how unlucky I got but how devastating that shit was to my psyche and development and how it takes years upon years to get over it. There is just no easy solution, no lifechanging 10min youtube video. And then there are normies crying about having to work 9-5 makes them depressed, while achieving all milestones in a normal time frame not realizing how blessed they were with the upbringing. Fucking pisses me off when I see people at my uni speedrunning effortlessly through multiple relationships and they still have energy to pursue other things. Where the fuck does it come from and when is my turn, haven't I been through fucking enough, havent i already worked enough on myself? And it's not like I can't make friends, that was never my issue so if that's not holding me back then what is?

Been thinking that maybe it's my tendency to turn everything into a joke, talking very little about myself and underselling myself constantly but it also could be 1000 other things, seems like when I fix one issue another pops out

>>33740183
>Why do you think some pretty girl would just as easily find some bum brokie Tyrone from a club, who hasn't showered- drive home in her Mercedes with her and end up sleeping with him at her posh apartment? None of that shit matters- except maybe physical fitness. But even at that is dubious as well. You need to learn how to talk to women and when you finally have talked to enough- then learn how to DEAL with them. It takes being a strong, and unwavering, courageous man. Tyrone gives off that image because of his upbringing- he does not care what anyone else thinks- even pretty women.

A decent girl from a good background is not fucking Tyrone, sorry. Why would anyone *want* a mudshark?

>>33733732
There is no such thing as unconditional love.
Evaluate why you desire this imaginary thing, then change your desires.

>>33733732
>underneath a layer or fat there is better than aeverage physique which i worked hard to achieve.
lmao
anyway

>i've been a loser all my life but will things get better for me once i transition from being a young loser to being an old loser?
no, no they will not
the 40 year old guys who can still attract young women are the ones who had an easy time attracted them when they were also young
if you couldn't get an 18 year old gf when you were 18 then you have even less chance of getting one when you're 40
this is putting aside how creepy it is that you specifically want a girl half your age

stop spending so much time on the internet
you're a fat loser with no drive or self control and IF you can get a gf of any age then you should consider yourself lucky

relationships with large age gaps are for very attractive and/or successful men
if you are neither one then you can't pull it off
simple as

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>>33740259
>many Tyrones are fat actually
nice cope there. The meme Tyrone and Chad exist for a reason.
>>33740483
>A decent girl from a good background is not fucking Tyrone
yeah keep telling yourself that, bitchnigga. Just learn how to talk to women, it will give you the results you want. But nah, you'd rather be a crybaby and do nothing.

>>33740579
>nice cope there. The meme Tyrone and Chad exist for a reason.
It is not cope, I actually go out and witness things. Tyrones run on being intimidating, hybristophilia. Meanwhile Chads run on competing in traditional dominance hierarchies.

>>33740569
>relationships with large age gaps are for very attractive and/or successful men
This is also false, large age gaps depend on the man being uncucked more than anything else. There are tons of attractive or rich men who cannot pull younger women simply because they are afraid how shit might look bad on them. Meanwhile, there are also the Boogies, ChrisChans and even Destiny

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>>33740621
>Chads run on being intimidating, hybristophilia. Meanwhile Tyrones run on competing in traditional dominance hierarchies.
See how that works too? Don't be deluded. Instead of ignoring reality, adapt to it. If you suck at getting women and you keep seeing Tyrone succeed at it, how about take advantage of your autismo mindset and study the reasons why. Even you understand that the Scientific Method can be used to study social interaction. I've had beautiful blondes show me the lurid things her other blonde girlfriends send to them via Snap- its all true. So don't be crying, instead be improvemaxxing. If being pessimistic didn't help you before, choosing to stay that way surely won't benefit you at all.

>>33740579
>Just learn how to talk to women
Where to start tho??

>>33740569
why do i have a feeling you are in no position to give anyone any kind of advice