How do i get into making stuff instead of just consuming it? I mean sorta everything in general. Instead of just following DIY instructions make my own original stuff, instead of posting moe anime girls somebody else drew get into drawing myself, instead of using little shell utilities written by somebody else do them myself etc.I always used to make up stories doodle something or think about things that if they were made into reality would be pretty cool but now i stopped doing those things but i have so much free time right now that it would be a waste not to do something like i described.But when i try any of the things i listed now it just wont compute. I start writing some script and a little later 'i don't need it anymore.' Or when i work on some DIY electronics it might go well at first but i just sorta can't go further with my energy. When i try to draw something now i don't even know what to so literately nothing happens.So in the end im sorta online all the time but not even that is interesting. I know how to do some cool things but i never pull through if that makes sense. But like, i want to.Does anyone here know how to counter this and go back 10 years to back when i actively did things? I could start using the internet less but there just isn't that spark anymore that gives me ideas so i dunno.I really wanna do stuff again but no matter how good the conditions are (they are unbearable often) i just can't seem to thing of something interesting again.
It's pretty easy, you just have to be creative. But you probably don't need to be told how to be creative, right?
>>33737521Give us a list, in order of importance, of things you'd like to make.By the way, home made (proper) meals should be on your list. It's an easy, straightforward, and foundational skill.
>>33737521>there isn't that spark anymoreBingo. The creative spark is gone, forever. You won't be able to bring it back ever again. You're born with it, but when it's gone it's gone.
>>33737544I dunno. Seemed like something i just sorta was but not anymore. I wouldn't mind somebody telling me how to get on the right track. Seems like its not so simple after all.>>33737547Everything is sorta on a similar level but basic self-preservation like food and a place to stay are on top. The rest is just pursuing those old hobbies again. For now its finishing my electronics project, expanding my radio equipment via DIY'ing some antennae, finishing my little program and doodling something in between. And while there are some issues preventing or making the first couple of hobby things harder there is nothing in the way of the doodling part. I used to do it and when i was little a lot but now i still have that need for it but there is no idea no nothing and i feel like the same issue plagues the rest too albeit to a lesser degree due to the nature of said work.And there is no real 'order of importance'. There some things i need to do and the rest is just in the 'i don't like' or 'i like' group. >>33737576It can't be cut and dry like that come on. Some people just do a lot sometimes and do very little some time later right? I just need some push in the first part and everything is a-ok.
>>33737576>Bingo. The creative spark is gone, forever. You won't be able to bring it back ever again. You're born with it, but when it's gone it's goneLargely bullshit, anon. Yes, there is an inborn component, but no, it is still there, like buried treasure.>t. Other commenter.
>>33737547>when I was littleAlso, reading the rest of the discussion, might I ask your age and situation? Other concerns might overshadow your passion for your hobbies.
>>33737780Im 20 and after getting my supposedly amazing degree im still looking for employment. It doesn't look like I'll get kicked out any time soon as i am going to a clinic to get some help but so far it didn't change that much. But still even when i was younger and getting that degree i had the same issue albeit a little less. Yeah advancing on the job front is important but even if i were spending 2/3 of the day doing just that there is still all that time i don't know what to do with.And its not like its all for nothing. I had multiple people, including a guy from the employment office, tell me that a lot of the stuff i do (but motivationally struggle with) are things that realistically help with the sort of employment im aiming for. But even that is slowly succumbing to what i described. I planned on being a sysadmin and i liked my short internship but i dunno now. Still weird how the things i should like and can do are not really more enjoyable than most other things.
and with 'little' i mean the period before the mid teens. And with 'younger' i mean everything between that and a couple of years back.
>>33737521>How do i get into making stuff instead of just consuming it? I mean sorta everything in general.Perhaps be consumed in making stuff.It may be possible to derive drive in creation.>Does anyone here know how to counter this and go back 10 years to back when i actively did things?It is possible that the division from that (You) of that point in time and the (You) now exist because you deemed it be.>...but there just isn't that spark anymore that gives me ideas so i dunno.>I really wanna do stuff again but no matter how good the conditions are (they are unbearable often) i just can't seem to thing of something interesting again.Maybe the illusion of the 'requirement' for an external sources is the very thing which is preventing — 'no matter how good the conditions are' may extend to the most ideal of situations to add ponder.
>>33737620>>33737625It's an automatic biological process just like puberty is. For most of our history, we lived to like 20 years of age. Our bodies kept this framework despite the last century or so where we artificially brought life expectancy up. Your body is not made to be creative after a certain age.>b-b-but there are plenty of grown men who are creative just look at all the music, art, movies, video games, etc.Wrong. When you get older it just gets easier for you to combine existing things you're good at since you have a bigger mental bag to dig from. You won't have creative flashes at that point.
>>33737999>For most of our history, we lived to like 20 years of age.That's not true. If you look up life expectancy of stone age people *at birth* you get something like 20-35, mainly due to a high rate of childhood mortaility due to infectious disease.Those that survived childhood typically lived to what we would call "middle age," and a significant number into their 70s. Those numbers were similar in classical times as well. So you're wrong in claiming that "it's over" for everyone at 20 (OP's age) because of evolutionary pseudo-reasoning.>>b-b-but there are plenty of grown men who are creative just look at all the music, art, movies, video games, etc.>Wrong. When you get older it just gets easier for you to combine existing things you're good at since you have a bigger mental bag to dig from. You won't have creative flashes at that point.Who says? What source do you have for that claim?OP, getting back to your issue: I can't say why you are stuck as you described. However, I had the creative idea (amazingly, I'm some multiple of your age) that you might google search for "jobs that require [hobby] and sysadmin skills" for each creative interest - basically, brainstorming by harnessing the AI there to suggest more specific types of jobs. I found the results interesting when I tried it with "shell utilities" and "DIY electronics." Such an approach might greatly reduce the entry-level competition. That at least might motivate you to resume the hobby that produces the most promising search results.
>>33740414>How to get ideas and motivationOh, OP, I forgot that you mentioned "get ideas" and not just motivation. You can easily get ideas if you're capable, which you seem to be. What works for me is juxtaposing unrelated ideas/things/situations. Also, analysing the creative ideas of others, asking yourself why the idea "works." Indeed, that's how I found that they usually are simply a juxtaposition. Look at the work of HR Giger to see this principle in abundance. For this to happen it does help to have a large stock of knowledge of many subjects.I suppose the previous commenter might say I'm just drawing from my grab bag, but the insights I get are not already in the grab bag; they are new.
>>33737521Just make something shit, then make it less shit.
Start with pen and paper, no matter what you're doing. Just jot down your thoughts, draw a little diagram or example if it seems relevant.Don't have delusions of grandeur over being a master hacker/inventor or anything, just value yourself and do things you weren't able to do yesterday. Start trying and failing at things. Don't go so far into self reliance that you refuse to learn from tutorials or anything.Talk about this issue so much that you start to feel incompetent and embarrassed such that you either start creating or give up.>t. someone who doesn't make anything
