>>33739763
I feel like were missing a tonne of the story. And ive seen similar situations personally where the dudes all "I dont know what happened" but in reality they were fighting the chick at every fucking step trying to control them and force them to stay exactly the way they want them to, which you cant really do to humans.

>>33739778
Wrong. You can't be soft and let retards act like retards. There's a thing called tough love you know. Seems like most of the woke ass world has forgotten that though and then you end up with dumb shit like the OP.

>>33739775
How am I generalizing? She turned from an actual person with thoughts and feelings into alt girl #50'000'001 from using social media.

>>33739778
I didn't try to control her at all. I know you can't change a person. I really underestimated how strongly social media could reshape a person. I don't recognize anything about her any more.

>didnt marry
>didnt fill her womb repeatedly
>didnt beat her when misbehaving/or corrected/shaming wrong behaviour
>didnt give lessons or instruct her that social media is an mind virus egregore of the highest caliber
the list ist endless faggot
it is your fault

>>33740541
>didn't marry
True
>didn't fill her womb
Unfortunately did do this
>didn't beat her
I waited too long. Only did this after she cheated
>Didn't teach her about social media
I honestly did tell her it was retarded and that it was making her retarded but I could have done more

Lessons learned

>>33739763
>>33740548
Yeah but did you get her pregnant and have kids with her?
This happens no matter what environment they're in. In my case, it was cheating on then leaving me for a guy at her job. I only put the pieces together (staying extra hours, not wanting to be affectionate when she came home from work, showering and primping before work but never showering for me before sex). In the end I blame myself for not just either knocking her up or being strong enough to ditch her. On the flip side, I can't tell you how many times childless working wives have tried to use me to cheat, but I have a soul.
Knock them up and keep them in the home. The whole "desperate housewife" shit is tv fantasy, I WFH for several years in a suburb with a couple of hot moms and I never saw strange men or anything out of pocket. Women want to be mothers, even the ones that say they don't.

>>33740578
We have a kid. She stayed home for the first year. She descended into being a tiktok alt whore afterwards.

She was obviously too young and her personality was not fixed. Like when you buy a mongrel puppy and expect a chihuahua size but it turnes out HUGE.
I wouldn't advice beating anybody.
Do not create en enemy where you sleep.

>>33740583
You let her send your kid to daycare or use sitters? A one year old baby is not an independent, where the fuck was she and what the fuck were you doing?

Also not to spam the thread but
>Is the modern world designed to turn every woman into a mindless whore?
Yes, by design. The perfect eternal consoomer for techno-pharisee corporate cronyists.
>Is every relationship fated to end this way?
No, but you need to step up and find someone ok with the trad marriage lifestyle, which means you yourself as a man have to be very trad.

>>33740596
I've basically been a single dad.

>>33740592
I'm only going to go for women around my age (30ish) now.

>>33740592
>She was obviously too young and her personality was not fixed.
Women don't grow up, they grow sarcastic and crusty.

>>33740583
Goddamn. Imagine being a mom and being a tiktok alt art hoe. I hate women so much. I’m fucking sorry man

>>33740541
Where do you even find girls who will take a beating and not instantly leave you/go crazy about it? When is the beating window? Months into the relationship?

>>33740600
>I've basically been a single dad.
Sorry but sounds like you set weak boundaries and just didn't have a heavy enough hand. Common mistake, a lot of guys make it because they buy into the incel bullshit of "well I was her first so she'll never forget or disobey me she's pair bonded!" Brother, they forget about you the microsecond the tip of a new cock slides into their pussy. Women are just evil like that, which is why you need to keep that shit on lock. And no that doesn't mean physical violence, that's also for weak men.

>>33740607
>Women are just evil like that, which is why you need to keep that shit on lock
What do you need to do to keep it on lock? And does this work with long distance

>>33740608
>And does this work with long distance
IDK yes and no. That relationship I mentioned where she cheated with a coworker started long distance. It really made her want me because I was still "wild," going out with friends to clubs, doing my own thing, so of course it put dread into her even though I was loyal. It was only when the distance ended and we moved in together that cracks started to show, and then we bought a house using her parents' money for down payment I became domesticated and looking back her interest just dropped fast after that. So yeah it's cliched but stay busy, stay "wild," and restrict your woman's freedom and access to other suitors.

>>33739763
you could have kept her in a farraday cage and jammed the phone and wifi signals

>>33739778
>try to control her
>she changes for the worse and cheats on you
>don't try to control her
>she changes for the worse and cheats on you
I'm not even saying you're wrong that being controlling is pointless. But it's a lose-lose either way. Not being controlling doesn't actually change the outcome.

>>33740677
What do you even do at this point if the outcome is always the same?

>>33740717
Just accept it. Date. Be aware it will probably end poorly. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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>>33740717
I'm not the best at "manipulating" because I'm autistic but I've read a few social books. How To Win Friends and Influence People kind of talks about this. You need to be controlling without letting them realise you're controlling. Basically, you implant the idea of what you want them to do in their head, but you make it seem like it's their idea and they have to be the ones to convince themselves they want to do it rather than you. The key is to make them think about what you want them to do and have their brain convince themselves that it's the best course of action without them thinking for a second that you're the one that implanted that idea.

For example, in OP's case, he could implant the idea that the women on tik tok are cringe and awful in his GF's head. And she somehow has to convince herself that it's her idea that they're cringe and she wants to be nothing like them. I think women are intrinsically driven by trying to fit in way more than men are, so making them seem like miserable weirdos could do the trick, but of course you can't just say that outright, she has to come to that conclusion herself.

That's just in theory though, but in reality, it's really fucking hard to do that. It's why being a successful salesman is such a high paid job. Convincing people to do something they don't already want to do is very hard.

At the end of the day though, this anon is right >>33740722 . Almost every relationship fails and no one wants to make concessions to keep a relationship going anymore. If she sets her mind on something, you can't make her change it.

>>33740729
Interesting. It sounds like you have to be very, very subtle to plant something like that in someone’s mind. So subtle that I don’t even know how you really could

>>33739763
Can you detail your sex life around the time everything started failing? And also how was the sex life after it started failing?

>>33739763
Parent control her iphone and ban all social media
>>33739775
Retard
>>33739778
Retard
>>33739783
This
>>33740541
Also this

>>33739763
Question, how was the sex life? Were you dominant at all? Also how did it develop throughout the relationship?

>>33739763
And did you change over the years for the better or worse?

>>33740608
Dude don't listen to these incels.
You cant control people. You picked a shit woman and this was inevitable. A "heavy hand" would have brought it out faster. These losers are larping as woman whisperers

>>33739763
>What could I have even done differently?
You could have got with someone who wasn't a virgin. When are people around here going to learn that virgins cheat? A woman who has been with several guys, knows exactly what men have to offer, and thinks that you have more to offer than anyone else has - that's a woman who will stay loyal to you. A woman who has never fucked anyone but you will be constantly curious about what being with another man might be like - and eventually she'll find out.

>>33741108
Controlling women is exactly what we should be doing

>>33741130
Virgins CAN cheat, doesn't mean they will and doesn't mean that they aren't preferable, you roastie toast
Problem is ultimately with men that want to have their cake and eat it - get the "trad virgin" wife without being trad themselves and making sure God is in the home, the woman is stay-at-home-mom with multiple children, etc.
The whole "more experienced" thing is a roastie cope for the state of modern women - not all non-virgin women are disgusting, but the more people a woman has had sex with the higher a chance she has of committing a "dealbreaker" in the eyes of a decent person (getting a train run on them, having done porn, fucking black men, etc)

>>33741169
Have you been in a relationship? Do you know how that pans out?

>>33741185
I mean universally as a society, all men should start controlling and beating women

>>33739763
I don't believe this ever happened. If it did, you're outing yourself as a boring loser that can't fuck. KWAB.

>>33741184
>Virgins CAN cheat, doesn't mean they will
Yeah, it means exactly that, for the reasons I've already explained: a woman who has never experienced any man except you will ALWAYS, in the back of her mind, be wondering what it might be like. A woman who already knows what it's like won't be tempted to stray out of simple curiosity or sexual FOMO.

And I'm a guy, btw.

>>33741328
NTA but there’s just no winning with women nowadays. A virgin will wonder what other guys are like and since soiciety enables them to have no self control, will cheat. A whore will know from past experiences there are better men out there (richer, taller, bigger dicks) and will get bored and still cheat.

>>33741250
Do you base this on anything other than your own bitterness because no one wants to fuck you? Because thats your fault. Not women's.

>>33740541
you will never see a vagina irl

>>33739763
>deftones
Based

>>33741130
Statistically this is inaccurate. Virgins are the least likely to cheat

>>33741363
Probably he’s basing it on tens of thousands of years of human history.

>>33741363
No, I’m basing it on the thousands of shared male experiences. Not hard to find the common denominator, but I hope this simping gets you a crumb of pussy.

>>33741356
>A whore will know from past experiences there are better men out there (richer, taller, bigger dicks) and will get bored and still cheat
Only if other men actually *are* better than you. If they're not, she will know that for sure, and be completely loyal to you. But a virgin can't know if you're better than other men or not, and even if you are, she will eventually be so curious she'll decide to find out.

>>33741427
>Statistically this is inaccurate. Virgins are the least likely to cheat
Source, please.

what was her age?
anyone younger than 25 is going to be very social media pilled just by osmosis and thus will be likely to go the "i need to find myself" route you hear all the time.
my belief for guys that are only attracted to 18-22 year old girls, you need to expand your palate.

>>33741486
>women
>loyal
LUHMAO
But seriously, you’re overestimating yourself. How hard do you think it is to find a guy richer than you, taller, better in bed out of tens of millions? Not that hard. If she knows she has better options but they won’t stick around you’re just the beta she’s settling for. She will never genuinely love you or be attracted to you.

>>33739763
>What could I have even done differently?
Marry and children before she even had the chance to think about the possibility of cheating, so years ago. Even if she cheats with 100 tyrones afterwards, she'll always by your wife and mother of your children first, and a cheating whore second, and boy lemme tell you all women are cheating whores if given the chance.
Right now she's just a regular normal ass chick, nothing special. Had a relationship, slept around, tried her options, etc. She's 80% of all women today. You missed your mark with her obviously

>>33741328
>And I'm a guy, btw
It shows

>>33739763
maybe it's just about looks lmao. i'm mid, was in the same situation, except never started going out (to this day i've never been to a club) and never cheated or been interested in destroying my relationship.

i think the only moment i was "tested" was when i got a very intense crush on another man a few years ago, but i never did anything about it/acted on it and i just let it slowly pass.

>>33741521
(laugh) I remember being your age! As you get older you may possibly realise that what women want isn't quite as simple as what incel memes would have you believe. Women value a whole bunch of things that have nothing to do with sex or money or looks. They want someone who makes them laugh; someone who makes them feel supported; something who complements them (not compliments!); and someone who makes them feel safe and secure.

I've been where you are: I was a full-blown khhv incel until close to my 24th birthday, and I believed everything you believe. Gradually figuring out that I was wrong about everything is what allowed me to escape from inceldom.

>>33741815
>what women want isn't quite as simple as what incel memes would have you believe. Women value a whole bunch of things that have nothing to do with sex or money or looks. They want someone who makes them laugh; someone who makes them feel supported; something who complements them (not compliments!); and someone who makes them feel safe and secure.
Sure. After they’ve been ran through and are in a hurry to secure a beta cuck who will be their emotional tampon and personal clown.

>>33742076
>has a niche to fill in dating market if they just change their personality and do basic stuff like working out and doing hygiene and having a job
>rejects it and is bitter they aren't slinging dyk left and right like Chad
You just want to be single at this point.

>didnt marry
You expected a wife without putting in any work. She was with you because she's had nothing better to do.
>Where do you even find girls who will take a beating and not instantly leave you/go crazy about it? When is the beating window? Months into the relationship?
When she's born and beaten into submission by her father.

>>33742209
This, I don't get why all these side hoes are salty about being single moms

>>33741637
>i think the only moment i was "tested" was when i got a very intense crush on another man a few years ago, but i never did anything about it/acted on it and i just let it slowly pass.
If this is ragebait it worked on me

>>33742209
I have my goal as finding a virgin loyal wife to marry. That's what I want. I abbreviate that to the more socially acceptable sentence of "I want a gf". You take that as me wanting a ran through whore, which I have 0 interest in. You give me advice on how to get a ran through whore because you think my end goal is just to get a gf, any gf will do, when that is not the case. And now you're gloating that you've given good advice and somehow it's on me for not listening in applying it.

Nigger, that's like giving a starving man saying "I want to eat" a stack of hay and telling him to be grateful. It's technically edible, but when the underlying desire is "I don't want to be hungry", it doesn't solve the actual problem. You've imagined a problem the other anon has and you're giving him advice on how to fix it when that's not his situation at all.

>>33742209
No, I just don’t wanna be some hoe’s last option. I wanna be her first

>>33742404
>people never have crushes in years-long relationships without acting on them
Back to /lgbt/ you go.

>>33742549
Whores do, maybe all women really, I can't see into your minds. But that is not normal and there is something seriously wrong with you for it. Are you people really incapable of true love and staying loyal? You have to fucking force yourself to do it, because your brain just automatically runs out of love chemicals and you start lusting after other men for no fucking reason?

Still anon, if you're ragebaiting, I commend you. Very well crafted.

>>33742595
6/10 bait, you almost got me, honner.

>>33742619
It's genuinely not normal to have crushes on other people while already in a relationship. I feel horrible for your partner. Be a better person or seek help.

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>be ops gf
>get tired of consuming content at home and having only a few friends and a boring boyfriend
>begin trying to get new friends
>begin trying to dress the cool way, to listen to cool music and using the cool apps where everyone's at
>begin actually meeting people and socializing outside the boyfriend + old friends circle
>when boyfriend finds out he goes to 4chud and calls you a mindless whore and blames you for everything
yall need some perspective

>>33739763
Sounds familiar.
How old was she when you met her?

>What could I have even done differently?
It depends.

>Is the modern world designed to turn every woman into a mindless whore?
No. Although, sex and violence sells and always has.

>Is every relationship fated to end this way?
No? Why would it? That's a silly thing to think.

>>33739784
>She turned from an actual person with thoughts and feelings into alt girl #50'000'001 from using social media.
Nope. Assuming it's a true story, she was a fully functional individual at the start and end of the story. Something happened in the middle. It rhymes with "strange" and it happens to everyone.

This issue is understanding it and adapting instead of denying it.

>>33740548
>Lessons learned
Retarded lessons.
That's like taking your phone with as you swim and "learning" that the phone carrier is unreliable.

>>33740583
>She descended into being a tiktok alt whore afterwards.
Perhaps there was something eventful that happened in her life the previous couple years? Maybe if you try you'll think of something.

>>33739763
>What could I have even done differently?
marriage + children + giving her somethign to do, restricting her social environment, women are basically kids. If you don't tell them what to do social engineers will
>Is the modern world designed to turn every woman into a mindless whore?
yes it's an intentional de-population thing fertility rates didn't fall accidentally
>Is every relationship fated to end this way?
no you are just a pussy

>>33742956
>it's an intentional de-population thing fertility rates didn't fall accidentally
dajoos made this guy a virgin, everyone
point and laugh

>>33742595
>But that is not normal and there is something seriously wrong with you for it. Are you people really incapable of true love and staying loyal? You have to fucking force yourself to do it, because your brain just automatically runs out of love chemicals and you start lusting after other men for no fucking reason?
How long was your longest relationship?

It took me about 10 years before I developed a crush on a coworker. I didn't even realize that's what it was. I just noticed that talking to her made me happy. When I put it together I laughed my ass off at myself and cooled down on the chats.

>>33741637
>i never did anything about it/acted on it and i just let it slowly pass
And yeah, this what you do in that situation.

>>33742883
>It's genuinely not normal to have crushes on other people while already in a relationship.
Based on what?
It's a relationship, not a gelding.

It's like craving dessert when you're on a diet. You ignore the desire and it fades.
It's not something to clutch your pearls over and condemn others for thought crimes over.
Sweet fuck. It's like you have no desires and a tween's perception of reality and romance.

>>33739778
This, women are like teenagers. The more you restrict, the more they'll go "well fuck you, you're not my dad" mode. I've learned to just let my bitch do whatever she wants within reason, and I've already confirmed that I will 100% leave her if I catch her fucking around. You gotta keep women on a leash sometimes. Plus it's less stress on my sanity, a woman is gonna woman so its not worth my energy and peace to regulate her like a child in class. She's an adult and she, hopefully, knows the consequences of acting stupid, be it in a relationship or not.

>>33742991
You can cope all you want namefag (r*ddit's down the hall and to the left btw), but if you truly loved your partner you wouldn't be thinking of anyone else. The fact that you think is normal is pathetic.

>>33743012
No. Seriously. How long was your longest relationship?
Because your mindset seems like that of someone who has never gotten past the infatuation honeymoon phase, if they've dated at all.
It's very "There are no cats in America and the streets are paved with cheese!"

And on what are you basing what "normal" is?

>>33742915
Yeah but she did cheat and if op is to believed then they had a kid

>>33739763
she sounds cool, zoomerettes love the deftones

>>33740606
>Where do
eastern bloc women, mostly. they are more tough than western women. also as some1 else said itt dont create an enemy where you sleep. beatings should only be the last resort if everything else failed, but then you also could just leave.
depends on the woman, the situation etc
tough love

>>33740729
>>33740717
>>33740677
>>33739778
if you actually tried to control her and mold her she wouldn't end up whoring and cheating

>>33739778
Foid sausage fingers typed this post

>>33748139
>instant whining
Obese tranner-incel moment

>>33748454
>instant
he waited a week to post that